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Danny Parkins on USMNT disaster vs. Belgium, Donovan Mitchell's huge contract, LeBron's next move | 07.07 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Wave.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Bobani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 2: a hater. It is that time of week where we
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  Speaker 2: have a guest join us. Check him out on First
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  Speaker 2: Things First on FS1. Coming to us live from suburbia,
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  Speaker 2: Danny Parkins.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on? Bo, good to be with you, man.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. And yes, we'll get to it later
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  Speaker 1: in the show. Yes, yes. the capital of suburbia.
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  Speaker 2: Yes that was the tease just to let people know
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  Speaker 2: and somehow we had lost track of this and park
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  Speaker 2: has reminded me we have dispatches from the local newspaper
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  Speaker 2: that he has to share that we will get to
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  Speaker 2: a little bit later but we will start with something
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  Speaker 2: that suburbia is also all about the u.s men's national
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  Speaker 2: team um in soccer now i would be honest with
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  Speaker 2: you i want to answer this for somebody by the
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  Speaker 2: way i saw the youtube comments where i said that
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  Speaker 2: i was in italy And it wasn't a World Cup
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  Speaker 2: in Italy.
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  Speaker 3: And they said, where was I?
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  Speaker 2: Because they said they were there for nine days and
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  Speaker 2: they saw plenty of World Cup.
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  Speaker 3: I was up in the north. I was in the Dolomites.
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  Speaker 2: And so maybe it was just because we was in
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  Speaker 2: the mountains and maybe he was down there in the south.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe he was around more tourists.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Italy, however, was like World Cup. What World Cup? We
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  Speaker 3: all know what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this thing happened with with with a Balagoon.
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  Speaker 3: Where he had got a red card.
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  Speaker 2: And a red card, for those who don't follow this closely,
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  Speaker 2: if you get a red card, which is the double
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  Speaker 2: technical of soccer, if you get a red card, that
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  Speaker 2: also means you can't play in the next game. And shockingly,
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  Speaker 2: FIFA had it in his regulations that there is no
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  Speaker 2: appeal process, which has led to some fascinating discussions about
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  Speaker 2: the differences between Europe and the United States. Where in Europe,
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  Speaker 2: it is like, all right, I guess in the U.S.,
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  Speaker 2: we call him the manager, right? But then magically out
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  Speaker 2: of nowhere, FIFA was like, eh, never mind. And then
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  Speaker 2: Trump popped up and was like, yeah, yeah, we gave
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  Speaker 2: him a call. There's no telling exactly how that went,
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  Speaker 2: who really led the charge, whatever it is. But in
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  Speaker 2: the end, it is amazing how tolerant people are of
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  Speaker 2: corruption when it goes their way. But there was some
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  Speaker 2: measure of corruption. We had this happen. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it sounded like I saw enough of the match to
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  Speaker 2: say this.
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  Speaker 3: U.S., they look like they was guilty. You know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying? It looked like they knew it wasn't supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be like that.
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  Speaker 2: Went out there and got their asses whooped by a
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  Speaker 2: country the size of Maryland.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't matter. They could have had six balligans
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  Speaker 1: out there, Bo. And Belgium just kind of reminded us
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  Speaker 1: exactly where we stand in the world of international soccer. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, listen, I gamble enough for both of us.
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  Speaker 1: We were a slight favorite in that game. That was
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  Speaker 1: some home cooking by the odds makers. I think we
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  Speaker 1: overrated home field advantage in a big way. And so, listen,
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  Speaker 1: Team USA came out flat. got their ass kicked, did
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  Speaker 1: not look like they deserved to be on the field
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  Speaker 1: with Belgium. And the whole thing on Belgium going in
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  Speaker 1: was like, this is the golden generation. There were four
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  Speaker 1: guys on that team that were on the team in
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  Speaker 1: 2014 that beat Team USA in the Olympics. So it
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  Speaker 1: was like, Belgium is old. Belgium is slow. Belgium is
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  Speaker 1: past their prime. And eight minutes into the game, we're
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  Speaker 1: down 1-0 and look straight shook. Like, it was... I
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  Speaker 1: don't think we lose 4-1 if we play the match
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  Speaker 1: 10 times. I do think that was in the direction
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  Speaker 1: of an outlier bad result. But man, did we look outclassed, overmatched,
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  Speaker 1: not ready for the moment, scared. Everything you could possibly
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  Speaker 1: say that is damning about the U.S. team, you could say,
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  Speaker 1: and it's totally fair for that game.
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  Speaker 2: Yo, and the thing was, so many of my soccer
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  Speaker 2: bowl friends were hitting me up at the beginning of this.
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  Speaker 2: We had never seen a U.S. team like this one.
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  Speaker 2: It was the best attack ever. that they had ever
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  Speaker 2: seen coming from the United States. They got a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of dudes who play high-level European soccer.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: You tell me if I'm wrong here, this seemed to
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  Speaker 2: be the most talented team that the U.S. has ever
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  Speaker 2: trotted out to go play international soccer. Now, also correct
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  Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, they got that good FIFA host
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  Speaker 2: country cooking on the group. and so it wasn't like
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  Speaker 2: they were out here like they they played racist ass
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  Speaker 2: paraguay and yes this week they they earned that title
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  Speaker 2: whoever that lady was over there in paraguay she earned
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  Speaker 2: that title when she talked about uh mbappe drinking.
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  Speaker 3: From coconuts and shit like whoa lady wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yes there's there's the line and then there's way past
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  Speaker 1: the line uh yeah listen got a very favorable draw
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  Speaker 1: including like playing teams in the draw that they had
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  Speaker 1: played in the lead up to it, who they had
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  Speaker 1: played well against like Paraguay and Australia. So like the
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  Speaker 1: teams that they knew also got to remember, this is
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  Speaker 1: the expanded world cup, right? So like the last three
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  Speaker 1: world cups that the U S had qualified for, because
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  Speaker 1: then they didn't even qualify in 2018. They made it
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  Speaker 1: to the round of 16 and then lost in largely
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  Speaker 1: uncompetitive fashion. And so this time, It's like, well, for
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  Speaker 1: the first time, the U.S. won a knockout round game
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  Speaker 1: since 2002. Well, the knockout round game that the U.S.
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  Speaker 1: won was around a 32 match, which.
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  Speaker 3: It never existed before. So, like, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, the field was watered down because more countries made it,
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  Speaker 1: and then you got a very favorable group stage draw,
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  Speaker 1: and to their credit, they did dominate those early group
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  Speaker 1: stage games, and they put the ball in the back
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  Speaker 1: of the net in a way that they had never
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  Speaker 1: done before. Like, They led the whole tournament in first-half
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  Speaker 1: goals going through the round of 32. They had seven
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  Speaker 1: of them. Balogun, I'm sure you've seen the story by now.
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  Speaker 1: His mom was pregnant. They were vacationing in America. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't let her get back on the plane, so she
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  Speaker 1: delivered in America. So birthright citizenship kicked in. But his parents, Nigerian,
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  Speaker 1: raised in England. He was not developed by the American
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  Speaker 1: soccer culture. He was developed by English soccer culture. And
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  Speaker 1: then they just recruited him to play for us. That's
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  Speaker 1: a huge win. And yeah, Weston McKinney plays for Juventus.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously Pulisic plays over in Europe, plays for AC Milan.
