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  Speaker 1: My name is Greg with Dead Pioneers. Yeah, we got
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  Speaker 1: a new record coming out in a few weeks called Wagonburger.
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  Speaker 2: It's our third record.
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  Speaker 3: Fantastic, Greag, thanks for joining us today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me a lot pleasure.
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  Speaker 4: So, as you say, Dead Pioneers release your third album,
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  Speaker 4: Wagon burn on Dream the twenty think, how you feeling
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  Speaker 4: about it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Honestly, there's a lot of emotions and I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of I go through peaks and valleys, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited about it, and then I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: And we do these releases.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes they do, you know, really well, and sometimes they're
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  Speaker 1: doing that as well as I'd like, and it gets
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  Speaker 1: in my head.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited about it, but it's been a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a mind f Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I understand.
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  Speaker 4: Can you tell us me more about the album from
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  Speaker 4: a musical point of view and what you were gone
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  Speaker 4: for with it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean the first record was sort of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just trying something. In the second record is
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  Speaker 1: sort of a second act to that first one, and
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  Speaker 1: so the third one, you know, it feels more collaborative.
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  Speaker 1: We we kind of came together in a different way,
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  Speaker 1: and and we're also looking to maintain our sound, but
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  Speaker 1: also try to progress that sound a little bit with
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  Speaker 1: some with some different sounds and some different stylings. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: at our core, we're all, you know, the whole band,
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  Speaker 1: we're all music lovers and we just want to make
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  Speaker 1: good art, you know. So yeah, it feels like a
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  Speaker 1: level up from from what we've been doing, but it's
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  Speaker 1: still Dead Pioneers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and tonight you've released the singles Nazi Teeth and
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  Speaker 4: No Things. So would you say they're a good sunning
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  Speaker 4: representation of the album overall or are they just scratching
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  Speaker 4: the surface.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're good representations, but also scratching the surface.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we get I get in deep with some stuff,
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  Speaker 1: a few things. There's a couple of songs that are
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  Speaker 1: about community. There's a couple of songs that are you know,
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  Speaker 1: articulating an Indigenous experience for me. Yeah, I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a little bit of everything in there, and and
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  Speaker 1: just some different ways of approaching things.
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  Speaker 2: Like colonialism as well.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's a fine representation, but I think
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  Speaker 1: we can get in the weeds of it too. It's
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  Speaker 1: not bad to me, there's not the on line theme
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  Speaker 1: of oppression that's sort of seems to be central on
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  Speaker 1: the album's message.
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  Speaker 3: But can you ellab right on that a bit for us?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in the United States, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: become pretty clear sort of what's happening with I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: the United States as as the imperial force that it
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  Speaker 1: is has sort of shown its hand and so there
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  Speaker 1: there's no more secrets. This administration has really shown at
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  Speaker 1: every level how the deck is stacked and and and
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  Speaker 1: there's an argument there that like COVID sort of showed
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  Speaker 1: that as well, Like we have people at home, but
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  Speaker 1: people like can work from home. They don't have to
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  Speaker 1: they don't have to go to work, you know, they
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  Speaker 1: can they can just work remotely.
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  Speaker 2: But also just just that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that the the way in which you
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  Speaker 1: can see everything from the way that that the deck
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  Speaker 1: is stacked against marginalized groups in the United States to
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  Speaker 1: the way that the billionaire Epstein class are you know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously very privileged, and that literally the rest of us
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  Speaker 1: are just sort of beholden to their whims and with
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  Speaker 1: that comes food assistance and housing and the rising of prices.
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  Speaker 1: But like there's no living wage in the United States,
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  Speaker 1: Like all these things just pile in to I think
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  Speaker 1: recognizing that there's a constant oppressive force coming from multiple
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  Speaker 1: fronts on multiple issues that.
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  Speaker 2: That really are just keeping from Americans.
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  Speaker 1: And I keep saying America because I speak, you know,
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  Speaker 1: from the country, my home country.
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  Speaker 2: But it's very clearly not good. And I do think
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  Speaker 2: that's overflowing into other countries too.
