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Academy Award Special: With Nathan Shuherk (Schizophrenicreads) · Left of the Projector

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  Track 2: And there's times that like you know like when
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  Track 2: we did um like when we did
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  Track 2: eddington like we just like literally just like we're like uh let's just record
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  Track 2: an episode it was like the middle of the day we were both like had nothing going
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  Track 2: i was like fuck it let's it's like you can't just like call up you know like
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  Track 2: a random like you know it's like heart like guests wise it's like you have to
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  Track 2: like schedule something it's like the two of us it's just like oh let's just do this.
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  Track 3: I need to go back listen to your eddington episode
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  Track 3: because i i have been like cautiously hesitant
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  Track 3: to consume any eddington media because i i'm
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  Track 3: like obsessed with that movie i love it but i don't i don't want to
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  Track 3: be like i don't also want to have the conversations of
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  Track 3: other people i'm like this is a movie that i feel like the isolation of my own
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  Track 3: brain is exactly what ari aster intended and so i can't i can't allow myself
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  Track 3: to like even talk about it online like i've barely i've barely told anyone that
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  Track 3: i love that movie and it's just like i don't want the world being part of this
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  Track 3: affair that i'm having with this movie i.
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  Track 1: Both liked it like liked aspects of it but then i also didn't like aspect i
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  Track 1: mean the big yeah if you could if you could take one takeaway for our our thoughts
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  Track 1: on it was that the movie was ahead of its time like it.
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  Track 3: Oh yeah like.
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  Track 1: That was real like i feel like if that movie came out in 15 years it would be
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  Track 1: like a could be a blockbuster like it could have made you know i.
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  Track 3: Also, if you've spent any time
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  Track 3: on threads, it's become just this toxic cesspool of takes about media.
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  Track 3: It's mind-numbing how bad every discussion about media is, and everything has
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  Track 3: been centered around one battle after another and sinners, and literally no
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  Track 3: one talks about Eddington, and it's my favorite thing.
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  Track 3: You guys cannot handle the Eddington conversation. If you are losing your mind
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  Track 3: over sinners in one battle after another, I think you'd kill yourself.
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  Track 3: I don't think you're capable of constructing a thought about this movie.
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  Track 2: I deleted threads before I deleted Instagram because threads,
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  Track 2: the conversation, it was so, everything on that app is so fucking toxic.
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  Track 2: Every political opinion is, every political opinion is just like,
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  Track 2: vote harder for the Democrats.
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  Track 2: And how like everybody that didn't vote for
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  Track 2: harris is a racist who wanted trump to win and i'm just like this is the worst
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  Track 2: thing like this i hate this this is terrible and so i deleted that and like
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  Track 2: a month later i was like evan i'm deleting instagram i'm done i'm fucking done i.
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  Track 1: Haven't deleted my accounts i just don't have them on my phone which also does.
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  Track 2: Help yeah i didn't delete my accounts also it's like hard to delete your accounts
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  Track 2: but like i deleted it off my phone and i'm i've i think i've looked at on the
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  Track 2: computer like once since then like i is.
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  Track 3: This a movie podcast when we're admitting like maybe we're happier watching
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  Track 3: movies than being on social media i.
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  Track 2: Mean i i don't work in i don't work in a job that lets me like look at a computer
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  Track 2: so like i'm fucking i'm isolated i'm i'm shoulder deep in a fish tank i can't
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  Track 2: be looking at computers i just send you screenshots.
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  Track 1: Of the most asinine takes you've ever seen in your life on threads.
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  Track 2: Yes yeah that's how yeah that's how i learned about what's happening on threads
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  Track 2: i've been sending screenshots and i'm like oh yeah okay there's still morons
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  Track 2: okay good i'm i'm not missing anything.
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  Track 3: I had like a semi-viral threads after the Golden Globe.
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  Track 3: I just posted something like people were losing their minds that one battle
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  Track 3: after another won Best Dramatic Picture.
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  Track 3: And people were like, how could that win over Sinners? And I just like all I
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  Track 3: posted on threads was like, guys, they're different categories.
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  Track 3: Like Sinners can't, Sinners wasn't going to win in a category it wasn't nominated in.
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  Track 3: So like maybe let's actually be mad about something else for a change.
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  Track 3: And i received i i think like 30 40 messages or 30 40 replies telling me that
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  Track 3: i was like a virulent racist and like should be off the internet and i was like i like i'm the.
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  Track 1: Funny thing is i posted the my my ranking of the picture nominees and i got
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  Track 1: people like paul thomas anderson fan being like i'm actually projecting my thoughts
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  Track 1: about the movie and all these things like i just posted my list man if you don't
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  Track 1: agree it's fine you know i'm i don't i don't care i you know.
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  Track 3: Yeah we need that the the threads thing where you can like sparkle out the thing
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  Track 3: as like the spoiler thing we just need that automatically for every reply like
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  Track 3: i should i should have to choose to see people responding to me because i'm
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  Track 3: i'm gonna choose not i'm not gonna i'm not gonna look at a goddamn reply to anything i say.
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  Track 2: That's but that's just called not being on threads.
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  Track 3: Yeah that's true sit.
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  Track 4: Back in your seats get something to eat watch this movie don't like the Kinesian
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  Track 4: one because, well, we'll let you hear the video.
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  Track 4: Thank you.
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  Track 1: Hello, and welcome to Left of the Projector. I'm your host, Evan,
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  Track 1: on left of the jector we have a bit of a
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  Track 1: different sort of program if you may remember i think a couple
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  Track 1: of years ago maybe in 2023 nathan from
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  Track 1: schizophrenic reads you may know from book talk
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  Track 1: and book i'll let him tell you more about that
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  Track 1: we did a oscar show kind of going through our
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  Track 1: predictions for what we thought we're going to win a
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  Track 1: couple of years ago but this year we're going to do it slightly different we're going
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  Track 1: to go through our snubs and then we're going to talk about the films one at
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  Track 1: a time based on nathan's order in reverse the 10th ranked to the first my co-host
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  Track 1: or one of my co-host bill is here today and then of course nathan and you can
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  Track 1: should tell everyone about your stuff uh.
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  Track 3: Yeah my name is nathan i go by schizophrenic reads on uh the internet i mostly
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  Track 3: review non-fiction books and give a lot of you know, recommendations on climate
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  Track 3: change and politics and memoirs and stuff like that.
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  Track 3: But I have been just obsessively watching movies. And so I got to see all of
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  Track 3: the best pictures from this year and a lot more. So I was just I was looking
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  Track 3: for conversations about movies instead of books for once. So here we are.
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  Track 2: You got to shake it up. You got to shake things up sometimes.
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  Track 3: Yeah.
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  Track 1: Yeah, it's a little more, a little more like maybe free flowing,
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  Track 1: but yeah, do you want to lead off Nathan with your snub?
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  Track 1: So I think we all picked two or three films that we, that got no awards this
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  Track 1: year that, you know, if, if we were running the Oscars, we would.
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  Track 2: Nobody, none of these, none of these movies got awards. It's just me being,
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  Track 2: I'm just me being, I'm just, I'm just joking, you know, I'm just saying,
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  Track 2: cause you know, none of them got noms.
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  Track 3: And for these, I don't know that, like, you'll hear it from my first two,
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  Track 3: but I don't even know that I would say that I necessarily want them to be,
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  Track 3: you know, Best Picture nominations, but just in some category,
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  Track 3: I would love to see some awards thrown at them.
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  Track 3: My first one is going to be Eddington, which was maybe one of my favorite movies of last year.
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  Track 3: I thought it was just a phenomenally weird and wild ride that I have been like
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  Track 3: obsessively thinking about for the last six months, but also like not talking
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  Track 3: to people in real life because it's just, it's a hard movie to talk about.
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  Track 3: And I just I can't get this one out of my head. It's just one of those movies
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  Track 3: that has stayed with me for a long time.
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  Track 3: And, you know, if it was I could have seen it getting a Best Picture nomination,
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  Track 3: but also maybe just even like a casting or some type of set design because it's
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  Track 3: a really beautiful and strange movie.
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  Track 3: And then my second honorable mention, which I would have loved to see for set
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  Track 3: design specifically, because I just think it's like one of these most fascinating, like,
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  Track 3: portraits of a small town environment was Ephus, which is a movie about baseball
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  Track 3: that I think is like a really delightfully odd experience of a movie because it's...
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  Track 3: It almost seems improvisational, and it might have been fairly improvisational.
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  Track 3: I'm not exactly sure how it was produced.
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  Track 3: But it's just small-town guys loving baseball, playing in an adult rec league
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  Track 3: that baseball kind of means nothing for them. But at the same time, it means everything.
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  Track 3: And for me, it was kind of this spiritual American tale that I think in the
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  Track 3: degrading society that we're all living in, I thought it just really spoke to
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  Track 3: just what I think so many of us feel like we're experiencing out in society.
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  Track 3: And so, yeah, I thought it was a lovely, wonderful, strange little movie.
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  Track 1: Yeah, we have a crossover then. So my two picks that I would have liked to see,
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  Track 1: maybe even if it's not even an Oscar nomination, just getting like more...
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  Track 1: More people to have seen it was also Ephus. As not even a baseball player myself,
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  Track 1: I do like, I enjoy baseball as a sport.
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  Track 1: And it very much reminded me of like growing up playing baseball with your friends,
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  Track 1: like after school or something like that.
