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#379 - For Azeroth!: “Wind Chimes and Weak Auras" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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It's just like, you know, if you use crutches for a long time,
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eventually you lose the muscles, the development of your muscles
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that are supposed to help you to walk on your own while they use
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the crutch of the add on community for a long time and
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now they don't have the muscles to properly develop and design
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these boss fights. Victory for the Forsaken.
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For Lauderon. For the Karen tour for.
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Pandaria. For calendar.
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To the burning region. For gilnaeus or has not died
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for. The Lich King for the.
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Sindora for the Alliance for the Horn for Azeroth.
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Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
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I am one of your hosts, The true man, Manny, or just Manny.
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And of course, I am joined by the two parts of the triumphant.
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We're introducing Rhea, who is saying hello to you right now.
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We have her coming all the way from the wonderful.
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Did I say North Carolina last time?
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We're gonna go with South Carolina this time.
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Hello, Rhea. And hello, Lex.
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How are you? I am good, I am living the
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dream. I posted about this in the
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discord, which you can join by the way at fit dot LY slash spaz
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discord. But I got the World of Warcraft
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cast iron today so I'm going to be making a little skillet cake
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after. This is my branded World of
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Warcraft cast iron. You can always get me with
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usable merch. I am so like with merch in
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general, I get so anxious about like, oh I don't know where
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would I put it? What would I do with it?
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I can. I only get World of Warcraft
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merch around like Christmas when I'm buying it for the Guild or
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for my friends and I just buy myself a little piece too for
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fun. But if the merch is usable
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immediate purchase I will spend when that cast iron.
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When I saw the link that there was a cast iron that was World
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of Warcraft branded, I had fully prepared myself to spend up to
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$100 on the cast iron and it was only 40, so I was very happy.
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Yeah, yeah, I, I was a little sketched out that it was only
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40. I was like, oh, but like, you
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know that stuff because it's got the branding is going to cost
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more and stuff, but the brand apparently is actually good is
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what people are telling me. Not just pretty, pretty
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standard, at least for for enameled cast.
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For not sorry, not enameled for preseason cast iron.
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OK, OK. I'll, I'll let you know if it
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sucks, I'll tell you, but I'm very excited.
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Yeah, I, I, I do want the full review on that.
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I don't think it's something that I would buy just because
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I'm kind of particular about my cookware.
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I'm like very much like a, oh, I've got to get like this and
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this because I have a bunch of friends that are that are
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trained chefs and we're like, you have to get this.
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And it's being like pushed it pushed into my head that like it
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is a particular thing. Anyways, we're now going to the
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East Coast of Canada. We have, of course, Sean.
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Hello, Sean. How are you and how's the World
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Warcraft treating you? Hi, Manny.
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Hi, Lex. I'm doing great.
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I can't wait for Lex's review of her cast iron skillet.
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On a scale of Richard Nack to Christie Golden.
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It's going to be fantastic. OK well yeah, Warcrafts went
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good. I I finally have some time to
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start dedicating to my EU character.
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So today I went and got my praise pushed up to nightmare
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tier. Did my did 4 delves, 4 bountiful
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tier, 11 delves. I'm 257 and will probably start
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filling my vault with 10's and twelves this week.
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And on NA, things are good. We're progressing through the
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raid at a really good pace. We are working on Mythic Light,
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Blinded Vanguard, and because Prot Warrior is incredibly good
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for that fight, I am in instead of calling it.
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So I get to be in for Prague on that.
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Yeah, OK, things are good, things are good.
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How about you? Well, the race is over.
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I'm done casting. I'm freed from my prison.
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Yeah, I'm I'm really happy to hear that.
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And we'll talk more about the race side and as we go through
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this episode, of course. But yeah, that is our first
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story. The race to world first is over.
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So at the end of everything, Liquid has taken or rather has
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retained the crown. They defeated the Midnight Fall
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encounter with 474 pulls. I mean just yeah, 474 pulls.
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Echo took second with 534 attempts and Method obtained 3rd
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place with 524 pulls. Even though they had less pulls,
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they were a day later so it was quite the intense race this
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tier. Method was more pulls, not less
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pulls. Less pulls?
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Did I switch all thumbs around? What's the switch to the
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background? I'm pretty sure you had the
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numbers right, but they were 500 plus and everybody else was sub
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500, right? I must have switched those
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numbers around. Of course, if you ever want to
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check this stuff, the the place that I was pulling numbers is of
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course Radar IO. You can check their global
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coverage and they will show you every every kill.
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You can check the that now you can see if any of them are
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currently streaming. So according to according to the
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tracker I'm seeing liquid at first with 474 echo, second with
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534 poles and method at 524 poles.
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So there might be an error on that, but that's where I'm.
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Pulling it from sorry I during the broadcast they use the
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Warcraft log pull counts, not the radar IO pull counts.
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Warcraft logs any pull that's under, I think it's 10 seconds.
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They don't count as a real pull, which is normally fine, but in
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this fight there is a hard wipe mechanic inside the 1st 10
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seconds, so not fine. So yeah, I apologize.
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Yes. No worries.
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But like, yeah, like, I mean, for those who aren't familiar
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with the fight, like how in the world does that Midnight Falls
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fight go down? It is like 3.5 phases.
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Walk us through this, Sean. Yeah, so the Phase 1, so in
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normal, heroic and mythic phase one is, is roughly the same.
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You're fighting. It's timed so you will.
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I just shocked myself 6 times. You will always fight all of
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phase one, no matter how much gear you have, no matter how far
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into the tier you are. So phase normal, heroic, mythic
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phase one is the same. You fight Laura.
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She shoots glades around the room, she shoots beams around
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the room, she does the memory game that everybody's familiar
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with, and she summons some crystals that you have to
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interrupt and then some ads you have to kill.
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Intermission is the same across all three difficulties as well.
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It's a bunch of star beams that you have to dodge and not get
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hit by. Phase 2 is the same in all of
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them as well. You get beams that you point to
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planets, then those planets get sucked into the Lura and you're
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moving in a circle at the same time.
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Mythic adds an extra mechanic and that where you have to
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spread phase three. Surprise surprise is the same
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across all three. There are like slight mechanics
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added on. Tops are a little more
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difficult, but you're fighting Lura again, but this time the
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room is filled with darkness and you have to stand in the light
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of the Don crystals that your party is carrying to be safe.
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And then this is where it differs.
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In Mythic there was a secret phase four.
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So on Sunday at Easter, Liquid brought the boss to 0.0% and
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started to celebrate because they thought they had won the
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race to world first. And Blizzard said not today,
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call an ambulance, but not for me.
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And he and Lura was risen and unlock the secret mythic 4th
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phase, which is super cool if you haven't seen it.
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It's visually beautiful. Lura resurrects into a dark
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Archangel format and she flies to the center of the dark well.
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And these hordes of void like Shaw are crawling their way out
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of the center and across the room.
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And you have to dodge them all while you're in the light of a
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single crystal and this beam chases you.
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It's very, very cool. It is a very cool effect.
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When it happened, it was like all over social media, everybody
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collectively was in, was involved in this moment.
