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Licence To Kill: Drugs With Consequences—with Dr Mike Yeadon · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Charles Mallet with a UK column interview I
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  Speaker 1: have with me today doctor Mike Eden, who, among many
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  Speaker 1: other things, has a background in mechanistic toxicology. Mike sounded
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  Speaker 1: the alarm in twenty twenty with a claxon horn and
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  Speaker 1: was almost immediately smothered in insulating foam of the densest
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  Speaker 1: kind by both the establishment and the mainstream media, making
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  Speaker 1: him one of the most censored and smeared men in
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  Speaker 1: the UK. Mike, very warm welcome to UK column and
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  Speaker 1: thank you very much indeed for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's great to be speaking with you, Charles. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for the invitation, and to the extent some of your
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  Speaker 2: audience might not know me or anything about me, I'm
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  Speaker 2: excited to have a chance to let them have some
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  Speaker 2: truth bombs.
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  Speaker 1: Really so well on that note, and therefore you know
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  Speaker 1: with where we're going to go in mind, which will
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  Speaker 1: definitely be into waters that might be described as rather
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  Speaker 1: choppy and certainly covering subjects that are still very controversial
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  Speaker 1: to this day. I think it's very important that we
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  Speaker 1: set out your professional background, specifically that within the pharmaceutical industry.
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  Speaker 1: So in summary form, would you just describe your passage
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  Speaker 1: through the pharmaceutical industry and indeed your qualifications that carried
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  Speaker 1: you through that process.
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  Speaker 2: I went through university late for all sorts of reasons,
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  Speaker 2: but I went very commissed. At twenty one, I took
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  Speaker 2: a biochemistry and Toxic quality degree. It was a joint
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  Speaker 2: honors four year course. I was privileged to be assigned
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  Speaker 2: to work at secret establishments like Portland Down and also
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  Speaker 2: the Algamarsten Forensic Science HQ, so I had security clearance
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  Speaker 2: in the eighties. I was proud to say I got
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  Speaker 2: a very good first class honors degree. And this is
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  Speaker 2: on typical of bricks to say that, but one of
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  Speaker 2: the people who gave me my certificate said, this is
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  Speaker 2: the highest score in a four year degree ever awarded
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  Speaker 2: in this school of arctical scientists. So the reason I
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  Speaker 2: worked so hard is because I screwed up really at
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  Speaker 2: school and couldn't go to university. Spent two of three
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  Speaker 2: years working outside with hard hat stealk tocap boots, being
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  Speaker 2: complete fish out of water. So I got to university
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  Speaker 2: excited to seize the opportunity, and boy I did. And
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  Speaker 2: then after that first class honors degree, I took a PhD.
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  Speaker 2: So it's training in the scientific method and applied training,
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  Speaker 2: and I studied the I looked at respiratory pharmacology, the
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  Speaker 2: effects of drugs on respiration, and my specialty was what
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  Speaker 2: to opiate drugs like morphine do to breathing. What an
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  Speaker 2: amazing coincidence given what was to ensue in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 2: got that to that PhD, and then I joined pharmaceutical industry.
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  Speaker 2: I spent seven years that was what was then the
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  Speaker 2: Welcome Research Labs, now part of GSK. And then after that,
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety five, I went to Peiser and that
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  Speaker 2: there I spent the rest of my big farmer career.
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  Speaker 2: While at Pfeiser, I became the most senior research person
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  Speaker 2: in the company, responsible for allergic and respiratory disease therapeutics.
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  Speaker 2: I left in twenty eleven because Pfeiser was shrinking and
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  Speaker 2: closed it to UK R and D base in Kent.
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  Speaker 2: And after that I was fifty one, supremely fit. I'd
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  Speaker 2: taken on marathon running in the previous eight years, and
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  Speaker 2: I thought, I don't want to try and get a
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  Speaker 2: job in a foreign country because there were opportunities only
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  Speaker 2: to work in similar positions abroad, and so I'll decide
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  Speaker 2: to become an independent I did have a couple of
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  Speaker 2: approaches from people whose companies I have evaluated as potential
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  Speaker 2: acquisition targets. I looked at about one hundred companies, and
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  Speaker 2: a couple said, you did a very thorough job and
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  Speaker 2: nice to work with. Would you like to consult to
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  Speaker 2: our new biotech So I got an introduction to biotech. Now,
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  Speaker 2: those are small private companies that hope to get bought
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  Speaker 2: by big beer moths, or to float on the stock
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  Speaker 2: market and become darling to the stock market, and so on.
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  Speaker 2: So over the twenty eleven to twenty twenty nine year period,
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  Speaker 2: I consulted to about thirty biotechs, mostly private finance and
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  Speaker 2: mostly in the respiratory and inflammation area. Along the way, though,
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  Speaker 2: somebody who was an investor with one of my first clients, said, well,
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  Speaker 2: what's happening to all the compounds you used to work
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  Speaker 2: on at Pfizer? And I said, well, they're probably going
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  Speaker 2: and skip in the dumpster because Fiser is shrinking, not
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  Speaker 2: just moving. And they said, you know, you should, You should.
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  Speaker 2: You could raise a bit of and spin those compounds
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  Speaker 2: out and make something happen, And that thought led eighteen
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  Speaker 2: months later to the founding of a private company called
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  Speaker 2: z Rco Zarco, and I was the founder and CEO.
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  Speaker 2: Along with a couple of good colleagues from Pfiser. We
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  Speaker 2: spun out some compounds from PISA, raised a bit more money,
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  Speaker 2: and through hard work, luck and good judgment and mixture,
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  Speaker 2: we converted a very early stage compound into something that
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  Speaker 2: had passed clinical proof of concepts, so it looked like
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  Speaker 2: it would work in a formal large trial. In brief,
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  Speaker 2: a bidding war not inspired by me. I was just
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  Speaker 2: a technical describer, but supported by people who are old
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  Speaker 2: hands in how to make something attractive and to get
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  Speaker 2: a bidding war going. The bidding war started, and by
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  Speaker 2: I think it was December twenty sixteen, Nevatis and we
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  Speaker 2: signed an agreement to sell them lay to buy, and
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  Speaker 2: so by early twenty seventeen I made a decent chunk
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  Speaker 2: of money and I went onto a position where I
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  Speaker 2: was assuming a little bit of light consulting because people
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  Speaker 2: asked me, and that continued till twenty twenty. My wife
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  Speaker 2: is always keen that I should not say I'm retired
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  Speaker 2: pharmaceutical company executive. I kind of am now I've been
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  Speaker 2: retired because all of my clients fired me during summer
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty saying it's nothing personal, but people are saying
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  Speaker 2: this conspiracy theory guy. You can't have him as an advisor,
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  Speaker 2: you can't have him on our board. It rid of them.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, So that was the end. And from twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 2: probably spring twenty twenty until the present day, I have
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  Speaker 2: done some work every day, often twelve hours a day
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  Speaker 2: in the early stages, attempting to warn people that what
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  Speaker 2: we were being told was not true and for my pains.
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  Speaker 2: As you said, I have been smeared more in the
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  Speaker 2: past than the presence and censored. It's so it's so
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  Speaker 2: strong the censorship that if it wasn't serious, it would
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  Speaker 2: be funny. So I cannot appear under my own name
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  Speaker 2: on any of the major platforms on the internet, social
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  Speaker 2: media and so on. I'm allowed only I can browse,
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  Speaker 2: I can send emails, and I can only post in
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  Speaker 2: my own name as far as I know, on an
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  Speaker 2: app called Telegram t E L E G R A M.
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  Speaker 2: And even then there are fakers using my name, so
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  Speaker 2: you have to look for drm Eden solo channel in Telegram.
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  Speaker 2: So that's one place and the other one is self
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  Speaker 2: publishing app called sub Stack. One word sub st a
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  Speaker 2: c K and that's it. So when people snort and say, well,
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard of either of those, I say, quite,
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  Speaker 2: that's why I'm allowed to be there, nowhere else. So
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  Speaker 2: there you go. And I would say to people before
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  Speaker 2: we listen to any of my evidence, no one is
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  Speaker 2: paying me anything. I've made it a policy which I've
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  Speaker 2: stuck to, not even to accept expenses on the rare
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  Speaker 2: occasions I've traveled. So I've made not pence deliberately and
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity cost has been several hundred thousand pounds probably,
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  Speaker 2: And I'm doing it because what I'm telling you is,
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  Speaker 2: to the best of my knowledge true, and what's going
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  Speaker 2: on is absolutely terrifying. You know, everything's been made up.
