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Joe Rogan Experience _2538 - Joe DeRosa(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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  Speaker 1: by night, all day.
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  Speaker 2: Cheers. Good to see you. I went through a whole,
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  Speaker 2: like a series of different coffee machines that I tried out.
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  Speaker 2: I tried out one of them that was like this
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  Speaker 2: little thing that's like a tea dipper, almost, like for
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  Speaker 2: an individual cup of coffee. You put the grounds in
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  Speaker 2: this little thing. It's a little tiny press.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And you boil the water, put it in the coffee cup,
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  Speaker 2: and then you sit in there like it's tea. And
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  Speaker 2: then you press it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And it makes like a French press.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So then I went to an AeroPress. I like that
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  Speaker 2: one a lot.
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  Speaker 1: What's an AeroPress?
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  Speaker 2: I use that every day. So with an AeroPress, I
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  Speaker 2: boil the water, grind the beans, and then I pour
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  Speaker 2: it into this glass tube. And the glass tube has
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  Speaker 2: a filter at the bottom of it, like a mesh filter.
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  Speaker 2: Like a steel or an aluminum, some kind of metal mesh.
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  Speaker 2: And then that's what it looks like. And so you
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  Speaker 2: press down and it makes a cup of coffee real quick.
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  Speaker 2: And it's one cup. And so that's what I like.
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  Speaker 2: Because I was making coffee, like I was doing French
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  Speaker 2: press for a while. I had a coffee machine. But
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  Speaker 2: the issue is that you're not supposed to really be
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  Speaker 2: drinking out of hot plastic. All that shit's plastic. There's plastic.
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  Speaker 2: The water goes into plastic. There's plastic here and plastic there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to eliminate as much plastic in my life
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  Speaker 2: as possibly, as I possibly can.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you too, I, a couple times in
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  Speaker 4: my adult life, splurged on, you know, some fucking.
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  Speaker 1: One.
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  Speaker 2: Of them Italian espresso machines?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. You know one of those? It grinds the
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  Speaker 1: beans every time you're gonna.
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  Speaker 4: Those fucking things go sideways on you in a year,
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  Speaker 4: and then you're like, I gotta get it fixed, and
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  Speaker 4: they're like, yeah, there's a shop, it's 90 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: North of you, you drive the machine up there, and
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  Speaker 1: you're just like... Fuck this shit, man. So I went back.
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  Speaker 1: I have an espresso, and you put the fucking pot
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  Speaker 1: in and whatever.
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  Speaker 2: There's a company that makes one. I should shout them out.
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  Speaker 2: That makes one that's all steel. I think it's called
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  Speaker 2: Simply Good Coffee. I followed them on Instagram. I haven't
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  Speaker 2: used their machine, but that's all steel. It's an all
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  Speaker 2: steel coffee machine, which is what you want. But I've
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  Speaker 2: got it down to the AeroPress. The AeroPress, to me,
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  Speaker 2: very simple. The minimal amount of like parts. It's just
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  Speaker 2: a tube. The grinds. The coffee tastes pure. It's simple.
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  Speaker 2: I make one cup of coffee a day.
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  Speaker 4: Here is what I miss because I will drink a
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  Speaker 4: lot of coffee if I'm able to.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what I miss about like a traditional Mr. Coffee
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  Speaker 1: pot of coffee.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You set it. It starts doing it in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: You wake up. It's already going, you know. Right. I
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  Speaker 1: get two cups hot in the morning.
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  Speaker 4: I put it in the fridge. And then in the
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  Speaker 4: afternoon when I start feeling sluggish, I got two cold cups.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just a nice.
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  Speaker 2: So you just want volume.
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  Speaker 1: I love volume.
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  Speaker 2: Then make a French press. It'll taste better. This right here.
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  Speaker 1: But then you got to make it every time. You
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  Speaker 1: got to do one cup every time.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have a job. You lazy motherfucker. You don't
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  Speaker 2: even have a job. You literally talk shit for a
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  Speaker 2: living and you're like, oh, making coffee so hard. Someone
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  Speaker 2: had a skin of fucking buffalo just to stay warm
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  Speaker 2: in the winter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Just to stay alive. They had to shred the skin
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  Speaker 2: off of it with a stone knife and they had
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  Speaker 2: to pull it and stretch it and tan it and put.
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  Speaker 2: animal brains on it to make sure that it's softened
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  Speaker 2: up and salted down.
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  Speaker 1: And guess what? If you would have said to that guy, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we got this thing called Mr. Buffalo, it'll just do
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  Speaker 1: it real fast. He would have been like, okay, this sucks.
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  Speaker 2: Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Buffalo.
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  Speaker 2: He would be fucking sitting in his teepee going, bro, Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Buffalo's the shit. He'd get fat and lazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So true.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I like to make more than one cup
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  Speaker 1: at once. So that thing, that airbrush.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, French press is so easy. You talk about making
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  Speaker 2: it hard. This right here? Mm-hmm. This is an all-metal
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  Speaker 2: French press, no plastic parts at all. It's the fucking
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  Speaker 2: easiest thing in the world, dude.
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  Speaker 1: So this can make a full pot, though?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Oh, okay. Well, then that's... Yeah, look at this.
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  Speaker 2: And this is not expensive. It's just a steel French press.
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  Speaker 2: This is the best-tasting coffee you're ever going to get
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  Speaker 2: because it's got all the oils from the beans, man.
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  Speaker 2: You get, like, the real coffee dorks. You know, there's
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  Speaker 2: something happens in the filter. So in the filter, yes,
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  Speaker 2: you remove the grinds. Yes. But also you remove some
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  Speaker 2: of the flavor. Yes. Just a touch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's funny, man. Back when I was.
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  Speaker 4: Still involved with the sandwich shop, one of the things
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  Speaker 4: I learned that I never knew, because you had to
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  Speaker 4: take a test to get a food handler's license and
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  Speaker 4: all this shit, was... I didn't know that food started
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  Speaker 4: breaking down the moment you cut it.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Because I was getting into, at
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  Speaker 1: the time, meal prep and shit.
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  Speaker 4: If I cut up, if I chop the tomatoes now,
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  Speaker 4: if I chop the carrots now, the cucumbers now, it'll
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  Speaker 4: be way easier to just throw a salad.
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  Speaker 1: Together every day.
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  Speaker 4: It'll make me eat the good thing because it'll be fast.
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  Speaker 4: And then I learned, no, as soon as you cut something,
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  Speaker 4: it starts to break down.
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  Speaker 2: Is this just vegetables?
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  Speaker 4: I think it's mainly vegetables. I don't think raw meat
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  Speaker 4: is fine or whatever, but vegetables.
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  Speaker 2: That makes sense because the inside is exposed to the air.
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  Speaker 1: But it's got to be the same principle with coffee beans,
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  Speaker 1: I would think, right? Like once they're ground.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good question. Yeah, I think people like to
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  Speaker 2: grind them right before they– I always grind them right
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  Speaker 2: before I make the coffee, which is easy. I will
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  Speaker 2: grind them. It's a one-step, one button. I press it.
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  Speaker 2: It takes 13 seconds. I count it. It goes. 13
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  Speaker 2: seconds is the exact amount of beans that I want
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  Speaker 2: for one strong cup of coffee, one strong cup of
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  Speaker 2: coffee with that AeroPress thing. But it's the same thing
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  Speaker 2: with a French press. You take it. You just get
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  Speaker 2: a determined amount, and you can dial the knob on
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  Speaker 2: the grinder. It's so easy. Grinders are so simple. So listen,
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  Speaker 2: all you do is you take that ground coffee after
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  Speaker 2: it comes into the little cup, You pour it into
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  Speaker 2: the bottom of the fucking French press, and then you
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  Speaker 2: pour the hot water in. Done. That's it. And then
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  Speaker 2: you wait one minute, and then you push this fucking
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  Speaker 2: plunger down, and you drink the best coffee in the world.
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  Speaker 2: And it doesn't have any plastic, and it doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: any bullshit, and there's no moving parts. There's nothing. It's
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  Speaker 2: just that thing. And if the grinder breaks, you get
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  Speaker 2: another fucking grinder. Okay? And grinders don't break. I've never
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  Speaker 2: had a grinder break.
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  Speaker 1: But you've got to boil the water first, correct? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God.
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  Speaker 2: Are you okay? Are you going to be okay? You've
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  Speaker 2: got to turn the knob on the stove. Are you
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  Speaker 2: going to be okay? What the fuck is wrong with
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  Speaker 2: this guy? I hit a button on the boiler.
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  Speaker 1: This is so ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: He's so ridiculous. He's like, whoa, I can't be the water.
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  Speaker 2: I got to boil it.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, I get out of bed.
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  Speaker 2: Get an automatic kettle. You get a kettle. Okay. There's literally,
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  Speaker 2: I have one that has a setting that says French
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  Speaker 2: press on it. It's a steel kettle. Okay. And it
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  Speaker 2: works all electronically, so it's regulated temperature, and it beeps
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  Speaker 2: when it's done. Press 200 degrees. And then I press
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  Speaker 2: start and it goes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And when that happens, I pour the water onto the beans.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now we're talking.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're talking.
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  Speaker 1: An electric kettle. I'm thinking I got to put a
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  Speaker 1: fucking pot on the stove.
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  Speaker 2: That's even easier, you fucking lazy bitch.
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  Speaker 1: It takes too long. Dude, I get out of it.
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  Speaker 1: You're such a lazy bitch. It's not laziness. You're so lazy.
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  Speaker 1: I swear it's not like this. I wake up with
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  Speaker 1: the dread of humanity in my fucking brain.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just like, I need a cup of coffee immediately
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  Speaker 4: to just start the day and just clear the head.
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  Speaker 1: And the longer that takes, the longer I got to
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  Speaker 1: sit in that wake up anxiety.
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  Speaker 2: I understand.
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  Speaker 1: So, but now we're talking. You know what I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to get? I'm going to get a boiling pot that
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  Speaker 1: you can set a timer on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're easy. They're electronic kettles. They sell them online.
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  Speaker 2: And they have, like, settings for tea, settings for this,
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  Speaker 2: settings for hot cocoa. You know, it's like five or
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  Speaker 2: six different settings or something like that, depending on the model.
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  Speaker 2: All right. They're fucking so easy, dude.
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  Speaker 1: You sold me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's the best coffee. It tastes good. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't have to think. I had a whole one
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  Speaker 2: of these really nice machines, and it can make an espresso.
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  Speaker 2: It can make a coffee. It can make a latte.
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  Speaker 2: It's got a little fucking foam thing that I've never
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  Speaker 2: used once. Never, never even thought about using it. Never
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  Speaker 2: even thought about steaming milk in my fucking house. Never.
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  Speaker 2: But I always was thinking, I'm just, it's all plastic.
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  Speaker 2: Every time I filled up the water thing, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: this is all plastic. Everything's plastic.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what I saw, though, that made me
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  Speaker 4: want to get the thing again with the cream steamer?
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  Speaker 4: Because I don't put cream in, so I don't have
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  Speaker 4: any use for it.
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  Speaker 2: Black coffee, right?
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  Speaker 1: Black coffee, always.
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  Speaker 2: Fucking man. Always. Yeah, yeah. Me too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Tony shits on it.
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  Speaker 2: Of course he does. Tony needs a fucking umbrella in
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  Speaker 2: his coffee. Yeah. He needs an umbrella and a pineapple.
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  Speaker 1: A cookie with it, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he holds it with one pinky out when he
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  Speaker 2: drinks his coffee.
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  Speaker 1: I go, I drink it black. He goes, ah, you
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  Speaker 1: fucking hate condiments. I was like, what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: I like the taste of coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I genuinely like black coffee.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I saw, though, that made me want
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  Speaker 4: to get the foam steamer was not for foam.
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  Speaker 1: You know Alton Brown?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love Alton Brown.
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  Speaker 4: He did a thing, he did a video where he
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  Speaker 4: made this thing with eggs and he used the foam
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  Speaker 4: steamer to like foam the eggs up. And I was like,
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  Speaker 4: this looks, I want to get it just for that,
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  Speaker 4: just to do the thing with the eggs.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. So you're lazy when it comes to making coffee,
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  Speaker 2: but you go way out of the way for some
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  Speaker 2: foamy eggs.
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  Speaker 1: I'll cook. You use a steamer? I like to cook.
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  Speaker 1: I'll cook.
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  Speaker 2: There it is right here.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: He said this is like apparently incredible. It's like two eggs,
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  Speaker 1: a little cheese.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting. And so you... You whisk it up like that,
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  Speaker 2: and then you add the foam, and the foam cooks it?
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  Speaker 2: Is that how he's cooking it, with the foam?
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  Speaker 1: He cooks the eggs with the foam. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: So what is in the foamer? Is it just hot water? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So this hot water from the steam is cooking
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  Speaker 2: his eggs.
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  Speaker 1: Look at the egg cooking. Look at that.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty fucking dope.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that.
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  Speaker 2: He's eating. Or you just eat eggs. What the fuck's
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  Speaker 2: wrong with you? Just crack some fucking eggs. Fry some eggs.
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  Speaker 2: What's the problem?
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  Speaker 1: You don't think that looks good?
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't look as good as sunny side up eggs.
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  Speaker 1: Foamy eggs?
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  Speaker 2: I was looking at it and I was like, fuck
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  Speaker 2: those foamy eggs. I want a real egg.
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  Speaker 1: Could you imagine Duncan toasting those foamy eggs? Come on.
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  Speaker 2: No, because I don't even eat toast.
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  Speaker 1: Come on. Toast once in a while. Occasionally.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know when I get it? With steak tartare.
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  Speaker 2: I like those little toast points.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You ever get some steak tartare with the toast points
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  Speaker 2: at J. Carver? You ever go to J.
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  Speaker 3: Carver?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. What's your favorite spot in Austin to get
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  Speaker 1: a meal?
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  Speaker 2: It's impossible to say. There's so many good spots. There's
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  Speaker 2: so many good spots. Austin is crazy with the amount
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  Speaker 2: of great restaurants, like really high-end restaurants. I've eaten steak
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  Speaker 2: at every fucking restaurant in town, and I've got to
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  Speaker 2: think the best one is Jeffrey's. Jeffries is.
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  Speaker 1: I still haven't gone. I got to go. It's perfection.
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  Speaker 2: They're all great. I've never had a bad steak at
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  Speaker 2: Jay Carver's. I've never had a bad steak at Eddie V's.
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  Speaker 2: They're all great. But there's something about whatever Jeffries is doing.
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  Speaker 2: I think they got rated the number two steakhouse in
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  Speaker 2: the country. Something crazy like that.
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  Speaker 1: I got to go to Jeffries. I've been dragging my ass.
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  Speaker 1: I love Jay Carver.
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  Speaker 2: Jay Carver's amazing. Amazing. Their steak is different. Jeffrey's Steak,
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  Speaker 2: like Jay Carver's Steak, he's using one of those Argentine grills.
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  Speaker 2: So it's all live fire over wood. Delicious flavor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But man, there's like another level. Like whatever Jeffrey's doing,
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  Speaker 2: like fuck.
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  Speaker 4: I go, I love Gary, the bartender at Eddie V's.
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  Speaker 4: And he makes killer martinis. I love to go in
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  Speaker 4: and get a martini.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great bar.
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  Speaker 1: Shrimp cocktail.
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful bar.
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  Speaker 1: And some steak. But I love, I got to tell you,
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  Speaker 1: it's the same owners as Jay Carver.
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  Speaker 4: I actually think I like the steak at Red Ash
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  Speaker 4: a little bit better than Jake Harbor.
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  Speaker 1: How?
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  Speaker 4: There's just something different about it. I don't know what
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  Speaker 4: the difference in the prep is, but just the steak.
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  Speaker 4: And then also having the option of all the Italian
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  Speaker 4: foods that you can get with the steak.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Red Ash is phenomenal, too. They have another place
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  Speaker 2: called the Kimberly. That place is phenomenal, too.
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  Speaker 1: Kimberly's very good.
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  Speaker 2: There's too many good restaurants. You have an abundance of
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  Speaker 2: choices here.
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  Speaker 1: It took.
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  Speaker 4: It took a minute because when I first moved back,
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  Speaker 4: because I was here in 2000 for a year, when
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  Speaker 4: I first moved back, you know, I was in New
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  Speaker 4: York for so long, I forgot like Austin is more
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  Speaker 4: of a destination city. You have to kind of find
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  Speaker 4: the places. And Tommy Pope was like, dude, give me
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  Speaker 4: your phone. And he went into my Google Maps and
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  Speaker 4: he bookmarked 10 spots and was like, Get this here,
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  Speaker 4: get this there, get this here. In every spot, I
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  Speaker 4: was like, okay, now we're rocking and rolling.
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  Speaker 1: It was great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine back in the day before the internet, you
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  Speaker 2: couldn't just Google, like, what's the best steakhouse in Austin.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's kind of an amazing thing now. You
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  Speaker 2: get to be told about a restaurant. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I do that in cities. When I'm on the road,
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  Speaker 4: I'll look up what's the best Italian sandwich in the city.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes it's right. Sometimes it's like.
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  Speaker 1: You know, restaurant.
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  Speaker 2: The most popular touristy place.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes it's just a place that paid for publicity, so
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  Speaker 4: they're getting on these lists. And it's not accurate. But
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  Speaker 4: when you find it, it's great. The Internet is a
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  Speaker 4: great tool to help find these places. Like you said,
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  Speaker 4: it used to just be word of mouth. You used
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  Speaker 4: to say, what's good? And now you're depending on some
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  Speaker 4: guy's opinion, which is not always the best.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's some certain places. It's like people are
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  Speaker 2: your own little Siskel and Ebert for movies, but for restaurants. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you've got to find a fat guy who loves food.
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  Speaker 2: That guy's going to tell you where the best spots are.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know who knows everything.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: There's like East Coast places, though, that you're just never
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: going to get anywhere else other than the East Coast.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: There's certain like kind of small Italian restaurants in particular.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: There's this place I used to go to when I
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: lived in New Rochelle, Frank and John's. I think it
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: was Frankie and Johnny's. I think that's what it was called. Okay.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: In New Rochelle, this Italian place. It was so fucking insane.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: It was so insane.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: It was so good. They made a movie about that.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: There was a movie called Frankie and Johnny with Al Pacino.
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: And I think it's about that restaurant. I think he
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: works at that restaurant.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: It's got to be.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of restaurants. Right? But it's called. I mean,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: I'm 90% sure it was in New Rochelle because that's
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: where I lived. I lived in New Rochelle. If it
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: wasn't in New Rochelle, it was in the surrounding areas,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: like maybe Mount Vernon or something like that. But, oh,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: my God, dude, it was so good. When I got
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: my first development deal, my manager thought that I had
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: a gambling problem. But it was really just because I
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: was eating steak and lobster every night. It's.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Where's all your money going?
