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The Kenny Report | 15 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: This is The Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 1: Sorry day. Pauline Hanson apologises to the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 1: Indigenous Australians, but I'll show you how our political class
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Speaker 1: still ignores our greatest national shame. Senator Jacinta Nampuchimba-Price joins me.
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Speaker 1: The great hydrogen bomb. From spruiking the green hydrogen revolution
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Speaker 1: to pretending they've been sceptics all along, Labor's wasted billions
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Speaker 1: of dollars... of your money. I'll speak with Shadow Treasurer
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Speaker 1: Tim Wilson. In the US, Donald Trump backs AI while
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Speaker 1: all forms of intelligent life seem to disappear on the
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Speaker 1: Democrat side. I'll cross to Kristen Tate. Plus the ABC's
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Speaker 1: typical take on immigration. Tim Blair on exporting Australian wokeness.
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Speaker 1: And the panel with Susie O'Brien and Stephen Senatiempo. Let's
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Speaker 1: get cracking. This Albanese Labor government is so full of
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Speaker 1: lies and broken promises that its members are twisting and
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Speaker 1: turning with all the grace of Raygun as they try
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Speaker 1: to breakdance around their previous positions and promised outcomes and
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Speaker 1: ugly backflips and dismounts. Have a listen to the Minister
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Speaker 1: for Climate Change and Energy, Chris Bowen, last night on
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Speaker 1: the ABC, telling us about how sceptical he's always been
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Speaker 1: about green hydrogen.
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Speaker 2: I never quite bought all the hype on green hydrogen
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Speaker 2: at the top, but nor do I buy it at
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Speaker 2: the bottom.
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Speaker 3: It's not dead.
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Speaker 1: It does have a future. He never bought all the hype?
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Speaker 1: Does Bowen expect us all to rewrite history the way
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Speaker 1: he does? Have a listen to this hype. We've pointed
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Speaker 1: out how unhinged this is many times and we've mocked
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Speaker 1: him previously on this program. We have.
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Speaker 4: an exciting future going forward in terms of green hydrogen.
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Speaker 4: Under an Albanese Labor government, these jobs will be secure
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Speaker 4: because we'll be leading the global green hydrogen revolution. And
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Speaker 4: what we know is that the green hydrogen sector has
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Speaker 4: an enormous potential in this country.
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Speaker 2: We have a $ 225 billion pipeline for green hydrogen in Australia.
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Speaker 2: That's across 100 projects. Only Labor has the plan to
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Speaker 2: ensure that Australia is part of and is leading that
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Speaker 2: hydrogen revolution.
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Speaker 1: Bowen and Albanese spruiking the green hydrogen revolution and telling
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Speaker 1: us Australia was going to lead the world. But now
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Speaker 1: they reckon they've always been wise to the risks. Bowen
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Speaker 1: has overseen the biggest hydrogen bomb since the Hindenburg. And
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Speaker 1: we've warned time and time again that this mob were
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Speaker 1: burning your money in failed green hydrogen projects. I mean,
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Speaker 1: look at the list of multi-billion dollar plans that have
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Speaker 1: fallen over. There was the Queensland project at Gladstone, a
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Speaker 1: $ 12 billion dud. The so-called Hunter Valley hydrogen hub, hundreds
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Speaker 1: of millions gone on what's more like a hydrogen dud.
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Speaker 1: Like the Hunter, they're trying to shift the Latrobe Valley
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Speaker 1: from coal to hydrogen. But those multi-billion dollar plans have
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Speaker 1: also fallen over. In South Australia, the government had $ 600
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Speaker 1: million plans for hydrogen at Wyala, but switched that to
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Speaker 1: propping up the steel plant instead. And there were other
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Speaker 1: projects further south. And across in Western Australia, a number
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Speaker 1: of green hydrogen projects have fallen over too. It's a
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Speaker 1: litany of wasted taxpayers' money and failed projects. But the
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Speaker 1: green zealots, the climate change evangelists, they see it very differently.
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Speaker 4: Under an Albanese Labor government, these jobs will be secure
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Speaker 4: because we'll be leading the global green hydrogen revolution.
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Speaker 1: It is such a worry. These people will learn nothing.
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Speaker 1: This is extraordinary. They would have created more energy burning
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Speaker 1: all those billions in $ 100 notes rather than pretending they
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Speaker 1: could lead a green hydrogen revolution. And Bowen now says
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Speaker 1: he was wise all along.
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Speaker 2: I never quite bought all the hype on green hydrogen
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Speaker 2: at the top, but nor do I buy it at
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Speaker 2: the bottom.
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Speaker 3: It's not dead.
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Speaker 1: It does have a future. If he didn't fall for
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Speaker 1: the hype, why did he spend all that money? Why
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Speaker 1: did he waste our money? Why did he prattle on
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Speaker 1: about a green hydrogen revolution like some school kid who's
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Speaker 1: just found the latest computer game? In Parliament today, he
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Speaker 1: was called out, but as ever, he smugly pretended that
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Speaker 1: he's been consistent.
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Speaker 2: Do you know how many hydrogen cars were sold in
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Speaker 2: Australia last year?
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Speaker 1: One vehicle, Mr Speaker, one vehicle.
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Speaker 2: So there was a lot of hype in previous years
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Speaker 2: about green hydrogen.
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Speaker 1: Funny how we were able to see the reality here
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Speaker 1: on this program. We could see what a waste all
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Speaker 1: this government spending and hype would be. That's the problem
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Speaker 1: with Labor. Albanese and Bowen on this climate and renewable stuff,
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Speaker 1: they don't care about science. about engineering or economics. They
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Speaker 1: don't care about communities and landscapes and costs. All they
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Speaker 1: care about is ideology. Green left ideology and green left
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Speaker 1: virtue signalling at our expense. They're going to cut our
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Speaker 1: electricity prices by $ 275 a year. They call renewable energy reliable.
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Speaker 1: They burn money on batteries. They burn money on green hydrogen.
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Speaker 1: They burn money and farming land on solar, wind and
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Speaker 1: transmission projects, and they're burying $ 20 billion or more in
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Speaker 1: the tunnels of the failing Snowy Hydro 2.0 scheme. And
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Speaker 1: Bowen is still Minister, and he'll waste more of your
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Speaker 1: money hosting climate talks in the Pacific next month, pretending
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Speaker 1: that he's saving the planet. And we still pay him.
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Speaker 1: You still pay him. And the Prime Minister keeps him
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Speaker 1: in Cabinet. Australia? We are in strife. Labor's been caught
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Speaker 1: out on double standards again, employing a Labor mate with
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Speaker 1: a hateful and misogynistic background. When it comes to Labor mates,
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Speaker 1: there are few as prominent and loyal as Rhys Muldoon.
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Speaker 1: He's a former ABC Play School host and actor and broadcaster.
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Speaker 1: Muldoon first became noticeable in politics when he was out
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Speaker 1: and about as a great mate and acolyte of Kevin Rudd's.
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Speaker 1: He even co-authored a children's book with Rudd when he
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Speaker 1: was Prime Minister. Muldoon was very active, very left-wing and
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Speaker 1: very aggressive on what was then Twitter and he even
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Speaker 1: joined some political panels back in the day on what
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Speaker 1: was then Sky News Australia. That's where I met him.