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It was a really fun, fun reveal that that they managed to mostly
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keep it. And they had found some of the
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spells in data mining, but they just assumed it was stuff that
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was discarded from intermission that wasn't used.
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So they didn't, they weren't prepared for it.
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And then it took them, I think 2 more days.
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They killed on two. No, they killed on Monday.
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So yeah, one more day of Prague to get that kill.
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Echo killed it the same day, Well, the day after because they
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went to bed and got up, but I think it was the same.
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No, they killed it on Tuesday. Anyway, it was great.
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It was very exciting. Lure was a beautiful fight, very
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visually stunning and probably the biggest disappointment for
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me overall in the race, which we can talk about at some point.
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Can you imagine? Yeah, I mean, we, we can
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definitely talk about it. One thing I I want to talk about
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because you were there at the desk commentating and there for
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like several of the polls when you were doing your shift.
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And you, you've got to like feel what the, what these like
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players are doing where like you said, one team will go to bed
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and the other team will be working on it.
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And they'll be, there's a question of like, can you sleep
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well knowing that this might race might be over because
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you're only human. And that happened where Echo had
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to go was staying up super late. And then the secret mythic only
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phase got triggered and they're like, OK, well, there's no way
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we're going to be dealing with that.
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We've got to sleep. We can't do do any further extra
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hours And then liquid couldn't get the job done and they're
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like, we have to go to bed and now maybe echo's going to do
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that. So like, and during all of this,
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you've got method that is also progging at the boss percentages
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behind, but also progging at the boss.
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And they've got to feel like they they want to make up that
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time. But again, they can only do so
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many hours. And when I say hours, we're not
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talking about 2-3 hour raid days.
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We're talking about 14-16 hour raid days that get extended into
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these are long shifts where they are just hitting their head
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against the wall. That's how they get to 500 plus
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poles to to kill this thing in such a short time.
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So what is that like for the for the teams?
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Like how do they like make those calls to be like, OK, like we
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have to call it here? Liquid is very, very good about
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like this is our sleep schedule. We're not breaking it for
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anything. We're going to bed at bedtime if
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the boss dies while we're while we're asleep and the boss dies
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while we're asleep. And I actually think this is a
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strength for them because of the fact that it allows their
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players to get rest and to come back to the RIP fight strong in
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the morning. And I think it's, it's this is
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might be a hot take, but I think pushing the bedtime pushing,
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pushing that sleep time the way that Echo has done the last two
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tiers, I think it's contributed to why they've lost.
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Because I get it. It's, you know, this Herculean
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example of, look, we're pushing through rating until 2:00 AM to
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try to get this killed because we're going pole for pole.
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That's detrimental. If you just like in dementias,
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it wouldn't have made a difference because liquid killed
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it in that night time. But if they just go to bed when
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they're supposed to go to, if they had gone to bed on time the
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night on Sunday, if they're going to bed on time on Sunday
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before Liquid unlocked the heroic phase, they would have
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woken up to a heroic phase and been fresh and had a whole day
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to Prague. As opposed to going to bed late,
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getting up, being tired 'cause you're not going to sleep very
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well. It's just, I think it's a
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mistake. And then I I mean it.
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While Method played extremely consistently in getting to P3 in
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the fight for two days, there was some stumbling from them on
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fine on Bella Ren, Prague and early Prague on Laura and then
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again after the fact they played very poorly.
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They they were never in the like there was never in there was no
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opportunity that they were even close to either the other teams.
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So I don't think that they felt anything probably other than
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frustration of themselves. So their sleep schedule never
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changed because there was no reason to change it.
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Unfortunate. We're obviously playing at very,
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very different levels, but I do know there are frequently like
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final bosses where we will call the end of a rain night early
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because it's so obvious that we are just doing worse every
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single pull. And like, on the one hand, it
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feels like you kind of want to like white knuckle through,
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like, no, like we're just going, we just got to focus up.
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We just got to figure it out. We just got to go.
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But if you're just tired and frustrated and then like every
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mistake, you get more and more mad at yourself because you're
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exhausted. The number of times that we've,
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you know, ended a raid feeling like we're never going to get
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this boss down. And then the next raid night we
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get in two pulls, maybe like I, I again, very different levels,
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but if you're tired, you're not going to be working at the level
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you need to be. And so a couple extra hours I I
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totally believe that a couple extra hours playing at your most
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exhausted is much less worthwhile than a couple hours
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waking up earlier to to play at your most rested.
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Yep, even if it's different levels, like you're the, the the
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level on the total scale is different, but it it is one to
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one. You're you know, the rate that
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you're doing is as difficult to you as the the rate is to them
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for the skill level, right? They're at the level where
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they're they're playing a boss at their hardest level.
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They're doing their best. And so are you is just at a
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different difficulty level in the fight and that like I have
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100% I I'm with you. Like I couldn't possibly be more
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in support of what you just said.
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Like you need time to rest and sometimes just logging off and
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going to bed, you download the boss better like your your brain
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has a chance to process like, OK, hey, why?
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Then you wake up the next morning, you're like, I got it.
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I know it clicks while you're asleep sometimes.
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Yeah, in your asleep. That's like psychologically that
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when I was in college, I was a psych major and I very
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frequently if I was stressed about a test, I would study like
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immediately before bed because then it's running through your
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brain. Yep, yeah.
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OK, I mean this. I mean, the last two bosses were
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definitely exacting. They were fights where if
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somebody messed up something, it led to a wipe.
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It wasn't recovery thing. Especially since like with
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Midnight Falls, the first 3 phases are basically full DPS
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checks of like you've got to get that damage.
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You've got to make sure that when you're getting into phase
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three that you've got it to at least this point.
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And so there were like frequent times where they're like, oh,
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they're behind going into that first intermission, they're
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behind going into phase two, they're behind in phase three
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and how are they going to make it up?
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Where are they going to get this damage from?
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Same thing with Bellerin, where like there were particular
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things where like if you did not do it right, congratulations,
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pull again. And so when you have fights that
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are like the execution has to be at that level, aside from like
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some cheeses that the that the guys ended up doing, how does
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that weigh on the pull? Again, like there are times when
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you're like, OK, we're only doing a 2 minute break.
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We're only doing doing enough time off.
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So you can like run to the washroom and then get back and
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go at it again. But like that kind of
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requirement to consistently be excellent with so little margin
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of error, how does, how does that like weigh on those those
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teams? How does it weigh on like even
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the home teams when you're playing at that at a mythic
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level? I mean, they train for like they
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they're they're a lot of the players are used to this because
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they're the race world 1st pool, unfortunately is incredibly
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small. So if you were to look at the
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rosters of race world first, the top three race of the first
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teams this tier and go back 5 tiers, I'm willing to bet you
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have very few new faces, probably less than 25%.
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So they they've been there before they're used to this
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pressure they're used to playing that way.
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I think you see it more on so like a team like Liquid who's
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won the last now 4 races in a row.
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If you make a mistake, it's probably easier to forgive that,
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right? You're coming from a place of
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success like we've won four in a row.
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You made a mistake. OK, well we'll, we'll figure out
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the problem and then come up with a solution.
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On a team like Echo, when people are making mistakes, I think
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it's probably more intense on them mentally because they've
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lost four in a row, 2 incredibly close ones.