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: He's like, what are you doing? You're spending so much money.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Do you have a gambling problem? And I was like, no,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: I'm eating steak and lobster every night. I've been poor
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: my whole life. I'm fucking eating like a king. Until
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: this shit runs out, I don't even know if it's
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: going to last, but I'm riding this bitch right into
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: the rocks.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: My favorite thing about when I finally got to a
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: point of some financial stability with this crazy career that
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: you go through for a long time without knowing what's
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: next is But my favorite thing was when I could go,
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: I can eat whatever I want now. Like that was
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: a huge moment to me.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: That's one of the biggest. Brian Callen said that to
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: me once. He goes, other than obviously taking care of
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: your family and mortgage and all that stuff, after like
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: life necessity, the big change, the big change is being
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: able to go to a restaurant and order whatever you
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: want and not think about it, not worry about the bill.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: And if you can do that, you have real freedom.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: That's the first big leap. And then everything after that
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: is these little things. It's great. Oh, look, I live
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: in a nice apartment. Oh, look, I have a nice car. Oh, look,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: I got the shoes that I wanted. Oh, look, that's
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: all fine. That's nice. But the weight that's lifted off
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: of you when you don't have to worry about your bills,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: that's number one. That's the big one. That's the giant leap.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: That's between the two buildings. I don't know if this
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: is going to work out. to wee, bump. Okay, I'm
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: going to be okay. Now it's just about how hard
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: do I work and what kind of success do I have?
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: But I can feed myself now with no fears.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Dude, I actually might have said this to you the
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: last time I was here. I don't remember. But it's.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: The most profound moment for me in practicing gratitude for
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: my life.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I swear to God, it's the supermarkets.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: When I check out at the supermarket, I try to
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: remind myself, you just pulled whatever you wanted off the
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: shelf to fill your cart and you didn't have to
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: worry about, can I pay for this or not? You're
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: checking out and you're paying for your groceries and it
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: costs what it costs. I was like, there are people
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: that don't have this, man.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Remember this.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: A ton of people. Here's the question, though. Do you
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: think that there's value in not having that when you're
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: young and then developing that sort of drive and ambition
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: and desire to earn money and get something because you
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: know what it's like to be poor.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Or do you think the world would be a far
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: better place if instead of people having to concentrate on
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: necessities like food and shelter, society reaches a point where
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: that is a given and no one ever has to
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: worry about food and shelter. And now it's all about
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: what do you want to pursue and how much energy
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: you put into it? Or do you think that you
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: have to have that struggle?
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: I think, look, I don't think that that struggle and
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: the transition out of that struggle is ever bad for anybody.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: I think it builds your spirit and it builds.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Who you are.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: That said, the other version of it, I don't know
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: because it's just not a thing that we have here.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: It's not a thing that people have ever experienced here.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: And I don't even know if they really experience it
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: anywhere else. I mean, I think there's like forms of socialism,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: but they all involve oppression. They all involve government overreach.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Any real socialist system always involves like serious restrictions on
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: what you can and can't do.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: I will tell you this, and this might be a
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: byproduct of the culture we live in because we don't
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: have it. I will say there is a noticeable difference
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: to me between people I am friendly with that grew
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: up with money and people that I know that grew
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: up that didn't have it.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Right, but is that because of our society?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: That's my question.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: This is the question that I have. Is it necessary
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: that that has to be your struggle in order to
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: develop the kind of discipline that you need to be
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: successful in life?
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Or.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: is it just our society is fucked up and that
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: desperation that we're putting into people, you're just making the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: motivation different. Like you're enforcing the idea of greed because
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: people become selfish because no one was looking out for
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: them and they have a chip on their shoulder, all
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: that shit. But you don't necessarily have to have that
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: to have interest in pursuing something to the best of
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: your abilities. Yeah.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: It's, it's, it's, it's a tough thing to define. It's,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: it really is.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: I think, um, I think there's bonuses to both. But
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I also think, too, in the socialist society thing, hey,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: isn't it great if you can go, hey, man, I'm
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: a waiter, and I'm able to live a normal life
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: and buy a house and be normal, you know, whatever.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not socialist. That's just a— we' re fucked in
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: terms of, like, the amount people earn versus what you
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: can buy versus, like, the 1950s. The 1950s, you know—
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: The way a person can make a living and feed
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: an entire family off of one paycheck, it was way easier. Yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: It was a lot easier. Yeah.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Well, it always makes me laugh because one of my
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: favorite TV shows of all time is All in the Family, right?
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: And the whole thing with All in the Family was
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: supposed to be that they were kind of struggling. Like,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Archie was a cab driver, and they didn't have a
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: lot of money, whatever. You look at that fucking house
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: they lived in, you're like, that house would be— $ 10.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: 3 million now. They're living pretty fucking good.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: It's a nice house. Right. It's all clean and nice inside.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: It's got two floors.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the guy's a cab driver.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So it's a tough thing.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: But as far as the society we live in personally,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: I think it's better to have known what nothing is
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: and then go to appreciating what you do have.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know because I've never grown up any other way.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: But I wonder if you have conscientious parents and you're
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: a young kid and your dad just sits you down
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: and tells you, hey, buddy, you can be whatever you want,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: but you're going to have to fucking put in the work.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: There's only one way out of this thing. And nobody
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: rides for free. And if you do ride for free,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: you're going to be depressed. If somebody gives you everything
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: that you have, those are the people that are the
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: most aimless. The rich kids that I've met that have
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: no– like they've had money their entire life. Like their
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: parents just give them a trust fund so they don't
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: have to work and they're worth like a ton of money.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: They're all sad.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: They're all sad. They're all super insecure. They all act
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: real weird.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: I know one or two people that had trust funds,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: grew up like that, but still worked their asses off.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: That's great. Because, again, you're saying it's what the parents–
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I think a.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Big part of that is what the parents are telling you.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: There's all this talk now of Nepo babies and all
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: that stuff. I was good friends years ago with Eden,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Eden Brolin. She's Josh Brolin's daughter. And she was very
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: close with her dad. I remember, I remember she was
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: in my house one day in LA and she's like,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I'm not supposed to tell anybody. My dad's going to
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: be Thanos in the Marvel movies. And I was like,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: that's fucking crazy.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Right. So like, so like, But she, dude, she worked
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: for every fucking thing. I became friends with her because
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: she was a hostess at the stand in New York.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Like she always had regular jobs. She plays in a
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: band now. She does some acting, but she is not in.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: A situation where her dad put her wherever.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: And I think it's because they're very close, but I
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: think it was because she was just raised in a
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: way where he's like, you're.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Going to earn your shit and, you know, and you're
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: going to do your thing. And And she's an amazing person.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Like there was none of that, none of that my
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: dad's famous and I'm comfortable arrogance.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: But he's a cool guy. He's a very normal guy.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I never met him.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: He's a very nice guy. Yeah. Very, very smart and
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: very normal. Like you can hang out with him, talk
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: to him, jokes around. He's like, he's very present.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people like that that you
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: think of, you know. You think of actors as all
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: being these fucking aloof weirdos who live in this bizarre, liberal,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: like progressive leftist bubble. And a lot of them are.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: There's a giant number that are. But, man, there's a
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: ton of like really solid, cool people that are actors.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Like Billy Bob Thornton.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Cool as fuck, man.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: He seems awesome.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: So cool. He actually got me this short shirt. Shout
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: out to him.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I said, nice shirt, man. So he hooked it up.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I'd love to meet him.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: He's great.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I'd love to meet him.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: He's great. There's a lot of those guys that are
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: really great. Woody Harrelson's fucking great.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Matt McConaughey's great.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Great guys. I became friendly with Woody and his wife
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: through Tony. He's so nice. He's the fucking best. They're
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: both amazing.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's so fucking cool, man. So cool and present.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Has zero ego. He's just always chill and hanging out,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: always super friendly and nice to everybody. Woody's so nice.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: He said a thing to me.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: The first time I ever hung out with him, he
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: came to kill Tony, and we were drinking after the show,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: and we had a great time. And at the end
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: of the night, he just goes, and Tony had plugged
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: my special at the beginning of the show or whatever.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: And at the end of the night, And, I mean,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: we'd had a few.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: We were in Mitzi's. We were all kind of just
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: getting into that, swaying around, you know. And I was like,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: it was great to meet you, man. And he goes, yeah, man,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: it was fun tonight. And he goes, I'm going to
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: watch your special. And I go, thanks, man.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: And he goes, I never promised you a rose garden.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, that's the name. And he's like,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to watch.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: I'm like, this fucking guy remembered the name.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Of my special from a plug reel. Five hours ago.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: And I was like, that's fucking awesome, man. That's very cool. Like,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: what a fucking.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: He's just a good dude. Yeah.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: What an awesome dude.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they exist, Matt. You know, there's a lot of
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: them out there. You'd be shocked. Matt Damon and Ben Affleck,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: very cool guys. Like, talk to them on and off air.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I've talked to Matt before. I actually randomly ran into
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Matt Damon a few years back in Italy at a
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: restaurant where he was seated under a.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Picture of him.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: So I had already met him before at the UFC.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: And then we were in Italy. I was with my
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: family and he was with his family. And he sat down.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: We were already sitting down and we were right across.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I go, oh, look at that picture of Matt Damon.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: And then literally Matt Damon walks in and sits right
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: under the picture of Matt Damon. I go, hey, Matt.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: He's like, hey, what are you doing here? Gave me
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: a big hug. And I was like, but this is
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: so meta.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: So strange to like look at a photo of a
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: guy on the wall and go, oh, I know him. Yeah.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: That's Matt Damon.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: And then he comes in and sits right there, right
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: after you say it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: That's so funny.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: What are the odds?
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: That's so funny.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: What are the odds?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see, did you ever see Autofocus? The
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Bob Crane movie?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yes. What a crazy movie, man.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I love that movie.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: That movie's crazy. Do you think the guy killed him,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: his buddy?
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: I do.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I do. It seems like it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I do. I think so. But that's, when they show
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: how he would get laid on the road. Crazy.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: He would wait for the reruns of Hogan's Heroes to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: be on TV and then he'd sit in front of
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: the television.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: He knew when they were on. And there's that scene
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: where he tells the bartender, he goes, could you put
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: on Channel 22, whatever. She puts it on and he's
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: sitting under it and then the hot chick comes up
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: and she goes, oh my God, is that you? And
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: he goes, oh, how embarrassing. Oh my God.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Well, back then, you got to think Hogan's Heroes, first
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: of all, How much has society changed and how much
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: more sensitive have people gotten when you think that Hogan's
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Heroes was a show about a Nazi concentration camp and
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: it was a comedy.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: It was a comedy.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: It was a comedy about prisoners of war that were
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: captured by the Nazis.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And they had like lovable Nazis.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Lovable Nazis that were like bumbling buddies. Nobody died. The
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: show was on for like five years. Nobody died.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: How many seasons did Hogan's Heroes go?
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: 168 episodes, six seasons.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: God damn.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: 168 episodes, six seasons, and no one died.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: They didn't kill anybody?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: No. How many people died on Hogan's Heroes? Run that
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: through our AI sponsor, Perplexity. How many people died during
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: World War II in a Nazi prison?
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Not a one. Not a one. Nobody got tortured.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: In six years and 148 episodes.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: It's so insane.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Do you think they get into a little.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Bit of this in the movie, but they play it down?
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: But do you think there was a lot of pushback?
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Do you think there was like, they were like, what
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: are you, fucking crazy?
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: We can't make this show. This is nuts. Or was
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: it just there?
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: In the movie, was there pushback? I don't remember.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: There's a little bit where he's like, it's kind of crazy.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Almost nobody dies on screen or as a plot event
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: in Hogan's Heroes. It was a broad comedy and the
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: regular heroes, Hogan, Klink. Heroes. Klink. Colonel Klink.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Schultz.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: The fucking Nazi guard? He's a hero. And the prisoners
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: survived the series. The notable fictional death of Major Wolfgang Hochstetter,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: who was reportedly killed during an Allied bombing raid, and
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: the Commandant dies at dawn. The title is misleading. Colonel
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Klink is not killed, so the practical answer is one
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: named reoccurring character with occasional unnamed wartime casualties. implied rather
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: than shown. Yeah. Nobody died, obviously. That's... Clink was like, remember,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I see nothing.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: He saw nothing.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: He was always like, I got to get out of here.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I see nothing. Like they're all plotting fucking devious things
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: to try to get back at the guards. And he
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: was like, I see nothing.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: It's like having a show where the Klan kidnaps people.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: And then the Klan is like kind of funny.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: The black guys are like breakdancing. The Klan's having a
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: good time with them. Yeah.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: The closest I've ever seen to it is Tarantino in
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Django when he makes the Klan scene funny.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: When they're all kind of dumb. Do you remember that scene?
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: God, I don't remember that scene, unfortunately.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: There's a scene with the Klan, and I think Jonah
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Hill has a cameo in it, and they're all kind
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: of dumb, and it's like funny dialogue with the Klan.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know how he just pulled this off,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: but he did.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: It's the scene with the bags where they're trying to
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: talk about the, like, my wife made mine.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Okay.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, my point was that if you go back
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: to that year, like what year was Hogan's Heroes?
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Was it the 70s? 65 to 71.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: 65 to 71. Okay. Being on television was a very
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: new thing. Oh, yeah. Very new thing. A sitcom star
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: was a very new thing. It was only at the most, what,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: two decades old? How old is The Honeymooners? What year
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: was that?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Honeymooners are the... Early 50s, I believe, right? I think.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: And it was a spinoff of the Gleason Variety Hour,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: whatever the fuck that was called. It was a sketch
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: they did. 55?
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was only on TV for a year. What?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: What year did it start?
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: It says it originally aired from 55 to 56.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: That's the thing.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: The Honeymooners, there's only one season?
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: So I have both Honeymooners box sets because I love
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the show. 39 episodes.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: 39 episodes in one season.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: That's a lot.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: The main box set is called the Classic 39 because
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: that's all the episodes that weren't sketches on the show
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: or anything like that. He did 39 episodes and he
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: was like, we did it.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: It's done. It's like nobody does that now.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: You know, Seinfeld did it and Ricky Gervais does it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: He does three seasons and he goes, that's it. They
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: did 39 and it was a massive success. And they
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: were like, you have to do more of these. And
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: he's like, no, we did it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: We're good. We have nothing left to say. Really? Yeah,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: and then they did reunion shows and shit, but, like,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: that was it. That's wild. That's wild.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Well, he went on to do all kinds of other shit, though. Oh, yeah.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: He was in The Hustler in 62. He played a
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: serious role.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Minnesota Fats. Yeah.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: You know, he was, like, the only guy that's ever
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: been in a movie about a pool player that was
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: a real pool player. Mm-hmm. Like, he could fucking play.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Like, you watch him play in the movie, you're like, oh, okay.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: That's a real pool player.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Like the way he strokes the ball. He strokes the
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: ball like a pro. He could run, I think he
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: ran like 75 balls in straight pool. It might be 100.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: But like the 100 balls is like the number. If
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: you could run 100 balls in straight pool, people are like,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: that guy's legit. He can run 100 balls.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: You know, and he could do that.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Gleason was an incredible.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: What's that, Jamie?
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: It's kind of interesting about the show.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: The sketches were over 35 minutes or more, and the
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: writers felt restricted by the half-hour format.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: So that partially had something to... Also, he had a
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: contract issue, too.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: So they felt restricted because they didn't have enough... They wanted.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: More time to... They said it was too slapstick and fast-paced,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: according to TV Guide.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Look at this. He had $ 7 million left on his
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: contract in 1956, which is crazy money. The excellence of
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the material could not be maintained. I had too much
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: fondness for the show to cheapen it. Wow. I mean,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: that is baller shit back then. Like, that is not
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: something people were doing back then.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Or he just got lazy because he had so much money.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: CBS was going to give him a three-year contract for
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: what would have been $ 132 million today. He was going
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: to get close to, like, a million dollars an episode.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Wow. Jesus Christ.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: A million an episode back then?
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: It was close to that.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Like, What today's money was. Oh, what today is. Sorry,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I forget where it was on here.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: But even that's like kind of unheard of.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: When Seinfeld, when it was announced they were all going
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: to get a million an episode, I remember that was
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: like groundbreaking.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: It was like this has never been done before. Right. Whatever.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: This guy was offered the equivalent of that back in
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: 56 and said, nah, I'm good.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Well, he probably already had so much money and he
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: was drunk all the time. Yeah. That guy drank all
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: He was so fun.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Did you ever watch his final interview?
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: He's in the tracksuit, just chain smoking.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: He didn't give a fuck. Tracksuit, chain smoking. Wow, he's
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: making $ 839, 000 now, the equivalent.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: But he had to pay for production costs, it says.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's different. Yeah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Art Carney received $ 3, 500 a week, which is $ 42, 000.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: A week now. Audrey Meadows, $ 2, 000 a week. Wow, women
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: got fucked over back then.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: No, but Jackie Gleason Enterprises was running the show, so
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he fucked her over is what I'm saying. Art
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Carney got fucking almost twice as much as her.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: God damn.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. She was his wife.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Only one person got residuals.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: What?
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, reportedly the only cast member to receive residuals when
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: they were being broadcast.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, because they had to change that shit later. Yeah,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: you know, that's where those strikes and the Writers Union
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: and the SAG, all that stuff plays a part because
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: you get– I got residuals for news radio and they're
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: not what you think they are. Like people think it's
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: going to like change your life. You never have to
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: work again. That's only for the people like Jerry Seinfeld
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: that own the show. The regular people that get residuals,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: it's nice. It's a good thing. But it makes sense.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: They're showing the fucking show over and over and over again.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: It's still your work.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: It does make sense. You're reselling it so it's not
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: the original deal that you had to put it on
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: NBC for one hour. Now it's like a thing where
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: you're going to sell it again and so all the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: actors get paid again. It makes sense.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Dude, I've told you this before. I'm going to tell
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you again so it's documented.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: And I know you're not that interested, but You need
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: to fucking keep acting, dude.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: You're fucking great on that show. That is not easy.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: In my opinion, multicam sitcom, despite it being the easiest
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: job in show business as far as payment time versus reward,
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: it is the hardest type of acting because it is
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: an acting where you have to land jokes and gags
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: and you have to make it convincing. That is very, very,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: very hard to do. You are so fucking good on
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: that show that And I watch news radio all the
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: time still. I told you last time I was here,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: one of the things that got me through COVID was
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: doing news radio front to back.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: You need to keep active.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: That's very nice of you. Thank you very much. But
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I think your idea of what's very hard to do
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: and my idea of what's very hard to do are
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: two totally different things. Because acting on a sitcom is
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: easy as fuck.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: It's so... It's boiling water. You know what?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: This is Joe DeRosa in the green room of the mothership.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: You know what? How many times do you have to
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: say that?