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  Track 1: And it just had like a lot of heart to it.
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  Track 1: And it really felt part of the reason for this final baseball game is that there's
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  Track 1: going to be a construction project that's going to tear down this field.
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  Track 1: So it also feels very relevant to just the decay of our pastimes and our things
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  Track 1: that we loved as maybe children that are just being destroyed by corporate greed and all of that.
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  Track 1: And then the second one is sort of both of the Predator movies that came out,
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  Track 1: but I actually think I enjoyed the animated one.
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  Track 1: The Killer of Killer is Anthology, which was three different sort of short films,
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  Track 1: kind of all in the Predator universe.
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  Track 1: I just love any Predator film in general, And it was just, it was good to see
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  Track 1: it in sort of this nice animated version.
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  Track 1: So, I don't know. I couldn't see that. I mean, that could have been an animated
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  Track 1: film. I don't know. It's probably not deserving of an Oscar, but.
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  Track 2: So, I literally had to ask what Ephus is.
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  Track 2: I was like, what the hell is Ephus? I, like, literally texted Evan.
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  Track 2: I was like, what the hell is Ephus? I think it made.
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  Track 3: Like, $2 million total. Yeah. No one has seen this movie.
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  Track 2: I've never heard it. And like, uh, Evan goes, it's a baseball film.
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  Track 2: I was like, oh, nevermind.
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  Track 2: Uh, as a person that despises sports and despises baseball in particular,
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  Track 2: I was like, oh, okay, nevermind moving on.
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  Track 2: Um, not to say that's a bad movie. It was just like this, like total,
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  Track 2: I had no idea. This was, I had no idea. It's anywhere.
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  Track 2: Um, so my, uh, my choices, my big one is Mickey 17. I feel like the fact that
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  Track 2: Mickey 17 didn't get anything is a travesty.
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  Track 2: Um, Pattinson is, he's an amazing actor. I love Robert Pattinson and.
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  Track 2: This was, I, this movie, this, it stood out to me and I had been looking forward to it.
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  Track 2: I think it was just an awesome, just like idea, the whole, like everything about
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  Track 2: it is a very original, awesome movie with a lot of like great subtext that again,
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  Track 2: explores the kind of like, you know, labor exploitation and so on and so forth.
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  Track 2: Um, I also do think that Knives Out,
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  Track 2: uh, Wake Up Dead Man, I do think that like the acting, I don't think like,
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  Track 2: you know, a best picture nom, but like, I do think that some of the roles,
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  Track 2: especially the lead role from the priest, like that he, he killed it.
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  Track 2: Like he probably deserved something for that.
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  Track 2: Um, and I think that killer of killers, 100% if Elio and Zootopia too,
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  Track 2: can get fucking Oscar noms than killer of killers can.
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  Track 2: Like, as an animation fan, this is, like, the animation style, gorgeous.
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  Track 2: Absolutely gorgeous animation, and not run-of-the-mill, same Disney slop,
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  Track 2: the same animation style.
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  Track 2: And as much as I love Studio Ghibli and I absolutely love Studio Ghibli and Miyazaki,
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  Track 2: the animation style of Studio Ghibli has been so co-opted and spread as to like
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  Track 2: almost dilute it in a lot of ways.
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  Track 2: And this stood out. It's its own animation style and it has distinct stories
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  Track 2: with characters characters.
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  Track 2: You know and they're in you know like the first two if you guys like they're
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  Track 2: not it's not english it's great i i think killer of killers deserves an anime
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  Track 2: an animation nod definitely especially given.
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  Track 3: The field um yeah let's
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  Track 3: uh let's get into the uh the
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  Track 3: best picture nomination so we're just going to be taking these in
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  Track 3: the just a descending order of of you know
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  Track 3: the of we're going to be talking about all the nominations and just
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  Track 3: kind of my favorites of them uh you know
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  Track 3: when we were talking about like organizing this one it wasn't sure like
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  Track 3: you know do we all make lists and then all compare lists and
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  Track 3: you know it's it's hard to like organize it so hopefully this will be just
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  Track 3: the easiest way to follow for the audience um but
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  Track 3: coming in at number 10 which i think a lot of people
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  Track 3: are going to disagree with and probably a lot of people just disagree with
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  Track 3: all of these just in general uh that is how media
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  Track 3: discourse goes but uh i have number i have frankenstein
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  Track 3: as my 10th place and i think there's not
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  Track 3: a movie on this list that i dislike like i'm i'm fairly positive on basically
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  Track 3: everything here i just think frankenstein is it's a movie where it's so much
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  Track 3: more style over substance like i think it's aesthetically incredibly pleasing
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  Track 3: but that's kind of where a lot of the pleasure in watching it ends for me.
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  Track 3: I think it's hard, it's obviously so hard to adapt classic novels.
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  Track 3: You know, that was a thing that we've seen in years past as well.
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  Track 3: And I think Yiromo Datoro does an interesting job, but to me,
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  Track 3: it was just like, I didn't feel guilty about watching this one at home on Netflix.
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  Track 3: Like there, there was something beautiful about it, but at the end of the day, it was just like.
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  Track 3: And I was like, well, I watched that and I couldn't really feel a lot more because
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  Track 3: I think the characters themselves and the deepness to the emotions of the story
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  Track 3: and even the politics of the story are kind of just not on display.
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  Track 3: What is on display is Guillermo del Torre's styling.
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  Track 1: Yeah, it's interesting. For me, Frankenstein was around sort of the middle to
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  Track 1: bottom. I have it seventh.
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  Track 1: And I did see it in the theater with an opening two-minute intro by Guillermo del Toro.
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  Track 1: And so I feel like I was somehow – I liked it more initially because of just
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  Track 1: sort of the hype and sort of the crowd and everything.
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  Track 1: But as i look back on it i feel like i don't
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  Track 1: want to say it's forgettable but it definitely didn't
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  Track 1: like leave a deeply lasting impression as some
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  Track 1: of the other films like i'm still thinking about i'm not really thinking
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  Track 1: about the frankenstein movie anymore and
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  Track 1: i thought the sets were beautiful i wish mia goth had
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  Track 1: been in it more with another area i would say and like the acting was good and
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  Track 1: the sets were good but it just felt a little i hate to say empty but like a
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  Track 1: little bit like a little bit empty i don't know maybe that's where you're saying
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  Track 1: is like it's aesthetically it's good but maybe just kind of kind of going through
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  Track 1: the motions of trying to build the movie there.
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  Track 3: Is just a shallowness to it that i think i think
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  Track 3: frankincense is such a vivid novel and it stands out as just like us you know
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  Track 3: paramount example of good literature for you know for hundreds of years now
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  Track 3: and and i think it's just like i just wanted more from it and i just i don't
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  Track 3: you know what we said is you know it just isn't that memorable i think that's
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  Track 3: like the best thing to say about it.
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  Track 3: It's a fine watch. I don't think it's going to be... It's not going to upset
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  Track 3: people to watch it. It's definitely worth people's time, I suppose.
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  Track 3: If people just really enjoy watching movies, I think, yeah, go watch it. Definitely...
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  Track 3: Don't think it's like a a movie you should avoid by any measure but i just i think like,
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  Track 3: a lot of these other movies on this list are things that i think about like
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  Track 3: regularly since viewing them like either you know in some mostly positive ways
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  Track 3: and then in some negative ways but like i'm still like lingering over these
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  Track 3: uh other best pictures and frankenstein i'm just like yeah i watched it and
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  Track 3: in november and it was gone by you know a couple weeks later.
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  Track 2: Yeah i think i mean i did not have the opportunity
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  Track 2: to see frankenstein i mean opportunity i never got around to
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  Track 2: watching frankenstein and i love frankenstein the novel
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  Track 2: like fucking love that book and it's like a seminal
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  Track 2: work like in my like like his like
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  Track 2: my like brain um and like i think that maybe like it's just like it's like you
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  Track 2: can never you can't make things that measure up to those things and it's just
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  Track 2: like you it never gets to there and i also feel like as there's a certain aspect of like,
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  Track 2: directors fall in love with works and it's
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  Track 2: like listen we fall in love at works but then we don't
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  Track 2: have like the resources and like you know the time or like the privilege to
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  Track 2: be like i love this thing now everyone watch my version of it and it's like
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  Track 2: frankly like that doesn't need to it doesn't need to happen all the time like
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  Track 2: we don't all need to be subjected to everybody's like vision of the thing they love you know it's,
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  Track 2: And I love Guillermo del Toro, don't get me wrong, but, like,
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  Track 2: it doesn't have to happen all the time.
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  Track 2: We don't, this is, you know, this is back to my hot take of,
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  Track 2: we have enough movies, we don't need to make more movies.
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  Track 3: Well, I also think, like, Guillermo del Toro has such, like,
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  Track 3: a beautiful way of capturing things that, like, he could have picked another
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  Track 3: source material, like, something not as famous, or he could have, you know,
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  Track 3: picked an original script, you know, and I think, like, he's just much better
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  Track 3: suited towards something like that because,
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  Track 3: you know, you're really playing around with, like, something where,
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  Track 3: like, a lot of people have the the visualization of this movie cemented.
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  Track 2: In their brain.
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  Track 3: Because they wrote they read it when they were 12 and it has never left them
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  Track 3: because it's just that phenomenal of a story and i think.
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  Track 2: That's your.
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  Track 3: It's hard to compete with that.