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  Speaker 2: The country and the West are being decivilized by parts.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing I'm absolutely certain about is the so
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  Speaker 2: called COVID nineteen injections are not what they see. And
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  Speaker 2: I know, Charles, we want to return to that. So
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  Speaker 2: that's my background. I would finally say, I do not
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  Speaker 2: claim to know every detail. I've probably said some things
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  Speaker 2: that are wrong because I do not have a copy
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  Speaker 2: of the script. It's not my crime, I would regard
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  Speaker 2: this as me. I don't think it's a medical or
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  Speaker 2: scientific event at all. This is a crime event with
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  Speaker 2: medical and scientific characteristics, as the Chinese say. And so
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  Speaker 2: because it's not my crime, and I can't get very
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  Speaker 2: close to this scene of the crime, like the vaccines
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  Speaker 2: being made and so on, so imagine how difficulty is
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  Speaker 2: trying to work out who did what and you can't
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  Speaker 2: even get to the crime scene personally examine the evidence.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the thing. If what I was saying was
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  Speaker 2: not true, even I've maligned people and companies, I would
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  Speaker 2: put it to your audience that they would have either
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  Speaker 2: sued me or sought an injunction to get me to
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  Speaker 2: shut up. None of those two things has ever happened. Instead,
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  Speaker 2: what's happened is unbelievable levels of insulting, smearing, which when
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  Speaker 2: I was not ready for it and didn't handled very well,
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  Speaker 2: and four and a half five years worth of amusing censorship,
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  Speaker 2: including modifying search results in main browsers. So if you
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  Speaker 2: use Safari or Google and search for my name, you
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  Speaker 2: will get largely you know, Reuter's hit pieces and so on.
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  Speaker 2: If you use Minority. I don't know if it's a
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  Speaker 2: word search engines or browsers whatever. But if you use
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  Speaker 2: ducks up, go or I can't remember what the one
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  Speaker 2: is I use mostly begins with yandex y A NDX,
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  Speaker 2: and there are several others. If you search, then you
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  Speaker 2: get a massively different set of hits. And I put
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  Speaker 2: it again to the audience, most of us think of
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  Speaker 2: search as being a commodity. It more or less does
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  Speaker 2: what it says on the team. You put search title
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  Speaker 2: in hit return, and it should find the most relevant titles.
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  Speaker 2: That's not what happens with things that the people I
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  Speaker 2: call the perpetrators because they don't know who they are,
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  Speaker 2: but things they don't want you to find easily, they
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  Speaker 2: literally demote them so they're either off the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: the screen or and not return to it at all.
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  Speaker 2: And the evidence for that is if you go to
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  Speaker 2: small private browsers, they can't sabotage all of them. They
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  Speaker 2: don't own all of them. And I say that if
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  Speaker 2: you find very different hits about a topic, when you
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  Speaker 2: compare Google and Starry with all of the other minor ones,
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  Speaker 2: you should have flashing red lights. It means someone has
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  Speaker 2: gone to the trouble to change the algorithm in such
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  Speaker 2: a way that when these search terms or people are
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  Speaker 2: looked for, you don't get the answer that you don't
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  Speaker 2: get the true situation. You instead get in search of propaganda.
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  Speaker 2: So why do people get censored? It's because they're saying
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  Speaker 2: the things that the sensors don't like. Why do they
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  Speaker 2: smeare them similarly? But from my side, what possible motive
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  Speaker 2: could there be? If anyone can find any evidence I've
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  Speaker 2: received a penny, I will immediately make a recording and
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  Speaker 2: stop talking because it would prove I'm a shield. But
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  Speaker 2: I can say that confidently because I've not received a
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  Speaker 2: penny from anybody. So what's my motive? Then? Money? I'm
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  Speaker 2: quite a shy person by nature, Although I can be
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  Speaker 2: social gregearous when I need to. It's called an extroverted
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  Speaker 2: auxiliary and it's exhausting. I prefer to be on my
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  Speaker 2: own with my family or in my workshop fiddling with
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  Speaker 2: old machinery. So why am I thrusting myself out here?
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  Speaker 2: Why am I being attacked? Why am I not making
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  Speaker 2: any money? The answer is because what I'm telling you is,
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  Speaker 2: to the best of my knowledge, is true, and we
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  Speaker 2: are we are under assault. This is not a mistake,
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  Speaker 2: It's not an over and the more you look, the
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  Speaker 2: more you see that all the bits are leading towards
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  Speaker 2: a very unpleasant endgame. And you can put the head
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  Speaker 2: in the sound if you like. Not my choice, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm not doing it. I want my children and grandchildren
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  Speaker 2: to have a slice of the free life I have
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  Speaker 2: felt I have had so with that. That's really you
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  Speaker 2: either believe me at this stage mistakes and awe or
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  Speaker 2: you don't, So it's up to you.
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  Speaker 1: I certainly do believe you, and thank you very much
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  Speaker 1: Deve for a really comprehensive foundation to what is going
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  Speaker 1: to turn out to be an extraordinary interview in many ways.
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  Speaker 1: I would also say that from a UK column perspective,
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  Speaker 1: your censorship, of course, is something that we touch on
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  Speaker 1: a lot. It's a very persistent theme and I can
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  Speaker 1: absolutely testify that searching your name anywhere will really only
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  Speaker 1: produce results suggesting that you're a nuisance with a chemistry
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  Speaker 1: set who should be put to one side and disregarded
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  Speaker 1: for evermore.
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  Speaker 2: If you search doctor Mike E. Silver bullet two separate
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  Speaker 2: words for some reason at the moment, you can find
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  Speaker 2: that using most browsers, so in that twenty two minute talk.
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  Speaker 2: There are several slides as it works, that contain the
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  Speaker 2: web addresses where you can find me if you want to.
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  Speaker 2: So if I don't say anything else, if you find
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  Speaker 2: Silver Bullet, you will have in front of you the
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  Speaker 2: resources to research this chap to heart's content. So that
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  Speaker 2: was an important thing to get across perfect.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're furiously scrabbling for a pen and paper,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry because that will be in the notes for
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  Speaker 1: this interview. So Silver, but it would absolutely be in
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  Speaker 1: the notes. And of course the other point that you
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  Speaker 1: make very well is the fact that you are not
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  Speaker 1: being pursued by people wanting to sue you or put
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  Speaker 1: out injunctions. And I think that is something absolutely worth
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  Speaker 1: bearing in mind for anybody wavering who may under I
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  Speaker 1: hope obviously that they will encounter this interview. Now, a
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  Speaker 1: last part of what we want to talk about concerns
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  Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical industry. I look this morning Pisa that their
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  Speaker 1: website declares that they now have a total of eighty
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  Speaker 1: eight thousand employees across two hundred countries. You yourself, obviously
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  Speaker 1: have spent considerable part of your career working for Peiser.
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  Speaker 1: It would be outlandish to suggest that they are all
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  Speaker 1: malevolent people. However, there is a requirement for such a
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  Speaker 1: company to achieve profit for its shareholders. What, in your
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  Speaker 1: view now are the motives of those that run pharmaceutical companies,
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  Speaker 1: Pfizer being a particular example. Is it just profit or
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  Speaker 1: is it more than that?
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  Speaker 2: On this point, I have to speculate, because I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I would say, in my career, which was I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: thirty five years in big farmer and biotech and so on,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I came across more than two or
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  Speaker 2: three like things that amounted to fraud. They were local,
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  Speaker 2: they were personal, you know, people ending that literally didn't
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  Speaker 2: get the results they wanted, so they literally made them up,
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  Speaker 2: and I caught them up one occasion early in my career,
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  Speaker 2: I went mentioned in the companies why it doesn't help you,
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  Speaker 2: But basically, I'd allowed myself to be recruited to a
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  Speaker 2: position which I could technically have carried off, but for
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  Speaker 2: which I didn't have the level of personal confidence and maturity.
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  Speaker 2: So I allowed myself to be flattered. I arrived and
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  Speaker 2: within a few months I discovered that my peer we
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  Speaker 2: were together running this search department he was cheating. And
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  Speaker 2: when I said, you know, I may have a mistake,
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  Speaker 2: he but this can't possibly be true, and he said
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  Speaker 2: his famous his phrase was I won't be carrying the basket.