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  Speaker 1: You can kind of see the veil sort of being
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  Speaker 1: lifted from other countries too. But our country is pretty egregious.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, healthcare is terrible. It's always been terrible, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, Vale's been lifted from all that. So even
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  Speaker 1: the conspiracy theorists are seeing, you know, that there's some
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  Speaker 1: some difficulties in there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm just in that nding battlement a pretty
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  Speaker 4: broad subject. But can you see you or feel the
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  Speaker 4: impact that bands such as yourself a making through your music.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've been you know, visual artists for over
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  Speaker 1: twenty one years, and and I've been an activist, you know,
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  Speaker 1: representing various issues within the indigen his community here in
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  Speaker 1: North America and h and been at protests and things,
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  Speaker 1: and this one strangely feels like I get to say
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  Speaker 1: what I want to say, but it also feels free,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm free to kind of do and say.
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  Speaker 2: What i want to say, Like I'm not beholden to anybody.
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  Speaker 1: I'm beholden to myself because everything is coming from my
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  Speaker 1: perspective and so I'm not trying to represent anybody. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just trying to say the things that that I know
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  Speaker 1: that are true or that are important. So it just
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  Speaker 1: feels different.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I also, I don't know. I don't I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to be. I don't want to be arrogant about what
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  Speaker 1: we're doing either. I hope we're doing something, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but uh, but I also understand that maybe you know,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't reach everybody, So yeah, maybe something, But I
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  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what you know. I'm just I'm just
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  Speaker 2: doing my best, man, I'm just doing just doing my best.
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  Speaker 4: They have been Take President sets the time for the
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  Speaker 4: rest of the album. With that, it's got a building
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  Speaker 4: narrative that sort of finishes with the line I am manifest.
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  Speaker 3: So you runs through that question and what that actually means.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, you know the West Word expansion.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when after the settlers took over the east
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  Speaker 1: coast of what is now the United States.
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  Speaker 2: When they began to expand west. They called it.
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  Speaker 1: Manifest destiny, and it was understood on some level by
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  Speaker 1: the name that it was sort of sustained by God,
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  Speaker 1: that it was fore ordained, you know, that that that
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  Speaker 1: God and country would take over and you know, do
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  Speaker 1: all the things and the justification of death that follows.
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  Speaker 1: To use that language manifest is to essentially call back
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  Speaker 1: the language that that really.
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  Speaker 2: Is the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Of the end of you know, the indigenous existence as
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  Speaker 1: it was in that time and place.
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  Speaker 2: But the to.
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  Speaker 1: Me, there's also another statement there about about manifest, that
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  Speaker 1: that I am what I am in spite of the history,
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  Speaker 1: in spite of the circumstance, that that my people.
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  Speaker 2: Are you know, we we are what we are.
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  Speaker 1: In spite of all of that, That that we are
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  Speaker 1: divine and that we are enough, and that we are okay,
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  Speaker 1: and that that really we are a manifestation now. Our
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  Speaker 1: existence now is a manifestation of both our existence and
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  Speaker 1: the circumstances that we've been put in. And so it's terrible,
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  Speaker 1: but also you know, we are we are still great,
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  Speaker 1: and uh yeah, it's sort of tied into all of that,
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  Speaker 1: but pulling language from from history as well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that there's a couple of spike and pieces on
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  Speaker 4: the album which order the message that would have been
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  Speaker 4: just as important to get right into creative prices, wouldn't I.
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  Speaker 2: I think so, I mean, yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we we actually recorded so much that we
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  Speaker 1: have enough for like a half a record. We have
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  Speaker 1: enough for like an epe, and so we're kind of
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  Speaker 1: trying to pick and choose, and we want a narrative
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  Speaker 1: and a sound.
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  Speaker 2: That that can kind of live in that space.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, like we we came into this
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  Speaker 1: record trying to be as articulate as possible, but also
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  Speaker 1: not pulling any punches from everything that has been happening,
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  Speaker 1: everything that is happening in the United States, and and
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  Speaker 1: so it is meant to be political and social and cultural,
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  Speaker 1: and so they're trying to find a medium in there
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  Speaker 1: with that because it's a lot of heavy stuff. So
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  Speaker 1: the humor that's existed in other places are a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more subtle on this one, but it's still there.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, we definitely are trying to curate
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  Speaker 1: something that that makes sense audibly and and in.