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Speaker 1: He later latched on to Anthony Albanese. In fact, the
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Speaker 1: last time I bumped into him was at the Labor
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Speaker 1: Party function in Albanese's electorate the night he was elected. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: unbeknownst to most of us, he must have run out
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Speaker 1: of acting work because he turned up as an employee
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Speaker 1: in a Labor senator's office. Not anymore. He was dismissed
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Speaker 1: this morning because of hateful and violent social media posts.
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Speaker 1: There were sexist and offensive posts about my colleague Peter Quedlin.
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Speaker 1: He called Dave Sharma, the former ambassador to Israel, a
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Speaker 1: fake Jew. And he branded Jacinta Nambajibba-Price a traitor to
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Speaker 1: the Indigenous cause, and so on and so forth. He
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Speaker 1: even used the N-word in one post. He's gone now,
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Speaker 1: and the Prime Minister claims Labor was caught off guard.
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Speaker 4: I wasn't aware of those comments until they were raised
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Speaker 4: in the media and neither was Senator Dowling. The comments
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Speaker 4: are completely unacceptable and Senator Dowling has taken immediate action
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Speaker 4: and that's appropriate.
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Speaker 1: This is pathetic. Anyone who's known Muldoon over the past
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Speaker 1: decade or so knows how wild he's been on social media,
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Speaker 1: that know how loose he is and they wouldn't have
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Speaker 1: employed him, surely, without checking his feed. But then... I
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Speaker 1: suppose he's a Labor mate. And if the left didn't
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Speaker 1: bring hateful abuse to the argument, they wouldn't bring much
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Speaker 1: at all. If this was a coalition staffer, there would
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Speaker 1: be scandal. But watch the Canberra Press Gallery move on.
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Speaker 1: For my sins, I watched the national broadcaster last night.
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Speaker 1: They were running a national forum program, a kind of
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Speaker 1: revised Q & A on immigration. It's the topic of
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Speaker 1: the moment. So I thought it was worth checking in on.
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Speaker 1: At first glance, this looked more promising than most ABC
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Speaker 1: programs because the political panel had more conservatives than lefties. Seriously.
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Speaker 1: They had One Nation's Barnaby Joyce, Liberal Andrew Hastie and
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Speaker 1: Labor's Anne Alley. No doubt they hoped for fireworks between
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Speaker 1: Joyce and Hastie, but it didn't happen. So there was
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Speaker 1: another panel of so-called experts, and it included former Nationals
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Speaker 1: leader John Anderson. but he was flanked by green-left agitator
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Speaker 1: and former immigration bureaucrat Abel Rizzi, leftist journalist and immigration
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Speaker 1: advocate George Megalogenis, and human rights lawyer Nyadon Nguyen, who
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Speaker 1: talked about the immigration debate being divisive.
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Speaker 5: And it's not divisive because of the migrant. It's divisive
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Speaker 5: because politicians use it as a placeholder to refer to
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Speaker 5: a certain group of people as not capable of.
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Speaker 6: Belonging in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's get to those politicians. Yeah, the ABC crowd
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Speaker 1: loved that. But remember, Nyadon, because the ABC used her
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Speaker 1: as an expert commentator while keeping a secret... to be
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Speaker 1: revealed at the end of the show. Yet again, this
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Speaker 1: program consisted of the same old ABC pushing its leftist
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Speaker 1: ideological barrow, paying lip service to diversity and avoiding the
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Speaker 1: tough issues. I mean, we heard gripes from a foreign student.
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Speaker 1: a plea from a single mother migrant who wants to
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Speaker 1: bring out her parents. There was a migrant who wants
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Speaker 1: more help for migrant integration. And, of course, an Indigenous representative.
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Speaker 1: It was a trade unionist and leftist activist, Thomas Mayo.
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Speaker 1: The ABC included a farmer's representative arguing that migrants are
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Speaker 1: needed for agricultural work. And, to be fair, they did
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Speaker 1: have one man who supports cutting immigration so that it
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Speaker 1: might be easier to buy a house. Yet there was
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Speaker 1: no reference that I saw to Canada, a comparable country
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Speaker 1: to ours when it comes to the economy and immigration,
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Speaker 1: and how, as we've discussed on this program, even Canada's
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Speaker 1: centre-left government has drastically cut immigration and that's seen housing
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Speaker 1: costs level out and rents come down. The ABC failed
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Speaker 1: to mention that and they also avoided the challenges of
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Speaker 1: Islamist extremism, anti-Semitism, terrorism and national cohesion. Instead, we heard
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Speaker 1: from a Muslim academic who happens to be married to
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Speaker 1: ABC presenter Waleed Ali.
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Speaker 7: Any time we're talking about dehumanising people and dividing people,
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Speaker 7: that is bad for social cohesion. I know the Australian
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Speaker 7: National Imam Council this year issued a statement saying the
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Speaker 7: Australian Muslim community is built on a deep desire for harmony,
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Speaker 7: a commitment to our shared Australian values and respect for difference.
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Speaker 3: So, I mean, let's be honest, we.
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Speaker 7: Know who people are talking about when we're having these
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Speaker 7: conversations and that is not the Muslim community that I
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Speaker 7: know and the 800,000-plus Muslims in this country. We don't
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Speaker 7: recognise that either.
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Speaker 1: What's her point there? Is she saying that Muslims are
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Speaker 1: victims in this country? The only reference to the horrors
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Speaker 1: of Bondi came from Hastie, who was challenged about his
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Speaker 1: comment that Australians sometimes don't recognise their own country.
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Speaker 8: 15 people were gunned down in cold blood by people
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Speaker 8: and they didn't recognise their country. And now I made
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Speaker 8: those comments a couple of months before Bondi happened, but
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Speaker 8: I think Bondi was an important data point for those people.
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Speaker 8: And I think to cut to the chase, whether it's
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Speaker 8: multiculturalism or monoculturalism, a nation will only cohere if we
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Speaker 8: as a people, regardless of your background, the colour of
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Speaker 8: your skin or whatever, have a set of common loves. Now,
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Speaker 8: we all love our families. We need to love our communities,
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Speaker 8: but we need to love our country. If we don't
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Speaker 8: love our country, then we don't have a shared common vision.
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Speaker 1: Needless to say, there was no applause from that, from
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Speaker 1: the ABC audience. But remember I told you that host
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Speaker 1: David Spears was keeping a secret about one of the
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Speaker 1: expert panellists? He shared it at the end.
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Speaker 9: You're actually planning to leave Australia and renounce your Australian citizenship.
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Speaker 1: Some punchline, wasn't it? One of the panel had already
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Speaker 1: turned on Australia. How representative is that of Australian migrants?
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Speaker 1: Not very, I'd suggest. Most people who come here can't
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Speaker 1: believe their luck.
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Speaker 5: Now, it's easy for people to think that I have
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Speaker 5: made a decision out of anger.
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Speaker 6: Actually, a lot of it is out of grief.
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Speaker 5: There are numerous times where I have known that politics
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Speaker 5: in this country can get to the point where my
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Speaker 5: children and I might have to leave.
