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#1540 Weaponised Robot Dogs - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I get a teen Patrick, James Mean Andlla Craig, Anthony Harper,
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  Speaker 1: our Fortnightly get together and you are part of that.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, we get here together for you because you're
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  Speaker 1: loved by us. Hi, Patrick, how are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I have such an exciting day today, Craigo. Remember what
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing today?
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  Speaker 1: Thirty three on a Friday. As we record this everyone today,
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  Speaker 1: when did you tell me?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, middle of the week.
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  Speaker 1: Today, I'm a shit friend Forretney.
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  Speaker 2: You laughed at me.
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  Speaker 1: What tell me again?
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  Speaker 2: I'm waiting for a chimney sweep to come over.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, the chimney sweep. And I said, what
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  Speaker 1: is this? Eighteen ten? Are you fucking Oliver? Please? Sir?
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  Speaker 1: I want more now. All of our young audience members
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  Speaker 1: will not know who Oliver Twist is. Just google it, kids.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you have a chimney sweep coming? Well, I
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  Speaker 1: guess it's obvious, but I didn't even know that they
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  Speaker 1: still existed.
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  Speaker 2: People still have chimneys, and they still have flues that
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  Speaker 2: connect to their fireplaces. And mine isn't working properly. So
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  Speaker 2: the port Fritz, the schnauzer, who's very needy this morning.
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  Speaker 2: He and I well, he stood there looking at me
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  Speaker 2: while I tried to light the fireplace the other day
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  Speaker 2: when it got down to two degrees and smoke started
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  Speaker 2: billowing out out of the fire, I thought that flu
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  Speaker 2: isn't working, first time I've used it this year, so
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  Speaker 2: it must be blocked. And all the smoke alarms went off,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm running around upstairs with a tea towel and
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  Speaker 2: trying to stop the smoke, which wasn't helping. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I thought, I'm going to have to get desperate now.
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  Speaker 2: So I call the local hardware store and yes, they
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  Speaker 2: knew a chimney sweep, and he's coming over today. Three
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  Speaker 2: weeks later. Wow, in high demand.
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  Speaker 1: What's a good thing? It's been unseasonally warm for you? Well,
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  Speaker 1: probably not up in the land, but it's been bloody.
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  Speaker 1: There's twenty or twenty one the other day down here
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  Speaker 1: in I mean, well, I'm not winter, but Nelly winter.
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  Speaker 2: Oh for sure. And look we have really chilly, chilly mornings.
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  Speaker 2: I have a wheat bag that I put in the
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  Speaker 2: microwave to put in my pocket so that my hands
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  Speaker 2: don't get cold with that is that is?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? I can't say what I was going to say.
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  Speaker 1: But fucking ninety eight percent of people would have laughed
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  Speaker 1: in two percent would have sent an email. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know what that is?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 1: Apart from that, have you been good? Everything? All right?
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  Speaker 1: Why is Fritz a underdog so needy?
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  Speaker 2: By the way, because he normally goes through a walk
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  Speaker 2: at seven am, we go out for an hour, and
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  Speaker 2: because he woke me up at two am and I
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  Speaker 2: didn't get back to sleep till three point thirty, I
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  Speaker 2: had something of a sleep in.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't taken him out yet. I'm gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: take him out after the show.
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  Speaker 1: You're in the bad books, but in about an hour
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  Speaker 1: you'll be in the good books.
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  Speaker 2: It's right.
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  Speaker 1: Hey. There's been a bit of chat in the media
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  Speaker 1: about some parents and experts wanting to raise the age
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  Speaker 1: for social media for teenagers to like sixteen or something,
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  Speaker 1: and that's one. What are your thoughts on that? And too,
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  Speaker 1: how the fuck would you ever enforce that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough one. It's one of those generational
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  Speaker 2: things where well, I've got one, all my friends have one.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to not have a phone. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to have access to social media. It's really difficult
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  Speaker 2: because a lot of children's identities are also kind of
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  Speaker 2: included in that they connect by devices. You know, friends
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  Speaker 2: of mine have a fourteen year old and from the
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  Speaker 2: age of about eleven or twelve, he was chatting to
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  Speaker 2: his mates using his iPad. So how do you rule
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  Speaker 2: out social media as opposed to just direct connection, You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's really hard. But the reasoning behind this, And look,
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  Speaker 2: I'm in two minds and I don't have children, so
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  Speaker 2: but I do see friends' kids, and I wonder whether
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  Speaker 2: there is a problem when people are looking for likes,
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  Speaker 2: and that's the big thing that seems to be coming up.
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  Speaker 2: It's a and this is an Australian mind you they're
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  Speaker 2: saying that the like button the kids. This is specifically
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  Speaker 2: about social media. So you put a post up whatever
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  Speaker 2: the platform happens to be, and someone likes it. Now,
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  Speaker 2: how many likes you get can play a very big
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  Speaker 2: part in how you feel about yourself and what you've posted,
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  Speaker 2: particularly if you're posting a selfie. You know, think about
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  Speaker 2: you at the gym and how many times you post
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  Speaker 2: pictures of yourself and you know you can one like?
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  Speaker 2: You know that must be to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fucking I'm straight from here to my therapist
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  Speaker 1: because yesterday I only got two yeah, and what was mum?
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  Speaker 1: And the other was Arnie Marge, So.
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  Speaker 2: I like you last week yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I think it was the bear rug. It
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  Speaker 1: was slightly out of position.
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  Speaker 2: That could have been it. Well, see, there is there
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  Speaker 2: is a name for this. It's a new mental kind
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  Speaker 2: of health condition. They're calling it problem Internet use or
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  Speaker 2: p I you And this this is not just kind
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  Speaker 2: of abstract statements being made by people in general. These
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  Speaker 2: are quite a few renowned researchers, experts, you know, clinicians
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  Speaker 2: who work in the area of child mental health, and
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  Speaker 2: that's what they're trying to draw on to discuss ways.