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  Speaker 2: Why a basket over my head when the sh one
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  Speaker 2: t comes down. Anyway, I'm so upset that it was
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  Speaker 2: noticed by our mutual boss. The next day, I was
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  Speaker 2: invited to a meeting with him, and when I arrived,
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  Speaker 2: there was my peer and I sat down and this
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  Speaker 2: guy looked at me and we chatted for a few moments,
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  Speaker 2: and he said, you know, no one's interested in what
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  Speaker 2: you've got to say. I said, what what do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: He said, the head of R and D already knows.
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  Speaker 2: The site head already knows. So because basically they were
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  Speaker 2: planning to advance a compound. It wasn't dangerous. It just
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  Speaker 2: I thought it would make people sick, and that's what
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  Speaker 2: it did. So it didn't hurt and it didn't cause
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  Speaker 2: any damage, but it probably wasted twenty million as solars.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason they were going to do it is
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  Speaker 2: if they didn't do it, they wouldn't get their share
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  Speaker 2: options and bonuses. And because they'd had a failure of
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  Speaker 2: the previous year to hit their targets. They were worried
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  Speaker 2: the site would close, and I remember saying to my boss,
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  Speaker 2: I said, I'm not doing this. I said, there's no
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  Speaker 2: point in being a scientist if when you don't get
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  Speaker 2: the answer you want, you just make it up. He said,
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  Speaker 2: what are you going to do? I said, I left
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  Speaker 2: his office. Anyway, I resigned, and I was at the
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  Speaker 2: time thirty one. I was the only bread winner. We
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  Speaker 2: had our first child, who was a prematurely born baby.
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  Speaker 2: So to those who say, oh, I can't speak out
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  Speaker 2: I've got a mortgage, it's like I could not have
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  Speaker 2: said I wasn't being brave. I couldn't cope. I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I knew I couldn't work in a place that was
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  Speaker 2: just riven with fraud. That was the worst one. There
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  Speaker 2: were a couple of other minor examples. But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: I never came across anyone who was intent on evil.
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  Speaker 2: And I think most of the people like me joined
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  Speaker 2: industry because, honestly, it's to be paid to tinker with
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  Speaker 2: chemicals and biologicals and petradishes and test tubes. As my
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  Speaker 2: wife would say, we didn't use those, but that's that
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  Speaker 2: was her idea of a lab to be paid to
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  Speaker 2: tinker and do experiments and come up with ideas and talk.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I like talking. It was a wonderful career.
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  Speaker 2: And what we were trying to do understand how bits
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  Speaker 2: of the body work, this was respiratory analogy. When it
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  Speaker 2: went wrong, why that was what you might possibly be
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  Speaker 2: able to do about it, to make things a bit
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  Speaker 2: better without harming people. That's our induct drug R and D.
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  Speaker 2: That's all we ever wanted to do. So we'd be
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  Speaker 2: discussing pathways and what drugs feel and so on. The
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  Speaker 2: worthy odd as I say, people who were either they're
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  Speaker 2: not really they weren't interested in that very much, very
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  Speaker 2: much money. But to your question, it's probably not going
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  Speaker 2: to be a popular opinion. And I hope people don't
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  Speaker 2: think I'm protecting the industry because I think they are
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  Speaker 2: on this occasion the tools of even more powerful people,
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  Speaker 2: basically the moneyed people. I think using the pharmaceutical industry
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  Speaker 2: and doctors generally had been trusted by people was a
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  Speaker 2: great way to be able to basically access you and
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  Speaker 2: your health condition and your arm in the end, So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're not innocents. They all of these big companies as
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  Speaker 2: we know, have had scandals where they've been found out
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: to have been continuing to sell a drug after they
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: knew it was harmful. You know, I'm afraid it's happened
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: to every one of them. Pizer, I think, has been
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: subject to the largest aggregate criminal vines for misconduct like that.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're in the slightest innocent. I do
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: not think the drug industry thought up this plan and
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: then sprung it on the world. That's not what happened.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know who started it, but ultimately came down.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I think through the financial the owners of capital in
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: the world decided what to do. It's a long time
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: running up to it. There's loads of evidence of rehearsals
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: of lots of components of what has happened, and arceutical
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: industry were an ivy or vehicle. So that's what I
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: would say. Chance they are involved, I don't think they
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: were the authors.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Going back into those that were working alongside you, specifically
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: at Pfizer, and as you say, they have over the
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: years accumulated an enormous tally of fines and various i've
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: court settlements and all the rest of it. If you
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: can sort of cast your mind back then. And I
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: think I just prefixed this by saying I think we
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: are all guilty at times of being quick to judge
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: from a certain perspective but actually not necessarily giving the
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. But if you cast your mind
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: back to that time, you know, for example, the Bextra
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: scandal in two thousand and nine, how does it feel
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to be part of an organization that has done that
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and effectively, like you say, knowingly conducted criminal activities that
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: ultimately lead to harming humans.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: It did lots of people as a result of the
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: decision to continue selling this so called Cox two inhibitor.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I'm sure a number of people died. I couldn't tell
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: you how many. That was a cold, calculating decision. How
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: did it feel? We were beeping furious? Honestly, people who
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: work in research and development, four or five thousand miles
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: away from HQ, having nothing to do with marketing decisions
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: or anything like or anything like that, we were not happy.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Should we all have resigned? I don't know. If you
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: work for an oil company, should you resign after an
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: oil spell, especially if you feel they cut costs and
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: allowed that to happen. It's very difficult knowing what I
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: know now. What I can tell you is this, I
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: don't mind being having been fired by my biotech clients.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I would not accept a commission now to any part
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: of this industry. Not because the people who might ask
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: me are crooks. They're not all crooks, but because I
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: now understand so constitutionally, at its highest level, these companies
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: are just are ruthless and will do whatever it takes
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: to maximize their profit, even if it hurts or kills
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: you or your children. That's not the same as like
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: pretending not to notice. I think it's much more active.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: It's much more active than that. Yeah, And because I was,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I think the phrase is to be a normally until
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty, I was a very middle of the road person.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I watched the BBC, I listened to Radio four for
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: forty one years. In the morning, I get a thick
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Sunday paper every weekend. And I don't think it ever
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: occurred to me that I wasn't being told the truth. No,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I just if you're not prompted to ask why are
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: these news items being presented to you in this way today?
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Because the first time you're asked that you or because
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: those are the most important things have happened in the
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: last twenty four hours. It's like, really, is that what
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: you think? So I didn't. I had never questioned the industry.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I thought, for example, with these finds, that it would
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: have been a sales team, a project manager perhaps, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: a board member and they all said, look, this is
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: what's happening. If we fess up, we're going to lose
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: out on five billion of sales. But it might not
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: be real. You know, maybe if we did a bigger study,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: it would go away. People can persuade themselves of all
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: sorts of stuff, and it's like, okay, continue and let
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: me give some thoughts as to how I will summarize
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: the current situation to the board. Well, you know it,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: there's a full blown conspiracy that involved no more than
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: a bit of selfishness and target orientation. So that's what
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I that's what I thought had happened. And I think
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: partly I thought that would happen had happened, was that
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: if it was more systematic than that. And I didn't
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: give any thoughts of that, But had it been, it's like,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: why wouldn't there be many more criminal activities. You know,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: there were two big ones while I while I was
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: there two thousand and nine was one of them. But
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I was there seventeen years. It turns out they were
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: being fined every few months for misleading advertising or promoting
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: something outside of the label. I just thought it was
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: like hyper competitive salespeople's behavior and people who were meant
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to be charge in charge of them really not exerting
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: themselves properly, and occasionally board members just looking the other way.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: You know. Plausible deniability, Yeah, that I don't. I have
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: no idea how many people in any of these companies
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: have even as much knowledge as I have, because I've
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: done nothing else for four and a half years. And
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: you know, without ragging, I was quite good at my job.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I was. My boss used to say I had a
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: remarkable facility of joining finding patterns in sparse before other
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: people did. It's like, how did you know that is?