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Speaker 1: We wish her well, of course, but most of us
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Speaker 1: want to improve Australia, not shoot through. That's the migration
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Speaker 1: debate there, ABC style apparently. The management of immigration is
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Speaker 1: not the problem, but we are. Once again, the ABC
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Speaker 1: is actually the anti-Australian broadcasting corporation. Let's go now to
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Speaker 1: Canberra and catch up with Shadow Treasurer Tim Wilson. Tim,
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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. I want to go straight away
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Speaker 1: to this green hydrogen revolution that somehow now Chris Bowen
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Speaker 1: suggests he's always been sceptical about. How come that scepticism
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Speaker 1: was never evident in budgetary decisions? Because they've blown billions
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Speaker 1: on this stuff, haven't they, with billions more in the pipeline?
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Speaker 10: Yes, the question was posed today, if you're sceptical at
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Speaker 10: spending $ 9 billion on green hydrogen, we'd be terrified how
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Speaker 10: much money they'd blow if they actually believed in it. Look,
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Speaker 10: this is just the climate change minister seeking to distract.
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Speaker 10: The government has rammed through and consistently pushed.
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Speaker 1: The idea that.
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Speaker 10: But baseload fuels like gas have no role in the
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Speaker 10: Australian economy. I remember when there was a fight between
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Speaker 10: our current leader, Angus Taylor, and Chris Bowen over whether
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Speaker 10: curry curry should be run on gas or hydrogen. And
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Speaker 10: Chris Bowen said we'll never have these gas turbines run
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Speaker 10: on anything other than hydrogen. We're now in a situation
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Speaker 10: where we've got, you know, one of the biggest steelmakers
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Speaker 10: in Australia no longer able to produce gas. 75% of
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Speaker 10: the steel is produced for Australian construction.
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Speaker 1: This is a disaster.
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Speaker 10: And the climate change minister has his hands all over
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Speaker 10: it and they're coloured green hydrogen.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is it. It's coloured their decisions because they
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Speaker 1: were saying curry curry would run on hydrogen. They're talking
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Speaker 1: about it. This is a big promise, pumping billions into it. And,
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Speaker 1: of course, while they're doing that, They're not actually firming
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Speaker 1: up our electricity grid and our energy needs in the
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Speaker 1: ways that are necessary. A classic example being Wyala, right?
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Speaker 1: We're now looking at 600 people losing their jobs. That
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Speaker 1: still works, needs an electric arc furnace. Who's going to
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Speaker 1: pay for that? And where's it going to get its
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Speaker 1: power from? Surely South Australia's renewable-driven grid can't power an
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Speaker 1: electric arc furnace. Exactly.
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Speaker 10: In fact, the point was made today that the building
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Speaker 10: I'm in, and of course you can see the image
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Speaker 10: of in the back, was built by steel that came
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Speaker 10: from Wyala.
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Speaker 1: Now we would have to import it.
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Speaker 10: This is the problem with the Albanese government's approach to energy.
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Speaker 10: They're letting ideology dictate their decisions. They're not actually making
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Speaker 10: long-term decisions in the national interest. The problem isn't just, though,
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Speaker 10: one of dollars, though, for the 500-odd workers who have
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Speaker 10: lost their jobs. It's a very serious issue. and are
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Speaker 10: very much a story about dollars. There's a much bigger
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Speaker 10: story about time because we need to be able to
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Speaker 10: get investment in to drive down the cost of energy
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Speaker 10: for Australians and particularly Australian industry.
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Speaker 1: And every day this government.
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Speaker 10: Misdirects their effort, misdirects their time towards pursuing green dreams.
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Speaker 10: We're losing time to invest and build the future of
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Speaker 10: the Australian economy and we will pay a very heavy price.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a hell of a worry. Let's go to
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Speaker 1: the broader... issue of productivity in this country which has
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Speaker 1: been going backwards. Here's Bran Black from the Council, Business
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Speaker 1: Council of Australia.
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Speaker 9: We've consistently called for a target of a 25% cut
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Speaker 9: in the value of regulation on our economy, comprehensive tax
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Speaker 9: reform that tackles our uncompetitive tax rates in terms of
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Speaker 9: company tax but also income taxes and consumption taxes and
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Speaker 9: of course our uncompetitive industrial relations system which is now
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Speaker 9: fundamentally out of balance.
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Speaker 1: It's a big reform agenda, none of it's being tackled
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Speaker 1: by Labor. How much of that could we expect the
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Speaker 1: Coalition to take to an election?
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Speaker 10: We're stepping through that policy development now, but make no mistake,
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Speaker 10: I'm a reformer at heart.
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Speaker 1: I want to see change.
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Speaker 10: I think that what the government has done on tax
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Speaker 10: is actively disincentivise young Australians to go off and set
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Speaker 10: up their own innovative businesses that are more likely to
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Speaker 10: be productive, more likely to innovate and more likely to
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Speaker 10: employ Australians. That's why we've given a commitment to repeal
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Speaker 10: Labor's taxes, but I want to see if we can
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Speaker 10: go further and actively incentivise people to set up small businesses.
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Speaker 10: On industrial relations, I think it's very clear to me
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Speaker 10: that what the government has done has made it a
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Speaker 10: lot harder to employ Australians. And what we actually need
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Speaker 10: is a much clearer simplification of the system.
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Speaker 1: And to introduce harmony.
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Speaker 10: But we also need to make sure that it's attractive
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Speaker 10: for investment, and investment comes from removing barriers for regulation
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Speaker 10: in particular. I've spoken publicly about looking at, for instance,
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Speaker 10: what they do in Singapore, where within regulators that are
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Speaker 10: currently focused solely on minimising risk, that we have to
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Speaker 10: focus on how they're going to promote industry development so
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Speaker 10: they get the balance right, because at the moment we're
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Speaker 10: being sucked down a regulation vortex.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the red tape is killing businesses and killing investment.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, Tim. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Tim Wilson there, the Shadow Treasurer, joining us from Canberra.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to Western Victoria now and catch
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Speaker 1: up with Tim Blair from The Daily Telegraph. Tim, loved
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Speaker 1: what you've written about the NFL on the MCG last
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Speaker 1: week because some of the pre-match entertainment and the like
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Speaker 1: was really exporting not Australia as a tourist destination but
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Speaker 1: Australian wokeness.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely.
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Speaker 11: We've... It's one of the few things we export these days,
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Speaker 11: isn't it?
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Speaker 1: And it's getting.
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Speaker 11: I think it's of value to Australia that our welcome
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Speaker 11: to country and acknowledgement of country ceremonies are being seen
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Speaker 11: from outside. And people... One of the earliest responses people
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Speaker 11: have to our ceremonies is, well, if you feel so
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Speaker 11: guilty about occupying stolen land or occupied land, why.
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Speaker 2: Don't you leave?
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Speaker 1: Instead of having these.
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Speaker 11: these rituals at every sporting event and so many other
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Speaker 11: civic events besides. If you're that upset, just go somewhere.
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Speaker 11: else instead of doing all this posturing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, lashing yourself. I don't mind a welcome to country
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Speaker 1: if it's happy and joyous and welcoming, but we do
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Speaker 1: overdo it. And let's have a look. Here's some of
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Speaker 1: the welcome to country from the MCG.
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Speaker 12: We, the Wurundjeri, Woiwurrung, first peoples of this land... Respectfully
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Speaker 12: acknowledge our ancestors, our elders and communities. We sincerely hope
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Speaker 12: you have a wonderful time here at the MCG.
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Speaker 13: Welcome.
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Speaker 1: Here we go. So that's what was broadcast live across America.