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  Speaker 2: You know that this generation of children who potentially are
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  Speaker 2: being lost to the likes of you know, meta which
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  Speaker 2: is Facebook and Instagram, TikTok and all of those engaging,
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  Speaker 2: keep scrolling, keep engaging platforms that just do everything they
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  Speaker 2: possibly can to try to keep you online. That's what
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  Speaker 2: the whole aim of social media is. So this is
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  Speaker 2: coming from the Royal College of Psychiatrists and they're talking
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  Speaker 2: about the impact of technology on teenagers and they really
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  Speaker 2: are the guinea pigs of this generation, aren't they when
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  Speaker 2: you think about it, because they're saying more than four
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  Speaker 2: in ten austraeteens, so forty percent suffer from mental health distress,
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  Speaker 2: with experts saying that you know, the case are now
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  Speaker 2: on the rise, and this is being attributed to social media.
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  Speaker 2: But what is even more scary is they're saying the
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  Speaker 2: rate of hospitalization for intentional self harm has surged. We're
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  Speaker 2: talking by seventy percent in young young women between the
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  Speaker 2: age of fifteen and nineteen, and that's from two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and eight, two thousand and nine to twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 2: twenty two. So in a very very short amount of time,
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  Speaker 2: the warning flags are being raised. And so I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's a long winded answer, but I'm not an expert,
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  Speaker 2: but if kids are harming more and there's more distress,
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  Speaker 2: then you know, there's got to be a way to
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  Speaker 2: do it. I mean, I think technology is such an
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  Speaker 2: intrinsic part of the lives of everybody, but we as
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  Speaker 2: adults can be discerning enough to put it away sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think, you know, it's like for me, it's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit like, you know, cigarettes kill lots of people,
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  Speaker 1: But then I've never had a cigarette you either.
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  Speaker 2: Right, No, No, I had a we will them two
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  Speaker 2: cigar once mate when we were fourteen, and we almost
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  Speaker 2: choked the death and that did it for me.
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  Speaker 1: Now, well, thanks for interrupting for that. You know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: whether or not it's well, I don't think that's a cigarette,
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  Speaker 1: whether or not it's booze or cigarettes or technology or
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  Speaker 1: pawn or you know, like it's we don't have to
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  Speaker 1: use social media, like it's not a rule. But as
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  Speaker 1: you and I have spoken about before, if you're fourteen
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  Speaker 1: years old, you've never had a world without technology. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's, well, maybe a few kids in Australia
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  Speaker 1: who grew up in you know, on farms in rural wherever,
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  Speaker 1: or in the outback or whatever, but the vast majority
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  Speaker 1: of fourteen year old Australian kids have pretty much had
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  Speaker 1: their whole life interwoven with technology in one shape or form.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess yeah, it's like do we get rid
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  Speaker 1: of it? Do we ban it? Or do we teach
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  Speaker 1: them how to you know, it's like do we teach
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  Speaker 1: kids how to eat well? Do we teach kids how
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  Speaker 1: to move their body well? And look after their irreplaceable
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  Speaker 1: gift that is their body, do we I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's like when you just I feel like if you
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  Speaker 1: just ban it, I don't know that you're teaching them anything,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know that that is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a solution. And at the same time, you think about, well,
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  Speaker 1: if not for social media and technology and you and
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be doing this and we wouldn't have, you
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  Speaker 1: know whatever, half a million listeners a month and all
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  Speaker 1: the great things that we have. So I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that of themselves that all of these things are good
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  Speaker 1: or bad, but the rather the way that they are
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  Speaker 1: used and experienced and I guess exploited. And you're right,
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  Speaker 1: like Meta is a for profit company. It's not a
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  Speaker 1: charity metas you know, despite what they'll say, which is
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  Speaker 1: all pr and as is it. Of course, every company
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  Speaker 1: wants to be seen to be morally conscious and ethical,
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  Speaker 1: of course because that's good for the brand. But the
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  Speaker 1: bottom line is the bottom line for most companies, like
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  Speaker 1: their bottom line is their profit. And if you can
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  Speaker 1: the longer that you can keep people on their sites
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  Speaker 1: or on their apps or whatever it is, as we've
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  Speaker 1: said before, the more profitable it is for them.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Look, you know. It's funny whilst you were talking,
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  Speaker 2: two things popped into mind. You know, you make that
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  Speaker 2: mental ledger the pros and cons. And I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: ask you a question. When you were thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
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  Speaker 2: living where you were was out MOOI wait, you know,
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  Speaker 2: out in the bush, would you if I sit to
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  Speaker 2: you now you can go back in time, would you
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  Speaker 2: want social media and to be able to actively actively
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  Speaker 2: be a part of it as a kid?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. No. However, look, I think I
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  Speaker 1: think old people and I'm going to not put you
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  Speaker 1: in that category, but me in that category. I think
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  Speaker 1: we tend to romanticize the past and we go, oh,
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  Speaker 1: back in my day, I want to punch people in
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  Speaker 1: the face. I'm like, back in your day, it was
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  Speaker 1: shit sometimes, you know what I mean. It's like you
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  Speaker 1: know that it's everyone thinks that now is shit and
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  Speaker 1: then was better, and like, I don't believe that. Like
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  Speaker 1: I think that they're being alive now, although there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of shit going on. I think that being alive
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  Speaker 1: now depending on where you are, of course, I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about you know, you and me living in first world
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  Speaker 1: luxury really in Australia, anyway, it's like it's never been
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  Speaker 1: a better time, Like it's never been We've never been
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  Speaker 1: more fortunate. Is there bad shit going on? Yes? Was
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  Speaker 1: there bad shit going on back then? I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the current dilemmas that we're dealing with are
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  Speaker 1: self created. But for me, I loved my childhood. But
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  Speaker 1: then there were kids in the same era as me
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  Speaker 1: who had terrible childhoods. But me personally, I wouldn't change it.
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  Speaker 2: No, So it's interesting you say that because on the
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  Speaker 2: flip side, for me, I had, for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: I had a pretty good upbringing. I had a lot
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  Speaker 2: of freedom, got on my bike, got up in the
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  Speaker 2: morning on a Saturday, and didn't come home till nighttime,
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  Speaker 2: you know, stayed at the mate's place. But as an
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  Speaker 2: older teen, and I'm thinking about this demographic we're talking about,
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  Speaker 2: I felt sad and isolated a lot of the time,
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  Speaker 2: psychologically mentally unconnected, and I it was Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 2: a really tough time. And if I had been able
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  Speaker 2: to connect with peers online, if I'd been able to
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  Speaker 2: realize that I was okay and that there were other
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  Speaker 2: people like me, then my negative thoughts self harm probably
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't have happened, so I.