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I go to that green room.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: You're all fucking– I'll go after you, dude.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: You walk funny. You look diseased.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: It's just not– It's fucking easy. If you're a comic,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: it's easy. If you're used to doing stand-up in front
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: of a live audience, that's a lot harder. And then
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the acting, they give you– especially if you're working with
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: great people. I was doing scenes with Dave Foley and
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Maura Tierney and all those. They were amazing. The cast
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: was incredible. Kathy– Excuse me, Vicky Lewis, Andy Dick, Candy Alexander.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Stephen Root.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: They were incredible.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I will say this to you, though. The fact that
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: what you just said, it's easy, is why I think
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: you should be doing it. I think you are a
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: natural fucking actor, and I think you're... Let's.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Just pretend, dude. It doesn't... Listen, it's not Daniel... I've
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: never done Daniel Day-Lewis acting. That's like the real acting.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Val Kilmer acting. Right. In Tombstone. That's real acting.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I think you could. Not interested.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: If I had another life, I love movies. I fucking
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: love movies. You know what's a great show?
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: What's that? A great show?
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: It's called Lucky. It's on Apple. What is that lady's
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: name with the big eyes? Yeah, I watched the first episode.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: She's really beautiful, but very unusual looking. What is her
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: name again? Anna Taylor Joy. Is that her name? I
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: think so. She was in The Queen's Gambit. She fucking
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: killed it in The Queen's Gambit. Anya. Anya.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Anya Taylor- The girl from The Witch, right?
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Is she in that too?
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I think that was her first movie was The Witch.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't watch The Witch. No one in my family
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: would watch it with me. I want to watch it.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I'm a giant Robert Eggers fan. I think he fucking
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: murdered Nosferatu. I think it was the best vampire movie
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: by far of all time.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Nosferatu was dope. The Lighthouse was dope.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: You've seen the werewolf trailer that's coming out? Okay.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Don't you okay me, you son of a bitch.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: I have.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Don't you okay me, you son of a bitch.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Here's what I will say.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: What the fuck are you going to say?
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I love Robert Eggers.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: I'm not knocking it. But it's the fourth movie he's released.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: We're in the trailer. I see black and white footage
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: and a lot of people twitching.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: That's what you need. That's what I'm looking for.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, all right. Come on, bro. I don't know
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: if it's going to be different.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: This looks phenomenal.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Phenomenal. Of course he's twitching. He's turning into a werewolf.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is wrong with you, DeRosa?
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: There's no world where it'll be a bad movie. No world.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Doesn't exist. That guy knocks it out of the park
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: A plus every movie.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: The Witch. The Northman.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Have you seen that?
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Fuck. You didn't love that?
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't love it.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Get out of this room. I didn't. No. Go home.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: You stop.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Go home. I'll tell everybody about your special after you leave.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: You son of a bitch. How could you not like
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: The Northman?
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I wanted more battles. I wanted more like- It was perfection.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: A plus.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: You know what took me out of The Northman?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: He might be my favorite director of all time.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: You know what took me out of The Northman?
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: What? You being a pussy? No.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Take it easy. No, I'll tell you what took me
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: out of it. Nicole Kidman having full plastic surgery in
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: 1650 or whatever. It was taking me out of it.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: It was fucking me up.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Let me see what she looks like back then.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Anya Taylor-Joy is in this movie, too.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Is she? She's in The Northman? Of course she is.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: She rules. She rules.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: But I think Eggers does great work. Or Eggers, excuse me,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: does great work.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, dude, he's the best. I think he's my favorite
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: director of all time, next to Tarantino. Tarantino's always going
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: to be number one. But this guy's... Because I feel
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: like there's levels to movies, and I think Tarantino, he's
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: the undeniable peak of the mountain. And then everything else
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: is pretty dope. Scorsese's got some murder. He's got some killers.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: But a bunch of those guys have a few lemons.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: You're going to have some lemons.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, Scorsese's output is incredibly high, and it's like,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: of course, you're going to have a few duds.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Well, this is one of the reasons why Tarantino's the
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: GOAT is because he figured out how to have no
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: lemons other than death proof, which Tony loves. We argue
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: about it all the time. So I don't see plastic
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: surgery in Nicole Kidman.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: They showed her for a second.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she looked good.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think she's in the trailer a lot.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Let me see Nicole Kidman. And that was a long movie.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: That was a long time ago, this movie, right? What
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: year was this? It's probably pre-COVID, I think. I think so.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's like 2017 or 18. Does it say, Jamie?
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: I'm amazed with Robert Eggers that he gets wide release
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: theatrical releases with the types of movies he does.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I think it's because they sell. They fucking sell, dude.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're so good. They're so good. People love them,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: and they go to see them. I mean, it's really
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: that simple.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: It's wild.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: What year was it, Jimmy?
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Four years ago.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? That was only four years ago? Oh, shit.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: It was post-covid.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, crazy.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I thought it was crazy.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: See if you could find a photo of Nicole Kidman
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: from that.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm obviously not saying the movie's bad because Nicole
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Kidman had plastic surgery, but it does take me out
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: of it when I see somebody doing a period piece.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: See, that doesn't look like plastic surgery to me. She
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: looks totally normal.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's just because I remember.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe you just want her to have plastic surgery because
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: you're a hater.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not shitting on Nicole Kidman.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: By the way. You seem to be a little bit
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: of a hater. She looks perfect.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: She's got a, yeah.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: What are you saying?
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: A little work.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: She looks perfect.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: A little work.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: A little work. I don't see work, dude. I see
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: a beautiful face. You son of a bitch. What the
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: fuck is wrong with you?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Don't you go.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: So down there when she's with Anya Taylor-Joy, right there,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: that's her right there. So that looks a little fillery, unfortunately.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: That look, I think, has gone away, though. I think
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: ladies are realizing that nobody likes it. The filler face.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Did you see the trailer for this thing, the Neuromancer?
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: No.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: What's this?
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Nerds are super pumped. This is like the story where.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: The Matrix and shit.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Came out of this. So it's going to be a
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: TV show, actually. It's not even a movie.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Wait. How do you mean The Matrix came out?
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Who wrote the book?
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: The ideas of jacking in and stuff like that.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Yes. Who wrote that book?
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Off the top of my head, from 1984, William.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: William Gibson. Yeah. This is supposed to be a movie
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: that people were concerned was impossible to– or a book, rather,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: that people were concerned was impossible– To translate into a
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: film correctly. Okay. I don't know why because I haven't
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: read the book, but I read that argument like there's
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: no way you're ever going to really nail this.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: He just jacked in and now he's like in some
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: new space, which I don't, again, I haven't read it either.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I don't, it's no spoiler alert or anything. I don't
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: know much about it, but people are very pumped that
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: they attempted this and it looks cool.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: But wait a second. So did the Matrix just take
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: all of its ideas from this?
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: No, here, I'll find out what, I mean, when I
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: said that.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Lucky. Waps is so lucky. It's on Apple TV. It
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: only has seven episodes, and it's only going to be
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: one season, I think.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: I just started watching The Shards, which I'm feeling.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: The term cyberspace came out of that book, and then, like,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: there you go, a consensual hallucination.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of authorized operators.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: The Matrix, actually, itself, I think, came out of there.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Ooh. Well, that's coming, right? That's coming. He was ahead
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: of his time. He figured it out.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: So now this is a weird thing, okay? And this
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: is a thing you notice with these directors that break
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: through and do an amazing first movie, and then it's
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: kind of followed by a lot of ho-hum stuff.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: You mean The Matrix?
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Well, the Wachowskis, The Matrix was this cultural phenomenon. It
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: changed everything and blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Their movies after that, except for maybe V for Vendetta,
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: none of them really ever lived up to that. So
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: now we're seeing this, and I'm like, Well, did they.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Just get all the great ideas for The Matrix from
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: this other thing and then they made a great movie
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: and then that's why they were never able to kind
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: of hit that again? Every Matrix sequel is terrible.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: They're literally jacking in the same exact way through the
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: back of the head. Yeah. It's the same thing.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: And they're saying the term The Matrix came out of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the– That's crazy. I thought they made that up.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: You know, they got sued too because some lady wrote–
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: I think it was a graphic novel. It might have
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: been a short story or a graphic novel. I forget
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: what it was. But she wrote a story and brought
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: it to them, apparently.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Well, she also said she wrote The Terminator for both.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: So is she just a kook?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: That's a kook.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: She had a manuscript titled The Third Eye from 1980s.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: And she... Yeah, I saw the story. I remember when.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you why she's a kook. You know
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the story?
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Well, because he mentioned The Terminator. Harlan Ellison... wrote an
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: episode of The Outer Limits. It was called Demon with
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: the Glass Hand. Harlan Ellison sued James Cameron when The
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: Terminator came out. And he goes, that's my fucking story.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: I did it on The Outer Limits in the 60s.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: And Harlan Ellison got paid. And they were like, yeah,
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: it's actually kind of the same thing. So this lady
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: did not write The Terminator in the 80s.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Well, it could be multiple influences. It could be. Multiple influences. inspirations, right?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: It could be.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: The worst one is, and I'm a fan.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Of the guy. We're not accusing anyone of plagiarizing, but
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: we're saying if someone was going to plagiarize, why wouldn't
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: they plagiarize from multiple sources? You can't just say, just
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: because he stole a giant chunk of it from that
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: one episode of a show, that doesn't mean that he
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: didn't steal a bunch of other stuff. And I'm not
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: saying anybody stole anything. I don't think James Cameron stole
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: a goddamn thing.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think he stole anything.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: I think he saw it. He might not have even
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: seen it. There's a lot of parallel thinking when it
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: comes to this concept of AI and robots being like people.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: It's in Battlestar Galactica.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Sure, sure.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, it's like there's a lot of
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: that where people become robots. It's in the original Alien movie, 1979, remember?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: There's a fucking artificial intelligence that is their guy that
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: they don't know is a robot until it has, I
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: think they beat it to death. How'd they find out
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: that it's a robot?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I think they kill it.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: They knock its head off, and that's how they find
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: out it's a robot.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Blanking on the actor. Oh, God.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: The guy's a great actor.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: He's one of my favorites, and I'm blanking on his name.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: So this is 79 that they did that, right? So
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: that's the Terminator. These concepts have been around for a
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: long time, the concepts of artificial intelligence taking over.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: I think it was more the plot line of this robot.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: this robot comes back.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, in time?
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: It was something like that. Oh.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: And I don't think James Cameron stole it, because there's
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: no other evidence of him ever swiping something.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: But I do think we all do this thing where
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: we see something.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: We don't remember, it goes into the subconscious, and maybe
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: you go, I got a great idea, and you're not realizing, oh, actually,
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: that's a thing I saw when I was 10.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: He's pretty intensely creative, like an original. I don't imagine
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: that he would do that.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I would, I would hope not. I don't think so.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: think so but Harlan Ellison did win the the.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Case interesting um I wonder how much he got pay
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: how much did Harlan Ellison get for that the lawsuit
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: did they disclose it or did they pay him just
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: to shut the fuck up.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Well Ellison is I mean he is Everybody that loves sci-fi,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: he's their favorite sci-fi guy.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: He is the guy. That's a bold statement.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: He's the guy. Ellison is the guy. You should read
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: up on Harlan Ellison. You would love.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I probably should. There's not enough time to consume all
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: the things.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: There's so many things to consume. Dispute ended out of
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: court settlement. There you go. Rather than a court ruling.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: So they just paid him to shut the fuck up.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: So they probably gave him a fat check. Yeah, there
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Soldier and Demon with the Glass Hand.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Involved combatants from a future war arriving in the present,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: including a relentless futuristic soldier sent to kill. Ellison argued
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: that the Terminator borrowed this core setup. Commentators often mention
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: his Outer Limits episode, Demon with the Glass Hand, but
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Ellison himself reportedly said his principal claim concerned Soldier, not
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: that episode. So it seemed like it wasn't, maybe it
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: was more than one thing. Hmm. Either way. You could,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: you know, it's like every werewolf movie is a guy
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: gets bit by a werewolf. Sure. You know what I mean?
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: You could say no one can make a werewolf movie
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: anymore because of the wolf man. Because you're all stealing
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: from the wolf man.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the difference is that's werewolf mythology.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Right. Overall. That's true.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Versus, you know what I mean?
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, of course. I mean, that's, yeah, bad example.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: It's not an original story.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: But you would love Harlan Ellison because he was just-
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: I'm sure. My favorite story of his is he talked
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: about when he was in college and he goes, my
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: literary professor said I had no talent, so I got
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: expelled because I punched him in the throat.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: He's a maniac. Maniac.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: God, how many bad teachers have ruined a kid's future
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: by telling them they have no talent?
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right?
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: How many?
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: It's nuts.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: So many. There's so many stories like that. So many
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: stories of some shitty teacher.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: It's nuts.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: Did you have, when you were getting into, well, how
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: old were you when you said, I'm going to go
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: do comedy. I'm not going to do any of the
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: shit that I studied in school.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I'm going to actually.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I barely studied in school. I only went to
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: school because I didn't want to be a loser. Literally.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: I went to UMass Boston, like the continuing education program.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: So I didn't have to take my SATs. I only
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: went for three years. I was wasting my time. And
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: the whole time I was doing it, I was fighting.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: And that was my primary concern. That was what I
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: was thinking about. And I was teaching at Boston University.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, you mean like MMA fighting? Kickboxing. Okay, gotcha.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Kickboxing and taekwondo.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: And that was my concern. I really was. But you
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: tell people, you know, oh, what do you do? Oh,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: I'm a taekwondo fighter. You fucking loser. You fucking loser.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I totally, I would not tell people what I did.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I'm going to school. I'm going to UMass Boston. That
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: was literally, that's what I was doing.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. That's so fucking funny, dude.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I was a four-time state Taekwondo champion. I fought all
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: over the country.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I knew you had fighting in your background. I didn't
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: know you were a champ and stuff.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really good when I was young at Taekwondo.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: I was really good.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: What made you switch gears from that to go into comedy?
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, there was no future in it.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: There was no future. I tried out for the Olympics
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: in 88. I made it to the nationals. I won
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: the states and I made it to the nationals. I
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: made it to the third fight. in the Nationals, and
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I lost. That was in Miami in 88. And then
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I realized, like, I wasn't as enthusiastic about it anymore. Oh, yeah,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: you got extra cigarettes?
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Look at that here.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I knew you might want some. Leave them there
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: for everybody.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: And then I was also getting brain damage, and I
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: was very aware of that. I would lie in bed
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: at night after sparring, and my head would be ringing,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: just throbbing, just throbbing.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm doing this for free. There's
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: no money in this. I'm not making any money.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Holy shit. Yeah.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I was sparring a lot, especially kickboxing sparring. I was
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: getting hit a lot. It was a lot of like
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: kickboxing wars and it was just not worth it. It
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: was just not. And I was realizing like I got
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: to get out before I become that guy at the
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: gym because there were some guys that I had met
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: and then I'd watch them deteriorate a little. during the
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: time that i knew them and i was training with
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: them i watched their personalities change i watched them get
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: like slower like i could see their movement was compromised
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: because they got brain damage they've been knocked out a
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: few times and i was realizing like oh this is
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: a real problem and no one seems to be thinking
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: about it everyone's like pretending it doesn't exist because they
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: just want to be a tough guy and they just
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: want to fight and win and It becomes the thing
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: you do. And the thing you do is the only
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: thing you know. And if that thing is bowling, then
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: you bowl every night. You know, if that thing is golf,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: then you golf every day. If that thing is fighting,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: you're fighting all the time. And it was by the
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: time I was and I was also realizing there's no
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: future in this. I'm not going to ever have any money.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I'm always going to be poor. I'm always going to
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: be like wondering where my next paycheck is coming from.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: This is there's no money in this. And there was
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: no UFC back then. And I got talked into doing
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: stand up by my friends. That's literally how it started.
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  Speaker 1: And that was it. I mean, you moved fairly fast, right,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: through stand-up?
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Well, see, I did half-hour comedy hour, MTV half-hour comedy hour.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, ugh.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Five years in, five years in the standup. And then
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I got on the television show, Hardball, the show I
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: did with Jim Brewer.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Did that, flew out here or flew out to California rather.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: And that got canceled after six episodes. And then I
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: got news radio right away. So I only auditioned for
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: two shows ever. Wow. Hardball and news radio. And I
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: got both of them. It was the luckiest streak of
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: all time. No acting class. I took a couple of
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: acting classes that I had to take. When Disney gave
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: me the money, the first development deal, they said, do
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: you know how to act? I'm like, I don't know.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Why are you guys giving me money? It made no sense.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: They just wanted to put me on a sitcom. And
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: this was in the 90s when sitcoms were like Roseanne
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: and Seinfeld. It was a goldmine. If you could find
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: a personality that you thought was someone who would click
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: on a sitcom that people would want to watch every
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Tuesday night or whatever it was, they were willing to
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: pay you a lot of money. And then all of
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: a sudden... I was out in L.A., but it was
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: never a desire of mine. So because it wasn't a
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: desire of mine, I didn't get nervous. Like, I didn't
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: get nervous doing auditions. It was not a thing where
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this could change my life. This could be it.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: It was like, what am I doing here? What is this?
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: What am I doing here?
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: You're good at it. That's what you were fucking doing there, man.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: It's not hard, dude. Again, it's not real acting. It's
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: not Marlon Brando. It's fantasy. You're just pretending that this
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: thing is happening in the newsroom. It's not hard. It's
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: fucking easy. I mean, in the meantime, I'm doing jujitsu.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: I was still sparring back then, so I'd go to
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: the jet center and kickbox and spar. And so I'd
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: go to work. I'm like, this is so easy. This
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: is so easy compared to stand-up and kickboxing and everything else.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Did you notice when you said you were noticing– damage
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: happening because of your head throbbing and ringing or whatever.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Did you notice any other effects or did you cut
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: it off before any effects could actually, you know, like
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: actual things that were affecting you?
