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The Power & Wisdom of Equanimity: Getting Beyond Reactivity to Inner Calm & Clarity · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  one
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  of
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  our
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  conversation
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  with
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  Margaret
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  Cullen
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  on
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  the
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  subject
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  of
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  equanimity.
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  As
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  a
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  part
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  of
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  our
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  what
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  is
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  Real
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  Greatness
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  series,
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  Margaret
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  has
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  just
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  published
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  a
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  new
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  book
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  on
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  equanimity
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  called
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  Quiet
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  Strength
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  which
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  is
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  so
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  extremely
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  important.
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  As
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  we
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  go
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  through
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  these
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  horrific
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  times,
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  never
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  have
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  we
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  had
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  such
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  a
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  need
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  for
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  the
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  medicine
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  that
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  she
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  brings
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  us.
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  Margaret
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  teaches
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  us
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  that
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  equanimity
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  is
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  real
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  and
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  spacious
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  enough
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  to
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  include
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  our
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  broken
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  and
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  despairing
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  hearts.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation
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  Health
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  Society,
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  Spirit
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  life
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  enhancing,
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists.
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  With
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  I'm
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  our
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  co
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  host
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  is
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  John
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  Dupuis.
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  And
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  today
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  we
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  continue
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  in
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  our
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  series
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  on
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  exploration
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  of
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  what
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  is
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  real
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  greatness.
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  There's
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  discussion
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  in
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  our
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  culture
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  today
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  about
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  greatness,
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  but
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  not
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  much
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  in
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  depth
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  discussion
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  about
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  what
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  real
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  greatness
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  is.
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  And
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  qualities
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  which
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  is
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  found
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  across
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  the
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  world
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  great
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  contemplative
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  traditions
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  as
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  a
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  characteristic
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  of
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  truly
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  great
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  people
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  is
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  equanimity.
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  Equanimity,
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  a
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  smoothness
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  of
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  mind
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  not
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  so
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  much
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  discussed
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  in
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  the
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  west,
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  but
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  coming
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  to
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  the
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  fore
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  thanks
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  to
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  the
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  work
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  of
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  our
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  guests
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  today,
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  Margaret
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  Cullen.
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  Margaret
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  is
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  many
• 1:26
  things.
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  She's
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  a
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  psychotherapist,
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  she's
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  a
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  meditation
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  teacher.
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  She's
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  also
• 1:31
  been
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  at
• 1:31
  the
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  forefront
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  of
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  bringing
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  traditional
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  contemplative
• 1:34
  practices
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  into
• 1:36
  the
• 1:36
  mainstream,
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  making
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  them
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  accessible
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  in
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  multiple
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  ways.
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  She
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  has
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  created,
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  been
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  a
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  co
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  developer
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  of
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  the
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  Compassion
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  Coalition
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  training
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  at
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  Stanford
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  University.
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  She's
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  a
• 1:48
  founder
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  of
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  the
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  Compassion
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  Corps,
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  which
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  is
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  a
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  beautiful
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  organization
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  that
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  offers
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  free
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  compassion
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  and
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  mindfulness
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  training
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  programs
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  for
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  underprivileged
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  people
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  around
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  the
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  world.
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  And
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  she's
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  just
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  had
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  an
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  enormous
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  contribution
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  to
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  the
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  whole
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  contemplative
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  world
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  and
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  contemplative
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  practice.
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  She
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  has
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  now
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  written
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  another
• 2:08
  book
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  and
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  that
• 2:09
  book
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  is
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  titled
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  Quiet
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  Strength.
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  Yeah,
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  and
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  Roger,
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  I'd
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  like
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  to
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  add,
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  I
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  thought
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  was
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  fascinating
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  that
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  you've
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  worked
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  with
• 2:16
  elite
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  military
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  units
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  as
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  well
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  as
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  high
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  security
• 2:19
  prisons.
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  So
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  just
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  to
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  add
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  that
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  to,
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  I
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  think
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  that's
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  really,
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  really
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  interesting.
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  Yeah,
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  it
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  is
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  indeed.
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  And
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  the
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  full
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  book
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  title
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  is
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  Quiet
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  Strength.
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  Find
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  Peace,
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  Feel
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  Alive
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  and
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  love
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  boundlessly
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  through
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  the
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  power
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  of
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  Equanimity.
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  Quiet
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  Strength,
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  A
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  beautiful
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  book.
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  So
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  Margaret,
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  maybe
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  since
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  Equanimity
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  is
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  really
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  something
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  which
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  hasn't
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  gotten
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  press
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  in
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  our
• 2:43
  culture,
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  maybe
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  you
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  could
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  start
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  by
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  telling
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  us
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  how
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  you
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  got
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  into
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  this
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  and
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  how
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  you
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  decided
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  to
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  bring
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  this
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  to
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  our
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  culture.
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  Thank
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  you.
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  And
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  thank
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  you
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  Roger
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  and
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  John
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  for
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  inviting
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  me.
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  I'm
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  a
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  big
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  fan
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  of
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  your
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  show.
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  I
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  love
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  your
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  willingness
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  to
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  dive
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  deeply
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  into
• 3:03
  subjects.
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  I
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  find
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  that
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  incredibly
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  nourishing.
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  So
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  I'm
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  honored
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  to
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  be
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  here
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  as
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  your
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  guest
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  equanimity,
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  which
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  I
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  of
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  course
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  pursued
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  because
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  I
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  needed
• 3:16
  it
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  myself.
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  Like
• 3:17
  a
• 3:18
  lot
• 3:18
  of
• 3:18
  things
• 3:18
  in
• 3:18
  life,
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  I
• 3:19
  found
• 3:20
  I
• 3:20
  needed
• 3:20
  more
• 3:21
  of
• 3:21
  it.
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  And
• 3:22
  I
• 3:22
  also
• 3:24
  stumbled
• 3:25
  into
• 3:25
  it
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  somewhat
• 3:26
  accidentally,
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  or
• 3:28
  as
• 3:29
  Trungpa
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  Rinpoche
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  said,
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  apparently
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  to
• 3:32
  Sharon
• 3:32
  Salzberg,
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  by
• 3:33
  the
• 3:34
  pretense
• 3:34
  of
• 3:34
  accident,
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  I
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  stumbled
• 3:36
  into
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  equanimity.
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  Equanimity.
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  I
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  found
• 3:41
  even
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  in
• 3:42
  my
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  long
• 3:43
  Buddhist
• 3:43
  training
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  that
• 3:45
  it
• 3:45
  wasn't
• 3:46
  talked
• 3:46
  about
• 3:46
  a
• 3:47
  whole
• 3:47
  lot,
• 3:48
  it
• 3:48
  wasn't
• 3:49
  taught
• 3:49
  a
• 3:50
  lot.
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  And
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  that
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  made
• 3:52
  me
• 3:52
  curious
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  right
• 3:53
  there,
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  because
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  as
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  you
• 3:54
  know
• 3:54
  very
• 3:55
  well,
• 3:55
  Roger,
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  you
• 3:56
  find
• 3:57
  it
• 3:57
  on
• 3:57
  all
• 3:57
  the
• 3:58
  Buddhist
• 3:58
  lists
• 3:59
  and
• 3:59
  it
• 3:59
  usually
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  has
• 4:00
  a
• 4:00
  place
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  of
• 4:01
  importance
• 4:01
  at
• 4:02
  the
• 4:02
  very
• 4:02
  top,
• 4:02
  the
• 4:03
  kind
• 4:03
  of
• 4:03
  ultimate
• 4:04
  quality
• 4:05
  on
• 4:06
  many
• 4:06
  lists
• 4:07
  in
• 4:07
  Buddhism.
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  So
• 4:09
  I
• 4:09
  got
• 4:09
  curious
• 4:10
  about
• 4:10
  it.
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  And
• 4:11
  having
• 4:12
  worked
• 4:12
  to
• 4:13
  translate
• 4:13
  both
• 4:14
  mindfulness
• 4:14
  and
• 4:15
  compassion
• 4:16
  into
• 4:17
  more
• 4:17
  mainstream,
• 4:18
  accessible
• 4:19
  programs,
• 4:20
  I
• 4:20
  got
• 4:21
  really
• 4:21
  curious
• 4:21
  if
• 4:22
  we
• 4:22
  could
• 4:22
  do
• 4:22
  that
• 4:23
  for
• 4:23
  equanimity.
• 4:24
  So
• 4:24
  that's
• 4:25
  part
• 4:25
  of
• 4:25
  it,
• 4:25
  part
• 4:26
  of
• 4:26
  how
• 4:26
  I
• 4:26
  got
• 4:26
  involved.
• 4:27
  Yeah.
• 4:28
  Beautiful.
• 4:28
  And
• 4:29
  maybe
• 4:29
  we
• 4:29
  can
• 4:29
  start
• 4:30
  by,
• 4:30
  since
• 4:31
  it's
• 4:31
  not
• 4:32
  a
• 4:32
  well
• 4:32
  known
• 4:33
  quality
• 4:34
  in
• 4:34
  the
• 4:35
  west
• 4:35
  as
• 4:35
  yet,
• 4:36
  we
• 4:36
  really
• 4:36
  don't
• 4:36
  have
• 4:37
  a
• 4:37
  lot
• 4:37
  on
• 4:37
  it,
• 4:37
  maybe
• 4:38
  you
• 4:38
  can
• 4:38
  stop
• 4:38
  by
• 4:39
  just
• 4:39
  telling
• 4:39
  us
• 4:40
  exactly
• 4:40
  what
• 4:40
  this
• 4:41
  is.
• 4:42
  It's
• 4:42
  interesting.
• 4:43
  I
• 4:44
  know
• 4:44
  that
• 4:44
  as
• 4:45
  I
• 4:45
  talk
• 4:45
  about
• 4:45
  the
• 4:45
  book,
• 4:46
  I'm
• 4:46
  going
• 4:46
  to
• 4:46
  have
• 4:46
  to
• 4:47
  figure
• 4:47
  out
• 4:47
  the
• 4:48
  pithy
• 4:48
  answer
• 4:48
  for
• 4:49
  that
• 4:49
  for
• 4:50
  different
• 4:50
  contexts.
• 4:51
  Hopefully
• 4:52
  in
• 4:52
  this
• 4:52
  conversation
• 4:53
  I
• 4:53
  don't
• 4:53
  have
• 4:53
  to
• 4:54
  be
• 4:54
  quite
• 4:55
  so
• 4:55
  pithy.
• 4:56
  We
• 4:56
  have
• 4:56
  a
• 4:57
  little
• 4:57
  more
• 4:57
  time
• 4:57
  and
• 4:57
  more
• 4:58
  space.
• 4:59
  And
• 4:59
  I
• 4:59
  think
• 5:00
  one
• 5:01
  of
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  reasons
• 5:02
  my
• 5:02
  theory,
• 5:03
  one
• 5:03
  of
• 5:03
  the
• 5:03
  reasons
• 5:04
  very
• 5:04
  little
• 5:04
  has
• 5:05
  been
• 5:05
  written
• 5:05
  about
• 5:06
  equanimity
• 5:07
  is
• 5:07
  that
• 5:08
  it
• 5:08
  is
• 5:08
  at
• 5:09
  once
• 5:10
  very
• 5:10
  simple,
• 5:11
  but
• 5:11
  also
• 5:12
  very
• 5:12
  complicated.
• 5:14
  In
• 5:14
  some
• 5:14
  sense,
• 5:15
  it's
• 5:15
  very
• 5:16
  obvious,
• 5:16
  but
• 5:17
  also
• 5:17
  very
• 5:18
  subtle.
• 5:19
  So
• 5:20
  it's
• 5:20
  full
• 5:20
  of
• 5:20
  paradox,
• 5:21
  equanimity.
• 5:22
  The
• 5:23
  simple
• 5:23
  answer
• 5:24
  is
• 5:24
  that
• 5:24
  it's
• 5:25
  non
• 5:25
  reactivity.
• 5:28
  We
• 5:28
  could,
• 5:28
  in
• 5:29
  a
• 5:29
  sense,
• 5:29
  boil
• 5:29
  it
• 5:30
  down
• 5:30
  to
• 5:30
  that.
• 5:31
  But
• 5:32
  that
• 5:32
  simple
• 5:33
  answer
• 5:33
  in
• 5:34
  no
• 5:34
  way
• 5:35
  captures
• 5:36
  the
• 5:36
  complexity,
• 5:37
  the
• 5:37
  breadth
• 5:38
  and
• 5:38
  the
• 5:38
  scope
• 5:39
  of
• 5:39
  this
• 5:40
  virtue
• 5:41
  that's
• 5:41
  prized
• 5:42
  across
• 5:43
  all
• 5:44
  religions
• 5:45
  and
• 5:46
  wisdom
• 5:46
  traditions.
• 5:47
  And
• 5:48
  how
• 5:48
  did
• 5:48
  you
• 5:48
  start
• 5:49
  experiencing
• 5:49
  this
• 5:50
  yourself?
• 5:50
  Obviously
• 5:50
  become
• 5:51
  a
• 5:51
  very
• 5:51
  important
• 5:51
  thing
• 5:52
  in
• 5:52
  your
• 5:52
  life.
• 5:53
  You
• 5:53
  teach
• 5:53
  it,
• 5:53
  write
• 5:54
  books
• 5:54
  about
• 5:54
  it.
• 5:54
  So
• 5:54
  when
• 5:55
  did
• 5:55
  it
• 5:55
  kind
• 5:55
  of
• 5:55
  open
• 5:55
  up
• 5:55
  to
• 5:56
  you?
• 5:56
  Is
• 5:56
  like,
• 5:56
  aha.
• 5:57
  That's
• 5:57
  what
• 5:57
  they're
• 5:57
  talking
• 5:58
  about.
• 6:00
  Yes.
• 6:01
  So
• 6:02
  I
• 6:02
  was
• 6:02
  on
• 6:03
  a
• 6:03
  meditation
• 6:04
  retreat.
• 6:04
  I'm
• 6:05
  pretty
• 6:05
  sure
• 6:05
  Roger
• 6:06
  was
• 6:06
  there
• 6:06
  because
• 6:06
  he
• 6:07
  was
• 6:07
  on
• 6:07
  practically
• 6:08
  every
• 6:08
  retreat.
• 6:09
  He
• 6:09
  said
• 6:09
  most
• 6:09
  of
• 6:10
  them.
• 6:10
  Yeah,
• 6:10
  I
• 6:10
  did
• 6:10
  a
• 6:11
  lot
• 6:11
  of
• 6:11
  retreats
• 6:12
  over
• 6:12
  the
• 6:12
  last
• 6:12
  45
• 6:13
  years.
• 6:14
  And
• 6:15
  so
• 6:15
  this
• 6:15
  was
• 6:16
  maybe
• 6:16
  in
• 6:17
  the
• 6:17
  early
• 6:17
  80s.
• 6:18
  And
• 6:19
  Sharon
• 6:19
  Salzberg,
• 6:20
  it
• 6:20
  was
• 6:21
  a
• 6:21
  three
• 6:21
  week
• 6:21
  retreat.
• 6:22
  I
• 6:22
  think
• 6:22
  in
• 6:23
  the
• 6:23
  third
• 6:23
  week
• 6:24
  we
• 6:24
  learned
• 6:24
  equanimity.
• 6:26
  And
• 6:26
  at
• 6:26
  the
• 6:26
  time
• 6:27
  we
• 6:28
  were
• 6:28
  taught
• 6:28
  it
• 6:28
  in
• 6:29
  a
• 6:29
  very
• 6:29
  specific
• 6:30
  way
• 6:31
  that
• 6:31
  I
• 6:31
  think
• 6:32
  is
• 6:33
  kind
• 6:33
  of
• 6:34
  particular
• 6:35
  to
• 6:35
  a
• 6:36
  Theravadan
• 6:36
  Buddhist
• 6:37
  approach
• 6:37
  to
• 6:37
  equanimity,
• 6:39
  as
• 6:39
  far
• 6:39
  as
• 6:39
  I've
• 6:39
  been
• 6:40
  able
• 6:40
  to
• 6:40
  tell
• 6:40
  since.
• 6:41
  And
• 6:42
  that
• 6:42
  experience
• 6:43
  was
• 6:44
  very
• 6:44
  profound
• 6:45
  for
• 6:45
  me.
• 6:46
  I
• 6:46
  wrote
• 6:46
  about
• 6:46
  it
• 6:47
  in
• 6:47
  the
• 6:47
  first
• 6:48
  chapter
• 6:48
  of
• 6:48
  my
• 6:48
  book.
