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#301 - For Azeroth!: “Pruned Perks” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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Because I'm also an old person who played the game when it was
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better and we had to walk uphill to the raid and from the raid.
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I get it, Manny, I get it. We want these kids off our
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lawns. Victory for the Forsaken, for
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Lauderon, for the Karen Tour, for Pandaria, for Calendar to
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the Burning Region, for Gilnaeus but has not died, for the Lich
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King, for the Sindori, for the Alliance, for the Horde, for
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Azeroth. Hello and welcome to for
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Azeroth. I am one of the triumphant
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Manny, AKA the true villain Manny.
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And joining me with a very awesome Nintendo mug is Sean.
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Sean, how was the World of Warcraft being treating you and
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where in the world did you get that mug from?
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Well, let's do this in order, I guess we'll do it in order of
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importance. I had the mug at the Barry Game
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Exchange in Barry, Ontario. They're they have a Barry Game
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Exchange twice a year usually and it's like a giant convention
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where people come and sell retro video games and it's amazing.
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My friends run it. They've been running it for many
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years now, and I had gone up to visit once while doing the
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Cartridge Club podcast that we did, and I bought this mug
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there. And did you see that Nintendo
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was announced? When the successor of the Switch
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comes out, it will be fully backwards compatible.
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Oh, I had not heard that. Like, it's such a strange world
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because we used to expect backwards compatibility as soon
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as PlayStation Two did it, and then they stopped.
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And now I feel like even my computer's having issues with
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backwards compatibility just because I don't have a disk
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drive in there anymore. I don't want to play like Mass
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Effect. And I'm like, oh, I don't want
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to install a disk. Transitory thing in the past
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thing in the past, but World of Warcraft has been treating me
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well. I've been really, really
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enjoying my time in Azeroth. I for me the War within season 1
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has been a non-stop throw ride from start to finish so far.
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I helped the Guild in EU that I play with get AOTC last week.
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I've been playing resto druid slash guardian druid over there
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and I am just about finished gearing up my death knight to
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help out our raid team for overnights re clears so that our
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current frost death knight who is playing blood just for that
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fight has the option to go back to his preferred spec and I've
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been having a great time. OK, so Overnex is still a thorn
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in the side of many guilds. Oh 100% yeah.
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Yeah. So we're on Silk and Court now.
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We've advanced to Silk and Court, which is a wild
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preparation. It was like 20 slides just for
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P1, but our raid lead is above and beyond, so very helpful for
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the team. We're getting good prog on that.
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Probably not a kill this week, maybe next week, but Overnax is
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still the major wall at five of eight.
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They're at the for being the fifth boss in the raid.
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We're running out of time to see nerfs to that boss.
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The only solution is to like completely gut the fight.
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It's just really, really tough for a lot of teams.
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Requires a super high level of coordination and planning and
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like it is mandatory. It's not even a question of oh
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it's just harder. It is mandatory to use external
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WE gora packs and add-ons to to direct the flow of the fight.
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Otherwise it's not doable within Blizzard's base UI.
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They I really wish they would stop designing fights like that.
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So many of the all the other fights around the raid are
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better. None of the other fights really
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feel like they have that same hurdle as Overnaxes.
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They're tough, but they're they're fair and you can, you
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can do them within, within Blizzard's UI, base UI, if you
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had to. Overnax is not that.
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And it's, it's extremely punishing on so many guilds.
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It yeah, it's, it's a rough fight.
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It's something needs to be done, but I don't know what.
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OK, on the Mythic Plus side, you said that you've been enjoying
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everything. Lot of people have been having
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issues with Mythic Plus. Just again, people are just
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saying that like this season is just a heartbreaker for a lot of
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the Mythic Plus community. We've talked about it on this
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show. Are you still loving Mythic
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Plus? Do you still hear those sort of
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complaints from friends of yours?
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I am still very much enjoying Mythic Plus.
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Yeah, we haven't timed to 12 yet.
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We're close. We only push for twelves 2
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evenings a week for three hours a night and every night up until
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this week has been we had elevens.
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We had to get a 12 to time it this week.
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We do have twelves to start the week, which is nice.
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So we're going to hopefully time on this week.
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We've we've learned a lot. We've made a lot of adjustments
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and it's a group of people who haven't pushed keys beyond
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whatever the cap is for fault stuff.
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We're still having a blast. I am still hearing that people
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are struggling and I I fear that it's lack of reparation.
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Maybe my death knight that I started.
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I started my death knight. Gearing is so easy for all.
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So I started my death knight. I got my 4.
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You can get 4 crafted pieces at 419 from the reps You can get
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another 419 crafted piece from killing answer echo on story
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mode. And then I just farmed fours.
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I ran plus fours until I was fully geared at 619.
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I obviously we were timing them every time you run one fours are
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extremely easy to time. Every time you run one you you
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get an upgrade to your gear if it's your alt.