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  Track 2: I mean even like if you look at like his second hellboy movie
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  Track 2: like hellboy is is an
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  Track 2: existing property but it's so like he was
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  Track 2: given such free reign and most people don't know like other than people like
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  Track 2: i like i'm a huge hellboy fan and it's like other than that but like then he
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  Track 2: took that second movie and he made it his own and it is vibrant and it is unique
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  Track 2: and it is so otherworldly but like you you know i would have much rather seen a hellboy.
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  Track 3: Three than a frankenstein.
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  Track 2: Yeah yeah.
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  Track 3: At number nine on the list we have probably what a lot of people just assume
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  Track 3: is like literally everyone's uh 10th is actually F1.
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  Track 3: I think for most people this just comes in like the last place just,
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  Track 3: you know, by and large, just how people
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  Track 3: make the list is you throw the big blockbuster at the bottom spot. But.
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  Track 3: I found a lot of enjoyment with F1. I think the cinematography is just something spectacular.
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  Track 3: Like, it is visually a stunning movie.
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  Track 3: And ultimately, like, it's just a fun time.
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  Track 3: It's one of those things that, like, you just kind of, like,
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  Track 3: you want to have a lot of skepticism for, like, big blockbuster media. I get it.
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  Track 3: But you still end up cheering at the end when he wins his race.
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  Track 3: Like, spoiler alert, you know, if you really thought it was going to go a different direction.
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  Track 3: You know, it's just, like, it is, it's just a fun time. And,
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  Track 3: time is going to give us something, like, really unique and beautiful to look at.
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  Track 3: And that's what I think, like, the technological aspect of this movie does a
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  Track 3: shining example of, like, what big blockbuster films can be and what,
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  Track 3: like, I think is the anti-Marvel in some sense.
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  Track 3: And I'm not saying, like, F1 is some, like, revolutionary movie,
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  Track 3: Like, I think it's great to have big blockbusters make a lot of money.
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  Track 3: It's good for cinema. It's good for audiences. It's good to get people out.
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  Track 3: And, yeah, I mean, say what you want about, like, Brad Pitt being a 60-year-old F1 driver.
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  Track 3: It is silly. But, like, yeah, so is fucking Tom Cruise flying a jet around,
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  Track 3: you know, some undisclosed country that we can't name as Iran.
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  Track 3: You know, like, it's just like, we're having a good time, and I'm happy to do that.
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  Track 1: I agree completely. I mean, I really...
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  Track 1: Cars, I'm not interested in cars in any way.
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  Track 1: This movie was great, and my biggest regret was not seeing it in IMAX.
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  Track 1: I remember going to see another movie at the time, and I saw the big poster
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  Track 1: coming in IMAX, and I'm like, oh yeah, I should go see that,
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  Track 1: it'd be fun, but it's a car movie, who cares?
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  Track 1: And I really wish I had seen it in IMAX, I bet it would have been awesome.
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  Track 1: And it's exactly the kind of movie I would have seen when I was like,
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  Track 1: you know, 15 or 16 and just been so hyped about.
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  Track 1: So i liked it i didn't actually
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  Track 1: put it that low although realistically as
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  Track 1: far as other ones i probably won't ever watch it again so it's near the bottom
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  Track 1: you know eight nine ten kind of for me but i enjoyed f1 even though brad pitt
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  Track 1: was old but whatever it had a good cast i mean i like carrie condon as well
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  Track 1: and it had um but javier bardham you know it was it was good i.
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  Track 2: Mean he He could play a 45-year-old, which is the oldest F1 Grand Prix driver.
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  Track 1: Yeah.
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  Track 2: He could play 45. Do we know he's 60 in the movie?
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  Track 3: No, I think, I think he's supposed to be like early fifties is kind of like.
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  Track 2: So yeah, so all right, all right, you know what, we'll give him fifties,
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  Track 2: we'll give him 50, we'll give, we'll, we'll give, you know, movie magic 50 F,
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  Track 2: you know, Grand Prix driver.
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  Track 2: I didn't watch this and I fucking hate cars.
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  Track 3: That's, I think that's like one of the wonderful things about this movie is
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  Track 3: like, you don't really have to, I mean, it's one of those sports movies that's
• 22:38
  Track 3: like not really totally.
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  Track 2: Oh, I have like a, it's like on the sports, you know, seated personal thing.
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  Track 2: I grew up in a car household, so it's very visceral for me.
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  Track 3: Yeah. At number eight on the list, we have Sentimental Value,
• 22:55
  Track 3: which I have someone in my life that described it as just like a European ennui.
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  Track 3: And that's really like what has like cemented this movie for me is like I watched
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  Track 3: it and I felt for like the next day or two, like, oh, this movie could like this movie could.
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  Track 3: Skyrocket up this list like at any moment i could have
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  Track 3: the revelation that like i was totally connecting
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  Track 3: the dots and yet i just kind of thought it
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  Track 3: was like a kind of a beautifully well done movie but
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  Track 3: like ultimately like did not last for
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  Track 3: me like i think the acting is really good the scripting is
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  Track 3: good the the set design is really gorgeous but in
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  Track 3: the end i think there's so many more emotions that
• 23:40
  Track 3: the rest of this list exhibits and and and
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  Track 3: our experiences for the audience that i don't
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  Track 3: know just spending two and a half hours being like kind of sad about the the
• 23:50
  Track 3: familial relationships in this movie just like didn't hit as as high as it did
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  Track 3: for other people so i don't think this is by any means a bad movie but i also
• 23:59
  Track 3: think it's like probably the one on this list that if anyone is looking at like,
• 24:05
  Track 3: For some reason, they would be like, I'll watch nine out of the 10, but not at the 10th.
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  Track 3: I would actually say like, yeah, probably skip Sentimental Value because I think
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  Track 3: it is a little bit of a slog of a movie.
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  Track 3: And sometimes that can be a good trait, but sometimes it can just like hit you
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  Track 3: over the head with sadness.
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  Track 3: And that's basically all the punches it's throwing, I think.
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  Track 1: I thought it was beautifully made. And I thought the, I liked that,
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  Track 1: you know, Stellan Skarsgård was really good.
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  Track 1: I thought the acting was really good. I don't think
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  Track 1: the story was I mean I enjoyed it
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  Track 1: but again like you said I didn't think about it
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  Track 1: really at all later it just sort of like left me as soon as the movie was over
• 24:45
  Track 1: and I know I feel like my joke review on Letterboxd is better than the movie
• 24:51
  Track 1: I just said what did Stellan Skarsgård sacrifice everything which is the line from Andor,
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  Track 1: it was fine like I think it,
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  Track 1: You know, I'll never see it again. It was the second to last one of the whole
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  Track 1: 10 that I saw. So I guess that says something.
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  Track 2: I did not see sentimental value. You know what? This is going to be my role
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  Track 2: in this episode where I talk about why I didn't see some of these movies.
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  Track 2: I don't care about said white people. I don't care about your stories anymore.
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  Track 2: I don't care. I don't want to hear your stories.
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  Track 2: I don't care about said European white people's stories. I don't care.
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  Track 2: I don't i don't want to watch that like that's why i did not want like like
• 25:38
  Track 2: okay sad white people i don't care i don't want to hear.
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  Track 3: I think that's like i think that's both like fair it's like i think sad europeans
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  Track 3: are both like more real and less real than like our american lives in some sense
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  Track 3: like it's both like a both and i think for me i don't want.
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  Track 2: To hear about said white americans either i don't like,
• 25:59
  Track 2: these guys have health care.
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  Track 1: At least you know like hey.
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  Track 3: Yeah right what.
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  Track 2: Do you guys have to complain about this is not exclusive to europeans either
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  Track 2: i don't i don't want to hear about said white american stories either i don't
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  Track 2: care i don't want to hear their stories i don't care about them.
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  Track 3: Well there's some there's some sad some sad
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  Track 3: white people stories in in the rest of this list that i think
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  Track 3: are genuinely so good where i just think sentimental value
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  Track 3: is it is what it is it's a fine movie
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  Track 3: there's nothing like technically about it that i'm gonna like disparage
• 26:30
  Track 3: but you know ultimately i i just i can't
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  Track 3: have much more like i can't really endorse it
• 26:36
  Track 3: but that's okay uh number seven
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  Track 3: i feel like is a movie that when it was released everyone said it was the greatest
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  Track 3: movie to ever exist and now literally everyone is like saying uh the star of
• 26:49
  Track 3: this film is maybe be the worst person to ever exist so it is really a phenomenal
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  Track 3: turnaround but yeah as you can guess number seven is marty supreme and.
• 26:59
  Track 3: It is very fun. It is chaotic. It is very edge of your seat.
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  Track 3: But it is also, I think, a movie that knows what it is so much that I think
• 27:11
  Track 3: is never able to like fully escape the kind of absurdity that it places itself in.
• 27:17
  Track 3: And so what you have is just this unlikable character that gets to run amok on screen.
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  Track 3: And that's it. I don't think we learn any larger lessons. I don't think we really
• 27:28
  Track 3: get to experience the wider world of this film.
• 27:32
  Track 3: It is so engulfed within the personality of Marty Supreme that I think it just
• 27:37
  Track 3: leaves a lot to be desired on the periphery.
• 27:41
  Track 3: Like I think a lot of the characters surrounding Marty are really one dimensional
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  Track 3: in some sense that I think he's given all the spotlight and then that is that
• 27:51
  Track 3: is the only place it's shining.