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So for them, mistakes probably feel more, they probably noticed
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that more and it it probably causes more pressure on them,
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which then leads to more mistakes because that's what
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will happen for a team like Method, I think.
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I think Method had more players who were new to the racer world
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first this year than either of the other two teams.
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And I think it showed just yeah, it showed.
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I don't like to use the terms locked in or focus up.
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That's those, those that means nothing, right?
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These players are all focused. They're all quote UN quote
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locked in. When you're watching a broadcast
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and the caster says the team, you know that the team wipes on
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something. If the caster says they just
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need to focus up and lock in, that caster doesn't have any
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idea what they're talking about and probably shouldn't be on a
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desk. Yeah.
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So it's they're, they're all, all these teams are focused so
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that those mistakes weigh on them.
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But you know, they're the best in the world for a reason.
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And hopefully the, hopefully the, the management around the
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team, the leadership around the team is able to, to coach them
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directly through that. But you do see it, you see, you
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see frustrations. You know, there was one day we
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had no Comm. We were told we can't cut the
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comms for the team. And it's because they were
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frustrated. So we weren't able to, to put
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them on comms for it. So it's, yeah.
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And it's also tough 'cause they're not just trying to win
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this race, they're not just trying to play at an extreme
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high level, but they're also putting on a show.
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There was over 300,000 people watching them.
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You know, when's the last time 300,000 people watch you do
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anything, you know, and and think about the pressure of
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like, you know, I mean, you know, the numbers of the
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downloads for the show does that.
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How much pressure do you feel just from that to put out a good
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product? You know, now imagine it's
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multiplied by whatever amount to get to 300,000.
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Spoiler alert, that downloads to the show or not 300,000, I
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guess. Yeah, like it's it's it could be
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though. I think it's products there, but
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yeah, it. Was let's get that pressure
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going. That's right.
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That's right. We just need more moms to
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listen. Yeah, but no, it's good.
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They put on a good show. They all played really well.
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And yeah, I think from a viewer's standpoint, it was
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probably a race that was a bit confusing, bit of a roller
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coaster from start to finish. But I like to believe that the
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ending was strong and that people will walk away happy,
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happy with the race overall. The vast, I think the vast
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majority will. I didn't, but I think I think
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others will have Sean. You've been hinting a lot.
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I really want to know what you're frustrated about.
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Tell me your feelings. Well, it's there's a couple of
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them, there's a couple of things.
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So and they're all intertwined. They all work together.
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Now we came into this tear being told, you know, we're further
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ahead along in the add on restrictions or further along
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further along in this add on list world, add on restriction
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world, API world than we want it to be.
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So we feel confident making this cut so that you won't have
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access to them because we don't think you'll need them.
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And we're going to design bosses and dungeons and raids going
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forward without them in mind. Cool, we all said.
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Well, some of us were skeptical, some of us were optimistic, and
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some of us said we can't judge them until we've seen the
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result. So let's see the result first.
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We've now seen the result. We've seen the first tier of the
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raid start. It started my my concerns
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started with the light blinded vanguard.
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So void Spire was being cleared very quickly.
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The community at large was concerned that the race was
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quote UN quote too easy. Oh, this race will be over by
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Thursday. And I mean for all intents and
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purposes, that first rate tier was over by Thursday.
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They cleared Chimeris, they cleared void Spire by Thursday.
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But in heading up to that, Blizzard did some reactionary
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buffs, which we talked about, yes, last week, reactionary
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buffs to the paladins, the the like blood of the vanguard
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fight. And I'm frustrated because one
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of the things they said they, you know, weak auras and
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computational weak auras restrict our design space and
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we're unable to be as creative as we want to be with those in
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place. And their first knee jerk
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reaction in how to buff the light blinded vanguard fight to
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make it more of a challenge was to include a dispel mechanic
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that required a weak aura to solve.
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They bumped the number from 4:00 to 8:00.
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The teams found a way around it, designed a weak horror for it,
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solved it that way, and anybody who didn't have access to it was
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hard stock and couldn't progress it.
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That's frustrating to me that there for now.
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So that being said, OK, it's their first tier.
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I say reactionary, but it was it was panic.
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That buff was panic. And we know it was because they
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removed it Tuesday after the kill.
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They completely reverted all those changes.
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OK, so you're you're in a panic. You're trying to say, you know,
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stop people from saying this race is too easy.
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You're trying to put up a wall that makes gives the team some
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kind of challenge. You go to the well that you
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know, which is make things harder by making them, you know,
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need require a weak or to solve because there wasn't really an
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effective human way to solve it without it.
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Cool. All right.
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So then they tell us. They told us, you know, the
23:34
messaging was clear. Illyria is the penultimate boss.
23:37
This raid tier even though it is 3 raids is not linear.
23:41
It's not dream rift then void Spire then March uncleod and
23:44
ass. We are weaving like they
23:46
literally told me personally in an interview we are weaving the
23:50
difficulty between the tiers so void Spire first one to three,
23:55
then chimeras, then back to void Spire, then Bella Ren after like
23:59
like blended vanguard, then a Larry is the penultimate boss
24:03
and then Lura. Well, when Alaria died in 30
24:06
pulse and everybody said that was too easy, they went back on
24:12
that and increase the item level of the drops from Bellerin and
24:15
increase the difficulty. And how did they increase the
24:18
difficulty of Bellerin? They made every mechanic A1
24:22
shot, which is a lesson that we learned 6 tiers ago. 5 tiers.
24:28
Like I can't remember how many tiers ago it was when they were
24:30
like, Hey, we we recognize that you guys don't like this
24:34
punishing thing where everything is a one shot for the team.
24:38
So we moved away from it and they have been to Blizzard's
24:41
credit, they have been extremely good.
24:42
I can't remember the exact here when they said they're moving
24:44
away from that. It might have been newer bar
24:47
palace. But anyway, they've been very,
24:48
very good about moving away from that.
24:51
But we reacted to the Bellerin to, to artificially making
24:56
Bellerin the new penultimate boss by going back to the well
25:01
and, and buffing her to a point that no other team could
25:04
hopefully progress her outside of the top, you know, maybe top
25:10
five teams because of the tight DPS check required.
25:15
And we see this week they have reverted all of those buffs and,
25:20
and brought her back to where she was, which is frustrating
25:23
because teams that got there and had no hope of progressing,
25:26
we're basically just told your raid, you don't get a raid week
25:28
this week. You get to go do Mythic plus
25:30
because you can't kill the boss you're on.
25:32
So OK, that's fine. It was done for the spectacle,
25:36
it was done for the race. It was done because people said
25:38
this is too easy. So now we're on Louvre, Midnight
25:40
Falls, the final boss of the raid tier and the, the, the,
25:45
the, the, the biggest selling point in, in an interview with
25:50
Paul Barker or with Dylan Barker and Paul Cuban, I asked them
25:55
what are they most excited for the players to see the new
25:58
mechanics that are coming. There's one in particular that
26:00
we're really excited about that we couldn't have done if week or
26:03
has existed. And we can't wait to see how
26:05
players engage with it. And it's the memory game.