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  Speaker 1: We have good players. We just don't have enough of them.
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  Speaker 1: And our defense is old and slow. Our goalkeeper is
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  Speaker 1: bad and plays in the MLS. And we finally played
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  Speaker 1: a team with a good attack that knows how to
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  Speaker 1: play soccer. Belgium makes the World Cup every time. They're awesome.
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  Speaker 1: And they destroyed us.
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  Speaker 3: So I would like to make one point in fairness
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  Speaker 3: to U.S.
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  Speaker 1: Soccer.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of discussion anytime this comes up.
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  Speaker 2: And I think this is still relevant that it is
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  Speaker 2: in our country that soccer is a country club sport.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that way anywhere else in the world. And
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  Speaker 2: that is a sign that we really just don't take
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  Speaker 2: this game that seriously. if you do things that exclude
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  Speaker 2: who can ultimately play. But I think we also have
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  Speaker 2: to acknowledge that clearly we take this game a lot
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  Speaker 2: more seriously than we used to because look at all
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  Speaker 2: those black people. When the United States decides it really
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  Speaker 2: takes the sport seriously, they go get black people, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like it's the ultimate, all right, man, well, shit. We
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  Speaker 2: tried everything else, right? Why don't we go pull that lever?
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  Speaker 2: And then you go out there and boom, it was
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  Speaker 2: out there. So I don't want to say that we
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  Speaker 2: don't take this thing seriously. I do think, and from
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  Speaker 2: my reading and discussions with people about soccer, a point
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  Speaker 2: that is frequently made about America is that as a nation,
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  Speaker 2: we believe that athleticism is the solution to everything.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like if we could just get our best athletes out
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  Speaker 2: there playing soccer, the best soccer player in the world
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  Speaker 2: is five. Seven is all I'm saying. Like it's not
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  Speaker 2: this isn't that game. That's part of why it is
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  Speaker 2: so appealing. It's part of why also a country like
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  Speaker 2: Belgium can consistently be good because they don't have the
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  Speaker 2: numbers to just consistently trot out these level of athletes.
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  Speaker 3: Now, you know, colonialism.
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  Speaker 2: It's certainly helping them out also put a pin in
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  Speaker 2: that thought, but the approach of the American observer, which
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  Speaker 2: is like, man, we can get our football players out there. Nah, they're,
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  Speaker 2: they're football players. They, they, they not footy. They are
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  Speaker 2: football players. They should be over there playing football.
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  Speaker 1: A hundred percent. There's an artistry that experts that I've
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  Speaker 1: talked to seem to think that like the American training
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  Speaker 1: system doesn't really have that. We're like, we will just
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  Speaker 1: like rely on athleticism. And then it's like a drill. Like, Dribble, dribble, pass.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like X's and O's. It's like, no, you've
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  Speaker 1: got to be able to have some like feel like
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  Speaker 1: be born with a soccer ball in the crib type
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  Speaker 1: of thing. And listen to your point on the money
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  Speaker 1: aspect of it. This is just, again, purely anecdotal. And
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  Speaker 1: I realize a person of means person of privilege. My
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  Speaker 1: six year old, my older son, he started to get
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  Speaker 1: into soccer. He's like he plays with his friend at recess.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted to play some soccer. Next, starting this week,
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  Speaker 1: he's going to the rec camp, just like the community
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  Speaker 1: center camp. And it's nice and it's on town or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But there was a week gap between school and this.
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  Speaker 1: And both me and my wife work. So we wanted
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  Speaker 1: to find like a week long camp for him. He
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  Speaker 1: said he wanted to do a soccer camp. So I
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  Speaker 1: had no involvement in this. My wife signs him up
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  Speaker 1: for a soccer camp a couple of towns over. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm taking him to the first day. And that's the
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  Speaker 1: day that I look at the packet. And I realized
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  Speaker 1: that the camp is... associated loosely in some way that
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  Speaker 1: I don't really understand with Real Madrid. And I'm like, babe,
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  Speaker 1: what camp did you sign him up for? And it's
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  Speaker 1: like six to 12 years old. And he is for
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  Speaker 1: sure the smallest kid with the least soccer experience. And
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  Speaker 1: I stayed and watched the first like 30 minutes. And
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  Speaker 1: some of these kids have clearly good at soccer. He's
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  Speaker 1: the worst player in the camp, but whatever. He loves it.
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  Speaker 1: He's trying. He's learning. Who cares? Apparently at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the camp, one week later, and this was not like,
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  Speaker 1: that expensive a camp, but whatever. They sent him an
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  Speaker 1: invitation to train at Real Madrid's facilities in Spain if
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  Speaker 1: we would pay $ 4, 500 for a week. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: There's no way he qualified into it. He's six years old.
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  Speaker 1: He's terrible. And I've talked to parents around here that
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  Speaker 1: are like, oh, yeah, you have to do club and
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  Speaker 1: travel soccer. I'm like, your kid is nine. What are
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  Speaker 1: you talking about? So it is just a money grab
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  Speaker 1: here where if you want to keep up with the Joneses,
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  Speaker 1: you get priced out immediately. And that's just not the
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  Speaker 1: way that it's done basically everywhere else in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like there is a higher level, obviously, that once
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  Speaker 2: you're picked out, you get into or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 3: But like, yeah, no, it is not. It is actually
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  Speaker 3: funny because in the States, I would make this point.
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  Speaker 1: And it's always, I.
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  Speaker 2: Always say we can't forget about certain things and certain people.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like there's two levels, right? Of like just
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  Speaker 2: people playing soccer. It's the people with the money and
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  Speaker 2: the leagues and everything else. And it's the Mexicans. right
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  Speaker 2: like clint dempsey is the example of the dude who
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  Speaker 2: came up playing soccer in the trailer park hanging with
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  Speaker 2: the mexicans right like like those are the two levels
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  Speaker 2: uh we had somebody leave a voice note here once
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  Speaker 2: by the way about his kid playing soccer and it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of like the pilgrimage like when a white dude
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  Speaker 2: back in the day was actually good at basketball you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna take him to play back you're gonna take him
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  Speaker 2: to some.
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  Speaker 3: Other neighborhoods to who no no no it's when the.
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  Speaker 2: White team play the mexican team is soccer the energy
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  Speaker 2: the attitude it's all completely different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah man it and uh We didn't go to Spain.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to Spain.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: I was like, you could just play with your friend
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  Speaker 1: at recess. And if you're still good in five years,
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  Speaker 1: maybe if he's good in four years, I'll take him
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  Speaker 1: to a World Cup game in Spain. But it was
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  Speaker 1: like this. The whole thing was crazy, man. The price
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  Speaker 1: of the tickets, the price of everything is just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: And it is a reminder that we are just not.
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  Speaker 1: We've probably reached this level where I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: we have it in us, frankly. To get on Spain
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  Speaker 1: and France and, you know, all those other countries level.
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  Speaker 1: Because as soon as the game ended last night, I
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  Speaker 1: saw people being like, well, maybe this kid Sullivan, who's
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  Speaker 1: on the Philly team, who's 16 years old, who's the
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  Speaker 1: youngest dude to score a goal in MLS. Like, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. But I remember the Christian Pulisic hype.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the Freddie Adu hype.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, we've just been through
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  Speaker 1: this before. You need... A lot of guys. Yeah. You
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  Speaker 1: need a lot of them. And we've got like one, two,
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  Speaker 1: or three who looked like they belonged out there last night.
