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Cop takes a bullet, crawls to squad car. Spends 46 years tracking down shooter. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I will never forget it.
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Speaker 1: I was a rookie prosecutor and befriended a rookie cop
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Speaker 1: who was testifying in front of the grand jury a lot.
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Speaker 1: He was newly wegg just married. He pulled over a
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Speaker 1: guy in a traffic stop, a kid sixteen years old, seventeen,
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Speaker 1: who gunned him down, shot him in the face. I
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Speaker 1: remember it like it was yesterday, walking down the District
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Speaker 1: Attorney's hallway and somebody came and told me they shot Chapanni.
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Speaker 1: That was that was killed in the line of duty. Today,
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Speaker 1: I've got a story for you. You won't believe a cop,
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Speaker 1: a good cop, get shot in the line of duty,
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Speaker 1: the perp gets arrested and then escaped jail. If you
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Speaker 1: can even believe that years this cop never gives up
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Speaker 1: finding trying to find the man who shot him and
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Speaker 1: joining me today that cop I Meancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation. In serious XM one eleven, let's kick it off.
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Speaker 1: Darryl Sancana was working patrol as a rookie cop when
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Speaker 1: he noticed a suspicious car on Mario Post Away. When
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Speaker 1: he confronted the man in the car. The man pulled
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Speaker 1: out a gun, so I hit him in the temple.
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Speaker 1: I knocked his glasses and hat off and reached across
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Speaker 1: his body and grabbed his gun arm. He had a gun,
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Speaker 1: and I couldn't dot me be from solid dead prison
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Speaker 1: in California, and he had come here to hide. The
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Speaker 1: shooter was Louise Archiletta. Archiletta was later taken to a
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Speaker 1: Colorado prison, but escaped three years later in an escape
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Speaker 1: that was from a Hollywood script. I mean this was
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Speaker 1: a well orchestrated escape that he did. Took a hostage
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Speaker 1: head a getaway car, an accomplice of guns. Sincana has
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Speaker 1: been chasing him ever since for forty six years. Join
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Speaker 1: me today that cop along with an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to break it down and put it back together again.
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Speaker 1: David di Pietro, South Florida, former prosecutor now trial lawyer
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Speaker 1: CEO d Pietro Partners, Attorneys at law, renowned New York psychologists,
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Speaker 1: Joining me from Manhattan. Karen Stark at Karen Stark dot com,
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Speaker 1: Lead anchor Orlando Morning News w DBO, Ray Caputo. But
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Speaker 1: first to the hero, the man who lived Darryl Sinquanta
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Speaker 1: shot in the line of duty, spent the next forty
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Speaker 1: plus years trying to track down the guy who's shot him.
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Speaker 1: I'm just so thrilled to talk to you, Daryl, and
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Speaker 1: hearing your voice and knowing what you've been through surviving
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Speaker 1: a gunshot wound, fighting for your life. I don't know
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Speaker 1: where to start, so let's just start at the beginning.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about the day that you were shot out
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Speaker 1: a district one which is North Sender And they're solo
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Speaker 1: cars by the way, and it was about eight am
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Speaker 1: in the morning. When you say solo cars, that means
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Speaker 1: you did not have a partner, that's right. And morning
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Speaker 1: shift for cops is what time to what time? As
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Speaker 1: I recall, it was about two o'clock that you started
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Speaker 1: back then two am, I'm sorry, and it went eight hours. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're not talking about nine to five people. No, no, okay,
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Speaker 1: horrible shift and what Yeah, that's a graveyard shift right there,
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Speaker 1: and you got to be really deadicate to stick with it.
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Speaker 1: Two am you're out on the street. And another thing
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Speaker 1: about in the morning shift. You don't expect crimes to
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Speaker 1: happen at five o'clock in the morning, right, you think
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Speaker 1: of him as happening at ten eleven. Okay, go ahead, Daryl, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I just got ant and a chocolate milk, and I
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Speaker 1: was headed to the sunny saying donut man, you're just
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Speaker 1: feeding into every stereotype. Everybody's laughing. I'm not laughing because
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Speaker 1: you know what I used to do. Oh no, I'm
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Speaker 1: not because I would get so strung out prosecuting nothing
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Speaker 1: but felonies. Sometimes I felt like I was at a trance.
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Speaker 1: I'd walk to my car, which of course was way
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Speaker 1: down the street as a cheaper parking, get in the
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Speaker 1: car thinking, and I just drive through Crispy Kreme and
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Speaker 1: I get a skim milk, as if that helped anything,
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Speaker 1: and don't glaze and just sit there thinking like my
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Speaker 1: mind just zoned out about all these child molestations and
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Speaker 1: murders and apes. And yeah, I did it too. So
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Speaker 1: I'm not laughing. You know what. You guys laugh all
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Speaker 1: you want to. You're not on the street fighting crime. Okay, dear,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I had to defend ourselves. Go ahead with
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Speaker 1: the donut attack. I know it, but it's the truth
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Speaker 1: and I have to tell it. So I'm on my
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Speaker 1: way to the sunny side. To get a Sunday paper,
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Speaker 1: and I spot this card the curb in the projects,
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Speaker 1: the quick nit and projects with two females and a
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Speaker 1: male sitting in it. The mail is the passenger and
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Speaker 1: he had a Castro hat on. I have never seen
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Speaker 1: any bad guy where Castro hat at. This guy did.
