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Overcoming Clutter with Kathi Lipp & From a Life of Crime to Planting a Church with Leonard Tank Jr. · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide. Overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined. Start
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  S1: your morning with a laugh.
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  S2: Practical from the Bible. Tips and tricks to kill. Not
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  S2: tricks but tips and tricks.
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  S3: Tips and tricks to kill. Tips and tricks.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S4: All of my attempts to, you know, prop myself up
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  S4: with achievement in good works. Well, God wasn't impressed by that,
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  S4: even if other people were.
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  S2: The gospel changes everything.
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  S5: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement
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  S5: just falling to the ground.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and Crew. We got a couple baby stories for you.
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  S1: Got a couple of them. Yesterday I got a call
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  S1: while I was on air from my daughter. And when
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  S1: I get a call from my daughter while I'm on air,
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  S1: it's like, Ruh roh, what's going on here? So I
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  S1: connected with her and found out, guess what? Although I
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  S1: wasn't the first up, I was down the line.
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  S5: You're on the list.
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  S1: I'm on the list. Yeah. What happened is my. My
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  S1: bride had something that she was cooking on and couldn't
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  S1: get away from it. And my daughter got a call
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  S1: from someone who was going to be watching her little
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  S1: one yesterday, and they had a headache or sick or something.
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  S1: And my son in law was downtown Chicago at work.
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  S1: And so my daughter calls dad and she says, dad,
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  S1: is there any way you could cut loose this afternoon?
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  S1: I've got to be on a Zoom call with a
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  S1: few hundred folks presenting something, and I just need to
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  S1: be there and I'm like, I'm there.
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  S5: He said yes before she finished the question.
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  S1: You better believe it. So I shot over there and
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  S1: the two dogs went crazy because for some reason they
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  S1: like my energy. And then the, the, uh, the, uh,
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  S1: little granddaughter of mine, baby Kate, she gave me a
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  S1: big old smile, like, wow, I'm getting you midday here.
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  S1: The sun's up and we're cooking here, grandpa.
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  S2: Nothing better than a little midday, grandpa time.
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  S1: Oh, we had a great time for an hour and
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  S1: 15 minutes. I just held on to that girl and
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  S1: talked to her about life and holding on to her.
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  S1: And her mom told me for sure she was going
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  S1: to pass out because she's so tired. But guess what?
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  S5: Yeah, right.
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  S1: She didn't pass out until I was gone. My daughter
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  S1: texted us and said she just woke up from the
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  S1: mother of all naps. She like crashed for a couple
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  S1: of hours after grandpa left. But we had a sweet
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  S1: time together. Babies are awesome. And Jonathan's got some big news.
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  S2: Man, I got.
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  S6: To love.
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  S2: Another little baby girl on the way.
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  S5: Girl. Dad.
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  S2: Dad, I'm so excited. Having my first little girl is
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  S2: the best, so having double that is going to be awesome.
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  S2: I grew up in a house with four boys where
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  S2: we were drawing blood.
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  S1: And God knew you had enough.
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  S2: And had enough, I had enough. My. I always remember
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  S2: my brother's 16th birthday. I was ten, he got boxing
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  S2: gloves and he wanted to test them out with me.
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  S2: He said, put him on, let's spar. And the first
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  S2: thing he did was punch me in the gut and.
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  S2: And so you know what? I had enough boy time.
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  S2: You know what? I'm ready to have a house full
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  S2: of girls. And now I do. And I'm so excited.
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  S1: 18 year old laying the picking leather to a ten
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  S1: year old brother's stomach. That's classic.
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  S2: Yeah, it was fun. And then, you know, as soon
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  S2: as you get hit, they go, are you okay? Are
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  S2: you okay? Don't. Whatever you do, don't tell Mom and
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  S2: Dad kind of how that works.
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  S5: Good.
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  S3: Right?
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  S2: Right.
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  S1: How many times did you hear that line?
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  S2: Oh, man. You know what? For me, not very often.
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  S2: I was a, I was I was not that much
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  S2: of a troublemaker. I was more of a troublemaker with
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  S2: my words. Uh, the biggest one is my brother. Older
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  S2: than me. He wanted to watch TV and I wouldn't
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  S2: let him. And so, uh, he. Because I was watching TV.
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  S2: So he stood at the TV and kept hitting the
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  S2: power button there. So I would interrupt my show and
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  S2: I'd turn it back on with the remote, and he'd
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  S2: turn it off again. So I got up and left
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  S2: with the remote in my hand and he said, give
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  S2: me that back. And I said, fine. So I turned
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  S2: around and I chucked the remote and it hit him
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  S2: in the face and. And then he started crying because
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  S2: it hurt. But then the crying turned to anger, crying.
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  S2: And that's when I knew to run. So I said,
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  S2: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And I
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  S2: took off because I knew he was going to beat
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  S2: me up when he caught me.
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  S1: So well, listen, back to the baby. Yeah. Congratulations.
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  S2: Thank you. I really am so excited. Uh, our second
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  S2: little one coming up right at the end of September. And, uh,
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  S2: and our little girl is very excited to have a
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  S2: little sister. She'd been calling sister for a while.
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  S3: Big sister.
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  S2: That's right.
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  S4: And girls bring a different a different flavor of of drama.
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  S3: Oh my goodness.
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  S2: Yeah yeah yeah, absolutely. Well, I was going to say,
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  S2: and it's funny because it is, it is really a
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  S2: whole new thing. You know, my, my daughter, she'll watch
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  S2: football with me and stuff when I have it on,
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  S2: which is great. Yeah. But she's also a girls girl.
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  S2: We dress up in princess stuff and she puts the
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  S2: little crown on dad, and she wants me to wear
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  S2: hairbows when she wears hairbows. And so it's fun and
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  S2: it's cute and I love it.
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  S1: Oh, that's awesome when she.
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  S5: Comes, dad all the way.
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  S1: She is. She is dressed up.
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  S2: Oh, yeah. She's my little princess, man, and she knows it.
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  S4: That's awesome. It's exciting news. Congrats.
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  S5: Congrats, congrats.
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  S2: Oh, it's the best.
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  S1: I do get a kick out of these shorts with
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  S1: these little kids that come in, and their mom just
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  S1: gave birth, and one little guy goes. Send him back.
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  S4: Oh, that was that was when we were joking about
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  S4: this when I was with my family recently, because I
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  S4: have a sister, I have two sisters. I'm right in
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  S4: the middle. And my older sister was two When I
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  S4: was born. Oh, and so she famously backed into a
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  S4: corner and said, I don't want her. I don't want her.
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  S4: Take her back. Oh, and as I mean, as it happened,
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  S4: I got pretty sick as a newborn, so I had
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  S4: to go back to the hospital for like a week.
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  S4: So then they brought me home a second time and
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  S4: she was like, I thought she was gone. I thought
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  S4: you took her back. So it was like double, double
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  S4: sadness because she really thought that her, you know, her
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  S4: request had been granted and that they had just taken
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  S4: me back. Now you're.
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  S1: Best.
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  S3: Buddies.
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  S4: Yeah. Now we're best buddies. Many, many years. I mean,
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  S4: we were we were best buddies, you know, within a
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  S4: within a year, you guys took a liking to me, man.
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  S4: But she definitely thought she had succeeded in getting rid
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  S4: of me. And then, lo and behold, here comes baby
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  S4: Ali again.
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  S5: Oh.
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  S4: Take that baby away.
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  S7: It's so funny.
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  S3: It's so.
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  S7: Good. Get him out of here. Take him back to
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  S7: where they came from.
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  S1: Oh, kids. Or something else? I keep telling, I keep.
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  S1: I've got a lot of friends with kids your age,
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  S1: and I tell them. I've told you, young thunder, wait
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  S1: till they're 4 or 5. They're going to tell. They're
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  S1: going to say stuff that's going to make your hair curl, man. Oh,
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  S1: it's going to be awesome. I can hardly wait.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S1: Hardly. Wait. Your turn's coming, man.
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  S2: I'm excited. I'm gonna get real careful. The hard part
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  S2: is you just have to learn. Because you can say
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  S2: certain things when they're an infant, because they aren't processing,
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  S2: they are not repeating. And then they get to two
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  S2: and they are repeating everything. And so you're like, all right,
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  S2: now I gotta really like tighten up the nozzle here
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  S2: because because she just says everything I say.
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  S3: Like, yeah, not fun.