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And then immediately once I was at 619, I went to 10s and
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started running 10s. But I know the dungeons I have
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taken the time to watch fights to I played them on the beta.
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Obviously I'm playing them myself.
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But prior to that I took the time to look up the fights, look
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up the mechanics, check guides, check videos.
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Rhetorio is a great series of snapshots where they're giving
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tricks for dungeons. And a lot of the people that are
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making the complaints that it's too hard and be like BOD is
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another example. Oh, it's too hard.
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And I've asked them like, well, what have you done to prepare?
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Oh, nothing. I did nothing.
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I didn't look at anything from BOD.
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I just want to go in and walk through it.
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I understand that that's what you want, but we're in a game
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where you always have to do a little bit of homework or expect
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to prog it. And I think people are getting
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in dungeons expecting them to be as easy as they were in Season 4
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because that's their most recent memory of dungeons.
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They're not that easy. They've taken the time to learn
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what mobs in here are dangerous. What spells do I have to stop?
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They're just going in and expecting it to fall over
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because they oak gear it. But in this season, you don't
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oak gear it like you used to. So they're hitting this wall of,
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you know, skill meets preparation.
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And for a lot of people, that's frustrating.
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Well, I got to ask you then. Earlier we were doing a testing
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we were going through and trying those dungeons.
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We talked about like how stops versus actual interrupts and
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various, various things, the affixes, especially with the
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lower keys having the bargains. Do you find that those trip
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people up more or do you find that it's like the dungeons
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themselves that are causing the issue?
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Like where do you think people who used to be able to walk in
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and not really do that research, which in my mind is typically
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closer, closer to entry level, mid key level, where they expect
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that they'll be able to just simply overpower the dungeon.
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Versus people who are pushing beyond the reward threshold
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where they know that they need to know all these tricks in
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order to really push. So the people who aren't
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pushing, the people who felt that they in seasons past, they
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were simply able to overwhelm the dungeon, what's causing them
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the issues? It's, I believe it's the
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dungeons themselves. The it's been my experience
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almost since day one that the Zalitath bargains can almost be
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completely ignored. They're so easily handled.
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The the orbs, almost almost a single person in every group can
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handle those orbs every time they spawn.
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So there's never any. Like I can't remember the last
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time an orb got off, the one where you soak the balls that
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come in. Again, people are just naturally
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doing it. There's no, I'm not experiencing
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people not doing the affixes. The the only one that I see
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sometimes that I do pug a lot of keys sometimes group struggle
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with is the one where you have to heal off or dispel.
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I think it's devour because people are expecting the healer
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is going to take care of it and not all the healers are able to
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as easy as some. And so that's the only one that
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I see like that can sometimes cause issue or a boss will heal.
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We saw a miss Weaver or miss caller and and misses Turner
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scythe go from her, you know, sub 4% for a kill back up to I
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think it was 12% one pole. It was like, Oh, that's that
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sucks. But I think it's a dungeon
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themselves. And it's because, like we said,
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like AOE stops are good. If you're coordinating, Hey,
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you're going to AOE stop. Now you're going to AOE stop.
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Now you're going to knock up to to to delay casts or catch
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groups of casts. But if you're in a pug
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situation, you're not able to really do that.
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A lot of people aren't super comfortable with their tool kit
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to do that anyway. They're just trying to get
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through their rotation. And, and the other side is they
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don't know what casts are dangerous.
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You know, I'm still, I will still go into stone vault and
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the first Boston Stone Vault has a as a mechanic for the tank.
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He puts a dot on the tank that when it gets dispelled, gives
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the tank, I think it's 25% Dr. for six seconds, and I'm still
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going in and having healers dispel that immediately as soon
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as it goes on me. And that is designed to be your
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savior from the tank Buster. That happens 20 seconds later.
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So you're supposed to leave that dot on the tank and then you see
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the arrows come out because when the arrows come out to shoot the
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beams, the tank Buster happens right after those beams are
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shot. So when the arrows come out by
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the third arrow, you can dispel the tank and have it safely
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still be on, but they're instant dispelling it.
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And then their tanks are getting one shot and people are saying,
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oh, stone vault is too hard. The first boss of Stoneville,
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and we heard this at the start of the season.
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I'm still hearing it now. Oh, the first boss of stone
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vault is too hard. It destroys tanks.
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Tanks are getting wrecked. And it's it's it's just open the
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budget journal and read it, you know, and just OK, this mechanic
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does this. Oh, and this mechanic is does
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this, but people they don't we don't open.
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I say we folks won't open the dungeon journal and they won't
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go and watch a guide to see what to do.
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And so tanks are getting wrecked, those healers are
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getting frustrated. Dang, it's too hard.
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And then they're not learning the rest of the dungeon beyond
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that point. But now they're not knowing.