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Speaker 1: So he looked he looked like a character. So back
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Speaker 1: in those days, we could contact him, stop and frisk
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Speaker 1: and get his ID. See he's won. First of all,
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Speaker 1: what time was this? By the time you got the donuts,
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Speaker 1: you got the paper, and you see a man in
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Speaker 1: passenger side. Now this is a Castro hat. It's easy
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Speaker 1: to figure out. It looks like what Fidel Castro wore.
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Speaker 1: That's what he's talking about. And every one of his
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Speaker 1: photos this is what he had on. Okay, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: So guy in a Castro had two women, he's a
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Speaker 1: passenger seat. And then what it's about eight am in
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Speaker 1: the morning. So I contact him at the passengers side.
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Speaker 1: I ask him for ID. He acts like he can
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Speaker 1: only speak Spanish. He hands me a wallet with a
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Speaker 1: social security card that says Luise, aren't to let on it,
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Speaker 1: and there's some pictures of some children. So I get
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Speaker 1: this character out of a car and I try to
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Speaker 1: get him to the back trunk and I tell him
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Speaker 1: to put his hands on the trunk, and he sidesteps
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Speaker 1: and puts his butt towards the trunk, his right elbows
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Speaker 1: going on stupid here, I decided to punch him, knock
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Speaker 1: his hat and glasses off. I grab his gun arm.
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Speaker 1: He's pulling a revolver and I can't hold him, so
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Speaker 1: he levels a gun and shoot me. I end up
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Speaker 1: on the ground. He takes off running, so I have
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Speaker 1: to crawl to the car to call for help. Back
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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one, we didn't have radios that came
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Speaker 1: out of the cars, nor did we have bullet professed.
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Speaker 1: So I had to call for help and they came.
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Speaker 1: What's the last thing you remember there on the scene?
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Speaker 1: On the scene, well, you know, it kind of knocked
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Speaker 1: the wind out of me. My legs weren't working very well.
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Speaker 1: I obviously knew I was shot. Now it didn't hurt,
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Speaker 1: and that was I thought odd. But you know, by
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Speaker 1: the time I got to the hospital, it did climb
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking to Captain Awesome.
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Speaker 1: This guy Darrel Sequanta, the author of the Blue Chameleon.
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Speaker 1: Line of duty. Eight A m gets shot at that time,
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Speaker 1: no bulletproof vests, no body transmitter, no body cam. He
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Speaker 1: crawls on the asphalt to his police cruiser, gets to
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Speaker 1: the radio. He knows he's been shot, but he doesn't
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Speaker 1: feel it, can't walk. Army crawls, crawls to his radio
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Speaker 1: and calls for help. Here's the miracle he lived. Guys,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to this. Darrel's in Quanta has vivid
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Speaker 1: memories of what happened here back on October third of
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one. He looked actor and so I backed
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Speaker 1: up and confronted him. Sin Quanza was a rookie Denver
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Speaker 1: police officer. He was pulling a gun and anyway, I
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Speaker 1: lost that battle. He survived being shot once in the
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Speaker 1: abdomen by this man Luis Archiletta. You know, back in
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Speaker 1: those days, we didn't have voproofess and our radios did
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Speaker 1: not come out of the car. So I had to
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Speaker 1: crawl to the car and get in the car and
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Speaker 1: call for help. The gunman, who also went by Lawrence
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Speaker 1: Pussa Terry, was convicted and sentenced to nine to fourteen
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Speaker 1: years in prison, but he escaped from a state hospital
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Speaker 1: and they're met by guns and an accomplice with a
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Speaker 1: gun and a getaway vehicle, and off they go. He
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Speaker 1: disappeared and was even featured on America's Most Wanted Guys.
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Speaker 1: With me right now? This guy, the guy who lived,
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Speaker 1: The cop who lived? Ever had Harry Potter, the boy
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Speaker 1: who lived? This is the cop who lived? Daryl Siquanta,
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Speaker 1: author of The Blue Chameleon, with me. You know when
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Speaker 1: I hear that story, it literally gives me a chill
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Speaker 1: down my arm thinking of you crawling to your cruiser. Now,
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Speaker 1: tell me about the purp Luis Arcoletta aka Lawrence Posa Terry.
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Speaker 1: What was he in for? Okay? You got him back
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Speaker 1: up a hair? Okay? When after he shot me, we
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Speaker 1: think that the Crusade for Justice moved him out to Mexico.
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Speaker 1: He's in Mexico and he supposedly dealing drugs. He ye,
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Speaker 1: what's the Crusade for Justice. It's an early militant terrorist
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Speaker 1: group in the United States that was based in Denver.
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Speaker 1: So he goes to actually gets in a firefight and
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Speaker 1: they get him, they arrest him. Now, the way I
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Speaker 1: get it is that he got to an American consulate
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Speaker 1: told him that he had shot a policeman in Denver
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Speaker 1: and get him out of there. He wanted to come
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Speaker 1: back to Denver. Apparently they weren't treating him real well.