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm probably working models in my head
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and then suddenly things come together and I think, my god,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: that could be it. All right the other possibilities and
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: pursue it. I was wrong mostly, We're all wrong mostly
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: in science, but I was right slightly more often than
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: my peers persistently, and that that's what's given me the
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: ability to look at this stuff. So I'm fairly I
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: won't bother to name them again. I have named people
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: who were former colleagues now in public health, and I've
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: named them. You know, I accused them of saying things
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: that weren't true. I named some examples and said I
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: named them and said, look, if if I am wrong,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: you need to correct me or assue me. But nothing,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: no such thing happened. So those people, I think I
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: will credit them with being very bright. You don't get
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: to be that seenior if you're not very bright. How
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: do they know what the big picture is? I don't know.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: You don't need to. The thing about this a source
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: on humanity, which is what it amounts to, is you
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: only need to do your bits and then all the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: other players do their bit. You need hardly anybody to
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: understand the overall, the overall things. So if you're manufacturing
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: these so called mRNA based vaccines, nobody production has any
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: idea of what it is that's been made. The computer
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: is telling the synthesis machine what sequence to make, and
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: then it's being purified, bottle labeled, packed, and so on.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't blame anyone in production for what
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: happens subsequently. Looks just the same as all the other
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: biological product liquids production people in research. If I had
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: been there, I bet you I'd not have spotted it
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: because it would have been done in the vaccine department
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: thousands of miles away. They wouldn't ask me. I wouldn't
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: have thought about it, So it's quite I have said
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: to people, I think it is possible. You could have
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: no more than about two people, probably a lot more.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: You need to have the CEO, probably the chief by
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, legal counsel, a couple of others, and
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: also the person who designed the im thing, someone like me.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: You only need one or two people, that's all you need.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: So the idea that half my former colleagues know they've
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: been attempting to injure people, and that's obviously not plausible,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: that's not I've never said that, and I don't think
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: it's likely. But I will say I have spoken to
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: at least three former colleagues, all of whom are now retired,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: and they've all said, you're quite right. It's horrifying, isn't it.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: So I haven't encountered anyone who has looked at what
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I've said, or what I've written and written or said
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: a rebuttal, and if I'm right, would be trivial. Why
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: haven't two hundred well qualified scientists written a dismantling of
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: this Madden Neednce suggestions no one has done so in
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: four and a half years. But I've been smeared and sensored,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: So I've not been injuncted rebutted, only smeared and sensor
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: And I think it's respectfully because I'm correct. Why they're
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: doing all of this, I don't really know. That would
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: be total speculation, but that you are, that you have
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: been frightened deliberately, and the endgame has included getting most
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: of you to worry sleeve at to receive an injection
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: that there's no question that's a thick part of what's
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: gone on. That were loads more I'm not aware of,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: but it's in my as they say in America, it's
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: in my wheelhouse. I'm not wrong about that. Please don't
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: get injected with these MR and A shots more of
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: being manufactured. They will also be ineffective, unnecessary, and dangerous.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: So if you think nothing else from this interview, go
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: and watch Silver Bullet and see if you really feel
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: like having another injection.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: It's such a useful insight into the effectively, the microscopic
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: level of conspiracy required in order to create an extraordinary
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: effect magnified and multiplied so many times. I think that'd
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: be very useful for people who obviously don't have your
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: background and experience. Now, you made a very important point
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: about connecting sparse bits of data, and in some of
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: our email correspondents you related an extraordinary story about the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: inadvertent or apparently inadversion inadvertent creation of dioxin, which of
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: course is the active ingredient in agent orange used to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: devastating effect as a herbicide by the Americans in Vietnam.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Before we go into the details of the mRNA platforms
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: and that side of it, will you just describe that
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: story and how it turned out.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Yep, I will. So there was industrial plants around the
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: world that basically they make things and they combine ingredients.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: So you add A and B, boil it whatever. So
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: you add A and B under control conditions and get
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: C with other impurities, and the remaining A and B
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: you have to purify products C and then you add
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: it back into a new clean vessel and add E
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: T to make EAT and so on. It's called a
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: multi step synthesis. It's quite expensive. The industry is very
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: good at doing that, and just occasionally, despite all their
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: best efforts, something goes wrong. So they don't like reactions
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: that produce heat as a product. It's called exothermic reaction.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And in a place, I think it was surveys in Italy,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: some chemicals were being synthesized and it was one of
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: these reactions that gets hot. When you add a to
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: be it's hot, and they lost control of it and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the plant blew up, and in the heat of the
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: reaction and then the explosion, a chemical it's two three
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: seven eight tetrachlorobenzo dioxin, better known as dioxin, was formed.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: And these are poly aromatic structures that you might remember
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: benzenes like a hexagon at a circle in the middle
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: that's hohaps represented. And these structures were had several of
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: these benzine rings, and those are almost always toxic to
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: living things, and so dioxin is like a variant of that,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: blown up in kilogram concerts and blown across the country,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: and over subsequent weeks, months, and years, we learned quite
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: a lot about how unpleasant this material is. So it
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: was a tatogen. It caused sill birth. It produces spectacular
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: derangements of the skin off and on the face and
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: the neck, and you end up with a sym syndrome
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: called chloracne, and in the long term it can cause cancer.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: The reason I mentioned that is two things. One is,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: while at university there was at the time a degree
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: course called Mechanistic toxicology or something like that, and it
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: was run out of an institute occupied by three or
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: four professors who had each specialized in trying to work
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: out how it was that industrial chemicals or occasionally drugs
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: had injured people. And they'd come up with about fifteen
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: separate mechanisms from asperinto dioxin and so on. And they
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: were chatting and they said, look, we could run a
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: course on this would be very helpful to allow people
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: to understand what goes wrong, because all of these are
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: things to avoid. Things like this should be red flags
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: when you're designing structures and molecules. So I had elected
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: to go on that course, and this was one of
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the classics of mechanistic toxicology dioxin. And the reason this
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: was relevant is while I was at pisas my second
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: big farmer's job. I've been there a year or so,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: and I happened to notice one of my chemistry college
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: was scratching his neck and I said, you know, I said,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I really saw what's going on. He said, I don't know.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I've been used to have spots as a kid. He's
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: in his thirties and he said, I've just got this
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: terrible rash. And it's not only me, it's like two
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: others in the lab. Anyway, sparse data guy being my
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: light bulb comes on because I thought, well, there's something's
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: going on. I think the next dale of the day
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: after I was reviewing where we were with this program.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: We were using a series of molecules to try and
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: reduce allergy. And the chemicals that we were using, I
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: looked at the structures. Because I studied biochemistry, I like structures.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Most biologists can't draw chemical structures, but because I've done
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: buy a chemistry, I loved drawing structures like ball and stick.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: So I was looking at the chemistry structures and this
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: light went off and it was like they look a
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: bit like bioxin. There was the same basic structure, and
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: my colleagues have got this rash. So I went back
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: to my lecture notes and see a bit of searching.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: And then about an hour later I went around to
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: my peer in chemistry and said, I could be wrong.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I think you're accidentally making darksing analogs and they have chloracne.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: It was like what Anyway, Within twenty four hours, the
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: head of chemistry closed the lap down, taped it up,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: and assigned me and one other person to take samples
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: work with occupational health to get these people looked at.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: And I found a researcher in Horrand who was running
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: a bioassay for dark sing like compounds, and yet weirdly
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: invented something that was like darks in, only more potent
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: by accident. And yes they were suffering from chloracne. So
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: of course the program was closed. And have to say,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: to his credit ahead of chemistry medicinal chemistry, Defiser wrote,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: wrote this episode up and published it as widely as
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: he could to warn all others, and it's now even
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: on databases. So I make this I tell this little
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: story because I've said in my talks that when I
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: looked at the structure the design of these so called vaccines,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I put it to you that all pharmaceutical drugs are
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: made by someone choosing to add a molecule here or not.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: You know, all of the answer of choices. Everything in
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: the bottle of the tabot or the cream is there
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: because someone chose it, and they chose it for a
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: reason to stabilize it or to help it be absorbed
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: or whatever change the potency. So I was looking at
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: the structures of the vaccine just like I looked at
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: structures of molecules like thirty whatever it was thirty years ago,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and I can immediately see several ways in which I
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: would expect these injections to hurt. You didn't spot all
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: of them. But having that toxicology mechanism, toxicology background, being
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: in the drug industry for thirty plus years, it means
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I can look over the shoulder of virtually look over
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: the shoulder of the designer and think, what were you
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: trying to do when you design that like that? And
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: so as a consequence, I was fairly or by the
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: end of twenty twenty that I would expect blood clots,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: heart injury, certainly blood clots in the brain, and I
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: thought there would be impacts on facility, and I only
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: got about tints of it, but those things I was
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: sure of. And so with a German public health Dr.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Wolfgang Vodarg, we wrote you at the time the largest