• 27:52
  Track 3: Everything else is out of focus for me. So, yeah, I think it's fun.
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  Track 3: I think it's well worth people's time as far as like people wanting to watch
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  Track 3: incredible performances.
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  Track 3: Sure. But I also just think like if you don't enjoy movies with like annoying
• 28:06
  Track 3: characters, you're going to fucking hate this one. So, like,
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  Track 3: this is not one that I'm, like, telling everyone, go watch this.
• 28:13
  Track 3: Like, it's like, you'll know you'll like it if you think you're going to like
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  Track 3: it. And if you think you're not going to like it, you're also 100% correct.
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  Track 3: So, go with this, you know, as you think.
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  Track 1: Yeah, I, when I came out of seeing it in the theater, I felt like,
• 28:30
  Track 1: yeah, like, that was really fun.
• 28:33
  Track 1: And I, before I saw it, I'm not, I was never a Timothy Chalamet fan.
• 28:37
  Track 1: I just really just don't like him.
• 28:38
  Track 1: And I feel like I've been proven right that he's just like an annoying doofus
• 28:43
  Track 1: more so now than before, but.
• 28:48
  Track 1: Then you have Gwyneth Paltrow, also not a good person, you know, goop.
• 28:53
  Track 1: And I think that the parts of the movie that were really interesting were sort
• 28:58
  Track 1: of the subtext with, like, Japan.
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  Track 1: And maybe if you view the movie as a satire, like, you could see it as being better.
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  Track 1: But I don't think that Josh Safdie succeeded in those aspects.
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  Track 1: I think you said, too, Nathan, like, the side characters and sort of the subtext,
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  Track 1: everything sort of revolves around Timothee Chalamet's character.
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  Track 1: That none of that actually gets to breathe any oxygen and that's kind of a shame
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  Track 1: and i will never watch it again even though i enjoyed it the first time i just
• 29:26
  Track 1: it keeps like getting lower in my you know my listing i put it at five but i
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  Track 1: feel like it could be seven yeah.
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  Track 3: I walked out of the theater being like wow what an experience and then literally
• 29:37
  Track 3: like a week later i was like yeah it was an experience.
• 29:40
  Track 1: Shrug like.
• 29:41
  Track 3: It just is fine.
• 29:42
  Track 2: So this is this is my take on this um well first of Well, I hate Timothee Chalamet.
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  Track 2: If I never see him in another movie again, I'll die happy.
• 29:51
  Track 2: Here's my take. If you want to watch something with unlikable people,
• 29:54
  Track 2: you got 17 seasons of It's Always Sunny or two seasons, Sleeper Hit, The Mick. There you go.
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  Track 2: You got hours of unlikable people and pure comedy. It's great.
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  Track 1: Well, you're not going to see Dune 3, Bill, even though Timothee Chalamet is going to be there?
• 30:11
  Track 2: He, yes, I'm going to see Dune 3, but that's because I love Dune.
• 30:15
  Track 2: That's not the same. How dare you call me out like that?
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  Track 2: I want to watch Timothee Chalamet turn into a worm.
• 30:26
  Track 1: I also, I don't like Dune, like movie Dune. I like book Dune,
• 30:29
  Track 1: but I will see Dune 3 because of course I'm going to see it.
• 30:33
  Track 2: Yeah, well, you hate this Dennis Villeneuve, and yet you watch all his movies.
• 30:38
  Track 3: This is like the beef between me and your podcast is Dene Villeneuve,
• 30:42
  Track 3: because he's maybe one of my favorite directors.
• 30:45
  Track 2: And look, I love him. Join the club, Nate. Join the club.
• 30:49
  Track 1: I know that I'm in the minority for that, and that could be a whole episode of my opinion on this.
• 30:55
  Track 1: I also didn't like the new Blade Runner. I hated it.
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  Track 2: One day we're going to fight him.
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  Track 1: I know. I get it. Sure. Everyone's pushing pause on the episode being like, this monster.
• 31:11
  Track 1: You know, it's just, whatever.
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  Track 2: Ward and I have threatened to gag Evan and then do our own episode on Blade
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  Track 2: Runner on numerous occasions.
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  Track 3: At number six on the list this is this is
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  Track 3: really the halfway kind of the the point
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  Track 3: in which i really do like endorse these movies like
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  Track 3: i think from here on out these are all movies that i think are well
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  Track 3: worth everyone's time like i think they all have something artistically or creatively
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  Track 3: done that i think is like we're in we're in the good we're in the good zone
• 31:48
  Track 3: um and number six is begonia which i think is a wildly fun time i also think
• 31:54
  Track 3: it's like maybe one of the best movies on this list to watch with another person
• 31:58
  Track 3: and just, like, have conversations.
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  Track 3: Like, I think it's just a fun movie. I think Yorgos Lanthimos,
• 32:05
  Track 3: to me, this was, like, his...
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  Track 3: Least weird movie which is kind of a negative for
• 32:10
  Track 3: me because what i wanted from this was for it
• 32:13
  Track 3: to get stranger because i ultimately thought
• 32:16
  Track 3: like while it is a strange like subject and stuff i thought
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  Track 3: it was like incredibly predictable like if
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  Track 3: you've watched his other films you kind of know the directions
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  Track 3: in which he might go and so when he ultimately did do
• 32:29
  Track 3: those things and i i want to try to avoid spoilers especially on
• 32:32
  Track 3: like a list episode but like i i just
• 32:35
  Track 3: i i i could have i could have stood for a
• 32:38
  Track 3: little bit stranger time but the the
• 32:42
  Track 3: i think the big snubs for me are probably the acting in this
• 32:45
  Track 3: movie just did not get the recognition that it deserves and i think
• 32:47
  Track 3: it was just a phenomenally fun weird chaotic
• 32:51
  Track 3: and also like mind-bending time
• 32:54
  Track 3: like like i said this is just a great movie to talk to friends about because
• 32:58
  Track 3: it is just everyone's going to have a really strong opinion of a lot of different
• 33:02
  Track 3: parts of this and that's what makes you know that's what makes like art house
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  Track 3: movies fun is like they build themselves up for conversations and for criticism
• 33:10
  Track 3: and begonia is perfectly set up for that i.
• 33:12
  Track 1: Also really like begonia i saw it in the theater and i actually just watched
• 33:16
  Track 1: it again either last night before because we're actually we're going to record
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  Track 1: an episode on just on begonia soon actually tomorrow uh tomorrow but i also
• 33:27
  Track 1: find i i really enjoyed it i also kind of agree with you that it's
• 33:31
  Track 1: the least weird of his films and maybe also is a negative.
• 33:36
  Track 1: I think of Killing of the Sacred Deer, The Favorite Lops. Those are really weird movies.
• 33:41
  Track 1: I actually enjoyed it maybe more than Poor Things, which I also enjoyed.
• 33:45
  Track 1: The only one of his movies I didn't like was Kind of Kindness.
• 33:49
  Track 1: Maybe I need to watch it again. I don't know.
• 33:51
  Track 1: I think we won't spoil the movie or spoil what we're going to maybe talk about
• 33:55
  Track 1: in our dedicated episode, but suffice to say, I think that the ending is could
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  Track 1: be viewed as dividing where other people liked or didn't like it.
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  Track 2: That's all yeah that's i'm really looking forward
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  Track 2: to our episode tomorrow uh recording our episode tomorrow about this
• 34:12
  Track 2: um i like just like i watched it
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  Track 2: like two days ago or like a day ago um and
• 34:18
  Track 2: no i mean plemons really good
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  Track 2: both plemons and stone like they definitely
• 34:25
  Track 2: got stopped in terms of like acting odds like definitely like 100 they both
• 34:29
  Track 2: deserve to be recognized i mean plemons it's almost on it's it's almost like
• 34:36
  Track 2: trite to be like oh well plums deserved a nod for like acting it's like oh really
• 34:39
  Track 2: plums plums deserve like no shit like is he an underrated like would.
• 34:44
  Track 1: You say he's like an underrated actor like he's been in some.
• 34:46
  Track 2: Movies he's an under he's an under nominated actor yeah he he is he does not
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  Track 2: get not unrecognized under he is not given the um,
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  Track 2: establishment recognition yeah that's a good way to say it like that he deserves
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  Track 2: because he is a phenomenal I think the public knows.
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  Track 3: He's phenomenal like.
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  Track 2: Everyone seems.
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  Track 3: To like agree that he's just.
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  Track 2: He's one of the best actors.
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  Track 3: Out there right now but like he's getting no nods from the.
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  Track 2: Academy or.
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  Track 3: From anything like that.
• 35:18
  Track 2: Nothing I don't I mean starting with like,
• 35:21
  Track 2: I mean, I don't know if it's his first, but, you know, the earliest things I
• 35:26
  Track 2: remember him from, Breaking Bad.
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  Track 2: And just, like, absolutely, I remember, like, the moment seeing him,
• 35:32
  Track 2: like, his character in Breaking Bad was fucking viscerally disconcerting.
• 35:37
  Track 2: And it was like, oh, that's, he is either an incredible actor or an actual sociopath.
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  Track 2: You know, and it's like.
• 35:46
  Track 1: Let me just throw this out there. This is the list of directors who've had him
• 35:50
  Track 1: in his movies. Martin Scorsese, twice.