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  Speaker 2: And also, I think where it becomes interesting to me
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  Speaker 2: is kind of sort of like a fundamental ethos, right? Now,
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  Speaker 2: France is interesting because France also decided, hey, Les Noirs.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get some, let's get some noir on our team.
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  Speaker 2: And you see what that has kind of like become,
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  Speaker 2: but also seems to be like an idea of, or
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  Speaker 2: just the idea is getting the best players you can
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  Speaker 2: and not letting non-sport reasons interfere with.
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  Speaker 3: Getting better players, right? Like no matter what the reason is.
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  Speaker 2: If the reason is not about the game and you're
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  Speaker 2: using that to whittle people off, then you're not going
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  Speaker 2: to be as good as you could be.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: This applies even to things like making kids pass their classes.
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  Speaker 2: We've decided that there's a good reason for you to
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  Speaker 2: do that, but you're not going to be better by
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  Speaker 2: doing that.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like no matter what, what the barrier to entry is,
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  Speaker 2: if it is a barrier that interferes with you getting
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  Speaker 2: the best players, then you're not going to have the
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  Speaker 2: best players. Like I understand that that is a very
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  Speaker 2: obvious statement, but it's one worth noting. Um, I also
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  Speaker 2: think that it becomes a question almost, at least from
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  Speaker 2: the distance at which I watch this, of like a
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  Speaker 2: fundamental ethos. We have seen Brazil not be Brazil. Like
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  Speaker 2: the first time I watched Brazil play, I think it
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  Speaker 2: was against Haiti. It was one of those, no, Haiti,
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  Speaker 2: they beat the brakes off Haiti. But I saw them
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  Speaker 2: play somebody else where I was like, hey, are they
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  Speaker 2: still good?
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  Speaker 3: Right? And there's been questions.
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  Speaker 2: About whether the ethos of Brazilian soccer has changed and
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  Speaker 2: the things that people are ascribing it to. specifically to
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  Speaker 2: religion and discussions that I've seen have been interesting, but it,
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  Speaker 2: it does, it, it, it takes us toward the idea though,
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  Speaker 2: that there's something about this game where it goes just
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  Speaker 2: beyond the training and everything else, that there is something
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  Speaker 2: a bit more ethereal that determines like how good teams
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  Speaker 2: and programs ultimately wind up being.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, and I listen, I'm certainly not enough
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  Speaker 1: of an expert to, to have all of the answers
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  Speaker 1: here because something you said a little bit ago, like
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  Speaker 1: I do think we take it seriously because, They spent
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money to hire Pochettino. Pochettino is a
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  Speaker 1: very highly regarded manager who is very much not American.
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  Speaker 1: As he said during the training, he's like, I'm 200% Argentinian.
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  Speaker 1: He is a proud Argentinian. And Kansas City, a place
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  Speaker 1: that my mom's side of the family is from and
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  Speaker 1: that I did radio for a number of years, there's
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  Speaker 1: a U.S. soccer training complex in Kansas City. The MLS
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  Speaker 1: has gotten better and bigger and more profitable and attracted
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  Speaker 1: star players. And some programs have season ticket waiting lists.
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  Speaker 1: Like I do think generally speaking, we are investing in soccer.
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  Speaker 1: We are investing in Team USA soccer and soccer is
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  Speaker 1: getting more popular. But there's just. There's a huge gap, man. Well,
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  Speaker 1: like there's a there's a huge, huge gap. between us
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  Speaker 1: and everybody else, and are we closing the gap? I
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  Speaker 1: personally find it hard to make the argument that we
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  Speaker 1: are when, again, the last three World Cups, we made
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  Speaker 1: the round of 16 and lost in non-competitive fashion, and
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  Speaker 1: this World Cup, we made the round of 16 and
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  Speaker 1: lost in non-competitive fashion.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's throw a couple things out here, right?
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  Speaker 2: First of all, 16 in a world with 194 countries. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I understand not every country is the same size, da-da-da,
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  Speaker 2: everything else, but, you know.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: We, I think as a nation are being a little greedy.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: You know, it's an interesting point. Yeah.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Like, cause, cause what I will say is we have
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: maybe not closed the gap on the top teams, but
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: I do think we have distanced ourselves from being sorry.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Like we, we are improving. And to the point earlier,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: like why this tournament felt so fun is because even
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: when we would make it out of the group state, like,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: The 2022 World Cup, we made it out of the
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: group stage and we had four total goals. Yeah. Right?
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: There were a lot of 0-0s, 1-1s. This time it
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, we had a game with four goals.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: We scored first in every game until this one. Yeah.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: We definitely have improved compared to countries 20 through 190,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: to your point. But I don't know if we can
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: get to the top five.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and, you know, it got me thinking about, like,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: college football in some ways. You know? Like, you know,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I used to do a lot of comparing, like, when
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I watched the World Cup to basketball. I'd call everything, like,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: a fast break. I forget what they call it in
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: soccer when they got a fast break. But, you know, like,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: I'd flip up the terms and everything else. But in
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: terms of the way that we are discussing this now,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: we observe it. The parallel is obviously college football. For example,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: you had the United States and Belgium. If it was
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: a college football matchup, they would have one of them trophies,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: you know, because they have trophies for.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: The big college football games. And it would be the
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: battle for Lumumba's tooth.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: What would that trophy look like, bro?