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Speaker 1: So he comes back and we go to court. We
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Speaker 1: convict him. He gets nine and a half to fourteen
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Speaker 1: years for shooting me. So in nineteen seventy four he
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Speaker 1: gets transferred to the state hospital where all inmates have
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Speaker 1: to go to get minor operations. Wait, wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: I'm drinking on the fire hydrant here because there's so
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Speaker 1: much information. So after he shoots you, he goes on
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Speaker 1: the run. He goes to Mexico and there we don't
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Speaker 1: know who he is, right, don't know who he is.
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Speaker 1: He's in Mexico, he gets in a firefight. I don't
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Speaker 1: really know what that means except for a shootout, and
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you he's not on the right side of
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Speaker 1: the law. And I understand. He gets arrested. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: like it. He gets to the gets somehow in contact
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Speaker 1: with US embassy, admits he shot a cop in Denver,
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Speaker 1: and they send him back to Denver. Don't have it
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Speaker 1: right so far? Yeah, okay, tell me the first time
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Speaker 1: you saw him after he gets back to Denver. When
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Speaker 1: did you first see him to identify him in court?
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Speaker 1: I'm surprised they didn't give you a lineup ahead of
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Speaker 1: time to make sure he was the right guy. Oh
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Speaker 1: they did, they did. So you saw him the lineup? Yes,
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Speaker 1: I did. Now see everybody, when you hear that a
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Speaker 1: cop lied on the stand. That's just how it happens. Okay,
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Speaker 1: he said, I saw him in court, and I asked him,
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Speaker 1: was the first time you saw him when he came back?
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Speaker 1: It was a lineup? Tell me about the lineup if
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Speaker 1: you remember it when you laid eyes on him. Well,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a stand up lineup? Huh? And I picked
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Speaker 1: the picture. You didn't hesitate, did you? I don't think
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Speaker 1: I did. Oh, thank god. And I hate it when
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Speaker 1: the witness hesitates. And then I'm always afraid. I looked
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Speaker 1: at all the pictures, always afraa. They're going to pay
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Speaker 1: the wrong person. It was important, you know. Can I
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Speaker 1: just tell you what happened to me in court? Okay? So? Oh,
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Speaker 1: by the way, he is now the head of the GBI,
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Speaker 1: Vic Reynolds. I helped train him as a prosecutor. He's
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Speaker 1: a great prosecutor, by the way, great investigator too. We
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Speaker 1: had a guy and we called him the goatman because
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Speaker 1: he smelled like a goat. He smelled awful. Anyway, poor
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Speaker 1: guy got stabbed and I was working a murder case,
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Speaker 1: so I gave Vic this case to try. And every
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Speaker 1: time I seemed to this day, I say, hey, you
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Speaker 1: remember the goatman. Okay, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: I'm getting there. So the goat man is up on
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Speaker 1: the stand and Vic, in his usual fashion, says, and
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Speaker 1: do you see the man that stabbed you in the
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Speaker 1: courtroom today? Well, the goat then started looking. He looked
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Speaker 1: all around, and I noticed he looked over the defense
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Speaker 1: then he looked away. I'm like, oh no, oh no.
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Speaker 1: Vic had to get him down off to stand in
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Speaker 1: a wheelchair, although I think he could walk, but it
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Speaker 1: was with difficulty from the stab. He started wheeling around
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Speaker 1: and he went he went in looting the jury and said,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, I think I see him, and went went.
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Speaker 1: Vick said wait a minute, and wait a minute, look
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Speaker 1: at everybody before you decide. Anyway, Vic pushes him all
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Speaker 1: the way over to the defense table and there's the
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Speaker 1: guy and he pulls up and he looks at him
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Speaker 1: really hard. He goes, oh, yeah, that's him, that's him
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Speaker 1: right there. I was so afraid he was going to
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Speaker 1: identify the defense lawyer. I didn't know what to do. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: we got it back upon the stand and the case
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Speaker 1: went on. So I always in that moment, I'm always afraid,
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Speaker 1: no matter what else evidence we had, in that I
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Speaker 1: witness identifies the wrong person. You're screwed. So tell me
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Speaker 1: about the photo line of the photo line of you,
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Speaker 1: I Arcolette, right, I did? Oh, thank god? Okay, then
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Speaker 1: what happened? You go to trial? What happened at trial?