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: scientifically we thought, scientifically rational reason why you shouldn't approve these.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: So we wrote to the regulator saying, please don't approve these.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: This was before they were even authorized, because we're worried
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: people will be harmed or killed. And within twenty four
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: hours my life changed. Censorship went from being a little
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: annoyed with me on Twitter to the BBC Emma Barnett's
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: someone senior from the Royal College of Obstetrics and garn
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Ecology who to this day should be ashamed of itself,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: came on and on a Women's Hour program they recorded
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: it said I'm so furious with these conspiracies. I am
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: going to name him doctor Mike Eden is telling lies
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: and misinformation. And then this other lady from the Royal
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: College of Obstetricians and guy in college you said, there
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: is absolutely wrong, perfectly safe in pregnancy. Indeed you must
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: take them right. That's how much my life changed. In
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: twenty four hours and it never got better. It's but yeah,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I was beeping across that day when one of my
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: daughters sent me this interview on women's hout. Anyway, so
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I wrote them a blistering message saying, if you don't
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: withdraw that, I'm going to sue you because several of
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: the things you've said I've said I didn't and other
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: things you've said I've said that are wrong are indeed correct,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: and I can prove it. You've got twenty four hours.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: It took the segment down. Ladies and gentlemen, they took
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: it down. I probably should have sued them, but you know,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I'm just an ordinary guy. I don't want to sue anybody. Also,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I probably make lawyers rich and lose eighting mone of
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: my life. That's what I guess, so I thought I'll
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: just keep speaking. So anyway, Yeah, so that thank you
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: for asking that prompt question. I can claim that I
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: don't think. I think I'm the most qualified form of
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: pharmaceutical research person in the world. Speaking out doesn't mean
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I'm right about everything, but this is my field of
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: expertise since I was an undergrounduate all the way to
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: my sixties. I'm not wrong. We said this would happen
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: before the injections world out that and more deed happen,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: and I'm still smeared, sensored, not injunctured. Make your own
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: minds up. It's like, don't let them do this to you,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: and be aware that this injecting you. It is all
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: part of many other things going on. But for more details,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: go and do some non Google searching and maybe stick
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: me on in the background. Even if you think I'm
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: a lunatic, you know, you might find it amusing.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I think this is a key thing.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Obviously there's not now to explore every single avenue of
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: detailed research that you've gone into and that exists out there.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: But the reason I asked the question about dioxin was
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: that it elicited, presumably that the correct response by protocol,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: which was to observe the fact that safety was a concern.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Now you've stated that the m R and A design
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: of vaccine was specific in order to injure kill and
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: reduce fertility in sort of summary form and layman's terms,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: How is it that you've come to that conclusion specifically
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: if I.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Communicate nothing but why that will be that will be
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: a good result. So people like me, you know, it
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: was quite good at my job, but I'm not genius.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: There are lots of people with similar experiences, qualifications, you know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: in skill sets and so on, including the peer at
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: my appears. Whoever it was that designed these things, that
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: wasn't someone in a bank. It would have been someone
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: with pharmaceutical R and D experience. So that means over time,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: people like me know the kinds of things that you
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: must avoid the kind of classics of toxicology, things that
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: have gone wrong either in an industrial concept context like
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I said, or like the lid a mide. You know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: a something allegedly for morning sickness, and it ended up
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: causing birth effects, people not having limbs and worse. So
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: there's like a little book of these things that you
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: must you must not do. So given that little book
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: of things you should not do, let me name three
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: things that are testably or you can ascertain these for yourself.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: And they're all in these injections, and they're you know,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: someone like me, anyone like me would know that you
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: could not you would not allow any of these three
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: things to be in your damn product, and no one
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: else along the way would allowed either Number one, how
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: do you think your body plays nice with itself? You know,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: if you're healthy and well today, but if needs be,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: your immune system is able to turn on interlopers and
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: defective things in your body and save you. You know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: you get a swelling, if you get bitten, and so on.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Your immune system defends you from single cell cancers very often.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: And that what is the answer to that question. Your
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: immune system is trained to play nice with everything in
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: your body that's meant to be in it. So when
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: you were growing in your mum's womb, your immune system
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: was shown every molecule as it were in your body.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: These all, Mike, you can tolerate these things that fight
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: to find inside your house. And any of the random
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: cells that you had at birth that didn't like you,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: that attacked you, they were deleted. It's called cleonal deletion.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: It's a really clever system that means when you're born,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: your body has enormous immune diversity. It can recognize pretty
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: much anything that's outside that's big enough, not food stuff,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: but anything else as foreign. And but it'll play nice
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: with yourself because it was trained to recognize when you
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: were being born so it follows that if you inject
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: someone with a piece of genetic code and the instruction
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: is to your body make this foreign protein, that means
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: your body will be manufacturing non self proteins. There aren't
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: any products like this, ladies and gentlemen, because that's autoimmunity
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: on a stick. If you had an organ trance plant
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: and they got the tissue matching wrong, your immune system
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: will kick it out of your body and you'll become
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: very ill and they'll have to do a rework take
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: it out. So that's essentially what's happening on a cell
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: by cell level. You inject a person with a code
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: or a part for a bit of protein that is
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: not part of you, that is foreign or non self,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: you will attack it, whether it's in your brain, your kidney,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: or your eyes or whatever. That's number one. But that's
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: what all of these so called vaccines do. So I
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: remember the first time I heard it, I thought they
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: can't actually be doing this. You will induce automerene attack. Obviously,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: some people say, well, I've had it and I'm not dead,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: so therefore you're wrong. So classics of toxic toxicity is
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: the toxicity you and I experience for a given thing
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: we take will depend on your susceptibility. So some people
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: are more susceptible. Some people's bodies would have made more
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: of whatever that thing was that they were coded to
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: make than others. Some of them would have removed it
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: more quickly than others. It anatomically will land in different
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: parts of your body, so I would expect a range
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: of outcomes. And what I've described, which is induce autommunity
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: fit pretty much the enormous range of different adverse consequences
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: because they're the same biological process occurring in loads of
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: different tissues. So if you've got more of it in
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: your eye than other people did through the blood supply,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: you could go blind, other people might not. If it
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: concentrations in your heart, you could have a heart attack
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: on my card itis. If in the brain ye in
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: bark syndrome and other neurological deficits. If in your womb,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: you might miscarry. If in your ovaries you may become infertile.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: So that it's so obvious. It is what's called immunology.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: One oh one, first lesson of first term, and there
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: it is. That's number one. Number two is I no
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: longer think this is valid, because I don't believe in
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not happy about any vaccines anymore. But let's pretend
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: for a moment I was I would say, you wouldn't
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: design a vaccine to contain or to introduce into the
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: body something known directly to be toxic. You would look
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: around at I think, what's characteristic of this path alleged
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: pathogen it's not directly toxically, is like, obviously, you know
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: foreign and we'll get the immune system to train on that.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: But what did they pick? They picked this alleged spike protein,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: And there's loads of scientific literature that says that proteins
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: like this. So I don't don't know where it came
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: from exactly, because I don't believe the war was a virus.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: But there is a sequence and sequences like that that
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: are in gen Bank and various protein databases. They're all
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: injurious to mantium cells. So it's like, why did you
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: pick that one? Well, the answer is they wanted to
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: harm you. And the third one, which is devastating. Most
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: drugs are formulated in some way to protect them from
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: the environment. You can't just have a spec has to
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: be in a tablets or a cream or or an
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: injection as in this case. So they these are the
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: MMR and A shots were encapsulated in something called lipid nanoparticles,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: and I hadn't I was aware of them, I hadn't
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: worked in them. And as I was searching for background
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: on this stuff, that came across a paper I think
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: it twenty twelve, And it was well known in twenty
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: twelve that encapsulating biological drugs using lipid nana particles had
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: the property of depositing not all of it, but preferentially
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: depositing the payload in the ovaries. So if you combine
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: the first bit I said that injecting no self will
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: make your body attack if we sell dooming the instruction,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: and the other bit is lipping an A particles will
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: steer a disproportionate amounts your ovaries. So it does sound
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: very Bill Gates, doesn't It doesn't it? And there was
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: no public health emergency except that created by government lying
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: and fear wasn't a pandemic. And yet a year later,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: five whatever it was other next year or so, five
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: plus billion people on the planet rolled their sleeves up
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: and received something that I will say in a court
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: of law were designed intentionally to injure harm and reducetility.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know how much. I've never made a claim
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: for the number of this. I can't possibly know that,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: but that's their property. That can't be helpful the design
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: to injure. Anyone with my skill sets would know that
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: everyone any one of those three things would not leave
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the meeting room. We always have. You always have like
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: a pre launch before you even get into development, your meetings,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: and we're pretty hard on each other because there's no point.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Like with that early job I described, if you ignore