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On scramarack, I can pick up the 1st 5 orbs as a healer for an
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extra 225% healing done because they do no benefit to the DPS
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until the shield is up. So that's just extra healing I'm
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throwing away. But they're not learning this.
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So they're saying the dungeons are too hard because they're not
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learning it. And it's like right in that 4 +
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4 to plus 8 range is when that's happening.
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And then obviously a + 8 is when you get Gilded Crest.
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So people aren't really able to get it.
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They're struggling, so their gear is going up slower because
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they're not getting those crests.
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Yeah, and I mean, I called it the squish did this because
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there's no natural, it's not a gradual progression.
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It's not, oh, this is a little bit harder.
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It's bigger jumps every level. And it's, I mean, I can sit here
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and say do homework or watch a video, read a guide.
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But ultimately it is a video game that people want to be able
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to log in and pick up and play like they do with Fortnite.
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And unfortunately, the way Wow is built right now, you can't do
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that if you want to enjoy Mythic Plus above a certain level.
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Yeah. I mean that level just came in
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close faster because of the squish, just like you're saying
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that it that incremental increase is not as incremental
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as it used to be. And we have actually seen the
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meta for those higher keys continuing to shift.
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You had said about a month ago, hey, let's leave it for a month,
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see where it's settled. I think we actually have to
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leave it for a little bit longer, especially with all the
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changes that came in with 11.0 point 5.
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We've seen a lot of things where it was the the season of the
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sword and board, the the warrior.
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They are now sharing that sword and board with the other sword
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and board. Paladin tanks are now becoming
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big in there. Shamans, who are still
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incredibly overrepresented, are actually starting to give some
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way now to discipline priests, and I think that's specifically
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because of the nerf to poison cleansing totem.
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And that means that it's pretty much in line with Mass to spell
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now. So hey, that, that kind of
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parody has given discipline priests a bit of time.
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Discipline priests being a little bit of predicting,
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predicting damage means that they kind of fit in that same
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niche of here's a little extra help to make you survive it.
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This one treats me like, Hey, I see that damage is coming.
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I know those damage patterns. I'll help you survive it in that
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way. And I, I love this.
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I love that it's shifting. We will cover this in more in a
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future episode because I did, we did say a month we would let
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pass. And I think it's still going.
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But it is very interesting what's happening with with the
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meta right now in Mythic Plus and anything that you want to
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say quickly in passing or shall we dive into the episode proper?
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We could dive into the, I mean it, that'll happen when you make
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a tank do more damage than DPS. But yeah, that'll that'll cause
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the meta to shift. But yeah, we can jump right into
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the episode. We could talk about that down
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the road. OK, so our first official story,
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because I feel like we've been talking a lot of nitty gritty
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wow here, but our first official story is a sort of announcement.
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This is Warcraft 2 Remastered, which just yesterday, at the
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time of recording, we had a a data miner, sorry, a data miner
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who found art assets that pointed to Warcraft 3
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Remastered, not reforged. I think they're kind of done
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with the stigma of that name, but Warcraft 2 Remastered being
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found and then Blizzard put out the internal alpha on the
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central distribution network. So now it's all but confirmed
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that we are getting this this redone version of a classic.
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Did you play Warcraft 2 back in the day?
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Oh yeah, it was my first. It was my gateway drug to the
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Warcraft universe. Yeah, yeah, me.
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Me too. I I played too.
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And before the what was it? Dark Tides?
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Tides of Darkness. I think it was Tides of
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Darkness, yeah. There you go.
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Before that came out I went and tried Warcraft 1.
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Did not like in the graphic said being like did not age well.
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And then of course, Warcraft 3 and I was I was off to the races
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for me. If you want to play Warcraft
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two, I'm not sure how much these graphics will hold up, but they
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are the game is available on good old games.
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I think you can get the the Battle.net chest with like all
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of those those classics for super cheap.
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But we are getting this HD redone 1.
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So you can, you can play that pretty quickly and enjoy that as
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well. I'm looking forward to this.
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I I'm hoping that they handle it better than they did Reforged.
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Yeah, my only ask is that they update the game engine.
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The StarCraft 2 game engine is so nice.
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The controls used in that are so nice.
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I don't know why that was thrown aside when they did Warcraft
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reforge. It should have been used because
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it's good. I think it's just because they
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they handed it out to a third party to work on.
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Yeah, so hopefully they do that. And then special bonus stretch
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wish is my is that it's free that they come out and say, hey,
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thanks for being, you know, loyal fans of Blizzard, here is
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this free game for everyone. And then, yeah, that's not going
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to happen. OK.
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But even if that doesn't happen, I do not want to be playing like
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a full game Cost for this. Make it 15 bucks or something
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like that and I'll be happy. Don't charge me 40-50 bucks.