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  Speaker 1: Think, and that's a beautiful example of there is no
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  Speaker 1: right or wrong, but it's right and wrong for the individual.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, for you, I agree, it probably would
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  Speaker 1: have made your life better. I don't think it would
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  Speaker 1: have made my life better, but it may it may have.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think for you that's a
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  Speaker 1: and I think, like when we extrapolate this, mate, you think, well,
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  Speaker 1: there are lots of kids who use social media without problems,
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  Speaker 1: and there are lots that probably more that have. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the percentage is, but yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: sometimes I think we need to figure out what is
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  Speaker 1: the underlying cause, because it's like technology can be used
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  Speaker 1: for great stuff, but not so great stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Can I throw some stats at you?
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  Speaker 1: Sure?
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  Speaker 2: So there's a campaign called let Them Be Kids, and
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  Speaker 2: they did a serve a recently of over three thousand
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  Speaker 2: social media users and this is what their pole come
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  Speaker 2: up with. Seventy percent of teens have had a negative
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  Speaker 2: experience on social media, three has been exposed to disturbing
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  Speaker 2: or traumatic content, Forty five percent have been abused or harassed,
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  Speaker 2: one in four have been cyber bullied or sexually harassed.
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  Speaker 2: Fifty nine percent have been scammed and one in ten
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  Speaker 2: have been the victim of revenge porn. So when those
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  Speaker 2: statistics are thrown out, it's frighteningly high. And I guess,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's three thousand social media users. Now I'd
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  Speaker 2: want to dig further into those stats, to be honest,
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  Speaker 2: I'd want to know, you know, the demographic spread, all
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  Speaker 2: that sort of thing. But those seem like pretty worrying
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  Speaker 2: statistics to me. And I guess we have to rely
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  Speaker 2: on the experts and not rely on knee jerk, not
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  Speaker 2: rely on you know, the media blowing things out of proportion.
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  Speaker 2: And I guess what you do is you set up
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  Speaker 2: working groups with psychologists, with people who understand the industry,
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  Speaker 2: and you get the brains into the building. And that's
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  Speaker 2: how you make those decisions. You know, often you think
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  Speaker 2: about politics, where I certainly think about politics, and you think,
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  Speaker 2: I wonder how many politicians actually did science and have doctorates,
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  Speaker 2: And they don't because generally, the pool of people, the
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  Speaker 2: talent pool of people who want to get into politics
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  Speaker 2: generally don't come from the science and technology background. But
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  Speaker 2: that's why you employ experts from the CSIRO and other
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  Speaker 2: organizations to be advisors. So I guess my response to
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  Speaker 2: all of this is we can speculate as much as
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  Speaker 2: we like and kind of look back and reminisce and
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  Speaker 2: they wouldn't have been nice. But the reality is, I
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  Speaker 2: guess it's out of our hands. And I hope that
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  Speaker 2: whoever does make the decisions is asking the right questions
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  Speaker 2: of the right people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's very valid. There's also
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  Speaker 1: there's also another component that I think of, which is
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  Speaker 1: is teaching people to be able to self regulate and
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  Speaker 1: make good decisions. And what doors do I open? You know,
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  Speaker 1: what metaphoric doors do I open? If I choose to
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  Speaker 1: go and watch porn? You know that can become problematic. Well,
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  Speaker 1: nobody put a gun to my head. But I'm doing it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going back each day or if I choose to.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying that the kids are at fault.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, we stick like we For me,
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  Speaker 1: I find this a little bit. What's the words. I'm
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  Speaker 1: curious and fascinated around being a teenager now, the experience
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  Speaker 1: of being a teenager, because in a minute they're going
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  Speaker 1: to be adults, right, and the world doesn't give a
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  Speaker 1: fuck about your emotions or your feelings, right, and so
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  Speaker 1: when you step out of the nest, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: bubble where everyone's like you okay, And we need that.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, we need love, care, compassion, of course, but
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  Speaker 1: also at the same time, we need to build kids
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  Speaker 1: to be able to or to help empower them to
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  Speaker 1: be able to be strong and resilient and make good
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  Speaker 1: decisions and be aware and be in charge of their
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  Speaker 1: own life. And you know, because the fourteen year old
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  Speaker 1: in a minute is going to be an adult with
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  Speaker 1: a job or at university and driving a car and
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  Speaker 1: legally drinking booze and socializing with other adults. And so
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  Speaker 1: while we need to protect them, of course, I think
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  Speaker 1: we also need to from a sociological, psychological, emotional point
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  Speaker 1: of view, help equip them so that they are independently thinking,
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  Speaker 1: critically making decisions, and that they can build emotional and
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  Speaker 1: psychological resilience. Because the only person who can ultimately manage
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  Speaker 1: your life is you. So like, let's yes, let's do
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  Speaker 1: all of these things, let's make decisions. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I would want if I And of course this
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  Speaker 1: is just an old white guy with no children, so
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  Speaker 1: whatever it means, But I know a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: human behavior. But if I had kids, I would want
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  Speaker 1: them to come out the other side of their teenage
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  Speaker 1: years as a really well prepared adult for life. So
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a big emphasis on don't let them
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  Speaker 1: do this, do let them do that, all of that,
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  Speaker 1: but also how do we help them self regulate so
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  Speaker 1: that we're not running the show and we're empowering them
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 2: My friends, I've got a great couple of friends who
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  Speaker 2: live now near you, as you know, and they've got
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  Speaker 2: two boys, young ones a young man now, the other
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  Speaker 2: one's still about turn fifteen. But what's always impressed me
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  Speaker 2: about them is they've never been shoved in the corner
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  Speaker 2: while adults are present. What they do is encourage dialogue.
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  Speaker 2: So we play board games, they sit at the table,
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  Speaker 2: they join into the discussions, so there's no taboo subjects.
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  Speaker 2: They're pretty open about whatever discussion happens to come up,
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  Speaker 2: and they'll answer questions. And I think that approach leads
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  Speaker 2: to a more worldly and sometimes we underestimate young people
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  Speaker 2: the intellect, the sense for wanting to know and understand,
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  Speaker 2: and so I think in a lot of ways, the
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  Speaker 2: approach that individuals take, whether you happen to be a
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  Speaker 2: parent or a grandparent or a friend of so always
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: being open to have discussion and so maybe that's the approach.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to change the topic a little bit, if
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: that's okay with you, because this is something that I
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: was really really wondering about. When you go to a shop,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: do you ask for a receipt? You know they've got
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: the button sometimes receipt you ask? Do you get the receipt?