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  S2: I don't want it.
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  S1: Gotta love it.
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  S2: And now she's gonna share all my family secrets. No,
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  S2: it's gonna be.
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  S4: Can I share one of the most embarrassing things that
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  S4: my son ever did to me when he was little.
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  S3: Please. Yes.
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  S4: So he was at a church camp, and my husband
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  S4: travels a lot for work, so he had to go
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  S4: to a big basketball summer league in Las Vegas. And
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  S4: so my son, who and so we, you know, we
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  S4: pray for dad when he's on his trips. And so
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  S4: they're in front of all the parents, all the kids
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  S4: at camp, they're all sharing prayer requests. And so they
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  S4: get to my son, he takes the microphone and he said,
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  S4: I just want to pray for my dad. He's gone
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  S4: to Vegas, and we pray that he comes back. And
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  S4: I was like, no. And I'm sitting there, all the
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  S4: blood goes out of my face. And the woman, she's like, okay,
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  S4: we're going to pray for his dad that he comes
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  S4: back and I'm like, can I explain that this Vegas
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  S4: strip is for work?
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  S3: It had to be.
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  S2: It had to be Vegas that week, didn't it?
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  S3: Oh, yeah.
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  S4: He's he's in Las Vegas and we pray he comes home.
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  S2: He couldn't have been in like.
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  S3: Oklahoma.
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  S4: Like.
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  S1: Facilitators. Facilitators didn't get his mortgage in the home.
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  S4: There's a story that I want to explain, but I
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  S4: just got to let this one lie. So I just
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  S4: had to smile and, you know, let everybody think that
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  S4: he's gone off to Vegas.
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  S3: I loved that.
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  S4: That was.
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  S3: Good.
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  S1: 000 pricing all week long. Sometimes you need hope rising
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  S1: when it feels like the Doge just sitting there flat
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  S1: because you're going through some tough stuff, right?
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  S4: I keep taking the punches. We've got a guest coming up.
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  S4: She's honest about man. She's taken some punches over the
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  S4: last couple months, but she's still got hope. What's going
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  S4: on and how is she clinging to God? You're going
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  S4: to hear from Kathy Lipp coming up.
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  S1: Yeah. Also some great advice if you feel like the
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  S1: hope that's being stolen from you is because of the
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  S1: stuff in the home. Yeah, she's an expert teed up.
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  S1: Coming up, Kathy Lipp.
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  S8: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
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  S8: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
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  S8: Moody Radio.
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  S1: So a question I have is, how does a person
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  S1: who is by nature happy clappy. And I don't mean
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  S1: that in a bad way. I mean it in a
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  S1: good way. I mean, they're like, whoa. When they come
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  S1: on air with us, they're bringing the joy. What happens
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  S1: when they go through a series of things? All joking aside,
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  S1: that could really rip off the hope from you. It's
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  S1: hope rising week here. And I just got to ask you,
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  S1: Kathi Lipp, how are you doing?
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  S5: I am a lot better than the last time I
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  S5: was supposed to be on and had to bail on you.
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  S5: So what? It's not my nature.
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  S1: No, it's not your nature at all. And. And Nelly
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  S1: and I love you because. Because you're so. Isn't she lovable?
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  S3: Ali?
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  S4: Oh, yeah.
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  S1: I mean, come on.
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  S4: Cathy. Lovable lip.
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  S3: There we go.
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  S4: Yes, that's what we'll call.
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  S3: Her for sure.
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  S1: Um, so.
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  S3: Cathy.
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  S5: I need to be on more often. I feel so
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  S5: much better after I talk to you guys. I'm glad.
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  S1: So what? What was Satan and I don't I'm not
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  S1: saying I ascribe it all to Satan. Sometimes circumstances. Satan leverages.
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  S1: I don't look for a demon under every rock. But
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  S1: what have you gone through? And I want folks to
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  S1: get a feel for it. You've gone through a series
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  S1: of tough blows here recently.
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  S5: It's been a one, two, three punch. So the first
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  S5: thing is I was at a speaking engagement of June
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  S5: of last year and caught Covid like everybody does at
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  S5: one point or another, but mine turned into long Covid.
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  S5: And I have been working at about, I would say
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  S5: a third of capacity since then. And then we had
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  S5: a tree fall on our house. We live in the
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  S5: middle of, you know, 33 acres out in the woods.
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  S5: And we had a big snowstorm, which wasn't a ton
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  S5: of snow, but it was heavy snow. And that tree landed,
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  S5: I don't know, maybe six feet away from my head.
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  S1: And it came through the roof.
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  S5: It did. It did.
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  S4: Whoa.
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  S5: So yeah, so that that was yeah, that was exciting,
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  S5: I guess is one word. Terrifying. I slept downstairs for
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  S5: four days. And then, uh, just as all of that
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  S5: was kind of, you know, we were figuring those things out.
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  S5: I passed out upstairs in our bedroom. It's like, well,
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  S5: that's weird. Went to the ER. They couldn't figure it out.
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  S5: Two days later, I'm in for emergency gallbladder surgery. So,
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  S5: you know, it was just like we couldn't catch our breath.
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  S5: And guys, it was. I have the most supportive husband
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  S5: on the planet who takes excellent care of me. But
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  S5: at some point, you just look around and you're like,
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  S5: is this my life now? Is this just how it's
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  S5: going to go for? Because, you know, I'm canceling appointments. I,
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  S5: I know I'm not letting people down, but I know
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  S5: it's not it's not how it used to be. Let
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  S5: me just put it that way.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S4: Kathy Lipp, our guest this morning, author, speaker, blogger, podcast host,
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  S4: clutter free Academy is what she's known for. Did you
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  S4: find yourself losing hope a little bit? Even though you
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  S4: knew it wouldn't always be like this? Did you feel
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  S4: a little hopeless as you just kept getting hit?
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  S5: Absolutely. Because you kept you keep thinking, okay, when I
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  S5: feel better or okay, when we get the tree out
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  S5: of the house or.
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  S3: I'm sorry.
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  S1: For laughing about that, but you got a tree.
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  S3: And.
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  S5: You have to.
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  S3: Laugh.
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  S5: You have to laugh. Yeah, I mean, we could have
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  S5: sold it as a feature. A skylight, I don't know. Um,
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  S5: but it was unrelenting and, you know, along with, you know,
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  S5: the other things that everybody just goes through, you know,
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  S5: your kids going through a crisis, aging parent. It just
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  S5: felt like, are we ever going to be able to
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  S5: catch our breath again?
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S1: What caused you to catch your breath? I know that
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  S1: you're a woman that's anchored in the word in our
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  S1: premise here is that at the end of the day.
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  S1: Oh my goodness, you must have had some scripture that
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  S1: you went to.
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  S5: Here's the thing. I am on a sermon team and
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  S5: for the church that I used to go to, you know,
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  S5: back in the Bay area, and we were going through
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  S5: Romans and just looking at the belief that the Saints
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  S5: had and just seeing that over and over and over.
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  S5: And that is such a a series of chapters on
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  S5: faithfulness and belief. So it was reading that kind of
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  S5: as my homework. Yeah, that was so anchoring for me.
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  S5: It was also knowing when I was at my worst
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  S5: that I had several people, not everybody knew what was
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  S5: going on, but I had several people that I knew
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  S5: were praying for me every single day. Like I didn't
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  S5: even have to question it. It's just who they are.
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  S5: And so having that and then having Roger, you know,
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  S5: praying with me before surgery, you know, it's the prayer
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  S5: and the word of God that kept coming back over
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  S5: and over. Even when I couldn't pray. You know, you
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  S5: think about the four friends carrying the stretcher. I knew
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  S5: that there were a number of people bringing me before
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  S5: God every single day.
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  S4: Kathy Lipp, our guest. Let me read you a couple
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  S4: of the titles of some of her many books. She's
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  S4: a best selling author of 20 books, clutter free that
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  S4: get yourself Organized project Overwhelmed, How to Quiet the Chaos
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  S4: and Restore the Sanity. We would be doing you a
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  S4: disservice if we brought her on and did not help you,
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  S4: who feel like your hope is waning because you were overwhelmed,
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  S4: drowning in clutter and chaos. Help and hope on the way.
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  S4: With Kathy Lipp coming up.
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  S8: You're listening to Curl and Crew on Moody Radio.