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If it's 50 bucks, then they're not selling any of this.
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If it's 15, I can, I can see a couple of people be like, yeah,
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I'll pick that up. Yeah, I would pay 1/6 of a
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Brutus or for it. That's true.
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The money has been sort of devalued these days.
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Everything is everything is converted to Brutus or cause
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now. OK, all right.
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But you know what? Money isn't devalued to us.
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And this week we have a very special patron.
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Sean, can you handle this? Yeah, amid the tranquil peaks of
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Kunlai Summit, Michael, a wandering Pandaran monk, moved
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like water through the mist, his form a seamless blend of
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serenity and power. Neither bound to alliance nor
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hoard, he watched as strangers clashed on his homeland sacred
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soil, their battles ripping through the peace he'd known.
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With each sunrise, Michael stood as a silent guardian, a reminder
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to all who passed. The true strength lay not in
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conflict, but in harmony with the world and oneself.
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Michael, thank you so much for joining us as a patron for
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Azeroth. For Azeroth will always be free,
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but if you enjoy the content we produce and you would like to
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have your own story read, please consider pledging to our Patreon
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at patreon.com/faz. And if you're going to jump into
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the Discord first at Bit dot LY slash fast Discord and let me
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know what you play. I have to make so many of these
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up. Definitely, if you let us know,
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we will customize it following your class slash race or
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whatever you'd like to do. Yeah.
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Moving forward, another big reveal that happened just after
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we were releasing our big 300th episode was 11.0 point 7 getting
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spoiled. They put out a video and then
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that Thursday we get the PTR and I've been on the PTR, I've been
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going through the new content and guys, I think this is this
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is very reminiscent of the forbidden Reach is what I'm
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going to point to. It is much smaller than the
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forbidden reach. This is actually the same size
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as Mechagon. If you remember that island
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roughly, it's actually a little bit smaller, but I'm going to
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say roughly same size as Mechagon.
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It's got a lot of verticality where you are going up some
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narrow trails. You are using rocket boots to
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jump across some chasms. And why are you using rocket
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boots? Well, that's because there is no
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flying enabled on the island, at least at first, because there
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has been some additional data mining that says maybe after a
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couple of hoops that we need to jump through, we will be able to
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fly. Now for those of you wondering
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like, well, I've already jumped through hoops like I did that
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Pathfinder so I could fly. What's going on here?
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There's some storm activity around the island, you know, the
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usual Mac guffin and means that we can't use our flying at
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first. I do believe that this is
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actually a necessary thing, like the fact that the island itself
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and I I need to make this comparison.
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Mechagon fits inside Dornagal, the city.
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If you could fly from one end to the next using our current 800
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something because no longer 908 something 800 something speed,
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you would blink and start getting fatigue.
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Like this island is jam packed with little things that you're
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supposed to notice and secrets and little events and all these
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sort of things. So you want to actually stay low
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to the ground. You want to not fly past it all
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as a blur and miss, miss what's going on.
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It is an island that's fazed in into different parts so I think
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that flying would just break it and I'm actually confused that
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they are allowing flying later on.
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I guess. Have you had a chance to go on
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to the the PTR? You been like diving into live
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so much that you just haven't had a chance to go over.
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That's right. Yeah.
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I I really only PTR if there's raid testing or dungeons to
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test. There's neither of those in this
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case, so I will wait for it to be launched and follow whatever
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guide is written by the big brains at whatever website I
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happen to land on that day. Or maybe I'll just ask Manny
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what to do. Well, I mean, there is reason to
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go to this island even if you're not doing your dungeons.
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There is a new ring, and this ring is again, I'm looking at
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the Forbidden Reach. If you remember, the Forbidden
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Reach had those Onyx amulets which had the the base item plus
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3 sockets that you could put in these unique gems.
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But these gems weren't stats, they would have different
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different effects. This ring is Searcy's circle,
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sorry Searcy's circlet, and it works much the same.
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There are three categories of gems.
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Those 3 categories 1 is defensive, 1 is like boosting up
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your stats so it doesn't completely rob you of stats, and
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one is an active ability. This is obviously an improvement
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over the amulet because if you recall back in in Dragonflight,
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it started too weak, nobody wanted it, they boosted the crap
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out of it, and then it was way too strong and they had to nerf
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it once the new tier began. The fact that this has stats
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means that it's way more likely to fit into roughly where they
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are aiming aiming for this, and it is something that will go in
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to the next tier, though they haven't said how far what.
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What do you think about this ring?
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Well Manny the piece of equipment I'll farm because I'm
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required to, and then I will SIM whatever combination of gems is
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best for my character and then I will wear it.
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Would you want it to SIM that you would never have to wear it?
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Or would you want it to SIM so that you know it's best in slot
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for a long time? What would be your preference?