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I no, I probably should say it depends on what
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: it is, but in general terms, no, Well.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: That's interesting because generally the fact that you ask for
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: a receipt can sometimes work out whether you're a millennial
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: or you're older. Evidently, so really older people always ask
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: for receipts, and young people can't understand why we use receipts.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: My caveat on that is if I'm getting anything that
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I might potentially need to take back, and I have
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: an electronic version because you know, I do my JB
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: shop and I always get it sent to my phone
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: because we all remember remember the old I think they
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: still do that thermal paper where the receipt ends up
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: fading anyway, so there's not really much point to it.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then like one side was shiny.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, And look, my bookkeeper always
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: gives me a hard time about not keeping receipts, but
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I do the I just snap a photo of them
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: with quick books on my phone, and that way I
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: don't get in trouble every week, which I normally do
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: for spending stuff and buying stuff I shouldn't have. But
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting that you don't keep receipts.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: But evidently gen Z generation Z doesn't have wallets or
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: time for paper. I mean that's true too. I mean
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: my wallet, I should admit this sits in my car
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: never ever ever is in my pack?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Could you not say that ship on a podcast?
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Did I leave my work in my car? I do
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: lock my car most of the time.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Well, jeez, because nobody can get into a car ever,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: so well, that's totally secure.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I don't even have to break a window. The other day,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I let the window open, got back after shopping at
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: the local supermarket and thought, well, yeah, I opened the window.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: There's I don't yeah, I'm I'm I just paid for
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: everything through my phone, like I don't. I don't even
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: take money. I don't even take my wallet.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and as you know, when we've gone out anywhere,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I use my watch. But it's interesting. I just was
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: curious as to whether or not you fell into that
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: category as an old fogie.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: But well, I am probably, I'm probably. I don't know that,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you know. In some ways, I'm probably an old fogy. Probably.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm a little bit atypical. You know, I could
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: literally be a granddad, which is fucking hilarious. Tell me
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: about neural link one of my favorite things in the
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: world of technology. I'm so fascinated with this thing and
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen with it over the next year
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: or ten.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, one bloke's got it so far, and there's now
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: pushed to get two more people. So it's been given
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: FDA approval in the United States, the medical authority that
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: basically says you can do real life experimentation. I suppose. Now.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: The thing is, what we need to understand is the
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: person who has had the implant has now been able
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: to they're totally incapacitated, and they're able to play video
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: games and do a whole lot of stuff on a
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: computer that they weren't able to previously. So it's given
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: them a level of freedom that they hadn't previously experienced.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: And you know, we've spoken about this. I would hate
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: to have anything implanted in my head. However, that's all
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: a relative decision, because if you were trapped in your body,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: you probably would. So the neural link now they're talking
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: about the next two people are potentially going to be
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: implanted with Elon Musk's chip. The only thing that would
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: worry me is that, I don't know. I don't know
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: if you know this, but there are certain features in
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Tesla's that don't get turned on unless you pay a subscription,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: So you know, could you imagine if and that's even
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: speed limiting I heard recently. Could you imagine if you bought,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: you know, one of your great bikes that you've got,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: if they said, oh, you buy subscription, it could go faster.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: It's like, what's I mean, I own I paid for it,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: now you want to make me unlock.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: That's what scares me about about Essentially, cars that are
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: a computer on air on wheels, and you think about
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the fact that they can literally from from wherever in
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: the world, they can program your car to do different stuff,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to have more power, to to be able to access
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: different features or whatever. Well, if they can do that,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: surely they can make the brakes not work or somebody.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, obviously Tesla wouldn't do that, but
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: but imagine if somebody like things get hacked all the time.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And I just I just I am. I'm not as
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: optimistic about the cars. And I love cars on my
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: car head, but I'm not as optimistic about all the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: technology that's happening in cars right now, even EV's. I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: think theoretically electronic electric vehicles are a good idea, but
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know that practically that's going to work out.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: We know that EV price is secondhand prices are plummeting
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and second hand and new sales are dropping. I don't know.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: There's something to be said for like a basic car
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: that runs well, that doesn't that isn't completely technologically dependent.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. It just makes me
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: a little nervous.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Imagine that you never have to go to a petrol
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: station ever again, that you get in your car and
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: it's fully charged, You drive off, get home, plug it
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: back in again, and it's ready to go again.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: But imagine imagine I'm driving to Ron and Mary's and
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I run out and there's no EV station like this
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: is I mean, this is happening to a lot of
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: people because there's there's the limitation of they can't and
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: then when you've got to charge, you've got to wait
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: minimum forty five minutes for it to charge. So I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: know what you're saying, but it's not all that positive,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and you're very pro ev and I understand it, and
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not pro ORAENTTI. I'm just I'm like, I'm interested
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in the reality of Look, I could be completely wrong.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go on the record, I don't think
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: electric vehicles are going to take.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Off, all right, I respond to that, now, go okay.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: First thing is, if you're planning to go and visit
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: your folks and you had an electric vehicle, you would
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: be able to instantly know what the range is and
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: how many charging stations there are between there. So cars
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: are now smart enough to know whether you've got the
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: range to get there, and if you don't have the range,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: where you can get to and then charge up accordingly.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: So it is planned around it to have brunch or
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: a lunch or something on the way there, but.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Not if you don't want to have brunch or lunch.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Like you go, oh wow, I can fill up at Warrigal,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: but it's fucking an hour to fill up. Like I
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: know you're trying to do the sales pitch. I get it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: But also it doesn't know the exact driving range because
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: there are so many variables. How many people are in
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the car, the weight of the passengers affects the range,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: how fast you drive affects the range. It's not perfect technology,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that's for sure. But I think they're you know, I
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: think there's a case for them. I'm not anti them
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: at all. In fact, the idea excites me. But I
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: think there's so many natural resources that are actually being
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: used in production it's almost ironic. And we've even got
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: electric charging stations in remote areas that are being fueled