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't notice anything like I was compromised or
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: I couldn't think well or I was forgetting things. It
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: wasn't like that. I think I cut it off before
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: I got that bad, but I definitely got some brain damage, 100%.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: And I think it plays a part of my impulsiveness
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: and my I, you know, I like scary things. I
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: like things that make me nervous. I like things that
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: are really hard to do. And I think that might
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: be part of that.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: That I got rattled a bunch of times in my
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: formative years.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Because from 15 to 21, who knows how many times
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: I got hit in the head.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: A lot.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: We're very different in that way. You're a guy that
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: I think very much likes conquering the challenge.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Well, it keeps me sane. That's what keeps me sane.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: I think you make the voluntary things that you engage
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: in that are way more difficult than the rest of
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: your life. It makes the rest of your life easier
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: because these hard things that you do voluntarily, voluntary adversity,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: you force yourself to do hard things all the time.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: So then when other things that are seemingly hard come up,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: you're like, this ain't shit compared to a cold plunge.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: This ain't shit. I just did a workout, a hypoxia workout.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: And so it's at– I have a box in my
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: studio that goes to– it takes all the air out.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: So it puts you at the equivalent of 15,000 feet
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: above sea level. And you do this interval training. So
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: you do sprints on the Airdyne machine. You get off
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: of that and you do these kettlebell cleans and presses
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: or swings. And you get off of that and then
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: you do the sled. And you push the sled or
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: you do backwards on the sled. And it's got varying resistance.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: And you do them in these 50-second, 40-second, and then
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: 30-second sprints. So, like, everything else is easy.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: God damn, dude. I'm just, I can't. I admire it.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: I admire the shit out of it.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just, for me, I think everybody should do
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: something hard. It keeps me sane. For me, I need it.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I'm not other people. I
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: don't pretend to know how they feel. But I know
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: how I feel if I don't exercise regularly. I have
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: more anxiety. I don't feel comfortable. I don't feel good.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: I'm more irritable. I don't like it. I don't like
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: that feeling. When I am, like, when I work out
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: really hard and I do the things that I'm supposed
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: to do, I feel great. I feel friendly. I feel happy.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: I feel light. I feel like life is easy.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, it's a thing. I'm not, I'm not blowing smoke.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: It's a thing I've noticed about you.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: You're, you're a very, I would even say happy go
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: lucky kind of guy. Like you're, you're very friendly. You're
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: always in a very good mood. I've very rarely seen you.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: And I see you frequently now at the club, very
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: rarely seen you come in where you're like.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Ah, fuck. Like, I don't think ever, to be honest
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: with you. And, It's, I guess, everything you're saying.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Like, it puts you in. It's a choice. It's a
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: choice to feel like that. That don't do you any good.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Unless you're trying to do something with that, fuck this.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Unless you've got some shit you have to get done
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: that's hard and you want to have this attitude where
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: you're going to attack it. Like, fuck this. Like, regular life? Like,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: why upset? Why? Why? You're not in Gaza.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: You're not in Ukraine hiding in a fucking bunker. Like,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Yeah. What are you bitching about? Yeah.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: You're living an easy life in America and you're rich.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Like, how dare I be upset?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Sure. How dare I?
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Sure. Imagine.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: With the fortune, the luck that I've had in this life,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: me being pissed off at things. That's why it doesn't
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: bother me when people talk shit about me either. I'm like, okay. Like, talk...
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: That shit. Have fun.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: You could teach.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: Remember when YouTube was doing those master classes where like
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: a guy would sit down and like Steve Martin would
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: be like, I'm going to teach you how to do
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: right comedy or whatever.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: And David Mamet did one on writing or whatever.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: You could do a master class on YouTube in how
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: to let the shit roll off your back. Because I
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: am astounded at how much it does not bother you
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: when people say, are releasing.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Clips and talking this and it's all bullshit, whatever. And
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: you're just like, yeah, whatever, man.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Have fun. Knock yourself out. It doesn't– you can't stop
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: people from having an opinion. There's always going to be
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: people that have an opinion. And then in this market
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: of hot takes, there's always going to be people and
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: their opinion is– negative opinions are more valuable in terms
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: of the commodity of attention. Attacking someone, being– calling someone out.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: It's more valuable than this commodity. Yes. And then there's
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: people that have legitimate, differing opinions of me. And they
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: don't like this and they don't like that. They don't
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: like I said this or they don't like this person
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: that I had on. What am I supposed to do?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Address all of it? Even think about it? I police
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: myself as much as I can. Believe me. If I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: fuck something up, I'm mad at me more than anybody's
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: mad at me.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: So that way– I get it out on my own.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: I don't need a lot of external validation. I don't
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: need any. I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: doing the best I can, and I hope people like it,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: and that's it.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: The little shit gets me, man.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: I know it does. You need an outlet, Joe DeRosa.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: You need a physical outlet to calm your mind. Yes.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: That's what you need. You need to get a trainer.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Just hire a trainer. We talked about this.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: We have been talking about it.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Get a trainer.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Because you're not going to do it on your own.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Get someone who you show up three times a week
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: and they put you through the paces. And a smart
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: trainer will do it nice and slow. So the first
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: few workouts, it won't even be that hard. You'll leave there.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: You'll feel, like, energized. You won't feel exhausted. You'll feel like, oh,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: all right, I did a little something. I feel good.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: And then he's like, okay, we're, this is a process.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: You know, we're going to, we're going to keep ramping
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: this up slowly, but surely, but you're never going to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: be like, oh my God, I can't fucking move. I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: went to my fucking trainer. He's killing me. My back
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: is killing. I can't get off the couch. No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: A good trainer is going to look at you, ask
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: you how, what have you been doing? When was the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: last time you worked out? How often you do? Okay,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: let's start here. And they'll start you off with some
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: simple body weight stuff. They'll put you through some different
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: mobility exercises, different stuff to just get the joints lubed up,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: get everything moving, and then build your body up nice
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: and slow, nice and slow.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my boy Chuck, you know Chuck, Mexican OT's dad, Chuck.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: Chuck, right when you and I talked about when you
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: were like, you should get a trainer, Chuck said to me, unprompted,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: he goes, Joe, let me.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Train with you.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Dude, take him up on it.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he goes, I'll come to your apartment. Let's
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: just go. I'll come to your apartment.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Dude, that guy's jacked. Yeah. Take him up on it.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: He knows what he's doing.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: And he said everything you just said. He goes, we're
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: going to go slow. It's not going to be this
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: overwhelming thing. Because I get overwhelmed.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Easily, obviously. And I was like, Chuck- It's going to
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: be too much. And I'm going to start. And he goes,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: we're not going to do that. We're going to take
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: it really slow.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: Let me just come to your place, whatever. And so
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: I think I'm going to start doing it with him
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: because I just need to.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: If you go to the wrong trainer, there's some trainers
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: out there that are meatheads or they don't really know
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: what they're doing and they'll beat you down. And they're like,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: we're going to fucking push it today. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: You can't push it when someone doesn't work out. When
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: someone doesn't work out, you go nice and slow. Nice
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: and easy. And then you slowly build up to the
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: point where you can push it, right? You don't take
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: a fucking Prius and you drive it around the racetrack sideways.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: It's not designed for that.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: The suspension's going to fall off. The wheels are going
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: to— there' s no traction. You've got no tires. Right. You're going
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: to have to build up everything.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: And then once it gets built up, then you can
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: push it. So once you get in— look at Jelly Roll.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Jelly Roll lost literally almost 300 pounds. Mm-hmm. which is crazy.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Now he's running on the treadmill. He did six miles
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: when we came in to do a podcast. We're all
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: working out together. And he's fucking running on the treadmill
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: while we're talking. We're talking. He can breathe. He can talk.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: He's running a good clip. Got in the sauna with me.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Did the whole thing. When I first met him, he
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: was 500 pounds. He could barely make it up the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: stairs to the comedy club. He couldn't walk up the stairs.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Now he's fit. Now he's healthy. He runs all the time.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: So it's just a process of building to get to
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: that place. He did that show, McConaughey has this benefit
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: every year. And we went to the benefit. And he
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: performed at the benefit. And he's on stage and we
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: were backstage watching it. And so we're like me and
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Tony and his girl and my wife were in the
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: corner watching this. Jelly gets off stage and there's a railing,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: like a ramp to get off. He grabs the railing
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: and hops over it and lands on the other side.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: I go, dude. do you know what you just did?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: I go, you used to be 500 pounds and now
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: you just jumped over that railing like a cat.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: That's wild.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: It was amazing.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: That's wild.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: He was so happy. He's like, isn't this crazy? I'm like,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: it's crazy. Look what you've done.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: That's wild.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: And that's what you have to do. And it took
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: him years and that's how you have to do it.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: It has to be slowly but sure. But along the way,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: you'll feel better every step of the way. It's not
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: about breaking your body down. It's about slowly introducing movement
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: and some physical exercise, and then building upon that. 10
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: push-ups in a day. Then the next day, you try 12.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: And then a week later, you're doing 15. And then
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: two weeks after that, maybe you can do 20 in
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: a row or three weeks, a month, two months, whatever
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: it is. Everybody's got their own timing. Body weight squats,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: very simple. Start with 10. No big deal. Get to
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: 90 degrees, pack up. Just enough, just to get the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: blood moving. Walking is fucking great. You know what's really great?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Walking with a weighted vest. Not that hard to do.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Put a 20-pound vest on, 25-pound vest on, walk around
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: the block. It's fucking great for you. There's a lot
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: of different things that you could do that don't crush you.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: And then you're just going to feel a little better.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: You'll have a little bit more vitality, more blood flow.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: And then you build upon that. That's the key.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: I was building slow. I was doing three days a week,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: and it was getting better and better and better. And
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: then end of the summer hit, August hit. I started
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: going on the road again, and all of a sudden
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: it starts to taper off because you're like, now I
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: got to fly. on this day when I'm usually doing
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: my thing. And I got lazy and I got to
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: get back into it.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: I got to get back into it.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: But the good thing is this, with what you're saying
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: with the slow build, when I start again, I'm able
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: to start where I stopped.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: I'm able to start there again. You know what I mean?
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Right. Rather than where you began.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Listen, man, it's all about momentum. Discipline is very important,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: but really momentum makes discipline a lot easier. You know,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: it's like you say, oh, you've got really good discipline.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: Sort of. I get started. Once you get started, it's
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: more about momentum than it is about discipline.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: And then it's also about writing things down. If you
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: just write it down, you have to do it.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: You write it down and make a check. That way,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: instead of like keeping this thing in my head, oh,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to figure out my own workout. I'll
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: do this. I'll do that. No, I have a whiteboard.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: I write down on the whiteboard. This is what we're doing.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: And then you just do it.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: I had a list in my phone. These are your exercise,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: 20 reps of each of these. And I just kept
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: adding exercises.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know a good app, but I'm sure there's
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: some out there that are like a really good workout
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: app that will vary your workout every day based upon
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: your level, based upon like how much experience you have.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: The apps get confusing. I tried a couple of them.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: There's got to be a good one out there. I
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: just don't know what they are.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of questions that I'm like, I don't
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: fucking know, man.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Well, that's because they're trying to make it good. They're
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: trying to make an app that gives you what you need.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: But yeah, exerciseapps.com.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: Again, there's good ones, I'm sure, but exercise apps kind
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: of became like dating apps where there's a million that
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: are all saying, we're going to change your life in
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: three days, and you're like, no.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: You're not. I think most important is a real good
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: trainer is more important because he can correct your form
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: in real time, tell you why, don't do it like that,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: you're going to hurt your back, don't do it like this,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: you're putting too much pressure on this and that, and
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: you're not balanced, whatever it is. He can get you
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: to do it correctly, which is more important than anything. Yeah.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Especially once you start actually lifting weights, you know. Pavel Tatsulin,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: who's the– he's the guy who really brought kettlebells to
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: popularity in America. It's a Russian cat. And great system
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: of training. But one of the things that he said
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: that really stuck with me, he said, strength is a skill.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: And you should think of strength as a skill. So, like,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: when you're working on your skills, like kettlebell cleans and presses,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be exhausted. You should do– he does– instead
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: of doing it to failure, you know, like a lot
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: of people like to work to failure. Imagine– You can
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: clean and press 50 pounds 10 times until you're like
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: really exhausted. And on the 10th time, you're really kind
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: of cooked. Don't do 10. You do five.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Just do five. And then wait a long time. Wait
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: like five minutes. Rest up completely and then do another five.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Do it that way.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Because that way you're always fresh and you're working on skill.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: You're still getting the same amount of repetitions, but you're
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: not torturing your tissue. You're not taxing your system. You're
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: learning it. And you're not taking any shortcuts anymore. You're
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: not moving weird. You're not leaning into something in a
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: weird way. You're going to hurt yourself because you're all
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: out of line. You're doing everything with correct form because
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: you're not exhausted. Yeah. But you're still getting the same
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: amount of work in.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: The rest time is interesting because I always thought, well,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: like I was doing two different types of push-ups. I
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: was doing the fucking 45 finger spread push-up. Down, hold, up, whatever.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: And I could get through 20 of those.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Initially, I couldn't.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: And then when I was able to get through 20,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: I was like, holy shit. And then I was doing
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: a different push-up with the arms back like this. And those,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: when I got to that, I'd hit 10, and I'd
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: be like, fuck. And then I'd sit for a minute,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: and then a minute would go by, and I'd be like,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: you got to do the other 10. Because if you
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: wait too long, I always thought waiting too long was
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: a bad thing.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: But you're saying, no, actually rest five minutes. Take a breath.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. As long as you
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: have the time to do the same amount of reps.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: You just want to get enough work in so that
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: your body forces adaptation. It doesn't have to be all
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: to failure. Now, again, it depends on what we're trying
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: to do, right? If you're trying to build up muscular endurance, then, yeah,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: you go to failure. It depends on what you're trying
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: to do. If you're just trying to get stronger, that's
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: a different thing. Mm-hmm. And then, you know, obviously I
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: do different kinds of workouts like the workout I did today.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: It's all exhaustion stuff. It's all sprinting. It's not like
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: the kettlebell stuff. This is all high altitude and it's
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: all like maximum intensity on the airdyne bike, maximum intensity
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: on the sled, maximum intensity on the kettlebell cleans. You're
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: beating yourself up because you're only doing it for 50
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: seconds or 60 seconds, 40 seconds, and then 30 seconds.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: So it's like I do a bunch of different kinds
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: of exercises, but when I do like strength stuff, I
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: don't ever do it to failure.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: Can you do, is there a thing, like some people
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: go the 100 pushups a day, whatever, that's their thing.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: I always wondered, well, is it the same if you
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: do 100 pushups just.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Throughout the day? 100%. 100%. Doesn't matter if you start
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: at nine and finish at three.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: Farmers don't lift hay to failure, right? They pick up
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: a bale of hay. They chuck it under the pile.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: They go back to get another one. They pick up
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: a bale of hay. They chuck it on the pile.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: They go back to get another one. They push a wheelbarrow.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: They fucking hammer a post down. They do a bunch
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: of different things. They do it all throughout the day.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: But they're never doing anything where they're just, very rarely
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: at least, where they're lying flat on their back, breathing.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: They think they're going to have a fucking heart attack.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: They never have that. They never get to the point
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: where they're dropping the bale of hay because their arms
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: are shaking. And they're like, one more rep. But yet
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: they get ridiculously fucking strong, right?
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Because of all the work. It doesn't have to be
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: work to failure. In our mind, we think, oh, you
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: have to go to failure in order to get stronger. Again,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: we're talking about very specific things. Getting stronger, using kettlebells especially,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: but you could do dumbbells and other things as well.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: If you're now, if you're doing something else... Like if
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: you're trying to get maximum amount of bench press, if
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: you're trying to like win a competition or maximum amount
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: of chin-ups you can do, then it's a different thing.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: We're talking about a different thing. But if you're just
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: talking about overall building strength for your body, the most
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: important thing is volume, I think. And it's– if you
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: can– like I said, I think this principle that Pavel
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: Tatsalin has is a really good one. That instead of
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: doing 10, if you do 10 to failure, do 5.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Wait a while. Do five again. And I think it
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: lessens the opportunity to get injured. You're much less likely
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: to get injured doing it that way. I'm very rarely
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: injured from working out. Very rare. From just kettlebell stuff,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: like very rarely. Right. All right.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: You're inspiring me to hop back in and start doing
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: it again. I've really— You.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Just got to get somebody to help you. Get Mexican
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: OT's dad.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Get him to help you. Yeah. He knows what he's doing.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. No, that dude's fucking jacked.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a perfect guy. And what he said is
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: the right, like he knows what he's doing. That's why
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: he's the guy to get you doing it nice and
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: slow and just build you up. And also he's fun.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: He's cool to hang out with.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: You like that too. You don't want to be an
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: annoying trainer. It's always asking you to post about him
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: on Instagram.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Fuck off.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: You think you post?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: I got an energy drink I'm trying to promote.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You get those DMs from guys.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Exhausting. Yeah. All right.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: I'm back.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: You're back. I'm back in, baby.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Bro, I read the craziest thing today, and I need
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: to find out if it's true. I sent you the
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: thing where Nick Fuentes was talking about it, Jamie. So
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: apparently there was this plot where Iran was trying to
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: kill Trump. Remember when he was supposed to get in
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: the Air Force One that– Cotter gave him. Mm-hmm. And
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: then instead he flew in the old Air Force One.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: Well, they're saying that he actually didn't even go in
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: the old Air Force One, that they snuck him out
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: on a truck.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: Like some fucking cargo truck.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: And then put him in another kind of plane and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: flew him out of there. And then they put the
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: press in Air Force One because they were apparently worried
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: they were going to target Air Force One as well.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: So imagine- Trump put the press on Air Force One.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: And they were thinking about possibly targeting them.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: He hid in an airport catering container and was taken
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: to a military jet for a secret flight out of
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: the country after the NATO summit last month. And this
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: is being reported by the New York Times. The thing is, though,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: I think they put the press on Air Force One.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: So if they flew him out, it was because they
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: were worried they were going to try to take down
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: Air Force One. And they took the press.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: If you take the press off, then they know that.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: We're not playing games.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: Everything's normal.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And if the press dies, so sad. But you
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: just get more press.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: That's fucking wild.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: If that's true, that is so wild that he didn't
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: even tell them, hey, guys, we're not really going to
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: get on this plane. No one's getting on this plane.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: You guys get out of here. Go take American Airlines home. No.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: He's like, hop on.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: It's safe.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's Air Force One.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Guys, my gift to you. Take Air Force One. Enjoy it.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: There's food. There's sandwiches on there. Enjoy yourself.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Is that absolutely what happened?