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Speaker 1: And US sports host Clay Travis said, Australia has lost
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Speaker 1: its mind with all the woke land acknowledgement and certainty. Yesterday,
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Speaker 1: the NFL audience saw what happens when a country lets
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Speaker 1: woke insanity take over the country. During COVID, as Buck
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Speaker 1: Sexton says, Australia was East Berlin with koalas, which is
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Speaker 1: a bloody good line and I agree with it. But
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Speaker 1: this is not the image we want to promote of Australia.
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Speaker 1: our country overseas.
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Speaker 11: No, you tune into something like that and you're like,
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Speaker 11: what's going on? Is it an Australian football game? Is
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Speaker 11: it a cricket game? What's going on? NFL, you say?
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Speaker 11: It jars, it looks different and wrong. It looks like
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Speaker 11: just national self-abasement.
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Speaker 10: I've got to say.
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Speaker 1: I've got to say, I found it pretty embarrassing. The
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Speaker 1: welcome to country is one thing. As I say, I'm
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Speaker 1: much more accepting of them than you, but sometimes they're overdone,
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Speaker 1: and I think it was here. But have a look here.
21:23
Speaker 1: We've got a bit of Aboriginal dancing on the back
21:25
Speaker 1: of that, and this was all going on before the
21:29
Speaker 1: game kicked off. And even worse than this, which doesn't
21:33
Speaker 1: look like the greatest entertainment, have a look at this.
21:36
Speaker 1: It looks like en masse ray guns.
21:39
Speaker 11: I was going to say, suddenly everyone's realising.
21:42
Speaker 1: Hang on a second. I'm about to show this. The
21:45
Speaker 1: on-mouse Ray Gun, please. So, Ray Gun, no-one's embarrassed about
22:04
Speaker 1: her anymore. We have a group emulating her.
22:07
Speaker 11: Yeah, everyone around the world was like, oh, my God,
22:09
Speaker 11: how could Australia send their worst dancer to the Olympics?
22:14
Speaker 11: Now they realise, no, no, she's pretty good by comparison
22:16
Speaker 11: to the rest of us, that's for sure. My word.
22:19
Speaker 11: I hadn't actually seen that until you just showed it.
22:21
Speaker 11: I was just wondering if you were playing it at
22:23
Speaker 11: the correct speed.
22:25
Speaker 1: It'll be even worse if you sped it up. No,
22:27
Speaker 1: I actually watched the whole thing. My kids are into
22:30
Speaker 1: the NFL, sat around watching that a lot. This is cringeworthy,
22:33
Speaker 1: the entertainment. You know, they should have got Kylie Minogue
22:36
Speaker 1: in for the NFL as well as for the AFL
22:38
Speaker 1: grand final.
22:39
Speaker 11: Yeah, but then you would have had Albanese saying something
22:41
Speaker 11: and we can't have that.
22:42
Speaker 1: Couldn't have that. I want to go to a Republican
22:46
Speaker 1: politician in the US now who's tackled all the land
22:49
Speaker 1: acknowledgement stuff at the convention. Have a look here. I'd
22:54
Speaker 1: like to acknowledge.
22:56
Speaker 14: that we stand here today in the great state of
23:00
Speaker 14: Texas and the United States of America. My friends, we
23:03
Speaker 14: live in the finest country in the history of the world.
23:07
Speaker 14: And we're no longer going to apologise for that.
23:15
Speaker 1: A Texas Republican wouldn't surprise you, Tim. Oh, absolutely.
23:19
Speaker 11: But there's no reason why Australian acknowledgements of country can't
23:23
Speaker 11: be more embracing and can't be more widely cast to
23:26
Speaker 11: involve all Australians and not to throw shame and guilt
23:29
Speaker 11: and to try and, you know, rebuild or relive the
23:32
Speaker 11: history wars. Why not make welcomes to country, you know,
23:35
Speaker 11: generally welcoming and embracing of all Australians? That might actually work.
23:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're spot on there. Make them more
23:41
Speaker 1: inclusive and cut out all the hand-wringing. Thanks for joining us, Tim.
23:45
Speaker 1: We'll catch up again later in the week. Tim Blair,
23:47
Speaker 1: you can read his stuff in The Daily Telegraph. We'd
23:49
Speaker 1: better get to a break. On the other side, I'm
23:52
Speaker 1: going to catch up with Kristen Tate. We'll talk about
23:55
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. saying that AI is the race America needs
23:59
Speaker 1: to win. Let's go to the US, where the AI
24:06
Speaker 1: debate is growing. As we showed you yesterday, Donald Trump
24:09
Speaker 1: is rejecting calls to slow down the development of ever
24:13
Speaker 1: more powerful AI engines.
24:15
Speaker 7: We're leading China in AI.
24:17
Speaker 15: We're the most sophisticated country in the world.
24:20
Speaker 16: And, frankly, I want to keep it that way, because
24:22
Speaker 16: whoever wins AI wins.
24:24
Speaker 3: And we can put guardrails, we can.
24:26
Speaker 17: Do this and that, but I think you have a
24:27
Speaker 17: lot of negative voices that are bringing.
24:29
Speaker 16: It up that shouldn't be bringing it up, and they're
24:33
Speaker 16: bringing up things that won't happen.
24:36
Speaker 1: I put to our US analyst, Kristen Tate, that Trump
24:38
Speaker 1: is right. The ILO race is a bit like the
24:41
Speaker 1: arms race of days gone by him.
24:44
Speaker 13: I don't know, Chris. I'm skeptical of AI, as are
24:47
Speaker 13: so many other Americans. And look, obviously, President Trump is correct.
24:51
Speaker 13: We don't want China dominating us in AI. But I
24:55
Speaker 13: think Americans are right to be skeptical of this.
24:57
Speaker 3: Look, I'm worried about jobs.
24:58
Speaker 13: I'm worried about what this technology is actually doing to
25:01
Speaker 13: children and education. Imagine an entire generation of Americans or
25:06
Speaker 13: an entire generation around the world that never has to
25:09
Speaker 13: be bored, never has to memorize anything, never has to
25:11
Speaker 13: sit with a difficult book, never has to spend three
25:14
Speaker 13: hours working to write something only to realize it's horrible.
25:18
Speaker 13: I mean, these aren't just, you know, stupid things about childhood.
25:22
Speaker 13: These are really important things about childhood that shape interesting,
25:25
Speaker 13: intelligent humans. We're losing all that.
25:27
Speaker 9: Sure.
25:28
Speaker 1: I share your concerns. AI scares the Jesus out of me.
25:32
Speaker 1: But I tell you what, I'm with Donald Trump, though.
25:35
Speaker 1: I want America and the free world to be at
25:37
Speaker 1: the leading edge of it rather than China because they
25:41
Speaker 1: could dominate the globe with it. So it is a
25:43
Speaker 1: hell of a conundrum. Let's see what the Vice President, J.D. Vance,
25:46
Speaker 1: has got to say about it.
25:48
Speaker 18: I feel a little bit weird about the fact that
25:51
Speaker 18: you have so many frontier AI tech companies kind of
25:55
Speaker 18: coming to the government and begging the government to regulate them.
25:58
Speaker 18: It feels a little bit to me like a bit
26:00
Speaker 18: of a Trojan horse. So I think we just have
26:01
Speaker 18: to be careful about this. The other thing the president
26:05
Speaker 18: said pretty consistently is we know that the Chinese are
26:08
Speaker 18: engaged in this long-term AI race against the United States.