• 6:49
  And
• 6:50
  I
• 6:50
  don't
• 6:50
  know
• 6:50
  how
• 6:51
  detailed
• 6:52
  you
• 6:52
  want
• 6:53
  me
• 6:53
  to
• 6:53
  get
• 6:53
  into
• 6:53
  it
• 6:54
  here,
• 6:54
  John,
• 6:55
  but
• 6:56
  that
• 6:56
  was
• 6:56
  my
• 6:56
  first
• 6:57
  encounter
• 6:57
  with
• 6:57
  equanimity.
• 6:58
  And
• 6:59
  it
• 6:59
  definitely
• 7:01
  set
• 7:01
  things
• 7:01
  in
• 7:02
  motion
• 7:02
  in
• 7:03
  terms
• 7:03
  of
• 7:03
  a
• 7:03
  lifelong
• 7:05
  interest
• 7:05
  in
• 7:06
  it
• 7:06
  and
• 7:07
  also
• 7:07
  an
• 7:07
  appreciation
• 7:08
  of
• 7:08
  the
• 7:09
  power
• 7:09
  of
• 7:09
  it.
• 7:10
  It
• 7:10
  must
• 7:10
  have
• 7:11
  been
• 7:11
  very
• 7:11
  powerful
• 7:11
  experience.
• 7:12
  And
• 7:12
  I
• 7:12
  find
• 7:12
  that
• 7:13
  often
• 7:13
  the
• 7:13
  universe
• 7:14
  works
• 7:14
  that
• 7:14
  way,
• 7:14
  that
• 7:16
  people,
• 7:16
  when
• 7:16
  they
• 7:16
  have
• 7:16
  something
• 7:17
  to
• 7:17
  teach,
• 7:17
  they
• 7:17
  have
• 7:17
  a
• 7:18
  very
• 7:18
  powerful
• 7:18
  initiation
• 7:19
  of
• 7:20
  what
• 7:20
  they're
• 7:20
  going
• 7:20
  to
• 7:20
  teach.
• 7:21
  So
• 7:21
  what
• 7:21
  does
• 7:21
  that
• 7:21
  actually
• 7:22
  feel
• 7:22
  like
• 7:22
  when
• 7:22
  you
• 7:22
  experience
• 7:23
  that?
• 7:24
  Yes,
• 7:25
  I
• 7:25
  agree
• 7:25
  with
• 7:26
  you
• 7:26
  completely.
• 7:27
  So
• 7:27
  in
• 7:27
  this
• 7:28
  case,
• 7:29
  the
• 7:30
  way
• 7:30
  that
• 7:30
  we
• 7:31
  were
• 7:31
  taught
• 7:31
  equanimity
• 7:33
  was
• 7:33
  to
• 7:33
  work
• 7:34
  with
• 7:34
  certain
• 7:35
  phrases.
• 7:36
  And
• 7:37
  the
• 7:37
  phrases
• 7:38
  were
• 7:39
  basically,
• 7:41
  I
• 7:41
  wish
• 7:42
  for
• 7:42
  you
• 7:42
  to
• 7:43
  be
• 7:43
  happy,
• 7:45
  while
• 7:45
  at
• 7:45
  the
• 7:45
  same
• 7:46
  time
• 7:46
  recognizing
• 7:47
  that
• 7:48
  your
• 7:48
  happiness
• 7:49
  depends
• 7:50
  on
• 7:50
  your
• 7:52
  thoughts
• 7:53
  and
• 7:53
  actions
• 7:55
  and
• 7:55
  not
• 7:55
  on
• 7:55
  my
• 7:56
  wishes
• 7:56
  for
• 7:56
  you.
• 7:58
  And
• 7:58
  what
• 7:59
  was
• 7:59
  radical
• 8:00
  about
• 8:00
  that
• 8:01
  was
• 8:01
  understanding
• 8:02
  for
• 8:03
  the
• 8:03
  first
• 8:03
  time
• 8:04
  that
• 8:05
  that
• 8:06
  recognizing
• 8:07
  that
• 8:07
  I
• 8:08
  don't
• 8:08
  have
• 8:08
  control
• 8:09
  over
• 8:09
  the
• 8:10
  happiness
• 8:10
  of
• 8:10
  my
• 8:11
  loved
• 8:11
  ones
• 8:12
  doesn't
• 8:13
  mean
• 8:13
  forsaking
• 8:14
  my
• 8:14
  love
• 8:14
  for
• 8:14
  them
• 8:15
  or
• 8:15
  becoming
• 8:16
  indifferent
• 8:17
  or
• 8:18
  detached
• 8:18
  from
• 8:19
  them.
• 8:20
  And
• 8:20
  for
• 8:20
  me
• 8:20
  personally,
• 8:22
  this
• 8:22
  happened
• 8:22
  as
• 8:22
  it
• 8:23
  often
• 8:23
  does
• 8:23
  on
• 8:23
  retreat.
• 8:24
  You
• 8:24
  know,
• 8:24
  I'd
• 8:25
  been
• 8:25
  working
• 8:25
  with
• 8:25
  the
• 8:26
  phrases
• 8:27
  in
• 8:27
  meditation
• 8:28
  and
• 8:28
  formal
• 8:29
  meditation
• 8:29
  over
• 8:30
  and
• 8:30
  over
• 8:30
  and
• 8:30
  over
• 8:30
  again.
• 8:32
  And
• 8:32
  it
• 8:32
  wasn't
• 8:32
  until
• 8:33
  I
• 8:33
  went
• 8:33
  walking
• 8:34
  in
• 8:34
  the
• 8:34
  desert
• 8:35
  early
• 8:35
  one
• 8:35
  morning
• 8:36
  and
• 8:37
  the
• 8:37
  phrases
• 8:37
  were
• 8:38
  just
• 8:38
  kind
• 8:38
  of
• 8:38
  floating
• 8:39
  around
• 8:39
  in
• 8:39
  my
• 8:39
  head.
• 8:40
  You
• 8:40
  know,
• 8:41
  we
• 8:41
  direct
• 8:41
  them
• 8:41
  to
• 8:41
  different
• 8:42
  groups
• 8:42
  of
• 8:42
  people.
• 8:44
  And
• 8:44
  this
• 8:44
  image
• 8:45
  of
• 8:45
  my
• 8:45
  mother
• 8:46
  came
• 8:46
  up.
• 8:47
  And
• 8:49
  my
• 8:49
  mother
• 8:50
  had
• 8:50
  a
• 8:50
  lot
• 8:50
  of
• 8:50
  problems.
• 8:51
  She
• 8:52
  was
• 8:52
  very
• 8:52
  depressed,
• 8:53
  she
• 8:54
  had
• 8:55
  different
• 8:56
  kinds
• 8:56
  of
• 8:56
  mental
• 8:57
  illness.
• 8:58
  And
• 8:59
  she
• 8:59
  really
• 9:00
  depended
• 9:00
  on
• 9:01
  me
• 9:01
  for
• 9:01
  her
• 9:01
  well
• 9:02
  being
• 9:02
  from
• 9:03
  a
• 9:03
  very,
• 9:03
  very
• 9:04
  young
• 9:04
  age.
• 9:05
  And
• 9:06
  I
• 9:06
  didn't
• 9:07
  appreciate
• 9:08
  that
• 9:08
  or
• 9:08
  really
• 9:09
  understand
• 9:10
  the
• 9:10
  burden
• 9:11
  of
• 9:11
  that
• 9:11
  until
• 9:12
  that
• 9:12
  moment
• 9:12
  in
• 9:12
  the
• 9:13
  desert
• 9:14
  when
• 9:15
  a
• 9:15
  thought
• 9:15
  of
• 9:15
  my
• 9:15
  mother
• 9:16
  came.
• 9:16
  Actually,
• 9:17
  I
• 9:17
  feel
• 9:17
  emotional
• 9:18
  just
• 9:18
  sharing
• 9:19
  it
• 9:19
  with
• 9:19
  you
• 9:19
  right
• 9:20
  now.
• 9:20
  I
• 9:20
  can
• 9:20
  feel
• 9:21
  the
• 9:21
  impact
• 9:21
  of
• 9:22
  it.
• 9:22
  A
• 9:23
  thought
• 9:23
  of
• 9:23
  my
• 9:23
  mother
• 9:24
  came
• 9:26
  and
• 9:26
  the
• 9:26
  phrase
• 9:27
  came
• 9:27
  up.
• 9:28
  Your
• 9:28
  happiness
• 9:30
  and
• 9:31
  unhappiness
• 9:32
  are
• 9:33
  the
• 9:33
  result
• 9:34
  of
• 9:34
  your
• 9:35
  thoughts
• 9:35
  and
• 9:35
  your
• 9:36
  actions
• 9:36
  and
• 9:37
  not
• 9:37
  my
• 9:37
  wishes
• 9:38
  for
• 9:38
  you.
• 9:39
  And
• 9:40
  somehow
• 9:40
  in
• 9:41
  that
• 9:41
  moment,
• 9:42
  I
• 9:42
  understood
• 9:44
  that
• 9:44
  I
• 9:44
  could
• 9:44
  not
• 9:45
  make
• 9:45
  my
• 9:45
  mother
• 9:45
  happy.
• 9:47
  And
• 9:47
  I
• 9:47
  had
• 9:47
  worked
• 9:48
  Very
• 9:48
  hard
• 9:49
  at
• 9:49
  that
• 9:50
  for
• 9:50
  a
• 9:50
  long,
• 9:50
  long
• 9:51
  time.
• 9:52
  And
• 9:52
  the
• 9:53
  relief
• 9:53
  was
• 9:54
  so
• 9:54
  profound
• 9:55
  in
• 9:56
  that
• 9:56
  moment.
• 9:56
  It
• 9:56
  was
• 9:57
  so
• 9:57
  unbelievably
• 9:58
  profound.
• 9:59
  Because
• 10:00
  I
• 10:00
  think
• 10:00
  up
• 10:01
  until
• 10:01
  that
• 10:01
  moment,
• 10:02
  it
• 10:02
  felt
• 10:04
  somehow
• 10:04
  disloyal
• 10:06
  for
• 10:06
  me
• 10:07
  to
• 10:07
  let
• 10:07
  go
• 10:08
  of
• 10:08
  that
• 10:08
  responsibility.
• 10:10
  It
• 10:10
  felt
• 10:10
  like
• 10:11
  a
• 10:12
  binary,
• 10:13
  like
• 10:13
  a
• 10:13
  dichotomy.
• 10:14
  If
• 10:14
  I
• 10:14
  loved
• 10:15
  her,
• 10:15
  then
• 10:16
  I
• 10:16
  would
• 10:16
  take
• 10:16
  this
• 10:16
  on.
• 10:17
  And
• 10:17
  if
• 10:17
  I
• 10:17
  let
• 10:17
  go,
• 10:18
  that
• 10:19
  meant
• 10:19
  somehow
• 10:20
  I
• 10:20
  didn't
• 10:20
  love
• 10:21
  her
• 10:21
  enough.
• 10:21
  I
• 10:21
  wasn't
• 10:22
  a
• 10:22
  good
• 10:22
  daughter.
• 10:23
  I
• 10:23
  failed.
• 10:24
  So
• 10:25
  that
• 10:25
  was
• 10:25
  a
• 10:26
  very,
• 10:26
  very
• 10:26
  powerful
• 10:27
  moment
• 10:27
  for
• 10:27
  me.
• 10:31
  Beautiful
• 10:31
  story.
• 10:32
  Yeah,
• 10:34
  thanks
• 10:34
  so
• 10:34
  much
• 10:34
  for
• 10:35
  sharing
• 10:35
  that.
• 10:37
  So
• 10:37
  what
• 10:37
  I
• 10:38
  get
• 10:38
  from
• 10:38
  that
• 10:38
  and
• 10:39
  from
• 10:39
  my
• 10:39
  own
• 10:40
  experience
• 10:40
  with
• 10:40
  this
• 10:41
  practice
• 10:41
  is
• 10:41
  there's
• 10:42
  something
• 10:42
  freeing
• 10:43
  about
• 10:43
  this
• 10:44
  practice.
• 10:45
  We
• 10:45
  carry
• 10:45
  these
• 10:46
  often
• 10:46
  unconscious
• 10:47
  beliefs
• 10:47
  that
• 10:48
  we're
• 10:48
  responsible
• 10:49
  for
• 10:49
  other
• 10:49
  people.
• 10:50
  And
• 10:51
  you
• 10:51
  drew
• 10:51
  a
• 10:51
  beautiful
• 10:52
  distinction
• 10:53
  between
• 10:54
  letting
• 10:55
  go,
• 10:55
  the
• 10:55
  feeling
• 10:55
  of
• 10:56
  responsibility
• 10:57
  or
• 10:57
  should,
• 10:57
  and
• 10:58
  guilt,
• 10:58
  etcetera,
• 10:59
  from
• 11:00
  the
• 11:01
  love
• 11:01
  and
• 11:01
  care
• 11:02
  that
• 11:02
  the
• 11:02
  love
• 11:02
  and
• 11:02
  care
• 11:04
  can
• 11:04
  be
• 11:05
  there
• 11:06
  while
• 11:06
  maintaining
• 11:07
  a
• 11:07
  greater
• 11:07
  equanimity
• 11:08
  in
• 11:08
  the
• 11:09
  relationship
• 11:09
  and
• 11:10
  recognizing
• 11:10
  that,
• 11:11
  you
• 11:11
  know,
• 11:12
  we
• 11:12
  can't
• 11:12
  control
• 11:13
  how
• 11:13
  others
• 11:13
  feel.
• 11:15
  We
• 11:15
  can
• 11:15
  contribute,
• 11:16
  but
• 11:16
  we
• 11:16
  can't
• 11:16
  control.
• 11:17
  Yes,
• 11:17
  absolutely.
• 11:18
  I
• 11:19
  think
• 11:20
  as
• 11:20
  I
• 11:21
  began
• 11:21
  to
• 11:22
  explore
• 11:22
  equanimity,
• 11:24
  what
• 11:24
  became
• 11:25
  more
• 11:25
  and
• 11:25
  more
• 11:26
  important
• 11:26
  to
• 11:27
  me
• 11:27
  to
• 11:28
  communicate
• 11:29
  in
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  book
• 11:30
  and
• 11:31
  what
• 11:32
  really
• 11:32
  deepened
• 11:33
  my
• 11:33
  appreciation
• 11:34
  for
• 11:34
  this
• 11:35
  virtue,
• 11:35
  this
• 11:36
  quality,
• 11:38
  was
• 11:39
  threading
• 11:39
  this
• 11:39
  needle,
• 11:40
  finding
• 11:40
  this
• 11:41
  way
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  deepen
• 11:43
  our
• 11:43
  love
• 11:44
  without
• 11:45
  attachment.
• 11:46
  And
• 11:47
  I
• 11:47
  think
• 11:48
  in
• 11:48
  some
• 11:48
  way,
• 11:48
  we
• 11:49
  all
• 11:49
  long
• 11:49
  for
• 11:50
  that,
• 11:51
  and
• 11:51
  we
• 11:51
  aren't
• 11:52
  given
• 11:53
  a
• 11:53
  way
• 11:53
  to
• 11:54
  do
• 11:54
  that.
• 11:55
  And
• 11:56
  in
• 11:56
  this
• 11:56
  particular
• 11:57
  moment,
• 11:58
  I
• 11:58
  know
• 11:59
  for
• 11:59
  myself,
• 12:00
  my
• 12:02
  emotions
• 12:03
  are
• 12:03
  being
• 12:04
  pulled
• 12:05
  and
• 12:06
  hijacked
• 12:06
  and
• 12:07
  activated.
• 12:08
  And
• 12:09
  it
• 12:10
  seems
• 12:10
  often
• 12:11
  like
• 12:11
  the
• 12:12
  only
• 12:12
  option
• 12:12
  we
• 12:13
  have
• 12:13
  is
• 12:13
  to
• 12:13
  cut
• 12:14
  off
• 12:14
  or
• 12:14
  shut
• 12:15
  down.
• 12:16
  You
• 12:16
  know,
• 12:16
  how
• 12:16
  do
• 12:16
  we
• 12:17
  still
• 12:18
  care
• 12:18
  about
• 12:18
  this
• 12:19
  world
• 12:20
  that
• 12:20
  is
• 12:20
  in
• 12:20
  so
• 12:21
  much
• 12:21
  trouble?
• 12:22
  How
• 12:22
  do
• 12:23
  we
• 12:23
  still
• 12:23
  care
• 12:23
  about
• 12:24
  one
• 12:25
  another
• 12:26
  when
• 12:26
  we're
• 12:26
  so
• 12:27
  polarized
• 12:28
  in
• 12:28
  this
• 12:28
  particular
• 12:29
  moment?
• 12:30
  How
• 12:30
  do
• 12:30
  we
• 12:31
  continue
• 12:32
  caring
• 12:33
  without
• 12:33
  feeling
• 12:34
  overwhelmed?