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: It would look like Lumumba's tooth.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Okay. Just a direct look at it? Okay. Got you.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I know that might be a little awkward for some
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: of you people to hear, but that was a great line.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Anyway, and we.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Saw what happened in the battle for Lumumba's tooth, but
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: the fact that the U.S. lost in the round of 16,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: in college football, we have what I like to call
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: an eight-win school.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: There are some schools.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: No matter who they are or where they go, they
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: are just eight-win schools. Texas A & M is the
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: grand example, and maybe that's what this comes down to,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: that the United States is the Texas A & M
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: of the soccer world. We definitely have the first characteristic
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: you must have to be Texas A & M under
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: those circumstances, which is a very large population.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: We got that. And number two, and most important, a
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: bunch of dorks as fans. But then on top of that,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Texas A & M has.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Just historically, no matter what the resources are, no matter
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: what shakes out, no matter what it comes down to.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: It's an eight win school. You know what? Really more
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: like plus or minus 8.5. And that's just kind.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Of where we are.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what changes, no matter who the new
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: coach is, don't matter what it is. They are right
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: there at 8.5. And maybe that's the thing with the U.S.,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: simply an eight-win program. Our giant population does not entitle
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: this nation to be good at soccer.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: The two countries with bigger populations than the United States
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: is China and India. India over there playing cricket, baby.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know what they're doing over there at China,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: but I'm just telling you, I ain't heard nothing about
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: them being there in the World Cup. maybe we just.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Like they're all kinds of like north carolina football the
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: sleeping giant right like every region has their sleeping giant
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and then you look up and you are texas a &
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: m and you're like well how has washington played for
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: a national championship and we haven't that doesn't make any
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: sense right that's who we are that's that's.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Who the united states is just texas a & m.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: It is a little surprising that we can't find our
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Erling Holland, though. Yeah. Like, like, like, like, like sometimes
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Texas A & M gets that quarterback and it's like, oh, damn. Yeah,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: that was that was fun. Why can't we find Johnny football? Yeah.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: They found Johnny football. They went, they were, they were
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: 10 and two that year. And then they won the
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: ball game.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: You are correct.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Every now and then the eight win team will win 10.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what we're waiting for. Like it
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: one more win and it would have been, this is
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: a successful world's cup. And then it would have been like,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: how do you perform against Spain? How do you measure
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: up against Spain? And after watching the game against Belgium,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: they would have lost to Spain seven zero. Yeah. So like,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I'm very happy that we didn't get there, but yeah,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: maybe there is some degree of acceptance that we have
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: to have, but Americans are not good at accepting anything
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: less than excellence. Yeah. But the nerve, I know American arrogance,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: American exceptionalism. Yes, of course.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, from 1950 to 94, did we not even
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: make it?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no. Listen, I'm a bit of the stat guy
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: on the show, whatever, so we have the researcher kind
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: of assigned to my takes. A lot of my World
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Cup takes were put into the context of since 1930.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: And I was like, what happened in 1930? Well, we
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: finished in third place. I'm like, oh, were we awesome?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: They're like, no, it was a small field, and they
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: didn't even have a semifinal game. I was like, oh, okay,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: got it.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: But think about this, right? For example, England.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: England got a lot of people. You think they should
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: be good at this. We know they really, really care.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: They haven't won since 1966 when they hosted the thing.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. It's hard to win. It's hard
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: to win.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Right now, Brazil starting to feel like, I guess, USC.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Like y'all used to be good. Everybody kind of wanted
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: to be like y'all.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Where y'all at what's happening.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Now right brazil's drought from like o2 on is like
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a national catastrophe.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Yes i mean they lost 12 to 1 or whatever
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: that was at the crib against germany in 2014 that's
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: one of the wild i didn't know it was possible
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: to do that in soccer yeah that.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Was that was a national embarrassment and we would kill
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: for a for a drought to be since 2002 but
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: like You know how this is going to go. This
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: is going to they're going to get crushed. They're going
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: to be disappointed. And we are going to four years
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: from now in Spain and Morocco and Portugal are hosting
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the tournament. We're going to talk ourselves into the fact
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: that maybe why not us every year, every single time.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Do you disagree? We should. Why not? Why not?
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: It's every four years. You get a chance to build
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: it up. All you got to do.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: And look, the expansion of the tournament has appeared to
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: be a very good thing, right? Everybody seemed to enjoy
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: this expanded tournament. It led to the potential. Cape Verde
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: almost shook up the whole thing.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Like everybody seems to appreciate it. 500,000 people that played
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Spain to a draw and Argentina to a draw. And
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: one of the great stories in, you know, recent sports history. Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: So like it was, the tournament i do think the
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: tournament is easy to fall for even if you don't
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: watch any soccer until the next world cup like just
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the fan interest and the celebrations and the intensity of
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the games and then single elimination i do think it's
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: an easy spectacle to fall for and so i'll be
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: there again four years from now.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: It's this is the thing with the world cup though
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: and i realized this like I've been to a Real
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Madrid match in Madrid. I went to Stanford Bridge and
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: saw Chelsea play last summer.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: First match of the year. I pulled up for that.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: But you'd be like, oh, they're so crazy about soccer
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: over there.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but these are just regular season games. It don't
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: hit the same.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: For me, it is hard to make that World Cup
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: transition into the other soccer because the games wind up
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: being of lower stakes.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I went to a World Cup game in 94 with
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: my dad. It was like an impressionable thing on how
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: much people cared. I was in Spain when Real Madrid
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: signed David Beckham. And I saw people partying and dancing
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: in the fountains like it was like a national holiday.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: But I don't have an EPL team. You know, I
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: don't have an MLS team. So I'm with you. I'm
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: kind of, I think I might be at like my
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: cup runneth over. I don't know that I can all
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: of a sudden become a Chelsea fan right now or
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: a Real Madrid fan. I don't think I have it
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: in me. But again, I'll watch a Champions League final.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I'll watch a World Cup final. Sports at the highest
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: level with the highest stakes attached to it, it's pretty
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: easy for me to fall for.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is something. But now we get to watch
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: the rest of the tournament. That's the one thing I.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Do find is that once you start with the World Cup,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you're riding it out.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: 100%. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think the Messi story
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: is unbelievable. Greatest of all time who won his World
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Cup last time, and we didn't even know he was
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: going to play in this one, and he might win
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the Golden Boot, might score the most goals. Kylian Mbappe
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: is incredible. Luminia Mall is 18 years old. Spain still
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: hasn't allowed a goal. They have not allowed a goal
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: in the entire tournament, and Erling Haaland... Looks like a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Viking warrior.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: No, that dude there.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: That was the thing watching Norway against Brazil. Norway ain't
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: got no terrible lineage of colonialism, so I didn't feel
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: bad about them winning necessarily. But dude, he looked like
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: he came out of Ice Cave just balling.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Listen, I am not under any sort of illusions about
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: my physical stature. I'm a skinny white dude with scoliosis.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I could allow my wife to
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: watch the next Norway game. She was fawning. When Erling
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Haaland scored that goal and turned around and didn't celebrate
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: and lifted his shirt and the dude jumped on his
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: back and he didn't even flinch.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. She liked refined sugar.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay. I was like, I get it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I understand he is everything that I am not, but
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: just keep it down a little.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: We got some colonial battles coming up. We got France
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: versus Morocco. And, you know, the African countries are not
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: happy with Morocco after the way things went at AFCON. However,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: they are playing against France. So it's go Rocco. Spain
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: versus Belgium. How can I root for the Hague? or cholera,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: or any of these other things against them. I'm totally
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: about geopolitics when it comes down to this. We got
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Norway and England. The Norwegians seem to be all right.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? I think I'm going to rock.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: It out with them on that one.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Their fans also seemed fun. Yes. Just like rowing in
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Times Square, rowing at Cubs-Mets games at Citi Field, rowing
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: on the subway.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I ain't going to lie, man.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: I forget which team it was they was playing against,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: but they was playing against one of the really black teams,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and we ain't going to be talking about rowing no boat.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying? I know that Norway wasn't
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: really involved.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: In that necessarily, but at the same time, I personally
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: felt like that hit me. I think it was against
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Senegal it may have been, but.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, sore spot.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that That makes total sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I just had to follow back.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: We got Argentina against Egypt today and also Switzerland against Colombia.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I like Colombia's chances.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I'm down for that. Let me tell you something, brother.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Colombia seems like it would have been fun in a
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: different life for me.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I went to a Colombia-Brazil friendly in Miami in 2014.