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Speaker 1: It comes to trial, So we go to trial. He
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Speaker 1: gets nine and a half to fourteen years, which is
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Speaker 1: pretty light for shooting a cup. Oh by the way,
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Speaker 1: where did he shoot you in the stomach? No, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't in the stomach. It was above the stomach. It
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Speaker 1: was to the right side of my chest, but the
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Speaker 1: lower part of it. You know, to you, Karen Stark psychologist,
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Speaker 1: you know how much I hate guns, hate guns, And
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Speaker 1: wouldn't you know John David, through the Scouts has turned
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Speaker 1: into a little sharpshooter. Why does that stick with you
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Speaker 1: the rest of your life for some people. Me anyway,
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Speaker 1: being a victim of gun violence, why can't I get
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Speaker 1: past that hatred? I hate to even see one. I
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm looking at a snake. It's very familiar
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Speaker 1: story to me, because that's what happens when someone is traumatized,
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Speaker 1: and every time you see anything that will remind you
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Speaker 1: of that experience, you'll be retraumatized. And in this particular instance,
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Speaker 1: a gun. A gun will always symbol, it will be
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Speaker 1: symbol for you of a horrific event that changed the
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Speaker 1: course of your life. I'm just drinking in what you
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Speaker 1: said to David DiPietro, South Florida, former prosecutor now trial
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Speaker 1: lawyer CEO d Pietro Partners, Attorneys at Law. Boy, that's
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Speaker 1: a mouthful, David d Pietro Di Pietro, How did that
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Speaker 1: whole thing work? This is a bad dude. He lived
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Speaker 1: to tell the tale, and somehow he gets through to
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Speaker 1: the US embassy and they send him back. Why am
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Speaker 1: I still the only one shot? You only got nine
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Speaker 1: to fourteen years shot. I haven't even gone to that yet.
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Speaker 1: You shoot a cop and you get fourteen years. But
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Speaker 1: how does that whole thing work with the embassy? Getting
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Speaker 1: you out of a Mexican jail and sending you to
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Speaker 1: the lap of luxury to a Denver County jail. I
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Speaker 1: guess that's do diplomatic negotiations. He was probably more wanted
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Speaker 1: in the US and he was wanted in Mexico. I
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Speaker 1: guess he was a bad shooter in Mexico and then
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Speaker 1: shoot him. He only shot at him, and he was
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Speaker 1: more wanted here in the United States. And he knew that.
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Speaker 1: That's why he went to the embassy, because he knew
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Speaker 1: he was he was more wanted in the US and
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Speaker 1: could in the prison in the US is a lot
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Speaker 1: better than a prison in Mexico, no doubt, you know,
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Speaker 1: David Pietro, you're very You're very right. You're very right.
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Speaker 1: And plus I'm sure of the Mexican jails over crowded.
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Speaker 1: They couldn't wait to unload somebody to the US. Sure
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Speaker 1: you can have him. Cod here he comes Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Darryls and Quanta. Guys, we were talking
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Speaker 1: to a hero cop shot in the line of duty,
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Speaker 1: spends the next forty plus years trying to track down
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Speaker 1: the guy who shot him. He goes to Mexico, he
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Speaker 1: comes back so you go to trial. Why did he
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Speaker 1: just get fourteen years Darryl? That doesn't sound like enough
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Speaker 1: for shooting a cop. Well, I'll tell you I was
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Speaker 1: really enraged they wouldn't file assault to murder and we
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Speaker 1: had that charge at the time. It was you know,
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't. They just wouldn't do it, and if they had,
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Speaker 1: he would have got a lot more in time. So
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Speaker 1: he got assault to angerbut an assault to a police officer,
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Speaker 1: but not to commit murder. And so that's what he
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Speaker 1: was tried on and he got nine and a half
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Speaker 1: to fourteen. You know what that that shows how important
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Speaker 1: I agree or disagree to you, David d Pietro, how
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Speaker 1: important those lawyers are at the charging level, i e.
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Speaker 1: The ones that work in grand jury, who take the
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Speaker 1: police reports and supplementals and from that they figure out
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Speaker 1: what families will be charged in the indictment. Then you
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Speaker 1: present those charges to a grand jury and they yeah,
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Speaker 1: your nay it. If you don't have the right charges,
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Speaker 1: you've ruined your whole case, as we're hearing right here.
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Speaker 1: And it's important that we have laws like in Florida
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Speaker 1: we have ten twenty life if you discharge a firearm
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Speaker 1: and you strike somebody. It's a life felony, mandatory life,
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Speaker 1: so it gets even the discretion away from the prosecutors
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Speaker 1: because of the heinous nature of gun crimes in this
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Speaker 1: country over the last fifty years. You're so right, Depietro
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Speaker 1: back to you, Daryl Sinquanta, author of The Blue Chameleon,
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Speaker 1: Darryl So he gets the measly fourteen years on that,
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Speaker 1: I'll probably be out in seven. But somehow he lands
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Speaker 1: at the State Hospital. How did he get there? Well,
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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy four, he and another inmate were transferred
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Speaker 1: there to have a minor operation. I don't know what
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Speaker 1: the operation was the way I got it, and I
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Speaker 1: guessed that he arrived there. Now I understand he went
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Speaker 1: in the bathroom. He was he met, He was meant
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Speaker 1: playing a accomplice somewhere, and he got access to guns.
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Speaker 1: So he's armed. He's got an accomplice. They got a
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Speaker 1: getaway vehicle. And my understanding was he took a hostage
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Speaker 1: and on the FBI flyer says he took a hostage,
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Speaker 1: so off they go. I mean, this was a well
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Speaker 1: planned I can't believe. Well, that's a second escape. Remember
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Speaker 1: when I met him, he was an escape pie from Solidad.