• 12:35
  And
• 12:35
  to
• 12:35
  me,
• 12:36
  the
• 12:36
  answer
• 12:36
  to
• 12:37
  that
• 12:37
  is
• 12:37
  equanimity.
• 12:39
  And
• 12:40
  how
• 12:40
  do
• 12:40
  we
• 12:41
  help
• 12:41
  others?
• 12:41
  For
• 12:42
  example,
• 12:42
  the
• 12:42
  other
• 12:42
  day
• 12:42
  my
• 12:43
  wife
• 12:43
  came
• 12:43
  in
• 12:44
  my
• 12:44
  office.
• 12:44
  She
• 12:44
  sat
• 12:45
  down,
• 12:45
  she
• 12:45
  started
• 12:45
  weeping,
• 12:45
  you
• 12:46
  know,
• 12:46
  And
• 12:46
  I
• 12:46
  said,
• 12:46
  oh,
• 12:46
  somebody
• 12:47
  in
• 12:47
  the
• 12:47
  family
• 12:47
  died.
• 12:48
  And
• 12:48
  now
• 12:48
  she's
• 12:49
  just
• 12:49
  been
• 12:49
  reading
• 12:49
  the
• 12:49
  news
• 12:50
  and
• 12:50
  she
• 12:50
  just,
• 12:50
  I
• 12:51
  can't
• 12:51
  take
• 12:51
  this.
• 12:51
  And
• 12:52
  so,
• 12:52
  you
• 12:52
  know,
• 12:53
  I
• 12:53
  was
• 12:53
  trained
• 12:53
  as
• 12:53
  a
• 12:54
  therapist,
• 12:54
  so
• 12:54
  I
• 12:54
  just
• 12:54
  sat
• 12:55
  there.
• 12:55
  But,
• 12:56
  yeah.
• 12:56
  And
• 12:56
  interested
• 12:57
  how
• 12:57
  we
• 12:57
  can.
• 12:58
  We
• 12:58
  can
• 12:58
  also
• 12:58
  help
• 12:58
  others
• 12:59
  because
• 12:59
  it's
• 12:59
  a
• 12:59
  common
• 13:00
  issue
• 13:00
  right
• 13:01
  now
• 13:01
  in
• 13:01
  our
• 13:01
  time.
• 13:01
  There's
• 13:02
  so
• 13:02
  much
• 13:02
  going
• 13:02
  on,
• 13:03
  and
• 13:03
  it's
• 13:03
  like
• 13:04
  the
• 13:05
  daily
• 13:05
  abomination.
• 13:06
  I
• 13:06
  thought
• 13:06
  saying
• 13:07
  that,
• 13:07
  you
• 13:07
  know,
• 13:07
  every
• 13:07
  time
• 13:08
  you
• 13:08
  open
• 13:08
  the
• 13:08
  news
• 13:08
  cycle.
• 13:09
  Yeah,
• 13:10
  there's
• 13:10
  just
• 13:10
  something
• 13:10
  New,
• 13:11
  that's
• 13:11
  so
• 13:12
  we
• 13:12
  can
• 13:12
  either
• 13:12
  numb
• 13:13
  out,
• 13:14
  right?
• 13:14
  Dissociate.
• 13:15
  I
• 13:15
  meet
• 13:16
  people.
• 13:16
  I
• 13:17
  don't
• 13:17
  do
• 13:17
  politics.
• 13:17
  You
• 13:18
  know,
• 13:18
  I
• 13:18
  just
• 13:18
  do
• 13:19
  my
• 13:19
  job.
• 13:19
  I
• 13:19
  don't
• 13:19
  pay
• 13:20
  attention
• 13:20
  to
• 13:20
  it.
• 13:21
  So
• 13:21
  how
• 13:21
  can
• 13:21
  we
• 13:23
  not
• 13:23
  be
• 13:23
  chickens,
• 13:24
  not
• 13:24
  be
• 13:25
  overwhelmed,
• 13:26
  but
• 13:26
  heroically
• 13:27
  respond
• 13:27
  to
• 13:27
  the
• 13:27
  times
• 13:28
  that
• 13:28
  we
• 13:28
  live
• 13:28
  in?
• 13:29
  Yeah,
• 13:29
  that's
• 13:30
  really
• 13:31
  the
• 13:31
  question
• 13:31
  of
• 13:31
  the
• 13:31
  moment.
• 13:32
  It's
• 13:32
  a
• 13:32
  big
• 13:32
  question,
• 13:33
  and
• 13:34
  it's
• 13:34
  tempting
• 13:35
  to
• 13:35
  give
• 13:36
  a
• 13:36
  single
• 13:36
  answer
• 13:37
  to
• 13:37
  that.
• 13:37
  And
• 13:37
  of
• 13:38
  course
• 13:38
  there
• 13:38
  isn't
• 13:38
  one.
• 13:39
  And,
• 13:40
  you
• 13:40
  know,
• 13:40
  that's
• 13:41
  always
• 13:41
  the
• 13:41
  dilemma.
• 13:42
  As
• 13:43
  the
• 13:43
  meditation
• 13:43
  teacher,
• 13:44
  which
• 13:44
  I'm
• 13:45
  sure
• 13:45
  Roger
• 13:45
  knows
• 13:46
  well,
• 13:46
  that
• 13:47
  there's
• 13:47
  never
• 13:48
  a
• 13:48
  one
• 13:48
  size
• 13:48
  fits
• 13:49
  all
• 13:49
  answer
• 13:51
  because
• 13:51
  we're
• 13:51
  all
• 13:51
  so
• 13:51
  different.
• 13:52
  And
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  moments
• 13:52
  change
• 13:53
  from
• 13:53
  moment
• 13:54
  to
• 13:54
  moment,
• 13:54
  and
• 13:54
  our
• 13:55
  bandwidth
• 13:56
  changes.
• 13:56
  Our
• 13:57
  capacities
• 13:57
  change
• 13:59
  depending
• 13:59
  on
• 14:00
  whether
• 14:00
  we've
• 14:00
  slept
• 14:01
  well
• 14:01
  or,
• 14:02
  you
• 14:03
  know,
• 14:03
  there's
• 14:03
  so
• 14:04
  many
• 14:04
  variables
• 14:05
  that
• 14:05
  affect
• 14:05
  our
• 14:06
  capacity.
• 14:07
  So
• 14:08
  my
• 14:09
  temptation
• 14:10
  from
• 14:10
  the
• 14:10
  equanimity
• 14:11
  perspective
• 14:13
  is
• 14:13
  to
• 14:13
  invite
• 14:14
  everyone
• 14:14
  to
• 14:15
  feel
• 14:15
  it
• 14:15
  all
• 14:15
  and
• 14:16
  to
• 14:16
  not
• 14:16
  be
• 14:16
  afraid
• 14:18
  and
• 14:18
  to
• 14:19
  allow
• 14:20
  emotion
• 14:21
  to
• 14:21
  move
• 14:21
  through
• 14:22
  you,
• 14:23
  to
• 14:23
  expand
• 14:24
  your
• 14:24
  capacity
• 14:25
  to
• 14:26
  feel,
• 14:26
  to
• 14:27
  widen
• 14:27
  what
• 14:28
  Dan
• 14:28
  Siegel
• 14:29
  calls
• 14:30
  the
• 14:30
  window
• 14:30
  of
• 14:30
  tolerance,
• 14:32
  to
• 14:32
  trust
• 14:32
  that
• 14:33
  the
• 14:33
  nature
• 14:34
  of
• 14:34
  emotion
• 14:34
  is
• 14:35
  to
• 14:35
  change,
• 14:36
  to
• 14:36
  trust
• 14:37
  in
• 14:37
  fundamental
• 14:38
  impermanence,
• 14:39
  to
• 14:39
  ride
• 14:40
  the
• 14:40
  waves.
• 14:41
  But
• 14:41
  I
• 14:42
  think,
• 14:42
  in
• 14:43
  fact,
• 14:43
  that
• 14:43
  answer
• 14:44
  is
• 14:44
  a
• 14:44
  little
• 14:44
  bit
• 14:44
  too
• 14:45
  simple.
• 14:46
  You
• 14:46
  know,
• 14:47
  and
• 14:47
  I.
• 14:47
  I
• 14:48
  did
• 14:48
  support
• 14:48
  groups
• 14:49
  with
• 14:49
  cancer
• 14:49
  patients
• 14:50
  for
• 14:50
  30
• 14:50
  years,
• 14:51
  and
• 14:52
  I
• 14:53
  really
• 14:53
  learned
• 14:54
  from
• 14:54
  the
• 14:54
  cancer
• 14:55
  patients
• 14:55
  that,
• 14:56
  you
• 14:57
  know,
• 14:57
  different
• 14:57
  strategies
• 14:58
  work
• 14:58
  at
• 14:59
  different
• 14:59
  times.
• 15:00
  And
• 15:00
  I
• 15:00
  think,
• 15:01
  just
• 15:01
  as
• 15:01
  you
• 15:01
  said,
• 15:02
  John,
• 15:02
  given
• 15:03
  the
• 15:03
  news
• 15:03
  cycle
• 15:04
  and
• 15:04
  the
• 15:04
  daily
• 15:05
  assault,
• 15:06
  and
• 15:07
  on
• 15:07
  top
• 15:07
  of
• 15:07
  that,
• 15:08
  it's
• 15:08
  not
• 15:08
  only
• 15:09
  the
• 15:09
  daily
• 15:09
  assault
• 15:10
  of
• 15:10
  the
• 15:10
  news
• 15:10
  cycle,
• 15:11
  but
• 15:11
  it's
• 15:11
  also
• 15:13
  social
• 15:14
  media
• 15:14
  and
• 15:15
  algorithms
• 15:16
  and
• 15:17
  a
• 15:18
  lot
• 15:18
  of
• 15:18
  unique
• 15:19
  things
• 15:19
  that
• 15:20
  come
• 15:20
  together
• 15:22
  to
• 15:23
  impose
• 15:23
  on
• 15:24
  our
• 15:24
  psyches
• 15:24
  and
• 15:25
  nervous
• 15:25
  systems
• 15:25
  in
• 15:26
  unprecedented
• 15:27
  ways.
• 15:28
  In
• 15:28
  this
• 15:29
  particular
• 15:29
  moment,
• 15:30
  I
• 15:31
  do
• 15:31
  think
• 15:31
  we
• 15:31
  have
• 15:32
  to
• 15:32
  give
• 15:32
  ourselves
• 15:33
  room
• 15:33
  occasionally
• 15:34
  to
• 15:35
  check
• 15:35
  out.
• 15:36
  So
• 15:36
  I'm
• 15:37
  not
• 15:37
  going
• 15:37
  to
• 15:37
  be
• 15:37
  the
• 15:38
  equanimity
• 15:40
  proselytizer.
• 15:41
  Fully
• 15:42
  feel
• 15:42
  it
• 15:42
  all,
• 15:42
  all
• 15:43
  the
• 15:43
  time.
• 15:44
  I
• 15:44
  love
• 15:44
  my
• 15:45
  detective
• 15:45
  mysteries,
• 15:47
  and
• 15:47
  I
• 15:47
  like
• 15:48
  to
• 15:48
  have
• 15:48
  a
• 15:48
  glass
• 15:49
  of
• 15:49
  wine
• 15:49
  with
• 15:50
  friends.
• 15:51
  And
• 15:51
  I
• 15:51
  have
• 15:51
  a
• 15:51
  very
• 15:52
  close
• 15:52
  friend
• 15:53
  I
• 15:53
  admire
• 15:54
  deeply
• 15:55
  who
• 15:55
  stopped
• 15:56
  reading
• 15:56
  the
• 15:56
  newspaper
• 15:57
  after
• 15:58
  the
• 15:58
  election,
• 16:00
  and
• 16:00
  that
• 16:01
  works
• 16:01
  for
• 16:01
  him,
• 16:02
  and
• 16:02
  I
• 16:03
  would
• 16:03
  never
• 16:04
  suggest
• 16:04
  that
• 16:05
  he
• 16:05
  do
• 16:05
  otherwise.
• 16:06
  So
• 16:06
  I
• 16:06
  do
• 16:07
  think
• 16:07
  we
• 16:07
  need
• 16:07
  to
• 16:08
  get
• 16:08
  creative
• 16:08
  in
• 16:09
  these
• 16:09
  times
• 16:10
  to
• 16:11
  honor
• 16:12
  what's
• 16:12
  possible
• 16:13
  for
• 16:13
  us.
• 16:14
  So
• 16:15
  from
• 16:15
  the
• 16:16
  perspective
• 16:16
  of
• 16:16
  equanimity,
• 16:18
  there
• 16:18
  is
• 16:19
  the
• 16:19
  possibility
• 16:20
  of
• 16:20
  opening
• 16:21
  to
• 16:21
  everything
• 16:23
  that's
• 16:24
  possible.
• 16:24
  We
• 16:24
  can
• 16:25
  do
• 16:25
  that.
• 16:26
  But
• 16:26
  I
• 16:27
  think
• 16:27
  the
• 16:27
  reality
• 16:28
  is,
• 16:28
  from
• 16:28
  moment
• 16:29
  to
• 16:29
  moment,
• 16:29
  we
• 16:30
  need
• 16:30
  to
• 16:30
  be
• 16:30
  wise
• 16:31
  and
• 16:31
  discerning
• 16:32
  about
• 16:34
  whether
• 16:34
  we
• 16:35
  become
• 16:35
  overwhelmed
• 16:36
  by
• 16:36
  it.
• 16:37
  And
• 16:37
  at
• 16:38
  times,
• 16:38
  the
• 16:38
  Right
• 16:39
  answer
• 16:39
  is,
• 16:40
  you
• 16:41
  know,
• 16:41
  going
• 16:41
  out
• 16:42
  in
• 16:42
  the
• 16:42
  garden,
• 16:43
  taking
• 16:44
  a
• 16:44
  walk
• 16:44
  with
• 16:44
  friends,
• 16:45
  cutting
• 16:46
  down
• 16:46
  on
• 16:47
  the
• 16:47
  news.
• 16:48
  You
• 16:48
  know,
• 16:50
  sometimes
• 16:50
  the
• 16:50
  right
• 16:51
  answer
• 16:51
  is
• 16:51
  really
• 16:52
  titration.
• 16:54
  Yeah.
• 16:55
  The
• 16:55
  day
• 16:55
  after
• 16:55
  the
• 16:55
  election,
• 16:56
  this
• 16:56
  latest
• 16:56
  one,
• 16:57
  I
• 16:57
  went
• 16:57
  out
• 16:58
  in
• 16:58
  the
• 16:58
  desert
• 16:59
  with
• 16:59
  my
• 16:59
  dog
• 17:00
  and
• 17:00
  my
• 17:00
  old
• 17:01
  pickup
• 17:01
  truck
• 17:01
  and
• 17:02
  boy,
• 17:02
  did
• 17:02
  that
• 17:02
  help.
• 17:03
  I
• 17:03
  was
• 17:03
  amazed.
• 17:04
  It
• 17:04
  seemed
• 17:04
  like
• 17:05
  nature
• 17:06
  was
• 17:06
  just
• 17:06
  a
• 17:06
  sponge
• 17:07
  just
• 17:07
  taking
• 17:07
  all
• 17:07
  my
• 17:08
  grief
• 17:08
  and
• 17:08
  my
• 17:08
  anger
• 17:08
  and
• 17:09
  confusion
• 17:09
  just
• 17:09
  right
• 17:10
  out.
• 17:10
  And
• 17:10
  I.
• 17:11
  I
• 17:11
  got
• 17:11
  to
• 17:11
  a
• 17:11
  place
• 17:11
  of
• 17:12
  equanimity.
• 17:12
  It
• 17:12
  was
• 17:13
  almost
• 17:13
  miraculous.
• 17:15
  Absolutely.
• 17:16
  And
• 17:16
  I
• 17:16
  think
• 17:17
  in
• 17:17
  some
• 17:17
  ways
• 17:17
  this
• 17:18
  points
• 17:18
  to
• 17:19
  a
• 17:19
  wider
• 17:20
  kind
• 17:20
  of
• 17:21
  deeper
• 17:23
  definition
• 17:23
  of
• 17:23
  equanimity,
• 17:24
  which
• 17:25
  is
• 17:25
  basically
• 17:25
  wisdom.
• 17:27
  I
• 17:27
  mean,
• 17:27
  this
• 17:27
  is
• 17:27
  something
• 17:28
  Roger
• 17:28
  can
• 17:29
  speak
• 17:29
  to
• 17:30
  really
• 17:30
  better
• 17:30
  than
• 17:31
  I
• 17:31
  can.
• 17:31
  But
• 17:33
  equanimity
• 17:34
  is
• 17:35
  wisdom
• 17:36
  and
• 17:36
  wisdom
• 17:37
  is
• 17:37
  equanimity.