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  Speaker 2: The information that sort of exists in there lyrically.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Girl and Wagon Burda faceres guest performances from members
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  Speaker 4: of Cheap Perfume, The Interrupters, and Seaford month Mate. So
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  Speaker 4: tell us about their collaborations and what they brought to
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  Speaker 4: each song.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Cheap Perfume is a local band in Denver
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  Speaker 1: here and.
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  Speaker 2: They're good friends of ours, and we've performed with them.
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  Speaker 1: They've gotten a lot of they've gotten a lot of
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  Speaker 1: recognition for a song that they wrote in twenty sixteen
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  Speaker 1: called It's Okay to Punch nazis Uh, And we just
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  Speaker 1: saw an opportunity with Nazi teeth to just like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, there feels like a handshake there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: between between the two songs. But also Stephanie is she's
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  Speaker 1: my good friend. She's still such a sweetheart, and I
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  Speaker 1: think the world of her, and I love her voice
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  Speaker 1: in the way that she emotes, you know, with her
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  Speaker 1: with her her voice lyrically, and so it just honestly
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  Speaker 1: just made sense, Like it's something that's been on my
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  Speaker 1: mind since the second record of having her on there.
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  Speaker 1: But also, you know, on some level, my hope is
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  Speaker 1: you know, all boats rise with the tide you know,
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  Speaker 1: if we have some success, I hope that that helps
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  Speaker 1: helps them along too. And yeah, I mean it's we
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  Speaker 1: have a good relationship and I love them, the Interrupters. Boy,
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  Speaker 1: I've known the Interrupters for about six years now. I
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  Speaker 1: did a mural in downtown Colorado Springs and.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on eighty feet to meters.
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  Speaker 1: So I did a mural in downtown Colorado Springs, Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: It's about twenty twenty four and a third meters tall,
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  Speaker 1: so it's very big. And the figure is actually a
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  Speaker 1: portrait of my oldest kid, and they're wearing an Interrupter's
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  Speaker 1: T shirt and so they also have a handprint on
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  Speaker 1: their face, which in North America denotes missing and murdered
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  Speaker 1: Indigenous relatives, which is an epidemic where women and girls
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  Speaker 1: in particular face a murder rate up to ten times
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  Speaker 1: the national average.
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  Speaker 2: And so I did it in twenty twenty and.
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  Speaker 1: That was the image, but the Interrupter's T shirt was
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  Speaker 1: sort of part of it, and I titled the mural
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  Speaker 1: take Back the Power off of one.
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  Speaker 2: Of their early songs. The Interrupters got in touch. They
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  Speaker 2: wanted to print a T shirt.
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  Speaker 1: My kid was fourteen at the time, so if you
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  Speaker 1: can imagine, like your favorite band wants to print your
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  Speaker 1: face on their T shirts. And so they printed the shirts.
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  Speaker 1: We raised money for the cause, and yeah, we just connected.
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  Speaker 1: Every time they come into town, we see them, we're
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  Speaker 1: backstage and hanging out with them, my family but particularly
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  Speaker 1: me and my oldest kids stage, and we, yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: built a relationship. So in twenty twenty three, we pressed
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  Speaker 1: some records and we released the first record, which was
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  Speaker 1: completely independent, and I sent records to some friends. So
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  Speaker 1: I sent some records to the Interrupters. They were actually
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  Speaker 1: playing in town for the first time. They're usually in
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  Speaker 1: Denver and they were in Colorado Springs. So we met
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  Speaker 1: them at the Muror so we could take a picture
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  Speaker 1: all of us together. And the moment Amy stepped out
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  Speaker 1: of the out of the van, she said, I'm obsessed
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  Speaker 1: with Dead Pioneers, just based on what I sent them.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like cool.
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  Speaker 1: And then like the next time they came to town,
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  Speaker 1: she's like, when are we in to do a song?
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  Speaker 1: The next time came to town, She's like, what what's
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  Speaker 1: going on? We got to do a song. The next
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  Speaker 1: time I was with them, which was this last summer,
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  Speaker 1: we were on a on a festival bill. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: we have something we're recording next week. We'll send you
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  Speaker 1: the stems like, and we talked through it, figured out
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  Speaker 1: what we're gonna do, how are we gonna do it,
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  Speaker 1: and and it was right at the beginning because they're recording.
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  Speaker 1: I think they just finished recording their new record, so
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  Speaker 1: it was right at the beginning of that.