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I would prefer if this ring was of no value to anybody who was
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wearing Max dope mythic track rings that are currently
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available, because then I don't have to farm it and I don't have
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to wear it. But that's a bit of a selfish
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answer, because there are going to be mythic teams that need the
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power boost from this ring to help them overcome bosses
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they're unable to overcome, though it's not fair of me to
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try to rob them of this nudge. I mean it would become a chore,
25:59
but like it would be if you were to go along those lines, would
26:03
it? Would it not be better to say
26:06
instead of this ring I wish that they would buff BlackRock so
26:12
that that gear could allow people to then push through on
26:17
mythic difficult difficulty with like power boost that would come
26:22
from come from that raid and that might be easier.
26:25
No, I actually, I, I feel like BlackRock is probably in a good
26:31
spot where it's at. Heroic could maybe be tuned down
26:33
a little, but I feel like BlackRock is in a good spot.
26:36
It's nice that it's teams don't have to, to say, hey, we have to
26:39
farm heroic BlackRock and heroic and herbal Palace.
26:44
I, I, I'm trying to like to be cognizant.
26:46
I saw a really good post that talked about this on Twitter.
26:51
They're trying to be cognizant. Like there are teams, AOTC teams
26:54
that are like pushing to get AOTC and this ring will help
26:57
them get there. And I'm glad it exists for that
26:59
reason. And there are.
27:02
Under that rationale, there must also be CE teams that typically
27:06
get Cutting Edge Raid at the end of the season, for whom this
27:10
ring will act as an extra hour bump along with the nerve bar
27:14
finery buff to help get them over the hump.
27:18
So for that reason, I'm glad it exists.
27:19
And in all honesty, the Onyx amulet, other than losing a
27:22
bunch of haste, it was two days spent in that tower opening
27:27
doors, and then I never went back to Forbidden Reach and my
27:30
ring was maxed out. As long as this is a similar
27:34
level of requirement from my part, then it's just another
27:38
piece to go get. So, yeah, I don't know.
27:42
I don't want to have to. It's got stats, so maybe it
27:44
won't be so bad. That was my biggest issue with
27:46
the honest. And, you know, it was like, I'd
27:47
lost a ton of haste and I was playing, what was I playing that
27:52
season? Rob Paladin.
27:54
Rob Paladin is like haste. Anyway, yeah, I am glad that
28:00
they're adding ways for it to help teams over that hump that
28:04
need it in less obtrusive ways. It's not just a raid nerf, you
28:09
know what I mean? It's it's like, hey, here's this
28:11
ring you can get if you want it to help you get over this hump
28:14
because there are teams that still do.
28:15
We, it's funny, we talk about the season and some people are
28:19
like, oh, this like you watch now, you go on YouTube, there's
28:21
a dozen videos talking about how the season's over all the
28:23
seasons over now, the seasons over now, but we're only at the
28:26
midpoint of the season, you know, and there are lots of
28:28
teams that don't get their AOTC or their CE.
28:31
And there's probably normal teams as well that don't get
28:33
them until the last week, right? And they need whatever help,
28:40
whatever bump they can get from it to get that.
28:43
And this is helping those teams out.
28:44
So yeah, I say we should just be happy.
28:47
Yeah, I agree. New gear sources are great going
28:50
with what you said in organic way, rather than having that new
28:55
Neruba refinery, which feels like kind of like a crudgel,
28:58
which ever since they had the nerf that was in ICC where it's
29:05
like, yeah, we're just going to overtime give a more and more
29:11
offensive buff to you or other ones where it would nerf the the
29:16
raid themselves. It it felt kind of like, oh, I,
29:20
I couldn't quite do it before we needed that nerve.
29:23
And so it doesn't feel quite as bad when you get the additional
29:29
items and gear that help you push a bit further.
29:33
So I like that as well for the people who like lore this the
29:39
first little bit of the playthrough has a lot of lore
29:42
that is pointing towards some things coming later down.
29:46
I'm not sure if it is strictly for 11.1 or if it is stuff
29:52
further into the War within Saga, but I love that there is
29:57
that lore, that intrigue. I'm not going to talk about any
29:59
of it right now because you know, spoilers, but I I am
30:05
liking the Siren Isle thus far, but there's even more coming
30:10
along with that because we are going getting more lore that
30:15
covers the fate of the Kirantor and I love this little teaser.
30:20
It's actually just become active on the PTR.
30:23
I haven't tested it myself, but it is of course, you know, the
30:27
fate of the the Kiran tour, them dealing with some of the
30:30
mistakes that they've made in the past.
30:32
I like that. And then trying to figure out
30:35
what their future is and where that future lies.
30:39
So super excited to dive in and test through this.
30:46
Laura, Laura interests you a little bit on this.
30:49
I I know this has been the 1st, the first expansion where you've
30:53
really taken your time with the questing.