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  S4: Well, this is usually the time of year that people,
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  S4: at least in the Midwest, want to start opening some windows,
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  S4: bringing some fresh air in. We haven't seen consistent spring,
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  S4: but we know that it's coming. And so you want
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  S4: to clean things out. You want to enjoy the space
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  S4: that you have, whether it's a little bit or a lot.
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  S4: But sometimes it's the clutter and the chaos that keeps
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  S4: you from enjoying the very place that God has given you. Cathy,
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  S4: you have been there. Cathy Lip, our guest right now.
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  S4: You know that feeling, right? Cathy?
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  S5: Oh, 100%. I grew up with a hoarder. My dad
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  S5: was a hoarder, and so we were always closed in.
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  S5: And I love what you said about opening the windows
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  S5: and letting the fresh air in the house I grew
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  S5: up in. Didn't feel like that oftentimes. And we were
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  S5: closed off not just because of the clutter, but because
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  S5: we didn't want to bring people into our home because
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  S5: sometimes it could be embarrassing. And so this is why
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  S5: I'm so passionate about decluttering one. I know that clutter
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  S5: can be a physical harm to people, especially if you
• 16:32
  S5: have older people in your home or toddler, whoever is
• 16:36
  S5: in your home, you want it to be safe. So
• 16:38
  S5: getting that clutter out is a huge gift, but also
• 16:42
  S5: just the peace of mind because clutter makes our brain
• 16:46
  S5: ping off of things and it doesn't allow for true
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  S5: peace and rest. So that's why I'm so passionate about
• 16:53
  S5: creating a space where you can have that peace.
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  S1: You know, I got to tell you, I am by nature.
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  S1: No no no no no, by upbringing, by nature. I'm
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  S1: probably a mess by upbringing. I was raised around. I mean,
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  S1: my dad. He outlined tools on his pegboard. I mean, the.
• 17:10
  S3: Saw.
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  S1: The.
• 17:11
  S3: Pliers.
• 17:12
  S1: The screwdrivers, and I'm talking hundreds of tools. So that
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  S1: and it was helpful. Then I knew where to put
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  S1: them back, you know, it was.
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  S3: A.
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  S1: Really cool thing. My mom, she was more she was
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  S1: more organized than that. Now you can go too far
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  S1: with this stuff. You can you can get so stinking
• 17:29
  S1: messed up where you start worshiping order, right? And that
• 17:33
  S1: would be dangerous. So I want to talk about that
• 17:35
  S1: for a second. But the other side is I appreciate
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  S1: that upbringing because I know in my own life, when
• 17:41
  S1: things get scattered, that's an emotional strain on me that
• 17:46
  S1: I know God doesn't want me to carry. Speak to
• 17:48
  S1: that first.
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  S5: Yeah. So we have so much coming at us, you know,
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  S5: with relationships, with work, with raising kids or helping to
• 17:59
  S5: raise grandkids. There's already so much we have to balance.
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  S5: And so when your world is in disorder, it makes
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  S5: everything else so much harder. And I just think about
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  S5: if I am going around and doing things in my
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  S5: house and my house is cluttered, it's like I'm carrying
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  S5: that clutter on my back. It's emotionally exhausting, it's physically exhausting.
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  S5: And we're just we never get to the root of
• 18:30
  S5: what we need to do in the home. So and yes,
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  S5: you can be to organize. I like to think the
• 18:38
  S5: goal is a kindergarten room. A lot of great learning,
• 18:42
  S5: a lot of great play happens in the kindergarten room.
• 18:45
  S5: But also we teach kindergartners, hey, this is the block bin. Hey,
• 18:50
  S5: this is the bookshelf. We know where things go at
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  S5: the end of the day. And it doesn't take away
• 18:57
  S5: from that joy. It doesn't take away from that learning.
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  S5: They're all contained in the same area.
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  S4: That's a great.
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  S3: Great.
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  S4: Picture because I'm not too far removed from I've gotten
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  S4: my youngest is 13, but I remember going into those
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  S4: classrooms and there was a surprising amount of order, despite
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  S4: the fact that it was very colorful. The chairs were
• 19:20
  S4: basically sitting on the ground. The carpet might have been
• 19:23
  S4: a little stained from kindergarten messes, but there was order.
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  S3: That's true, isn't it?
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  S4: Right. What are the top three questions to ask yourself
• 19:33
  S4: when you are starting to look through your home? Figuring
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  S4: out what do I keep? What do I get rid of?
• 19:38
  S4: How do I start to make a dent in my clutter?
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  S5: I think, why am I holding on to this item?
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  S5: And there are three questions to ask. Fear, guilt and shame. Fear.
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  S5: If I give this away, I might need it someday.
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  S5: So I'm going to hold on to it until Jesus
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  S5: comes back. Guilt is often so and so gave it
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  S5: to me. And if I give it away, it means
• 20:02
  S5: that I didn't really honor that relationship. And then so fear,
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  S5: guilt and then shame. I spent so much money on it.
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  S5: And even though I don't use it, I need to
• 20:12
  S5: hold on to it until, I don't know, five, ten,
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  S5: 20 years until I feel like, okay, it's no longer
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  S5: of value and then I can get rid of it
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  S5: guilt free. And I would just love for us to
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  S5: turn that on its head and say, who could use
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  S5: this now? I don't honor anybody. I don't honor the
• 20:33
  S5: money I spent by keeping it in a closet. But
• 20:36
  S5: maybe there's somebody who's looking for a job, or maybe
• 20:39
  S5: there's somebody who has a young child and they could
• 20:43
  S5: use that playpen, or they could use that suit. And
• 20:49
  S5: that is a way that my things can serve God,
• 20:52
  S5: serve others, and honor the money that we've already spent
• 20:56
  S5: on it.
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  S4: Cathy, one story that you told that just stuck with me.
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  S4: I want you to tell it again. You went shopping
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  S4: and you had a son who was looking for shoes.
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  S4: Tell that story because I told that one to my family.
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  S4: Such an encouragement to get rid of stuff in your house.
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  S5: I'm so glad that that was an encouragement. Yeah. As
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  S5: you guys know, I was a single mom, and when
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  S5: I became a single mom, my kids had never shopped
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  S5: at a goodwill. We had gone there to donate things,
• 21:23
  S5: but that wasn't how we got things. And as a
• 21:27
  S5: single mom, I was unemployed. It was the only place
• 21:29
  S5: I could afford. But my son desperately needed shoes to
• 21:33
  S5: start school. And so we go to goodwill and we're
• 21:35
  S5: looking around and the pickings are slim. And my son
• 21:40
  S5: grabs a pair of shoes. He goes, I want these.
• 21:44
  S5: And he grabbed them from the size eight shelf. But
• 21:48
  S5: at the time he was a men's size 11. I'm like, buddy,
• 21:52
  S5: you know, we can't be shopping in that section. And
• 21:55
  S5: so I grabbed them from him to put them back.
• 21:58
  S5: And I look at the tag on the shoes. By
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  S5: the way, never Been worn. Still has the original tag
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  S5: on them.
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  S3: Oh my.
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  S5: Goodness. And friends, if those were not a size 11
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  S5: and I, I broke down and I cried in the
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  S5: middle of the goodwill. At the time, I just was
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  S5: thanking God, thanking God. And then I thought about the
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  S5: guy or more likely his wife, who says you've had
• 22:24
  S5: these Nike shoes for years and you haven't worn them?
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  S5: I'm going to donate them. And instead of holding on
• 22:30
  S5: to them to try to recoup some of that cost
• 22:32
  S5: or whatever goes through our brain when we hang on
• 22:35
  S5: to things we don't need to hang on to. They
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  S5: decided to be generous, and it changed the trajectory of
• 22:43
  S5: my son, starting in a brand new school. I am
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  S5: grateful to that woman every single day.
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  S1: This is power. Okay. Fear, guilt and shame, I love that.
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  S1: That is so good. How do you break? Okay, fear.
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  S1: We get it. That we've got to trust in the Lord.
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  S1: Guilt is a. That's probably my biggest sticking point because
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  S1: I get a lot of things given to me just
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  S1: because I'm a pastor. And.
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  S3: Right.
• 23:08
  S1: They just get handed to me and I have battled.
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  S1: So you know what I've done? I'm going to be
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  S1: so self effacing here.
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  S3: Tell me.
