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Talks to Dylan Rees & Luke Molloy about their choice of The Star Beast · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing quicker.
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  Quicker Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt pen knife.
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  The Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  We 3 Kings of Orient are back together.
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  Joe Ford, Luke Malloy and Dylan Reece.
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  Hello, gentlemen. Hello.
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  Hello, Luke Meeploy. Well done, Joe.
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  Joe Ball. No, it doesn't work.
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  The time has come, gentlemen, for us to finally.
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  I never thought I'd get the call from Dylan Reece to say I'm
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  ready, I'm ready to talk about the Star Beast, but here we are.
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  We were supposed to do this a long time ago, and I was hating
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  Doctor Who so much at the time that I was like, a really, can't
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  I? I sat down and I watched it to
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  do it and did a huge thing of negative points.
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  Like I didn't have a single positive thing to say about it.
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  And then I was just like, do you know what?
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  I'm sick of bitching about Doctor Who at the moment.
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  I'm just going to not watch it. Now it's just a time then for
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  you to tell us that you in fact, you know, manipulated a work
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  engagement so you couldn't take part in our strictly count
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  hamster. All about one of the Shooter
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  Gatwell seasons. No, that was not that.
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  That was not a thing, but it was just I was for for this
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  particular episode, I actually decided I didn't want to do The
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  Star Beast anymore because I was sick of being negative about an
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  era so much now. Has has your RTD 2 PTSD subsided
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  or has it got worse? Well done.
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  It has subsided a bit. It's still my least favorite era
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  of the show. Ever.
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  But yeah, absolutely. And you've.
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  Seen the Peter Davidson era, right?
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  I would. Rather.
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  Watch Alfcott. Than space babies I'd.
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  Rather watch Timefly, Arc of Infinity, Herminus.
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  Yeah, I love Terminus, of course you do.
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  And for me, while my while I have certain things that have
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  revised on this, this to me is where the rot sets in and I
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  still don't believe this is good enough to show on television.
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  Well, sort of moving away from you just for a second because
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  I'm sure you'll have plenty to say.
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  Luke Malloy, I'd like you to paint a picture of the night
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  that this was coming on. You know, sort of.
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  Please tell us about the excitement that was building
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  inside you. Oh yeah, it was.
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  I'd been at the Christmas markets all day and in the place
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  where and I was with my friend Big Doctor fun as well.
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  So we've had a fair few stines before coming back to this.
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  Couldn't have watched it in a better mood.
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  It couldn't have gone better. This was this was Doctor.
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  It was finally back after 5 miserable gloom years and oh
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  boy. Are you 2 friends?
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  I mean this diametrically opposing viewpoint.
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  I should also point out that I went into this very positively.
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  I only there was a brief. Last long.
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  No, but there was a brief 8 minutes no.
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  Aim in it. 8 seconds. I, I started to get my dad's a
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  few weeks before this, but I thought, no, it's Russell T
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  Davis, Mr. Television. He's going to do something
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  amazing. And some of this is my own, you
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  know, ideas of what I wanted from Doctor Who, and some of it
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  is what is presented on screen. But I was not expecting to have
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  such a violent reaction. Visceral.
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  I respect I I messaged you guys, I messaged Mark Johnson, a few
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  other people with about 15 minutes in them.
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  It's just like this is shit. The violence in those words on
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  our group chat, I mean, I was terrified of you at that point.
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  It is true though, because if you go back to that too hot for
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  TV, we did, where we were excited about the 60th.
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  Yeah, the excitement is very much in the earth from all three
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  of us. Absolutely.
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  What was so funny was when we went through the three specials,
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  there was always one person that kind of hated what special.
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  So for this one it was Dylan for Wild Blue, Don't Do It was Luke
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  who was like this is the worst thing ever and Dylan's going
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  now. That was great.
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  And so was I. And then the giggle.
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  I can't remember. We all a bit ambivalent.
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  I can't remember. I like the giggle, but I think
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  everyone in the world found the ball throwing scene a bit
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  disappointing. When you when you when you look
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  at something like Day of the Doctor and how that what the
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  climax of that was like. And there you've got shooty
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  Gatwa with no trousers on playing catch.
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  I don't mind, that's all. Good grief.
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  And those dreadful doctors all standing in a row.
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  We were. Talking about just saying, not
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  the 60th anniversary finale, is it?
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  No, I mean, go back to all the expectations that we had on the
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  Too Hot For TV special, where we were guessing and there was Luke
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  and me saying that it's gonna have all the songs from the
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  classic series in Wild Blue Yonder.
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  We don't know anything about it. So that's gonna be the one where
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  Matt Smith comes back and all this bullshit we were coming out
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  with. Not a bit of it.
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  Christopher Eccleston's gonna be in this.
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  That was my my big. Is that one of the details from
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  the TARDIS? Because he didn't feel as if
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  he'd sort of lonely, sort of classic fan load enough in the
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  60th anniversary. I think his wording was he
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  didn't feel like I'd celebrated the show in the 60th enough.
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  And I think because I think there is a chance he sat in that
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  edit room and went, oh, I'm really, I'm really proud of what
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  we've done here. But it is the 60th and there
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  isn't, you know, anything approaching like a big
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  celebration because they the what the the big thing they got
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  wrong. And I'm not the first person to
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  say this is they should have said for the 60th, we're doing
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  something a bit different. It's a mini series startering
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  David Tennant and Catherine Tate and that is it.
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  And like it would have brought the expectations right down.