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  Track 1: Steven Spielberg, Paul Thomas Anderson, Yorgos, twice.
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  Track 1: He was also, I think, in Shaka King's Judas and the Black Messiah,
• 36:04
  Track 1: although I can't remember who he plays in that. He's also in The Post,
• 36:07
  Track 1: another Steven Spielberg movie.
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  Track 1: I mean, these people aren't putting, these world-class directors aren't bringing
• 36:12
  Track 1: him into their movies because he's like some middling actor.
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  Track 3: He was the one redeemable part of Civil War. Yeah.
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  Track 2: He was nominated for
• 36:22
  Track 2: a golden globe two golden globes he was nominated for two
• 36:25
  Track 2: golden globes one for begonia um he's
• 36:28
  Track 2: been nominated three times in emmy and like this is the point okay he's been
• 36:32
  Track 2: nominated he has five wins 42 noms 42 five wins and it's like what the fuck
• 36:42
  Track 2: are you doing here people like come on like,
• 36:47
  Track 2: forgive if we're going to give a white man an award we should get jessica clemens
• 36:51
  Track 2: an award for acting i'm sorry that that's my hot take um,
• 36:55
  Track 2: And I also, like, we're going to talk about the ending because I did not like
• 37:03
  Track 2: the ending. I did not like the ending of this movie.
• 37:05
  Track 1: Don't say what the ending is.
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  Track 3: I love the ending, by the way.
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  Track 2: I'm not interested.
• 37:07
  Track 3: I want to say that. I know I'm not on that episode, but I want to say.
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  Track 1: Like, I love the ending.
• 37:12
  Track 2: Listen, it's not that I disliked the ending. It's, I have ideological issues with the ending.
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  Track 3: I can understand that. I think that's reasonable. So we'll go on to our number five pick.
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  Track 3: And this is where I think all the internet hate will come from for me.
• 37:30
  Track 2: Oh, I'm going to fight.
• 37:31
  Track 3: I'm going to fight you. At number five, we have Sinners. Like I said,
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  Track 3: at this point in the list, I really enjoyed Sinners.
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  Track 3: I do think for me, though, just because I feel like I need to say something
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  Track 3: negative about it because people are going to ask why it's not number one or
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  Track 3: two or something. You know, I just think...
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  Track 3: I wish there could have been more to it. I think specifically,
• 37:56
  Track 3: one of the things that caught me off guard so much was how much the visuals
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  Track 3: of this movie, I think, are almost there, but not quite.
• 38:05
  Track 3: I think Ryan Coogler uses a lot of shallow depth of field in his filming style,
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  Track 3: and I just wish we would have given a lot more visual attention to the entire
• 38:18
  Track 3: scenery of everything going on.
• 38:20
  Track 3: Like, I think there's a lot of kind of focus on the characters,
• 38:25
  Track 3: which I think are really well done.
• 38:26
  Track 3: But I think there's just so much beautifulness that's going on all around us,
• 38:31
  Track 3: which is like the opposite that we have in like its hallmark scene with like the music happening.
• 38:36
  Track 3: It's like, no, we are we are getting like every visual flavor possible.
• 38:40
  Track 3: And then I think in like the rest of the film, we have like ultimately an ending
• 38:44
  Track 3: where it's like it's dark out and it's hard to see,
• 38:46
  Track 3: which is just it's a really tough thing for me because I think I just
• 38:50
  Track 3: wanted a little bit more like visual stimulation
• 38:53
  Track 3: of this movie but it is really special the acting the writing the music in particular
• 38:59
  Track 3: the music is phenomenal um but yeah i think it's it's a really great time it's
• 39:04
  Track 3: also one of those things that like it's a great movie to throw on at a party
• 39:08
  Track 3: because a lot of people are gonna have a lot to talk about or if people just want to sit and watch,
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  Track 3: It's great. So I, um, yeah, I really love this one.
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  Track 1: Yeah. I, I have sinners as my number one, um, for the, for the nominations.
• 39:22
  Track 1: I also just, I saw it a few times in twice in IMAX and I've watched it once since then.
• 39:28
  Track 1: And it just, it's, um, it's much different to me than sort of your normal fare and not to,
• 39:36
  Track 1: I don't mean like the other 10 movies on the list just sort of it
• 39:39
  Track 1: felt like so different than most of the kind
• 39:42
  Track 1: of it's hard to believe that it came out of you know
• 39:46
  Track 1: a major studio like getting this movie made i
• 39:49
  Track 1: know that he had like you know some of the deals as part of it and
• 39:51
  Track 1: all of that but i just i found most of it visually beautiful the soundtrack
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  Track 1: i mean i hope it's been nominated for 16 or 17 the most ever and i i have this
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  Track 1: the nominations and then doesn't get an award or something or they like throw it you know,
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  Track 3: And then lose out on everything else or.
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  Track 1: Something right exactly yeah so I hope that it gets something good it.
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  Track 3: Is a weird film to be nominated 17 times but also not be the front runner in
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  Track 3: basically any category At least, like, how prediction markets and,
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  Track 3: Like, it's not really...
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  Track 3: It doesn't have the same height that a lot of these other films do uh which
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  Track 3: is very strange for the most nominated movie i've ever but although shalom is dropping in.
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  Track 1: The uh best actor because of him being.
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  Track 2: To me all right so like sinners is my number one sinners is my number one movie
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  Track 2: like for this and like most things um and to me like sinners literally like
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  Track 2: i'm like the rest of the list to me is just like oh this is why i don't actually
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  Track 2: respect or care about the Academy Awards.
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  Track 2: Oh, look, you've nominated 10 of the usual shit.
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  Track 2: It's just Academy Award winning. It's like the same stuff. It's stereotypical. It is like...
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  Track 2: It's rote. It's just like, make this stuff, we get an award. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.
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  Track 2: For the most part, the vast majority of these, like, I think Secret Agent,
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  Track 2: to me, you know, stands out.
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  Track 2: Begonia. But, like, the rest of them, like, to me, like, most,
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  Track 2: they all, like, none of these movies, I'm like, God, these are, like, these are movies.
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  Track 2: That's how, like, to me, like, Sinners, Sinners stands out.
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  Track 2: Sinners stands out as a movie that tells a story that needs to be told,
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  Track 2: that needed to be told, as opposed to most of these movies, which are telling
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  Track 2: the same fucking story that we have heard a thousand times.
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  Track 2: And I don't care about sad white people anymore.
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  Track 3: At number uh four on the list we
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  Track 3: have the secret agent which i just
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  Track 3: got to say this to get out of this out of way this is my favorite ending of
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  Track 3: a movie this year because a lot of these movies have like spectacular
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  Track 3: uh endings uh like you
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  Track 3: know they're they wrap up fairly well but this one
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  Track 3: i have like thought about every day like
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  Track 3: and and without getting into spoilers just like i think this movie leads you
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  Track 3: on a path that you don't know where you're going the entire time and then once
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  Track 3: you get to the final thing you're just like oh oh i i you know it's it's like
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  Track 3: it's hard to wrap your head around what you've been watching and how it concludes
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  Track 3: and so i do think it's just a.
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  Track 3: Wonderfully cinematic experience it's one of those things that like i think is,
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  Track 3: It's made for people that love movies. Like, it's one of those things that,
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  Track 3: like, if you just love going to sit in a theater for two plus hours and just
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  Track 3: be, like, enraptured by a story, it's one of those things that,
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  Track 3: like, it has you on the edge of your seat.
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  Track 3: And not always through, like, stereotypical forms of tension,
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  Track 3: not always through violence or anything, like, exciting, but through,
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  Track 3: like, just the sheerness of, like, not always knowing what you're watching,
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  Track 3: not always knowing what's happening.
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  Track 3: And I think a movie that's able to do that is something really, truly special.
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  Track 3: And also, it's just got some really great performances.
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  Track 3: I mean, from, you know, Wagner Mora, which is just like, he might be my favorite
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  Track 3: singular performance of the year.
• 43:46
  Track 3: But also, I don't, she didn't get nominated, but the landlady was one of the
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  Track 3: most memorable characters from this entire year for me. So I love The Secret Agent.
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  Track 3: It's obviously a movie not enough people have seen because it's a two and a
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  Track 3: half hour or two hours, 45 minute Brazilian film, but it's just,
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  Track 3: it's truly spectacular.
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  Track 1: It's honestly, I have this one as I think, I think I have this one as number two for the year.
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  Track 1: Again, I think criminally underwatched, partly, as you said,
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  Track 1: for the length and the kind of movie it is, you know, having subtitles and,
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  Track 1: you know, people sitting there on the couch on their phone aren't going to be
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  Track 1: able to follow along, unfortunately.
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  Track 1: But I thought it was spectacular.
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  Track 1: Like, I didn't know anything about it other than just like, oh,
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  Track 1: yeah, I need to, you know, see this because it's one of the nominated films.
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  Track 1: And I was just kind of blown away where I need to now read more about this period
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  Track 1: of time then because I don't really know much about, like, late 1970s Brazil,
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  Track 1: other than broad strokes.
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  Track 1: And so it really is a very...
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  Track 1: It was beautiful. Again, you said the ending. It kind of took you on a journey
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  Track 1: that you weren't expecting, even from, like, the opening scene.
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  Track 1: I just really had no idea what to expect from this. And, yeah.
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  Track 1: I honestly could see if Fagnamura won the best actor, I would be pretty happy.