26:08
It's 100% the memory game that he was talking about because it
26:11
was the only mechanic that wasn't seen yet by anybody and
26:14
it required a week or I have asked, I asked everybody I
26:20
casted with at the time. I've asked people that I've seen
26:24
that the raid is split into 3 phases.
26:28
Each phase gets a couple of pieces.
26:30
There's 5 icons that are shown. The phase with 10 people sees
26:34
two of them. The other two phases sees the
26:37
other three. But it would be so like it would
26:40
be like phase one sees the first one, phase two sees the second
26:44
one, phase three sees the third one, phase two sees the 4th one,
26:47
phase one sees the fifth one. And I asked people how and then,
26:53
and then in those five phases, 5 people in each phase are marked
26:56
with the icons and they all have to line up in the exact same
26:58
spot so that the beam hits them all at the same time in order.
27:03
Incredibly difficult, Incredibly difficult.
27:07
The teams wrote weak auras. One of the one of the core
27:13
tenants they told us was that we don't weak or we don't want weak
27:15
auras to be able to communicate to each other while in combat
27:18
through chat these all the week or that was written communicates
27:25
through chat to all the other players one person.
27:29
Well, in that case three people enter what icon they see and it
27:33
gets distributed to everybody else.
27:36
It, it, it is flatly and boldly against what we were told over
27:41
and over again for months that they didn't want to happen.
27:46
And I'm frustrated this is, this was like, this was the straw.
27:49
And I'm frustrated because a Blizzard designed this mechanic
27:53
this way, knowing this was the only like I've had people say,
27:57
oh, they just expect the people to call them out and then repeat
28:02
them until people are lined up in the right order.
28:05
It's you have like 7 seconds and the icons flash 1:00 every
28:09
second. It's there is no human way that
28:12
was the solution. Nobody's doing that.
28:16
So I'm frustrated that this was designed this way.
28:20
Obviously this boss was designed before the removal of
28:24
Computational week or as before any of that stuff.
28:26
It it obviously was, there's no question in my mind.
28:29
But I'm also frustrated because this was the opportunity for the
28:33
three teams at the top to not try to find a workaround, to not
28:39
do everything they could to get a get around and to just say,
28:43
OK, we're going to follow Blizzard's intent.
28:45
We're going to do what they say they meant us to do and then
28:48
fail and have it show so that then it had to be changed and
28:51
they didn't. So Blizzard designed it, the
28:53
teams found a workaround and now we're in a state where if you
28:57
don't have this add on, you're not killing Mythoglura.
29:01
And I'm, and I'm just like, well, if we're back to using
29:03
weak ores, I'm going to use our 1F.
29:06
Now what? What's it for?
29:10
What did we do all of this anyway?
29:12
That is OK, not to start drama on the podcast, but wasn't it
29:18
Max who was saying like, Oh yeah, you guys might be freaking
29:22
out by week or it's going away? We don't really need them.
29:24
Like that's that's that's like middle of the pack sort of
29:27
issue. We're going to be fine.
29:29
Yeah. Yeah, I I know that's not a.
29:31
Quote the middle of the pack don't have on staff coders to
29:34
build their own their own stuff. The middle of the pack doesn't
29:37
have like teams of like guilds that are going to funnel them
29:41
the loot so they can like get ADPS check that.
29:44
Even if I were to join one of those teams, I wouldn't be able
29:47
to make right. Like it's just it is such a
29:51
different world for race to world first.
29:54
Even if I were to attempt those bosses, like my team shows up
30:00
and gets 474 attempts at at this boss tomorrow.
30:04
I'm never gonna do that. Never gonna I'm never gonna make
30:07
that Like it's there's playing. They're almost playing a
30:11
different game when, when, and like I say, almost because the
30:16
race, the world first warps the game, even if you're not playing
30:21
it in every region, like prices start shifting around.
30:26
People start like be like I'm going to go do splits with blah
30:29
blah blah and lose out loot. So other guilds start slowing
30:32
down relative to their progress. Like it's just, it's such a
30:36
weird thing because it's like the way that they inflate their
30:45
item level, the way that they accumulate their power, the way
30:47
that they tackle the, these, these things is so different
30:53
from the way that you and I would do it at home.
30:56
They, they've got people who have like 1010 alts and it's
31:03
like, which one got the jackpot on loot?
31:05
That's the one I'm running with. And then they've got people who
31:08
are, who have like a backlog of alts that they decided to farm
31:12
up, you know, in that space between Thursday and the reset.
31:15
So they had even a deeper goal of characters to to go through
31:20
and they look at it and they're like, yeah, we don't need the 3%
31:23
Dr. from from rogues and the damage there isn't isn't really
31:27
worth it. So they kick the rogue and they
31:28
go get this thing they like the the what was it?
31:33
The Aug. The Ogvoker Tech.
31:36
So augmentation on So Bellerin. Bellerin got nerfed this week,
31:39
but actually got stealth buffed. Augmentation of Ogres were
31:43
brought to make sure that they were intentionally buffing the
31:46
Wind Walker Monk and the March Bishop hunters for the egg phase
31:49
augmentations. Eben Mite had a Max range of 100
31:52
yards, so they would position themselves so that only the
31:54
Windwalker Monk and the Marksmanship Hunters were
31:57
guaranteed to get that Eben Mite buff going into the
31:59
intermission. So they were forced funneling
32:02
this buff on them, which was increasing their damage, which
32:04
is allowing them to two phase bellerin on the egg.
32:07
They increased. Blizzard didn't like that.
32:09
They didn't want people to be doing that, so they increased
32:12
the range of that ability to 500 yards.
32:16
They said no, we don't want that 500 yards.
32:17
And that was the range for Eben Mite, which is a stealth nerf to
32:21
that egg now, because now you can't force your eben mite on
32:25
those three classes that you needed to have to two phase.
32:29
And now Bellerin will be harder to kill for a lot of teams
32:32
because you won't be able to two phase, which means you're going
32:33
to have to three phase it, which increases the healing
32:36
requirement because in that second, in that third Phoenix
32:40
phase, he has 20% healing reduction applied to the raid.
32:44
Well, and also that's the line, like that's the thing.
32:46
The Blizzard was like, oh, you that you guys can't do that.
32:49
That's not what we want you to do.
32:53
I'm doing that snap thing that young people do because I agree
32:55
with length. It was frustrating.
32:59
I wanted to love the race. I wanted to love it.
33:01
I, I'm going to let you talk in a second because I know I
33:02
bogutted the mic for this whole section and the spectacle of the
33:07
race was great. And if you're somebody who just
33:09
is tuning in to watch, it's exciting, it's pull for pull,
33:11
it's percent for percent, it was great.
33:13
But as somebody who's been tracking this for a long time
33:15
and as somebody who loves this game and somebody who who was
33:18
genuinely concerned about the removal of these tools that
33:21
everybody whatever. But a lot of people use and
33:24
being told, don't worry, we've got a plan.
33:26
And then the plan being just kidding, we don't.
33:29
It really puts it really put a damper on what should have been
33:33
a great race for me. And I don't know.
33:38
I don't know what this means for Atalu tech, but right now for
33:42
Lura, if you're not using this week aura and you're fighting it
33:45
on mythic, you're not killing it.
33:47
Luckily, northern sky developed it.