• 17:38
  They
• 17:39
  do
• 17:39
  inform
• 17:40
  each
• 17:40
  other
• 17:40
  and
• 17:40
  they
• 17:41
  are
• 17:41
  so
• 17:42
  closely
• 17:43
  related.
• 17:44
  So
• 17:45
  in
• 17:45
  a
• 17:45
  moment
• 17:46
  of
• 17:47
  overwhelm,
• 17:49
  wisdom
• 17:50
  or
• 17:51
  equanimity
• 17:52
  suggests
• 17:53
  maybe
• 17:54
  in
• 17:54
  this
• 17:54
  moment
• 17:55
  not
• 17:56
  opening
• 17:57
  to
• 17:57
  the
• 17:57
  full
• 17:58
  flood
• 17:58
  of
• 17:58
  feelings
• 17:59
  and
• 17:59
  instead
• 18:00
  practicing
• 18:01
  some
• 18:01
  self
• 18:02
  care.
• 18:03
  So
• 18:03
  we
• 18:03
  might
• 18:04
  say
• 18:04
  in
• 18:05
  a
• 18:05
  way
• 18:06
  that
• 18:06
  is
• 18:06
  an
• 18:06
  equanimous
• 18:07
  response.
• 18:08
  At
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  same
• 18:09
  time,
• 18:11
  something
• 18:11
  I
• 18:11
  argue
• 18:12
  for
• 18:12
  in
• 18:12
  the
• 18:12
  book,
• 18:13
  and
• 18:13
  this
• 18:13
  is
• 18:13
  part
• 18:13
  of
• 18:14
  the.
• 18:14
  I
• 18:14
  think
• 18:15
  the
• 18:15
  subtlety
• 18:15
  and
• 18:16
  complexity
• 18:16
  of
• 18:17
  equanimity
• 18:18
  is
• 18:18
  that
• 18:19
  equanimity
• 18:19
  is
• 18:20
  big
• 18:20
  enough
• 18:20
  to
• 18:21
  include
• 18:22
  our
• 18:22
  broken
• 18:23
  hearts.
• 18:25
  That
• 18:25
  despair
• 18:26
  is
• 18:27
  not
• 18:28
  necessarily
• 18:29
  separate
• 18:30
  from
• 18:30
  equanimity.
• 18:31
  That
• 18:31
  we
• 18:32
  can
• 18:32
  hold
• 18:34
  a
• 18:34
  vision
• 18:34
  of
• 18:34
  equanimity
• 18:35
  that
• 18:36
  is
• 18:36
  completely
• 18:37
  inclusive
• 18:38
  of
• 18:38
  the
• 18:38
  human
• 18:38
  experience.
• 18:41
  And
• 18:41
  in
• 18:42
  a
• 18:42
  sense
• 18:42
  where
• 18:43
  it
• 18:44
  becomes
• 18:45
  different
• 18:46
  is
• 18:46
  when
• 18:47
  we
• 18:47
  get
• 18:47
  lost
• 18:48
  in
• 18:48
  that
• 18:49
  somehow
• 18:50
  forgetting
• 18:51
  that
• 18:51
  this
• 18:52
  is
• 18:52
  part
• 18:52
  of
• 18:52
  being
• 18:53
  human.
• 18:54
  That
• 18:54
  when
• 18:55
  we
• 18:55
  lose
• 18:56
  that
• 18:57
  wedge
• 18:57
  of
• 18:58
  spaciousness
• 18:59
  that
• 19:00
  is
• 19:00
  equanimity,
• 19:01
  and
• 19:01
  we
• 19:01
  collapse
• 19:02
  fully
• 19:03
  into
• 19:04
  whatever
• 19:04
  that
• 19:04
  experience
• 19:05
  is
• 19:06
  until
• 19:06
  we
• 19:07
  get
• 19:07
  back
• 19:08
  some
• 19:08
  degree
• 19:09
  of
• 19:09
  perspective.
• 19:10
  That's
• 19:10
  when
• 19:10
  we
• 19:10
  lose
• 19:10
  equanimity.
• 19:11
  But
• 19:12
  we
• 19:12
  can
• 19:12
  be
• 19:12
  brokenhearted
• 19:13
  and
• 19:14
  feel
• 19:15
  despair
• 19:16
  and
• 19:16
  we
• 19:17
  can
• 19:17
  feel
• 19:17
  excited
• 19:18
  and
• 19:19
  passion.
• 19:20
  You
• 19:20
  know,
• 19:21
  equanimity
• 19:21
  doesn't
• 19:22
  preclude
• 19:23
  activating
• 19:24
  emotions
• 19:25
  as
• 19:25
  well,
• 19:26
  which
• 19:26
  I
• 19:26
  think
• 19:26
  is
• 19:27
  very
• 19:27
  important
• 19:28
  to
• 19:28
  point
• 19:28
  out.
• 19:29
  And
• 19:29
  it's
• 19:29
  something
• 19:30
  people
• 19:31
  often
• 19:31
  get
• 19:31
  confused
• 19:32
  about.
• 19:36
  Let's
• 19:36
  see,
• 19:36
  there's
• 19:36
  a
• 19:37
  lot
• 19:37
  in
• 19:37
  what
• 19:37
  you've
• 19:37
  been
• 19:37
  saying,
• 19:37
  Margaret.
• 19:38
  I
• 19:38
  just
• 19:38
  want
• 19:38
  to
• 19:39
  summarize
• 19:40
  and
• 19:40
  invite
• 19:40
  you
• 19:40
  to
• 19:41
  say
• 19:42
  more
• 19:42
  because
• 19:42
  you've
• 19:43
  given
• 19:43
  us
• 19:43
  several
• 19:44
  approaches
• 19:45
  to
• 19:45
  dealing
• 19:45
  with
• 19:45
  the
• 19:46
  flood
• 19:46
  of
• 19:46
  information.
• 19:47
  And
• 19:47
  just,
• 19:48
  and
• 19:48
  by
• 19:48
  way
• 19:49
  of
• 19:49
  context,
• 19:49
  you
• 19:49
  also
• 19:50
  mentioned
• 19:50
  that
• 19:50
  it's
• 19:51
  not
• 19:51
  just
• 19:52
  the
• 19:52
  abomination
• 19:53
  of
• 19:53
  the
• 19:54
  day,
• 19:54
  to
• 19:54
  use
• 19:55
  John's
• 19:55
  great
• 19:55
  phrase,
• 19:56
  coming
• 19:56
  across
• 19:57
  the
• 19:57
  news
• 19:57
  cycle,
• 19:58
  the
• 19:58
  latest
• 19:58
  conflict,
• 19:59
  war
• 19:59
  or
• 20:00
  horror
• 20:00
  of
• 20:00
  some
• 20:01
  kind.
• 20:01
  It's
• 20:02
  also
• 20:02
  that
• 20:03
  we
• 20:03
  have
• 20:04
  multi
• 20:04
  billion
• 20:05
  dollar
• 20:05
  industries
• 20:06
  and
• 20:07
  very
• 20:07
  powerful
• 20:08
  AIs
• 20:09
  designed
• 20:10
  to
• 20:10
  counteract
• 20:11
  equanimity
• 20:13
  to
• 20:14
  elicit
• 20:15
  a
• 20:16
  very,
• 20:16
  you
• 20:16
  know,
• 20:17
  outrage,
• 20:18
  anger,
• 20:18
  righteousness,
• 20:19
  et
• 20:19
  cetera,
• 20:20
  which
• 20:20
  is
• 20:20
  so
• 20:20
  destructive.
• 20:21
  And,
• 20:22
  and
• 20:22
  actually,
• 20:23
  you
• 20:23
  know,
• 20:23
  John
• 20:23
  and
• 20:24
  I
• 20:24
  were
• 20:24
  starting
• 20:24
  doing
• 20:25
  this
• 20:25
  podcast,
• 20:26
  we
• 20:26
  hired
• 20:26
  a
• 20:26
  consultant
• 20:27
  to
• 20:27
  get
• 20:28
  to
• 20:28
  give
• 20:28
  us
• 20:28
  an
• 20:28
  education.
• 20:29
  One
• 20:30
  of
• 20:30
  the
• 20:30
  things
• 20:30
  we
• 20:30
  were
• 20:30
  told
• 20:30
  was
• 20:31
  you
• 20:31
  want
• 20:31
  to
• 20:31
  get
• 20:31
  people
• 20:31
  angry
• 20:32
  and
• 20:33
  righteousness,
• 20:34
  no,
• 20:34
  that's
• 20:35
  exactly
• 20:36
  what
• 20:36
  we
• 20:36
  don't
• 20:37
  want
• 20:37
  to
• 20:37
  do.
• 20:39
  So,
• 20:39
  so
• 20:40
  we
• 20:40
  paid
• 20:40
  money
• 20:40
  to
• 20:41
  be
• 20:41
  told
• 20:41
  we
• 20:41
  should
• 20:41
  make
• 20:42
  people
• 20:42
  angry.
• 20:44
  So.
• 20:44
  But
• 20:44
  getting
• 20:45
  back
• 20:45
  to
• 20:45
  your
• 20:45
  point
• 20:46
  that,
• 20:47
  that
• 20:47
  what
• 20:47
  we're
• 20:47
  faced
• 20:48
  with
• 20:48
  is
• 20:48
  not
• 20:49
  just
• 20:49
  the
• 20:50
  information
• 20:51
  per
• 20:51
  se,
• 20:52
  but
• 20:52
  also
• 20:52
  a
• 20:53
  multi
• 20:53
  billion
• 20:53
  dollar
• 20:53
  industry
• 20:54
  designed
• 20:55
  to
• 20:55
  destroy
• 20:55
  our
• 20:56
  equanimity
• 20:56
  and
• 20:57
  simply
• 20:58
  an
• 20:58
  information
• 20:59
  explosion
• 21:00
  that
• 21:01
  is
• 21:01
  unprecedented
• 21:02
  in
• 21:02
  human
• 21:03
  history.
• 21:03
  So
• 21:03
  we're
• 21:04
  facing
• 21:04
  all
• 21:04
  of
• 21:04
  this.
• 21:05
  And
• 21:06
  then
• 21:06
  you
• 21:06
  gave
• 21:07
  us
• 21:07
  some
• 21:08
  tools.
• 21:08
  You
• 21:08
  suggested,
• 21:09
  very
• 21:10
  importantly,
• 21:11
  titration
• 21:12
  that
• 21:13
  it
• 21:13
  really
• 21:14
  we
• 21:14
  each
• 21:14
  have
• 21:14
  to
• 21:15
  feel
• 21:15
  into
• 21:16
  how
• 21:16
  much
• 21:16
  we
• 21:17
  want
• 21:17
  to
• 21:17
  let
• 21:17
  in
• 21:18
  when
• 21:19
  and
• 21:19
  depending
• 21:20
  on
• 21:20
  how
• 21:21
  we're
• 21:21
  feeling,
• 21:21
  et
• 21:21
  cetera.
• 21:22
  You
• 21:22
  also
• 21:23
  said
• 21:23
  that
• 21:24
  implied,
• 21:25
  and
• 21:25
  I
• 21:25
  want
• 21:25
  to
• 21:26
  draw
• 21:26
  it
• 21:26
  out
• 21:26
  because
• 21:27
  you
• 21:27
  just
• 21:27
  mentioned
• 21:28
  in
• 21:28
  passing
• 21:28
  that
• 21:29
  letting
• 21:29
  it
• 21:30
  be
• 21:30
  okay
• 21:30
  to
• 21:31
  have
• 21:31
  our
• 21:31
  reactions
• 21:32
  and
• 21:32
  not
• 21:32
  judging
• 21:33
  and
• 21:33
  condemning
• 21:33
  ourselves
• 21:34
  for
• 21:34
  them.
• 21:35
  And
• 21:35
  you
• 21:35
  also
• 21:36
  talked
• 21:36
  about
• 21:36
  the
• 21:37
  importance
• 21:37
  of
• 21:37
  wise
• 21:38
  attention,
• 21:38
  where
• 21:38
  we
• 21:39
  give
• 21:39
  our
• 21:39
  attention,
• 21:40
  when
• 21:40
  you
• 21:41
  also
• 21:41
  mentioned
• 21:42
  therapeutic
• 21:43
  breaks
• 21:44
  of
• 21:44
  one
• 21:45
  kind
• 21:45
  or
• 21:45
  another,
• 21:45
  restorative
• 21:46
  activities.
• 21:48
  And
• 21:48
  finally
• 21:48
  you
• 21:48
  mentioned
• 21:49
  when,
• 21:50
  in
• 21:50
  the
• 21:50
  moments
• 21:50
  when
• 21:51
  we
• 21:51
  feel
• 21:51
  like
• 21:51
  we
• 21:51
  can
• 21:52
  do
• 21:52
  it,
• 21:52
  opening
• 21:53
  to
• 21:53
  the
• 21:53
  fullness
• 21:54
  of
• 21:54
  our
• 21:54
  experience.
• 21:55
  So
• 21:56
  there
• 21:56
  was
• 21:56
  a
• 21:56
  lot
• 21:56
  in
• 21:56
  what
• 21:57
  you
• 21:57
  said
• 21:57
  and
• 21:57
  I
• 21:57
  just
• 21:57
  wanted
• 21:57
  to
• 21:58
  kind
• 21:58
  of
• 21:58
  summarize
• 21:58
  to
• 21:59
  make
• 21:59
  sure
• 21:59
  none
• 21:59
  of
• 21:59
  it
• 22:00
  got
• 22:00
  lost.
• 22:01
  Anything
• 22:01
  else
• 22:01
  you'd
• 22:02
  like
• 22:02
  to
• 22:02
  add
• 22:02
  by
• 22:03
  way
• 22:03
  of
• 22:03
  skillful
• 22:04
  ways
• 22:05
  of
• 22:05
  ways
• 22:06
  of
• 22:07
  cultivating
• 22:07
  equanimity
• 22:08
  in
• 22:08
  the
• 22:08
  face
• 22:09
  of
• 22:09
  the
• 22:09
  fire
• 22:09
  hose
• 22:10
  of
• 22:10
  horror
• 22:11
  that
• 22:11
  we
• 22:11
  are
• 22:11
  exposed
• 22:12
  to.
• 22:12
  And
• 22:12
  I
• 22:13
  want
• 22:13
  to
• 22:13
  mention
• 22:13
  that
• 22:14
  in
• 22:14
  your
• 22:14
  book
• 22:14
  Quiet
• 22:15
  Strength,
• 22:15
  you
• 22:15
  lay
• 22:15
  out
• 22:16
  a
• 22:16
  number
• 22:16
  of
• 22:16
  these
• 22:16
  practices,
• 22:17
  but
• 22:18
  for
• 22:18
  our
• 22:18
  audience,
• 22:19
  perhaps
• 22:19
  you
• 22:19
  could
• 22:20
  give
• 22:20
  us
• 22:20
  a
• 22:20
  taste
• 22:21
  of
• 22:21
  some.
• 22:22
  Yes,
• 22:22
  I'm
• 22:22
  happy
• 22:23
  to.
• 22:23
  And
• 22:23
  that's
• 22:24
  a
• 22:24
  wonderful
• 22:24
  summary.
• 22:25
  And
• 22:26
  the
• 22:27
  good
• 22:27
  news
• 22:27
  is
• 22:28
  there
• 22:28
  are
• 22:28
  a
• 22:28
  lot
• 22:28
  of
• 22:29
  really,
• 22:30
  really
• 22:30
  simple,
• 22:31
  accessible
• 22:31
  ways
• 22:32
  to
• 22:33
  access
• 22:34
  equanimity.
• 22:35
  And
• 22:36
  as
• 22:36
  much
• 22:37
  as
• 22:37
  I
• 22:37
  love
• 22:37
  meditation
• 22:38
  and
• 22:38
  have
• 22:38
  taught
• 22:39
  it,
• 22:40
  I
• 22:40
  think
• 22:40
  it's
• 22:40
  helpful
• 22:41
  to
• 22:41
  know
• 22:41
  that
• 22:42
  you
• 22:42
  don't
• 22:42
  have
• 22:42
  to
• 22:43
  be
• 22:43
  a
• 22:43
  meditator
• 22:44
  to
• 22:45
  access
• 22:45
  equanimity.
• 22:46
  And
• 22:47
  that
• 22:49
  there
• 22:49
  are
• 22:49
  some
• 22:50
  very
• 22:50
  simple,
• 22:51
  even
• 22:52
  kind
• 22:52
  of
• 22:52
  cognitive
• 22:53
  exercises
• 22:55
  that
• 22:55
  you
• 22:55
  can
• 22:55
  do
• 22:57
  to
• 22:58
  remember
• 22:59
  in
• 22:59
  a
• 22:59
  sense,
• 22:59
  in
• 23:00
  a
• 23:00
  moment,
• 23:01
  how
• 23:01
  to
• 23:02
  have
• 23:02
  perspective
• 23:03
  that
• 23:03
  can
• 23:04
  help
• 23:04
  you
• 23:04
  get
• 23:04
  out
• 23:05
  of
• 23:06
  the
• 23:06
  hijacked
• 23:07
  moment.