30:57
Are you now more into the Lord? Is this something that interests
30:59
you? Yeah, I'm excited.
31:00
I'm looking forward to the story and it's coming out at a time
31:03
when I'm not going to be like super pressed for time.
31:07
I'm actually trying a new thought experiment.
31:10
I don't normally like requesting, but because I've
31:13
started playing on EU again this season, I have to go through all
31:16
of the zones again. And I had already done the main
31:18
campaign when leveling up my character.
31:20
And now I, I decided last week I'm going to actually go back
31:24
through the side quests of every zone on EU because I'm a person
31:30
who will rewatch movies I've seen High Fidelity probably 30
31:34
times. I have, you know, I used to
31:36
watch Avatar every single night at bedtime when I was sailing
31:40
and watch like fall asleep watching Avatar.
31:44
So and I, I enjoy re watches of movies and I enjoyed the story.
31:48
I'm curious if I will enjoy it as much as second time.
31:53
That's exciting. But yeah, I'm, I'm looking
31:55
forward to finding out what happened to Dalaran and the
31:58
Kiran tours or not. What happened to the Kiran tour
32:00
after Dalaran? I think that'll be good because
32:02
the Kiran tours was such a staple of Warcraft forever.
32:05
So and they're kind of good at dealing with with disaster.
32:10
So let's see if that that carried on.
32:14
For sure. There is also of course the
32:18
turbulent time ways that are going to be returning.
32:21
So if you like doing the time walking dungeons, we're going to
32:28
once again get 5 weeks straight of time walking dungeons.
32:32
Every time you do 4 dungeons in a week, you will get a buff.
32:39
Actually I think it's 5 dungeons that you need to complete the
32:42
buff and it'll give you a buff that'll get you mastery if you
32:47
get that buff. 4 out of the five weeks.
32:49
You don't have to do all 5. Four out of the five weeks you
32:53
get the achievement, which this time is rewarding the timely
32:58
Busby mount so looks good should be it should be fun.
33:05
I think it's a really great way in combination with the buff
33:12
that we're getting for the anniversary.
33:14
If you want to level up an alt, this is a quick way to push
33:18
through, so I suggest that you keep your eyes open for when
33:22
that starts when 11 point O .7 comes around.
33:26
I've got to ask you though, because let me let me set the
33:31
table here because we have one last point with 11 point O .7.
33:35
They were going to do a bit of changes with professions, which
33:42
also included a profession respec feature.
33:47
Unfortunately, it's still being worked on and will not be ready
33:49
in time for the release of 11 point O .7.
33:53
They said that they'll have more information about that feature
33:57
in a future content update and due to the respec being delayed,
34:04
a lot of the changes that they were doing with professions that
34:07
dealt with multi craft and resourcefulness are going to be
34:11
reverted and left alone for now. So they're cutting features
34:18
because they need to get this out in time.
34:20
Which definitely sounds like it's coming sooner on the PTR.
34:24
If you are doing some of these dailies and stuff on the Siren
34:30
Isles, you are also getting bronze for the anniversary
34:36
event. That anniversary event ends
34:39
January 6th. When do you think 11 point O .7
34:45
is is going to hit? Probably first week of December
34:51
would be my guess. I haven't looked at a calendar,
34:55
but whatever that first Tuesday is in December will be my guess.
34:58
That would be the third. Yeah.
35:01
Is that 8 weeks? When, when did I?
35:03
I basically want to say 8 weeks from 11 point O .5.
35:08
Yeah, I, I think, I think it's a pretty good guess.
35:11
I would not want them to release this much later into the month
35:15
just before they take their Christmas break, just because I
35:20
think that would be a lot to to like put out and then hope that
35:26
it's stable. And because 11 point O .5 has
35:29
sort of shaken my confidence a little bit.
35:31
You know, get it out a little bit earlier.
35:33
Give yourself some time to fix the rough edges.
35:36
Yeah, I want to say though, there's two scenarios that I
35:40
prefer. Scenario one, my main
35:43
preference, delay these patches until everything you're planning
35:47
to release in the patch works. But option 2 that I will take
35:52
but things from the patch so that you can release it
35:56
functional with the things that it launches with.
36:00
If they're not able to get this profession respec feature
36:05
implemented and launch it with everything else, Siren Isle and
36:09
all of the stuff that's coming with it, cutting it is the
36:12
right. If the if like if the patch
36:14
kinks is locked in, then yeah, cut stuff from these patches and
36:18
shift them down the line. That's the only way.
36:22
Please. I I really wish there was like
36:25
some sort of Labor law that restricted how many hours you
36:28
could require people to work so that they would be able to
36:32
physically say this can't be done in this meant that crunch
36:35
should be illegal. But this can't be done in this
36:38
meant in this in this work time. I'm a really big fan of
36:41
determining your resources before determining the scope of
36:44
your project. Yeah, so they're cutting,
36:50
cutting this. I want a respect option in
36:53
professions because if you make a mistake, you're basically
36:56
poached. So yeah, but I think cutting is
36:59
the right call. I'm of two minds.