26:11
Speaker 18: We want to make sure the United States, we do
26:12
Speaker 18: things smartly, but we stay ahead of the curve.
26:15
Speaker 1: There you go, Kristen. He raises a really good point there,
26:19
Speaker 1: I think, that this is an industry asking to be regulated.
26:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously, J.D.
26:26
Speaker 13: Vance is correct to be suspicious when these AI companies
26:30
Speaker 13: suddenly come begging to Washington to regulate their own industry.
26:34
Speaker 13: But big corporations have a long history of supporting regulations
26:37
Speaker 13: that they can afford, knowing smaller competitors can't afford it.
26:43
Speaker 19: But.
26:43
Speaker 3: Americans are right to be skeptical of AI at large.
26:46
Speaker 13: And one of the biggest emerging kind of issues as
26:49
Speaker 13: we go into the midterms, Chris, is these AI data
26:52
Speaker 13: centers that are popping up all around the United States.
26:55
Speaker 13: These are huge, windowless, energy-sucking data centers. They're ugly, and
27:00
Speaker 13: they're using a ton of water while Americans are in
27:04
Speaker 13: their houses, their little houses, being told that they can't
27:07
Speaker 13: turn on their lights and their energy bills are through
27:10
Speaker 13: the roof, while America's huge... AI corporations are just planning
27:14
Speaker 13: to use unlimited, basically, amounts of energy on these data centers.
27:19
Speaker 13: So this will be a really interesting topic as we
27:21
Speaker 13: go into the coming elections. And it's fascinating because it
27:25
Speaker 13: kind of cuts across party lines as well.
27:28
Speaker 1: It sure does. It's a bit of a not-in-my-backyard scenario
27:31
Speaker 1: playing out here and the fear of the new and
27:34
Speaker 1: the fear of something that we can't control. We can't
27:36
Speaker 1: really understand AI, let alone control it as ordinary citizens.
27:41
Speaker 1: I want to go to the immigration debate and the
27:43
Speaker 1: way the Democrats are now using some lawfare to challenge
27:48
Speaker 1: what Donald Trump and the federal government are doing. Let's
27:51
Speaker 1: have a listen to the mayor of New York.
27:53
Speaker 17: The federal government finalised a set of drastic and unlawful changes...
27:57
Speaker 17: to our country's public charge rule, a rule that makes
28:00
Speaker 17: it possible for someone to be denied immigration status based
28:04
Speaker 17: on the likelihood of their need for public benefits. New
28:07
Speaker 17: York City is leading a coalition of cities and counties
28:10
Speaker 17: to sue the federal government for the gross illegality of
28:13
Speaker 17: their new public charge rule and the irreparable damage that
28:16
Speaker 17: it will cause.
28:18
Speaker 1: Kristen, will this create problems for Donald Trump or will
28:21
Speaker 1: he relish the fight?
28:24
Speaker 3: No, this is not going to create problems for President Trump.
28:26
Speaker 13: I think the vast majority of Americans agree with the
28:29
Speaker 13: administration on this. Look, if you come to America, should
28:32
Speaker 13: American taxpayers be obligated to support you?
28:35
Speaker 3: This administration says no.
28:37
Speaker 13: And right now in this country, Chris, Americans are working
28:40
Speaker 13: two jobs in many cases and struggling to pay for
28:44
Speaker 13: basic household items like groceries. And then don't even, you know,
28:47
Speaker 13: we haven't even mentioned health care and housing. These things
28:50
Speaker 13: are all through the roof. Why should that same worker
28:53
Speaker 13: be forced or expected to subsidize someone else's decision to
28:57
Speaker 13: come to the United States?
28:58
Speaker 3: It's absolutely ridiculous.
29:00
Speaker 13: Yes, we are a nation of immigrants, but we want
29:02
Speaker 13: people who are self-sufficient here and are going to be
29:04
Speaker 13: a net positive to the country and to our economy.
29:09
Speaker 1: OK, let's go to one of my favourite US politicians
29:13
Speaker 1: or former politicians. That is, of course, Kamala Harris. I know,
29:16
Speaker 1: a favourite of yours. And Gavin Newsom has said that
29:19
Speaker 1: if she runs to be president in 2028, he won't
29:23
Speaker 1: run against her. I can't believe this. Have a look.
29:26
Speaker 1: Ro Khanna.
29:27
Speaker 8: Yeah.
29:27
Speaker 1: Kamala.
29:28
Speaker 15: Yeah.
29:29
Speaker 1: I don't know if she runs, but we'll see. I
29:30
Speaker 1: know she's called around.
29:31
Speaker 9: Yeah.
29:32
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't run if she ran. If she runs,
29:36
Speaker 1: you will not? Of course not.
29:37
Speaker 11: Why would I?
29:39
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. that to her. I wouldn't do
29:40
Speaker 1: it to me. Why would I? I wouldn't do that
29:42
Speaker 1: to you. I wouldn't waste everyone's time. Quite amazing. What's
29:46
Speaker 1: the reaction to this been, Kristen?
29:49
Speaker 3: I mean, people are acting shocked at this.
29:51
Speaker 13: I don't take this extraordinary display of chivalry at face value, though.
29:56
Speaker 13: What Gavin Newsom is doing is he's making a smart
29:58
Speaker 13: bet here that Kamala Harris won't run because then he
30:01
Speaker 13: gets to spend the next.
30:02
Speaker 3: Year saying, I would never do that to my friend Kamala.
30:05
Speaker 13: But if she so she steps aside, you know, suddenly
30:07
Speaker 13: he's the loyal friend rather than the wealthy white guy.
30:10
Speaker 13: He tried to shove the, you know, the black female
30:13
Speaker 13: vice president aside. What fascinates me as well is that
30:17
Speaker 13: Newsom isn't saying Kamala would beat me. He's saying, I
30:20
Speaker 13: I'm not allowed to get into this fight with her.
30:24
Speaker 13: And this is all about G.I. and the optics of
30:27
Speaker 13: this kind of privileged white man appearing to challenge a Powerful.
30:32
Speaker 13: She is powerful in the Democrat Party, a powerful black
30:35
Speaker 13: female politician.
30:36
Speaker 1: Maybe this is his public hint for her to make
30:39
Speaker 1: up her mind and declare she's not running sooner.
30:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be.
30:45
Speaker 13: I still think he's betting that she's just not going
30:47
Speaker 13: to run. There's been a lot of chatter about whether
30:49
Speaker 13: she will. I've even heard from friends of mine in D.C.
30:51
Speaker 13: who say, you know, she's really considering it.
30:54
Speaker 3: But when it comes down to it, maybe.
30:57
Speaker 13: She just won't do it because the polls are pretty
31:00
Speaker 13: bad showing what her odds would be like.
31:02
Speaker 1: All right. We will see, Kristen. Thanks for joining us again.
31:06
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Chris.
31:09
Speaker 1: Of course, the thing is, as soon as Kamala says
31:11
Speaker 1: she's not running, no-one's going to pay any attention to
31:13
Speaker 1: her anymore. Stick around, because up next, it's been a
31:16
Speaker 1: sorry day for Pauline Hanson apologising to the Prime Minister
31:20
Speaker 1: and Indigenous Australians, but I'll show you how our political
31:23
Speaker 1: class still ignores our greatest national shame. Senator Jacinta Nampajimpa Price, next.