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  Track 1: Even though Sinners would lose on a major, I would be like, yes, he deserved that.
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  Track 2: I think what you said, Evan, about how, like, how this made you,
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  Track 2: like, want to, like, read about, like, 1970s Brazil. So like,
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  Track 2: to me, like that's the hallmark of something, like that's the hallmark of a
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  Track 2: really powerful stories. Like we're like, it, it touches on a real life thing.
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  Track 2: And then like, you want to learn about that thing and you want to delve into that.
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  Track 2: And like, that's why, like, to me, this like stands out as opposed to like so
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  Track 2: many of the other options, like so many other options that it's like,
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  Track 2: it draws you in and you want to like learn and like delve into that.
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  Track 2: And that it broadens your horizons in ways that, you know,
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  Track 2: grand prix drives right drive well.
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  Track 1: And it's super pertinent no insults.
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  Track 2: To grand prix people you know.
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  Track 1: And it's super pertinent too like without getting too much
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  Track 1: into sort of like the plot and all that but you know it deals
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  Track 1: in the 1970s and you know who would
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  Track 1: have thought that would be still relevant in 2026 um uh
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  Track 1: probably everyone every marxist ever yeah um but yeah so it feels like very
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  Track 1: relevant and so yeah if you haven't seen this one of all the movies i know there's
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  Track 1: lots of other ones maybe i also really like i think people really should go see this without a doubt.
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  Track 3: Yeah it's it's certainly like i think it's just like the most under watched
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  Track 3: of this whole list like i i don't think i think even people
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  Track 3: that are like yeah i like watching you know i like watching new releases i
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  Track 3: think most people didn't even take the time to check on
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  Track 3: show times for this one and truly like people are missing
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  Track 3: out because it's phenomenal and you know like i
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  Track 3: i am a big supporter of theater i think it's you
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  Track 3: know if you can go see a movie in a theater if it's financially or
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  Track 3: or location wise accessible like yeah do
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  Track 3: that um however this one is as long as you're not on your phone like evan said
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  Track 3: like it's still going to be a special time like but if you are on your phone
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  Track 3: for a goddamn minute you will not understand literally anything that's happening
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  Track 3: so uh put that phone in another room please for god's sake.
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  Track 2: Unless you speak portuguese i mean.
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  Track 3: Yeah right there's.
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  Track 1: Like portuguese there's a few words in english but that's about it.
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  Track 3: Yeah um at number three on the list is hamnet and hamnet i think is one of those few times where,
• 47:32
  Track 3: You can, I think a lot of people would say, like, you're gunning for the Oscars.
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  Track 3: Like, you made a Oscars movie.
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  Track 3: Like, you're playing to the crowd kind of thing. And yeah, this one hits.
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  Track 3: Like, I know it's Shakespeare. I know it's all these types of things.
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  Track 3: But like, this made me want to go back and read Shakespeare.
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  Track 3: And like, as a book person, I've read Shakespeare a lot, but I still wanted
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  Track 3: to like go back and kind of like live in that world for a second,
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  Track 3: because I think it's just so beautiful to me. I think it probably dragged a little bit, honestly.
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  Track 3: Like, there are probably some visual callbacks and those types of things that
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  Track 3: I just don't think were, like, totally necessary.
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  Track 3: But at the end of the day, this was the only movie that I, like,
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  Track 3: hard cried to all year and just had, like, a serene, genuine emotional experience
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  Track 3: watching. And I was just so happy to have that in a movie.
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  Track 3: Like, it was a phenomenally, like, well-put-together film that I think just, like...
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  Track 3: I mean, I guess people are going to say it's saccharine and all those types
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  Track 3: of things, but, like, sorry, sometimes it works.
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  Track 3: Sometimes, you know, they play on the nature of daylight, and it actually does
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  Track 3: elicit the emotions that it was intending to do.
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  Track 3: And, like, the movie ultimately, like, succeeds at what it sets out to do.
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  Track 3: And I think for some people that's so frustrating that they have to,
• 48:47
  Track 3: like, you know, throw the baby out with the bathwater. But, like, I don't know.
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  Track 3: For me, I just, I loved it. I think it's a visually stunning movie.
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  Track 3: It the gorgeous colors all over the screen and so i i couldn't get enough of
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  Track 3: this one and i am so happy that i um saw this one in theaters.
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  Track 1: Yeah i didn't this was so this was the last of the movies i saw and not because
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  Track 1: like i thought it would be bad i was sort of afraid,
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  Track 1: like that the hype for it was like it
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  Track 1: was too overhyped in a way like everyone's like oh i saw this and
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  Track 1: i cried and it's the you know it should win and
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  Track 1: and all that i'm like i'm sure it's not that you know i'm sure
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  Track 1: it's fine and then i'm like oh yeah this this uh this movie
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  Track 1: makes you cry and it's really really good
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  Track 1: and i put this one this was number three on my list so still on
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  Track 1: the very top echelon of the movies this year and yeah
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  Track 1: i mean i thought i also i love emily watson
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  Track 1: or i mean she's in movies but i feel like not in as
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  Track 1: many and yeah and jesse buckley also
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  Track 1: um i saw this and i also saw
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  Track 1: the bri within like three days of each other and the
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  Track 1: range that i that you see between those two of her also makes me think like
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  Track 1: she could you know she could win the the academy award for this too i mean she
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  Track 1: certainly should well she could and i think i don't i don't know what the front
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  Track 1: runner is based on like the betting market but,
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  Track 1: I didn't pick her to win, but I feel like I should have.
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  Track 2: You're not logging on the poly market.
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  Track 1: No, no, I don't, I don't bet on the, the Iranian, uh, bombing,
• 50:26
  Track 1: whatever the hell they're doing over there on that scam website.
• 50:30
  Track 1: But yeah, I mean, again, I think this is a movie that maybe if you're like,
• 50:35
  Track 1: I hate Shakespeare and everything about it, you might not like it,
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  Track 1: but I'm not a big Shakespeare person in general.
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  Track 1: And I really enjoyed it. So maybe that's, uh, a, uh,
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  Track 1: A ringing endorsement from a non-Shakespeare fan.
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  Track 2: I have nothing to add to that. I've been in a Shakespeare play, and I like Shakespeare.
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  Track 2: But I did not get a chance to see Hamnet, so I got nothing on that.
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  Track 3: Yeah, I've been thinking about writing a creative essay about the use of On
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  Track 3: the Nature of Daylight, which has been used in several different movies,
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  Track 3: notably in Hamnet and notably in Arrival, both
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  Track 3: during like the penultimate emotional scene where
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  Track 3: it's like the song is there it's a
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  Track 3: beautifully composed song by max richard and it's there to like
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  Track 3: move the audience but like sometimes and
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  Track 3: i think people have been upset about its overuse in film
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  Track 3: cinema like link cinema has the
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  Track 3: visuals through audio through themes and
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  Track 3: motifs and all of these types of things it can do that to
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  Track 3: people and when it like just genuinely does that
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  Track 3: like it is a beautiful experience that
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  Track 3: so um which is also basically exactly how I feel of number two if not probably
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  Track 3: the most emotional watch of the year for me I I read the book it's for anyone
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  Track 3: I you know I've tried to get away from talking about books too much,
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  Track 3: but it's a two-hour audiobook and that I think is worth everyone's time. And...
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  Track 3: It's a phenomenally well done movie that to me is like the most confounding
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  Track 3: movie of the year, honestly, because one, how did Netflix make a movie this good?
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  Track 3: Like that doesn't make sense to me because like they're the normally the Netflix
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  Track 3: produced movies like look like dog shit.
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  Track 3: It's gorgeous it is a beautiful looking movie they filmed
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  Track 3: it in a ratio that you don't often see it's more of like a
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  Track 3: I don't think it's exactly square framed but it's
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  Track 3: it might be 16 by 16 actually but the aspect ratio of it perfectly fits the
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  Track 3: storyline you have beautiful visuals of the landscape of these people of these
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  Track 3: costumes and then also you've got a soundtrack and a script that is just so
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  Track 3: well done and secretly you know my guilty pleasure in movies is.
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  Track 3: Voiceovers that are really well done and the voiceover that
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  Track 3: they get for this movie is actually the narrator of the audiobook so
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  Track 3: it just like it has this you know like
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  Track 3: loved the book but I love the movie even more because
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  Track 3: I think it just takes everything and just escalates it
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  Track 3: so also who knew Joel Edgerton was
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  Track 3: capable of this like that to me that was like the startling thing
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  Track 3: it was like Netflix made it and Joel Edgerton is leading it
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  Track 3: and i i just i didn't have a lot of hopes for this and 10
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  Track 3: by the end of it i was truly like blown away by this movie and it's it's the
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  Track 3: only movie i've seen all year where i literally did like uh stop the movie because
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  Track 3: i watched it at home because it's netflix but i stopped the movie and like texted
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  Track 3: like 20 of my friends i'm like you've you gotta see like i'm not joking please go put this on right now.
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  Track 1: So, okay, Bill.
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  Track 2: I was just going to comment about the ratio. So the ratio, it was filmed in a 151 ratio.
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  Track 2: And it was specifically filmed that way to capture the very calorie of the trees.
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  Track 2: It was a very conscious decision to get that feel.
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  Track 1: That makes sense. So I have two opinions about the movie that are,
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  Track 1: well, this is towards the bottom of my list.