• 23:15
  S1: I hold on to things for a time, and then
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  S1: I feel like if I've held on to it long enough,
• 23:21
  S1: It's kind of grandfathered into. Now I can hand it
• 23:24
  S1: off to someone else. And then one day I thought, well,
• 23:27
  S1: that's crazy thinking. Can't you just pick that up one time, Kathy,
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  S1: and go, okay, I'm not going to be a slave
• 23:34
  S1: to this guilt. How do you break free from that?
• 23:36
  S5: I'll give you two different ideas. One. Oftentimes I like
• 23:41
  S5: to think about myself as just being the passer honor.
• 23:45
  S5: You know, somebody gives me something. It belongs to somebody else.
• 23:49
  S5: It's my job to get it to them. So that
• 23:51
  S5: doesn't mean I need to hand it to them directly.
• 23:54
  S5: It means it needs to be donated like those shoes
• 23:57
  S5: or when I've been given a bonus before. Maybe that
• 24:00
  S5: money isn't necessarily all for me. Maybe some of it
• 24:04
  S5: is for our food pantry here, which is one of
• 24:06
  S5: our favorite charities here. So to think about yourself as,
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  S5: am I supposed to hold on to this? Or am
• 24:12
  S5: I supposed to be the one who gets it to
• 24:15
  S5: the right place? The other thing I would love for
• 24:18
  S5: you to consider. You know, I lost my dad about
• 24:22
  S5: 13 years ago, and at first I felt like I
• 24:25
  S5: had to keep everything to honor his memory. But then
• 24:28
  S5: what I decided is I didn't need to keep a
• 24:31
  S5: bunch of things in drawers. I needed to curate just
• 24:35
  S5: a few items. You know, one item was something that
• 24:38
  S5: was important to me and him. One item was something
• 24:41
  S5: that really represented him. And so I've got about six
• 24:46
  S5: things in a shadow box that represent my relationship with
• 24:50
  S5: my dad, which is so much more meaningful than a
• 24:53
  S5: bunch of things scattered throughout my house.
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  S1: Or hidden in a cupboard.
• 24:56
  S5: Exactly.
• 24:57
  S4: Cathy Lipp, our guest this morning. She has a ton
• 25:00
  S4: of resources, books, but also blogs. There are three questions
• 25:05
  S4: to ask clutter free. Three clarifying questions. I'm not going
• 25:08
  S4: to give them to you. You got to look on
• 25:10
  S4: their site. Text clutter to 800 555 7898. You take
• 25:16
  S4: a look around. You're going to get some good motivation
• 25:18
  S4: and some practical help to start today. Text clutter to
• 25:22
  S4: (800) 555-7899 eight.
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  S8: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to
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  S8: Carl and Crew.
• 25:31
  S4: Our theme this week and I hope you've been enjoying it.
• 25:33
  S4: It's been hope rising. Talking about hope and all of
• 25:36
  S4: these different circumstances. Sometimes difficult. Leonard. Thanks, junior. Our guest
• 25:41
  S4: right now, pastor apologist. He's an emerging theologian based in
• 25:45
  S4: the Cleveland area where he serves as a pastor and
• 25:47
  S4: church planner. Would you agree that one of the most
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  S4: dangerous things to lose is hope?
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  S9: Yeah, I think that, um, you don't have anything to
• 25:58
  S9: believe in and anything to hope for a future or
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  S9: anything like that. It can create discouragement in the current
• 26:04
  S9: season of life, especially when we live with different circumstances
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  S9: and things. For sure.
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  S4: And, you know, and I think about, you know, living
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  S4: in any big city, you encounter people from all walks
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  S4: of life, all different set of circumstances and background. Sometimes
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  S4: you can look into the eyes of a person down
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  S4: and out and up and out. You can see businessmen.
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  S4: You can see a homeless person. But sometimes you look
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  S4: into the eyes of a person and you see there's
• 26:32
  S4: no hope. There's no hope. There's no hope that life
• 26:35
  S4: can be better than it is. There's no hope that
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  S4: circumstances will ever change. Have you ever been in that place, pastor,
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  S4: where if someone were to look into your eyes, like, really? Look,
• 26:46
  S4: there was no hope.
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  S9: Yeah. I mean, there's many a times in my life specifically, um,
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  S9: where they could have looked at that. Obviously it's been
• 26:53
  S9: changed a lot. Now my relationship with Jesus.
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  S3: Sure.
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  S9: Yeah. Kind of post my relationship with Jesus. There were
• 26:59
  S9: many times in that. And some of those times are
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  S9: actually what led me. I think that God used to
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  S9: really start to soften my heart and pierce through my heart,
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  S9: to make me open to receive him.
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  S4: Yeah. Take us back to before you were pastor of
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  S4: Reach City Church in Ohio, before you were an apologist
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  S4: studying theology. Talk about your early years.
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  S9: You know, I was just really troubled kid in and
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  S9: out of jail my whole life. Um, but specifically, I
• 27:28
  S9: remember kind of the moment, the last situation that kind
• 27:31
  S9: of led me to Christ facing five years waiting to
• 27:34
  S9: go to trial. You know, I was guilty at video
• 27:36
  S9: evidence and things like that. And so it really wasn't
• 27:39
  S9: any hope of actually getting out. It was kind of
• 27:42
  S9: like more so trying to prepare for what the next
• 27:44
  S9: five years will look like. And then going from my daughters.
• 27:47
  S9: And so that was probably one of the moments, the
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  S9: last moments where it was just like complete feeling of hopelessness.
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  S9: And I remember for me, that was kind of what
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  S9: led me to reading the Bible. That's what led me
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  S9: to pray, to seek God, to ask him and make
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  S9: this deal with him, to kind of get me out
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  S9: of jail. And so in that moment, God used that
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  S9: hopelessness and that defeated ness to actually soften my heart,
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  S9: to turn to him. And obviously in turning to him,
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  S9: miraculously got out of jail, and then my whole trajectory
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  S9: of my life shifted and changed.
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  S4: What was the deal that you made with God? If
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  S4: you get me out of this, I'll serve you. Was
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  S4: it something along those lines?
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  S9: Yeah. If you give me out of here, I'll serve
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  S9: you the rest of my life. And for the longest
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  S9: I used to tell that testimony is like. For some reason,
• 28:30
  S9: God believed me and got me out. But truthfully, that's
• 28:33
  S9: not the truth. At the end of the day. The
• 28:35
  S9: rest of the story actually is happening behind the scenes
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  S9: that I didn't even know about while I was in jail.
• 28:42
  S9: A friend of mine was a part of a young
• 28:44
  S9: adult ministry, and they used to have Sunday prayer nights,
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  S9: and I didn't know this until after I got out later,
• 28:50
  S9: because I ended up being a part of that group.
• 28:51
  S9: But she went to them and said, hey, my friend
• 28:54
  S9: is in jail. He asked me some questions about God.
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  S9: Can we just begin to pray that God would do
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  S9: something in his heart while he's in there? Wow. And
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  S9: so what I learned later, it wasn't that God, for
• 29:04
  S9: some reason believed me because, you know, I mean, John
• 29:08
  S9: chapter two says, man, Jesus doesn't entrust himself to man
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  S9: because he knows what's in there. And even men with
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  S9: the best intentions will still fail, will still turn their
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  S9: back on. God will still walk another way. But it
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  S9: was actually these prayers of these righteous people who were
• 29:23
  S9: praying that God would do a work in my life.
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  S9: That was actually the cause of the answer of my prayer,
• 29:29
  S9: that it was less about me and more about him
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  S9: being faithful to the prayers of the righteous. Hearing their
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  S9: prayers and then responding to their prayers. Not my prayers.
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  S9: I thought it was my prayers, but it was really
• 29:39
  S9: their prayer that he responded to and worked on my behalf.
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  S4: How soon after your release did you know you were
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  S4: going to be a pastor? I mean, you said you,
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  S4: I'll give you my life. I'll serve you whether or
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  S4: not you meant it fully. How soon after?
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  S9: Probably maybe about a year and a half in. I
• 30:01
  S9: felt like I had this love for the word and
• 30:03
  S9: wanted to communicate his word. And then kind of the
• 30:05
  S9: call for the pastor came a little bit later. But
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  S9: I was so arrogant and so prideful. I also reverted
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  S9: with just this desire to be the man. Even in
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  S9: the church space, you know? And so 2010 is when
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  S9: I got saved. Three years later, it's kind of where
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  S9: that press will be like. I feel like God, maybe
• 30:22
  S9: calling me later to shepherd people.