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  Speaker 2: So we sent it to them.
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  Speaker 1: They were in a good headspace and they turned it
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  Speaker 1: around within a few days and we had all the
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  Speaker 1: music ready. Kevin the lead guitarist, which is also Amy's husband,
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  Speaker 1: he added some organs, some more guitar, the entire interrupts
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  Speaker 1: cruise on the chorus with Amy, uh, sort of the
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  Speaker 1: main chorus in there, and they they sent it back.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't sure what to do with it lyrically because.
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  Speaker 1: It was a little more up tempo than what I
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  Speaker 1: would what I would normally do, and so we relied
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  Speaker 1: on Amy's vocals to sort of set the tone so
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  Speaker 1: that I would know what to do. As soon as
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  Speaker 1: we got everything, I knew exactly what to do and uh,
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  Speaker 1: so we just got back in the studio, rolled it
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  Speaker 1: out and uh and took care of it. But it's
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  Speaker 1: it's sort of this beautiful full circle moment, like we've
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  Speaker 1: known each other for a while.
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  Speaker 2: They've been so sweet.
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  Speaker 1: Amy is so sweet to my kid, who just adores her,
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  Speaker 1: and and there's just a lot of things there and
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  Speaker 1: I just feel indebted to and And for Amy to
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  Speaker 1: want to do a song was a big deal. And
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  Speaker 1: then for us to pull it together, uh was it
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  Speaker 1: was just yeah, pretty serendipitous.
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  Speaker 2: It was. It just kind of a full circle thing. Also.
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  Speaker 1: I mean honestly being on the same dull as them
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  Speaker 1: last year and then doing a song together, just like
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  Speaker 1: we we've we've gone on some weird trips with Dead Bioneers.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's been a pretty crazy road. And then Sleaford
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  Speaker 1: Mods was a little less dramatic. I wanted to work
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  Speaker 1: with Sleefford Mods. I really like Jason's voice and his cadence.
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  Speaker 2: Have been a fan of them.
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  Speaker 1: I mean when we were first putting this together, a
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  Speaker 1: conversation I had with Lee, our bassist in twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 1: and he was we were pointing at different artists that
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  Speaker 1: might help us figure out how to better define this
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  Speaker 1: thing beyond you know, pump was a spoken word with
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  Speaker 1: punk riffs, and he pointed out Sleaford Mods during their
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  Speaker 1: Spare Rib record release in twenty twenty one, and I
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  Speaker 1: was just immediately hooked. I was immediately obsessed. I love
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  Speaker 1: the way Jason talks, I love the way that he writes.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like really incredible. So our record label reached
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  Speaker 1: out to his people that got him the song, which
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  Speaker 1: which we finished. It was a song on its own,
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  Speaker 1: but we wanted to just do an extended bridge and
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  Speaker 1: have him on it, and so we sent the finish
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  Speaker 1: song and he loved it, reached out to me personally
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  Speaker 1: and was just like, I love this song.
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  Speaker 2: What do you want me to do?
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  Speaker 1: And I said, we have another version with an extended
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  Speaker 1: bridge and would just love your voice, love you to
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  Speaker 1: you know, jump in on that last chorus.
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  Speaker 2: And he's like done, and he like made it happen.
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  Speaker 1: And in the middle of like they were releasing their
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  Speaker 1: brand new record, He's about to leave like on tour,
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  Speaker 1: like it was. It was all real tight, but he
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  Speaker 1: did good by us, and I really appreciate that. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they say, don't meet your heroes, but it's
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  Speaker 1: all good. I've had some pretty good experiences with that,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So that's awesome, right, Yeah, Ridge of the press release
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  Speaker 5: might life it said, to the origin of Dead Pioneers,
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  Speaker 5: He's rooted in the twenty twenty piece called the Punk
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  Speaker 5: Pant Indian Romantic Comedy.
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  Speaker 3: Like that's something that really that's familiar on the start
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  Speaker 3: of the world. What can you explain that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So, I mean, as a visual artist nationally and and
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  Speaker 1: sort of internationally recognized visual artist, I have a number
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  Speaker 1: of different things that I've worked on.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I went to school for painting, but.
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  Speaker 1: I'm known for doing performance hard, which generally has a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different versions.
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  Speaker 2: Of what that looks like.