• 54:31
  Track 1: But I will say this. It was probably, if not top two or three in terms of just
• 54:39
  Track 1: beautiful shots, beautiful cinematography.
• 54:44
  Track 1: Like I can't can't really say a single bad thing about how the movie looks and
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  Track 1: all of that. It just didn't.
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  Track 1: Pull me in to the world and
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  Track 1: i don't know why i just
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  Track 1: i felt like it was i could see like the beauty
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  Track 1: it like has this of course if i don't want to spoil anything but like extremely
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  Track 1: sad aspects of it that are just like heartbreaking to watch and i felt that
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  Track 1: I don't know. It just, that turned on something in me, whereas in Train Dreams,
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  Track 1: it just didn't hit me as hard. So, again, I just.
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  Track 3: It's the accents.
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  Track 1: I don't know. I mean, I agree with you though. I thought that both Felicity
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  Track 1: Jones, who didn't have a huge role, but Joel Edgerton was extremely good in
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  Track 1: it. It just didn't get me.
• 55:41
  Track 1: And then a sec, another movie with Carrie Condon. She's also an F1.
• 55:44
  Track 1: So, you know, she's like, how many Academy Award, not many films can I be in
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  Track 1: this year? I guess there's two.
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  Track 2: To me, I have, other than aesthetics, like, to me, this just smacks of settler
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  Track 2: colonial navel gazing, and I don't care.
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  Track 2: Like, that's all it was to me. Like, settler colonial navel gazing.
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  Track 2: Sad white Americans don't care. I don't care.
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  Track 2: Like, these are stories that have been told a thousand times.
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  Track 2: Like we're still we're still we're still just rehashing like shit that Hemingway
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  Track 2: wrote like okay I don't sorry.
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  Track 1: It's fair for.
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  Track 3: At number one on the list uh here's
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  Track 3: here's where we here's where we have some fun on the
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  Track 3: podcast uh my favorite movie of the year one battle
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  Track 3: after another i i am obsessed
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  Track 3: the left of the projector podcast is not going to agree with me
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  Track 3: on this one so let me say my piece um i
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  Track 3: i think this is the funniest movie of the year i didn't
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  Track 3: see naked gun to be fair but i just think this
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  Track 3: is a phenomenally well done political satire that
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  Track 3: is just both visually interesting and
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  Track 3: is phenomenal the characters are vivid and
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  Track 3: really particular things that i think
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  Track 3: you know if you dive into the
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  Track 3: fairly by the numbers but like i i
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  Track 3: think that's i think that's where a lot of people get held up
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  Track 3: on this movie but i think for me i was just like i was along for the ride in
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  Track 3: every way and i saw this movie opening theater opening weekend in imax in 70
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  Track 3: millimeter and was just like one of the most fun theater experiences that i've
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  Track 3: ever had because it's just you're just bracing yourself for the.
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  Track 3: All the weird twists and turns that this movie makes. And I was along for the
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  Track 3: ride every single time. So I, I love it. I also think it's got a lot of heart to it.
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  Track 3: And, um, I think maybe my favorite character all year is Sensei,
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  Track 3: I think is just one of the coolest people put to film in the last few years.
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  Track 3: And so when I get to see, uh, you know, little snippets of life being told through
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  Track 3: a way like this, I found it so fascinating and so compelling that I couldn't get enough of it.
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  Track 1: So, if you have seen my list, I have this movie 10th.
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  Track 1: And I also feel like I need to explain myself. Because,
• 58:37
  Track 1: I also saw this movie the opening weekend in IMAX.
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  Track 1: And if you go on to Letterboxd, I didn't change or remove my original review,
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  Track 1: the day I saw I got home and I gave it five stars.
• 58:49
  Track 1: My opening was PTA one banger after another. I thought the action was incredible.
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  Track 1: I think it is an incredible ride. I was like swept away with the crowd.
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  Track 1: I thought the scene in the car on the road is just one of the most spectacularly
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  Track 1: shot scenes with the most tension and the best music you can probably ever have.
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  Track 1: And I still would agree that the way it
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  Track 1: was filmed and some of the especially benicio
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  Track 1: del toro as you just mentioned the sensei character like is really good
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  Track 1: and i think he was probably my favorite part of the whole
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  Track 1: movie and then i saw it again in the theater a couple of weeks later not an
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  Track 1: imax just sort of the regular version and then was reading some discourse and
• 59:32
  Track 1: sort of kind of reevaluating it and i still contend that the movie is extremely well made.
• 59:42
  Track 1: As I thought more about the politics, perhaps, and some of the female characters
• 59:48
  Track 1: in it, it just dropped on my list more than I thought.
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  Track 1: I feel like I'd recommend seeing this movie more than some of the other movies.
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  Track 1: I'd see this instead of F1, see this instead of Train Dreams.
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  Track 1: but no disrespect from people, but this is one for most people.
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  Track 1: I posted my thing on threads and everyone's like, your opinion is demented,
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  Track 1: like the worst take I've ever seen in my life. Like, you know,
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  Track 1: typical threads discourse.
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  Track 3: Should I post my little picture on threads and just see if we get the same comments,
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  Track 3: even though our orders are like the exact opposite? to see like.
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  Track 2: You get the.
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  Track 1: Sinners people being like you racist monster i don't know something something that someone will say.
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  Track 2: So full disclosure i did
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  Track 2: not watch this film i had every intention of watching it and as
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  Track 2: time went by i just kept reading like i abandoned the pretense of watching this
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  Track 2: film and just kept reading about it and talking to people about it and as time
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  Track 2: went by I grew to despise it more and more because of the politics.
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  Track 2: And I'm like, if you read it as satire, and Ward disagrees with us.
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  Track 2: Ward is like, I like it, it's funny satire. Ward, our co-host who is not here tonight.
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  Track 2: But I'm like, I don't even want to give this time.
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  Track 2: Like, I got more and more turned off against it as I read opinions primarily
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  Track 2: from Black women. And I'm like, I don't want to watch this. I don't want to give this attention.
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  Track 2: It actually turned me off.
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  Track 2: Also, I don't like Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah.
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  Track 3: I think, I think this has been like, I think the crux of this year's discourse
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  Track 3: online has really obviously revolved around sinners in one battle after another.
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  Track 3: And I think to me, this is just what the, what social media is made for.
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  Track 3: It's, it's been made for just like inflamed rhetoric of just like,
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  Track 3: of categorically trying to get people upset.
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  Track 3: And so I'm not saying there's not any critiques of these movies.
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  Track 3: It's not, that's not my take at all. But I do think social media produces itself
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  Track 3: in order to have the most inflamed takes that you can.
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  Track 3: And so when people are saying like, you know, basically these two movies have
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  Track 3: been pitted against each other, which I don't think even by their politics,
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  Track 3: I don't think they need to be pitted against each other.
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  Track 3: Like not the way that i view things but it
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  Track 3: is it is a fascinating thing to be online and watching these
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  Track 3: things and and when we watch the oscars like it's
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  Track 3: going to be that exact experience when when people when one of these movies
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  Track 3: wins and the other one doesn't for any category that any of them are nominated
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  Track 3: in and so yeah i do think to me i've had this like kind of separation in my
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  Track 3: head for like the last little while of like of movie fans versus like.
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  Track 3: Internet movie fans you know what i'm saying like and i
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  Track 3: think like that's been that's been like the conversations that i've
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  Track 3: had with people in real life where it's just like you can kind of tell
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  Track 3: sometimes and and i think i
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  Track 3: think for i think for movie fans it's like well worth the time but i think you
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  Track 3: know some of the discourse has become so engulfed within like just like the
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  Track 3: the viral vitriol that it's it's hard to parse through like what what is genuine
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  Track 3: and what is real artistic criticism.
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  Track 2: I don't disagree with you my perspective
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  Track 2: on this particular movie is not as a movie
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  Track 2: fan even it is as a person who has been involved in
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  Track 2: activism and like been involved in like
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  Track 2: leftist like activism like marxist leninist
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  Track 2: organizing like that is my perspective as this is as like what i've learned
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  Track 2: about like have like about this movie like that's my perspective on this why
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  Track 2: like it became more and more like i'm like i this is distasteful to me like
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  Track 2: that's my like personal like how i came to this the.
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  Track 1: Ideal world for me and and i know i just like
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  Track 1: told everyone that this is my least favorite or like ranked least favorite of
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  Track 1: the year is i think what could actually happen is that one battle after another
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  Track 1: will win the best adapted screenplay and Sinners will win best original screenplay
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  Track 1: and then everyone can just be like, cool, we're good now.
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  Track 2: You know? Yeah, that's a good compromise.
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  Track 3: I think if they both win five awards, you know, like maybe that,
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  Track 3: it would break the internet because they would have nothing to discuss.
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  Track 3: Like it's not a super viral moment, you know, it's just actually like we have
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  Track 3: nothing to say. You can't respond.
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  Track 2: Brian Cooper slaps Paul Thomas Anderson.
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  Track 3: Right.
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  Track 1: Slaps Paul Thomas Anderson.
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  Track 2: Yeah, get your...
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  Track 2: You know, what is it? Get her name out of your mouth. The Will Smith thing.
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  Track 1: Yeah.
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  Track 3: We don't have this in the show notes, but I did want to, you know,
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  Track 3: before we close, was there any, I don't know if you guys are going to be watching
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  Track 3: the Oscars, if you're like big fans of the program and stuff like that.