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: by diesel generators, which is the fucking height of irony.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And it's not a few, it's it's a lot. So
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: is it? Look, I could be wrong, and if I'm wrong,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I'll be the first to go I'm wrong, But I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think e these are the magic
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: pill that we think they might be.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know how I said, I have two points? Yeah, Okay, cold,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I say my second.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: One, No, you and your two points? All right?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: You did you actually rightly mentioned that the uptake of
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: electric vehicles and we're just saying Australia is an ecosystem
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: has been a little bit slow, so they you know,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: there was this initial burst and that's been fairly consistent.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: But I think that the limiting factor has been the
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: entry level price. And you know, I have come out
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: and said many times that I couldn't afford an electric
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: car when I needed a car just after COVID, so
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I didn't get we've got a hybrid instead. However, that's said,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: we are soon going to see a big flood of
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: electric Chinese cars hitting the market, which will be under
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars. And I think that may be the
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: additional hurdle because you know, you're right, going from where
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: you live and doing long distance tripping can be problematic,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: but if you could drive just in a city, electric
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: vehicles are fantastic. Think of the reduction in pollution. And
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: there are some really great little cars. There's an amazing
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: car that Reno put out which was termed as a
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: buggy and not allowed in Australia. It was a one
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: seater and it had goal wing doors. This is like
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the ultimate mrdy little electric car. Maximum speed maybe fifty clicks.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: If I could have bought one for I think it
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: was maybe fifteen grand I would be driving that around
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: my little town and doing my shopping and put Fritzy
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: on my lap and we'd just be driving around, pottering
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: around in my little electric vehicle. I saw it in
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Europe when I was over there in Malta, and it's like,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I love this car. It was so cool. But Reno
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: weren't allowed to bring it into Australia because it was
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: classified as a buggy, not as a car. And that's
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: why this little electric vehicle, it may have had a
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: range of maybe one hundred and twenty k's not far
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: and you wouldn't put on a highway. But what a great
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: little vehicle just to be you whizzing around And if
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: you think about where you live parking, you park straight
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: into the right into the curb because the car is
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: so small, it's it's as long as a standard car
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: is wide, so you know, you would have many more
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: parking spaces, potentially two to three more parking spaces per
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: parking space, and for zipping around in suburbia. They'd be fantastic.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: You know what, it'd be better a scooter that you
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: park on the footpath out of everyone's.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Way, which I have, which I have.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: No you have a scooter.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: No you don't have it.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: You are a toy. That's not a scooter. That's a
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: fucking that's something from kmart. That's seven year olds.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Rightlome is an hour downhill with the hell what do
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: you get in the fucking the race position?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Do you flextionr these? Get your head down behind the handlebars.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I bought a new helmet the other day. Well, it's black,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: it's kind of it's kind of gun metal gray. It
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: looks a bit cool, and it's got the fate. Yeah,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: you know I'm not gonna win you.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: It looks a bit cool. He's the guy who rides
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a scooter that goes twenty segway.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Scooter that folds down flat. It's pretty. It's got lights
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: on it. I can make it flash lights as well.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I've done. By the way, you can't drive with a
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: dog on your lap. It's illegal. You're welcome, all right.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: So you're very excited about a new gadget, which is
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: not uncommon for you because you get easily excited about gadgets,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: But what is it?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: AI headphones?
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: What does that even mean?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, you've got noise canceling headphones, haven't you?
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I do?
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, So noise canceling headphones are fantastic. I wear them
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: on public transport and flying because they can listen to
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: a sound and wipe out a consistent sound, so an noise,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: which means you get a much better trip. Whereas these
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: new noise canceling headphones are out of sight. These are amazing.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: If you can imagine putting on noise canceling headphones, being
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: in a crowded room and I look at you for
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: three or four seconds, the AI built into the noise
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: canceling system will wipe out all the other voices, all
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: the other noises except your voice, and even if you
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: walk around, it will still continue to listen to just
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: your voice. So particularly, I've got a good friend of
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: mine who has hearing problems. They had an infection and
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: an illness and was similar to tenatus. And admit that
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: he's now very socially isolated if in large groups, and
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: we've had this discussion. He doesn't even have big birthday parties.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Generally it's small gathering because he just can't cope with
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: all these voices. So these headphones that they're they're developing
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: at the University of Washington, so researchers are currently working
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: on these. They're an adaptive noise canceling so you can
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: isolate a single person that you're having a conversation with
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: in a room and cancel every other sound out. That
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: to me is fantastic. Isn't that? That's so cool?
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: How's your memory, Grandpa?
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Was that I spoke to you about this last episode?
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Did you really?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I told you, Yeah, I told you. I just
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: watched a video. There was a dude and he was
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: sitting at a table and everyone was talking and it
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: was crazy, and then he was talking to another guy.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Then all of the other noise drowned out and you
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: could just hear his voice. So thanks for repeating that
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: story that I broke last time. You're welcome.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Oh geez, I really pay attention to you, don't I.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: You really should. But having said that, it is it
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: is a really good idea. And I mean, imagine that's
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: one of my things. I just, you know, old person alert.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, being in really you know where you know,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: We're in unim environment and a million people are talking,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: which is not good or bad. But then trying to
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: actually have a meaningful dialogue with somebody where you're essentially
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: got to yell into their ear to it's not really
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: optimal for me, but being able to. But are these
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: actual headphones that you are they you've got to wear
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: over your ears or are they ones that you stick
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: in your ear?
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: They're still developing them, and I guess there's also the
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: bone conducting ones as well. Because noise cancelation is just
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: a negative wave, isn't it. So what happens is when
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: you put the headphones on, if you've got a consistent frequency,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: they then invert that frequency and it cancels it out
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: so effectively. If it can do that, it wouldn't Why
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: if you just put your headphones on, are you blocking
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: me out?
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I just put on the noise canceling My god, that
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: is so rude. Do you know when I put on
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I have Sony I think they're called one thousand W
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: X or X. You know they're really good?