33:49
Relo over at northern sky. Shout out to relo the true hero
33:53
of of of add-ons. He developed the same thing that
33:57
these top teams had done. Hugo hero, hot pot hero got to
34:01
Lura. They don't have a coder.
34:02
They were literally offering to pay money to somebody to write
34:05
them the add on so that they could fight the boss.
34:08
They were the 4th place Guild in the world and they couldn't
34:11
fight the boss because they didn't have the add on that
34:14
Blizzard told them they wouldn't need.
34:18
Sorry. OK, now I'm done and I'm going
34:19
to drink my tea and I'm going to be happy about the next thing we
34:22
talked about. I feel like the add on
34:31
Apocalypse landed poorly in that if it had gone one way or the
34:41
other in terms of direction of severity, it might have been
34:45
better. But we saw, we kind of saw this
34:48
coming and it's because these teams, they're in a kind of each
34:55
having a gun to each other's heads where it's like if you do
34:59
not do this, you are giving up the advantage and you're
35:02
throwing the race. If Liquid did not do this method
35:06
and method and Echo would have would have done it.
35:11
To echo and methods credit, Liquid got to the boss and had
35:16
this written. Oh yeah, neither of them did,
35:18
and they didn't write it until they saw it on Echo's on Liquid
35:21
stream. So the first, the first strike,
35:26
so to speak, was from Liquid. And.
35:30
But but then they immediately. And then they immediately wrote
35:33
it right? I think if they had like liquid
35:36
was pre emptive about it they went dark on fire.
35:38
After 12 hours. Oh don't talk to me about cease
35:41
fires today. Anyways, the pre emptive strike,
35:45
they went dark on a heroic hole to test this thing.
35:49
They were going in guns blazing to make sure that they had had
35:54
this ready. Then of course, panic, right?
35:58
Like Oh my goodness, this this needed or did it need?
36:03
Like at this point we can only speculate that this was needed
36:09
to do this. I'm not like based on like the
36:12
speed at which it comes out. It really feels like it was I'd,
36:16
I would have loved to have seen an alternate reality where they
36:20
had done as you, you had said, Chon, they didn't do this.
36:24
They had butted their heads against the wall.
36:25
It had become mathematically impossible.
36:29
And Blizzard would have had to have said, hey, we cannot do, we
36:34
cannot do this anymore. But Blizzard was really trying
36:38
like they put out like hot fixes against different ways for weak
36:45
cores to communicate when they when they were seeing it like
36:48
that was something happening in the race where they're like, OK,
36:51
we're changing it so weak cores can't communicate to people
36:54
outside of the race. Because originally there was
36:56
some program that was like sending messages to like some
37:00
21st person that was outside of the raid and therefore their
37:03
computations could work and then bouncing it back into the raid.
37:06
So this was a whack A mole game in some cases of them trying to
37:10
be like, uh oh, people are people are trying to use those
37:14
computational add-ons. Let's let's bring the hammer
37:17
down on that. And they failed.
37:20
They did not, they did not get it down.
37:23
And that made me think that they had to go the cold Turkey route
37:29
because if they hadn't done it in the way that they did it this
37:34
time, they would not have seen it when they finally pulled the
37:38
trigger. And we would be in the same
37:41
situation just a Tier 2 later where team one team, regardless
37:47
of whether that's licked, regardless of whether that's
37:49
Echo, regardless of whether that's like some team in a
37:52
different region. That's like, hey, this is how we
37:53
get the advantage here. Would have found some clever way
37:59
and probably still will. I don't think that this is the
38:02
end of it, right? Probably still will find some
38:05
creative way and and until Blizzard wants to start throwing
38:08
out bands in the middle of race the world first because you're
38:12
not adhering to the spirit of the law, not the written word of
38:17
the law. Like it's gonna I feel like this
38:20
is a trend that's gonna continue and that's a sad reality that
38:24
I'm I'm thinking is where we're at.
38:26
What what do you guys think of it?
38:28
So not to play Sean's role, but one thing it sounds like in this
38:32
Blizzard whack mole that they didn't try was extending the
38:35
time, right. If if everyone universally is
38:38
going to add-ons to fix this problem, including insane things
38:42
like bouncing a message back and then they tell you back in, they
38:45
could have just extended. I mean, I, I guess I don't we we
38:48
don't know what would have happened.
38:50
If they've been like, it seems like it's a little too hard and
38:52
you guys are like fighting for your life to not have to do it,
38:57
stop doing that. But also now you know, it's a 14
39:01
second situation. I mean, I guess it's probably a
39:03
more complicated fix, right, Like that changes more things
39:06
about the boss that could make it messy.
39:08
But I mean, that's what they said they they do right?
39:13
They that was kind of the promise is we're taking away
39:15
weak or as we're going to make things more human and and
39:17
realistic versus. And the lie detector said that
39:22
was a lie. Well, that I think that might
39:25
have actually been the same interview where they said that
39:27
weak horrors weren't going anywhere.
39:29
So that was not a strong interview.
39:32
OK, so then Lex, if they had changed the the fights.
39:39
I just hold on. I just want to clarify the
39:41
bouncing messages bringing information back in was not for
39:44
the memory game. That was so that they could
39:45
track other people's cooldowns and externals and stuff.
39:48
Yeah, another, another functionality that was taken
39:50
away from us that everybody's been asking to have returned it.
39:53
Was also the fact that people would get buffs on them, right?
39:57
So Lex, you as a Demon Hunter, you get like arcane brilliance
40:00
and you're like, I don't need this buff.
40:02
And So what people would do is they'd be like, hey, Lex macro.
40:07
Remove Arcane Brilliance onto your cooldown so that and then
40:12
my add on will see that you've lost Arcane Brilliance and say,
40:15
oh, Lex has started your cooldown and then track it that
40:18
way. That was another thing like
40:20
people who were being very creative about like how they
40:23
were getting around the restrictions that Blizzard was
40:26
putting in. And I'm not arguing for
40:29
Blizzard's restrictions as some sort of utopia, like, hey, there
40:32
are lots of restrictions that they put in that I wish they
40:35
would adjust so that like people can play and like track
40:39
externals properly and all of this sort of stuff.
40:41
But every single restriction that they've put in, somebody
40:46
has attempted to find a way and in some, in many cases found
40:49
some creative way of breaking those restrictions.
40:53
And I'm, and what I'm saying is not that like, hey, like I'm not
40:57
being in a Blizzard, apologies. I'm just saying that like
41:00
regardless of when they said, OK, this is it, no more add-ons,
41:05
people were going to start doing those those workarounds.
41:08
The the examples that we gave are the same examples that would
41:12
have come up next tier if that was the tier that they decided
41:15
to throw the switch. Whenever they throw the switch
41:18
there was going to be a tier of people doing weirdness.
41:22
That's I I misunderstood your argument and that I do agree
41:25
with. I mean, I think there's an
41:27
argument to be made that if people are doing all of this to
41:32
get add on functionality back, do the players really want to
41:35
not have add-ons? That said, I have had a lot of
41:37
conversations with people, arguably myself included, the do
41:41
kind of feel like, I mean, it's not really that I want an add on
41:44
to like, you know, tell me. So stack over here, do this.