• 27:21
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• 27:23
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  Speaker 2: I realize I did not get to talk about this
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  Speaker 2: I think it's perfect for you where we talked about
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: this and you hadn't realized it before I mentioned it,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: but young Danny Parkins definitely would have had an Austin
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Reeves jersey. And now I'm looking at the Lakers and
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you would choose.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, you would still be Austin Reeves. The headband,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: American born, the shooter. Yeah, it would have been Austin
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Reeves for sure. I wanted to be John Paxson and
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Steve Kerr. Wow.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: No ambition about you.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: None. None. I mean, Jordan was my favorite, obviously. And
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: then Rodman, I was enamored with, obviously. But like, you know,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I knew what it was at a pretty early age.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: He had no ambition about me. It's hilarious. Yeah, that
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: is 100% spot on. And yeah, listen, this Lakers thing
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: is interesting because I agree. Luka... Needs a center like
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Luca wants a center, right? You want to do what
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Luca wants because obviously you need Luca to commit to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: you long term or else what the hell was the
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: purpose of all of this stuff? And Walker Kessler is
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: a center who is good, who will catch lob passes
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: from Luca. But, man, I don't know what the ceiling
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: is of a Walker Kessler, Austin Reeves, Luka Doncic team is.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and Walker Kessler is really talented, too.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: He is.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: He's really good.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: You know, Danny Ainge, by the way, boy, he ain't
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: selling low on nothing. Like, I can only imagine the
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: way Danny Ainge, like, sucked through his teeth when he
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: saw the return to Brad Stevens. Guy for Jalen Brown.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: That never would have been Danny Ainge. Danny Ainge got
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: all these picks back for the Lakers for these guys.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: All I'm saying with the Lakers is, and hey, man,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: most of these cats can hoop for what I can tell.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying you don't wind up with that many
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: white boys by accident. It's not possible.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Like, they are, they are.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: They run in the program.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: They're going to be screaming DEI at them boys when
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: they go play on the road.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Would you feel better if multiple of the white guys
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: were Europeans?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: It's not even about better or worse, right?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Monochromatic?
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have a problem with the fact that
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: they're doing it.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: No, I meant like for basketball prospects. Oh, wow.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: That's a good question because they got one European dude,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: the dude with all the letters in his name.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I had never heard of him. Sandro.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, in terms of the
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: main characters, Bo, is what I'm talking about.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, Austin Reeves, Walker Kessler, Luka Doncic, poor Dalton Konek,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: who probably been complaining that being white is holding him back.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. Quentin Grimes, by the way, his mama white.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. I'm telling you, they taking this
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: experiment a long way.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Colin Sexton, I saw they signed him, and I was like,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: there must be some sort of mistake.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: Ha, ha, ha.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: That couldn't have possibly been on purpose.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: And I mean, Bronny's going to be around day after
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the contract is guaranteed. Bronny's going to be there.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: His dad did was solid.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Although I continued, everybody knew what was going on, but
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: still like, but they, that was, that was nice of
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: the Lakers.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: They did. They, they didn't have to do that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I thought, I mean, listen, am I, am I completely
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: delusional or is Bronny going to get meaningful minutes for them?
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: That's a good question, right?
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Like I feel, I feel like Bronny, like Bronny is
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: not going to start for them, but Bronny is going
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: to play a role of perimeter defense as a sub
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: for them. Like I, I absolutely think Bronny is a
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: regular on the Lakers next year, just kind of given
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the makeup of their team as it's presently constituted. Unless I,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: unless I am missing something. I feel like Bronny is
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: a defensive sub who gives them energy and plays like
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: 15 minutes a night.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: A night.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Ooh, I think he might play some nights. We think
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: he's getting like Colin Sexton. I think he's getting those
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: minutes that you're talking about.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Okay. I mean, I'm going to, I'm going to pull
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: up the whole thing here. If we're going to, if
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: we're going to deep dive on the Lakers nine man rotation,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: in July. Let's see what we got here.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, from what I can tell here, it looks
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: like the nine guys, or at least the eight, Dodgers, Reeves, Grimes, Kessler,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Colin Sexton, Sandro, that Jake LaRavia guy, is he going
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: to get to play?
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: I would imagine so.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot Jaden Hardy. Okay, I mean, maybe not
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: 15 minutes a night. Maybe not.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: But the fact that this is a discussion I don't
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: feel like is a good sign.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: No, probably not. Probably not. Listen, Luka led the league
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: in scoring last year and was, what, fourth for MVP
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: and losing LeBron and adding Walker Kessler is a the
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: basketball fit around Luca makes a little bit more sense, right?
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Luca is not LeBron's obviously was incredible last year. We're
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: not saying that, but just like, it at least makes
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit more sense to have pieces on the
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: basketball floor who do different things. Right. It's just like,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: that's the most rudimentary analysis here possible. So I do
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: think they are maybe moving in the direction of being
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: a team that makes more sense eventually, but, But that's
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: not a top four seed in the West.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: And they don't have any flexibility because they don't have
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: any draft picks until I turn 50 years old.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Right. So I think that they are going to be
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: a team that is hoping to avoid the play-in in
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: the Western Conference unless Walker Kessler has another level that
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: he can get to that I just currently don't see.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: And I'd just like to throw this out here that
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: if you trade for Luka Doncic.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: And you just become a play-in team basically yeah that
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: trade's a failure oh not necessarily i'm not saying it's his.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Fault that it does this or not but that's a failure.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I mean listen the team that he took in dallas
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: yes it had kairi and that's not i'm not trying
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: to like well actually kairi kairi is an all-timer but
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: mean Gafford and lively and like you you should be
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: able to build out a team that resembles that team
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: around Luca it's not it's not like an impossibility here
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: like there are there are he should not be that
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: difficult I know he's ball dominant but he should not
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: be that difficult to build to build a team around
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: and I think the Lakers have kind of hard capped
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: their ceiling and I remember when we talked about this
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: four months ago like is, is Austin Reeves really going
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: to be the member of a big three? And he's like, man,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: they gave him $ 180 million and he is an excellent
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: offensive basketball player. So like, yes, but I don't think
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: that he is the right type of guy to play
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: off of Luca. You need like three and D guys.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: You need guys who are pluses on the defensive end
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: of the floor. I, I just don't think your best
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: guys can like, you can have multiple best guys be
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: defensive liabilities, which is by the way, why I was
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: so anti the Knicks, but everybody else on the team
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: was awesome at defense. And like we talked about Carl
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Anthony towns stopped being a liability on the defensive end
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: of the floor. Right. He remembered he was seven feet tall.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: He jumped, he tried, he rebounded. It was whatever, but
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: like Luca and Austin Reeves are not going to become
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: plus defensive players. It's just not going to happen. So,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I think there's a really low ceiling on that team.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Well, let me ask this question. Do you think that
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Austin Reeves is a better player than Jalen Brown?
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: No. Okay.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: And the Celtics just decided that you can't really pay
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: your number two guy the kind of money that the
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Lakers are paying Austin Reeves to be the number two guy.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Right, but the Celtics also seem to be saying that
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: what Jalen Brown gives you can be replaced with a
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: $ 40 million player instead of a soon-to-be $ 55, $ 60 million player.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I guess I trust Brad Stevens and the analytics on that,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: but Yeah.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: But I guess my point is, but like, if you're
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: not giving that.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Money to Jalen Brown, second player, right?
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But if you don't want to give that money
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: to Jalen Brown, do you want to give that money
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: to Austin Reeves?