31:34
Speaker 1: I want to talk about our greatest national shame, a
31:36
Speaker 1: shame that's ignored all too often. But let's start with
31:41
Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson, who's created outrage all over the place in
31:44
Speaker 1: recent days, but has started to walk back her comments.
31:47
Speaker 1: There was the attacks on Andrew Hastie, dubbing him a
31:50
Speaker 1: traitor in a One Nation cartoon, but last week Hanson
31:54
Speaker 1: told me she respects Hastie's service.
31:58
Speaker 3: Course I do. Of course I do. I don't think
32:01
Speaker 3: he's a traitor and I've never called.
32:03
Speaker 6: Him a traitor.
32:05
Speaker 1: Then today she apologised over those comments criticising the Prime
32:09
Speaker 1: Minister's mother for living in social housing all her life.
32:14
Speaker 20: I was referring to house permission at that time, so
32:17
Speaker 20: if he's taken offence to it, well.
32:19
Speaker 6: I'm sorry for that.
32:21
Speaker 1: And that just leaves these remarks revived from a podcast
32:25
Speaker 1: a year ago.
32:27
Speaker 21: They're the most primitive race on earth and we're supposed
32:30
Speaker 21: to be holding up and saying what they've achieved. They've
32:33
Speaker 21: achieved nothing.
32:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was plenty of outrage over those comments and
32:39
Speaker 1: today another apology.
32:42
Speaker 20: If I've offended people by using that, yes, I will
32:44
Speaker 20: apologise for that.
32:46
Speaker 1: So that's that, hey? The media frenzy is over, Hanson
32:50
Speaker 1: is suitably admonished and we all move on. But hang on.
32:55
Speaker 1: aren't there bigger issues at play here? Isn't this a
32:59
Speaker 1: classic example of where media and politics focuses on the
33:03
Speaker 1: noise but forgets what really matters? Well, yes, it is.
33:08
Speaker 1: Because on the weekend, the Australian newspaper shared a shocking
33:11
Speaker 1: report about a situation that should never occur in this country.
33:17
Speaker 1: In Port Hedland in Western Australia, just minutes from where
33:20
Speaker 1: mining export facilities add billions of dollars a year to
33:24
Speaker 1: our national wealth, up to 15 Indigenous children are routinely
33:28
Speaker 1: left without adult supervision in appalling conditions.
33:34
Speaker 19: In this house behind me, we've discovered up to 15
33:37
Speaker 19: children aged between 5 and 16 who've been living here
33:41
Speaker 19: unsupervised for days at a time. Residents have complained to
33:46
Speaker 19: police and to housing and the council, but so far nothing.
33:51
Speaker 15: The parents leave them alone and bugger off, get drunk
33:55
Speaker 15: and what else, and leave these kids. You know, it
33:59
Speaker 15: is like, it's inhumane what they're doing. And I have
34:03
Speaker 15: to say it's inhumane from DCP and other government institutions
34:09
Speaker 15: not to look after that, to look away.
34:13
Speaker 1: Just intolerable stuff. Yesterday, the Federal Minister for Indigenous Australians,
34:19
Speaker 1: Malindari McCarthy, called a media conference. And what do you
34:24
Speaker 1: think her issue of great concern was? Have a look.
34:29
Speaker 20: I certainly feel for First Nations people in regards to
34:32
Speaker 20: the comments made by Senator Hanson.
34:35
Speaker 6: It's totally outrageous, completely racist, but.
34:40
Speaker 20: Also divides our country in a way that we do
34:42
Speaker 20: not want to see happen right here in Australia.
34:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the Hanson outrage that troubled her. A
34:51
Speaker 1: journalist for the Australian newspaper was at the media conference...
34:55
Speaker 1: and was a little more concerned about the welfare of
34:58
Speaker 1: Indigenous kids. After all, as the newspaper had reported in
35:02
Speaker 1: great detail, these kids in Port Hedland were living in
35:07
Speaker 1: these unforgivable conditions without welfare intervention, even though three children
35:14
Speaker 1: in that same area of South Hedland were killed four
35:19
Speaker 1: years ago.
35:20
Speaker 19: Three small children are dead, murdered by their mother in
35:24
Speaker 19: a vicious rampage. But the West Australian Department of Child
35:28
Speaker 19: Protection had known for years that the Hawke children were
35:32
Speaker 19: at serious risk of harm.
35:35
Speaker 11: I told my granddaughter whenever she felt unsafe to run
35:39
Speaker 11: from the house, to run to the phone.
35:41
Speaker 3: Box and call grandma.
35:43
Speaker 6: They felt very scared.
35:45
Speaker 13: All the time crying because Mummy was getting followed by Daddy.
35:50
Speaker 19: Their grandmother, Dorothy Papertalk, had repeatedly begged the DCP to
35:55
Speaker 19: remove the children into the safety of her care.
35:59
Speaker 1: Incredible reporting there from Ros Thomas from The Australian. Such
36:03
Speaker 1: a horrible, pointless tragedy that this can happen. Well, when
36:08
Speaker 1: this happens like this, it makes our whole country seem primitive.
36:13
Speaker 1: So back to yesterday's media conference, after the minister vented
36:17
Speaker 1: over Pauline Hanson and the word primitive, that journalist, another
36:21
Speaker 1: journalist from The Australian, Elizabeth Pike, well, she asked a
36:24
Speaker 1: much more important question.
36:27
Speaker 3: It's on a separate issue.
36:28
Speaker 22: Will you go to Port Headland and see for yourself
36:31
Speaker 22: the failures of the WA Child Protection Department following reports
36:34
Speaker 22: they have not investigated, reports of violence against children and
36:37
Speaker 22: rape from families and caseworkers?
36:39
Speaker 20: I certainly read those stories on the weekend in The
36:42
Speaker 20: Australian and deeply disturbing and incredibly disturbing. difficult reading but
36:49
Speaker 20: I am reaching out to the West Australian Government as
36:51
Speaker 20: well to see what is going on in West Australia
36:54
Speaker 20: and I'm happy to keep you across that.
36:56
Speaker 22: Have you already reached out to the Department?
36:58
Speaker 6: I'll be doing that.
36:59
Speaker 22: When will you plan to do that?
37:00
Speaker 20: Well let me get through this first and I'll be
37:02
Speaker 20: in touch with you.
37:04
Speaker 1: So it's on the Minister's to-do list. I don't want
37:08
Speaker 1: to be too harsh on Senator McCarthy although she is
37:11
Speaker 1: the Minister but this is a broader point. It's about
37:14
Speaker 1: the political class and the media and the authorities. There's
37:17
Speaker 1: a focus on Indigenous welfare as a political firefight and
37:21
Speaker 1: all sorts of offence-taking and claims of racism, but all
37:25
Speaker 1: the while the real problems go unaddressed. All the while
37:30
Speaker 1: children are at risk. It remains our nation's greatest shame.
37:40
Speaker 1: Let's go back down to Canberra now and catch up
37:41
Speaker 1: with Shadow Small Business Minister Jacinta Nampajimpa-Price. Thanks for joining us, Jacinta.