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  Track 3: But I was curious if you had like any kind of predictions that we might want
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  Track 3: to share with the audience. Because I think, you know.
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  Track 1: I think a lot of people. I will be watching. Yeah. I mean, as much as I both
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  Track 1: like dislike the Oscars, I also like will watch it because I just have to,
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  Track 1: you know, know what's happening.
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  Track 1: You know, I don't feel like I have any major.
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  Track 1: The problem I have when I fill out my my, you know, my predictions for the Academy
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  Track 1: Awards is I go based on like the movies that I like sometimes more than what
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  Track 1: probably will win just based on historical precedent is.
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  Track 1: I think I try looking at my list to see if there's anything crazy.
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  Track 1: I think that Hamnet's going to win Best Director. That would be my one of the...
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  Track 1: I don't think that would be out of their own possibility, but I think that's what's going to happen.
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  Track 2: I literally do not possess the means to watch the Oscars.
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  Track 1: Oh, like cable TV.
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  Track 2: I do not have the ability to watch them. So, no, I won't be because I can't.
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  Track 2: I just read about it the next day.
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  Track 1: Do you have any big predictions, Nathan, of something that might win?
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  Track 3: I think my biggest, like,
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  Track 3: my hot take, because I just have a really bad feeling about this,
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  Track 3: and I don't know why I've had a bad feeling about it the entire time,
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  Track 3: is I think the Best Actress award is going to go to Kate Hudson for Song Sung
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  Track 3: Blue, which I think is a horrible, horrible choice.
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  Track 3: Like for definitely I've watched, I've watched all five of the,
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  Track 3: those and worst, worst one out of those.
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  Track 3: But for some reason, I've just had that in my head that they're going to,
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  Track 3: they're going to pull some weird award. And for some reason,
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  Track 3: I think it's going to be the actress.
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  Track 3: No, I think, I think like the big thing is like, what's going to happen with Timothy Chalamet.
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  Track 3: I think that's been kind of like what's kind of devolved over the,
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  Track 3: like the last little bit. And so that one's really hard.
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  Track 3: I really hope it's, like that's
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  Track 3: that's who i i truly hope wins this one but
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  Track 3: no i think it seems like one battle after another is probably a lock for best
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  Track 3: picture at this point uh i just don't know that sinners has made enough like
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  Track 3: gangway or and in the last little you know like bit of promotion for it uh so So we'll see,
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  Track 3: but, but like you said, I think, uh, splitting the script between,
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  Track 3: uh, sinners and one ballot after another would be like kind of best of both worlds for me.
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  Track 3: I think that would be a really, uh, fun way to, I think, nominate two of the biggest, like.
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  Track 3: Kind of cultural movies of this year like i'm not saying that they were the biggest box.
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  Track 2: Office but certainly.
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  Track 3: If you spend any time online they were two of the most discussed movies and
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  Track 3: so i think that would be like a a really cool thing.
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  Track 1: I would say my other thing is i hope that um elio or zootopia 2 do not win the best animated feature.
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  Track 2: Evan yeah.
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  Track 1: I hope that.
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  Track 2: It's k-pop demon hunters honestly evan you stole my
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  Track 2: fucking point oh sorry i you literally
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  Track 2: just took the words like my fear is
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  Track 2: that one of them is going to win and it's because
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  Track 2: disney has to like prove like you know
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  Track 2: and it's like the the like establishment has
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  Track 2: to like you know defend itself basically and i
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  Track 2: am afraid one of them is going to win and i love k-pop demon hunters um and
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  Track 2: i do think k-pop actually deserves to win not just because of the quality um
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  Track 2: but the innovation of the animation but also the music and the storyline. I,
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  Track 2: But I also think that other movies are also worthy, like Arco.
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  Track 2: Arco was an amazing movie. I absolutely loved Arco.
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  Track 2: And if Arco won, I'd be perfectly happy with that, too.
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  Track 2: Like, beautiful movie, great story, incredibly heartfelt and touching.
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  Track 2: Like, absolutely, yeah. Like, I teared up at the end of Arco.
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  Track 3: I do think if anyone spends any time on threads, they're just like,
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  Track 3: anytime Sinners, that night, anytime Sinners loses an award,
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  Track 3: they're going to, like, lose their goddamn mind.
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  Track 3: And the one that I know for a fact, I guess you can't really say that,
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  Track 3: but I have, I'm a hundred percent betting my money.
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  Track 3: Not really, but I'm betting my money on Golden to win best song.
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  Track 3: Golden's the song from K-pop Demon Hunter. I think it's the most locked in a song has ever been.
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  Track 3: And so if people at all try to start discourse about K-pop Demon Hunter winning best song,
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  Track 3: I just think you you are not attached to Hollywood or cinema or you're just
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  Track 3: there to like say inflammatory stuff online because like golden I don't really
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  Track 3: like animated movies that much but golden is a fucking bop.
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  Track 2: My wife's hot take is that Golden is the weakest of the K-pop Demon Hunter songs. That is her heart.
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  Track 3: Which I think is still fair.
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  Track 2: Her hot take, she's like, Golden is not the best one. And I kind of agree.
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  Track 2: I think your idol might actually be better.
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  Track 2: That's a good song. I do think I love I Lied To You. I love that song. I love that song.
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  Track 1: And I do.
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  Track 2: Love Golden too.
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  Track 1: My last thing is I hope that The Secret Agent is not going to win Best Picture
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  Track 1: but I hope that it wins Best International Feature Film Best International so
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  Track 1: that I haven't seen all the other ones there so I can't,
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  Track 1: compare it but I feel like it's worthy to win that award and hope that it does because it.
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  Track 3: Deserves something I feel like the Oscars does a weird thing where they always nominate
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  Track 3: an international film for Best Picture and it
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  Track 3: gets nominated for international but it never wins either of
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  Track 3: them except so i have a sneaking suspicion that's going to happen again but
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  Track 3: no i do i do i mean man if it won best picture and best like international which
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  Track 3: it won't i'm not saying it will that's never gonna happen that would be that
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  Track 3: would be great for me i would i would go to bed happy yeah.
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  Track 2: That would you know what i would take that as a sign that the Academy Awards,
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  Track 2: is actually worth giving a shit.
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  Track 3: About. Yeah.
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  Track 2: Like, straight up. Like, as much as I love Sinners, I'm like.
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  Track 3: You made an interesting choice that wasn't terrible.
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  Track 2: That'll be a seismic cultural shift.
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  Track 1: I mean, I have to say, I wouldn't be mad if it won Best Picture over any of the other ones.
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  Track 1: I would say that breaks the internet, breaks everything.
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  Track 1: I hope that Kate Hudson doesn't win. I didn't see the movie you were talking
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  Track 1: about, but I don't think that she's better than Jesse Buckley or even Rose Byrne.
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  Track 3: She's the worst one in the category.
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  Track 1: Yeah.
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  Track 2: Yeah.
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  Track 1: Yeah. I thought Rose Byrne's performance in If I Had Legs, I Kick You was really good too.
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  Track 3: And we didn't get to talk about it in the shout outs or anything,
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  Track 3: but I had a lot of fun with weapons.
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  Track 3: I just want to say maybe that's my log off thing that I say for the episode,
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  Track 3: but we didn't get to talk about weapons.
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  Track 3: It wasn't in my, you know, my snubs or anything like that. But I do think it's a very fun movie.
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  Track 3: I like a weird horror movie more than I like like a scary horror movie, if that makes sense.
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  Track 3: So I'm just happy that weapons existed this year, even though like ultimately
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  Track 3: it wasn't, you know, it wasn't in my like top 10 of the year.
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  Track 3: List, but like Amy Madigan, uh, got nominated for best supporting and she,
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  Track 3: man, she destroyed it in that movie. So had a fun time.
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  Track 3: Uh, that's a really tough, uh, actress in a supporting role is Elle Fanning.
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  Track 3: And we've got the two from, we've got sentimental value centers, weapons, one battle.
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  Track 3: I mean, it's like, it's all some of the heavy hitter performances of this year.
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  Track 3: And so I'm really excited for, to see who wins that one.
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  Track 3: Cause I think that's probably about the closest that you could have for an entire category.
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  Track 1: Agreed. Yeah, I love weapons too. I think Bill probably would agree as well.
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  Track 2: Yeah, I loved weapons.
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  Track 1: Awesome. Well, um...
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  Track 2: I actually forgot to, like, include that in my stops.
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  Track 1: I know. That was... I actually did write it and then I deleted it being like,
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  Track 1: well, like, maybe I have other ones that I like more, but... Yeah.
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  Track 1: But Nathan, and for Bill and myself, I love the projector and Schizophrenic
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  Track 1: Reads, appreciate everyone listening to our... Let's babble about Oscar movies.
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  Track 1: Don't go on threads and make inflammatory statements about any of our opinions.
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  Track 1: Keep them to yourself, please.
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  Track 2: Delete your social media.
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  Track 3: Yeah, buy a brick. Go walk in the woods and also see some good movies.
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  Track 2: Read a book. Put your phone.
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  Track 3: There you go.
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  Track 2: The book guy said watch the movies and I'm like, read a book.
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  Track 1: Secret agent, put your phone in the other room, go watch Secret Agent,
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  Track 1: and then come back and that'll be it.
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  Track 1: Awesome. Well, Nathan, it was great to do this Oscars again.
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  Track 1: So thanks everyone for listening.