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Speaker 1: Why was he Solidad? Do you know? I think burglary, narcotics,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not positive on that, but I understand he
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Speaker 1: so he was an escape page when he shot you.
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Speaker 1: He managed to maneuver away to escape a Mexican jail.
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Speaker 1: Get to Denver. I bet you anything. He faked the
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Speaker 1: whole illness. But he ends up in the state facility
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Speaker 1: for a minor surgery, and he has it planned down
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Speaker 1: to the minute details. He hasn't a waiting in the
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Speaker 1: bathroom with a gun. Gets out. Now. Before you think
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Speaker 1: this never happens, take a listen to our cut ten
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Speaker 1: nine news. Denver Bundy jumped out of this second story
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Speaker 1: window at the front of the Pitkin County Courthouse this morning.
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Speaker 1: He was scheduled for a court appearance and apparently had
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Speaker 1: been locked into the law library by Sheriff's deputies while
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Speaker 1: attorneys were arguing emotion to strike the death penalty. Witnesses
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Speaker 1: say he left in a hurry. However, nobody saw him
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Speaker 1: open the window, and he escaped clean in an unknown direction.
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Speaker 1: At both ends of town. The Sheriff's department put up
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Speaker 1: roadblocks and searched each vehicle leaving the town of Aspen.
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Speaker 1: As of late this afternoon, Bundy was still missing, but
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Speaker 1: a court clerk said they'd arrested nine people on warrants
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Speaker 1: had confiscated the two hundred pounds of marijuana. All day long,
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff Dick Keynos, who has been circling over the
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Speaker 1: wooded hills and a helicopter looking for the suspected rapist killer,
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Speaker 1: but with no success. Even Bundy escaped from of all places,
22:02
Speaker 1: the Cornhouse. Bundy ted Bunny, and I'd like to point
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Speaker 1: out it's in Denver again. Denver takes another black eye.
22:10
Speaker 1: Take listen our friends at ABC twenty twenty. He was
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Speaker 1: assisting in his own defense, so he had a right
22:15
Speaker 1: to go use the Lal Library. This is an old,
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Speaker 1: old courthouse and the LAL Library was up on the
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Speaker 1: top floor. The judge decreed that he didn't have to
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Speaker 1: wear shackles or so he walked about the courtrooman back
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Speaker 1: into the Lal Library as a freeman. Over the months,
22:31
Speaker 1: I had noted the number of opportunities to just walk
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Speaker 1: right out. It's got a great deal about a step,
22:37
Speaker 1: and I didn't know if I had the guts to
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Speaker 1: do it right. Frankly, there's a picture of him coming
22:44
Speaker 1: into the building that morning and he's got a really
22:48
Speaker 1: concentrated look on his face. He had dressed with an
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Speaker 1: extra layer, or he had a sweater under the one
22:53
Speaker 1: he was wearing on the outside, so he was planning
22:55
Speaker 1: to go that day. The guard win tied. The guy
22:58
Speaker 1: was broke. I take time to be locked up, really.
23:09
Speaker 1: I wonder how all his female victims feel about being
23:12
Speaker 1: locked up in a coffin. Bundy escapes not once, but
23:16
Speaker 1: just like this guy, Luis Arcoletta twice. He then escapes
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Speaker 1: from the jail. And that was a really good point
23:24
Speaker 1: we heard there, Daryl Sequanta, author of The Blue Chameleon,
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Speaker 1: Because just like Bundy in the courthouse, in the law library,
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Speaker 1: you're sheeter. Luise Arcoletta was not shackled and bound in
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Speaker 1: the infirmary in the hospital. Think about it. I understood
23:43
Speaker 1: that he's just arrived. He just got there when they escaped.
23:47
Speaker 1: So it's a fake, a fake um surgery all around.
23:51
Speaker 1: When did you, yeah, when did you hear he escaped?
23:56
Speaker 1: One day? When did you find out your sheeter escaped? Yeah? Probably,
24:02
Speaker 1: I would say the same day. I am I have
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Speaker 1: a really good relationship with corrections and stuff. I was
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Speaker 1: notified immediately and we started covering all the known addresses,
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Speaker 1: family friends, all that stuff. And I don't think he
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Speaker 1: went near Denver. I think he was gone, long gone.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now, Lady News anchor Orlando Morning News w DBO,
24:25
Speaker 1: Ray Kiputo. So this guy gets away, any an idea
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Speaker 1: how he did it? Where he went? Ray Caputo? Well, Nancy,
24:32
Speaker 1: we know that he ends up making his way, you know,
24:35
Speaker 1: not too far away, to a place called Espaniel in
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Speaker 1: New Mexico. It's in the northwestern part of the state,
24:40
Speaker 1: like a little bit north of Alburquerque. And it's a
24:42
Speaker 1: small city, just over ten thousand people. Pretty very pretty there,
24:46
Speaker 1: blue skies and mountains, and the biggest distinction of this
24:49
Speaker 1: place is it's not far from most almost It's a
24:52
Speaker 1: very quiet place to disappear to and disappear he did
24:59
Speaker 1: to Darryl sin Qua, to Arthur of Blew Chameleon, the
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Speaker 1: cop that lived and survived a gunshot wound. Darrel, when
25:08
Speaker 1: you realized he had escaped, how how badly did you
25:13
Speaker 1: want to find him? And did you ever give up
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Speaker 1: in the hope of you would find him? No, I
25:18
Speaker 1: never gave up, but I gotta tell you, all the
25:22
Speaker 1: years I've been looking for him, I only had one lead,
25:26
Speaker 1: and I was in San Jose, California, And what was
25:30
Speaker 1: the lead. The lead was that he was at a
25:34
Speaker 1: cartment building there and we sent the police there and
25:38
Speaker 1: we had missed him in somebody in that complex idead
25:41
Speaker 1: the picture and said that was him. But he was gone.