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: fatal flaws, get bitten on the bum later. It costs
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: of lots of money. Your reputation is in the toilet.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: It's better to say no one you can change it,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: and never accept something that you think. The only time
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: we'll know is when it hurts people in five years time.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: And there were three of them. And there are other
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: cleverer people than me and molecular bioity that have found
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: three others. I think they're supposed to be this SV
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: forty promoter. Apparently this helps the genetic material be dragged
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: into the nuclear So not my field of expertise, not
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: molecular biology, but I've given you three examples, all of
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: which are completely unacceptable, all of which I think are
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: responsible for part of the injury, and there was no justification.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, finally, you can't make a new
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: complex product in ten months. Now you can't. It doesn't
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: matter how much money in people you throw at it.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: You can't start step B until you know the results
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: of step A and so on. That if you add
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: up the linear sequence of the unavoidable steps without which
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: you are recklessly flying blind, you add up the length
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: of those when your steps it way more than two years.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Can't do it in ten months. So they either had
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: it ready beforehand, which probably wouldn't make you feel very happy,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: or they bundle it up and not bothering to do
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: any safety tests. But it doesn't matter. There's no benign
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: interpretation for what's gone on. There isn't at all.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, quite, I mean that comes bringing out loud and clear.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: That's a very clear explanation, Mike, Thank you very much
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: taking us through that now. Of course, as you describe,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: there was no pandemic, yet there was a phenomenal advertising
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: campaign for one, and an even more astonishing one for
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: what was being called a vaccine. Subsequently, now, broadly speaking,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: that was sold on the premise that it would stop
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: you from becoming ill, but also that it would stop
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: you either passing illness to somebody else or somebody else
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: passing illness to you. Now I know that you well,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I believe you reject all of that wholesale, but that
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: wasn't your position sort of going into this when you
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: just go through the steps that have taken you to
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: reject the in effect the sort of marketing line for
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: vaccines in the first place, or at least specifically look
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: at the cob you're.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Absolutely right or most it's an interesting thing that I
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: am the audience. I invite you to go along with
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: this little journey with me. People listen to me, I
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: think partly because they can't think of a reason why
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I'll be saying what I'm saying if it isn't what
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I think is true, because there's no advantage to me
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: and lots of downside. Potentially I could be Ryan Former
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: any day. I hope not. But it's not fun of
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: doing this. But yeah, so we all of us started
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: believing what you're told. I don't actually know very much.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: If you think about it. There's two ways that you
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: know things. One is you've actually experienced it yourself. Maybe
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: it's something you've actually experienced. So if you know how
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: to grow tomato, your knowledge is because you've derived it
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: over many seasons. The other way is someone tells you
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: something you choose to believe it. That's not knowledge. Okay,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: it might be true, but it could be a story.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: So if you were told, as I was, that you
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: catch colds from floating sub microscopic infectious particles called viruses, right,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: you never looked and checked, did you? I never looked
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: and checked. That's what I was told, and so I
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: spent all my life thinking that's what colds and flu
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: and due to floating in the air sub microscopic infectious
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: particles called viruses. Imagine my surprise. So this is one
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: of the steps. Imagine my surprise when someone who knew
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: this wasn't true appointed me to the sum total of
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: published literature peer review journal articles going from nineteen eighteen
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: to twenty twenty three, I think where people who were
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: ill with things that we will call colds or flu
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: were invited to share air and time with a well
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: person and this was done hundreds of times, And basically
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: the idea was if colds were transmitted in the air,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: as I just described, on average, people who spent time
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: with someone with a cold or flu would get ill
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: more often than people who spent time with someone else
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: who was perfectly well. And that's not true that people
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: who spent time with people with flu or cold he's
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: not over the next days or weeks get ill more
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: often and people who spent the same amount of time
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: with a healthy person. In other words, acute inspiratory illnesses
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: are not not contagious. Your mileage may vary, as they say,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: but your belief that you gave it to your husband
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: or you've caught it from a workmate, No, your observation
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: is consistent with the idea of contagion. It's not proof
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: of it. Full proof would come by doing experiments such
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: as I've described. Where I mean, it is astonishing to me.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't believe it at first, literally, because the story
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: of contact agent it is so strong that you just think, well,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: they must have done it wrong. But I went there's
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: loads of different research groups literally from nineteen eighty over
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: over one hundred years. It's never been demonstrated. So I'm
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: confident that acute spirituals is colds and flu are not
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: infectious in nature, nor contagious. And before you react and
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: say I definitely caught it, it's like when you get
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: a a headache, and some of you might get migraines,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: or when you get chest pain, you about anxious, maybe
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: even you've had a diagnosis of angina. When you've got
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: your headache or your chest pain, do any of you
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: ask this question, I wonder who I caught my headache from.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: I wonder who gave me that angina? And of course
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: you'll say, well, of course not. Those aren't infectious or contagious.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: There as arrangements of something inside my body. Yes, that's
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: what colds and flu is. Colds and flu are as
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: derangements of your internal equal librium, airway surface LIQ where
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know exactly, no one knows what they're not
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: is caused by sub microscopic, floating infectious particles called viruses.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: That is a lie, and I think the light it's
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: not a mistake, by the way, because it's observable at
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: any time if you do the research. So I'll give
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: you a couple of other things. You may have heard
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: some controversy around flu vaccines. It turns out that flu
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: vaccines has been known for decades by research organizations such
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: as the Cochrane Institute. I think it's Cochrane cocch Rame.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I think they've been bought out recently by billionaires. So
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think you should bother listening to what they
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: say now. But what they said ten years ago about
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: influenza vaccines was they have no effect whatsoever on reducing
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: the frequency or severity of flu hospitalizations or death. And
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: that ties in exactly with them not working, because the
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: store you've been told is a lie that they can't
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: protect you, because that's not how it works. But they've
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: sold influenza probably tens of billions of doses, tens of
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: billions of dollars. And so when it comes to COVID,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: that's that's also definitely true. Even recently someone some people
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: were doing these attempted to transmission experiments with people who
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: had alleged COVID, that is, they were they had acute
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: respiratorials and the PCR test, which isn't valid, said they
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: have COVID, and they attempted to transmit the illness to
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: other people, and it worked. No more often people weren't ill.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: More often than when they spent time with a healthy person.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: So so that was that's the main That was the
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: main information. Chance when I realized that you cannot a
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: contagion didn't happen. You could not get transmission of symptoms,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: so you know, don't come back at me with PCR
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: tests like if an illness was infectious and you could
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: give it to someone else, or really study is the
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: rate at which people who come into contact with you
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: develop that illness don't need diagnostic tests, And when they've
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: done those exact experiments from the First World War to
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: last year, it doesn't happen. It doesn't work like that.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: And so the conclusion is for me, they are they belong.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: They're more akin to the derangements that cause headaches and
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: migraines or chest pain and angina, none of which you
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: think are caused by bugs. So that's where I am.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: I have not done the research for quotes all viruses,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: but there are plenty of people you can follow. But
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: at the moment, as I say to people, it's this
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: lie about covid bird flow whatever it is, swine blue,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: or that those are the ones that are being used
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: to smash our civilization and remove your freedom to get
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: you jabbed. So I'm not interested in the wider field
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: of viruses that much, but I'm knowledgeable about because spent
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: all my life in respiratory that that these things up
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: there it is live. You cannot find the diffidence of contagion,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: and therefore its irrational to inject you with something that
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: hopefully will stop you getting quotes infected, because that's not
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: how it works. It's a story, and lots of things
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: we know belong to that second category. Someone told you
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: and you chose to believe it. So if you're offended
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: by anything that I've said because it contradicts what you
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: in verse commas know, please ask yourself, honestly, how you
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: know some of those things that you claim to know.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Did someone tell you? Because they might have been lying.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: They may not even have Your teachers and lecturers, for example,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: they weren't lying to you. They were following a curriculum.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: They almost certainly believed everything they were telling you, just
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: like I did. But there'll be there are clearly some
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: people who know this is you know that they're fooling you,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: lie ning to you. But most people who told you
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: things gave you their honest opinion and if you believe them,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: But it turns out later so they weren't true. It
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: probably wasn't even their fault. Mike, thank you very much. Now.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Of course, all that said, the specter of contagion is
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: a very well wielded tool with which to engender fear
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: and control. And that's really where all we've talked about
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: in this interview has been pointed. And I think there's
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: a great tendency for people who've been absorbed by this
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: sort of material to concentrate very much on what is
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: perceived to be happening or what may happen, rather than
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: looking at the things that are within one's control in it,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: you know, within one's own life. Now, I know that
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: for you, that's a very important part of all this.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: And I think, just as we sort of begin to
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: wind the interview up, how have you dealt with your
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: situation now in a sort of psychological and spiritual way?