37:03
I'm hoping that this respect thing, however it comes out,
37:07
kind of works. Like remember back in the day,
37:12
Wrath of the Lich King, you wanted to change your spec?
37:15
You have to like, pay gold. Progressively more expensive
37:18
every time. Exactly, that's how I want it so
37:22
that people aren't being like, oh, Tuesday I'm going to like
37:25
make all my my crafting materials and then I'm going to
37:28
re spec and then use all that crafting materials with like my
37:31
now maxed out weapon and stuff. And then I'm going to re spec
37:35
back and I'm like, no, no, that's got to that's got to be
37:37
prohibitively expensive. And I think because if they
37:42
limit the amount of times that you can do it, there's always
37:45
immediately going to be the complaint of, oh, I didn't mean
37:48
to do that, Blizzard, please. Like why, Why am I locked out
37:52
now? And now I'm stuck with the
37:53
mistake that I just made. So.
37:55
I would like to see. So I'm I'm with you on
37:58
progressively more expensive because I'm also an old person
38:02
who played the game when it was better and we had to walk uphill
38:05
to the raid and from the raid, I get it Manny, I get it.
38:09
We want these kids off our lawns.
38:11
So I'm OK with it getting progressively more expensive,
38:14
but there should be a built in reset mechanic that every 30
38:19
days or whatever, X, every X days without a reset, it drops
38:24
down a level. So I'm going to use numbers that
38:26
don't, that will only make sense to boomers like Manny and I who
38:29
played them rather than Lich King.
38:30
But our first reset costs 100 gold and our second reset costs
38:34
1000 gold. After X days, it drops back
38:37
that, you know, I'm at 1000. After X days, it drops back down
38:40
to 100. I would be OK with that.
38:42
I think that's OK. I I 100% agree and we're not
38:49
boomers. We're like we're as young as
38:53
Lex's dad. Why are we?
38:54
Why are we burning ourselves? She's not even here.
38:57
Manny, Manny, man, we're closer to Archie Bunker than we are to
39:01
Dua Lipa or whatever their name is.
39:04
All right, That's that's we're we're old, Sir.
39:09
OK, I didn't do the math on that, so I don't know if that's
39:11
actually true, but I feel like probably, I feel like it
39:15
probably is. And there's like, no, like
39:18
Archie Bunker was an old TV show and Dua Lipa, I'm pretty sure is
39:21
a singer. Yeah.
39:21
Anyway. No, no, it's not even that that
39:25
I have to look them up to find out what their age is.
39:26
I have to look them up to know who the hell.
39:28
They are that would. Be great.
39:32
Yeah. OK.
39:35
So the last thing that is coming with 11 point O .7 is a big
39:41
racial rework. Sean, can you tell us a little
39:44
bit about what's going on here? Yeah, Blizzard decided that they
39:49
weren't happy that some races are over represented because of
39:54
the strength of their racials and the solution that they've
39:59
come up with. And this is funny because the
40:02
solution they've come up with is a solution anytime there's an
40:05
outlier in DPS or healing or tanking.
40:10
Everybody across the board in the community says don't nerf
40:14
class X buff the rest of them, you know, and there's a few
40:20
level ahead of people are like, doesn't really make sense.
40:22
You have one outlier and you can just bring that one down.
40:26
I don't know why you think trying to boost 12 classes is
40:29
better than limiting one. However, this has opted to say,
40:33
yeah, you know what? You're right, community, instead
40:36
of nerfing the racials everybody loves, don't form fire, blood
40:40
shadow melt, we're going to buff all of the other racials so that
40:45
you choose these more often. And what that means is every,
40:50
almost every race across the board has been given a buff to
40:53
one of their racial abilities. And I don't, I don't think this
41:02
is even going to move the needle, to be honest, because
41:05
none of these compare with the strength of stone form, fire,
41:09
blood or shadow melt in their own.
41:13
And this is also, I think people want less power tied to their
41:19
racial to racial choice. They want to look how they want
41:22
to look. They're not picking dwarves
41:24
because they want to be. They want stone form.
41:27
Sorry, they're not picking. Yeah, they're picking doors
41:28
because they want stone form, not because they want to look
41:30
like dwarfs. If I want to be a void elf in a
41:33
bikini, let me be a void elf in a bikini.
41:35
If I want to be a a drain eye in the chunkiest plate armor I can
41:39
find, let me be a drain eye and the checks whatever I find and
41:41
take that power choice away from it anyway.
41:46
It amuses me. I'm literally doing what the
41:49
community is going to do when they listen.
41:51
Like Blizzard did what we asked. We all asked for this.
41:54
We did this to ourselves, people.