37:46
Speaker 1: Outside your portfolio area, although you've held it in the past,
37:50
Speaker 1: Indigenous Australians, but for the Minister to be so focused
37:53
Speaker 1: on attacking Pauline Hanson rather than what's going on, what's
37:57
Speaker 1: been revealed about what's been happening up in the Kimberley,
37:59
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that?
38:03
Speaker 23: I'm gobsmacked, to be quite honest, at such an important
38:07
Speaker 23: issue and An issue that I have talked about for
38:11
Speaker 23: many years now is the protection of our most vulnerable children.
38:16
Speaker 23: You know, I begged the Senate not that long ago,
38:20
Speaker 23: following the alleged abduction, murder and sexual assault of my
38:27
Speaker 23: five-year-old niece. But evidently it fell on deaf ears, the
38:34
Speaker 23: ask to take these issues. seriously when it comes to
38:37
Speaker 23: Indigenous children in this country. You know, but, you know,
38:41
Speaker 23: I'm really pleased that the Northern Territory government actually responded
38:47
Speaker 23: to this swiftly and introduced amendments to child protection in
38:51
Speaker 23: the Northern Territory to ensure that, you know, the human
38:56
Speaker 23: rights of these children are upheld over and above everything else,
38:59
Speaker 23: including the fact that these bureaucracies, as well as those
39:06
Speaker 23: in leadership, like to prioritise a child's culture over their
39:10
Speaker 23: actual safety.
39:12
Speaker 6: And And I've said it for years and the.
39:15
Speaker 23: Child protection system is utterly, it's morally bankrupt for starters
39:22
Speaker 23: and it's broken. And in Western Australia in particular, if
39:26
Speaker 23: you look at the principles around child protection for children, again,
39:31
Speaker 23: it's ideologically driven. Cultural consultation must take place with Aboriginal
39:36
Speaker 23: organisations to ensure that it's demonstrated that these kids are
39:41
Speaker 23: connected to the culture. Fifteen kids in a home by themselves,
39:46
Speaker 23: is that supposed to be connected to culture?
39:49
Speaker 6: The fact that they've got the kinship.
39:51
Speaker 23: Principle, but that if there isn't any Aboriginal person or
39:55
Speaker 23: kin available, then they're to be close to home.
39:58
Speaker 6: So, what, Port Hedland's the.
40:00
Speaker 23: Perfect place for these kids to live under these circumstances?
40:04
Speaker 6: I don't think so. And, you know, also, they.
40:09
Speaker 23: Must act in ways that are towards self-determination, and to
40:13
Speaker 23: reduce out-of-home care. So, were those kids self-determining in that house?
40:18
Speaker 3: Is that what they were doing?
40:19
Speaker 1: It's just extraordinary.
40:20
Speaker 2: And I wish.
40:22
Speaker 1: As you say, you've had tragic experience of this in
40:25
Speaker 1: Alice Springs. There's similar issues here playing out in Port Adelaide.
40:28
Speaker 1: You talk about this emphasis from the authorities on cultural sensitivities.
40:32
Speaker 1: There's also... A big fear isn't there post-stolen generations. You
40:36
Speaker 1: can't take these children into care because then you're accused
40:39
Speaker 1: of stealing them.
40:42
Speaker 23: And that's precisely why there's this ideological approach in place, which,
40:47
Speaker 23: you know, with all due respect to the stolen generation,
40:50
Speaker 23: those circumstances were completely different to the current circumstances. And
40:54
Speaker 23: those provisions have been brought about by individuals. who are
40:58
Speaker 23: amongst some of our most privileged Australians who have got
41:02
Speaker 23: an education in English, who often sit in some of
41:05
Speaker 23: the most highest paying taxpayer jobs throughout the country and
41:09
Speaker 23: head up many Indigenous organisations. So it's irrelevant to those
41:14
Speaker 23: circumstances and relevant to the circumstances now where children are
41:18
Speaker 23: being left in utter neglect, dysfunction, allowed to be murdered
41:24
Speaker 23: by their own mother when their grandfather has begged child
41:28
Speaker 23: protection over and over and over again to.
41:33
Speaker 6: Protect those children.
41:35
Speaker 23: They're not listening to Aboriginal people who are seeing this firsthand,
41:39
Speaker 23: living this experience, begging children to be able to protect
41:43
Speaker 23: their own grandchildren for crying out loud and now calling
41:47
Speaker 23: for an inquest. Dorothy Paper Talk, she's correct to call
41:50
Speaker 23: for an inquest and she's correct to ask.
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Speaker 6: For an apology by the Premier.
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Speaker 23: He should get off his backside and apologise to this
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Speaker 23: poor woman as well as..... the Minister to consider it,
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Speaker 23: to consider it. You know, this is a problem with Labor.
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Speaker 23: They don't think it's worth an apology. She lost three
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Speaker 23: grandchildren when it could have been utterly prevented. We're talking
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Speaker 23: about our most vulnerable children in this country.
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Speaker 1: Such powerful stuff, Jacinda. I'm so pleased to get your
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Speaker 1: view on it and get your forthright recommendations there, but
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Speaker 1: it's taken up all our time. I'll get you back
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Speaker 1: on soon to talk about small business issues. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Senator Jacinda... Nampa Jimpa Price there about this shame in
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Speaker 1: this nation, the way our bureaucracy and our ideology is
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Speaker 1: leaving children vulnerable to the point of seeing some children murdered.
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Speaker 1: Just extraordinary and disgusting. Let us lighten the mood on
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Speaker 1: the other side of the break because we're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about how the PM has spoken overnight to King Charles.
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Speaker 1: What on earth did they talk about? Susie and Stephen
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Speaker 1: will join me next. Let's get into our Tuesday panel
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Speaker 1: with Susie O'Brien in Melbourne and Stephen Senatiempo in Canberra. Susie,
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Speaker 1: we woke up to news this morning that the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister had been on the blower to the King overnight.
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Speaker 1: What do you reckon they spoke about?
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Speaker 6: Melons?
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Speaker 3: No, just kidding.
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Speaker 6: What did they talk about?
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Speaker 21: Well, possibly they talked about Harry and Meghan's return to
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Speaker 21: the UK, which is absolutely fascinating. And also, apparently they
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Speaker 21: talked about the importance of the relationship between.
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Speaker 6: The two countries.
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Speaker 21: And Albo, who has sort of very much been seen
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Speaker 21: as a Republican in the past, is doing his bit
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Speaker 21: to suck up to the King.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, here's what Albo put on social media. He
43:46
Speaker 1: put up a post where he said, a privilege to
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Speaker 1: speak with His Majesty King Charles III this evening. His
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Speaker 1: affection for the Australian people remains strong. I extended Australia's
43:56
Speaker 1: best wishes to His Majesty and the royal family. Well,
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Speaker 1: good on you, Albo, an old Republican that you are,
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Speaker 1: taking the call. It seems a bit quaint to me, Stephen,
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Speaker 1: that there's got to be this phone call with the King.
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Speaker 1: What for? There's a King's representative here. We've got a
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Speaker 1: Governor-General here. Just go down the road and chat to
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Speaker 1: Sam Mostyn. But I love Susie's idea that he went
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Speaker 1: with the melons joke because Charles would have loved that.
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Speaker 1: But maybe he is trying to... Maybe Charles is looking
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Speaker 1: to offload the Megan and Harry. You know, have we
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Speaker 1: got room for them at Dubbo or something? No, no, no.