• 30:24
  S4: Leonard. Thanks, junior. Our guest right now out of the
• 30:26
  S4: Cleveland area, pastor, church planter, reached city church. You know,
• 30:31
  S4: when you think about hope, hope is anchored in the
• 30:34
  S4: faithfulness of God. More coming up with pastor tanks right
• 30:38
  S4: here on Carl and crew.
• 30:39
  S8: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you
• 30:42
  S8: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
• 30:46
  S8: Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 30:49
  S4: We've got a special guest with us this morning. His
• 30:51
  S4: name is Leonard. Thanks, junior. A familiar voice to those
• 30:54
  S4: of you in the Cleveland area. He is the pastor
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  S4: of Reach City Church in Cleveland, Ohio. Powerful testimony. You know,
• 31:02
  S4: when you think about hope, everybody wants to have a hope.
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  S4: But it's usually usually linked to a hope that something
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  S4: in my life will change as far as circumstances. When
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  S4: we think about a hope that's anchored in the faithfulness
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  S4: of God. Sometimes our immediate circumstances change, but sometimes they don't.
• 31:21
  S4: Explain that a little bit.
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  S9: We think that Hope answered is always like, well, I
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  S9: prayed and God was. If God is faithful, then he's
• 31:32
  S9: going to immediately change my circumstance. And these situations might change.
• 31:36
  S9: But I think the reality is not necessarily that the
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  S9: circumstances and situations will change immediately, but it's that the
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  S9: faithfulness of God is that he will bring about his
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  S9: desired plans. At the end of the day, it will happen.
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  S9: And I think about when you read the scriptures, you
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  S9: see the faithfulness of God being declared to Israel. And
• 31:56
  S9: yet Israel was still find themselves in captivity for 70 years.
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  S9: But during those 70 years, God was still faithful. And
• 32:03
  S9: he even said to them, hey, my plan is to
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  S9: give you a hope and a future. And so this
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  S9: 70 years of discipline is not meant to destroy you.
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  S9: And I will be faithful to bring you out of this.
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  S9: But your circumstance will be what it is for the
• 32:17
  S9: next 70 years. I think about the faithfulness of God
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  S9: and the life of the disciples, where Jesus says to
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  S9: them in Mark 14, he says, hey, I'm going to
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  S9: be arrested, and you're going to abandon me, right? But hey,
• 32:31
  S9: I'm going to go ahead of you. When I rise
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  S9: and meet you in Galilee. And he was being faithful
• 32:36
  S9: to his disciples in the mission that he had called
• 32:39
  S9: them to, even though they still abandoned him, they still
• 32:42
  S9: fled from him. But what was the message that the
• 32:45
  S9: angels gave to Mary at the tomb? Go and tell
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  S9: the disciples that he is going ahead of you to
• 32:50
  S9: Galilee like he told you. And so I'm still faithful
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  S9: to my promise to you. And though you may have
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  S9: abandoned me, and maybe in that current circumstance, you were
• 33:00
  S9: still hiding and afraid. But I'm going to be faithful
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  S9: to what I said to you. And I'm going to
• 33:05
  S9: Galilee to meet you there. And in that place I
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  S9: will recommission you. I will restore you and recommission you
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  S9: based upon my faithfulness to you, not based upon your
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  S9: intentions or your failures or your circumstances. And so I
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  S9: think sometimes we have to have a hope that it
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  S9: doesn't matter what it looks like today, that if God
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  S9: has promised or spoken something over our life, he will
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  S9: be faithful even through our failures and our struggles and
• 33:31
  S9: our humanity to bring it about.
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  S4: How have you seen this in your own life, where
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  S4: maybe there was some circumstances that didn't go quite how
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  S4: you had thought or expected, but God allowed you to
• 33:43
  S4: continue to hope.
• 33:44
  S9: Church planting.
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  S3: Oh.
• 33:46
  S9: Like I am a church planter. And it's hard seasons.
• 33:52
  S9: It's hard seasons. It's hard weeks. It's hard months. You know,
• 33:56
  S9: God has spoken a clear vision to me and my wife.
• 33:58
  S9: It's 3:00 in the morning. It's been written down in
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  S9: a journal since 2019. But along the journey, it doesn't
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  S9: necessarily look like we saw the vision to be. And
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  S9: there's been seasons in my life, specifically two years ago
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  S9: where I was really discouraged. And I'm like, God is
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  S9: have you taken your oil from me? AM I no
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  S9: longer graced to do this work? Because I don't understand
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  S9: why we're not seeing what I saw that you gave
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  S9: us to build here. And I was really hopeless. I
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  S9: ain't gonna lie. I was hopeless, and a lot of
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  S9: it was connected to, you know, seeing other people and
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  S9: different things like that. But one of the things that
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  S9: God told me during that season specifically was he had
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  S9: me reading Deuteronomy chapter seven, where he talked about that
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  S9: the Israelites would not be able to take the land
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  S9: all at once, because if they would, the inhabitants of
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  S9: the land would overpower them and be too much for them.
• 34:45
  S9: And so he said, I'm going to drive them out
• 34:47
  S9: little by little. And he and he reminded me, they're like, hey,
• 34:50
  S9: I'm still faithful to what I showed you. But if
• 34:52
  S9: I give it all to you right now, it'll be
• 34:55
  S9: too much and it'll actually destroy you. So little by little,
• 34:58
  S9: I'm building what I showed you. And that gave me hope.
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  S9: and little by little, we have seen God continuing to
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  S9: bring bits and pieces of what he showed me and
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  S9: my wife. And so I had to hold on to
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  S9: the fact that, hey, even if it doesn't look like
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  S9: what he showed you, he's still being faithful to bring
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  S9: it through. But in his wisdom and in his timing,
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  S9: so that what he showed us can thrive and be
• 35:20
  S9: successful versus engulfing us and overpowering us and overwhelming us.
• 35:25
  S9: And then we burn out and can't handle it. And
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  S9: so church planting is like the very real practical right now, uh,
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  S9: hope leaning on the faithfulness of God.
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  S4: Yeah. I appreciate you sharing that with us, Leonard. Thanks, junior.
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  S4: Our guest. If you want more on the ministry, Reach
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  S4: City Church is the name of the one he pastors.
• 35:43
  S4: Just text reach to (800) 555-7898. Just that one word. Reach
• 35:50
  S4: 800 555 7898.
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  S8: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
• 35:56
  S10: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
• 35:59
  S10: to stay in your past, and I want you to
• 36:01
  S10: know and believe that today.
• 36:03
  S8: You're listening to Carl and Crew.
• 36:05
  S1: So we're going to do something really fun here. I
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  S1: want to tell you one of my favorite stories in
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  S1: the Old Testament and in the entire Bible. It's so epic.
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  S1: It's a story that is filled with heartache and pain.
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  S1: It's gruesome. It's tough. Uh, we might do it. In fact,
• 36:26
  S1: let me do a little ear warning here right now. Um,
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  S1: I'm not going to be too graphic, but the story
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  S1: in itself is. I mean, you make a movie of this.
• 36:37
  S1: It's R-rated. There's no way around it. It's no way
• 36:40
  S1: around it. It's just one of those stories. But in it,
• 36:44
  S1: there's some different elements of Hope rising. And I'm going
• 36:46
  S1: to ask my team to help me out here because
• 36:48
  S1: I'm going to tell this story, and then we're going
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  S1: to grab an aspect of this story for Hope rising
• 36:55
  S1: and just hear what's on your heart this morning. Take
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  S1: me just a moment to kind of frame this out.
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  S1: The year is probably 850 BC. The location is Israel.
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  S1: The king is Jehoram and he's a godless king. So
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  S1: here you've got a nation that is led by a
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  S1: guy who is far from God. Well, a guy named
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  S1: Ben Hadad, he's the king of Syria. He comes in
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  S1: and surrounds Samaria, the city of Samaria in Israel. And
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  S1: as the story goes, he absolutely cuts off all supply
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  S1: lines to this city. No one's getting in, no one's
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  S1: getting out. But what's worse than that is there is
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  S1: no supplies. Getting in in the city is going to starve.
• 37:46
  S1: And that's Ben Haddad's goal. We're going to starve him out, man.
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  S1: We're going to starve him out. Now, in the city
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  S1: happened to be the prophet Elisha. So he's huddled with
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  S1: some elders down kind of in the bowels of this city.