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Break dad, I press the button.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I press the button and the lady goes noise
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: canceling on and all of a sudden the room just
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: like it's like now I'm in a vacuum. It's so
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: fucking effective that.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, noise cancelation's really cool. So in answer to your question,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know that they've got to the point where
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I mean headphones as opposed to earbuds infer that they
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: go over your ears. So, but you can get inner
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: ear noise canceling headphones as well. And I guess if
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: you're going to be in a social setting, you do
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: want to be able to be as subtle as possible
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: rather than you know, the old chunky headphones. But have
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: you noticed kids are wearing them down the street now more? Yes,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: over ear headphones have become really popular that you know that.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I've got this a teenager who works for me, who
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: works after schools sixteen, and he walks in. He's got
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: his headphones on. Hi, how you doing? Yeah? Hi, sits down,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: does his work with his headphones on?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well. At the gym, it's it's like it's
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the thing like if you are in the gym, or
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: if you're in the gym where I train at four thirty,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: you will be the odd one out if you're not
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: wearing over ear headphones. If there's twenty people in there,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: seventeen people have got headphones. If they're not on their head,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: they're around their neck.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: How do you train with headphones on? A You'll get
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: sweaty and that would be really uncomfortable. And B it's
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: impractical if you're doing you know, any of the exos.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I don't understand.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I can't, man, man, it's all they do. Like there's
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: young dudes who are doing you know, squats, deadlifts, chins,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: like all of it. And they, in fact, they I
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: think they train better with them on. It's like they
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: almost can't train unless they have How about something blaring.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Watch out the smith Machine's falling on you.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's one.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Of the fact surely that is dangerous as well.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I think we should call our episodes grumpy old pricks
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: like just. But it's like it is sometimes frustrating when
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: someone's well. One of the consequences, potential consequences and very
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: common consequences in a gym, usually young dudes banging weights
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: like a fucking cyclone, like just, and they don't know
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: because they've either got noise canceling and or loud music
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: so they can't hear the noise that they're making in
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: the gym, and when you go over and politely suggest
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that they don't drop or bang weights or make they
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: look at you quizzically like what. But then, you know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: old old grumpy guy in the gym, Maybe I should
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: just put on noise canceling headphones and then I can't
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: talk to the crab.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, remember the good old days when
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: astronauts met cats on the moon and played with them
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: and provided care to them. Do you remember that? Do
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: you remember that when the cats went to the moon
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: and it helped us.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you got there from what I
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: was talking about, But why what are you talking about?
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: It's about the good old days, you know, when you
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: didn't overhear earheadphones at the gym and cats went to
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the moon. So Google's AI has been criticized in the past,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: right because they're trying to incorporate Google AI into their
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: search algorithm, which means you use AI and at summarizes information. However,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: it's pulled up. Well, initially they got in trouble because
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: people were typing in Nazis and they had people of
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: color and Asian people wearing you know, Nazi uniforms and
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: it went one way. So visually it was just crazy,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: you know, vikings that had really good hands. And now
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: they've done some searches and they found that the AI
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: picked up things like you know, Neil Armstrong said one
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: small step for man because it was a cat size
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: step and buzz Aldron also deployed cats on the Apollo
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: eleven miss mission. So because there's so much stuff about
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: cats on the Internet, somehow the AI algorithm has picked
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: up this connection between the moon landings and ma and cats.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: And what's problematic is that there are lots of errors
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: coming up with this search algorithm, so it's generating flawed responses.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: And that's really been a big criticism because you know,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: obviously we we've got to a point where we take
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: a lot of for granted, you know, doctor Google, if
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: we've got a concern. I mean, I would probably be
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: more inclined if I had a I don't know, a
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: skin condition and I jumped online and I wanted to
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: find out what it was. I would look at those
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: results and say, oh, yeah, Mayo clinic. I probably think
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: that would be okay. Well, a government service, you know,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I look at the u UR l I look at
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: the website. But you know, another example is that what
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: an eerror recently that got pulled up by this AI
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: search function was put glue on a pizza like and
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: that you know, there was I think it was asked
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: how many presidents of the United States were Muslim and
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: it came up with Barack Obama. So that's wrong and
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: we know it's wrong. So this misinformation is really kind
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: of broading the trust in a search engine that we've
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: invested a lot of faith in. Well, think about it,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the term googling something.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Well, also, when you don't know when you you know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: when you don't know that it's wrong, but it sounds like,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: oh that reads well and it's from the Mayo whatever,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: or it's from a Harvard Medical review or but it's not.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: It's not though, and you don't know that. And then
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden that becomes you're in inverted Comma's truth.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Now you're evangelizing that, Oh, I guess what, but this
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: is how that works, and then you're actually saying something
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: that it is flawed or you know, improbable at the
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: very least. I mean, and that's I asked chat GPT,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I've got the four point zero the burger with the
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: lot to does me a logo? I just wanted to
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: see what it would come up with. The other day,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I don't have a logo, I don't need a logo,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: but I just went, designed me a logo with my
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: name Craig Harper, and you know, basically, I'm going to
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be working as a neuropsychologist, which I'm not,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: by the way, but I just wanted to see, you know,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: so I thought, brain mind, so it designs this thing,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and it misspelled my name, so Craig Harper's it left
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: out the eye so it had Crag Harper. I'm like yeah,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: and and then I went then I typed it in
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: again you misspelled my name, and then it got the
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Craig right and fucked something else up. Like it is.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: These are far from perfect tools, and I think the
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: problem is when you're dealing with something that you know.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: It's like like the amount of pseudo experts. I'm not
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: an expert by any on any kind of level, but
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: who come out and say things that sounds scientifically valid
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and they're convincing, and they use terminology and people go, oh,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I guess what if you do this, then that happens
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe not, you know, like I think that's the
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: danger or one of the dangers of getting all of
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: your information on the internet. Which is even why even
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: when I have actual experts on the show that I'm
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: not sure not, oh you kind of are you know,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: when we have like I have someone who's got a
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: fucking doctorate in this or that and we're talking about,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: you know, something that is really a multi dimensional, complicated topic.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I never I mean I always tell people this is
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: not advice. This is not a personal prescription, This is
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: not a recommendation. This is too even you and me,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: it's two blokes talking about stuff. Don't can use that
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: with individual advice. You know, if we bring up something
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: that kind of resonates and it might be something that
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: is an important topic for you, then go and see
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: the relevant person and then make decisions off the back
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: of that. You know. That's why. And I think, well,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: we're fifteen hundred and nearly fifteen hundred and fifty episodes
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: in how many things have I got wrong? Thousands? You know,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: because I'm human and normal, you know, so yeah, you
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: got to you got to expose yourself to whatever you want.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: But think critically.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this recent this AI researcher from Santa Fe Institute
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: in New Mexico by the name of Melandy Mitchell. She
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: she explained it really succinctly. She said, what's happening is
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: that Google's AI isn't smart enough to figure out the
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: difference between a citation and actual research. So if there's
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: a citation and a reference to something, it doesn't necessarily
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: mean that's true or factual or accurate. So, you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: if you've written a paper and there've been claims, you
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: know it's remember the Mandala effect. You've heard the Mandala effect.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I've heard of it. What is it?