41:47
Like it's just I I know I'm going to because it's easier,
41:50
I'm going to play better. And so I kind of feel like I
41:52
have to like, otherwise I'm tanking the raid and I'm looking
41:56
like kind of an idiot. So it's that one's it's, it's a
42:00
hard thing to kind of parse out like, but but yeah, I, I, I do
42:05
kind of agree. And I think the more I'm in this
42:08
as well. I, I really do think that it
42:10
was, they were going to have to pull the Band-Aid off.
42:12
I don't think this is the right time.
42:13
I think that they hadn't perhaps enough Like I, I, I, but I, I,
42:19
yeah, I think, I think this. Is just.
42:23
I think the concept of a slow rollout was never really
42:25
feasible. Yeah, I agree with that.
42:29
I agree with that. The this is just what we've
42:32
seen. There are workarounds that have
42:34
not that weren't aired to 300,000 people on Twitch, that
42:37
people are using today that get around things in other ways and
42:41
that you'll never see. And so now you're left
42:44
wondering, was that plus 20 key times because the players really
42:48
gained hard, or do they have some tech that they've not
42:51
released? Anybody else they've kept to
42:52
themselves? Which does also kind of defeat
42:55
the point of the like this was one of the things that was
42:57
frustrating me a lot with the race to world first and the
43:00
like, you know, Oh, well, they have people who are coding in
43:03
their you know, like on their team.
43:05
Is that that just means like it used to be.
43:10
Oh, it sucks. The people you feel like you
43:13
have to like know what add-ons to go download.
43:16
But you can find that on a Reddit post.
43:18
You can find most Google like you can Google like what add-ons
43:20
for your team will probably yell at you or nicely tell you what
43:24
you need. It was it was yes, it did mean
43:27
that like solo players maybe had a little bit more of a
43:31
difficulty curve, but it was a very accessible information.
43:36
And now it just feels like it's it's so much more, you know, the
43:44
elite and the plebs, right. And I, I think one of one of the
43:47
reasons I don't really watch the race world first is because I
43:49
think it sucks that it's three teams.
43:51
I think that's boring, right? I would love it.
43:53
I, I think, I mean, yeah, yeah, like 3 teams technically.
43:57
But like, I, I think the base would be really fun if there was
44:02
actual competition. And I understand 99% of that.
44:05
If there's not enough players, there's not enough interest,
44:07
there's not enough money. Like there's a million reasons
44:09
why it's a super limited pool. That's not little things that
44:13
make it harder. But yeah, if you can only
44:16
realistically compete in the raced world first, if you have a
44:18
dedicated coder on staff, it's a two team race.
44:23
Like there's there's really that's not a there'll never be
44:25
an underdog. Not that there really was any
44:27
way, but like baby, right, Like it was on the table and now it's
44:32
completely off the table. There will never be a surprise.
44:35
Like I mean, maybe not never there'll I'm sure they'll get
44:37
better at doing these over time, but like it just it just
44:40
increase again. It feels like there's the
44:43
special people that get their cool week auras made, hand
44:45
picked for them and then all of you losers got to figure it out
44:48
otherwise. I, I feel like that I don't like
44:56
that argument. I feel that there's so many
44:58
different things that are contributing to like the
45:01
stratification, right? Like I already talked about the
45:05
splits and, and that like the amount of people that are
45:10
funneling loot to these guys, so their item level suddenly
45:12
balloons way higher. The fact that like last week one
45:16
guy had the top 2 geared play things.
45:20
And that's, that's not because he really like, I mean, he
45:23
worked hard. Let me let me stop myself there.
45:25
It's not it's not just because he worked hard, it's that he had
45:29
like 40 additional people that were also working hard and gave
45:34
up their loot to give to him to to like stratosphere his an item
45:39
level. It's the fact that like, hey, I
45:44
wish I could take off like that much time to spend making that
45:50
many attempts at a boss. I wish that I had a personal
45:53
chef that was on on hand so that I could get meals and not have
45:56
to worry about cooking. I wish that I had a team of
46:00
people being like, hey, Manny looks like in phase three, this
46:04
happens and that and this happens so that I didn't have to
46:08
rely on John being like, Manny, you're doing it wrong. 2 weeks
46:11
later after he sees the stuff because he was born and said,
46:13
Manny, you're being an idiot. Like it's there's like so many
46:16
things that like make this such a stratification.
46:19
Like yes, the this does add to it and is no less an of a
46:28
contributor to that. But all of the other things are
46:33
stuff that we have yet to like to like really note.
46:39
And I don't want to note this one thing alone.
46:41
Like it's some special case. It is a new contributor and
46:45
equally as as like separating is everything else but is not
46:49
standing on its own. That's fair, I guess.
46:51
Maybe more so. What I should say is if
46:54
Blizzard's making changes in the game that are meant to affect
46:58
the Race to world first team, I think that movement should be an
47:02
attempt to make it more like like accessible, not an attempt.
47:08
An attempt, OK, is not the word that I'm trying to say.
47:10
I think the focus should be on how can we make this something
47:14
that more people can access? And I think that if it it
47:19
increases the difficulty of of smaller teams breaking in, I
47:26
think that should be considered a strike against.
47:30
But I hear you that like, yeah, right.
47:33
Like, unless they're going to start pumping, you know,
47:35
Blizzard money into E sports to make it so that more people can,
47:38
you know, have the type of job or like can take time off and
47:41
then be gamers full time or like, then by and large, none of
47:47
this really matters, right? I, I, I, I hear that.
47:49
And I think that's fair. And that's also probably why
47:51
they don't care, right? That's also probably why that's
47:53
not really on Blizzard's radar, because the number of things
47:56
that have to change to try to make the race world first more
47:59
open to more people is so like, you know, they'd have to change
48:04
the concept of capitalism in America, right?
48:07
Like, I get it. It's it's complicated and it's
48:09
difficult and they've tried. My understanding is that
48:12
Blizzard has played with like attempting to do E sports is a
48:16
Blizzard thing and it's kind of always fallen on his face.
48:19
So I. I think that's why you have like
48:22
the AWC and you have like the Arena World Championship and you
48:26
have like the MDI, which is basically just the great push,
48:30
but they decided to go with the more popular name.
48:32
Not anymore, no. They changed it back.
48:34
It's back to speed running. Back to speed running.
48:36
Oh, I'm happy to about that news.
48:39
I was unaware of that. Thank you, Sean.
48:41
You're welcome. So MDI, that's actually going to
48:44
be high. MDI is going to be worse though.
48:47
The add on changes were meant to.
48:49
To quote Blizzard, the at the the at the new add on changes
48:53
and the changes of the API are meant to.
48:54
I think this is the phrasing Lex was looking for.
48:57
Narrow the gap from the top end to the bottom end.
49:01
And in fact, it has widened that gap instead.
49:05
So A-Team like mandatory who has access to their own coders is
49:10
going to be able to use all of their tools as they speed run
49:13
dungeons and they're going to be going up.
49:15
It's because teams like Ducks can fly who I can almost
49:18
guarantee you do not have an on staff coder.
49:23
So MDI is going to be, yeah, it's if we thought the race to
49:29
world First was egregious in the level of, you know, and
49:34
everything that many mentioned is, is all part of that.