• 23:08
  And
• 23:09
  I've
• 23:10
  noticed
• 23:11
  in
• 23:12
  my
• 23:12
  teaching
• 23:12
  over
• 23:13
  the
• 23:13
  years
• 23:14
  that
• 23:14
  sometimes
• 23:15
  just
• 23:15
  having
• 23:16
  some
• 23:16
  conceptual
• 23:17
  clarity
• 23:19
  can
• 23:19
  go
• 23:19
  a
• 23:20
  long
• 23:20
  way
• 23:22
  in
• 23:23
  helping
• 23:23
  Us
• 23:23
  with
• 23:24
  our
• 23:24
  reactivity
• 23:25
  and
• 23:25
  getting
• 23:25
  caught
• 23:26
  in
• 23:27
  the
• 23:27
  things
• 23:27
  that
• 23:27
  we've
• 23:27
  been
• 23:28
  talking
• 23:28
  about.
• 23:29
  So
• 23:30
  there
• 23:30
  are
• 23:30
  three
• 23:31
  exercises
• 23:31
  in
• 23:32
  the
• 23:32
  book
• 23:32
  that
• 23:33
  I
• 23:34
  took
• 23:35
  from
• 23:35
  a
• 23:35
  wonderful
• 23:36
  talk
• 23:36
  by
• 23:37
  our
• 23:37
  friend
• 23:37
  and
• 23:38
  teacher,
• 23:39
  Joseph
• 23:39
  Goldstein.
• 23:40
  Maybe
• 23:41
  you've
• 23:41
  had
• 23:41
  him
• 23:41
  on
• 23:41
  the
• 23:41
  show.
• 23:42
  I
• 23:42
  don't
• 23:42
  know.
• 23:43
  We
• 23:44
  have.
• 23:44
  He's
• 23:44
  wonderful.
• 23:45
  Yes.
• 23:45
  Yes.
• 23:46
  So
• 23:47
  a
• 23:47
  talk
• 23:47
  by
• 23:47
  Joseph
• 23:48
  on
• 23:48
  Equanimity
• 23:49
  actually
• 23:49
  inspired
• 23:50
  the
• 23:51
  first
• 23:51
  workshop
• 23:52
  that
• 23:52
  I
• 23:52
  developed
• 23:53
  on
• 23:53
  equanimity
• 23:54
  maybe
• 23:55
  15
• 23:55
  years
• 23:55
  ago.
• 23:56
  I
• 23:57
  listened
• 23:57
  to
• 23:57
  this
• 23:57
  talk
• 23:58
  and
• 23:58
  I
• 23:58
  thought,
• 23:58
  oh,
• 23:59
  I
• 23:59
  can
• 23:59
  operationalize
• 24:00
  this.
• 24:01
  There
• 24:01
  are
• 24:02
  a
• 24:02
  lot
• 24:02
  of
• 24:02
  things
• 24:02
  that
• 24:03
  Joseph
• 24:03
  said
• 24:04
  that
• 24:04
  are
• 24:04
  really
• 24:05
  accessible,
• 24:06
  that
• 24:06
  I
• 24:07
  can
• 24:07
  share
• 24:07
  with
• 24:07
  people.
• 24:08
  And
• 24:09
  basically,
• 24:10
  he
• 24:10
  talked
• 24:11
  about
• 24:11
  three
• 24:12
  things,
• 24:12
  if
• 24:12
  I'm
• 24:13
  recalling
• 24:13
  this.
• 24:14
  One
• 24:15
  is
• 24:16
  perspective
• 24:16
  taking,
• 24:18
  looking
• 24:19
  at
• 24:19
  the
• 24:19
  lens
• 24:20
  of
• 24:21
  history.
• 24:22
  And
• 24:23
  you
• 24:23
  can't
• 24:24
  inflict
• 24:24
  this
• 24:24
  on
• 24:25
  someone
• 24:25
  else.
• 24:25
  You
• 24:26
  can't
• 24:26
  inflict
• 24:26
  it
• 24:26
  on
• 24:27
  yourself,
• 24:28
  but,
• 24:28
  boy,
• 24:29
  is
• 24:29
  it
• 24:29
  helpful
• 24:30
  at
• 24:30
  times.
• 24:31
  So,
• 24:32
  for
• 24:33
  example,
• 24:34
  right
• 24:35
  now,
• 24:35
  in
• 24:36
  this
• 24:36
  moment,
• 24:37
  when
• 24:37
  things
• 24:38
  seem
• 24:39
  really
• 24:40
  bad
• 24:40
  to
• 24:40
  a
• 24:41
  lot
• 24:41
  of
• 24:41
  us,
• 24:41
  we
• 24:41
  like
• 24:42
  really
• 24:42
  bad.
• 24:43
  We're
• 24:43
  really
• 24:44
  scared.
• 24:44
  We're
• 24:44
  really
• 24:45
  worried.
• 24:45
  We
• 24:46
  haven't
• 24:46
  seen
• 24:46
  this
• 24:47
  country.
• 24:48
  You
• 24:48
  know,
• 24:49
  I
• 24:49
  just
• 24:49
  turned
• 24:49
  74,
• 24:51
  and
• 24:52
  lots
• 24:52
  of
• 24:52
  my
• 24:52
  friends
• 24:52
  who
• 24:53
  are
• 24:53
  my
• 24:53
  age
• 24:54
  haven't
• 24:55
  seen
• 24:55
  this
• 24:55
  before
• 24:56
  here
• 24:56
  in
• 24:56
  the
• 24:57
  United
• 24:57
  States,
• 24:57
  what
• 24:58
  we're
• 24:58
  seeing
• 24:58
  right
• 24:59
  now.
• 25:00
  And
• 25:00
  it's
• 25:01
  easy
• 25:01
  to
• 25:01
  get
• 25:02
  caught
• 25:02
  up
• 25:02
  in
• 25:03
  a
• 25:03
  lot
• 25:03
  of
• 25:03
  fear,
• 25:04
  a
• 25:05
  lot
• 25:05
  of
• 25:06
  heightened
• 25:07
  emotion.
• 25:08
  Well,
• 25:09
  looking
• 25:10
  at
• 25:10
  history,
• 25:12
  looking
• 25:12
  at
• 25:13
  all
• 25:14
  the
• 25:15
  civilizations,
• 25:16
  the
• 25:16
  countries
• 25:16
  throughout
• 25:17
  time
• 25:18
  who
• 25:18
  have
• 25:18
  been
• 25:19
  through
• 25:19
  something
• 25:20
  similar
• 25:20
  to
• 25:20
  what
• 25:21
  we've
• 25:21
  been
• 25:21
  through
• 25:22
  helps.
• 25:23
  It
• 25:24
  helps.
• 25:25
  And
• 25:27
  I
• 25:27
  believe,
• 25:28
  and
• 25:28
  this
• 25:28
  is
• 25:28
  just
• 25:29
  Margaret's
• 25:30
  opinion,
• 25:30
  which
• 25:31
  may
• 25:31
  or
• 25:31
  may
• 25:31
  not
• 25:32
  have
• 25:32
  a
• 25:32
  place
• 25:32
  on
• 25:32
  your
• 25:33
  show,
• 25:34
  but
• 25:34
  I
• 25:34
  believe
• 25:35
  that
• 25:35
  we've
• 25:36
  had
• 25:36
  some
• 25:37
  degree
• 25:37
  of
• 25:37
  exceptionalism
• 25:38
  here
• 25:38
  in
• 25:39
  the
• 25:39
  United
• 25:39
  States
• 25:40
  and
• 25:40
  a
• 25:41
  kind
• 25:41
  of
• 25:41
  misapprehension
• 25:42
  that
• 25:43
  this
• 25:43
  could
• 25:44
  never
• 25:44
  and
• 25:44
  should
• 25:44
  never
• 25:45
  happen
• 25:45
  here.
• 25:46
  And
• 25:46
  what
• 25:47
  makes
• 25:47
  us
• 25:47
  so
• 25:47
  special?
• 25:48
  It's
• 25:48
  happened
• 25:49
  all
• 25:49
  over
• 25:49
  the
• 25:49
  world,
• 25:50
  and
• 25:50
  now
• 25:51
  it's
• 25:51
  happening
• 25:51
  here,
• 25:52
  whatever
• 25:52
  this
• 25:52
  is,
• 25:53
  and
• 25:54
  debate
• 25:55
  what
• 25:55
  that
• 25:55
  is.
• 25:55
  But
• 25:56
  there
• 25:56
  have
• 25:57
  been
• 25:57
  governments
• 25:57
  like
• 25:58
  this.
• 25:58
  There
• 25:58
  have
• 25:58
  been
• 25:59
  eras
• 26:00
  like
• 26:00
  this.
• 26:01
  Many
• 26:01
  people
• 26:02
  throughout
• 26:02
  history
• 26:03
  and
• 26:03
  across
• 26:03
  the
• 26:04
  world
• 26:04
  have
• 26:05
  been
• 26:05
  subjected
• 26:06
  to
• 26:06
  this
• 26:06
  kind
• 26:07
  of
• 26:08
  situation
• 26:09
  that
• 26:09
  we're
• 26:09
  in,
• 26:10
  and
• 26:10
  it
• 26:11
  has
• 26:11
  changed.
• 26:12
  And
• 26:12
  that
• 26:13
  perspective
• 26:13
  helps.
• 26:14
  It
• 26:14
  helps
• 26:14
  me.
• 26:15
  So
• 26:16
  that's
• 26:16
  one
• 26:16
  perspective.
• 26:18
  And
• 26:18
  I
• 26:18
  think
• 26:18
  I
• 26:18
  talked
• 26:19
  a
• 26:19
  little
• 26:19
  earlier
• 26:20
  about
• 26:21
  the
• 26:21
  reality
• 26:22
  of
• 26:22
  impermanence,
• 26:23
  you
• 26:23
  know,
• 26:24
  remembering
• 26:25
  that
• 26:25
  things
• 26:25
  change,
• 26:26
  which
• 26:27
  is
• 26:28
  an
• 26:28
  aspect
• 26:28
  of
• 26:29
  perspective
• 26:29
  taking.
• 26:31
  And
• 26:31
  the
• 26:31
  other
• 26:32
  important
• 26:32
  one
• 26:33
  is
• 26:34
  the
• 26:35
  extent
• 26:35
  to
• 26:36
  which
• 26:36
  we
• 26:37
  take
• 26:37
  things
• 26:37
  personally.
• 26:39
  I
• 26:40
  notice
• 26:41
  even
• 26:41
  though
• 26:42
  this
• 26:42
  can
• 26:43
  seem
• 26:43
  like
• 26:43
  a
• 26:43
  very
• 26:44
  lofty
• 26:45
  concept
• 26:46
  in
• 26:46
  the
• 26:46
  context
• 26:47
  of
• 26:47
  Buddhism
• 26:48
  and
• 26:48
  no
• 26:48
  self,
• 26:49
  it
• 26:50
  can
• 26:50
  actually
• 26:51
  be
• 26:51
  a
• 26:51
  very
• 26:52
  accessible,
• 26:53
  pragmatic
• 26:54
  tool
• 26:55
  to
• 26:57
  unhook
• 26:58
  from
• 26:58
  Reactivity.
• 26:59
  You
• 27:00
  know,
• 27:00
  all
• 27:00
  we
• 27:00
  have
• 27:01
  to
• 27:01
  do
• 27:01
  is
• 27:02
  notice
• 27:04
  when
• 27:04
  we're
• 27:05
  really
• 27:05
  caught
• 27:06
  in
• 27:07
  a
• 27:07
  strong
• 27:07
  emotion,
• 27:08
  how
• 27:08
  strong
• 27:09
  is
• 27:09
  your
• 27:09
  sense
• 27:10
  of
• 27:10
  self?
• 27:11
  And
• 27:12
  when
• 27:12
  you're
• 27:13
  feeling
• 27:13
  wonderful
• 27:14
  and
• 27:14
  relaxed
• 27:15
  and
• 27:15
  at
• 27:15
  peace,
• 27:16
  how
• 27:17
  strong
• 27:17
  is
• 27:17
  your
• 27:17
  sense
• 27:18
  of
• 27:18
  self?
• 27:19
  And
• 27:19
  then
• 27:19
  just
• 27:20
  check
• 27:20
  in.
• 27:22
  Am
• 27:22
  I
• 27:22
  taking
• 27:22
  something
• 27:23
  personally?
• 27:24
  And
• 27:24
  is
• 27:25
  there
• 27:25
  the
• 27:25
  possibility
• 27:27
  of
• 27:27
  recognizing
• 27:28
  the
• 27:28
  impersonal
• 27:29
  nature
• 27:29
  of
• 27:30
  this?
• 27:31
  That
• 27:31
  probably
• 27:33
  most
• 27:33
  of
• 27:33
  what's
• 27:34
  going
• 27:34
  on
• 27:34
  right
• 27:35
  now
• 27:36
  really
• 27:36
  has
• 27:36
  an
• 27:36
  impersonal
• 27:37
  nature?
• 27:38
  And
• 27:39
  in
• 27:40
  the
• 27:40
  context,
• 27:41
  the
• 27:41
  interpersonal
• 27:42
  context,
• 27:42
  where
• 27:43
  we
• 27:43
  tend
• 27:43
  to
• 27:44
  get
• 27:44
  our
• 27:44
  egos
• 27:45
  very
• 27:45
  hooked,
• 27:46
  feeling
• 27:47
  hurt,
• 27:47
  feeling
• 27:48
  judged,
• 27:48
  feeling
• 27:49
  whatever
• 27:49
  that
• 27:49
  might
• 27:50
  be.
• 27:50
  So
• 27:51
  now
• 27:51
  we're
• 27:51
  on
• 27:51
  different
• 27:52
  territory
• 27:52
  than
• 27:53
  politics
• 27:54
  and
• 27:54
  what
• 27:54
  we
• 27:55
  were
• 27:55
  talking
• 27:55
  about
• 27:55
  earlier.
• 27:57
  Very
• 27:57
  often
• 27:58
  we
• 27:59
  are
• 28:00
  kind
• 28:00
  of
• 28:00
  assigning
• 28:01
  meaning
• 28:02
  that
• 28:03
  makes
• 28:03
  something
• 28:04
  personal.
• 28:05
  And
• 28:05
  I
• 28:05
  often
• 28:06
  joke
• 28:06
  with
• 28:06
  my
• 28:07
  students,
• 28:07
  if
• 28:07
  you're
• 28:08
  going
• 28:08
  to
• 28:08
  make
• 28:08
  it
• 28:08
  up
• 28:08
  anyway,
• 28:09
  what
• 28:10
  somebody's
• 28:10
  motives
• 28:11
  are,
• 28:11
  what
• 28:11
  they
• 28:11
  think
• 28:12
  about
• 28:12
  you,
• 28:12
  or
• 28:13
  whether
• 28:14
  they're
• 28:14
  really,
• 28:15
  you
• 28:15
  know,
• 28:15
  judging
• 28:16
  you
• 28:16
  or
• 28:16
  they
• 28:17
  think
• 28:17
  you're
• 28:18
  foolish
• 28:18
  or
• 28:19
  not
• 28:19
  smart
• 28:19
  or
• 28:19
  whatever
• 28:20
  it
• 28:20
  might
• 28:20
  be,
• 28:21
  make
• 28:21
  up
• 28:21
  a
• 28:21
  different
• 28:22
  story
• 28:22
  or
• 28:23
  just
• 28:23
  recognize
• 28:24
  that
• 28:24
  you're
• 28:24
  making
• 28:24
  it
• 28:25
  up
• 28:25
  and
• 28:25
  that
• 28:26
  a
• 28:26
  lot
• 28:26
  of
• 28:26
  it
• 28:26
  is
• 28:27
  actually
• 28:27
  impersonal.
• 28:29
  That
• 28:29
  can
• 28:29
  be
• 28:30
  very
• 28:30
  liberating
• 28:31
  from
• 28:32
  the
• 28:32
  reactivity
• 28:34
  that
• 28:34
  gets
• 28:35
  between
• 28:35
  us
• 28:36
  and
• 28:36
  equanimity.
• 28:37
  And
• 28:38
  one
• 28:38
  moment
• 28:39
  of
• 28:40
  letting
• 28:41
  go,
• 28:41
  of
• 28:42
  taking
• 28:42
  something
• 28:43
  personally
• 28:44
  is
• 28:44
  often
• 28:45
  immediately
• 28:46
  a
• 28:47
  moment
• 28:47
  of
• 28:47
  reclaiming
• 28:48
  equanimity.