25:45
Speaker 1: Now from that point on, I never got one solid
25:50
Speaker 1: lead out of all the inquiries I made the past
25:53
Speaker 1: forty some years until June. Hey to you, Karen start
25:59
Speaker 1: slog just joining me out of Manhattan at karens dot com.
26:03
Speaker 1: Karen with a See Karen, what is it in the
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Speaker 1: human psyche that makes you or some people never give up?
26:13
Speaker 1: Some people give up immediately, but others never give up
26:17
Speaker 1: on their quest. What is that that hope, that belief
26:20
Speaker 1: that you will succeed? Well, if you think about it, Nancy,
26:25
Speaker 1: it's a kind of story that you hear all the time.
26:28
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of you know the popular TV show The Fugitives,
26:32
Speaker 1: and they move, you know where there's a police an
26:36
Speaker 1: officer who has to get that person. They are just
26:40
Speaker 1: driven to get revenge, to make sure that the person
26:46
Speaker 1: is punished, and that becomes their life quests in a way.
26:50
Speaker 1: You know, David D. Pietro, I don't know that I'd
26:53
Speaker 1: call it revenge. That's an ugly word. I would think
26:56
Speaker 1: you call it seeking justice. How does that that go
26:59
Speaker 1: down a little bit? Yeah, and in solving crimes right
27:02
Speaker 1: and making sure that people serve the time that they
27:05
Speaker 1: for the crimes that they've committed. So I think this
27:08
Speaker 1: is a natural human way of believing that we deal
27:11
Speaker 1: with things in a democracy where we where we have
27:15
Speaker 1: a criminal justice system for sure. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys,
27:32
Speaker 1: we are talking about a common that never gave up
27:34
Speaker 1: after being shot as a rookie. Can't believe it when
27:38
Speaker 1: the purp actually escape and goes on the run, hiding
27:41
Speaker 1: out over forty years, seemingly disappearing, blending in just vanishing
27:49
Speaker 1: into thin air. Take a listen now to our friend
27:54
Speaker 1: Jerry Hahola KUSA nine. Darryl sin Quanto was a up
28:00
Speaker 1: in Denver when this escaped California convicts shot him in
28:03
Speaker 1: the stomach in nineteen seventy one. The timeline of events
28:07
Speaker 1: is a bit complicated, but in short, the shooter, Lawrence
28:10
Speaker 1: Pussa Terry, was convicted of the crime, but escaped again
28:14
Speaker 1: from Colorado forty six years ago, and since then, Darrel
28:18
Speaker 1: has been trying to find him. During that time, Daryl
28:21
Speaker 1: retired from the police department and started his own private
28:24
Speaker 1: investigation firm, but he never stopped making phone calls and
28:28
Speaker 1: doing door knocks in hopes of tracking down the man
28:31
Speaker 1: who shot him. Wow, take a listen one more time
28:34
Speaker 1: to Jeremy Hala Kusa nine knees forty six years later.
28:40
Speaker 1: Now to clear believe, I get a phone call. Well,
28:43
Speaker 1: this person gives me his address is alias and other
28:48
Speaker 1: facts that you meant nothing at the time. Darryl finds
28:51
Speaker 1: a man named Ramon Montoya living in Espanola, New Mexico
28:55
Speaker 1: for the past forty years. He found a drunk driving
28:59
Speaker 1: case on his occurred and a mug shot. Daryl was
29:02
Speaker 1: convinced it was the guy he's been looking for. Espanila
29:06
Speaker 1: police and the FBI got involved and confirmed Lawrence Pussa
29:10
Speaker 1: Terry was living a lie. His tattoos matched up and
29:14
Speaker 1: they surrounded it with a SWAT unit and they went
29:18
Speaker 1: in and got him. I'm reveling in the fact that
29:21
Speaker 1: I got him and they're going to extra drite him
29:24
Speaker 1: back and I'm going to try to see him. I
29:26
Speaker 1: would love to sit down and talk to him. So
29:29
Speaker 1: he may or may not talk to me. Who knows?