• 38:02
  S1: And he's a God fearing, godly guy. And there's godly
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  S1: people in this city, for sure. But I mean, when
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  S1: I see things are getting bad, they're getting bad. Like
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  S1: dove dung was selling for like a month's wages. What
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  S1: would have been a month's wages? Like they're trying to
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  S1: get some nutrition from dove poop guys. Literally.
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  S2: It's crazy.
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  S1: They are taking dead horses heads chopping them off. And
• 38:28
  S1: there's there. Oh boy. Little ear warning here. They're scooping
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  S1: out any kind of nutrients, probably from cheek bones and
• 38:36
  S1: different things from a horse head and maybe even the
• 38:39
  S1: matter inside the cranium, trying to be somewhat careful here.
• 38:45
  S1: And so that sold a horse head was selling for
• 38:48
  S1: a year's wages and he gets worse. Uh, Jehoram evil king,
• 38:55
  S1: You know he's wailing. What's going on here? He's walking
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  S1: the walls, looking down at his people, and all of
• 39:01
  S1: a sudden he hears a woman just screaming, Kang Kang.
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  S1: He's like, what's going on? Be quiet. And she goes,
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  S1: I can't be quiet. I struck a deal with this woman.
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  S1: So imagine a king standing on a wall, and he's
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  S1: looking down at these two women, and he's looking at
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  S1: this woman. He's going, what's going on? She says, I
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  S1: struck a deal with my friend. We each have a son.
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  S1: And yesterday we struck a deal. I mean, this is
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  S1: how the how strong the famine was. We're going to
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  S1: take my son's life, and it's cannibalism. I'm not even
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  S1: going to get the words out here like that. You
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  S1: can put two and two together. And we struck a
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  S1: deal that yesterday we'd take my son, and today we'd
• 39:47
  S1: take her son and she hit her son. Okay, this
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  S1: is dark times, man. Can anyone else feel with me
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  S1: how brutal this is?
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  S4: Yeah. I mean, the fact that it's hard to even, like,
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  S4: say the words to.
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  S3: Get out.
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  S4: What was happening.
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  S1: You can't say the words. I mean, even in an
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  S1: R-rated movie, you can't depict this stuff.
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  S3: Okay?
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  S2: No, you can't, you can't.
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  S1: And Elijah, he's huddled down. He doesn't know what's going
• 40:16
  S1: up above deck. Jehoram. This evil king. He's like, well,
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  S1: he he doesn't even know who to yell at. He's
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  S1: not a God fearing man. He's not crying out to God.
• 40:26
  S1: But he sits down in ashes and he yells at
• 40:32
  S1: his right hand man. He says, you go get Elijah.
• 40:35
  S1: I'm going to kill that guy, this prophet of God.
• 40:37
  S1: I'm going to kill him. So he's headed down this
• 40:42
  S1: right hand man of the king, and he's heading down
• 40:45
  S1: into the bowels. And and God's Spirit tells Elijah, there's
• 40:50
  S1: a dude coming for your neck. So they block the door.
• 40:54
  S1: And this right hand man of King Jehoram outside and
• 40:57
  S1: he says, listen, you're you're a you're going to die.
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  S1: Come out of there. We're chopping your head off today.
• 41:04
  S1: And Elisha says, listen, things are really bad here right now,
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  S1: but my God is going to change the economy here radically.
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  S1: In 24 hours from now, we will have all the
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  S1: food we need. And the guy says, even if God
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  S1: were to open up the windows of heaven, this ain't
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  S1: going to happen. He said, it will happen, but you
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  S1: won't see it. So the story shifts gears in chapter
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  S1: seven of Second Kings. And it's so wild because verse
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  S1: three says, now there were four men who were lepers.
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  S1: So that's the only verse I'm going to look down
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  S1: and read. Other than that, it's just from my heart here.
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  S1: So there were four men who were lepers. And when
• 41:49
  S1: you read the story, you're like, whoop! Plot shift.
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  S2: Okay, you can see the scene change.
• 41:54
  S1: Yeah, I mean, scene change. We're now outside. So these
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  S1: four lepers were outside at the gate and they'd been
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  S1: begging bread. It's it's a tough business to be begging
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  S1: bread when the economy is as bad as it is.
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  S3: Yeah.
• 42:07
  S2: In a city where there's a famine, because everything is
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  S2: being bottlenecked.
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  S3: Yes.
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  S1: Yeah. They're not getting dip diddly squat. No, they're not
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  S1: even getting dove squat. All right. They're not getting anything.
• 42:19
  S1: So they're like one of the guys says the other three.
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  S1: He says, hey man, why don't we just head to
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  S1: the Syrian camp? I mean, if we if we die,
• 42:28
  S1: we die. We're dying anyway. And who knows what might happen?
• 42:32
  S1: So these four lepers start shuffling their feet to the
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  S1: Syrian camp. And the way the text goes is that
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  S1: to Ben Haddad in all of his army, and we're
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  S1: talking throngs of guys here. It sounded like what had
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  S1: happened is King Joram had gotten some allies outside and
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  S1: aligned some armies against them, and what they hear from
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  S1: amplified eight feet of four lepers. So God took eight
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  S1: feet shuffling through the sand and made it sound like chariots, warriors,
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  S1: and like he supercharged with the soundtrack. All these guys.
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  S3: This.
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  S4: Is wild.
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  S1: This is a wild deal. And what do they do?
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  S1: They're so freaked out, they leave everything. I mean, fires
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  S1: are cooking, tents are up, gold is in place. Foodstuffs, horses,
• 43:24
  S1: everything is right there. And so these four lepers walk
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  S1: into camp, the Syrian camp, and it's fully abandoned, like
• 43:31
  S1: acres and acres of a camp or abandoned. There is
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  S1: no one there. And they're chowing down and they're going
• 43:38
  S1: from fire to fire, and they're like, this is unbelievable.
• 43:42
  S1: And then one of them says, hey, maybe we should
• 43:44
  S1: tell the folks back in Samaria.
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  S3: About this.
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  S2: And good on them for thinking to do that.
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  S3: Because.
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  S2: Because these are the people who are, you know, stuck
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  S2: outside because they're not allowed to be in with the
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  S2: rest of the people. Yeah. And they could have thought
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  S2: to themselves, it's all ours.
• 43:59
  S1: Well, and they could have thought, these guys, they hate
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  S1: us anyway. The reason they're outside is they're lepers. They
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  S1: got a skin disease and they're like, get out of here. Yeah.
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  S1: So they go, you know what? We should. So they
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  S1: go back and they tell they tell. They get message
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  S1: to King Joram. And and these guys are doing what
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  S1: I would do, which is like, these guys are lying.
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  S1: They're lying through their teeth.
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  S2: Oh, sure. They're just.
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  S3: They're.
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  S1: Thinking, they're thinking Ben Hadad, he's set them up. And
• 44:32
  S1: these guys have now flipped sides. Who knows what they're thinking?
• 44:35
  S1: But they're thinking this is a bunch of hooey. So
• 44:38
  S1: on a whim, he says, send out our our couple
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  S1: of live horses with riders. So they had a couple
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  S1: in there and they're like, send them out and see
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  S1: what's going on. And these guys start riding and they
• 44:51
  S1: are blown away. Not only did that was that whole
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  S1: camp left behind, but these guys are throwing off cloaks.
• 44:56
  S1: They're throwing off any swords, any weights as they're running
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  S1: away from this non-existent military force that they think is
• 45:04
  S1: chasing them down. And Elijah's words were true because then
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  S1: the word came back and the whole city, I mean,
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  S1: flooded the exits and they're like storming the gates, getting out,
• 45:17
  S1: going to the Syrian camp and the messenger, the right
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  S1: hand man. Because remember what Elijah said? He said, yeah,
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  S1: the windows of heaven are going to be opened up
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  S1: and you're going to see it, but you aren't going
• 45:28
  S1: to taste it. And he got trampled under feet, dead
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  S1: by the crowd that was storming out of the gates
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  S1: of the city of Samaria. And the whole thing was changed.
• 45:41
  S1: The entire economy went from obscene poverty, despicable acts to
• 45:48
  S1: everything they needed and more in 24 hours. Now, one
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  S1: of the dangers with the story like this is that
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  S1: you've got such a crisis. You need hope so much
• 46:00
  S1: that you start superimposing that this will happen for me.
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  S2: Sure.