• 28:51
  Yeah,
• 28:51
  I
• 28:52
  want
• 28:52
  to
• 28:52
  bring
• 28:52
  up
• 28:52
  over
• 28:53
  the
• 28:53
  last
• 28:53
  few
• 28:53
  days,
• 28:54
  and
• 28:54
  I
• 28:54
  have
• 28:54
  military
• 28:55
  law
• 28:55
  enforcement
• 28:56
  background,
• 28:56
  and
• 28:57
  I've
• 28:57
  been
• 28:57
  watching
• 28:57
  these
• 28:58
  video,
• 28:58
  different
• 28:59
  perspective,
• 28:59
  different
• 29:00
  cameras
• 29:00
  or
• 29:00
  phones,
• 29:01
  filming
• 29:02
  this
• 29:02
  incident
• 29:03
  where
• 29:03
  this
• 29:03
  young
• 29:04
  woman
• 29:04
  was
• 29:04
  shot
• 29:05
  and
• 29:05
  killed
• 29:05
  in
• 29:05
  her
• 29:05
  car,
• 29:06
  this
• 29:06
  mother
• 29:06
  of
• 29:06
  three.
• 29:07
  And,
• 29:08
  you
• 29:08
  know,
• 29:08
  it
• 29:09
  starts
• 29:09
  out,
• 29:10
  you
• 29:10
  know,
• 29:10
  she's
• 29:10
  blocking
• 29:12
  the
• 29:12
  cars,
• 29:12
  and
• 29:12
  the
• 29:12
  ICE
• 29:13
  agents
• 29:13
  get
• 29:13
  out
• 29:13
  of
• 29:14
  their
• 29:14
  pickup,
• 29:14
  and
• 29:14
  they're
• 29:14
  very
• 29:14
  angry.
• 29:15
  You
• 29:16
  know,
• 29:16
  they
• 29:16
  grab
• 29:17
  the
• 29:17
  handle
• 29:17
  and
• 29:17
  say,
• 29:17
  get
• 29:18
  out
• 29:18
  of
• 29:18
  the
• 29:18
  fucking
• 29:18
  car.
• 29:19
  You
• 29:19
  know,
• 29:19
  literally.
• 29:20
  And
• 29:20
  then
• 29:21
  he
• 29:21
  walks
• 29:21
  around.
• 29:21
  And
• 29:21
  in
• 29:22
  20
• 29:22
  seconds,
• 29:23
  everything
• 29:23
  just
• 29:24
  built
• 29:24
  up
• 29:24
  to
• 29:25
  this
• 29:25
  guy
• 29:25
  went
• 29:25
  in
• 29:26
  front.
• 29:26
  The
• 29:26
  ICE
• 29:26
  agent
• 29:26
  went
• 29:27
  in
• 29:27
  front
• 29:27
  of
• 29:27
  her
• 29:27
  car,
• 29:28
  and
• 29:28
  she
• 29:28
  started
• 29:29
  trying
• 29:29
  to
• 29:29
  leave,
• 29:30
  and
• 29:30
  he
• 29:30
  just
• 29:30
  snapped.
• 29:31
  And
• 29:32
  it
• 29:32
  turned
• 29:32
  out
• 29:32
  that
• 29:32
  he's
• 29:33
  traumatized.
• 29:33
  You
• 29:34
  know,
• 29:34
  he'd
• 29:34
  been,
• 29:34
  you
• 29:35
  know,
• 29:35
  had
• 29:35
  really
• 29:36
  bad
• 29:36
  things
• 29:36
  happen
• 29:36
  to
• 29:37
  him
• 29:37
  with
• 29:37
  cars
• 29:38
  and
• 29:38
  traffic
• 29:39
  in
• 29:39
  his
• 29:39
  line
• 29:39
  of
• 29:39
  work,
• 29:40
  and
• 29:40
  he
• 29:40
  just
• 29:40
  snapped,
• 29:41
  shot,
• 29:42
  then
• 29:43
  moved
• 29:43
  over
• 29:43
  to
• 29:43
  the
• 29:43
  side
• 29:43
  and
• 29:44
  shot
• 29:44
  twice.
• 29:45
  And
• 29:45
  it
• 29:45
  was
• 29:45
  just
• 29:45
  a
• 29:46
  complete.
• 29:46
  How
• 29:47
  things
• 29:47
  can
• 29:47
  spin
• 29:47
  out
• 29:47
  of
• 29:47
  control
• 29:48
  so
• 29:48
  quickly.
• 29:49
  And
• 29:49
  this
• 29:49
  woman
• 29:50
  died.
• 29:51
  And
• 29:51
  we
• 29:51
  all
• 29:52
  got
• 29:52
  to
• 29:52
  watch
• 29:52
  it.
• 29:52
  You
• 29:53
  know,
• 29:53
  it's
• 29:53
  just
• 29:53
  like,
• 29:55
  I
• 29:56
  mean,
• 29:57
  you
• 29:57
  know,
• 29:58
  how
• 29:58
  do
• 29:58
  you
• 29:58
  deal
• 29:58
  with
• 29:58
  that
• 29:59
  kind
• 29:59
  of.
• 29:59
  That
• 29:59
  anger?
• 30:00
  That
• 30:00
  was
• 30:00
  obviously
• 30:01
  the
• 30:01
  ICE
• 30:01
  agent
• 30:02
  had
• 30:02
  and
• 30:02
  his
• 30:02
  trauma
• 30:03
  and
• 30:03
  everything
• 30:04
  that
• 30:04
  just
• 30:04
  all
• 30:05
  came
• 30:05
  together
• 30:05
  in
• 30:05
  that
• 30:06
  moment
• 30:06
  and
• 30:06
  said,
• 30:06
  that's
• 30:07
  enough.
• 30:07
  He
• 30:08
  didn't
• 30:08
  decide.
• 30:08
  He
• 30:08
  just
• 30:08
  reacted
• 30:09
  in
• 30:09
  a
• 30:09
  way
• 30:09
  where
• 30:10
  this
• 30:10
  young
• 30:10
  woman
• 30:11
  lost
• 30:11
  her
• 30:11
  life.
• 30:11
  And
• 30:12
  maybe
• 30:13
  they
• 30:13
  did
• 30:13
  something
• 30:13
  wrong,
• 30:14
  her
• 30:14
  partner
• 30:15
  and
• 30:15
  she.
• 30:15
  But
• 30:17
  nobody,
• 30:18
  nobody
• 30:18
  has
• 30:18
  justified
• 30:19
  killing
• 30:20
  her.
• 30:20
  You
• 30:20
  know,
• 30:20
  it's
• 30:21
  just
• 30:21
  like.
• 30:21
  And
• 30:21
  again,
• 30:21
  you
• 30:22
  were
• 30:22
  saying,
• 30:22
  it
• 30:22
  can't
• 30:22
  happen
• 30:23
  here
• 30:23
  where
• 30:23
  Americans,
• 30:23
  our
• 30:24
  cops
• 30:24
  just
• 30:24
  don't,
• 30:24
  you
• 30:25
  know,
• 30:25
  because
• 30:25
  we
• 30:25
  say
• 30:26
  fuck
• 30:26
  off,
• 30:26
  they
• 30:26
  don't
• 30:27
  shoot
• 30:27
  us.
• 30:27
  Right?
• 30:28
  And
• 30:29
  that's
• 30:29
  what
• 30:29
  happened.
• 30:30
  So
• 30:31
  again,
• 30:31
  this
• 30:31
  highly
• 30:32
  charged
• 30:32
  time
• 30:32
  that
• 30:33
  we're
• 30:33
  on,
• 30:33
  and
• 30:33
  how
• 30:33
  do
• 30:33
  we
• 30:34
  take
• 30:34
  that
• 30:34
  step
• 30:34
  back
• 30:34
  and
• 30:35
  okay,
• 30:37
  you
• 30:37
  know,
• 30:37
  she
• 30:38
  wants
• 30:38
  to
• 30:38
  run,
• 30:38
  let
• 30:38
  her
• 30:39
  run.
• 30:39
  I'm
• 30:39
  not,
• 30:39
  you
• 30:39
  know,
• 30:39
  I'm
• 30:40
  not
• 30:40
  going
• 30:40
  to
• 30:40
  throw
• 30:40
  myself
• 30:41
  in
• 30:41
  front
• 30:41
  of
• 30:41
  the
• 30:41
  car
• 30:41
  and
• 30:42
  escalate
• 30:42
  this
• 30:42
  thing.
• 30:43
  But
• 30:43
  it
• 30:43
  didn't
• 30:43
  happen
• 30:44
  that
• 30:44
  way
• 30:44
  at
• 30:44
  all.
• 30:46
  No,
• 30:46
  it
• 30:46
  didn't.
• 30:47
  And
• 30:47
  we
• 30:47
  got
• 30:48
  to
• 30:48
  watch
• 30:48
  it.
• 30:49
  And
• 30:49
  it
• 30:50
  so
• 30:51
  tragic
• 30:51
  and
• 30:52
  heartbreaking.
• 30:53
  And
• 30:55
  a
• 30:55
  couple
• 30:55
  things,
• 30:56
  you
• 30:56
  know,
• 30:56
  it
• 30:56
  brings
• 30:57
  up
• 30:57
  a
• 30:57
  couple
• 30:57
  of
• 30:57
  things
• 30:58
  to
• 30:58
  mind.
• 30:59
  You
• 30:59
  mentioned,
• 30:59
  John,
• 31:00
  that
• 31:00
  I
• 31:00
  had
• 31:00
  worked
• 31:01
  with
• 31:01
  elite
• 31:01
  military,
• 31:02
  and
• 31:03
  I
• 31:03
  spent
• 31:04
  five
• 31:04
  years
• 31:05
  working
• 31:06
  with
• 31:06
  Amishi
• 31:07
  Jha,
• 31:07
  who's
• 31:08
  a
• 31:08
  neuroscientist
• 31:09
  at
• 31:09
  University
• 31:10
  of
• 31:10
  Miami
• 31:11
  who
• 31:11
  studied
• 31:11
  attention.
• 31:13
  And
• 31:13
  Amishi
• 31:15
  was
• 31:15
  really,
• 31:16
  along
• 31:16
  with
• 31:17
  Elizabeth,
• 31:18
  whose
• 31:18
  last
• 31:18
  name
• 31:18
  I
• 31:19
  can't
• 31:19
  remember
• 31:20
  right
• 31:20
  now,
• 31:20
  they
• 31:21
  were
• 31:21
  pioneers
• 31:22
  in
• 31:22
  bringing
• 31:23
  mindfulness
• 31:23
  into
• 31:23
  the
• 31:24
  military.
• 31:25
  And
• 31:25
  in
• 31:25
  the
• 31:26
  beginning
• 31:26
  of
• 31:26
  doing
• 31:27
  that,
• 31:27
  there
• 31:27
  was
• 31:28
  a
• 31:28
  tremendous
• 31:28
  amount
• 31:29
  of
• 31:29
  backlash.
• 31:31
  A
• 31:31
  lot
• 31:31
  of.
• 31:31
  I
• 31:31
  don't
• 31:32
  know
• 31:32
  if
• 31:32
  you
• 31:32
  were
• 31:32
  tracking
• 31:33
  any
• 31:33
  of
• 31:33
  this,
• 31:33
  Roger,
• 31:34
  but
• 31:35
  a
• 31:35
  lot
• 31:35
  of
• 31:35
  the
• 31:35
  mindfulness
• 31:36
  community
• 31:37
  was
• 31:38
  outraged,
• 31:39
  ironically,
• 31:41
  that
• 31:42
  Amishi
• 31:42
  and
• 31:43
  her
• 31:43
  colleagues,
• 31:43
  including
• 31:44
  me,
• 31:45
  would
• 31:45
  be
• 31:45
  teaching
• 31:46
  snipers
• 31:46
  how
• 31:46
  to
• 31:47
  be
• 31:47
  better
• 31:47
  killers.
• 31:48
  And
• 31:49
  that
• 31:49
  was
• 31:49
  kind
• 31:49
  of
• 31:49
  the
• 31:50
  backlash.
• 31:50
  And
• 31:51
  of
• 31:51
  course,
• 31:52
  our
• 31:52
  belief
• 31:53
  was
• 31:54
  it
• 31:55
  can
• 31:55
  only
• 31:56
  serve
• 31:57
  to
• 31:57
  have
• 31:58
  more
• 31:58
  equanimity
• 31:59
  and
• 31:59
  mindfulness
• 32:00
  for
• 32:00
  those
• 32:01
  very
• 32:01
  moments
• 32:02
  when
• 32:03
  you're
• 32:03
  under
• 32:03
  fire,
• 32:04
  when
• 32:05
  you
• 32:05
  can
• 32:05
  have
• 32:06
  some
• 32:06
  tool
• 32:08
  to
• 32:08
  help
• 32:08
  with
• 32:08
  that
• 32:09
  reactivity,
• 32:10
  can
• 32:10
  save
• 32:11
  lives.
• 32:12
  And
• 32:12
  that
• 32:12
  is
• 32:13
  the
• 32:13
  beauty
• 32:13
  and
• 32:13
  the
• 32:14
  power
• 32:14
  of
• 32:15
  the
• 32:15
  amazing
• 32:15
  work
• 32:16
  that
• 32:16
  Amishi
• 32:17
  and
• 32:18
  many
• 32:18
  other
• 32:18
  people
• 32:19
  have
• 32:19
  done
• 32:19
  in
• 32:19
  the
• 32:19
  military.
• 32:20
  And
• 32:21
  there's
• 32:21
  a
• 32:21
  lot
• 32:21
  of
• 32:21
  pre
• 32:21
  and
• 32:22
  post
• 32:22
  data.
• 32:22
  I
• 32:23
  mean,
• 32:24
  a
• 32:24
  lot
• 32:24
  of
• 32:25
  the
• 32:25
  beauty
• 32:25
  of
• 32:25
  it
• 32:25
  is
• 32:26
  that
• 32:26
  it
• 32:26
  also
• 32:26
  served
• 32:27
  prophylactically
• 32:28
  to
• 32:29
  help
• 32:29
  them
• 32:29
  against
• 32:30
  ptsd.
• 32:31
  And
• 32:31
  you
• 32:32
  mentioned,
• 32:32
  John,
• 32:33
  I
• 32:33
  didn't
• 32:33
  know
• 32:33
  that
• 32:34
  this
• 32:34
  shooter
• 32:35
  had
• 32:35
  PTSD
• 32:36
  and
• 32:36
  that
• 32:36
  got
• 32:37
  activated
• 32:37
  in
• 32:37
  that
• 32:38
  moment.
• 32:38
  So
• 32:39
  their
• 32:39
  mindfulness
• 32:40
  training
• 32:40
  pre
• 32:41
  deployment
• 32:42
  actually
• 32:43
  helped
• 32:43
  them
• 32:43
  post
• 32:44
  deployment,
• 32:45
  you
• 32:45
  know,
• 32:46
  having
• 32:46
  less
• 32:46
  ptsd.
• 32:48
  So
• 32:49
  there
• 32:49
  are
• 32:49
  tremendous
• 32:50
  benefits.
• 32:50
  And
• 32:51
  the
• 32:51
  other
• 32:51
  thing
• 32:51
  that
• 32:51
  I
• 32:52
  want
• 32:52
  to
• 32:52
  mention,
• 32:53
  you
• 32:53
  know,
• 32:54
  doing
• 32:54
  the
• 32:54
  work
• 32:54
  that
• 32:54
  I
• 32:55
  do
• 32:56
  gives
• 32:57
  me
• 32:58
  the
• 32:58
  privilege
• 32:59
  to
• 32:59
  see
• 33:00
  this
• 33:00
  other
• 33:00
  side.
• 33:01
  So
• 33:02
  we
• 33:02
  see
• 33:02
  the
• 33:03
  shooters,
• 33:03
  we
• 33:04
  see
• 33:04
  the
• 33:04
  George
• 33:05
  Floyd
• 33:06
  and
• 33:07
  this
• 33:08
  woman
• 33:08
  who
• 33:08
  was
• 33:09
  murdered.
• 33:10
  But
• 33:10
  I'm
• 33:11
  also
• 33:11
  seeing
• 33:11
  the
• 33:11
  other
• 33:12
  side,
• 33:12
  which
• 33:12
  is
• 33:13
  the
• 33:13
  work
• 33:13
  that
• 33:13
  Amishi's
• 33:14
  doing.
• 33:15
  And
• 33:16
  I
• 33:16
  have
• 33:16
  to
• 33:17
  share
• 33:17
  with
• 33:17
  you
• 33:17
  this
• 33:18
  beautiful
• 33:18
  story.