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Like that's, that's where the, like, I feel like.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: The new paradigm of the NBA and maybe Palenka and
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: those guys are behind on it where it used to
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: be a no brainer that you give your number two
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: guy that money.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: That's not a no brainer anymore.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Right. But I guess what I'm saying is, is that it,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: is it, I don't know that it's the money. Like,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Is the argument that Austin Reeves is a better analytics
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: player than Jalen Brown because he shoots threes, and therefore
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: he spreads the floor, and therefore he makes it easier
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: for everybody else. I don't think that... What's a good
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: example in the NBA right now? I'm trying to think. Obviously,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: the Knicks have no... I mean, Brunson took an under-market deal,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. I don't think it's the salary
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: slot as much as you need the players to complement
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: each other. The wool... The Timberwolves, like, Ann Edwards, amazing scorer.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert, amazing defensive player. Like, they are... They're paying
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: for top-of-the-market players at people who do very different things. Whereas, like,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Luka and Austin Reeves are just... They're very similar basketball players.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: And I know that's ridiculous, but, like.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, but that makes sense.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: They are defensive liabilities who are offensive players, who are shooters,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: who are minus athletes. Like, I just... I think it's
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: more about diversifying your talent, not necessarily the money aspect
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Though I'll say, Stevens specifically said that we didn't want
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to tie 70% of our cap up with two guys.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, no doubt. And he clearly... Brad Stevens is one
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: of the smartest people in sports. And Jalen Brown kind
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: of did stuff that Boston... Like, Jalen Brown attacks the basket.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Jalen Brown's a slasher. Like, he's not just a guy
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: who floats out and shoots threes. So, like, I... I'm
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: still shocked by the Jalen Brown thing. Yeah. Gobsmacked by,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: by the entire thing. So I'm clear. I'm clearly wrong.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Like maybe Brad Stevens would say Austin Reeves is much
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: better than Jalen Brown. I don't know.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, this is, this is going to be a
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: really interesting NBA season because Adam Silver got what he
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: and the owners wanted, which is the notion of parody.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: that I am still not certain it makes the NBA better.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I like the long run dynasty saga. I still prefer that.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: But I also acknowledge that I, for the majority of
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: my life, have observed the NBA as a fan of
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: the league, not as a fan of a team. So
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that the idea that, oh, maybe my team is a
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: move or two away from being good does not add
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: to the intrigue of the NBA for me because I'm
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: not personally invested. and what one team ultimately does. But
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: it does feel like everybody looks around and is like, well,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: if maybe we just do this one thing, maybe we
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: could get hot in the postseason and then go from there.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: But then at the same time, have you seen this
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell deal?
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I did. That's a lot of money.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell just signed an extension. It was at four
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: years for $ 273 million on top of a $ 60 million
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: deal last year of his deal that he already has
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: set up. And look, I can be wrong here, but
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I feel like the lessons of the cap that we're
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: seeing around the league say, you don't pay him $ 70 million.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I agree with you. The undersized guard, Jalen Brunson,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: just turned that on its head. But I was like,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I'm out on.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Trey Young, Darius Garland, Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brunson. Like I
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: was like going down the direction of like, I got
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: a type and it's not the small guard who's a
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: defensive liability. And so Mitchell would not have been a
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: guy that I would have been thrilled to do that for.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I do think like him being willing to sign early
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: and sign another contract extension in Cleveland, like free agency
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: in the NBA is dead. It is dead. teams are
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: trading for guys into their cap space. Now they're not
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: waiting for players to hit free agency and then just
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: have like, you know, an open bidding on guys. So
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: if you have a top 10 to 15 player in
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: the league who wants to commit to you and your Cleveland,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I think you are just, you're kind of stuck and
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: you just say like, well, we're going to do it
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: and he's been loyal to us. So we're going to
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: be loyal to him. And maybe that's like nostalgia and
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: terrible business, but I don't, I don't know what moves
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: they had if he was willing to sign that deal. Like,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I guess, I guess trade him is the, is the answer,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: but they think they're going to get LeBron. So yeah.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: And like, they think they're getting him.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Cleveland thing is interesting because they're the
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: only team we've ever seen to get farther than they
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: have gotten before, which is to get to the conference finals.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: And the thought from watching them was, you know, I don't.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Know if you guys thought about tearing this down, but yeah, listen, I, God,
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: I think because it's a it's a group of players
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: that individually are talented and feels like they should be
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: better than they are, even though they were successful.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: But it's like Evan Mobley been a little bit of
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: a disappointment. Donovan Mitchell in the playoffs, at least with
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the results, been a little bit of a disappointment. Harden,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: well documented. Then Jared Allen is just like a nice
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: piece who's there. But again, I don't they're willing to
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: pay the luxury tax. I respect them for that. They
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: have made aggressive moves. I respect them for that. And
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: if they go get LeBron, I don't know how it
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: works with LeBron and James Harden and Donovan Mitchell all
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: in one perimeter. That seems, again, like a defensive liability.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Where's your wing defense? I don't know. But if LeBron's
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: going to sign for the minimum, based on that board
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: that Rich Paul puts up, It literally looks like LeBron
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: James is going to play for a minimum contract this year.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: He would make anybody better. Like, literally any team.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Well, the problem, obviously, is that you can't win with
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: James Harden.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Period.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: I think we've got 17 years of evidence to indicate this.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, is the ball even going to be
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: in his hands if LeBron is on the team? Right.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Which then raises the question, what's the point of having
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: James Harden?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Right. I know. I... I liked the Harden trade because
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't like the idea of giving Darius Garland and
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: his bad toes another $ 178 million. Obviously, that flamed out
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: on me in horrible fashion. But I really don't think
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: that LeBron and Harden next to each other makes a
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: lick of sense. Is Harden just going to be a
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: catch-and-shoot three guy who also can't play defense? I don't know.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what they're doing.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: No, they're stuck.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I agree with you that I think LeBron going back
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: to Cleveland– The last two times LeBron has decided to
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: go somewhere, it was only kind of sort of basketball related.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Like he has his own reasons for doing things, which,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: by the way, is the case that most people have
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: when they change jobs.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, it's.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Not like it's not like every chef is trying to
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: go to McDonald's because they want to work for the
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: number one.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: This isn't you know, there's a million different reasons why
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: you wind up doing something. And so if he goes there,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I think there's less pressure on him there. than there
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: is anywhere else. I don't even know how much pressure
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: really matters to him anymore, but I do think that
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: that becomes a really weird fit.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: If you try to squeeze him in there.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, Harden declined the option, in theory,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: to open up money for them, and he was going
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: to sign elsewhere. Maybe there's a sign in trade, and
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Harden becomes a different piece, and then the team all
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: of a sudden makes more... If you could trade James
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Harden for a wing... Maybe that team makes more sense.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I think LeBron, and this is maybe totally naive as
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: a talking head, but I think LeBron has reached some
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: level of post-criticism. Like, where could he go that he
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: would really be criticized?
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're still playing in year 24.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right. It's out. Like, if he went to
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: the Spurs, like, I mean, yeah, he'd be ring-chasing. But
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: it would be Wemby's team. It would be understandable. It
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: would be an interesting, it would be a perfect basketball fit.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Like it is kind of what they, exactly what they need.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Like I don't really see a team that he could
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: go to where other than the people who just criticize
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: everything that LeBron does at every waking moment. Like if
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: he goes and plays in Golden State, it's like, okay,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: you're not trying to win. You're trying to hang out
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: with your boys. I get it. If you go to Cleveland,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: you're trying to go home. I get it. If you
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: go to South Beach, I don't think that team has
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: enough shooting to really win, but Miami seems cool. You've
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: won there before. Where other than, I guess, the Knicks,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: would he catch a ton of heat?