29:31
Speaker 1: And with me? That cop, the cop who lived back
29:35
Speaker 1: to you darrells the Quanta author of The Blue Chameleon,
29:38
Speaker 1: Ramon Montoya tell me about getting that phone call. How
29:43
Speaker 1: did that happen the case that the call that cried
29:45
Speaker 1: the case wide open? Well, I think it was due
29:49
Speaker 1: to years and years of rattling all their cages and
29:54
Speaker 1: going to informants, family members, bad guys. I mean, you know,
30:00
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that the person that called me
30:04
Speaker 1: I had talked to previously when I don't know, But
30:09
Speaker 1: when I got the call, it was interesting that this
30:12
Speaker 1: guy says, you know, I've been thinking about it, and
30:15
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you where the guy is. A
30:17
Speaker 1: shot him. So I immediately started writing, you know, he
30:22
Speaker 1: gives me this information, and I take that information and
30:26
Speaker 1: I turned it into a lot of information. Where were
30:29
Speaker 1: you when you got the call home? When you heard
30:34
Speaker 1: the voice, did you recognize it? No? No, I have
30:37
Speaker 1: no clue who the person was. Haven't you ever done
30:40
Speaker 1: Star sixty nine? For pete sake? It was blocked and
30:44
Speaker 1: I don't really care who it was. Why do I
30:46
Speaker 1: care to thank them? He gave me a gift. You're
30:51
Speaker 1: darn right, guys. Take a listen to our friend Matt
30:54
Speaker 1: Morrow at Box thirty one. Archiletto, who was wanted by
30:58
Speaker 1: the FBI, was on the run for decades, but it
31:01
Speaker 1: turns out he didn't run very far. He was hiding
31:04
Speaker 1: out here in Espanola, New Mexico, a small city about
31:07
Speaker 1: twenty five miles north of Santa Fe. Back in June,
31:10
Speaker 1: the FBI and Espanola police got a tip that the
31:13
Speaker 1: wanted fugitive was hiding in plain sight and arrested him
31:17
Speaker 1: Wednesday with plans to bring him back to Colorado. And
31:20
Speaker 1: that tip it came from former officer sin Quanta, who,
31:23
Speaker 1: more than forty years later, never gave up searching for
31:26
Speaker 1: the man who almost ended his career and life. So
31:30
Speaker 1: all of this begs the question, how did former officer
31:33
Speaker 1: Darylson Quanta find that the man who shot him was
31:35
Speaker 1: hiding out in New Mexico that he won't say all
31:39
Speaker 1: to protect a source. So is that true? Darryl Son Quanta?
31:43
Speaker 1: You still won't tell me who your source is because
31:46
Speaker 1: I find it very hard He didn't recognize it. You
31:50
Speaker 1: couldn't start sixty nine. It came out of the blue.
31:54
Speaker 1: You never tried to find them. M that's some that's
31:59
Speaker 1: some deep throw going on right there. That's what you
32:01
Speaker 1: call a confidential informant. I mean, very confidential. I'll tell
32:06
Speaker 1: you what I wouldn't have told him, or you or
32:09
Speaker 1: anybody if I knew, you know, I wouldn't put the
32:12
Speaker 1: person in that position. But you said the words were
32:17
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it, and I've decided I'm going
32:22
Speaker 1: to tell you where he is yep, which which means
32:27
Speaker 1: I think you're right. It is somebody at some point
32:30
Speaker 1: that you contacted. I believe it. I believe that. How
32:34
Speaker 1: would they know to contact you at that time? Were
32:36
Speaker 1: you already retired? Oh? Sure, yeah, I retired in nineteen ninety.
32:41
Speaker 1: So how would they find you and hook you back
32:45
Speaker 1: up with the guy that shot you and got away?
32:48
Speaker 1: How was the under the name Ramo Montoya living? What
32:51
Speaker 1: did he do for a living? Well? I didn't know
32:54
Speaker 1: at the time. I mean I can tell you what
32:57
Speaker 1: I did with the information, what I found, okay, very interesting.
33:01
Speaker 1: Tell me well, I took to name number one and
33:05
Speaker 1: I was in shock when I found a database entry,
33:09
Speaker 1: So that means he's in all databases and he has
33:12
Speaker 1: all these addresses. He has a phony date of birth,
33:15
Speaker 1: a social Security number, prior addresses in a database under
33:20
Speaker 1: Ramon Montoya. So that's interesting in itself. That means he's
33:26
Speaker 1: been at these places for some time under this alias.
33:29
Speaker 1: So when I found the twenty eleven Dwai, I pulled
33:35
Speaker 1: the mug shot and it was him. I mean I
33:38
Speaker 1: knew it was him. I could tell by the head shape.
33:40
Speaker 1: Now this guy has changed, obviously, but it was him. Yeah.
33:44
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the before and after shot, and you
33:47
Speaker 1: know that can trick a lot of people. David di Pietro,
33:50
Speaker 1: South Florida, former prosecutor now trial lawyer, because you look
33:54
Speaker 1: at the before and the after, and what strikes me
33:58
Speaker 1: he does have an odd shay head. Have you ever
34:01
Speaker 1: heard of air kuel Piro? David d Pietro. He's a
34:06
Speaker 1: sleuth in Acatha Christie novels, and she describes his head
34:09
Speaker 1: as being egg shaped. And his head is egg shaped
34:14
Speaker 1: with the tiny part on the top, but his nose
34:18
Speaker 1: to me, and the shape of his mouth and those
34:21
Speaker 1: piercing brown eyes, and the shape of how his eyebrows
34:25
Speaker 1: just go suddenly down at the edges. They go down,
34:28
Speaker 1: and then they taken a shot forty years progression, David DiPietro.