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: It says reporters on the older plane were not told
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: that Mr. Trump had not flown with them from Turkey
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: to an air base in Britain, making them unwitting participants
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: in the ruse and leaving them along with some White
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: House staff members to serve as unknowing decoys.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: After they arrived in Britain, he was secretly moved back
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: to the older version of Air Force One.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Bro. Jesus Christ.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Those press people were signing up for something they didn't know.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: They didn't know what they were signing up for. And
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: they didn't tell them at all that when you want
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: to know who's more important, you are the president, that's
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: when you find out. They just throw you on Air
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Force One. Shrimp cocktail. Boom! All of a sudden you
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: turn into fucking protons.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: It's like fucking Goodfellas. When he's telling Karen to go,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: go down and get the dresses. There's dresses.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: No, I'm okay. Hair hen? Why? Holy shit.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: That is fucking wild.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: That is fucking wild. That's crazy. Yeah. Has there been backlash? Jamie,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: are they saying anything?
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Who's saying anything?
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: The press.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: I would imagine they're a little perturbed. That would perturb me.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. That's so crazy.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: Imagine if it blew up. It's like, I should have
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: been there. I wanted to be there with them when
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: they died.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: They're heroes.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: He would probably talk shit about them.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. That is fucking nuts.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe they had written nicer things about me. I would
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: have told them.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: I just watched Michael, the Michael Jackson movie.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: How was it? Look, it's the first part of his life.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: Up till bad they don't get into any of the
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: crazy shit they're saying they're making a sequel that they
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: might get into the some of the crazy shit but
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: it was it was fun I'm a big Michael Jackson
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: fan it was fun to watch but I started reading
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: up on Michael Jackson afterwards because I was like it
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: just was very nostalgic to watch do you know this
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: when he died he was pronounced dead at Neverland Ranch
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: and they lied to the press and said that he
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: was at a hospital already and pronounced dead because they
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: had to get the body out of Neverland Ranch And
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: they knew if they pronounced him dead at Neverland Ranch,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: they wouldn't be able to get the fucking body out
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: of the goddamn house.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: Because they said the press would leak it and the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: clamoring of fans and whatever else would literally have blocked
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: them from getting the fuck, from transporting the body. So
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: they had to lie and say, he's dead already, but
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: he's at this hospital. And it was a decoy because
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: that's how fucking famous he was. They were like, we
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: can't drive his dead body. From this location to another
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: where we're never going.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: To get it there. People would steal the body. I
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: want to get a finger.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: I want to get a finger. Yeah. People would have
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: garden clippers.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Something.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Try to steal.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: And here's another crazy thing.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: Because I know you've talked about the Michael Jackson, like
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: the conspiracies around his death on the show before.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: There's another crazy thing I didn't know. He owned, you know,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: he had that vast music catalog that he bought. Right.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Of music publishing.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: Right. He owned the Beatles.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Beatles. Eminem. He bought Eminem.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: He bought Eminem?
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: Eminem made fun of him in a video, and he
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: bought Eminem's fucking catalog as a fuck you.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, I heard about that. The most pimp move ever.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: I'm going to buy all your fucking music.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: That's so gangster.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right? So he owns his catalog, right? I
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: think he might have owned Dylan. It was crazy. The
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: rights to the music that he owned was nuts, right?
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: He's with Sony.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: Sony wants the publishing back on all these artists, and
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: he owns it. And when he did his last album,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: he had to take out a loan against the record
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: company of $ 200 million to do the album because he
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: didn't have a lot of money left. And they said,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: you've got to put up collateral. And he goes, all right,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: I'll put up a portion of the catalog as collateral.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: And then before he died, he goes, they're not promoting
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: my albums. And because they're not promoting my album, it's
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: not selling. And then everybody close to him said it
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: was a ruse. They didn't promote the album on purpose
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: so that he would lose the fucking catalog because he
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to pay the loan back.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: And then right after that, he died. Really fucked up.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: That's the business he was in.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: You buy people shit, they fuck you over. That's how
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: it works.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: Come on, man. Well, it's dark, though.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: You're playing war.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: It's... You play in war. If they blow up Air
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: Force One, you got to go, hey, maybe we shouldn't
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: have fucking killed the leader during Ramadan. This is how
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: it works. This is the game we're in.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: This is the business we chose.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: He's in the business of fucking over his enemies. They
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: decided he was their enemy. They fucked him over.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: The doctor that administered the drug that killed him is
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: out of jail already. Two years. And they're like, no,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: this guy was just a fall guy.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing about the doctor is he was asking
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: the doctor to do that. The doctor shouldn't have done that.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: It's not like the doctor killed him on purpose. He
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: wanted to get anesthetized. I think he was so crazy
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: that he couldn't sleep. He was so out of his
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: fucking mind. And he was probably on a bunch of stuff.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: He probably wasn't just on propofol. If you're willing to
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: take propofol to go to sleep, what else are you taking?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: You're taking some other things. The doctor, the one thing
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: that he said that I found very fascinating... was that
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: he said that Michael had been chemically castrated when he
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: was young to maintain his voice.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: I've heard that.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it makes sense. It completely makes sense. If
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: you look at his body, it makes sense. His body
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: looks like it's devoid of testosterone.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: It has no testosterone. He's very thin. If you look
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: at his brothers, they're all thick. They're all like big dudes. Jermaine,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: they're all like men. They look like men, like thick men.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: He looks thin and he looks very different than them.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: That's not normal. That's not normal. That's not even normal
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: if you don't work out. And he was a dancer.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: So he was incredibly athletic, right? So in all the
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: working out that he did, he should have been supple.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was obviously, he could move so good.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, his movement was incredible. Did you ever see
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: that Bob Fosse movie that apparently he got all those
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: moves from?
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: The one, well, okay, so which, the miniseries that Sam
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: Rockwell was in or All That Jazz?
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: No, there was a movie, no, before that, a long, earlier.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: And it's Bob Fosse doing all the dance moves that
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Michael Jackson did.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: I know what movie you're talking about. It's him and
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: like a little kid.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: He's in the desert and doing.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's literally all of Michael Jackson's signature dance
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: moves come from this one movie. Watch this. Watch how
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: he moves.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: So there's this. He's doing this. But then he also moonwalks. Like,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: look at this. Like, all this, this is Michael Jackson.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, 100%. Yo, wow. Look at this. The kick
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: and the point with the toes and putting it down.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: The movement.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's literally every movie does. Look at that.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: That point with the kick and the toes.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: Even the outfit.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: It's a 1974 movie, The Little Prince.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: Little Prince, rather.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Even the outfit with the fedora.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: Bro. I mean, literally, he mirrored his movements.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: It is incredible that Bob Fosse had the stamina and
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: ability to keep dancing like that for his entire life
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: until he dropped dead. Because if you watch the Sam
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: Rockwell miniseries, Fosse and Virden, which is an amazing miniseries,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: that guy, bro, he was, I mean, it was intake.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: That's all it was. He'd wake up. He's popping fucking pills.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Speed, boom, boom, boom. Coke, booze, cigarettes all day long.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Chain smoking, chain smoking, chain smoking.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: Drunk through the whole fucking day.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Popping pills, doing coke. And the fact that he could
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: still stand and not just stand, choreograph Broadway shows for
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: hours and be that agile and whatever is, that's insane
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: It's because he loved it.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: It's insane.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. Find the thing you love. Find that
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: thing and you will have the energy to pursue it.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: It's really it.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: But aren't you a little amazed that his intake of
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: substance would not hinder it in any way?
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy, you know? But, I mean, we've
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: seen that before.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: There's, yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: I hear you. There's people that have unreal tolerances, like
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: Shane with booze. It's unreal. Yeah. When you see him
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: pound 16 Bud Lights and not a slur, not a stammer, nothing,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: doesn't miss a beat, puts the sunglasses on, starts getting crazy.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: We do protect our parks, and he'll have a stack
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: of empties at the end. You're like, that is insane.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: You should be dead. You should literally be dead.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: My favorite Shane story ever, ever. I don't mean to
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: tell his story, but this is my favorite Shane story ever.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: And the other day I go, dude, you have to
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: do that on tires. It's so funny.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: He said he ate chicken fingers. And he felt sick.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: And he goes to the doctor because he's like, I
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: think I have food poisoning or something. It's like something's wrong, right?
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: So he goes, the doctor goes, you know, he's asking
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: all the questions.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: How much do you do this?
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: And he goes, how many drinks do you have in
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: a week? And Shane said he took a beat. And
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: he's like, I'm going to be honest for once.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: And he goes... 80. 80 is.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: So crazy. Oh, that's so crazy.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: He said the doctor starts laughing. He goes, no, come on, man.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: Seriously.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: And he goes, 80. And the doctor goes. It's not
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: the chicken fingers, man. You drink 80 drinks a week, right?
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: And I go, what happened? He goes, I went home.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: I threw up. I was fine the next day. It
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: was the chicken fingers.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 6: Dude, we were at Chappelle's summer camp thing, the ranch thing.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: And we're hanging out. And I'm about to go on.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Shane goes, come on, man. Have a drink. Have a drink.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: I go, dude, I already had two, man. I got
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: to go on, dude. I got to be careful. He goes,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: have another drink, dude. You'll be fine. I go, Shane,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be tipsy. He goes, what number
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: drink is that for you? I go, three. He goes,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: I've had 17 Bud Lights. Have another fucking drink.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be alone in drunk land. He
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: wants you to be there with him in happy drunk land.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: He's a happy drunk, though.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: The best.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: I love him. He's so fun. He's such a fun dude.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: He's such, such a unique person. He's very different than
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: anybody I've ever met. He's like, you would think by, by,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: you know, you hear him talk, you think like he's
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: similar to someone, you know, but he's not different dude.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Fucking smart as shit too. Knows a fuck load about history.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Loves history.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Loves it, man.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: Loves history. And, and yeah, he's a very unique specimen.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: He's a, and, and as you said, a very fun drug,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: I was just down at the beach with him and, uh,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: He was on the beach all day, and I was
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: at the house. I called it early, and I was
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: just kind of chilling out inside with McCusker.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: And Tommy watching a movie. We were just chilling. And
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: Shane came back from the beach, and he was all
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: fucking tuned up from White Claws or wherever he was drinking.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: And I was laying on this love seat in the
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: room watching the movie, and he just kept coming up
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: to me, and he just kept tickling me.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: He's going, come on, dog. Come on, dog.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Come on, dog.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm like, you're awesome, you're fun. He's
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: so fun, man.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's life of the party. Him and Joey Diaz
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: in a room together with everybody else is like, oh,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: my God, you got two enormous personalities, lives at the
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: party in the room together.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: Diaz kills me.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: He's the best, man. He's out here all the time now.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's getting a place here at the
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: end of the month, and he's going to do a residency.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: So he's going to do like two weeks a month.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: He's going to be here.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's fucking incredible. It's incredible.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: He's the best, man. He's the fucking best. It's so
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: fun having him around. The last time he was here,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: I was doing my monthly, my and friend.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: Show at the Mothership. And he was, the first comic
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: was on or whatever. And he goes, he's like, Joe,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: could I go up on your show? And I go,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: of course.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: And he went up, and it was just seeing the
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: pop from the audience. I was like, man, this is
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: fucking great, dude. It's fucking fun having him around.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: We're very lucky. We're very lucky. We've got an amazing
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: group of people around us all the time. It's a
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: lot of fun.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: And he said the funniest fucking thing.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: We were talking about diet and exercise and lifestyle change.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: And COVID, I was doing too much of this or
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: that or whatever. And I go, when was your big change, man?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: He goes, Joe, you know what fucking day it was?
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: It was the day of the fucking resurrection. And we go, what?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: And he goes, fucking January 6th, the fucking resurrection. And
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: we go, do you mean the insurrection? He goes, whatever
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: the fuck it was called. I don't give a fuck. Oh, man.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: He used to call Khabib Nurmagomedov Kalabeeb. The fucking Kalabeeb guy.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a part of his charm, fucking up
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: people's names.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. He's so funny. The best dude, man. Yeah.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: He lives right near where my parents live in Jersey.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, dude, man, when I go
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: see my folks, I'm going to get in the car
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: and drive up and hang out with you for a
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: night because it'll be such a great break from just
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: being with my mom and dad. And he's the best, man.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: He's just got a truly big-hearted dude, man.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: I was really worried once he moved to New Jersey
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: we'd never get him out here because I went with him.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: We went out to eat in New Jersey, and he's
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: the king of New Jersey. I'm like, fuck. Everywhere we go, Joey!
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: People cheer, yell on his name. Went to the restaurant.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Everybody knows him. Immediately, everybody's running over to take care
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: of us. Joey's here. Joey's here. And I'm like, oh,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: he's the king of New Jersey. He's never going to leave.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: He's never going to leave. He loves it here. But
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: there wasn't enough comedy there for him. There wasn't enough comics.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that I always say is
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: that we don't exist in a vacuum. We always exist
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: with each other, comics in particular. You can't really do
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: comedy by yourself. You can, but you can't do it
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: to your best. You need other people doing it around you.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: You need to see it. You need to be around it.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: The hang, the talking about bits in the green room
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: is so huge. Like, Ahsan has given me two killer
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: taglines after, like, seeing a bit and saying, what about this?
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my God, that's perfect.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: Like, those things, like, we're always, like, tuning each other's
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: shit up or reminding each other of a bit. Like,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: I remember Tony's bits better than Tony does sometimes. Right. Like,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: I had to tell him how a bit goes. He's like, oh,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: my God, I forgot that. I'm like, dude, go do that.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: Go do that right now. And he went up and
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: did it right then and murdered.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: And they're like, you forgot. You forgot the bit.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: It's a very individualized sport in the sense of golf,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: where you're always playing against yourself. But it's a very
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: communal sport in the sense that you're not playing necessarily
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: in a literal sense with the team like a sketch
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: group would. But you're playing with the team.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: The team is in the green room. You're playing with
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: the team in the sense that your buddy is on
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: before you. Your buddy is on after you.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: You're all doing sets together.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: And the game is I got to play my best
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: game because I've got to follow the guy that just said.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: A good game.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: And I need the guy after me to have a
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: good game so I can't fuck up his game. And
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: it's a very interesting dynamic of team versus individual play.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: There's also just the atmosphere elevates you. And I noticed
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: that for sure about the Comedy Store and the Glory Days.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: And the Glory Days, like 2014 to 2019 when we left,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: there was so much activity there. There were so many
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: guys that were going up. There was so much good comedy.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: that you would just get elevated just being around it. Like,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: it raised your own personal bar, like what your high
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: watermark was. And it just, you know, you're around, like,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: guys with really tight acts. And it just really helps.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: It helps everybody. It's so important to be around other
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: great comics. And that's why these hubs, like New York
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: is so great for that, L.A., and now Austin. It's
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: like these hubs are so important because– You really, we
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: go on the road on the weekends, right? That was
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: the thing about the store. But on Tuesday and Wednesday
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: were some of the best nights. Because on Tuesday and Wednesday,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: it would be Jesselneck, Diaz, fucking Greg Fitzsimmons, Dom Irera,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: over and over. Murderer's Row. Burr would pop in. And
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: maybe Chris Rock was in town. It was like, God damn,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: these nights were insane. They were so good.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: The reason I moved to Austin and the thing that
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: continues to be the greatest challenge for me here in
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: a good way, in a constructive way. Because people say
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: all the time to me online and shit, they'll be like, oh,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: you moved to Austin for Kill Tony.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I didn't fucking move to Austin. I knew
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: Tony and I were friends and I had done the show.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't become kind of a part of that show
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: until after I lived here. Because Tony started to put
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: me on, and we started to have fun, and then
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: it grew from there. You and I were buddies, but
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: we're much tighter as pals now than we were.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: Well, we're around together all the time now.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: So I moved here primarily for... Well, number one, I
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: love Austin, and I used to live here, and I
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: always wanted to go back. And once you could do
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: comedy here, it was like a reason to go back, right?
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: And you could work. The other reason was I was...
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: I was like, I did New York. I did LA.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: I want a new challenge. And there's a new scene
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: now and all that stuff.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: But the thing that puts me on my toes the
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: most and still does is this is the best place
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: for young comics to be able to pursue comedy because
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: they can actually live here. They can afford it. New
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: York has become unaffordable. LA has become unaffordable. A young
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: comic can come here, can live like a human being
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: and pursue their dream. And those are the guys that
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: keep me on my toes. Because you're like, dude, it
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter if I'm the only guy on this lineup
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: that has done.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: TV or whatever. You got five people going up that
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: are fucking swinging for the fences. Because when you're young,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: you really are like, I got to fucking prove myself.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: So you're following, even if it's for unknown purposes, people,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: they're doing their A shit. They are trying to kill
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: as hard as humanly possible.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: And you're like, all right, I got to fucking bring it.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: It's that and it's also their enthusiasm for it. You know, and,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: and the thing about Austin is we have a real
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: system at the club that actually develops talent. Yes. Like
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: we have two nights of open mic nights and we
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: have a real talent coordinator. Adam really watches everyone. He
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: watches the open mic nights. He gives people advice. He
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: gets them spots. He helps them. He gets them on
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: showcase nights. He puts them on, he gives them sets,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: gives them feedback, and then they get to work all
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: around town. There's, five other fucking clubs on the same street, man.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, dude. You can walk from your place to Sunset,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: to the Creek, to Vulcan, Black Rabbit, to Vulcan.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: And then if you don't mind walking 20 minutes, you
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: can be at Roscoe's, East Austin. It's fucking nuts, man.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. And then there's also Cap City. Which is
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: on the other side of town, which is fucking awesome. Yeah.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: It's amazing here.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: And, you know, there's so many young people that have
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: moved here now. And then the Kill Tony thing. The
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: Kill Tony thing is so huge because it's, first of all,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: you have one minute. You have no room for virtue signaling,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: no room for fucking claptor. Shut the fuck up. Just
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: where's the jokes? Come with the jokes. And then no
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: one takes anybody, no one's taking themselves seriously. Everybody's getting
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: cracked on. Everyone's cracking on everybody. It's very fun.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: It's a fun environment and it's just emphasizing funny. What
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: is funny? What makes people laugh? Yeah. And there's a
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: bunch of different styles that do it. You know, there's
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: a bunch of different weirdos that go up every week
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: and most of them have no chance, but there's some gems.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing about having like a true meritocracy
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: where all that matters is if you're funny. That's it.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what you look like. It doesn't matter
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: what your background is. There's, I mean, Kill Tony is
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: like one of the most diverse lineups you're ever gonna see.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: For all the people that think that Tony's a Nazi,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: it's kind of hilarious. Trans people, disabled people, people from
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: all walks of life, literal homeless people who've gone on stage,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: started a career because of Kill Tony. Literally homeless while
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: they're doing it, sleeping in a car, And the next
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: thing you know, they have a career.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It's a truly amazing thing.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: You know, he just did MSG, and I was there
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: and did the show and then paddled with Jimmy Carr
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: and Attell.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: Do you know how crazy it is that Kill Tony
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: sells out Madison Square Garden two nights in a row?