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  Speaker 1: But the Punk Pin Indian Romantic Comedy is sort of
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  Speaker 1: a one man show, spoken word piece.
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  Speaker 2: And so I tell a series of vignettes.
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  Speaker 1: They're just stories about how I grew up, about my
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  Speaker 1: relationship with my father, about shows I've been to, how
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  Speaker 1: important music was to.
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  Speaker 2: Me growing up.
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  Speaker 1: I lost my best friend when I was seventeen at
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  Speaker 1: he died at a rage against the Machine show in
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  Speaker 1: Salt Lake City, Utah. And so I'm just telling all
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  Speaker 1: these stories and relaying it back to music and how
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  Speaker 1: important music was growing up, but also just how much
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  Speaker 1: my family, my parents like instilled that in us.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 1: We had I basically had musical segues between each little story,
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  Speaker 1: and so reved a grant to help fund an effort
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  Speaker 1: to create original music for the segues, so I could
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  Speaker 1: tell a story and then have an original song via
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  Speaker 1: the segue.
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  Speaker 2: So on the first record, there's a song called Rage.
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  Speaker 1: That is a song about my best friend that passed away,
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  Speaker 1: and so like we I wrote these songs about that.
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  Speaker 1: But once we got into the studio, we just kind
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  Speaker 1: of made something and it was more than just like
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of music that we could use. It
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  Speaker 1: was like full pieces, you know, full full length songs,
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  Speaker 1: full ideas, and also just kind of ran with it.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: So this performance art piece it was about.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: All these things ended up sort of being capped off
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: by like accidentally making a band.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: That's what I say, Like we accidentally put a band together.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: When we put it out into the world, I just
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: kind of was like wanted access, wanted to be able
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: to share it and just kind of put it, you know, online, And.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: We were we weren't even really like we were a band,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: but we weren't a band. We weren't performing.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And uh and didn't actually perform until I think our
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: first real show. We did a couple of little museum things,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: but it was, you know, something totally different. Our first
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: real show was late January twenty twenty four in Denver,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: and but like leading up to that point, just you know,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: being independent, just sort of a you know, just a
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: little personal release. I signed up for Distro so I
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: could get it on all the streaming services, but then
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: so I could just point people to it and just
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: like share it within my own artistic group and like
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I've been okay, you know, following on Instagram and yeah,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: you can just like you know, put shit online.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: That was it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: That was all I was trying to do. Didn't expect
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: it to take off the way that it did. But
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: but it's all tied back to that. And we have
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: a performance coming.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: We haven't announced it yet, but it's it's just after
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: the New Year. We're doing a weekend at the Stanley,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: which is the hotel where they shot The Shining and
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be it's supposed to be like the
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: most haunted hotel in America, but it's in it's in
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: near Boulder, Colorado, so it's just a few hours from
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: from me and uh, we're gonna probably do I haven't
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: done the punk Pin Indian Romantic Comedy eight, but we're
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna tie it into the weekend, but have
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: a live band for those segues and uh, and be
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: able to kind of tie things together.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's awesome. And is there any other games
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: coming up that people should.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Know that, I mean in the US, you know, we're
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: just doing Uh, let's see, we're playing the Day before
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Independence Day, which is like the two hundred and fiftieth
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: anniversary of the America signing of the Declaration of Independence.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just calling it the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: of White Independence. But we're playing the day before White Independence.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: But like when they signed the Declaration of Independence, they
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: refer to native people as merciless Indian savages. So the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: third is we're calling it merciless Indian Savages and friends
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Dead Pioneer's Day.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: We're gonna play our.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: New work, We're gonna talk a lot of shit and
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: just have a good time, and then we're we're gonna
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: be in Europe for festivals for a few weeks at
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the beginning in July, doing a couple of festivals here,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: trying to prep for the rest of the year and
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: also for next year. There is it's not confirmed, but
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: there's talks about trying to make it down Under.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: So fantastic, Bro, Thanks very much for you, Tom Greg.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Be an absolute pleasure to speak with you.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Bro.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: The album Wagon Burner is out through twenty sixth and
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: it's a really good lesson side before Man excellent slave
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: of music and is quite quite profound in what it's
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: trying to say.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: M's so well done.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Oh thank you man. I really appreciate that. It's good
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: to meet you.