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: You know, from where do you divine your spirit and
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: strength and how do you carry on?
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: It is interesting. I can't really explain why I started
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: speaking out other than I knew it wasn't right, so
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: I started talking about PC artists and stuff like that.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think I allowed myself to bring the dots
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: together that I've talked about joining till about the summer
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: of twenty twenty, at which point I'd become convinced that
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: since all the countries in the West that I could
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: see were all doing pretty much the same thing, they're
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: all thrown in the bin their health emergency preparedness plans,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: which every country has, and they involved basically stay at
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: home if you're sick, that is, and washing hands a
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: bit more often. That is pretty much on the back
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: of a post. And that's the public health plan as
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: regards what populations told. Obviously they had extra precautions in
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: hospitals and so on. But every one of the countries
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: they threw their plan away and they said, masks, social distancing, lockdown.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Come on, it's not even a word. It's an American world.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Isn't it to do with prisons? But they all use
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: the word lockdown. Scandinavia, Holland, England, America. It didn't take
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: me long to realize that there was a plan that
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: had descended from above the level of nation. I didn't
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: know where it was coming from, but it could not
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: possibly have been decided by the chief scientists and chief
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: medical officer in each of twenty European countries. Give me
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: a break. You know, they wouldn't do those things because
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: all of none of them were make any sense. If
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: you isolate people, they get depressed and sit and sick.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: People at the margins who require social interactions to kind
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: of keep going, some of them just die. It's there
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: are psychological work that's decades old that shows that risk sessions,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: economic recessions, and isolation are extremely potent stimuli to vulnerable
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: people getting ill and dying, which, of course is what happened,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: you know. So, yeah, I've forgotten the question exactly, but yeah,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: I was realizing that what we were being told was
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: not didn't make any sense. I guess in that way,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: then then I've answered the question properly. But oh yes,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: how did I draw my strength? Yes? I then plowed
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: on for about another year, into the middle of twenty
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: twenty one, and I do remember I was finding it
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: extremely distressing, really bad sleep because by then, you know,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: injected half the country and those of us who are
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: watching social media instead of the BBC knew that a
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: lot of people had been injured and many had died,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: you know how many, but many and they were dying
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: horribly and exactly the ways that Wolfgang and I had
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: said we thought would happen. Just an example, in Germany
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: in February twenty twenty one, there was a spate, not
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: huge number, but poor, poor ladies, but healthy young women
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: between say twenty and fifty. We're going down with cerebral
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: veins sinus from bosis that means avally great blood top
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: in the descending venous blood supply. Some of them died,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: They all had thdreadful headaches, and they're kind of all
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: turned up within a couple of weeks. And some doctors
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: had said, I've seen one case in my life, and
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: we've had like seven in the last month, and you
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: know that was caused by the injection. It was obvious.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: So terrible sleep around the tone of twenty twenty one,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: because I did feel at that point everywhere I looked,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: if this was like just an operation to change the
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: political system whatever, from democratic to totalitarian, you didn't have
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: to be done quite the way it was being done.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: It seemed to me that every choice that was made,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: they'd picked the most awful and cruel to do it.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: And in the end I drew the conclusion not common
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: for a scientist who was at the time agnostic. But
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: it felt diabolical, demonic, satanic, that's this black thought. And
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: in the middle of twenty twenty one, I described this
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: in an interview yes a lady in America, doctor Lee Fliet.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: I think it was the Truth of Health, that Truth
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: for Health Foundation. I just gave like a twenty five
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: minute interview where I described having like nocturnal visits. I've
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: woken several times in the night by an intense feeling
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: of evil, and I kind of wandered off around the
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: house so it's not to disturb my wife. And on
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: the third night, looking out of the window, all the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: bit suddenly all the it's joined in my head and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I could see what was happening. I kind of stopped
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: pretending that it wasn't just a bit bad. It was
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: really bad. And I fell to the floor. And some
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: time later, and half an hour later, I felt I
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: felt the presence of good, something good, and it wasn't
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: like a god, and it was really the message was
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: get up, here's like a handful of confidence, get on
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: with it. That's more or less what it was. And
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: then I thought, okay, well, That's what I've been put
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: here to do, to warn people to use the skills
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: I've acquired. The unbelievable coincidence of taking a weird degree
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: which no longer exists mechanisic toxicology, an odd choice of
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: a PhD subject of opiates and respiratory depression. I mean,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: that's almost spooky, isn't it, Given what happened in hospitals
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: and then sort of had a career that ended just
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: in time for me to be available. It could just
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: be pure chance. Can't say it's not. Or it could
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: be that I've been invited to do this and so
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: I'm doing it, and how do I cope? I since
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: that happened, I no longer feel a shame at all
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: or shy in saying I feel safe in his hands. Okay,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: at the end of your life, you're not here anymore.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: The best you can do, I think, is leave the
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: life that you would not be embarrassed to describe to others.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: I think I've done that, and this has been like
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: an additional effort for me to do. So. All the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: good thing about that is you don't feel frightened. I
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: may be wrong, as you range in the idea of faith,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: and I'm not a detailed person. If you ask me
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: to what what's heaven like, I don't know. I'm aware
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: of the divine. I'm aware of something, and I think
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: having witnessed so much that I think I categorize I
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: felt and categorized as evil, you know, I find it
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: very I'm very comfortable the idea that there is this
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: duality and you can decide in your life whether you
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: want to notice that, and if you do, I think
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: you'll be drawn to trying to do write things, or
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: at least not to do bad things, because you feel
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: better if you do good things and avoid bad things.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: So that's how I survive. But I'm not going to
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: do this over open endedly, you know, because it's there's
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: I think it's not because I'm I'm not scaring anyway.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: It's just I've got other things to do. And if
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: doing talks like this don't work because digital censorship means
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: I can't reach any new people, then I might all
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: go and do something else. So I'm drifting in that
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: direction as we can up to the anniversary of fifth anniversary.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: That's where I am.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: That's a fine note to end on, and I do
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: hope you will come back, because there's going to be
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: plenty more to talk about.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: You mentioned your Telegram channel and your substack substack channel,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: could you just remind us of the details of those
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: and indeed anywhere else that people might find your content.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Substack is very easy. You just type in substack and
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: it is an app. It's an online publishing, online free
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: publishing system. And if you just go doctor Mike Eden
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: in substack, I am the only writer using my own
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: name there. Telegram is another app. It's just like WhatsApp
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: or what point, not like WhatsApp. It's a social medium.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: It's a platform on which you can you can write
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: posts and then people can you can make replies and
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: they get quite agitated, really, but it's a good place
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: to interact with people. The thing is it's one to many.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: You can write something and reach anyone who's following you.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: I think there's twenty six thousand people. It's not very many, really,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: but that's what it is. And that is if you
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: go to Telegram and it's an app you download if
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: you choose to the fact that it was allegedly written
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: by a Russian and I don't think is relevant. I
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: mean what do we think? Do we think the apps
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: we are using a nice because they were written by Americans? Nah,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: so I think you're a safe It doesn't make any difference. Really.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: We get the app from and it's just a one
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: to many system that you can sign up to. And
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: I am doctor Mike Yeden solo channel because there are
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: other people using my name and image. I don't know
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: who they are. Telegram admins don't react when I complain,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: so I urge you not to. Don't subscribe to the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: one that isn't solo channel. That's it really. I don't
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: regularly post anywhere else some people will put my or
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: do you think that a lot of my interviews people
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: have posted others not me. I generally don't have the
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: interviews because I'm giving them, so usually someone else records
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: them like a mug. I didn't keep copies. I have
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: got a few now, but a lot of them are
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: on bitch shoots. So if you go to bit shoot,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: which again is like it's like an alternative to YouTube,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: Dr Mike Eden, I think you can find like ten
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: or twenty there so, but yeah, I would recommend mostly
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: I picked the most recent dates, and that's because I
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: made more howlers in the past when I didn't realize