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: When I first did it with him, we did it
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: in the fucking— belly room at the store and the
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: only people in the audience were like comics there was
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: nobody in the audience there was like 10 other people maybe.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: Dude I remember excuse me I was down here to
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: do South it was when I still lived in New
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: York I was down here to do South by Southwest
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: and Tony hit me up and he goes buddy are
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: you in town Monday I go yeah.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: He goes yeah he goes buddy he goes come do
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: Kill Tony right I go okay I hadn't seen him
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: in years, you know? And the last I saw him,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: I did it in the belly room. Maybe the main room.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: I don't, you know, whatever. But it was at the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Comedy Store.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: Dude, I walked into the fucking Vulcan because it was
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: before Mothership opened. I walked into the Vulcan. It was
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: like fucking Thunderdome, dude.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: It was two levels.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: People, like, you could feel the excitement. Dude, I walked
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: in the green room. Tony goes, there he is. I go,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on? What is going on?
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: I go, is it like this every week? He goes,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: it sells out in one minute. I was like, what?
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: I go, did these people fly in? He's like, yeah.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: I was like, dude, it's broken our ticket service multiple
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: times where it just, the overwhelming demand, the people that
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: are trying to get tickets versus the tickets that are
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: available is so crazy. It crashes the system.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: That's nuts.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: We had to revamp the system multiple times just to
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: deal with it to kill Tony Sales.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: That's fucking nuts. It's nuts.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just because it's so good. It's that simple.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: And if you've gone, you want to go again. It's
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: so fun.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: That moment, it was like, remember in Casino when Pesci
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: goes out to Vegas for the first time and De
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: Niro goes, and this is whatever Sharon Stone's character's name is.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: And then Pesci looks at Sharon Stone and he goes,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: holy shit, Ace, what the fuck you been doing out here?
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: It was that. It was like I saw that crowd.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: That crowd was Sharon Stone.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: And Tony was De Niro. And I go, what the
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: fuck you been doing out here, man?
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: Well, the Vulcan really opened up our eyes to the
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: fact that we needed a club. And what happened was
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: no one had done any stand-up at all for months.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: And then Tony and I did the Houston Improv, which
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: was great.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: We did a weekend. It was in the middle of
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: the COVID. It was in July, and everyone was scared.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: And I did it, and it was a lot of fun.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: I hadn't done stand-up in months. It was so much fun.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: But then I started thinking, what if I get COVID
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: and then give it to one of my fucking guests
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: and kill them? That was back when people were really
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: worried that COVID was going to kill you. I was like, oh, no,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: because I have these people that come in. Some of
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: them are older. And I had this lady on who
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: was a scientist, and she was older. And I was like,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: what if I gave her COVID and killed her? Because
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: that was back in the day. That was also, but
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: people were really convinced that you could be asymptomatic and
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: still spread it, which turned out really what was going
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: on was there was a lot of false positives for
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: the PCR test. 80 plus percent false positives. And so
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: I said, let me just take time off. I don't
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: want to do that. It feels totally irresponsible just because
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: I would want to get my comedy fix. Let me
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: just ride this out. And then we wound up moving
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: to Texas. And by the time we moved to Texas,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: it was around November. And Dave and I were doing
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: these outdoor shows.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: I remember that. Stubs, right?
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We were doing shows at Stubs, which was a
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: lot of fun. But everybody had to be tested. People
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: had to wait in line. It was a big deal.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: And a few people tested positive. We had to kick
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: them out. Right. Then... The Vulcan just started doing shows.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: Fuck your tests. Let's just go back to the way
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: it was. And this is in November. And Ron White
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: went up and he hadn't gone up in like eight months.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: He hadn't done any stand up in eight months. And
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: he went on stage and the audience went fucking berserk.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: They went berserk. Like people were standing up. Yeah. And
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: he murdered. I mean, Ron White just laid it down
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: for 15 minutes.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sure.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: And then he grabs me by the shoulders off stage.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: He goes, whatever the fuck we have to do, we're
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: going to keep doing this. He goes, you got to
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: open up that club. And I was like, all right. Okay,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: we're going to open up a club. And that was
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: when I decided, Mike, that's it. We're going to open
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: up a club. And then I immediately started looking at
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: real estate and immediately tried to find a place. Wow.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't know that that's how
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: the whole.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: That was it. Ron White grabbing me. Because Ron White
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: is why I moved here in the first place. So...
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: I knew Ron moved here in 2018. And, you know,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: me and Ron were talking on the phone. He was like,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: I fucking love it here. And, you know, he's telling
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: me how great Austin was. And everything else was locked down.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: I was like, look, if I move to Austin, if
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: no one's doing stand-up again ever, at least I can
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: hang out with Ron. Sure. At least it'll be a
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: comic that I can hang out with and live in
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: a place where it's, like, more relaxed and it's easier
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: to get around.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: You don't have to wear a mask everywhere. It was
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: like at least it was more chill here.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: Even if we never do stand-up again. And so him
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: doing that and just grabbing me and saying, we're going to,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: we got to fucking do this, whatever the fuck we
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: have to do. That's what he said. Like he was
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: just on fire coming off stage, just on fire and
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: just grab my shoulders. And I was like, okay, we're
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: doing it.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: That's fucking great.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: And that's when I did it. Cause I was always,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: we were talking about it. Like we should open up
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: a club where, and I looked at a bunch of
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: different places, but they kind of sucked and they were
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: trying to fuck me. And they were asking way too
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: much money for these places. Like during the, In the
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: beginning stages of the pandemic when everyone was moving here
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: from California, everyone got crazy with real estate. They got
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: really nutty.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, it was bat shit.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: They got really delusional. The prices went up like 100%
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: in a lot of places.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going through it now because I bought a
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: condo here and I'm trying to sell the condo and
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: buy a house. And it's very tricky now because the
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: market has shifted so much and value's There's.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: Way too many condos for sale.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: Way too many.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: Way too many.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: I'm worried that I'm going to end up buying this
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: house and not be able to get rid of this
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: goddamn condo.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to keep the condo.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: I don't have any need for it. I'm like, I
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: don't know what I would do with it, you know?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: But I also don't want to live in this condo
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: anymore because originally.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: That's where you take sketchy women. Women that you think
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: might rob you? Because I know you date a lot
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: of sketchy gals. Yeah. Take him to the condo. Have
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: a house where it's calm and peaceful, a little bit
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: off the track. Get a little yard. Get some peace
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: and quiet.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Take her to the condo. She goes, why is there
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: only an air mattress in here?
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: How come you only have four pairs of underwear?
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: It's not a bad point you make. I've had a
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: few people in my condo where.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know if this was a mistake.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Give this address away.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: Once you have people showing up at your house, they're like, oh, no.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: It's, oh, wait. You were just.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: You were talking about starting the club.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, oh.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: What's so weird is it's an odd kind of full
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: circle moment, but when I lived here in 2000, your
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: club was the original Alamo.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: And the Alamo Draft House... at that time, was the
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: only movie theater ever in the country that served food
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: and alcohol during a movie. And I remember that being
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: a place that I went to frequently because I thought
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: it was so amazing that you could get.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: Food during a movie. And the kinds of movies they played,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: I loved. And then on top of it, I always
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: saw that as the reason that I loved Austin. It
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: was just sort of a....
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: A symbol of why I loved Austin, the concept of
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: it all. And it's so weird now that I've moved
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: back after all these years that that's where the mothership is,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: and now that's my symbol for living in Austin and
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: being a part of this club and that club begetting
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: all these other places that we get to perform in
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: this scene and all that stuff. It's a very weird
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: kind of full circle thing I didn't realize until right
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 4: now as we were.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: Talking about it.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: We need to have a birthday party for the building.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: The building turns 100 next year.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We have to have a birthday party for the building.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. You absolutely should. Yeah.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: We should do something.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: A lot of history in that building. A lot of
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: cool shit.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: You could feel it. I felt it when you never
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: got to be here when it was bare bones. But
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: when it was bare bones, when it was just the
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: movie theater, before we did all the renovations and raised
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: the ceiling or lowered the ceiling and raised the floor
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: and changed it and made the tunnel and all the
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: structure that we put in place. When we first got
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: in there, like you could feel it. You could feel
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: it like baked into the walls. I mean, Stevie Ray
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: Vaughan performed there.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: What was it before the Alamo?
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: It was a bunch of different things. So at one
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: point in time, it was like a punk rock club. Wow.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: So like Black Flag performed there and Like, who's this?
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: Chili Peppers in 86.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: Chili Peppers, 86.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: So that's why all of those punk flyers are in
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: the green room.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: The green room is all flyers from people that performed
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: at the club. Their shows. I didn't know that. Yeah.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: I thought it was just a cool, like, decor thing.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. Well, it's that, too.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: But it's also, look at it. He's got the sock
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: over his cock. Raw butthole, right on our stage. Yeah,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: there you go. Yeah, all those things on the wall,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: all those different people. Wow. Willie Nelson, all those different
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: people performed there. That was their flyer for the show
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: that they did when they were at the club.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: There's so many bands on that wall where I'm like,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: I love that band.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: Butthole Surfers. Yeah, it's tons. So it was a punk
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: rock band. It was a punk rock club. It was
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: a rock and roll club. It was a pool hall
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: for a while. It was a nudie movie theater. Yeah.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then, obviously, it became the Alamo. And then
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: the Alamo went under, I think, before the pandemic it
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: went under. And then it was available, you know, like
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: a year later. And I looked at it and I
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: was like, meh. It's like too much work. And then
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: that was from what year? 74. Wow.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: So that's Fat Man.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: Yep. That's what it used to look like.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: Fuck, man. I mean, it looks different, obviously, but it
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't look that different.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: It looks a lot more narrow.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: What I don't understand, like what happened? I wonder if
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: it was two rooms back then.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: It looks different. It looks very different in terms of, like,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: that looks more like it.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: Not the same one.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, different one. Yeah. The middle one looks like it.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: But the middle one looks more like it. Go back
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: to that again. Yeah, that looks more like the dimensions.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: Fuck, man.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: We fit 250 people in the big room. But I
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: think we could fit a lot more if we have
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: seating like the Comedy Works in Denver, which I think
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: is the best seat. That's what it looked like when
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: we first got there. When we first got there, it
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: looked like that. And we walked in and we were like,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: holy shit. The stage was really high, obviously, because it
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: was like movie theater.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: And the seating was at an angle, a very sharp angle,
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: like a movie theater. And so we had to raise
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: the floor up. So it was flat in the center
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: and just a slight raise in the back. And then
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: we kept those two balconies. Go back up to that
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: picture right there. Those two balconies that we have, obviously,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: we have the green room balcony and then the VIP balcony,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: which is such a dope thing to have.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: Because there's always friends that come by that want to
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: come by and see the show. And you always have
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: 40 seats. You know, you could always get 40 people
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: up there. So there's always plenty of room.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Those balconies fit 40 people total?
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: Holy shit. Yeah. That's crazy.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: We always can stuff plenty of people back up in there.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: That's fucking, wow. I had no idea the building was
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: as old as you just said it was. Yeah. And
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: I had no idea all that other shit was. 1927.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: Is this still the main room or is this Little Boy?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: No, it's Kansas City.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: Sorry. Similar looking. But, you know, we tried to figure
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: out how to do it. Do we do it just
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: like initially we thought, well, maybe we should do it.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: just like this, like have seating, like movie theater seating.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: And then we're like, no, we should probably like raise
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: the floor up and make it flat in the front.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: It would make more sense, you know? And then we
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: had to figure out like what to do with the stage.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: And then Louie gave me some really good advice. We
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: were going to keep the ceiling the way it was.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: And Louie was like, how can you lower it? And
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: I was like, I think we can lower it like,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: and still get some view out of the balcony. So
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: we had to figure out how to lower the ceiling
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: just enough. So, and it made a difference. And then
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: he said lower the ceiling in the little boy too.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: And we did that. And then we also made the
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: stage smaller in the little boy. This is all Louie's advice.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: And he was dead on. I was like, tell me
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: what you think. I listened to everybody. Everybody got a
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: say in what to do, what to have. Like Brian Simpson,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: it was his idea to have the lights in the
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: green room, the light that shows you. Someone's got the
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: light in the big room. Someone's got the light in
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: the little room. And then I think it was Tony's
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: idea to put the timers, one or the other. Maybe
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: it was Tony for the lights, Brian for the timer.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: I forget. But everybody had a little piece of the, like,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: I think it was Brian's idea to have monitors. It
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: was like everybody got a say in how it's done.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: That's what it looked like when we first walked in.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: What does it look like now? I never go in
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: through the front. It looks... I know, go to what
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: it looks like now. See if you can find an
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: image of the mothership.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: It's been redone, obviously, but it looks similar enough that
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: you can see the bones.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's essentially, it was set up perfectly for
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: two rooms. There's no pictures of the UFO? That's kind
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: of crazy. So we have a big UFO as you
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: walk in. There it is. That's the UFO. And it
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: has a projector. So the UFO has a projector, and
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: up on the screen... It projects all the people that
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: are coming soon.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: That's fucking cool.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: It's been amazing. We've been open for three years now,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: and it's been the most fun thing that I've ever
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: been a part of.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: It's hilarious. I've walked under that projector a thousand times,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: and I never realized, or the UFO, I mean, and
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: I never realized it was projecting shit onto a screen.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a projector.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: That's so funny.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: We just wanted to make it cool. And it's also,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: I think it's a fire extinguisher. I think the center
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: of it is a fire. I think we had to
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: have one, so we put it in the center of
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: the UFO.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: That same time I was talking about during South by
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: Southwest and when I did kill Tony, it was me
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 4: and Adam Ray.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: We're on panel.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 4: And the next day, Eric invited us over to see
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 4: the club. It wasn't done yet, you know, but he
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: walked us in. I remember him.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: Walking me through Little Boy and being like, we're going
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: to do this, we're going to do this, we're going
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: to do this, we're going to do this. And I
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: remember he goes, you going to play here? And I go,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: I fucking hope so. I hope so.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, it was wild seeing it, like, you know,
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: in the construction phase and whatever, and then seeing the
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 4: final product and remembering, like, oh, I remember he told
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: me they were going to change that.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: It's been really fun.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, and, you know, it's, you know, I think
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: few people are in a position to have created a
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: club That can operate the way a club ideally should operate.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: And you're one of those people and you made it work.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to do it not to make money.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: My goal in the beginning was just break even. That
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: was the goal. Let's just break even. So the idea
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: is that everybody gets paid what they're supposed to get paid,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: particularly the comics. That's what everybody's here to see. They're
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: not there to buy drinks in an empty room. They're
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: there to see the comics. So the comics should get
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: the most money. And that's, you know, what I used
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: to always think when I'd go to other clubs. I'd
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: be like, this is crazy. But I would always tell comedians,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: be nice to club owners because you don't want to
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: be one. Like, you don't want to be the guy
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: that has to run these fucking places and deal with
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: these maniacs that come in. And especially some of the
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: nuttier ones on the road. You know, like, can you
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: imagine if you had to run the Funny Bone in Columbus, Ohio?
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: Fucking animals that show up and miss their flights. They
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: do ecstasy the night before. They can't read.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: It's 830, the headline. not there yet. What the fuck?
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: He's trying to score coke.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: I always said that too.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: I would never want to be in a position where
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: I have to deal with comics from that side of it.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: Especially comics coming up. There's, like, most established comedians, once
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: you've been doing it a long time, you have a career, you're, like,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: you're reliable, you know? You know what I'm saying?
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: Like, if you book, you know, fill in the blank.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: You know, whoever it is, it's, like, national headline. They're
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: going to show up.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 4: Well, also, too, like, the profile, and correct me if
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 4: I'm wrong, but the profile that you were able to
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: bring to the club is, Probably helped you circumvent some
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 4: of the horseshit that club owners in Idaho have to
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 4: deal with, with agents and all that shit, where it's like, hey, man, sorry,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: there's an improv there, so... We can't take our guy
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: out of the improv. And now there's a whole other
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 4: battle now that you have to do.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: Well, there's that. If you pay people more, they'll go
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: to your place. That's one thing I found out. And
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: it pisses off the other clubs. But, look, that's not
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: my fault. I am a comedian. I made a living
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: doing this for a long time. And I know the
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: value of the comedian. I know the value of the comic.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: The comic should be getting most of the money. I
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: don't deserve most of the money. We can make money.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: We're going to make money on 20% of the ticket
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: sales and the liquor and all that jazz. We'll make
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: plenty of money. Let's not be greedy. Let's just make
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: an awesome environment. And that's what we wanted to do.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: So the goal was never to make money. So most people,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: when they start a business, their goal is to try
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: to make money. And this was a conscious decision to
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: just not lose money. Just make it cool.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 4: It's again, yeah, you were in a very advantageous position
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 4: to make it the right way.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: It was also like I kind of had to do
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: it that way because I had the resources and it's like, look,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to do the right thing. This is the
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: thing you should do. What would you like someone that
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: has your kind of money to do? I would like
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: someone to make an awesome club for comics. Like, you're
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: a comic, you know how important it is. Make the fucking,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: the best creative environment, welcoming everybody, pump everybody up. That's
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: what you should do.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: Dude, it's funny, because I always say, and you did
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: this as a comic, right? I always say with a
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: movie star, right? Somebody who's got, you know, real movie star, bank.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 4: I'm just like, man, why the fuck don't more of
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 4: these guys that have endless cash start creating film situations
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 4: that they want.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: To be a part of?
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 4: I don't mean like we're going to do the next
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 4: blockbuster thing or we've got a franchise or whatever. It's like,
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 4: why don't you take 10 million bucks and make the
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 4: fucking art fucking movie with all of your friends that
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 4: you always wanted to make?
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: Because who cares?
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: You will break even.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: You will break even, at the very least.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 4: I never, ever, ever understood why more people in that
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 4: position don't do it.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: I don't get it. Because rock stars do it all
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 4: Rock stars start a little label, and they start putting
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 4: on other bands that they love, and they do passion
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 4: projects because they want to work with their friends.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: I've never... Maybe not never, but it's very rare that
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: you ever see a movie star do that. And I'm like,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: why not do it? For years, American Psycho was the
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: big one, the Bret Easton Ellis novel.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 4: Why haven't they made an accurate adaptation? Well, the studios
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 4: don't want to touch it because it's too violent.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: It's like somebody... with $ 500 million, who's a movie star,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: fucking go, I'm gonna do it. And I'm gonna do
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: it the way it's supposed to be done. And it's
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: gonna work because that's what people wanna see. And fuck it, man. Like,
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: I just, I don't get it.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: Do you think that the Christian Bale version was not accurate?