• 33:19
  I
• 33:20
  recently
• 33:20
  wrote
• 33:21
  a
• 33:21
  foreword
• 33:22
  to
• 33:22
  a
• 33:22
  book
• 33:23
  that
• 33:23
  I
• 33:23
  hope
• 33:23
  will
• 33:23
  be
• 33:24
  published
• 33:25
  sometime
• 33:25
  in
• 33:26
  the
• 33:26
  future
• 33:27
  that
• 33:27
  was
• 33:27
  written
• 33:28
  by
• 33:28
  Robert
• 33:29
  Johnson,
• 33:30
  who
• 33:30
  is
• 33:31
  the
• 33:31
  sheriff
• 33:31
  for
• 33:32
  Santa
• 33:32
  Clara
• 33:32
  County.
• 33:34
  And
• 33:34
  he
• 33:36
  did
• 33:37
  a
• 33:37
  year
• 33:38
  long
• 33:38
  teacher
• 33:39
  compassion
• 33:40
  cultivation
• 33:40
  training
• 33:41
  with
• 33:42
  me
• 33:42
  at
• 33:42
  Stanford
• 33:43
  when
• 33:43
  he
• 33:43
  was
• 33:44
  the
• 33:45
  chief
• 33:45
  of
• 33:45
  police
• 33:46
  in
• 33:46
  Palo
• 33:46
  Alto.
• 33:48
  And
• 33:49
  after
• 33:50
  going
• 33:50
  through
• 33:50
  this
• 33:50
  teacher
• 33:51
  training,
• 33:52
  he
• 33:54
  created
• 33:55
  this
• 33:55
  incredible
• 33:56
  program
• 33:57
  for
• 33:57
  all
• 33:57
  the
• 33:57
  police
• 33:58
  in
• 33:58
  California
• 33:59
  called
• 34:00
  Courageous
• 34:01
  Heart.
• 34:02
  That's
• 34:03
  all
• 34:03
  about
• 34:05
  compassion
• 34:05
  training,
• 34:06
  mindfulness,
• 34:08
  vagus
• 34:08
  nerve,
• 34:09
  the
• 34:09
  stress
• 34:09
  response,
• 34:10
  sleeping
• 34:11
  well,
• 34:12
  all
• 34:12
  the
• 34:12
  things
• 34:13
  to
• 34:13
  help
• 34:13
  officers
• 34:15
  not
• 34:15
  do
• 34:16
  what
• 34:17
  happened
• 34:17
  in
• 34:17
  Minnesota.
• 34:19
  And
• 34:19
  this
• 34:19
  guy
• 34:20
  is
• 34:20
  incredible.
• 34:21
  He's
• 34:22
  an
• 34:22
  incredible
• 34:22
  leader.
• 34:24
  He's
• 34:24
  got
• 34:24
  great
• 34:25
  integrity.
• 34:26
  He's
• 34:27
  very
• 34:27
  committed
• 34:28
  to
• 34:29
  de
• 34:29
  escalation.
• 34:31
  He
• 34:31
  wrote
• 34:31
  about
• 34:32
  his
• 34:32
  personal
• 34:32
  struggles
• 34:33
  in
• 34:33
  the
• 34:33
  book.
• 34:33
  I
• 34:33
  was
• 34:34
  so
• 34:34
  moved
• 34:34
  by
• 34:34
  it.
• 34:35
  So
• 34:35
  that's
• 34:36
  happening
• 34:36
  too.
• 34:37
  So
• 34:38
  I
• 34:38
  just
• 34:38
  want
• 34:38
  to
• 34:38
  share
• 34:39
  that
• 34:39
  in
• 34:39
  the
• 34:39
  same
• 34:40
  conversation
• 34:40
  that
• 34:41
  doesn't
• 34:41
  get
• 34:41
  on
• 34:41
  the
• 34:42
  news
• 34:42
  and
• 34:43
  that's
• 34:43
  part
• 34:43
  of
• 34:43
  our
• 34:44
  dilemma.
• 34:44
  But
• 34:44
  I
• 34:44
  want
• 34:45
  to
• 34:45
  broadcast,
• 34:46
  you
• 34:46
  know
• 34:47
  the.
• 34:47
  And
• 34:48
  all
• 34:48
  the
• 34:49
  generals
• 34:49
  in
• 34:49
  the
• 34:50
  army.
• 34:50
  I
• 34:51
  met
• 34:51
  a
• 34:51
  few
• 34:51
  of
• 34:52
  them
• 34:52
  who
• 34:52
  were
• 34:52
  supporting
• 34:53
  Amishi's
• 34:53
  work.
• 34:54
  Very
• 34:55
  high
• 34:55
  level
• 34:56
  generals
• 34:57
  who
• 34:57
  were
• 34:57
  saying
• 34:58
  yes,
• 34:58
  we
• 34:58
  want
• 34:59
  our
• 35:00
  military
• 35:00
  to
• 35:00
  have
• 35:01
  this
• 35:01
  training.
• 35:02
  And
• 35:03
  I'll
• 35:03
  just
• 35:03
  add
• 35:03
  that
• 35:04
  when
• 35:04
  I
• 35:04
  taught
• 35:04
  at
• 35:05
  Joint
• 35:05
  Special
• 35:06
  Operations
• 35:06
  Command
• 35:07
  in
• 35:07
  Fort
• 35:08
  Bragg
• 35:10
  we
• 35:10
  taught
• 35:10
  self
• 35:11
  compassion.
• 35:12
  And
• 35:13
  I
• 35:13
  just
• 35:14
  remembered
• 35:14
  these.
• 35:15
  There
• 35:15
  were
• 35:15
  men
• 35:16
  and
• 35:16
  women
• 35:17
  coming
• 35:18
  into
• 35:18
  class
• 35:19
  and
• 35:19
  telling
• 35:20
  me
• 35:21
  these
• 35:22
  like
• 35:23
  really,
• 35:23
  really
• 35:24
  highly
• 35:25
  trained
• 35:25
  buff
• 35:26
  like
• 35:28
  kind
• 35:28
  of
• 35:28
  scary
• 35:29
  looking
• 35:29
  people.
• 35:30
  Warriors,
• 35:30
  warriors
• 35:31
  that
• 35:31
  warriors,
• 35:32
  you
• 35:33
  know
• 35:33
  across
• 35:33
  all
• 35:34
  green
• 35:34
  berets
• 35:34
  and
• 35:35
  over
• 35:36
  going
• 35:36
  into
• 35:36
  the
• 35:36
  bathroom
• 35:37
  hugging
• 35:38
  themselves
• 35:39
  saying
• 35:39
  you're
• 35:40
  okay
• 35:40
  sweetheart.
• 35:41
  You're
• 35:41
  okay
• 35:42
  sweetheart.
• 35:43
  It's
• 35:43
  okay
• 35:44
  sweetheart,
• 35:45
  you
• 35:45
  know.
• 35:46
  Oh
• 35:46
  my
• 35:46
  goodness.
• 35:48
  So
• 35:48
  touching.
• 35:49
  So
• 35:50
  this
• 35:50
  is
• 35:50
  happening
• 35:50
  to,
• 35:51
  you
• 35:52
  know
• 35:53
  those
• 35:53
  stories
• 35:54
  happen.
• 35:55
  I
• 35:55
  hope
• 35:56
  they're
• 35:56
  anomalies.
• 35:57
  Yes,
• 35:58
  they
• 35:59
  are
• 36:00
  broadcast
• 36:01
  all
• 36:01
  over
• 36:01
  the
• 36:01
  news.
• 36:02
  They're
• 36:02
  tragic.
• 36:03
  But
• 36:03
  there's
• 36:04
  a
• 36:04
  whole
• 36:05
  lot
• 36:05
  happening
• 36:06
  behind
• 36:06
  the
• 36:07
  scenes.
• 36:08
  Yeah.
• 36:08
  And
• 36:08
  we
• 36:09
  had
• 36:09
  the
• 36:09
  privilege
• 36:09
  of
• 36:09
  doing
• 36:10
  an
• 36:10
  episode
• 36:10
  or
• 36:11
  two
• 36:11
  episodes
• 36:11
  I
• 36:11
  think
• 36:12
  with
• 36:12
  the
• 36:13
  chief
• 36:13
  of
• 36:13
  police
• 36:14
  in
• 36:14
  San
• 36:14
  Mateo
• 36:15
  county
• 36:15
  who
• 36:16
  has
• 36:16
  done
• 36:17
  similar
• 36:17
  trainings
• 36:18
  and
• 36:18
  introduced
• 36:18
  similar
• 36:19
  trainings.
• 36:19
  And
• 36:20
  I
• 36:20
  have
• 36:20
  to
• 36:20
  say
• 36:20
  it
• 36:21
  was
• 36:21
  extremely
• 36:22
  powerful
• 36:22
  for
• 36:22
  me
• 36:23
  doing
• 36:23
  the
• 36:23
  interview
• 36:23
  with
• 36:24
  him
• 36:24
  because
• 36:25
  it
• 36:26
  just
• 36:26
  to
• 36:27
  realize
• 36:28
  we
• 36:28
  have
• 36:28
  such
• 36:28
  a
• 36:29
  superficial
• 36:29
  understanding
• 36:30
  of
• 36:30
  what
• 36:30
  people
• 36:31
  in
• 36:31
  law
• 36:31
  enforcement
• 36:32
  are
• 36:32
  faced
• 36:33
  with.
• 36:33
  But
• 36:33
  to
• 36:34
  realize
• 36:35
  that
• 36:35
  the
• 36:36
  horrors
• 36:36
  that
• 36:37
  these
• 36:37
  people
• 36:37
  face
• 36:38
  and
• 36:39
  the
• 36:39
  danger
• 36:40
  they
• 36:40
  feel,
• 36:41
  it's
• 36:41
  like
• 36:42
  wow.
• 36:42
  I
• 36:42
  just
• 36:43
  had
• 36:43
  not
• 36:43
  appreciated
• 36:44
  just
• 36:44
  the
• 36:45
  emotional
• 36:46
  turmoil
• 36:47
  that
• 36:48
  is
• 36:48
  part
• 36:48
  of
• 36:48
  their
• 36:48
  work
• 36:49
  and
• 36:50
  the
• 36:50
  horror
• 36:50
  of
• 36:50
  really
• 36:51
  dealing
• 36:51
  with
• 36:52
  some
• 36:52
  of
• 36:52
  the
• 36:52
  best
• 36:52
  and
• 36:53
  some
• 36:53
  of
• 36:53
  the
• 36:53
  worst
• 36:53
  of
• 36:54
  human
• 36:54
  nature
• 36:54
  on
• 36:55
  a
• 36:55
  daily
• 36:55
  basis.
• 36:56
  So
• 36:56
  it
• 36:57
  was
• 36:57
  really
• 36:57
  eye
• 36:57
  opening.
• 36:58
  So
• 36:58
  thank
• 36:58
  you
• 36:58
  very
• 36:58
  much
• 36:59
  for
• 36:59
  bringing
• 36:59
  that
• 36:59
  in
• 37:00
  because
• 37:01
  it
• 37:01
  helps
• 37:01
  to
• 37:02
  see
• 37:02
  both
• 37:02
  sides.
• 37:03
  It's
• 37:03
  so
• 37:03
  easy
• 37:03
  to
• 37:04
  just
• 37:04
  see
• 37:04
  the
• 37:04
  one
• 37:04
  side
• 37:05
  and
• 37:05
  draw
• 37:05
  quick
• 37:05
  conclusions
• 37:06
  with
• 37:06
  so
• 37:07
  many
• 37:07
  things.
• 37:07
  But
• 37:08
  I
• 37:08
  think
• 37:08
  you're
• 37:09
  bringing
• 37:09
  a
• 37:09
  larger
• 37:10
  perspective.
• 37:11
  So
• 37:11
  thank
• 37:11
  you.
• 37:11
  And
• 37:11
  yeah,
• 37:12
  and
• 37:12
  you.
• 37:12
  That's
• 37:12
  one
• 37:13
  of
• 37:13
  the
• 37:13
  things
• 37:13
  you've
• 37:13
  been
• 37:13
  talking
• 37:14
  about,
• 37:14
  the
• 37:14
  importance
• 37:15
  of
• 37:15
  a
• 37:15
  larger
• 37:15
  perspective.
• 37:16
  Really
• 37:16
  important.
• 37:17
  And
• 37:18
  I
• 37:18
  also
• 37:18
  want
• 37:18
  to.
• 37:19
  Again,
• 37:19
  you're.
• 37:19
  You're
• 37:20
  giving
• 37:20
  us
• 37:20
  a
• 37:20
  lot.
• 37:20
  And
• 37:21
  I
• 37:21
  just
• 37:21
  want
• 37:21
  to
• 37:22
  mention
• 37:22
  one
• 37:23
  which
• 37:23
  you
• 37:23
  kind
• 37:24
  of
• 37:24
  just
• 37:28
  pointed
• 37:28
  to.
• 37:28
  And
• 37:28
  then
• 37:29
  there
• 37:29
  were
• 37:29
  other
• 37:30
  things,
• 37:31
  but
• 37:31
  that
• 37:31
  was.
• 37:31
  You
• 37:32
  talked
• 37:32
  about
• 37:33
  what
• 37:33
  would
• 37:33
  be
• 37:33
  called
• 37:33
  reframing,
• 37:34
  the
• 37:35
  importance
• 37:35
  of
• 37:35
  reframing
• 37:36
  the
• 37:37
  reactions
• 37:37
  we
• 37:37
  have
• 37:38
  or
• 37:38
  the
• 37:38
  experience
• 37:39
  or
• 37:39
  the
• 37:39
  things
• 37:39
  we're
• 37:40
  seeing.
• 37:41
  And
• 37:41
  you
• 37:41
  implied
• 37:42
  that
• 37:42
  it
• 37:42
  was
• 37:42
  possible
• 37:43
  to,
• 37:44
  as
• 37:44
  we're
• 37:44
  facing,
• 37:46
  say,
• 37:46
  an
• 37:46
  onslaught
• 37:47
  of
• 37:47
  news
• 37:47
  and
• 37:48
  feeling
• 37:48
  our
• 37:48
  own
• 37:49
  reactions,
• 37:50
  you
• 37:51
  implied
• 37:51
  the
• 37:51
  possibility
• 37:52
  of
• 37:52
  reframing
• 37:53
  this
• 37:53
  as
• 37:54
  a
• 37:54
  learning
• 37:54
  opportunity
• 37:55
  for,
• 37:55
  like,
• 37:56
  really
• 37:56
  looking,
• 37:57
  okay,
• 37:58
  how
• 37:58
  am
• 37:58
  I
• 37:59
  getting
• 37:59
  hooked?
• 37:59
  What's
• 38:00
  being
• 38:00
  triggered?
• 38:00
  What
• 38:00
  can
• 38:01
  I
• 38:01
  learn
• 38:01
  from
• 38:01
  this?
• 38:02
  Et
• 38:02
  cetera.
• 38:02
  And
• 38:02
  that
• 38:02
  feels
• 38:03
  like
• 38:03
  a
• 38:03
  very
• 38:03
  powerful
• 38:04
  technique.
• 38:05
  Yes.
• 38:05
  Well,
• 38:06
  I
• 38:06
  think
• 38:06
  you've
• 38:06
  brought
• 38:07
  us
• 38:08
  back
• 38:08
  a
• 38:08
  couple
• 38:09
  of
• 38:09
  times
• 38:09
  to
• 38:10
  that
• 38:10
  point,
• 38:11
  Roger.
• 38:12
  And
• 38:13
  maybe
• 38:13
  we
• 38:14
  didn't
• 38:14
  address
• 38:14
  it
• 38:15
  as
• 38:15
  fully
• 38:15
  as
• 38:16
  we
• 38:16
  could,
• 38:17
  which
• 38:17
  in
• 38:17
  some
• 38:18
  ways
• 38:18
  is
• 38:19
  at
• 38:19
  the
• 38:19
  heart
• 38:19
  of
• 38:20
  equanimity
• 38:21
  and
• 38:22
  a
• 38:22
  lot
• 38:22
  of
• 38:23
  the
• 38:23
  spiritual
• 38:24
  practice
• 38:25
  that
• 38:25
  we've
• 38:25
  shared,
• 38:26
  and
• 38:27
  that
• 38:27
  is,
• 38:28
  you
• 38:28
  know,
• 38:28
  the
• 38:29
  power
• 38:29
  of
• 38:30
  turning
• 38:31
  directly
• 38:31
  and
• 38:32
  fully
• 38:33
  to
• 38:33
  what
• 38:33
  is
• 38:34
  arising
• 38:34
  in
• 38:34
  the
• 38:34
  moment,
• 38:35
  to
• 38:36
  what
• 38:36
  we're
• 38:36
  feeling.