49:36
The cooks, the splits, the they have entire organizations
49:39
designed to make them the best. That's what they do.
49:42
But the MDI is a team of five, and some of those teams of five
49:45
have access to those same coders because they're all parts of
49:48
those organizations. So if you're not on one of
49:51
those, you better hope Northern Sky put something out for you
49:54
from Ethic Plus. Spoiler they won't.
49:57
My my hope is actually that Blizzard sees all these work
50:02
rounds, sees what failed or did not go according to the plan
50:08
might be the better the better way to phrase it for their
50:12
benefit. But like everything that didn't
50:14
go according to plan and they adjust it for one point O 7,
50:20
which is an X rate that's going to open up, right.
50:23
And for sorry, 12 point O 7. And then for 12.1, they again
50:30
address it for the Mythic plus and for and for everybody.
50:36
Because while this has become an additional stratification
50:42
because some people are pushing with those weak ORS and some
50:47
people are not, generally I feel like the accessibility of most
50:53
of rating has increased because heroic is not that same beast.
51:00
In fact, I think people who are able to push relatively far in
51:04
Mythic aren't laughing at her. They're like, this is this is
51:07
nowhere near the challenge it used to be.
51:11
People who are wading into the waters of Mythic plus find it
51:18
more accessible. People who are cutting their
51:21
teeth in in the PvP or finding it more, more understandable,
51:30
more readable, because that's something that was always
51:35
daunting with PvP was that I was like, I can't even follow what's
51:39
happening as a spectator, let alone in the midst of it.
51:43
And so if they can continue to do that, yes, the the current
51:48
pitfall is that mythic rating where the stratification is 100%
51:53
expanding. And as you are prophesizing,
51:56
it's going to be that much worse at these cutting edge level
52:00
competitions. But for the people at home, has
52:04
this been the same failure in your mind, Sean, in your mind,
52:10
Lex? Well, I I.
52:12
Was going to say I think we just need to separate.
52:14
Separate out accessible and easy, right?
52:16
If I, I think if the mythic people are like, Oh my God,
52:19
heroic is the face rule, nothing ha ha, ha, that doesn't
52:22
necessarily mean that heroic is more accessible, which means
52:24
it's easier and I guess it's a little bit of a square
52:28
rectangle, right. Like on the one hand, yes, if
52:32
something is easier to do, it's more accessible to more people,
52:36
but I, I don't think that should be the goal.
52:38
At least it's not that I want heroic rating to be boring.
52:41
And I, I will say, I mean, again, my team has unique
52:44
struggles this year. So we might be having more
52:46
difficulty than other people, but like, we're all on DBM,
52:49
right? We very quickly realized that
52:50
the functionality of World of Warcraft internal UI and alerts
52:56
and stuff was not doing it. And we learned the DBM actually
52:59
is doing a lot of the stuff that DBM allegedly not supposed to be
53:02
able to do. And we all went back on DBM.
53:05
So I, I, I guess it just feels honestly I not much different
53:14
except kind of uglier is my take right now.
53:20
So one of the one of the struggles that I've that I've
53:25
seen teams having is with the Dragons, the breath.
53:30
That is, that is when we went back on TPM.
53:33
OK, right. And so Blizzard's default for
53:39
when that breath is on you and targeting you is laughable.
53:45
It's just it does not point it out.
53:47
Sean has also pointed out that on Crown there is a mechanic
53:51
that just flat out is not signposted at all, right?
53:57
Do you consider that gaps in their in their setup or are you
54:04
saying that every fight in general is less accessible
54:09
because of the the gap between DBM and the default?
54:14
Are there no fights like you went through three of them
54:19
without without hitting it? You found like definitely one
54:22
that I point to and go like, Oh my God, like that is AII call it
54:27
a gap, right? That's a fairpoint that it might
54:31
be more like there's individual. I, I personally have not loved
54:37
this tear. It's felt very messy.
54:39
I it has not felt like there's a, a clear ramp of difficulty
54:43
like I, I and I, I personally also really do not like the
54:48
split raids. I thought that was really
54:49
exciting when it came out. And I especially like what they
54:52
originally were saying of like, you're going to go here and then
54:54
you're going to do this. Like I no, I'm sorry that's
54:57
confusing and annoying and I do not want to spend my great
54:59
nights running around to different locations.
55:02
So I may be being a little bit of a downer in general, but that
55:07
that is AI guess The thing is that the gaps when when gaps do
55:17
come up now it feels I guess worse like a lot of these gaps
55:25
wouldn't. And again, they are usually just
55:28
solved by by downloading an add on again, which I guess you
55:32
know, to what I said a few minutes ago.
55:35
Like it kind of means nothing changed.
55:37
It's ugly, right? And maybe that's not terrible.
55:39
Like maybe status quo isn't the end of the world.
55:42
It kind of makes me wonder what we did this for, as we love to
55:45
say on this show. I already used the F bomb lux,
55:49
you don't get to use it. I already used this show.
55:54
Yeah, I mean, I I guess I don't I don't think we're in like a
55:58
crisis. But also I was on record saying
56:02
I thought it was going to be really fun to not have add-ons
56:05
and to get to experience this all in real time.
56:07
And I'm not finding myself enjoying rating significantly
56:10
more now. And it just kind of feels like,
56:13
oh, Jesus Christ, you guys also couldn't figure out how to like
56:15
alert that one properly sick. I love that I can't change the
56:18
like. I love that I can't decide what
56:20
we're going to show up when this is fun.
56:23
I guess I'll go back to TBM, which is the thing I wasn't
56:25
supposed to do. So it, I guess I'm just, I, I, I
56:30
was expecting this to be like a really fun, creative, exciting
56:32
tier where they're getting to experiment with stuff and
56:35
instead it's just feeling like, damn it, you know?
56:41
OK. And then feel X.
56:43
You should have AT and be happy. That's what I did.
56:45
I had AT and now I'm happy. There you go.
56:50
Yeah. You want my thoughts, Manny?
56:51
You want me to tell you what I think?
56:52
Yeah, Yeah. I think it is something that's
56:56
always been there. There have always been gaps in
56:58
what Blizzard has designed and put into the bosses and what
57:01
information they give us and how they presented to us and the add
57:04
on community. We're the heroes we needed.
57:06
They took it on themselves, they put it on their shoulders and
57:09
they carried all of those things.
57:11
If there was a if there was a mechanic in a fight that
57:14
Blizzard didn't clearly define to let you know, hey, this
57:17
ability is on you. add-ons did it for us.
57:19
Somebody designed a week or for it and we use that.
57:22
Blizzard said, hey, we don't like that.
57:24
And to their credit, they shouldn't have been just relying
57:28
heavily on that. It's just like, you know, if you
57:31
use crutches for a long time, eventually you lose the muscles,
57:34
the development of your muscles that is supposed to help you to
57:36
walk on your own while they use the crutch of the add on
57:40
community for a long time. And now they don't have the
57:42
muscles to properly develop and design these boss fights.
57:45
I get it. It's OK, that's what happens and
57:48
everybody has said there's going to be growing pains.