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: So effectively? You ask someone, do you remember when Nelson
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Mandela died in prison? And people say, yeah, that's right,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: he died in prison. Well, he didn't die in prison,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: was the president and you know of South Africa. So
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: but it was the phrase was coined as the Mandala
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: effect because we know that he was in jail for
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: decades and he was in a very poor condition when
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: he came out of jail. But for some reason, and
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: the reason it was called the Mandala effect is because
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: people actually believed that and they false remembered that situation.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: So we're frail enough as it is with false memories
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: and the way that our memory reconstructs itself. And sometimes
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: it's great when you have siblings recounting a story and
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: looking at the different ways that story was remembered. I
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: don't have had that. You know, you talk to one
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: of your mates, haven't caught up with you, and you
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: misremember and your brains within the blanks.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Well, and it's the same with eyewitness testimony. It's held
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: in not very high regard because oh, well, where were
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: your eyes on the other side of the street. Okay, Well,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: so this happened inside the shop, and you were outside
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: the shop on the other side of the street, and
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: it was dusk, and the person had their back, you know,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's like, well, like there
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: was the thing that happened, and then there was what
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: you think happened. Like sometimes they're pretty desparate, you know.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I was always I was saying to someone recently, there
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: are always three sides to every story. Your side, my side,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and the truth.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, one of my favorite actresses, Scarlett Johansen's been
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: in the news lately.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Well, you you were a victim of this. I know
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: recently you were the victim of someone copying your voice.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Go listen to the last episode, did you Was there
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: any comments about that it would.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Be Yeah, yeah it was. It was actually funny, like
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: it got worse through the show because you were making
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: it up on the spot. Yes, but the stuff that
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: you pre prepared in it, I think you told me
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: it took about three minutes, but I listened. I didn't
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: listen to the whole show, but I listened to that
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: because I wanted to listen as a listener to see
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: how the if you weren't if you didn't listen to it,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: everyone Patrick basically used took my fuck. I don't know.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Can you tell people what you did?
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: You took my voice and uploaded it to an AI
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: to copy it, and then I was able to type
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: in some text a statement by Craig on how much
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: he liked me, how much better I was at him,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: how much of them more handsome? And I did the
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: intro to the show as Craig's voice mimicked by an AI,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: which was kind of fun. Actually was. It was fun
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: doing it, and it was interesting as an exercise because
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: we've spoken about it before and we know that the
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: tools are out there, but I'd never done it, so
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I thought it'd be a nice little experiment to the show.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: But it was. It was kind of cool. And you
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: know what I really wanted to know was has anybody
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: sent you five bucks? No, because one of the other
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: things we asked was for everybody send five dollars for me,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and that you'd match whatever amount we raised. Yeah, yeah,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: it was. It was worth a try.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I reckon, No, that's not happening. Hey, as we're winding up,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: it was worth a try. Self balancing motorcycles. That's kind
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: of annoy I think it's funny.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Well, funny, you reckon. I thought this was really cool.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: So having only ever been a passenger on a bike
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: and being told sternly by you, you need to lean
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: into the same direction that I'm leaning into. Why why
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: do I need to lean into the same direction that
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: you're leaning to, Craig when you're at speed?
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Well, because we don't want to well what people try
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: and do who are inexperienced on moti So say you're
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: going into a left hand turn, well, and so your
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: motorbike is leaning to the left because you're going into
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: the car, and so you lean with it. Because you're
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: one with a bike. But what some people do is
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: they go, oh, I better counterbalance this, and so they
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: try and hang off the other side like a fucking
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: idiot and nearly kill everyone. So you lean into the corner.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: But but I mean, I can't imagine because I've been
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: riding for so long, But I guess I could hypothetically
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: imagine that. It feels like that's a dumb thing to
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: do when you're on the back. Can intuitive Yeah, it
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: seemed correct, And you're like, fuck, my knee is about
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: three inches from the ground and my elbows about eight
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: inches from the ground. I really should maybe lean the
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: other way just to help crag out.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Yea, how is the heaviest bike you've got?
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: So, one of the bikes I've got is three hundred
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: and sixty two kilos what they call dry, So with
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: motorbikes they say dry or wet, So without drying, yeah,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: without oil, without fuel, so so probably wet. It's about
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty k's before I put my fat
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: ass on it.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: So now, when you get to a set of lights
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: and stop, rather than running the light.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: What's you do? Well, you've got to put your feet
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: down obviously.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: No you don't, No, you don't, okay, okay, Honda, wait
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: for this. Honda has unveiled riding assist technology, and what
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: they demonstrated was a bloke with the bike stopped, standing
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: on the bike, so standing actually on the bike headily
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: things I don't know what they are, and with his
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: arms out right, so his feet on the footpegs and
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: his ar fully stretched out and the bike maintained it's up.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: How awesome is that?
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Well? How unnecessary is that? Because if you can't put
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: your fucking feet on the ground, what's wrong with you?
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Not? But what about when you're stuck in traffic you
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: can't weave around and you're going you're going slight. The
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: slower you go, the harder it is to balance.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Are you trying to tell me about motorbikes? Now?
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I try and tell you about technology.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Okay? Can I ask you a question? At the beginner's side,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: you know when.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: You say can I ask you a question? That is
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: of itself a question, So you should say, can I
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: ask you another question?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Did I ask you another question?