• 38:37
  And
• 38:38
  I've
• 38:38
  done
• 38:39
  a
• 38:39
  lot
• 38:39
  of
• 38:39
  study
• 38:40
  of
• 38:40
  emotion.
• 38:40
  I
• 38:41
  worked
• 38:41
  with
• 38:41
  Paul
• 38:41
  Ekman
• 38:42
  for
• 38:42
  a
• 38:42
  number
• 38:43
  of
• 38:43
  years
• 38:44
  and
• 38:45
  helped
• 38:45
  to
• 38:45
  develop
• 38:46
  the
• 38:46
  cultivating
• 38:47
  Emotional
• 38:47
  balance
• 38:48
  training,
• 38:48
  which
• 38:48
  led
• 38:49
  to
• 38:49
  another
• 38:49
  program
• 38:50
  and
• 38:50
  did
• 38:51
  a
• 38:51
  lot
• 38:51
  of
• 38:52
  emotion
• 38:52
  theory
• 38:53
  and
• 38:54
  then
• 38:54
  applied
• 38:55
  emotion
• 38:55
  training.
• 38:57
  And
• 38:58
  the
• 38:58
  truth
• 38:58
  is
• 38:59
  that
• 38:59
  emotions,
• 39:01
  by
• 39:01
  their
• 39:01
  very
• 39:02
  nature
• 39:04
  are
• 39:04
  fast.
• 39:05
  If
• 39:06
  we
• 39:06
  don't
• 39:06
  feed
• 39:06
  them
• 39:07
  and
• 39:07
  we
• 39:07
  don't
• 39:07
  suppress
• 39:08
  them,
• 39:08
  they
• 39:08
  come
• 39:08
  and
• 39:08
  go.
• 39:09
  And
• 39:09
  they're
• 39:09
  also
• 39:10
  packed
• 39:10
  with
• 39:10
  information.
• 39:12
  They're
• 39:12
  packed
• 39:13
  with
• 39:13
  really
• 39:13
  important
• 39:14
  information
• 39:15
  for
• 39:15
  us.
• 39:16
  And
• 39:17
  the
• 39:17
  other
• 39:18
  great
• 39:18
  thing
• 39:19
  is
• 39:19
  we
• 39:19
  learn,
• 39:20
  you
• 39:21
  know,
• 39:21
  again,
• 39:21
  as
• 39:21
  we
• 39:22
  titrate
• 39:22
  out
• 39:23
  according
• 39:23
  to
• 39:23
  our
• 39:24
  capacity,
• 39:25
  that
• 39:25
  we're
• 39:26
  not
• 39:26
  going
• 39:26
  to
• 39:26
  die
• 39:27
  of
• 39:27
  this
• 39:27
  feeling.
• 39:29
  We
• 39:29
  gradually
• 39:30
  learn
• 39:30
  that,
• 39:31
  I
• 39:31
  can
• 39:31
  feel
• 39:32
  this
• 39:32
  in
• 39:32
  the
• 39:32
  moment,
• 39:33
  I
• 39:33
  can
• 39:33
  turn
• 39:33
  towards
• 39:34
  this,
• 39:34
  and
• 39:35
  I'm
• 39:35
  going
• 39:35
  to
• 39:35
  survive
• 39:36
  it,
• 39:36
  and
• 39:37
  it's
• 39:37
  okay.
• 39:38
  So
• 39:38
  we
• 39:39
  familiarize
• 39:40
  ourselves,
• 39:41
  and
• 39:41
  the
• 39:41
  more
• 39:41
  we
• 39:42
  learn
• 39:43
  about
• 39:43
  it
• 39:43
  and
• 39:44
  become
• 39:44
  familiar,
• 39:45
  the
• 39:46
  less
• 39:47
  we
• 39:47
  react
• 39:47
  to
• 39:48
  it,
• 39:48
  in
• 39:48
  a
• 39:48
  sense,
• 39:49
  the
• 39:49
  more
• 39:49
  we
• 39:49
  can
• 39:49
  hold
• 39:50
  it,
• 39:50
  the
• 39:50
  more
• 39:50
  spacious
• 39:51
  we
• 39:51
  become,
• 39:52
  the
• 39:52
  more
• 39:52
  equanimity
• 39:53
  grows,
• 39:54
  the
• 39:54
  More
• 39:55
  we
• 39:55
  can
• 39:55
  tolerate
• 39:56
  a
• 39:56
  fuller
• 39:57
  range
• 39:57
  of
• 39:57
  experiences.
• 39:59
  And
• 40:00
  I
• 40:00
  don't
• 40:00
  know
• 40:01
  if
• 40:01
  this
• 40:01
  is
• 40:02
  really
• 40:02
  what
• 40:02
  you're
• 40:02
  driving
• 40:03
  at,
• 40:03
  but
• 40:03
  I'm
• 40:03
  just
• 40:04
  going
• 40:04
  to
• 40:04
  share
• 40:04
  this
• 40:04
  other
• 40:05
  point
• 40:05
  because
• 40:06
  I
• 40:06
  think
• 40:06
  it's
• 40:06
  really
• 40:07
  important
• 40:08
  around
• 40:08
  equanimity.
• 40:09
  And
• 40:09
  it
• 40:10
  was
• 40:10
  important
• 40:10
  to
• 40:10
  me
• 40:11
  in
• 40:11
  writing
• 40:12
  the
• 40:12
  book
• 40:12
  and
• 40:13
  to
• 40:14
  the
• 40:14
  group
• 40:14
  at
• 40:15
  Harvard
• 40:15
  who
• 40:15
  kind
• 40:15
  of
• 40:16
  wrote
• 40:16
  one
• 40:16
  of
• 40:16
  the
• 40:16
  first
• 40:17
  important
• 40:17
  papers
• 40:18
  on
• 40:18
  equanimity.
• 40:19
  Dave
• 40:19
  Vago,
• 40:20
  Ogel
• 40:20
  DeBoer,
• 40:21
  Sarah
• 40:21
  Lazar,
• 40:22
  that
• 40:22
  group.
• 40:23
  So
• 40:24
  they
• 40:24
  referred
• 40:25
  to
• 40:25
  Richie
• 40:25
  Davidson's
• 40:26
  research,
• 40:27
  which
• 40:27
  I'm
• 40:28
  sure
• 40:28
  you're
• 40:28
  familiar
• 40:29
  with,
• 40:29
  the
• 40:29
  seminal
• 40:30
  research
• 40:31
  with
• 40:31
  Antoine
• 40:32
  Lutz,
• 40:32
  where
• 40:33
  they
• 40:33
  looked
• 40:33
  at
• 40:34
  adepts
• 40:34
  in
• 40:34
  the
• 40:34
  lab,
• 40:35
  adept
• 40:36
  meditators.
• 40:37
  They
• 40:37
  showed
• 40:38
  them
• 40:38
  very
• 40:38
  provocative
• 40:39
  stimuli.
• 40:41
  They
• 40:41
  looked
• 40:41
  at
• 40:41
  their
• 40:42
  brains
• 40:42
  in
• 40:42
  real
• 40:42
  time,
• 40:43
  in
• 40:43
  fmris.
• 40:45
  And
• 40:45
  one
• 40:45
  of
• 40:45
  the
• 40:45
  fascinating
• 40:46
  things
• 40:46
  they
• 40:47
  found
• 40:47
  was
• 40:48
  that
• 40:48
  these
• 40:49
  great
• 40:49
  meditators,
• 40:50
  who
• 40:51
  had
• 40:52
  tremendous
• 40:52
  levels
• 40:53
  of
• 40:53
  equanimity
• 40:53
  and
• 40:54
  compassion
• 40:55
  and
• 40:55
  all
• 40:55
  of
• 40:55
  the
• 40:57
  Brahma
• 40:57
  viharas,
• 40:58
  the
• 40:58
  immeasurables,
• 41:00
  had
• 41:00
  bigger
• 41:01
  reactions
• 41:03
  to
• 41:03
  provocative
• 41:04
  stimuli
• 41:05
  than
• 41:06
  hundreds,
• 41:07
  if
• 41:07
  not
• 41:07
  thousands
• 41:08
  of
• 41:08
  undergraduates
• 41:09
  at
• 41:09
  University
• 41:10
  of
• 41:10
  Wisconsin.
• 41:11
  Not
• 41:11
  smaller,
• 41:12
  bigger.
• 41:13
  So
• 41:13
  they
• 41:13
  weren't
• 41:14
  dampening
• 41:16
  their
• 41:16
  responses.
• 41:17
  They
• 41:17
  were
• 41:18
  increasing
• 41:18
  their
• 41:19
  capacity
• 41:19
  to
• 41:20
  feel.
• 41:21
  And
• 41:21
  again,
• 41:23
  this
• 41:23
  is
• 41:23
  a
• 41:24
  conflation,
• 41:25
  a
• 41:25
  confusion
• 41:26
  that
• 41:26
  happens
• 41:27
  so
• 41:27
  much
• 41:27
  with
• 41:28
  equanimity.
• 41:28
  Oh,
• 41:29
  like
• 41:29
  I'm
• 41:29
  going
• 41:29
  to
• 41:30
  chill
• 41:30
  out.
• 41:30
  I'm
• 41:31
  going
• 41:31
  to
• 41:31
  be
• 41:32
  somewhat
• 41:32
  indifferent,
• 41:33
  removed,
• 41:34
  detached.
• 41:35
  Then
• 41:35
  I'll
• 41:35
  be
• 41:35
  equanimous.
• 41:37
  Actually,
• 41:38
  we're
• 41:38
  talking
• 41:39
  about
• 41:39
  something
• 41:39
  very
• 41:40
  different.
• 41:41
  I'm
• 41:41
  going
• 41:41
  to
• 41:42
  increase
• 41:42
  my
• 41:42
  capacity
• 41:43
  to
• 41:43
  feel
• 41:44
  more
• 41:45
  to.
• 41:46
  You
• 41:46
  know,
• 41:47
  someone
• 41:47
  was
• 41:47
  talking
• 41:48
  about
• 41:48
  equanimity
• 41:48
  the
• 41:49
  other
• 41:49
  day.
• 41:49
  I
• 41:49
  think
• 41:49
  it
• 41:50
  was
• 41:50
  James
• 41:50
  Barras.
• 41:51
  He
• 41:51
  had
• 41:52
  a
• 41:52
  picture
• 41:52
  of
• 41:52
  Kuan
• 41:53
  Yin,
• 41:53
  you
• 41:54
  know,
• 41:54
  who's
• 41:54
  so
• 41:55
  famous
• 41:55
  for
• 41:55
  feeling
• 41:56
  all
• 41:56
  the
• 41:57
  pain
• 41:57
  of
• 41:57
  the
• 41:57
  world.
• 41:57
  You
• 41:58
  know,
• 41:58
  she's
• 41:59
  like
• 41:59
  a
• 42:00
  beautiful
• 42:00
  symbol
• 42:01
  of
• 42:01
  that.
• 42:02
  And
• 42:02
  there's
• 42:02
  a
• 42:03
  statue
• 42:03
  of
• 42:03
  her
• 42:04
  draped
• 42:05
  casually.
• 42:06
  She
• 42:06
  just
• 42:06
  couldn't
• 42:07
  look
• 42:07
  more
• 42:07
  relaxed.
• 42:08
  And
• 42:09
  she's
• 42:09
  got
• 42:09
  one
• 42:10
  leg
• 42:10
  up
• 42:10
  and
• 42:10
  one
• 42:11
  arm
• 42:11
  up,
• 42:11
  and
• 42:11
  I'm.
• 42:12
  You
• 42:12
  know,
• 42:12
  your
• 42:13
  listeners
• 42:13
  can't
• 42:13
  see
• 42:14
  me,
• 42:14
  but
• 42:14
  you
• 42:14
  can
• 42:14
  look
• 42:15
  for
• 42:15
  images
• 42:16
  of
• 42:16
  Kuan
• 42:16
  Yin.
• 42:18
  She's
• 42:18
  hearing
• 42:19
  all
• 42:19
  the
• 42:19
  cries
• 42:19
  of
• 42:20
  the
• 42:20
  world
• 42:21
  and
• 42:21
  she's
• 42:22
  open
• 42:22
  and
• 42:23
  relaxed.
• 42:23
  And
• 42:24
  that
• 42:24
  is
• 42:25
  a
• 42:25
  possibility
• 42:26
  for
• 42:26
  us
• 42:26
  as
• 42:27
  human
• 42:27
  beings.
• 42:28
  Stay
• 42:29
  tuned
• 42:29
  for
• 42:29
  part
• 42:29
  two
• 42:29
  of
• 42:30
  our
• 42:30
  conversation
• 42:30
  with
• 42:31
  Margaret
• 42:31
  Cullen,
• 42:31
  where
• 42:32
  we
• 42:32
  continue
• 42:32
  our
• 42:32
  exploration
• 42:33
  of
• 42:33
  equanimity
• 42:34
  and
• 42:34
  learn
• 42:34
  how
• 42:35
  we
• 42:35
  can
• 42:35
  cultivate
• 42:36
  it
• 42:36
  in
• 42:36
  our
• 42:36
  own
• 42:36
  lives.
• 42:37
  Thank
• 42:37
  you
• 42:37
  very
• 42:38
  much
• 42:38
  for
• 42:38
  being
• 42:39
  a
• 42:39
  part
• 42:39
  of
• 42:39
  this
• 42:39
  conversation.
• 42:40
  We
• 42:40
  hope
• 42:41
  that
• 42:41
  you
• 42:41
  were
• 42:41
  moved,
• 42:42
  as
• 42:42
  we
• 42:42
  are
• 42:42
  moved,
• 42:43
  being
• 42:43
  part
• 42:43
  of
• 42:43
  it
• 42:44
  ourselves.
• 42:44
  We'd
• 42:45
  also
• 42:45
  like
• 42:45
  to
• 42:45
  say
• 42:46
  that
• 42:46
  this
• 42:46
  is
• 42:46
  being
• 42:47
  funded
• 42:47
  by
• 42:47
  Roger
• 42:48
  and
• 42:48
  myself.
• 42:48
  It
• 42:48
  comes
• 42:49
  out
• 42:49
  of
• 42:49
  our
• 42:49
  pockets.
• 42:49
  So
• 42:50
  if
• 42:50
  you
• 42:50
  would
• 42:50
  like
• 42:50
  to
• 42:50
  help
• 42:51
  us
• 42:51
  to
• 42:51
  mainly
• 42:52
  to
• 42:52
  get
• 42:52
  this
• 42:53
  podcast
• 42:53
  out
• 42:53
  to
• 42:53
  more,
• 42:54
  more
• 42:54
  people
• 42:54
  because
• 42:54
  the
• 42:55
  bigger
• 42:55
  audience
• 42:55
  have,
• 42:55
  which
• 42:56
  is
• 42:56
  steadily
• 42:56
  growing,
• 42:56
  but
• 42:57
  the
• 42:57
  more
• 42:57
  people
• 42:57
  we
• 42:58
  can
• 42:58
  reach
• 42:58
  and
• 42:58
  the
• 42:58
  more
• 42:58
  marketing
• 42:59
  we
• 42:59
  can
• 42:59
  do,
• 42:59
  the
• 43:00
  more
• 43:00
  positive
• 43:00
  effect
• 43:01
  we
• 43:01
  can
• 43:01
  have
• 43:01
  on
• 43:01
  the
• 43:02
  world.
• 43:02
  So
• 43:02
  we've
• 43:02
  done
• 43:03
  that
• 43:03
  a
• 43:03
  couple
• 43:03
  of
• 43:03
  ways.
• 43:03
  But
• 43:04
  we'd
• 43:04
  like
• 43:04
  you
• 43:04
  to
• 43:04
  buy
• 43:05
  us
• 43:05
  a
• 43:05
  cup
• 43:05
  of
• 43:05
  coffee.
• 43:06
  Very
• 43:06
  simple.
• 43:06
  And
• 43:06
  I
• 43:07
  do
• 43:07
  that
• 43:07
  with
• 43:07
  podcasts
• 43:08
  that
• 43:08
  I
• 43:09
  support
• 43:09
  and
• 43:10
  I
• 43:10
  find
• 43:10
  it
• 43:10
  very
• 43:10
  satisfying.
• 43:11
  So
• 43:12
  thank
• 43:12
  you
• 43:12
  for
• 43:12
  your
• 43:12
  help,
• 43:13
  thank
• 43:13
  you
• 43:13
  for
• 43:13
  your
• 43:13
  presence
• 43:14
  and
• 43:14
  thank
• 43:14
  you
• 43:14
  for
• 43:15
  all
• 43:15
  you
• 43:15
  are
• 43:15
  and
• 43:16
  all
• 43:16
  you
• 43:16
  do.
• 43:16
  We
• 43:16
  love
• 43:17
  you.
• 43:19
  Sa.