• 46:05
  S1: But there are some hopeful premises in this text. What
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  S1: are some of them, guys?
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  S2: I think that that God takes care of his people.
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  S2: It may not always be in the way that we
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  S2: think or expect or even sometimes wish it would. But
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  S2: I mean, Jesus tells us that if we look at
• 46:25
  S2: the birds and we look at the lilies, he takes
• 46:26
  S2: care of them. So. So it may not be in this,
• 46:30
  S2: this type of grand way that the promise is going
• 46:32
  S2: to show for you too. But I think it does
• 46:35
  S2: show in the promise that he does take care of
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  S2: his people.
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  S3: Okay.
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  S1: And I'm going to up the bar a little bit.
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  S1: God can do radically miraculous provisions.
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  S3: Yes.
• 46:43
  S1: Not just birdseed, 100%. God. God can do radically instantaneous deliverance.
• 46:50
  S1: And we, I think all of us at some level
• 46:53
  S1: can look back in our life and go, whoa, that
• 46:55
  S1: was from the hand of God. And it came out
• 46:57
  S1: of the blue and it was huge.
• 46:58
  S2: No doubt, no.
• 46:59
  S1: Doubt, no doubt about it. Anything else that we see?
• 47:02
  S3: I think, well.
• 47:03
  S10: God can use anyone. I mean, hope is for anyone.
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  S10: The lepers. It's not for the prominent. It's not for
• 47:09
  S10: the kings. It's hope is for.
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  S3: Everyone.
• 47:12
  S10: And available to everyone. I should say.
• 47:14
  S1: Yeah. No, that's that's a phenomenal observation that God is
• 47:19
  S1: no respecter of persons. He'll use anyone, even the ones
• 47:22
  S1: that were seen as unclean and despicable. Ali, what do
• 47:25
  S1: you think?
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  S4: I think also just that, uh, having keeping a posture
• 47:29
  S4: of faith. I mean, I don't think we should take
• 47:31
  S4: it literally that God's going to strike us down dead
• 47:34
  S4: if we have a moment of doubt. I think that
• 47:36
  S4: that would be a misapplication of Scripture here.
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  S3: Right?
• 47:39
  S4: But certainly we don't want to be the one who
• 47:43
  S4: someone saying, God, God can do it. And we're going, okay, yeah, right.
• 47:48
  S2: Yeah.
• 47:48
  S3: Oh, that.
• 47:49
  S1: Hold it. Stop there. That's a killer observation. Don't be
• 47:54
  S1: Debbie Downer on people, right?
• 47:56
  S3: Yes, yes.
• 47:57
  S4: I mean on God.
• 47:58
  S1: Ultimately on, on on on about two people about God.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S1: Don't do that because we don't know how God may provide.
• 48:06
  S2: And I think this is important because the man showed
• 48:09
  S2: a lack of faith after he was told by a
• 48:12
  S2: prophet of God, this is what would happen. And so
• 48:16
  S2: I think I think sometimes, I mean, Elisha was obviously
• 48:19
  S2: known as a man of God, and someone who spoke
• 48:22
  S2: on behalf of God or God would speak through on
• 48:24
  S2: a common basis. And so it was it was already
• 48:27
  S2: known that God spoke through Elisha. So I think we
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  S2: can also take this application that we read the the
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  S2: promises in Scripture sometimes, and we don't believe them. That is.
• 48:38
  S2: That is a word that has already been given to
• 48:41
  S2: us by God, and therefore we. We have no right
• 48:45
  S2: to not trust it.
• 48:45
  S3: Yeah.
• 48:46
  S1: Don't get the spirit of Jehoram on you. Get that
• 48:49
  S1: off of you.
• 48:50
  S2: Absolutely. If God says it's going to be done, then
• 48:52
  S2: it's going to be done.
• 48:53
  S1: Yeah, man.
• 48:54
  S10: And I would just say, don't hoard hope. Hope is
• 48:57
  S10: to be shared. You know, for a.
• 48:59
  S3: While.
• 48:59
  S10: The lepers were like, hey, we're going to keep this
• 49:01
  S10: to ourselves and thought, no, we got to share hope.
• 49:06
  S1: So we're doing this live. Ali, what do you think
• 49:10
  S1: is a reasonable question? I've teed up thought here that
• 49:15
  S1: we want to give the boom crew today. So we
• 49:17
  S1: gave them a smattering of things here.
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  S4: Yeah. I think if you can recall a time where
• 49:23
  S4: you felt hopeless, you were fighting to hold on to
• 49:27
  S4: hope in a hopeless situation, and you saw God move
• 49:30
  S4: in some in some way. Maybe it felt like, man,
• 49:34
  S4: just the window opened just a little bit and you
• 49:36
  S4: got a glimpse of maybe it was a floodgates opened up.
• 49:40
  S4: But you were in a hopeless situation, but you clung
• 49:43
  S4: to hope and saw God move. 800 555 7898, 800
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  S4: 555 78, 98.
• 49:51
  S3: Boom.
• 49:51
  S1: That is the question. We want to hear about that.
• 49:54
  S1: And you know what? That little moment of hope is
• 49:57
  S1: going to be? Hope. Rising vision for someone else. Our
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  S1: God's not dead. He's not done. Give us a call
• 50:04
  S1: 800 555 7898.
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  S8: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.
• 50:11
  S8: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 50:15
  S3: You know.
• 50:16
  S1: We've got to be careful with this. This is not presumption.
• 50:19
  S1: It's not forecasting for God. This is what you're going
• 50:22
  S1: to do. It's coming open handed saying, God, I'm believing
• 50:25
  S1: you for something and I don't know what it's going
• 50:27
  S1: to look like, but you can open wide the windows
• 50:30
  S1: of heaven in an instant and change circumstances. You can.
• 50:35
  S1: And then on occasion, God and His grace will do that.
• 50:39
  S1: So oftentimes, God in his mercy will leave us in
• 50:42
  S1: a tough spot. The lessons to be learned, things outside
• 50:46
  S1: of our control. And but God's mercy is good still.
• 50:49
  S1: He'll let us soldier through those even with tears coming
• 50:52
  S1: down our face. But when God provides, it gives us
• 50:56
  S1: a a hint and a hope that, oh, God's not
• 51:00
  S1: done with us yet. Allie's got a beautiful question for
• 51:02
  S1: you this morning.
• 51:03
  S4: We want to hear from you. We. Have you been
• 51:05
  S4: in a hopeless situation? There was no earthly reason to
• 51:09
  S4: have hope, but you clung to hope and saw God
• 51:12
  S4: move in some way. You tell us what that was.
• 51:15
  S4: 800 555 78, 98. Ben, first time caller from West Chicago.
• 51:20
  S4: What do you say? What was that hopeless situation that
• 51:23
  S4: you saw God move in?
• 51:26
  S11: Yeah. Hey, thanks for having me on. And yeah, the
• 51:29
  S11: situation that my wife and I were in, um, both
• 51:32
  S11: of us were just in jobs that we were just
• 51:36
  S11: feeling like just absolutely destroyed and wasted by the end
• 51:39
  S11: of the day. And, um, both of us, ironically, at
• 51:44
  S11: the same time, felt like God was calling us to
• 51:46
  S11: leave our jobs and to just trust him and start
• 51:49
  S11: up a new business. Um, and not, which was absolutely terrifying.
• 51:55
  S3: It's like.
• 51:57
  S11: It's just been so cool seeing how God provided for us.
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  S11: Not that we've been living the lavish life, but it's
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  S11: like we he has provided every single step of the way.
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  S11: Like it's not been a question of, hey, will we
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  S11: have enough? It's, hey, what opportunities got to open it
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  S11: up for us today?
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  S1: Dude, you're living the love by God life. And that's
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  S1: better than lavish. You know what I'm saying, bro?
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  S11: Oh my goodness. Yeah, it it it is absolutely. It
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  S11: is absolutely incredible. Which if I can say like even more,
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  S11: even better than the provision of like, what's been happening
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  S11: with work. It's like, I know Carl, you say it
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  S11: all the time on the show, but it is being
• 52:37
  S11: in those disciplines of spending time in the word, praying,
• 52:41
  S11: like making sure priorities straight that God is first, that
• 52:46
  S11: I always say my wife and family has to be
• 52:49
  S11: second and then everything else will fall in place.
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  S1: Yeah. No, dude, you keep Christ at the core and
• 52:54
  S1: look out. Ben. Boom! Brother. First time caller from West Chicago.