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: what I now know, and I'll still be making mistakes.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: But the big picture is it wasn't a public health emergency.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Even if what they told you was true, it wouldn't
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: smash the world up the way they did, would you.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: So you know, it's consistent with it not actually being
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: anything at all. Events two oh one it was a
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: tabletop simulation run by a number of people, including Gates,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: I think two or three months before the start of
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: this madness, and that was I think. I think it
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: was like the tenth or twelfth of such tabletop simulations
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: since the late nineties started in America, and concludely with everybody,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: including China and you being involved around the table, they've
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: been rehearsing pandemics that don't happen for twenty five years.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: They were never interested in treating people. The tabletop simulation
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: always focused on control of information and getting you injected.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: Does that sound consistent with public health? Does it sound
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: consistent with trying to stick a toxic it does? That's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: what they've been doing, you know, I know it. It
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: tells when I realize this, it's like the world isn't
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: anything like what I thought. Sorry, it isn't. You know,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: you can pretend that it is. If you pretend that
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: it is, they will continue to take all your freedoms away.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: And that might be all right by you if you're
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: late in life. It's not all right for your children,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: has it for your grandchildren. The way to stop it
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: is if enough of us simply tell each other these
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: these correct stories, or at least get away from the lies.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Because the people who run this they operate by deception.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Because there are so many of us you need to
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: deceive us. They could just like turn up, point a
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: gun at you heaven and said, look, do what what
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: we tell you it's but there'll be enough people who
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: will just say no and grab the gun. You know,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: they'll end up with civil war house to house everywhere.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: They're not going to do it that way. They're going
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: to do it by coercion, persuasionological operations, fooling you. So,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: if you know that some thing that's going on is
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: not true, I put it to you, you have a
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: duty to tell other people, even if it embarrasses you.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Right that the auctions are potentially to be thought of
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: as a bit of a conspiracy theorist, or to get killed.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: You know, I think it's like an easy call. Find
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: whatever resonates with you. You know, you don't have to
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: say it's alien lizards, it's I've never mentioned aliens or isards.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: I have no idea if they're involved, but you know,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: designed to injure you. And here's some reasons why that is.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: And it's that mad need. You owe it to your
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: children to get weaving if you haven't already, and tell
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: other people. Tell people in the bus stop what's going
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: What do you think is going on in this country?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: And they go bloody weird, isn't it? That's your opportunity.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Always use which cash as you can, for example, because
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: the control people like you to use digital money because
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: they can see where you are, what you're buying, how much,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: from whom at any moment, brief you use a twenty
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: pound note, they have no idea. So it's joyful, isn't it.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: So I almost only use cash now. And also every
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: time you pay cash, especially in a small shop, you go, hey,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: are you getting a lot of cash to go? Yeah?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: We only need or whatever, And it's an opportunity. Some
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: people are right down the rabbit hole. Some are not,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: but use every opportunity until you're a conspiracy theory bore.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Because there is a conspiracy, there's nothing theoretical about it.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: As soon as they're like a thousand people to gather together,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: you need to structure, like what are the rules around here?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: That's normal? And guess what you think? They got the
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: best qualified people to run the first thousand community, nicest person.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: What they've got was the person who was willing to
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: do what you weren't willing to do. And that's always
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: been true. Some communities are lucky they had as it
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: were a benign dictator. They usually ended up with nasty people.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: As the community has got bigger, other people running other
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: communities doing things that you wouldn't do, and that's why
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: they're in charge, would start fighting each other, killing each
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: other off, and so on. And I think after a
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: while they realized that, you know what, like the mafia,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: it's like, if we agree where our territory starts and ends,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: we can probably do these people public over even more
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: thoroughly without watching our back. So now you've got a
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: criminal cartel. And then it grew and it became criminal
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: cartels in a nation, and then between nations, and then
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: multinational corporations came about during the British colonial expansion, and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: now you have a need to have conspiracies between consonants.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: So everywhere is run by people who are horrible because
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: they are willing to do what you won't do, that
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: always do worse things than you would possibly do. And
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: I think, because I've read this somewhere that around eighteen
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: eighty the secret society is that run the world in
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: this way by being nastier than you're willing to be
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: agreed that essentially na a pact. We'll stop fighting each other,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: we'll never fight in public, and we'll agree that these
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: half a dozen things. Basically, we're going to take these
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: mugs everything. And I think they have for the last
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty years, and I think because of
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: because computers are unbelievably clearer as well as powerful. Their plan,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: I believe, is to control everyone and everything everywhere forever
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: using digital technology. We let them and in the end
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: digital money without cash and its use would be perhaps
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: regulated by having a valid digital ID. I think that's
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: all you need if you manage to lay that control
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: SYS or cash for central bank digital money, digital ID
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: which everyone will have the same format that will be editable.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Have you had your job? Have you been good? That
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: would control your ingress and egress from any regulated space.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Every space could be regulated, including the front door or
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: of your car shops. It's a genius, evil genius, really,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: I think. So that's that I've told people that is
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: my absolute fear because I'm not going to sign up
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: for like a new format digital ID. I've already got
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: ten ways to identify myself to government passports, driving licenses,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: bank accountly tells they I don't need a new digital ID.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: They need you to have a digital ID because then
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: they can control you. So I'm going to I'm going
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: to reject it, however inconvenience it may be to me,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: and I might regret that statement, but sorry, this is
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: the contruction of the human avatar talking about cash to
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: CBDC digital ID. So please reject it. There's no legitimate reason,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: there's no legitimate reasons to force you to have it.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: It's only real advantages. They can do what I just described,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: because once you've got to present valid digital ID before
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  Speaker 2: you can go anywhere or buy anything, all they've got
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  Speaker 2: to do is say, have you had the latest who
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  Speaker 2: recommended or mandated jabs DOT to Eden. So obviously I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't have and say, well, your digital ID has reduced
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  Speaker 2: privileges or is invalid, and consequently you can't enter or
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  Speaker 2: leave or make a spend. That isn't that simple? Is
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  Speaker 2: there anything wrong with what I've just said? There's no
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  Speaker 2: alternative digital money? And if you are required to identify
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  Speaker 2: yourself with this digital ID, that could be editable, including
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  Speaker 2: backstatus that I believe offers. That's what I think they
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  Speaker 2: want to do. I think, in principle, on paper, it's
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  Speaker 2: quite a simple thing to do. People who work in
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  Speaker 2: ID tell me then never make it work, and I
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  Speaker 2: take some reassurance, but you know, it's so simple what
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  Speaker 2: I've described. If a non computer person can describe it
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  Speaker 2: as I've just done, you know, I'd love to think
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  Speaker 2: they can't do it, but it sounds alluringly possible anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what I think is going on, and I
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  Speaker 2: do ask people to the thing is if you leave
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  Speaker 2: it to the small number of lunatics like me. When
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  Speaker 2: I say lunatics get no pay for foreign and a
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  Speaker 2: half years work destroying my own reputation and earning potential
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  Speaker 2: and who knows they might arrest or kill me if
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  Speaker 2: you don't do something with this information. There are enough
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  Speaker 2: people like me speaking out. The perpetrators are completely relaxed
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  Speaker 2: about my existence because I think they know, having driven
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  Speaker 2: me into a telegram and substack, they know exactly where
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  Speaker 2: I am, and they can prevent me reaching more than
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  Speaker 2: say zero point one percent population and care right, So
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  Speaker 2: I want you to make them care by driving that
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  Speaker 2: number up tenfold, thirty four, one hundredfold, because I think
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  Speaker 2: it will work. And if we don't do that, I
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  Speaker 2: think they'll succeed. They take a few years, but they'll
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  Speaker 2: do it. And here in the lecture of pording to doctor,
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  Speaker 2: might you.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot for the audience to go away
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  Speaker 1: and think about. Thank you very much. Indeed, now I
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  Speaker 1: should say that I would entirely recommend both Mike's substac
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  Speaker 1: and telegram channels. There'll be notes to those in the
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  Speaker 1: It just remains for me to say to Mike, thank
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  Speaker 1: you very much indeed for joining me. It's been an
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  Speaker 1: absolute pleasure to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Charles Great. Thank you for using your platform
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  Speaker 2: to reach hopefully new people. Thank you very much.