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: I like the Christian Bale version a lot, but it
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: is not the book. The book is fucking dark. It's brutal. Yeah.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: There's shit in that book.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: I was reading that book and I was like, Bret
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 4: Easton Ellis has murdered somebody.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: There are details in here where I was like, I
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: don't understand how you would know this.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: There's one of the darkest scenes in that book is
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: when he goes to get rid of the body and
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: the real estate guy sees him in the room because
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: they're selling the apartment. And so he realizes the real
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: estate guy has already gotten rid of the body.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: And they look at each other and he just leaves.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: And you're like, oh, God.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 4: And there was, by the way, I was just joking
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 4: about Bredy Snell. I don't think he's murdered somebody. I
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 4: feel like we have to say that.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: It's very important to clarify.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I was just joking.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: Just humor.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: But the thing the book did, and they cut a
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: major scene out of the movie.
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 4: It's the one extra scene on the Blu-ray. And I
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 4: don't understand why they deleted it. But there's a scene
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 4: in the movie where his friend says they're at the
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 4: club at the beginning and his friend.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: Goes, I'm out of here.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: And the guy climbs up like these like rafters or
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 4: whatever and crawls into like a fan vent in the
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 4: club and you never see him ever again.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: And that's the part in the book that makes you go,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: is this all in this fucking guy's head? What he
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: just described. happening is nuts and this guy is now
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: gone and nobody knows where he is and I'm like
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: is it that's such a key scene and they cut
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: it out of the movie and so whatever they're remaking
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: it now again oh they are yeah.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: Who's gonna be American Psycho.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: I think maybe Adam Driver is connected to it I
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: think maybe he'd be good at.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: That He's got a lot of psycho behind his eyes.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: But The Shards is the new Bret Easton Ellis adaptation
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: on Fox.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: It's his last novel, and it's a fictional autobiography where
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: the main character is him as a teenager, and there's
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: a serial killer at loose.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 4: And all these murderers are happening. They're targeting teenagers, these
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 4: brutal fucking murders. And there's a cult... happening that's reminiscent
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 4: of the Manson cult and then he's also coming of
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 4: age and realizing he's gay and like as he's trying
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 4: to deal with the fact that this murder thing is
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 4: happening and he thinks he knows who it is and
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: it's a wild story but they're and he's he co-created
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 4: it with Ryan Murphy the TV show the adaptation it's
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 4: really fucking good so.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: Far really so it's a period piece.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah it takes place like 83.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: Or 84 you know I could tell the Ferrari yeah
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: Old Ferrari.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 4: But it's one of the adaptations where I was like,
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 4: I feel like they're really capturing a lot of what's
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 4: actually in the book.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: Because Less Than Zero is a cool movie, but it's
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: not the book. Rules of Attraction is a great movie.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: And he said that was the closest thing that anybody
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: had gotten.
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: To one of his books. American Psycho would be very
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: hard to capture the darkness of it. Because you're also
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: capturing this guy's internal dialogue, you know, which is some
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: of it. Yeah. It's dark. So what would you do?
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: Would you have a guy narrate the internal dialogue? You're
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: missing something.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: Well, they did that with Bale. He narrates the entire thing.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: I know, but you're missing something there.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: It's very funny. How do you mean?
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: Because I think instead of hearing it, when you're reading
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: the internal dialogue, you understand that there's no, you don't
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: hear the voices.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? This guy's got some fucking
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: creepy shit going on in his head. He's a fucking sociopath,
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: psychopathic murderer. It's like you get into his head in
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: this way that I don't think you ever do in
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: a movie. You're in his head when you're reading it
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: because you're imagining it all happening in his head. You're
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: imagining how he's viewing the real estate scene. He's locking eyes,
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: this real estate guy. There's a creepiness to it that's like, oof.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 4: He plays the best scene acting-wise, in my opinion, in
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 4: that movie is when they're comparing the business cards.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: And they're like one-upping each other. Look at mine, man.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 4: It's bone white and whatever. And Christian Bale starts sweating.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 4: And he gets like hoarse and he's like, it's nice.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: It's nice.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 4: Because it's this fucking pissing contest where it's the best
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 4: business card.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: And he's so upset that he doesn't have the best
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: business card.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: That he wants to kill that guy. Yeah.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: I'm listening to this podcast about Luigi, the guy who
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: murdered the health care executive. It's a very, very interesting podcast.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: You know, it details how they caught him, the whole deal.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: But one of the things they brought up was one
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: of the first things they thought of after that guy
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: got assassinated was probably somebody he worked with. Really? Yeah.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: They had to find out whether or not someone had
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: some sort of a grudge. Someone got recently fired. Because
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: when people get murdered like that, you oftentimes think it
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: could be a coworker. I have a former coworker.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 4: I have a question for you about Luigi. I'm glad
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 4: you brought it up. I'm so sorry I have to
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 4: pee really bad.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: Why don't you go pee really bad?
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pee really fast. I'll be back.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: Question about Luigi.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: My fucking manager does it. Everybody does it. It's really
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: fucking annoying.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Joe. Is it more annoying than boiling your own coffee?
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: No, nothing's more annoying than that.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: Turning on the stove, filling the pot. When does it end?
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: When does it end? What were we talking about? Luigi. Luigi, yeah.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: This is what I wanted to ask you because there.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: Were— Jamie has a theory. Well, there were all the— Okay,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: not publicly.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: There were all the people— You know, Luigi.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 4: Sparked that whole debate about justified violence or whatever, which
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 4: I thought was bullshit. But everybody that was rah-rah-ing Luigi going,
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 4: he's a hero and how many people is this healthcare
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 4: guy killed and all that bullshit, I wonder now what
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 4: everybody's saying about the fact that Luigi is doing the
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 4: insanity plea. And it's like, well, he didn't really stick
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: to his fucking, I mean, if that was his thing
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 4: and he was going to be the big crusader for him.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: To now go. Yeah, but he's just playing the legal system.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the smart move. Play the insanity.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: Well, it's the smart move if you're not.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: It also might be accurate.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: But also, is it the smart move? I know it's
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: the smart move.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 4: I'm saying if you're going to go out there and go,
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 4: I did this because it was justice and whatever, and
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 4: then go, oh, wait, actually.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: I was a little crazy.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: But here's the point. If you did shoot a man
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: who had nothing to do with you because you thought
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: it was justice because he was a health care executive,
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know how he picked that guy. I don't
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: know the details of what that guy has done. Was
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: he particularly bad? The guy he killed?
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: I think he was a CEO.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: It was definitely targeted that this man is responsible for
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: decisions made.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: That killed people. Was he the CEO, Jamie? Of UnitedHealthcare?
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: Is that what he was? So if you think that
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: you should go murder somebody like that, you're probably mentally ill.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: If you think that that kind of violence is justified—
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: The problem that a lot of young people are having
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: right now and a lot of people that agree with
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: what Luigi did and they celebrated it is because everyone
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: knows that the system is rigged and no one is
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: doing anything to change it. And this is what drives
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: people fucking crazy. If you get health insurance... And their
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: whole business model is to deny as many claims as possible,
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: even if they know that your claims are justified because
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: they want to make money. So they're really in the
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: making money business and they're pretending they're in the we're
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: going to take care of you and give you insurance business. Yes.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: So they're not really in that business. Yes. They're in
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: the business of making the most amount of money. If
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: they can fuck 10% of the people over or 20%
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: of the people over, that's 20% more money. And that's
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: how they look at it. And that drives everyone nuts
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: and rightly so. And if they don't fucking correct that,
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: people don't have a whole lot of options as to
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: how to lash out and how to get back. And
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: especially if like, let's say it's your wife. Let's say
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: your wife gets injured or gets a disease or something
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: and they can treat her and they deny the claim.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: Or maybe she needs a surgery, some crazy surgery. And
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: they deny the claim and it bankrupts you and she dies.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: You want to murder somebody, and it makes sense because
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: you're paying for this fucking insurance all this time thinking
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: that you're insured if something goes wrong. That's the whole
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: reason why you give them money. You don't give them
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: money for freebies. It's not for no reason. It's not
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: because you like them. You want UnitedHealthcare to have a yacht. No,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: you give them the money because it's supposed to be
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: an agreement.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 4: I agree with that completely. I have no beef with
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 4: the concept behind... His motivations for hatred of a health
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: care CEO. I have no problem with that.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: My question is, does it take away from the people
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: that were rah-rah-ing him for him to now go, oh,
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: that was just crazy. Sorry.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think it does.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think it does. No? He's trying to not
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: go to jail. And a lot of those people think
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: he shouldn't go to jail.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: I think he should go to jail. I don't think
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: you should be able to be walking up to people
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: on the fucking street and murdering them. But I can
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: understand where your anger comes from. I get it. I
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: really do. And there's a thing about capitalism, right? There's
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: a thing about corporations in particular that you're beholden to
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: your shareholders. You have to make more money every quarter.
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: That alone, that motivation alone, it motivates sociopathic behavior. The
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: people that are going to be the most successful are
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: the ones who are going to be the most ruthless
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: and they're going to squeeze the most money possible without
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: crushing the company's reputation. And that's their goal. And in
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: the healthcare market, the problem is like, what are your options?
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: There's no one amazing option where they always take care
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: of everybody and they're real– it's ethical capitalism. They're just
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: trying to– look, we make plenty of money giving people
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: real insurance and really taking care of them and really
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: paying for– And so let's make less money, but let's
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: make everybody healthier. Nobody does that.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: Nobody.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: So your options, if you have to get insurance, are
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: very limited. You're just giving money to psychos. So which
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 2: psycho gets my money? Which psycho that doesn't give a
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: fuck about me or my family or anybody I love
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: if they get hurt or sick?
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 4: Every year that I don't do a writing gig on
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 4: a TV show, which is not every year. I don't
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 4: do it frequently. I do it sometimes. But every year
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 4: I don't do a writing gig on a TV show
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 4: or I don't act enough to clear SAG insurance, I
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 4: have to make a decision. Is this worth $ 600 a
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 4: month for fucking health insurance?
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: Is it? I don't know. I don't know that it is,
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: especially now with.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: Just imagine how angry you would be if you paid
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: all that money and then you broke your ankle or
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: something like that and they denied you.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: You're like, what?
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: And this is why people cheer about this Luigi guy.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 2: There are a ton of stories of people who had
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: treatable illnesses and they were denied coverage. They had surgeries
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: that could have been done to save them. They were
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: denied coverage. There's a ton of stories like that.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 5: It's a dirty fucking game. It's a dirty fucking game.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 5: And it's not the game they're pretending it is. They're
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 5: pretending the game is we're going to help take care
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 5: of you. You're going to have a safety net. So
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 5: you pay a little bit of money, and hopefully nothing happens.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 5: You never need us. And that's our gamble.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: Our gamble is if you do need us, you're going
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: to get more value out of it than you put
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: into it.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: And they don't want that.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 4: Health insurance has become like the protection plan at Best
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: Buy when you buy a TV.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: You want the two-year protection plan in case anything?
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: I don't fucking know because no.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: Well, some places have a good protection plan, though. They
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: just give you a new TV. Healthcare is not even that.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: It's not even that. It's worse. It's worse than Best Buy.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know why that made me laugh. You just went, well,
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: some places have a good protection plan.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 2: They do. Some places, you just bring them the computer,
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: they give you a brand new one. This thing sucks.
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: It broke. Yeah.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: I go, okay, hold on. File out this form. We'll
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: get you another one.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: Every time I've tried to utilize it, I bring it
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: in and they go, oh, well, actually... Oh, really? Yeah,
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: this doesn't, yeah. The screen's cracked. That's not really part
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: Well, you probably broke it.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: What the fuck?
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 2: You probably did something stupid. What'd you do? It's probably
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: your fault.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 4: I probably threw it across the room in a fit
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 4: of rage because I had to boil water in the morning. But,
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 4: you know, it's a dire, you know, when the Neiman
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 4: Marcus gang thing was happening where these kids were running
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 4: into Neiman Marcus and stealing shit, which, again, I don't
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 4: think is an okay thing to do, but You know,
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 4: like my mom, I remember, was being like, can.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: You believe these kids are... I go, mom, they just
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: told an entire generation of kids they'll never own land.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: They're fucking hopeless.
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: They're hopeless. Like, what do you... Where does your head
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: even go? Where's your.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: I have a.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: In my act... I have a line. It's not even
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: a joke. I just go, where are the Gen Zs?
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: And they clap. And I go, you'll never own land.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: And it gets a huge laugh because it's so true.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: And it's like, it's fucked up.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: And then they hear that private equity companies are buying
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: up houses so they could lease them out. And so
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: they'll own all the houses. Like, fucking what?
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: And the parking lots.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: They're buying up all the fucking parking lots. You can't
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: park anywhere for free or for cheap. You know?
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 4: It's fucking crazy, man. We are living in a rent-to-live
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 4: culture anymore. Well, it's just.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: About, it's again what we were talking about, about maximizing
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: the amount of money you could squeeze out of people.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: And that's their business. And it doesn't have to be
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: like that. But it does have to be like that
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: if you're public. It's almost like we're better off with
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: a bunch of private corporations. And if you're private, you
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: can do whatever you want. Like, there's private court. Like, look,
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: you could decide. I'm going to do, you know, I'm
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: going to give X amount of my profits to this.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give Y to that. I'm going to
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: do whatever I want because it's my money. But as
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: soon as you have shareholders. As soon as you take
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: that IPO money, ooh, baby, that's a big windfall, though.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: You got all this money, all this stock, all this
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: capital has been invested in your business. Your business is
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: going to grow, and the business does grow. So do
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: your fucking problems.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: They've ruined, shareholders have ruined, I'm not saying shareholders inherently
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: are evil, but the board of directors and shareholders and
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: all that shit, they have ruined everything. They've ruined everything.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: It's like, everybody goes, why did the last three Star
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: Wars movies suck?
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 4: Kathleen Kennedy came out and said, we were met with
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 4: demands by the shareholders to rush the fucking sequels out,
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 4: and we couldn't make the movies we wanted to make.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: So that's how- Imagine if they did that to Jim Cameron.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: You can't do that. You can't rush that guy. Imagine
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: if you rushed Avatar. Fuck you. Fuck you. That movie
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: takes forever to make. That's why it's awesome. There's certain
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 2: things that you can't do just for money. And health
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: care should be one of them. It should be one
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what? And I don't say this to
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: ball wash you in any way.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 4: But you just said it 10 minutes ago about the club.
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 4: And for all the criticisms that people can level at you,
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 4: whatever the fuck they want to say, whatever, it's like, hey, man,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 4: here's a guy I know that has a lot of
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 4: money that started something that helps other people in the
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 4: industry he works in and said, I'm not worried about
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 4: making money.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: I'm worried about breaking even. And I want the people
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: that I'm working at my club to benefit. You actually
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: did it.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 4: You actually did the thing that we're complaining that other
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 4: people don't do. You actually did the thing where you said,
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 4: I am not going to try to turn massive profits
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 4: off of this club. What I'm going to try to
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 4: do is create an environment where people can make what
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 4: they deserve to make. That's fucking pretty awesome and pretty crazy.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is anybody can do that that's successful already.
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: You could all choose to run a business that way.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people do. I'm not unique in
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: that way. There's a lot of like really ethical, like moral,
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: happy people. Sure. And you make a happier environment too.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing. Like the environment, the club is
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: very happy. Everybody gets paid really well. Everybody's making money.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: The waitresses, waiters are all making money. Everybody's happy. Yeah.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: That's beautiful. You go to a place where people are
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: happy to be there. That's what you want. You don't
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: want to go to a place where you're making maximum
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: profits and everybody is in hell. And that's a lot
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: of people that work in corporations, right? You're working way
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: more hours than you should. You never see your kids.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: You're constantly fucking stressed out. Your cortisol is through the roof.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: You're about to have a fucking heart attack. But you
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: bought a house in the Hamptons. Look at that. I
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: got a $ 15 million house overlooking the bay. How about that?
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: You fucking win. I got the new Ferrari. You want
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: to see it? And meanwhile, you're dying, right? But that's
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: the environment of just chasing money. I think you can
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: make plenty of money. I mean, obviously, I'm in an
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: unusual situation. But I think most business owners that do well,
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: once you're doing well, what is enough? Like it's make
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: it just make it better for everybody. What's enough? What's
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 2: enough money? What's enough? You know, if you're running a corporation,
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: is it really good to cut back on the ingredients
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: and fuck people over? I was seeing this thing about
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: powdered sugar. Some guy went to a grocery store and
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: he took all these bags of two pound bags of
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: powdered sugar and he weighed them. They're like 1.3 pounds, 1.2 pounds, 1.27.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: They're just fucking you. You're telling me that's not on purpose?
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: Your machines are so off that it doesn't know what
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 2: two pounds are?
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 2: But this is this mentality of just squeeze the most. Yeah.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: Squeeze the most. I don't think you have to do that.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: I think if your business is successful, just– it should
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: be– like– You're good. You're good. Let's keep the ball rolling.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: Don't try to just keep making the most money possible
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: every quarter. And that's what they do in corporations because
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: they have to. If you don't, you're a bad CEO.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: You'll get kicked out. Like, hey, good news, guys. We
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: made the same amount of money this month as we
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 2: did last month.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 1: Like, what? This guy sucks. Yeah.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: This guy fucking sucks. Where's my return?
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: You know, I'll be fucking, we're going to vote him out. Yeah.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: And then you get a board meeting together and people
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: complain and you have to do that. That's their job.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 4: Ideally what should happen is you say, Hey guys, we
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 4: made more money this month than we did last month.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 4: But the reason we made more money is because we
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 4: made a better product. that brought in even more customers
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 4: and it was beneficial to everybody.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: And it's not that.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 2: Not we squeezed the same amount of customers out of
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: more money.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: It's the fucking potato chip thing.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: Well, it's the other thing. You know this avocado oil
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: scandal that's going on right now?