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Speaker 16: You're all missing the point. He was on the phone
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Speaker 16: to the King to find out how do you get
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Speaker 16: to live in public housing for your entire life?
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Speaker 1: That's what it was all about.
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Speaker 18: Yes.
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Speaker 1: He knows no different, does the king. Now, I want
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Speaker 1: to get to this controversy over the Sydney Sweeney ad,
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Speaker 1: what they're advertising, what it's all about. I have no idea,
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Speaker 1: but have a look.
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Speaker 3: Thinking of sports?
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Speaker 13: Prove it.
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Speaker 3: Novick is just sports. So they wanted a show. Just sports.
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Speaker 1: You can trade this for it.
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Speaker 6: And the sport.
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Speaker 3: How about this? This sport too.
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Speaker 1: So they're advertising something to do with sport. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what, but as ever with Sydney Sweetie, there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of flesh involved. But I want to go to
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Speaker 1: the reaction, and particularly from female sports people. Have a
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Speaker 1: look at this from... the swimming champion Arianna Titmuss. She says,
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Speaker 1: not only is it a kick in the face to
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Speaker 1: every woman who's dedicated her life to perfecting her craft,
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Speaker 1: but every woman who enjoys sports for what it really is.
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Speaker 1: How do we live in a world where monetising a
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Speaker 1: woman's body and sexualising women's sport is still a thing?
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Speaker 1: What do you reckon, Susie?
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Speaker 15: Oh.
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Speaker 21: It's so hard, this one, because if Sydney Sweeney didn't
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Speaker 21: look the way she looked, no one would be caring.
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Speaker 21: People would be calling it empowerment if she was twice
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Speaker 21: or three times the size she is. She looks amazing.
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Speaker 19: It's a bit.
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Speaker 3: Hard not to look.
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Speaker 21: This is coming from a red-blooded heterosexual woman. However, it's
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Speaker 21: interesting because when someone who looks like this puts themselves
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Speaker 21: out there in a way that she.
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Speaker 1: Wants, she's choosing.
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Speaker 21: People say that's empowerment, but the minute men say they
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Speaker 21: like the look of it, that it's all about men,
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Speaker 21: then suddenly it becomes exploitation. This has got as much
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Speaker 21: to do with the way she looks as it does
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Speaker 21: the men looking at her.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about the exploitation. Here's another person,
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Speaker 1: a female, who's bought into this, Laura Dyson. She's an
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Speaker 1: online coach for fitness and the like. She says, Sydney Sweeney,
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Speaker 1: your ad pissed me off, not because she's naked, because
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Speaker 1: of who's watching. And she's saying because women are watching. And, Stephen,
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Speaker 1: she's saying, and many others have said this, it's demeaning
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Speaker 1: of women in sport. Why not celebrate all those women
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Speaker 1: who are doing Ariana Titmuss, you know, great things in sport,
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Speaker 1: instead of some sort of semi-naked, beautiful actress?
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Speaker 16: But the point is, Chris, it's not actually about sport
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Speaker 16: from what I understand. I think it's about sports betting
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Speaker 16: or sports odds or something like that.
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Speaker 1: Well, but is it?
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Speaker 16: Well, these days it is, but we're talking about it
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Speaker 16: here in Parliament at the moment, aren't we? But, look,
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Speaker 16: I don't think it's not demeaning to women. I mean,
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Speaker 16: clearly Sydney Sweeney doesn't have a problem with it. She
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Speaker 16: actually has an equity share in the company she's advertising.
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Speaker 16: I don't think it has any impact on women's sport
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Speaker 16: at all.
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Speaker 1: It's now my new favourite ad.
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Speaker 16: I'm not quite sure what it's about.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, Father Josh. But, yeah, look, I've got no problem
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Speaker 1: with it. Well, yeah, actually someone in the office today said,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's brilliant advertising because it's promoting all this,
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Speaker 1: some gambling app. I said, well, I'm a bloke. I've
47:50
Speaker 1: seen the ad a few times and I've got no
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Speaker 1: idea what it's about. You know, I think they might
47:57
Speaker 1: need to put the name up a bit more prominently.
47:59
Speaker 1: But I think it is an interesting question because there's
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Speaker 1: female sports getting such good attention these days and then
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Speaker 1: the Suddenly, sports gear is just an excuse for Sydney
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Speaker 1: Sweeney to strip off, I suppose. Let me go to
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Speaker 1: something else a little bit confronting. This is quite good fun.
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Speaker 1: We know Pauline Hanson likes to kick the ABC out
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Speaker 1: of her press conferences. This is the Gold Coast mayor,
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Speaker 1: Tom Tate. He's under a grilling about whether or not
48:24
Speaker 1: he had a meal with Donald Trump, but he turns
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Speaker 1: it back on the reporters. Have a look at this.
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Speaker 1: Are you from the ABC?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, f * * * off.
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Speaker 1: Are you from the ABC? Yes, says the reporter, Susie.
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Speaker 1: F off, and off he goes. That's kind of what
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Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson's thinking, but she doesn't say it that bluntly.
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Speaker 21: Well, at least they got in the press conference. I mean,
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Speaker 21: it's much better than One Nation. But the funny thing
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Speaker 21: is he's been quizzed about whether he had lunch or
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Speaker 21: dinner with Trump, and he's sort of denying it, and
48:56
Speaker 21: they're saying, oh, Trump's saying.
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Speaker 1: It didn't ever happen.
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Speaker 21: And he comes up with this famous line, which is...
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Speaker 21: I'm telling you what I believe to be true. Once
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Speaker 21: people start saying not it's true but I'm telling you
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Speaker 21: what I believe to be true, you know he's probably
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Speaker 21: being caught out telling a porgy.
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Speaker 1: As George Costanza famously said, it's not a lie if
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Speaker 1: you really believe it. Stephen, did you like his blunt approach?
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Speaker 16: Chris, let's be honest, you and I have both wanted
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Speaker 16: to say that to the ABC for a long time,
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Speaker 16: so this guy's our.
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Speaker 1: Hero, isn't he?
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Speaker 16: Look, you know, the reality is, though, it was an
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Speaker 16: aggressive line of questioning. I think that it's something that
49:33
Speaker 16: means nothing to the Gold Coast. I mean, this bloke's
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Speaker 16: the mayor of the Gold Coast. Are there problems? Is
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Speaker 16: Donald Trump trying to develop the strip or something? If
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Speaker 16: he's not, then who cares?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well said. Thanks for joining us, guys. Catch you next week.
49:46
Speaker 1: Susie O'Brien and Stephen Senatiempo. Just a bit of time
49:49
Speaker 1: to share some of your feedback from what we had
49:50
Speaker 1: to say last night. about what's happening in Wyala. Phil says,
49:54
Speaker 1: we now can't make steel, we can't make cars. Surely
49:57
Speaker 1: we can get rid of Anthony Albanese. He really thinks
50:00
Speaker 1: this is a good result. Another person says, Labor thinks
50:05
Speaker 1: they changed the world's climate. And a News 24 viewer says,
50:09
Speaker 1: the beginning of the end of industrialisation. It's sad that
50:12
Speaker 1: most of the workers, blue-collar workers, most likely would have
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Speaker 1: voted Labor over. in the past. Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 1: We will be back here tomorrow night with plenty to
50:23
Speaker 1: talk about and plenty of people to talk to. Here's
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Speaker 1: Peter Credlin.