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Where I think it would be cool for him to
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: go to Miami is just to solidify getting the jerseys.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Retirement.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Like nobody, no one will wear number six there again
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: because Bill Russell, right? But, you know, it was a
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: little acrimonious on the way out of there. And, you know,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm now like really caught up
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: in jersey retirement stuff. For example, Kawhi Leonard is tying
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: up the loose ends in Toronto. to get the Jersey retirement.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's his reason.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: You don't think he was always getting, I mean, I.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: So this is my thought on that. I think, I think, right.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: I think it should have been a no brainer, but
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you do with a guy that
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: only was in town.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: For eight months. I think you put his jersey right
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: next to the one with the title.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: We don't have it.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: But this, I think, wrapping it up there, right? If
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: he comes in and helps Scottie Barnes, you tie it up.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: He's not apparently getting it in San Antonio because they
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: gave it away.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: They gave his number to Dylan Harper, which is crazy.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: That's up there with Denver and the fact that they
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: gave Anthony Randolph Carmelo's number before he even got to Jokic.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Like, come on, man.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Are you guys really that salty? around here about these things.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Right well like listen that's why the bulls like i
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: thought i thought it was deserved but like that's why
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: the bulls had to retire derrick rose's number they tried
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: to give out number one to somebody and like the
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: city mutinied.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: No no no that building is still on the west
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: side i forget.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Who it was but like for like a day This
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: dude wore number one and everyone was like, that's absolutely unacceptable. No, no,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: we're not having this.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Not having it.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Like, it's so sad that he became a polarizing figure
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: in Chicago because he means something so completely different to
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: that city. And what it like, what he represents from
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: the era in time that he came from is like, oh,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: come on, man.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: You guys. Yeah, it was. Listen, and Omar. A very
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: little of it was his fault with like misspeaking about
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: wanting to be able to like walk at meetings in
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: the future and stuff like that. Like he got some
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: bad advice, but yeah, no, the things that the bulls
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: organization did to hang him out to dry. And it
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: was terrible that the city turned on him. Now they're,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: they're all the way back, but it was that, that
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: was really rough. Do you think KD will have his
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Jersey retired anywhere?
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Golden state. They've made it clear. They're going to do that.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Someday Oklahoma city is going to get over it.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: They should, they got to, they should.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I think even with the title they won with Shea
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: and everything else, Kevin Durant's the most important player in
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: the history of the franchise. I think Russell Westbrook will
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: ultimately be the most beloved player just because of the,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: you know, it was what he did the year after
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Durant left.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: But no, no, no. They legitimized that franchise and made
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: that good immediately in that place that You know.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Very nice of the league to allow them to have
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: a team. And that is because of Kevin Durant. So
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: like I think Golden State will do it. And I
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: think that Oklahoma City, I still can't believe they still
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: boo him.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's the thing. That's I guess what was
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: kind of more in my in my head about it.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: And you're right. Golden State probably. Yeah, they should. They will.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the Oklahoma City thing is booing him is crazy, man.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: They are still mad, right?
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: I felt like a lot of that around him, there
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: was a certain mimicry to the way that we tolerated
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: the way that the people in Cleveland acted about LeBron.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: But when LeBron said he wanted to come back, a
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: lot of that, a lot of them are still mad,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: by the way. They didn't get over it, but they
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: were like, yeah, come on.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: That's what's happening in Miami. All that, man, fuck him, da-da-da-da.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Even at 41 years old, they're like.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: All right, come on. Yeah, it'd probably be better to
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: have the ball in LeBron's hand than Davion Mitchell. Come
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: on home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll forgive. We'll forgive.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll never forget this with LeBron in Miami because,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, Pat was salty, right?
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Like, they never entertained. It wasn't just that they hadn't entertained.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: The possibility that LeBron wouldn't come back. They really never
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: entertained the possibility he would go back to Cleveland after
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: that Dan Gilbert letter, and they felt like in so
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: many words, that they was the good white folks. Why
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: would you go back to that guy?
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: He talked about the way he talked about.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: You, right?
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: They just, LeBron, I mean, and to be fair, I
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: thought the same thing.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: That comics fan's letter was remarkable. Yeah, it was kind
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: of wild, man.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: LeBron had his own reasons and rationale. But Christmas that year,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: cleveland played in miami and they did the video tribute
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: that as i recall they did it but i don't
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: think pat was like too happy about it and i
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: remember lebron got really choked up because he got the
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: ovation and he didn't even want to fully acknowledge it
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: because you could tell it hit him in a much
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: different way like i think that he viewed miami as
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: a means to an end um yeah learn how to
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: win but it was also with like look man nothing
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: will ever be like what those four years were And
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: I think after he got past year one, I can't
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: imagine that he had more fun anywhere than he did
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: those middle two years in Miami. The NBA will never
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: feel like it felt, especially those middle two years in Miami.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: And so if he went back there, I think that
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: would be a tidier ending for all the stuff for
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: him in his career than it would be going to Cleveland.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: I think he already tied that up.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, he definitely tied it up. I just think, listen,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I'm clearly, we all try to get in his head,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: but I thought your business is in L.A., you're building
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: your mega mansion forever home in L.A., your kid is
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: on the team. I thought he was going to stay
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: in L.A. for forever. How could you, I'm not saying
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: he's bored of playing with Bronny, but how could you
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: play with your son in the NBA? And be like,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: I want to do something else.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, when the team is like.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Right, right. I get it.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: And also, he's clearly willing to take the minimum for
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of teams.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Not LA.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Not them.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right. No, that is correct. Because, yeah, that is
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: exactly right. But, so, I guess the storybook, it started here,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: it ends here. His.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Dwayne Wade isn't on the heat anymore, right? Like, sure,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: he has a relationship with Bam, but, like, man, I even, like, thought, like,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: could he go to the Wizards and do better than
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Jordan did with the Wizards and go play with AD
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: and DeBansa?
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Yo, that would be the most Jordan-obsessed thing that he
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: could possibly do would be to.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: Go to the Wizards, wear number 23. Right.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and, like, DeBansa, he's always complimented Trey Young's game. Sar... AD,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, the East. It's interesting. They didn't make
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: it on that whiteboard, and so I was like, oh, damn,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: all right, my half-baked idea didn't even come through. Didn't
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: even make the 10 teams on the whiteboard.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: LeBron remains compelling.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: And I say this again as somebody who's ready for
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: this to be over, but it is amazing. We just
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: start running through it, and it's like, wow, there are
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: still so many angles and so many things that surround him.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, I did... like a five minute, like somewhat
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: tongue in cheek, but somewhat real, like analysis of that
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: whiteboard on the show. I could have done three hours
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: and five minutes, like in my radio days, like it's
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: adding LeBron James at 42 on a minimum deal to
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: any team in the NBA is fast. Like the nuggets
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: were on the board. Yeah. Are they just going to
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: try to set the scoring record? Like Jamal Murray, LeBron
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: James and Jokic on the same team would be outrageous.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Everybody's always open.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: It would be outrageous. The things that would happen on
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: that team, Minnesota. Well, mellow ball and LeBron.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Hey man, have you seen, but have you seen these
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: pictures of LeBron? And if they're AI, I mean, you
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: never know these days, but these pictures of LeBron since
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: the season ended and his beard is like extra gray.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Lamello ball might make that shit fall out that's.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: What i'm saying like i i was thinking about chris
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: finch when like chris finch like it's like oh thank
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: god we traded uh julius ran he's moping around great
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get we're gonna get serious around here finally
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: hey coach we're bringing in lamello he's like what chris
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: finch is gonna have an aneurysm the poor.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Guy but I talked about this the other day, though.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: I think we're underselling what the high end of this
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: could be. Anthony Evans and LaMelo Ball in the same backcourt?