41:55
We cut off our noses to spite our faces.
41:58
We all said just buff. Everyone else buff, Durfing,
42:01
just buff. And so they were like, OK, cool,
42:04
yeah, we'll buff. I'm OK.
42:08
I think that they have done a fairly decent job at the
42:13
straight throughput ratios of reining them in.
42:17
Like berserking is nowhere near the monster it used to be.
42:22
Berserking was like one of the reasons that horde, it became so
42:25
overrepresented in rating. But the ones that you're
42:30
pointing to, they're not straight throughput adjustments.
42:35
They are so strong because of the power of their utility, and
42:40
I think that's the stuff that they maybe need to nerf.
42:47
Yikes, I'm right back to where Blizzard was was I I take I take
42:54
back that Yikes. I am the guy who's who says
42:56
like, come on, if you got one outlier, why are you adjusting
43:00
the knob on 16 other dials to get the get them there.
43:04
Just turn that one down. I think that the scariest thing
43:10
that I could do is a chance fail.
43:16
If you added a chance, fail that stone blood doesn't remove.
43:21
And like a a debuff, if you add a chance, fail that shadow meld
43:30
doesn't drop you from combat. People would start running them.
43:35
People yeah I think people like I think that the unreliability
43:40
would immediately remove them as as desirable for the people who
43:44
are doing it for the exact reason of I can guarantee that I
43:47
can do this this pole drag everything over here everybody
43:52
else goes the other way and then when I know they're past I'll
43:56
I'll drop aggro or I'm up against this boss and I can just
44:01
ignore this mechanic because stone form or iron or sorry fire
44:05
blood and I think if you do that it is very D&D ish that.
44:10
Would feel terrible. That would feel absolutely
44:12
terrible. Well, what else would?
44:15
You do. If if for an ability to not,
44:18
there is nothing worse than RNG in your abilities for it not to
44:21
be consistent to do what you expect it to do.
44:26
I don't, I actually, I don't think that that'll never happen.
44:29
So I'm not even going to be upset about it.
44:31
But yeah, that would be the worst case scenario.
44:33
That's that would be a terrible solution to this problem.
44:36
I think that you're thinking about it as a flat RNG chance.
44:40
Which is it's like jumper cables that can sometimes backfire.
44:43
Yeah, but like that's a flat RNG chance.
44:46
I would, I would simply do it as the more that the ability is
44:51
used within an X period of time, the greater the failure, the
44:55
failure chance. So the first 2-3 times you use
44:57
it, guaranteed it's going to go off.
45:00
The next three times you use it, hey, greater chance, you start
45:04
going to that. Well, too often, more chance to
45:06
fail, which still means that it means that most of the time it's
45:10
reliable. You sparingly you're it's going
45:13
to be reliable, but you use that five times.
45:16
You're not limiting any other racial ability.
45:18
Like you're not saying, okay, Zander Larry trolls who can now
45:21
heal themselves for 50% of their Max health over was it 3 seconds
45:26
or whatever. That doesn't get diminished.
45:28
You know, I mean, they can still do that.
45:29
I, I think that's a bad, that's a bad solution.
45:32
I think the better solution is just detach them completely from
45:35
the races. So like a grab box of like, hey,
45:39
you picked your class, now you've picked your race, now
45:41
pick your racials. Yeah, well, I guess it would be
45:44
racials then pick your perks. We'll call them perks.
45:46
Yeah. Yeah, right.
45:47
I could see that. Except then they definitely have
45:50
to nerf them because then everybody's going to take the
45:52
same ones. Yeah, but who cares?
45:55
We're taking the same ones anyway.
45:56
Then they should just remove them.
45:57
Then they should just not exist. We're taking those same ones
46:01
now, it's just we're also being forced to play dwarfs.
46:03
Then they should just remove racials.
46:05
What you're what you're asking for is just remove racials.
46:08
Yeah, OK. I'm good with that too.
46:09
Get rid of racials. I'm cool with that.
46:11
I would play human in a heartbeat.
46:13
I know it's boring as. Y'all really?
46:16
I know that I know that's boring, but I would play human
46:18
in a heartbeat. That's the only one.
46:20
That one doesn't count. No, no it doesn't.
46:26
Okay, so yeah, blue suit, remove racials.
46:29
That's the end of our conversation, I think.
46:31
I think we're both on it. Yeah, that's where we're landed
46:34
on that. Get rid of them.
46:35
Get rid of them. But if you want to tell us that
46:39
racial should be around, if you want to propose the right way to
46:42
balance racials, let us know. You can join the conversation
46:46
over at bit dot LY slash fast Discord.
46:49
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46:52
about a bunch of different things, including racials,
46:55
including weird teleportation bugs with their portals and
46:59
everything always in between these episodes.
47:03
But until next time guys, may all your hits be crits.