57:50
Let's talk about the cooldown manager which came out in 11
57:54
point 1.5. So what's that 3 1/2 patches
57:58
going out? There are still abilities that
58:01
can't be tracked. There's a hunter ability that
58:04
increases your damage by 30% that there's no way to track it
58:07
other than your buffs to the top of your by your mini map.
58:09
No way to know when you have this buff active or not.
58:15
Death Knights still can't track all their abilities, So, you
58:18
know, you still can't track racials, you still can't track
58:20
potions without using an add on, still can't track trinkets.
58:24
Nobody uses trinkets, do they? It's not like they put a 2
58:28
minute trinket in this raid or a minute and a half drinking in
58:31
the puzzle box in this season that everybody literally is
58:34
running. It was a 2 minutes that
58:35
everybody is running. Yeah.
58:39
And you know what? And here's the thing, I have my
58:41
team happy now. We said there's going to be
58:43
growing pains in this transition, expected it to be
58:45
worse than it is now and and you know the state that it is, you
58:50
know, can we overlook it because it's normal and heroic or easy?
58:53
Sure. Yeah, I guess, I guess so for a
58:55
mythic team, Heroic is easy. I get that, you know, it's not
58:58
accessible. It's easy for teams that are
59:01
progging heroic. I know some teams that are
59:03
progging heroic, much like Les Experience until they installed
59:07
Bigwigs or DBMI think Bigwigs is superior, but Bigwigs or DBM and
59:12
like the northern sky week or or the northern sky pack that gives
59:15
you warnings. It they struggled, you know,
59:18
there was more tank deaths than we'd ever seen before because
59:22
tanks weren't being told when it's on because the if you track
59:25
the Blizzard, the Blizzard timeline, not only is it not
59:28
always accurate, but it gets to the bottom.
59:30
And they intentionally said, well, when it gets to the
59:31
bottom, that doesn't mean it's casting.
59:32
That means it's next in line. That means it's spell queuing.
59:35
So like, well, what? No information is better than
59:38
bad information. So, but we knew we knew it was
59:41
going to take a tier. This is their tier.
59:43
If a tall utec 12.1, the troll tier launches like this, that'll
59:47
be my last tier. I'll be done.
59:48
I'll be I'll I'll leave the show.
59:50
I'll be done with Warcraft. You'll all never see me again
59:53
because I'm not. They get one.
59:55
They get one tier. I'm not going to go through this
59:58
again next year. If next year launches and it's
1:00:00
the same state and we're all in the same spot and we're having
1:00:02
the same conversations over and over again.
1:00:04
This is one of the reasons I left the Navy.
1:00:06
I couldn't have the same conversation every single day.
1:00:08
And that's what the Navy was. It was the same conversation
1:00:10
with the same people every day. Every we had a saying in the
1:00:14
Navy, every time is like the first time.
1:00:17
No matter what the Navy did, it had been done dozens and dozens
1:00:21
of times in the past. There were standard operating
1:00:23
procedures for everything, but that didn't matter.
1:00:26
Every single time we did anything, it was like the first
1:00:29
time it had ever been done in the history of mankind.
1:00:33
Did anybody ask what happened when the last ship did this?
1:00:36
No, no. Oh, 'cause this is probably,
1:00:38
this is probably some growing pains that we could have
1:00:40
avoided, you know. Did they come into these?
1:00:43
Oh, we don't know. We didn't ask them.
1:00:44
You didn't. You didn't ask them.
1:00:45
This is an incredibly complex thing we're doing.
1:00:47
Well, you didn't think to ask the people who did it like 6
1:00:50
months ago? Yeah, you'll be.
1:00:54
You guys will be looking for. You'll be looking for a new host
1:00:56
Manny, if it comes out like this.
1:00:57
So let me ask you, do you think Blizzard will have it figured
1:01:00
out by 12.1 in August? So here's my here's my.
1:01:06
I guess I'm going to consider this the closing thought.
1:01:08
Here I am. By the way, I am happy.
1:01:11
My tea was amazing. And I can see light at the end
1:01:16
of the tunnel. I'm about to be free.
1:01:20
Blizzard did not have proper. Conversations with add on
1:01:25
authors at the outset of this, there was hope that maybe they
1:01:31
would get they get things together and have less
1:01:35
disruptions than they have had. I did not expect it to go
1:01:41
perfectly, but I think that they need to refocus.
1:01:45
They need to lock in like the cast who say and callback.
1:01:50
Good callbacks. I love you guys.
1:01:53
I'm going to miss you in August and they need to focus.
1:02:00
On making sure that this that the issues that came up this
1:02:05
time are solved so that we aren't having the same
1:02:09
conversations again. I think that there will still be
1:02:11
problems, but if there are new problems, if they are, if there
1:02:14
are new workarounds, at least then we could say it's progress.
1:02:19
I think that they need to start handling this with a Red Hat
1:02:24
program. Find the holes in our in our
1:02:29
logic, find the workarounds, hire people that they're just
1:02:31
going to looking to break the system.
1:02:33
Be like, oh, I can just recreate this doing this way, right and
1:02:37
just have them going at it because clearly the teams and
1:02:41
the community is already going going at it.
1:02:44
And then if that is the case, that will still be a different
1:02:49
conversation where Lex goes, this isn't signposted well
1:02:55
enough and I need an add on. And if that's the same
1:02:59
conversation they're having at the top end, that's way better,
1:03:03
way more uniform than, oh, I've got to go to to this Guild to
1:03:10
hopefully get them to release it.
1:03:12
And I'm sure that number of the Guild will do that method,
1:03:17
method liquid echo, because that gets more eyes on their their
1:03:21
website and and so forth. So like now that the race is
1:03:23
over, guaranteed you that's a suite of add-ons will be out
1:03:28
there that give all of that, that sort of stuff just like it
1:03:31
has been in many different times.
1:03:32
But at least the working plebs had their versions of those
1:03:36
atoms that came out from the community at large.
1:03:41
I think this was also partially compounded because the weaker
1:03:47
dev packed packed up said, I'm not doing a compromised version
1:03:51
of this where somebody picked up that forked it and said I'll do
1:03:56
a compromised version of this. And other people did not think
1:03:59
to to do that. So they all have their forks
1:04:02
that are out there. That stuff will be obviously
1:04:06
picked up and analyzed. And I think that they just need
1:04:09
to really work on the solution because I think the hubris was
1:04:16
that they thought that they would fix it one way and that
1:04:18
would be good for all time. And the community has shown that
1:04:22
they are way smarter than that. I agree in.
1:04:28
Other news, there was no midrade wall boss for the first year
1:04:31
since Chattelands. So we did it.
1:04:34
That's a win. That's a win.
1:04:36
Yeah, that's a win. The wall is actually flying to
1:04:39
the other box. That is no.
1:04:45
One was able to see that one anyways, now that.
1:04:47
The race the world First has concluded.
1:04:49
We have seen a number of hot fixes.
1:04:51
We have seen a number of changes, both class balances and
1:04:55
rate changes and item changes as well as PvP changes.
1:04:59
So the doors are open. We're seeing a new flush of
1:05:02
changes as well. Make sure you are looking at the
1:05:05
various websites to see what those changes are.
1:05:09
But until next time guys, may all your hits be grits.