34:32
Speaker 1: Sometimes that can mess up an eyewitness when age, when
34:36
Speaker 1: time has passed. I don't think you forget the person
34:39
Speaker 1: that show, even forty years later. But the tattoos don't
34:42
Speaker 1: ever go away. Oh yeah, let's talk about the tattoos.
34:46
Speaker 1: Good point, d Pietro. What were the tattoos? Do you know,
34:50
Speaker 1: Ray Kapoodo, what were the tattoos? Apparently he had a
34:53
Speaker 1: softer side, Nancy. He had le gloria tattooed on one
34:56
Speaker 1: of his arms. On the other he had like a
34:58
Speaker 1: woman's face and a butterfly. They had a rosary. But
35:01
Speaker 1: they were very distinctive tattoos, you know. So it does
35:04
Speaker 1: make me wonder why it's just based on his tattoos.
35:07
Speaker 1: He wasn't more recognizable through the years. Okay, wait a minute,
35:10
Speaker 1: what is this true, deary Quante? He had a butterfly tattoo? Yeah,
35:14
Speaker 1: he did what else? Well, he just just described him,
35:18
Speaker 1: you know, um gloria. You know, the gloria was on
35:21
Speaker 1: a face I believe was Zana's upper right arm. And
35:25
Speaker 1: it said gloria on a face of a female and
35:28
Speaker 1: below that I think is where the butterfly is. But
35:31
Speaker 1: he had four distinctive tattoos. But you know, guys like
35:37
Speaker 1: him or were a Lonsley shirt the rest of his
35:39
Speaker 1: life done to show the tattoos. I'm sure he knew
35:42
Speaker 1: he was on America's Most Wanted and they showed all
35:45
Speaker 1: his tattoos. Does anybody know how he was living under
35:51
Speaker 1: under the radar? What did he do for a living?
35:53
Speaker 1: I do what tell me? I mean, I I suspect
35:56
Speaker 1: and here's why, Um that d w I arrest. They
36:01
Speaker 1: booked him, and they fingerprinted him. And when we not
36:05
Speaker 1: only me, but the FBI, n Espanola Police Abraham Bacca
36:12
Speaker 1: went to retrieve those um fingerprints, they're gone. Okay to me,
36:19
Speaker 1: that means he has somebody helping him. So he not
36:23
Speaker 1: only had somebody helping him in the police department, but
36:26
Speaker 1: also in DMV because he had a driver's license under
36:30
Speaker 1: the funny name of course. Yeah, because under the fingerprint database,
36:35
Speaker 1: as soon as he got booked, that should have popped
36:37
Speaker 1: up immediately that he was should have gone to the
36:41
Speaker 1: FBI for comparison. And I don't know how they do
36:43
Speaker 1: it today, but we always sent the card, sent the
36:46
Speaker 1: arrest to the FBI, and they would check the person
36:49
Speaker 1: to see if it's phony. And he's actually wandered under
36:52
Speaker 1: another identity based on the fingerprints. Lewis Luise Archila aka
36:58
Speaker 1: Lawrence Pussy aka Ramomtorya now behind bars. So, sinquanta, have
37:06
Speaker 1: you ever gotten to sit down and talk to him? No? No,
37:09
Speaker 1: I think he's back in Colorado. I haven't verified it yet.
37:13
Speaker 1: Why do you want to talk to him? What do
37:14
Speaker 1: you want to say? Oh? The first thing I would
37:17
Speaker 1: say to him, I would congratulate him for staying hidden
37:20
Speaker 1: this long. I mean, that's a feat And I think
37:24
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I would say to him. Why not.
37:26
Speaker 1: I love talking to criminals and there's a policeman. I
37:29
Speaker 1: talked to him all the time, and you learn, well,
37:32
Speaker 1: not all of them have shot you in the gut
37:34
Speaker 1: or wherever he shot you. That's true. And let me
37:37
Speaker 1: say this now, this wasn't a revenge deal. Okay, I
37:40
Speaker 1: took it personal, but this was cops and robbers and
37:45
Speaker 1: gave you know me something to work on on the
37:48
Speaker 1: side all these years. Try to find him. What's the
37:51
Speaker 1: name of your PI company, Professional Investigators, Professional Investigators, Inc.
37:57
Speaker 1: Well Darrel sin Quanta, And I mean easy to find,
38:00
Speaker 1: by the way, So this person had called me wouldn't
38:03
Speaker 1: have a hard time to get my phone number. And
38:05
Speaker 1: I've had the same phone number since nineteen seventy so
38:10
Speaker 1: I'm not hard to find, you know what, Darryl. I'm
38:13
Speaker 1: always reporting on murderer and child molestation. And i gotta
38:18
Speaker 1: tell you something. I'm so happy to talk to you
38:21
Speaker 1: and that we have just for today a happy ending.
38:28
Speaker 1: God bless you, it is a happy ending. Nancy Grace
38:33
Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,