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: So all these people that are buying things made with
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: avocado oil, they think, oh, this is going to be
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 2: super healthy. Turns out a lot of these corporations are
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: fucking you over, and they're using seed oils and fucking
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: safflower oil and rapeseed oil, all these different oils, and
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: they're pretending that it's avocado oil.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 4: I watched a thing about food where they talked about,
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 4: by the way, what I meant by the potato chip
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 4: thing was, We were just talking about this in the
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 4: lobby before we started recording. When you buy a bag
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 4: of potato chips now, and it's half full, and it's
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 4: all air.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: And, of course, the excuse is, well, no, that's so
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: it protects your chips. Get the fuck out of here.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: Fuck off. Protecting my chips. Don't crush the chips, you
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: fucking idiot. Yeah.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe pack the chips and ship them properly. No, no,
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: we can't do that.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: Have you ever had those Vandy chips?
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: No, what's Vantage?
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're chips made with beef tallow.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: They're just cooked in beef tallow. It's just beef tallow
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: and salt and potato chips. They're the best potato chips
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: you've ever eaten in your fucking life.
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: Where do you get them?
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: You can buy them online. I buy them online.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of these- They're so legit, dude.
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 2: If I want potato chips, oh, they're so good. And
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: you don't overeat them. It's crazy. Like when it's real food,
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 2: you eat enough.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: You know, especially they're like soaked in beef tallow. They're
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: so rich and fat.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: It's actually probably good for you.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's the thing.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 4: Most of these quality food products that we want to
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 4: buy and enjoy now, you have to buy them online.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: You can't get them in fucking stores.
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: You can get them in some stores, but the problem
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: is they get bought out, you know? So say a
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: company comes along and you're making something that has like
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: really healthy ingredients and people really get into it. And
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: then Pepsi buys you.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: Some fucking Kellogg's buys you. And they turn it into
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: something that's just close enough. They change the ingredients, make
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: it cheaper. Did that happen with, is it Rao's, R-A-O's,
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: pasta sauce, Rao's?
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: Rao's.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Rao's got bought by, I think, like, whoever makes
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 4: ragu or whatever, Nabisco or some shit.
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: Rao's made a great sauce. Is it still legit or
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: do they fuck with the ingredients now?
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: I never thought there was any jarred sauce that was awesome. Like,
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: Did you ever have Steve Sharippa's when he had his? No.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: You know Steve Sharippa from The Sopranos?
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: Do you know Steve? Did you ever work for him? No.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: I worked for him when he was the booker at
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: the Riviera in Vegas.
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: I remember that.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: Before he got on The Sopranos. Before he ever did
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: any acting.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was friends with him a long fucking time ago.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: He's the best. I love that guy. He is the best.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: So he had an amazing sauce. It was, I forget
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: the name of it, but it was all organic. And
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: it was, you know, like really super top shelf ingredients.
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: It was fucking delicious.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 2: Such a good sauce. But it was too much of
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: a pain in the ass for him to keep the
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 2: business rolling. And he got rid of it. I'm like,
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: God damn, dude, that sucks. So I think he had
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 2: a problem keeping up with demand too, because it was
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 2: like he came on the podcast and talked about it.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: And then he eventually just bailed on the business.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 4: Look, man, it's one of the reasons I left my
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 4: sandwich shop was because I felt like operating in New
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 4: York was too hard of a thing. And we had
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 4: to keep the four years, five years, whatever, that I
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 4: did it, we had to keep kind of upping prices
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 4: and whatever.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: And it was not out of greed. It was out
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 1: of there is no way that we stand a chance
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 1: to turn a profit unless you keep up with what
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: the demand and the economy of New York City is.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 4: And I just got to a point where I was like,
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 4: you know, man, it's just not what I thought it
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 4: could be for me.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 2: You wanted it to be fun. You wanted it just
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: to be fun.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that was it.
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 4: And it was, I wish them well, but they're still going.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 4: But it was, just for me, I was like, I
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 4: just can't, like, this isn't, you know, so that what
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 4: happens is with a.
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: Lot of these companies that get bought up, it's this
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: Steve Sharippa.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 4: Thing where it's like, Hey, man, I'd love to keep
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 4: doing this at the quality I'm doing it and at
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 4: the tick which we're.
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: Moving at or whatever.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 4: And then somebody comes along like Pepsi and goes, we'll
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 4: buy out for 50 million. And you probably go, you
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 4: know what? My ship just came in. Take the fucking,
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 4: So I don't blame people for selling to a big corporation.
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 4: It's kind of the position you're left in. This mom
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 4: and pop thing is going away constantly.
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: Or COVID put a big dent in that.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, destroyed it.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: Huge dent in it.
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: Destroyed it.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 2: Destroyed it in terms of, like, small restaurants. I know
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: so many of them that went under in L.A. I
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 2: think at one point in time, L.A. lost 70% of
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: its restaurants.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: It's that. The meat monopoly thing is brutal. You know,
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 1: like what happened with prices of meats because they saw, like, oh, actually,
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 1: we can say.
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 4: That there's a demand and low demand. Low product availability
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 4: and all this and just charge everybody this much more.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: But there also is a demand and there also is
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 2: low product. I mean, there's also the reality of the marketplace.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 1: Well, what I think it is, is there's the reality
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 1: of the problem and some people are affected by that
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: very genuinely. But then there's a lot of people that go,
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 1: there's a chance for us to capitalize. and squeeze squeeze
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: and that sucks.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 2: That sucks yep that's the thing and you know once
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: you escape the world of need and you're in a
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: world of decisions based on what you enjoy doing then
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: you could choose to do a business where you do
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: it however you want to do it and don't worry
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 2: about it right Because you're not doing it for money.
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 2: You're doing it because it's a cool thing. Right. And ideally,
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: that's what we would all like to do.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: Ideally. It's not obviously difficult to achieve. But if you
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: can get there, that's the way to do it. It's
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: just that everybody has this thing about chasing the fucking
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: whatever number it is. Whether it's a number in your
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: bank account or the address that you're living in or
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 2: the car that you're driving. Everyone's always chasing the new thing.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: There's a new thing to justify why you're pumping all
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: of your energy into a business you.
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 4: Know yeah it's uh it's it's the unfortunate uh other
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 4: side of of capitalism.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: This is why it's capitalism fucking great it's way better
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 2: than everything.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: Else well that is that i agree with but we're
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: just talking.
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 2: About yeah it's got flaws and the flaws are human
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 2: nature that's the flaws.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 4: Is there a way, do you think, is there a
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 4: way to have the free market with capitalism but actually
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 4: have some sort of regulation so these problems that we're
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 4: talking about can't occur?
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: Or is it just you have to take the good
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 1: with the bad and that's all there.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 2: Is to it? I mean, there should definitely be regulations,
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: without a doubt. But I think too much regulations, then
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: you stifle business, and that's what California has. If overregulated,
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: because the government is just too huge of a business there.
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: I think at one point in time, California, during the
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: pandemic— They lost a bunch of people, like a bunch
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: of people moved out, but they doubled the size of government.
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: They just keep adding more government and more like that's
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: where they create jobs. They create jobs through government and
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: just keep adding programs, adding government. And then you just
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: keep siphoning off tax money. And it's a slush fund
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 2: and is a whole economy based on it. And those
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: people are the people that are in charge of running
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 2: the city. And they don't want to let it go
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 2: because that's how everybody's getting paid. And nothing's getting done.
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 2: And the fucking homeless crisis never gets any better. And
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 2: the streets never get clean. Schools never get fucking funded correctly.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: But yet they keep growing their fucking business, the business
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 2: of being a fucking person in government.
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things I learned when I worked
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 1: for the– because when I lived here in 2000, I
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 1: worked for the Senate during the legislative session. It was
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: the 78. sixth legislative session, I think.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 4: I was a media reporter for the Senate Media Department.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 4: But one of the things I learned was how low
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 4: a senator's salary is versus what they actually make in
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 4: a year because of donations and whatever the fuck else.
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 4: And I was like, of course.
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 1: These people don't want to ever step down from the seat.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 4: This is the fucking, this is a fucking joy ride
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 4: And once you're in that position, now you've got a
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 4: problem because now it's like, well, who's actually in there
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 4: to do something versus who's in there to keep the job?
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 4: And if you want to keep the job, keep the
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 4: constituents happy.
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 1: Well, how do you do that? Well, then you start
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 1: compromising things and catering.
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 2: And you learn how to be a good bullshit artist.
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: You learn how to say the things they want you
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 2: to say. That's why people support ridiculous positions because they
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: fucking lick their finger and find out which way the
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 2: wind's blowing. And that's the way my constituents want. So
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 2: that's how I feel.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: You know, I think God's non-binary. Like, whatever. They just
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 2: start talking. They start saying things. You're like, why are
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 2: you saying this? This makes no sense. They're saying it
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: because they think it's going to help them and get
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 2: them to win. It's kooky stuff, man.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 2: And nobody wants the job. That's the other thing. No
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 2: really successful person who would really be good at it
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 2: wants the job. It's too much work. It's a hassle.
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 2: You're also dealing with insane corruption once you get in there.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 2: Try untangling all the fucking webs that have been spun
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 2: for decades where they've been moving money to this and
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: moving money to that. And you got to pay a
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 2: little of this and you got to pay a little
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 2: of that. Yeah.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see a Charlie Wilson's war Tom Hanks movie? No.
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 4: You'd love it. Mike Nichols directed it. Tom Hanks and
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 4: a Philip Seymour Hoffman. It's my favorite Philip Seymour Hoffman.
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 1: Performance ever. It's a fucking awesome movie. Uh, But it's
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 1: about how when we were sending arms and funding the
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: Afghanis when Russia was attacking Afghanistan. And he's in there
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 1: to do a good thing.
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 4: He's like, these people are getting fucking taken over. The
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 4: Russians are coming in, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 4: does all this good thing. He gets all this funding
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 4: to them. He helps them. The Afghanis start shooting the
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 4: Russian copters out of the fucking air and all this shit.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 4: And he's like, this is great. And then all of
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 4: a sudden, powers that be are like, we're cutting the funding.
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 4: And he's like, what are you talking about? We just
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 4: helped these people liberate themselves. We can't cut the funding now.
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 1: We have to rebuild. And they're like, yeah, we're not rebuilding.
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: We're not spending any more money in this.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 4: And the end of the movie is Philip Sehoroff telling
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 4: Tom Hanks that he doesn't say the name, but he
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 4: says the fucking loonies are in the hen house. He's
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 4: talking about bin Laden is now taking over Afghanistan. And
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 4: this is going to go real fucking sideways on us.
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 4: And it's just such a great encapsulation of that's how
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 4: it works.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: That's how it works.
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 4: You do a good thing and then all of a
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 4: sudden it creates an even bigger fucking problem than they
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 4: ever anticipated because of funding.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: Also, why were they doing it in the first place?
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 2: Why the fuck are they funding the Mujahideen? And that's
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: how bin Laden turned against us. Right. That's what it
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: was all about. He realized how dirty our fucking politics are.
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 2: And what we're doing, we're doing regime change in other
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 2: countries and proxy wars and all the insane shit that
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 2: we've been involved with forever.
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: It's fucked up. The way it's portrayed.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 4: In the movie is the Russians are attacking these people.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 4: It's going to be this genocide.
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 1: It's blah, blah, blah, blah. That's how it's framed in
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 1: the movie. In real life, you know, I know there's
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 1: always multiple sides. It's both sides.
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's probably a lot to that, too.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 4: But it's just one of those things where I brought
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 4: it up because you said, who would ever want this job?
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 4: And I watched that movie and thought that. I was like,
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 4: who would want the fucking job of this guy?
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:34:06
  Speaker 1: That he thinks he's doing the right thing, and then
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: it just blows up in their faces.
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 2: You just hope that good people come along and want
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 2: the job. That's what you hope. But for the most part,
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 2: they're swimming in a sea of psychos. Right. Yeah.
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 4: Well, the question is, if a good person does come along,
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 4: can they stay- Can they stay pure or is the
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 4: system just built in a way where it's like now
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 4: there's no way to do this? You know, it's I
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 4: was acquitted to the Hollywood thing. It's like it's like
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, there's no way to become or it's
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 4: a very hard thing to become a massive movie star
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 4: and maintain your. morality and your ethics and whatever you're, you're,
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 4: you're playing in a system that is so fucking foul
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 4: and so dirty and whatever. That's why we're like, it's
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 4: so rare to meet a Woody Harrelson or something like that.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 1: Who's a genuine person. And nine out of 10 of
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 1: those guys, they don't fucking live there.
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 4: They're out, they go somewhere else and they dip in,
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 4: they do it, they get the fuck out again. Um,
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 4: so I always wonder, like, is there a, we always
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 4: say like, if only a decent man would come along
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 4: and lead us or, or, or, or, Take this seat
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 4: in this office.
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 1: Is it possible to even remain pure at that point?
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 4: Or is it just, hey, this is how it works.
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 4: This is all there is to it. And you either
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 4: play this game or you will be phased out.
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: And that's it. You know?
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 2: Well, the Hollywood game is interesting because you have to
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 2: have the same political opinions of them. Yeah. If you
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 2: don't have any variation whatsoever. If you're like, hey, maybe
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 2: we shouldn't take this weird experimental vaccine. Yeah. You're cast
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 2: out of the kingdom. You have to be full compliance.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 2: Full compliance to whatever ideology that they have. Because they're
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 2: completely in control. They get to choose whether or not
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 2: you work. The beautiful thing about comedy and music is
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: another version of that, but less so, I think, is
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 2: that you just make what you make. And if people
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 2: like it, they come see you. Real simple. Real simple.
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 2: You get a chance. Everybody gets a chance. Everybody gets
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 2: a chance to do open mic nights. Everybody gets a chance.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 2: If someone says, hey, Joe, you're really funny. You want
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 2: to open for me on the road? Also, oh, my God,
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 2: I'm on the road. Everybody gets a chance. And the
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: thing about the movie business is it's not that way.
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 2: Like you could be a really talented actor and you
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: never get cast in something. Maybe they don't align with
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: the way you think. Maybe you didn't kiss their ass
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 2: enough when you went in for the audition. Maybe you
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 2: don't have a good agent. Whatever it is. You might
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 2: not ever work.
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a great– Oh, what is it called?
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 4: It's the documentary. I think it's just called Frank. It's
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 4: the documentary about Frank Stallone. Sylvester Stallone's brother.
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 4: And Frank Stallone is an immensely talented guy. And he
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 4: sort of got reduced to, he does stuff.
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: He works.
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 1: And he seems like a happy guy. But there was
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 1: a big part of Frank Stallone where he kind of
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 1: got reduced to the punchline of like.
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 2: Sly's brother.
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, that was Charlie Murphy. I always used
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 2: to say that about Eddie.
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 1: They talk in the documentary about Frank Stallone. They go...
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 1: Everybody's like, how did this guy not become bigger? He's
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 1: so fucking talented. He was a musician. He's a great actor.
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 1: He's this. He's that. And they say in the middle,
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 1: they go, dude, it doesn't just happen. You have to
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 1: have a team of people operating around you that make
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 1: it fucking happen. It's not just dumb luck. It's not... just, oh,
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 1: he's good.
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 4: If you don't have the people strategically, let's put it
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 4: that buying you through the system, right?
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: It doesn't fucking happen. It just doesn't happen. It's like,
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 1: look at when people get nominated that the process of
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 1: getting nominated for an Emmy is It's like.
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 4: You get the consideration vote. And then I would see
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 4: it when I was living in L.A.
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 1: And then people would do these PR campaigns just based
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 1: on the consideration.
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Those billboards for your consideration.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: You'd see them everywhere.
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 1: Then you get nominated. And then that's a whole other thing.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 1: That's why I thought it was such bullshit. And I'm
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 1: a big fan. I'm not knocking the guy.
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 4: But, like, when the whole thing happened with, like, the
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 4: year that Brendan Fraser won for the whale was the
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 4: same year the kid that played short.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: Round won for everything, everywhere, all at once. Do you
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 1: remember that year at the Oscars?
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 1: And they both, it was like, it's the year of
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 1: the comebacks at the Oscars. And they're up there going,
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 1: I thought I was done.
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 2: And here I am.
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, you fucking had a campaign. This costs millions
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 1: of dollars to get you here. This is not some
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 1: underdog story. This was orchestrated. That's how it works. It's crazy.
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Nobody's like, oh, yeah, I was driving a cab.
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden I got nominated.
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 2: I won.
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 1: That's not how it fucking works. That's bad shit.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's a bad shit business.
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: It's the worst and best business of all time. It's
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 1: the best that it gets us to get to do
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: what we want to do.
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  Speaker 2: But it doesn't. Stand-up is better now. It's like stand-up
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 2: and podcasts is such an easier pathway than that. That
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 2: was the old pathway. You had to be a part
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 4: I was talking to Tony about it after MSG. We
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 4: were at the after-party. And he, you know, Tony, I love,
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 4: this is one of the things I love about him.
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 4: He gets, you have a few drinks and it's a
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 4: real love fest. He's like, buddy, we're doing it, man.
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 4: We're doing it.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 1: They told us no and we're fucking doing it. And
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 1: I go, Tony, here's what's wild. I go, the mainstream
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  Speaker 1: of entertainment could become the, for lack of a.
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 4: Better term, wokest whatever. That whole thing could come back
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 4: of PC culture and whatever. And they could tell any
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 4: one of us or all of us, you guys are out.
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 4: There's no way you're going to get anything on streamers
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 4: or anything anymore. And we'd all still be fine because
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 4: we all said we found another lane.
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 2: So fuck it.
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 2: It's a bigger lane too.
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 1: Way bigger.
• 2:40:08
  Speaker 2: It's way bigger.
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: Way bigger.
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's authentic.
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 1: Authentic. Yeah.
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 2: It's real and it's not curated. Yeah. It's real. It's simple. People.
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 2: That's what people want.
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 1: If Hollywood could send a missile to destroy YouTube, they would.
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, it's come up with some of the fucking greatest
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: talents like that guy who made Obsession came straight out
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 2: of YouTube.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 2: Dude, I got to wrap this up. Oh, OK. Your special.
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 1: Speaking of which, yeah.
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 2: Joe DeRosa, I Never Promised You a Rose Garden, available
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: right now on Netflix.
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 1: On Netflix.
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 2: Where'd you film it?
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 1: We shot this in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania. It was on my YouTube.
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 4: Netflix scooped it up. It's still on my YouTube, but
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 4: please go watch it on Netflix. And I hope you
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 4: all enjoy it. And then my podcast, Violent Horrendous, is
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 4: now out.
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 1: YMH Network.
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 4: And at Joe DeRosa Comedy on YouTube. is where you
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 4: can find it. So please listen, and I hope you
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 4: watch the special and enjoy it.
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, dude.
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 2: My pleasure, brother. I love you.
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 1: Love you, bud. Thank you. Bye, everybody.