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: What do you think is the biggest hurdle to young
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: drivers or young riders when they're driving in slow traffic.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: What's the hardest thing for them to accomplish if they're
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: slowing down to say five k's an hour.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Well, what the inhibiting factor is their lack of skill
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: and they can only get good by riding more.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Ah, you deliberately didn't say balance as a contributing problem
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: for younger riders or people who are in experience. Don't
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: you think this would be great to have this rider
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: assist writing technology.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: No bullshit, we're becoming so fucked and fragile. Now we
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: need a self balancing fuck off with yourself balancing motorbike.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I was so excited when I saw that. I thought
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Crago is going to get really happy and excited about this. Now.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I do want though. I want
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: a robot dog that blow shit up. That's what I want.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: China's done it. So China seems to have been the
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: first they got one of those robot dogs. We've seen
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: them all, the Boston Dynamics dogs, and there's some weapon
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: on the back of them. So now they've got who
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: knows what they're going to be using them for urban
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: warfare or just knows what. That's really pretty frightening, actually,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: you know, I'd hate to think that they're autonomous. I
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: could kind of understand if they were under remote control.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: But the idea of some sort of autonomous four legged,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: very fast, very agile upstairs, downstairs, round corners with a
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: gun on top, we're just frightening to see. I don't
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: know if you saw the photos of it, but actually
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: has deployed a dog, robot dog with a weapon on
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: the back of it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I know, imagine sending that into bloody warfare, like into
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: yeah exactly, I mean that. Yeah, I mean the technology
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: in that space is Yeah, that that that scares me
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, war scares me. Like, fuck,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: that's a whole episode. Why can't we humans figure that
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: shit out? Where allegedly the smartest species fuck, I don't know,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: have a look at some of the ship that we do,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: like some of the incredible shit we do and some
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: of the horrible shit we do. I reckon dolphins and
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: OCTOPI have got us covered. And elephants. Yeah, you know,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: elephants are super smart. Did you know that?
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: I yeah, you just told me so.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: They must be and also quite emotionally evolved. Yeah.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Look, I love seeing the videos of elephants when they
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: nurture and protect and they really have quite strong family ties,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: don't they community sense of how they they like dolphins too.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: They have language like they actually have like their version
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: of you know, verbal communication, obviously vastly different to us.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: But you know, all right, have you got a big
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: fucking highlight to close something out on? We didn't talk
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: about Scarlet, but we can discard her if you want.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Have you got a banger that you want to finish with?
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: So a lot of us use our browsers, and think
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: when I talk about browsers, I'm talking about you know,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: using Google Chrome or Edge or one of the other browsers.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: But Microsoft's Edge browser, which is not as used as
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: much as Chrome. And I guess if you're on an
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Apple device, you've got what safari? Is that what people know? Yeah,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: that's right, But this is a new feature that's kind
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: of cool. And I like to watch lots of videos,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: and a lot of independ and producers publish videos online.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: So foreign films smart small niche kind of five, ten, twelve,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: fifteen minute docos or whatever. But if there are in
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: other languages and they don't have subtitles, that's really frustrating
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: because they don't always have English subtitles. However, now Microsoft
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Edge will be able to translate and dub on the fly.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good. So real time video translation on
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: anything from YouTube, LinkedIn, you name it. And this is
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: something that's going to be built into the browsers. So
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: as you're watching, it could be from German, Hindi, Italian, Russian, Spanish,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: and it can convert it on the fly into English
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: or the other way around if you happen to be
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: a German speaker. So I thought that's kind of cool
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: that now it's going to make that sort of content
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: more accessible to people. Do you watch much YouTube or
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: do you look at foreign films?
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Do you like, Yeah, I watched too much. I go
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: down the old YouTube rabbit hole when I should be
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: reading a research paper or something because I've got the
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: attention of a four year old. But yeah, it's yeah.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: But satally, I mean, that's amazing though, that you can
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: watch something that is in a foreign language and have
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: it convert in real time.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: So it's called co pilot. And my dream for this
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: is to have smart glasses and travel around the world
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: where someone talks to you in Chinese and you get
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: the real time translation floating in front of you, like
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: a little talk bubble. You know, you can imagine talk
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: bubble appearing over the person as they're talking and it's
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: translating in real time. And if they were wearing the
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: same smart glasses with this real time translation, then you
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: you know, all the barriers to communication can be dropped.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: It would make life so fun and interesting.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: You know how there's always been talk about that eventually
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: we're not going to have to verbally speak, because we'll
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: just be able to read each other's minds or thoughts
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: or whatever, which who knows.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Frightening. I would not want to read your mind and
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: you don't want to read it.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I would not want anyone to like that's I'll be
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: put in an asylum. But I wonder if like you
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: go okay, so now I can Elon Musk and Joe
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Rogan talk about this a lot, this idea. They're fucking
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: infatuated with it. But I wonder if they ever got
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: to that, if you go to another country, if you
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: could understand, because they don't they don't think in English,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: like I wonder if do you know what I'm saying?
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: It's like like when you're just thinking about something, Like
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: when I'm thinking about something, it's not like there are
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: words in my head. I this is a stupid conversation.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? For people's mind if
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: you could read them in different countries.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Some people have a condition where they can't verbalize in
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: their head. They don't have the internal dialogue or internal narrator.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: So wow, that's yeah, that's a that's an ext condition
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: that some people have. But I guess do we think
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: in those arbitrary thoughts? You know, if I'm hungry, if
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I look at something and think that looks great. That's
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: a really interesting question as to whether on a deeper level,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: even though we may be applying words to that thought process,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: whether there is on a deeper level is translatable across
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: languages if it was just the emotion that's built into that.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: So if I look at my dog and I look
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: at him and I think of fondness and love because
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: I love my dog. We're'm about to take him for
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: a walk. I said the word, but in those senses, then,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't even understand how we do that
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: on a you know, kind of neurological I.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Think the thought is just like we don't think in
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: words like I'm not I'm not. I'm not looking out
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: my window now at the beautiful trees in my yard
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: thinking in my mind the words are, oh, they are
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: beautiful grand trees. What a nice outlook like that's not happening,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: like there's just the I what that'll do? You've killed
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: it again. For people who want to come and start
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: your joint or you know, connect with you in some way,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: or take Fritz for a walk, or steal your wallet
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: from your car, that's there. Watch your home address, watch
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: your web address. How do people do that?
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, our west of Melbourne. If you just drive on
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: the highway for an hour and then pull off at
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: the first time you get to, that will be where
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: I live. Traffic situation. I guess you could be enough,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Betty where no websites, NOOW, dot com, dot au. So
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: that's I guess my business. Website building part of it.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: We do lots of that sort of stuff, and I
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: don't really do the social thing very much in terms
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: of connecting online. So if you want to contact me
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: about stuff, you could just go to them and tie
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: cheer at home. I do have some online tie cheat
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: courses that Craig refuses to take part in and go
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: to ty chair at home and do some free time
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: chat classes or as I said, websites now, dot Com,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: tod au and check out what we do and all
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: that sort of stuff.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Well, if I could, if I was more flexible than
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: a fucking cricket bat, i'd get involved. But let me
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: let me work on that. Patrick, Thank you, Thanks Crego,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Thanks Mat