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Listen, I respect the swing, and I do think that
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: the argument of basically, like, Oklahoma City and San Antonio
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: exist in this world over here, and we need to
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: kind of do what, like, the Rockets did when Daryl
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Morey took the swing. Like, we just need to shoot
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: a ton of threes and be different than them. It's like, okay.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: LaMelo Ball makes you fast. He makes you different. He
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: gives you variance. He gives you upside. So I don't
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: hate it as much as apparently literally every other person
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: in the NBA.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Before we go, we have slipped on this with Danny
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Parkins the last couple of times he has come on.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: He is one of the people that we don't mind
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: when he likes to produce the show. And he came
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: on earlier and he shared with us before some dispatches
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: from the local newspaper of.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: His Westchester County burg.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Oh that he lives in and he has updates on
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: what's going on in the police blotter of his town it's.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: The highlight of my month when this comes out nothing
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: happens here and it's not because i forgot Beau. I
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: read it every month. The last couple of months were
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: not up to the right time for Monty Jones standards.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: But this month is an absolute banger. I have pulled five. Okay,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: here we go. A Ramsey Road homeowner reported that 11
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: tomatoes were stolen from her garden. And similar thefts happened
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: in the past. Police advised her to install video surveillance equipment.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: My question for you. Did this person call the police
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: on a squirrel?
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: That was the exact thought that I was having. Should
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: you be.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Calling animal control, ma'am? Should you be calling the squirrel catcher?
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Similar thefts have happened in the past. It's just an
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: all timeline. I believe... I believe this woman called the
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: cops on a squirrel. Hold on.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I would love if it's a person because if it's
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: a person, it's beef, right? In fact, if it was
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: a person, she would know who the person was.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Melissa is the subject. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know if a detective was assigned to the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: 11 tomatoes.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Yo, that's the thing.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: The detective at the D detective singular at that department.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Listen, everything about this to me, I recognize the privilege.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: I recognize the wealth. I recognize the absurdity. And I
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: genuinely feel bad for the law enforcement officials who get
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: their time wasted. And it frightens me that I walk
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: among these people that are like, this mild inconvenience happened
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: in my life. I'm dialing 911.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Also, keep in mind, you're still one of us now.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: It's only a matter of time before you become one
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: of them.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Dude. I hope not.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: I'm here to keep you in line.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. If you ever catch me being like,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: you know, I want to report this incident, just let
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: me know.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, here we go.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: A Maranek Avenue woman reported receiving an alarming text message
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: from a neighbor after she refused to give her six chickens.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: The neighbor texted she should watch out because actions have consequences.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: When contacted by police... The neighbor said she was frustrated
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: about the, quote, chicken situation, end quote, but would never
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: hurt her neighbor.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: I'm just curious what actions and consequences she's referring to.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: Like, I really want to get to the bottom of that.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Threats. We're making threats.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: We're making threats over chickens.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: It's incredible. Okay, here we go. Next one. Ooh, this
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: is good. This is what you got to call the
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: cops on. Very simple. One sentence. A Montrose Road homeowner
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: told police that a group of kids run through his
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: backyard to get to a nearby park, and he wants
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: them to stop. What has happened to society?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: Hey, man, let me tell you something about growing up
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: in suburbia.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: As a youngster, particularly as an Afro-American youngster in suburbia,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: The threat of somebody coming to knock, the cops coming
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: to knock on your door over triviality is always sky high.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Your brother, it's terrifying. Like that cut, let me tell you,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: the police go knock on the door about that cutting
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: across the yard.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: The yard cutting will in fact stop.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I know, but have we reached a point in society
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: where the neighbor can't just say to the kids, excuse me,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: don't run into my yard? Yeah, right, right, right.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: When did grownups stop being terrifying, right?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Like you should be able to- Pull up sternly. When
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: we had the cops called on us for that, it
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: was actually a young, well, he didn't say he was African-American.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: He said he was Jamaican, but he was our age.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Basically, we wanted him to come outside so we could
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: beat him up and he wouldn't come outside. So instead,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: we played basketball on his not very high goal and
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: dunked on it until it broke. And then we ran
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: away and then he called the cops. And you know
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: what I thought about it? I never saw that young
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: man after that. And I wish I had. Because he
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: called the fucking cops on us. It's been 30 years.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I beat his ass right now over that.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: And you'd be totally justified. There would be a jury
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: in the world that would convict you. Thank you. Two more.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Police responding to a report of a verbal dispute on
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Post Road found a woman shouting while talking on her phone.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: She told police she was frustrated over the high price
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: of gas. Don't tell me that suburbia can't be relatable, Beau.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: I see where she's coming from.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Although, I will tell you this, if you complain about
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: the high price of gas here, brother, I.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Rented a car in Europe.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: How'd that go?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: That's high price of gas. Though I see why they
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: be driving go-karts.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Or Vespas.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, I was like, I wish I hadn't
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: gotten the upgrade.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Nice flex, nice flex. I just love the idea that
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: this woman's talking loudly on her phone. I'm going to
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: get the police involved. And it's like, oh, that's the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: most relatable thing I've ever heard.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: All right. Last one. You remember earlier when we called
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: police on a squirrel. I have got a name for
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: this one as well. A caller told police a suspicious
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: potato chip bag dropped at the corner of Chase Road.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: It could contain harmful substances. Police examined the bag and
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: found it contained trash and threw it away. I believe this, Bo,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: is an incident of calling the police on track.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: They have to be so mad.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: 911, what's your emergency? There's a Lay's potato chip bag
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: at the corner of Chase Road.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: Somebody do something!
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: We'll get our best people on it, Johnson. On it.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: On it.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: On it. It's just gotta be.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Squad car pulls up.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: And what is the best and worst police job that
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: there is?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Correct. Correct. You're in no danger, probably pretty highly paid,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: fairly relaxing, but you did still have to go through
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: the academy and get trained.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: You did.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: And you never use any of it.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: Wow, does that place have an academy? Or do they
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: just have an orientation?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: I said this in my group chat, and my boys
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: were like, you need to contact the person at the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: newspaper and see if they're in on the bit. Do
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: they just publish 100% of the calls that the cops
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: get in a month? Or is this some sort of
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: comedy bit and they're aware of it? Because the fact
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: that the chicken situation was air-quoted made us think that
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: maybe there's someone at the local newspaper that has a
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: sense of humor.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: It's on the board.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. This is Danny Park.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: Check him out. First things first on FS1. My brother,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: Anytime, Bo. Thanks for having me on.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: All right, man.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: And ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us
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