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  S1: How old are you, Ben?
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  S11: Yeah, I'm. I'm 29.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S1: Dude, let me just tell you something. I am so
• 53:05
  S1: grateful that you're listening to us here. Um, and because
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  S1: it's so encouraging to me that we've got a 29
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  S1: year old walking by faith like this, and you're an
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  S1: inspiration to me, man. Thank you for that, Ben. I
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  S1: love you. I love.
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  S3: You, man.
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  S11: And thank you. I got to see you a little
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  S11: while ago at, um, one of your events in Naperville. Um,
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  S11: you were over at High Point. I hope it's okay
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  S11: that I plug them.
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  S1: No, that's. That's cool.
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  S11: Thank you so much for sharing what you're doing.
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  S1: Oh, man. Godspeed, Ben. Love you. Good stuff coming up here.
• 53:40
  S1: We'll take some more of your calls. Lightning round here.
• 53:43
  S1: Ali's got a special question. Flows out of this great narrative.
• 53:45
  S1: Some of you are wondering, where in the world is
• 53:47
  S1: this story? It's in Second Kings. You can just start
• 53:51
  S1: in chapter six, verse 24 and go all the way
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  S1: through chapter seven. And the whole story is right there. Yeah,
• 53:59
  S1: it's graphic, it's tough, but it's beautiful.
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  S4: Yeah. Here's the question for you. This morning you were
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  S4: in a hopeless situation, but God allowed you to cling
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  S4: to hope. And you saw him move 800 555, 78,
• 54:12
  S4: 98 (800) 555-7898.
• 54:17
  S8: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
• 54:21
  S8: Carl and Cru.
• 54:23
  S1: Yeah. Taking your stories. Alex, got a great question. You
• 54:26
  S1: were in a hopeless situation. You clung to God and
• 54:29
  S1: he provided. By the way, if you want a graphic
• 54:31
  S1: illustration of this that is epic, please get in the
• 54:34
  S1: sticky pages. Go to Second Kings chapter six. Starting in
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  S1: verse 24. Read all the way through chapter seven. It's
• 54:40
  S1: one of the coolest stories. This is not a bedtime
• 54:43
  S1: story for your kids. This is one of those alone stories. Ali,
• 54:47
  S1: wouldn't you say?
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  S3: Yes, yes.
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  S1: This is not a bedtime story even for you. This
• 54:54
  S1: is middle of the day story. Sun's up story. But
• 54:58
  S1: it's beautiful because we see God's hand of provision in
• 55:01
  S1: horrific situations. All right, let's go back to the phone
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  S1: lines here. Juan, first time caller in Oaklane. Man, you're
• 55:08
  S1: in a hopeless situation. You clung to God and he provided,
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  S1: give us your story, bro.
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  S12: Yes. You know, we overcome it by the word of
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  S12: our testimony and by the blood of the Lamb. But
• 55:18
  S12: I'm so thankful because my back was hurting and I
• 55:21
  S12: was in trouble with my job, and I was a
• 55:24
  S12: sole provider for my family. I had three kids, my
• 55:27
  S12: wife to provide for them, and I was out of
• 55:29
  S12: work for a long time. And, you know, the mortgage and, uh,
• 55:33
  S12: you know, the bills were piling up. So there was
• 55:35
  S12: a flood that came to the area. Rain, hail, everything.
• 55:39
  S12: My house was torn up. And, uh, you know, at
• 55:42
  S12: the end of the day, when insurance covered everything up.
• 55:45
  S12: I was able to pay my bills, fix my house
• 55:47
  S12: and everything. And at the end of the day, the
• 55:50
  S12: Lord healed my body. Uh, so I'm so thankful that
• 55:53
  S12: if you just cling to the promises of God and
• 55:56
  S12: hold on to God's unchanging hand, God will make a way.
• 55:59
  S12: He said, I am the way, the truth, and the life.
• 56:01
  S12: No man can come unto me, you know, except to
• 56:04
  S12: the father. So I'm so thankful for calling on their
• 56:06
  S12: name and believing in their name. There's power in their name. So,
• 56:09
  S12: so thankful for the opportunity to share my testimony.
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  S1: Juan. First time caller. Boom, brother. And you know, it's
• 56:15
  S1: going to kind of sound funny what I'm going to say,
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  S1: but it's really true. Uh, I mean, I insurance is
• 56:23
  S1: an important thing, but insurance companies are in it to
• 56:26
  S1: win it. They're all about money and I don't fault
• 56:29
  S1: them for that. It's all about money. They've got shareholders
• 56:31
  S1: and all that. I've run into more people as a
• 56:34
  S1: pastor that find it a battle to get even what
• 56:37
  S1: is fair and right. Yeah. And so for Juan to
• 56:40
  S1: get what was fair and right and to break through
• 56:43
  S1: and then to watch the healing to his body, we
• 56:45
  S1: can look at God in those things. I remember one
• 56:49
  S1: brother telling me that he had an adjuster come out,
• 56:51
  S1: and the dude was just stone Cold Steve Austin. I
• 56:54
  S1: don't know where that term came from, a wrestling term.
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  S3: I mean, he.
• 56:57
  S1: Was Stone Cold.
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  S2: Steve.
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  S3: Austin.
• 57:00
  S1: I don't know where that came from.
• 57:01
  S3: He's a sorry.
• 57:03
  S1: Carlosm all the way. I've never even seen this guy.
• 57:05
  S1: I guess he's one of these tatted up fighters or something.
• 57:07
  S10: Wrestler.
• 57:08
  S1: Yeah, yeah. Um, so it was just stone cold a
• 57:12
  S1: gesture and he's like, you ain't getting nothing. And it
• 57:16
  S1: was a real genuine claim. And then another guy got
• 57:20
  S1: sent out out of the blue to the to the job.
• 57:24
  S1: And the dude was filled with compassion and just goes, yeah,
• 57:27
  S1: this is we got to make this right. And the
• 57:30
  S1: guy's like, I that is God.
• 57:32
  S3: Yeah, that.
• 57:33
  S1: Changed my adjuster.
• 57:34
  S2: That's why we don't put our hope in insurance. The
• 57:37
  S2: scripture doesn't say that. It says, you know, we put
• 57:39
  S2: our hope in God.
• 57:41
  S1: No, these guys are lining pockets on the top side.
• 57:44
  S3: Yeah. And I think.
• 57:45
  S4: One of the one of the maybe sometimes the hardest
• 57:48
  S4: thing is to have an to not just cling to God,
• 57:51
  S4: but also cling to God with an open hand. Yes.
• 57:54
  S4: Because we I mean, how many times have you just
• 57:57
  S4: played out in your mind exactly how God should fix
• 58:01
  S4: this thing?
• 58:01
  S3: Oh no, like this should happen. Tell me your story.
• 58:06
  S4: And so it's it's clinging to the promises of God,
• 58:10
  S4: knowing that God is is not his. He's not like us.
• 58:15
  S4: So us trying to presume upon what he should and
• 58:19
  S4: is going to do based on promises from Scripture. I
• 58:23
  S4: think we have to be careful with that. We trust
• 58:25
  S4: that God is our provider, that we have hope in him,
• 58:28
  S4: and then we leave it up to him as to
• 58:30
  S4: how he's going to come through for us.
• 58:33
  S1: And also, don't short arm guys.
• 58:35
  S4: Exactly.
• 58:35
  S1: Because the flip side is true as well. Don't look
• 58:38
  S1: at your impotent self and put that on God. I mean,
• 58:43
  S1: really don't look at your. Absolutely. I mean, relative to God,
• 58:47
  S1: we're all impotent.
• 58:49
  S2: Yes.
• 58:50
  S1: I'm not saying you're weak. I'm saying relative to God,
• 58:53
  S1: he can do the unthinkable. And so it's this high.
• 58:58
  S1: It's the high ridge that.
• 59:00
  S4: We always come back to. We might be selling it
• 59:03
  S4: too short, but we we certainly don't want to say, okay, God, X, Y,
• 59:07
  S4: and Z, this is what you're going to do.
• 59:09
  S1: Yeah.
• 59:10
  S4: Let God be God.
• 59:11
  S1: Yeah. Let God be God. Yeah. Springtime harvest dessert. Let
• 59:16
  S1: him be God. I don't know what you need to
• 59:18
  S1: believe him for today, but just trust him.