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  I think because I've got, I don't know a single fan that
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  isn't a tiny bit disappointed that there wasn't.
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  I mean there is sure the giggles a multi doctor story, but right?
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  Come on, special implies more fun stuff in there or a big
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  film, and these are sort of neither.
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  They're like slightly above normal episodes.
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  This is the remake of an old 70s comic.
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  What do you mean there's nothing fan in there?
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  Yeah. But yeah, but it's AI.
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  William Hartnell is it? This is very much a Russell T
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  Davis episode 1 and I've never been a huge fan of those, so I'm
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  already on the back foot. Did you sort of reconsider this
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  once you saw Space Babies and the Robot Revolution?
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  So this is the greatest Doctor Who story I've ever seen
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  compared to space babies, and I've never seen Robot
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  Revolution, so I don't know. You ain't missing much.
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  But we did love space babies, didn't we, Luke?
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  Yeah, we did. But yeah, I agree, Robot
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  Revolution is not worth a watch. Oh no, So bored.
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  How do you feel about them sort of remaking?
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  We've done Human Nature, we've done Jubilee, and now we're
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  doing the Star Beast. Do you think that's OK to cherry
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  pick stories from Doctor Who's past?
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  Well, I mean, when the alternative is something like
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  Empire of Death, which is a brand new story, you can only
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  say, yeah. I think you've got this vast
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  universe of extended media to pick from and sure, maybe you're
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  not going to pick out the Doctor's black heart from his
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  chest on the 7:00 on BBC. Or combat rock.
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  Or combat rock, Yeah, but. I wish they would make both of
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  them. There's so much brilliant stuff
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  to cherry pick from them and as you are fond of pointing out,
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  Joe Ford on your book clubs. Stephen Moffett, definitely.
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  Yeah. I, I, I was actually quite
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  excited to see Beep the Meep, but the story of the Star Beast
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  is very slight in the comics and it's even they've somehow
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  managed to make it even slighter here.
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  And I think it needed something more to really sort of build
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  what I would describe as something suitable for a modern
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  television audience. Before we go in and press play
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  on this now, Dylan, I know you've watched this this week
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  and whilst you still don't like this, you found things to like
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  in this which is much better than your initial very visceral
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  reaction to it. Luke Malloy, have you rewatched
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  this? I mean, what's your take
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  watching this? I mean, it's just as good if not
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  better than the night after. Of course, of course.
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  I mean, I've enjoyed RTD 2 on the whole to be honest, but
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  these these three, it never really got better than these
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  three. I mean, I think the excitement
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  was all here. Yeah, 70. 3 yards is a high
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  point, but really this is something is lost after these
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  three do. You think they should have
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  probably tenant and time? Do you think they should have
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  just run with them? If they could, yeah.
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  I mean, I remember when, when this ended, when you've got him
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  running around the TARDIS and he's back in there and she's
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  back in there. And it was like, oh God, we've
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  only got them for two more episodes, you know?
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  And it, it felt like it could have gone backwards if we'd have
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  had two seasons with them. But actually, I don't think it
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  would. I rewatched this this week and I
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  still really enjoyed it and I still think it's fun if a bit
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  juvenile, but it is. It's a, it feels like a Sarah
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  Jane adventure to me and I love those so I'm not complaining.
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  I did think some of the comedy was a bit laboured this time and
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  I did find the ending, all the binary binary stuff at the
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  ending I was just like fucking hell, what is happening here?
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  Like I I wasn't sure it was making an adequate enough point
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  to justify how on the nose some of that stuff was in the climax.
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  I mean, we'll get to it, but I think the last 10 minutes are
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  some of the worst Doctor Who ever made.
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  I think. I think it's borderline
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  transphobic in places as well. Wow, Oh my God.
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  Well, I can't wait to explore that well.
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  And obviously everybody wants assist.
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  Man's view on what transphobia is so strapping, everybody.
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  You got it off with a trans person or two Ave.
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  I'm sure you're you know. I've been around, I've run
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  around the block. I would say that it makes
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  absolute sense that me and Dylan have opposite views on this
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  because it feels fundamentally like a story about Doctor Who
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  getting its identity back, whether that is whether you
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  agree with that or not. But it feels like Rusty Lewis
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  wrote this as this is Doctor Who.
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  It's back. It's been away for the last five
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  years, but it's back. So feeling it's a chip N fan as
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  me not a chip N fan. He's coming in from the outer
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  direction. He thinks it's lost its
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  identity. Yeah.
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  I think and it's just slipped back to 2005 all over again or
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  wherever we left off 2008. It's it's a show running on
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  empty for me. This this is like I would rather
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  it wasn't made than it was made. Wow.
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  And I'm sort of zigzagging somewhere in the middle.
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  So I think this is going to be an interesting sort of a
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  conversation. Well, should we go in and see
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  what the lights the Star Beast has to offer?
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  Hell yeah. Malloy, would you care to count
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  us in? 321.
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  I love how you don't hang around, you're just straight in
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  with a count. Yes, yeah.
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  Star Beast. Exciting.
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  My God, The Who? Universal who?
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  We go. We gotta wait.
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  Till did it work out? Oh my God.
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  Do you remember when they added Martha to it?
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  Everyone was like, Martha's got to be in it.
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  They've added on to the home of a Oh, dear.
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  Oh, come on, Dylan. Everything in this intro, which
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  obviously we all know it looks terrible, is said in the
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  conversation that the doctor has with the the unit scientific
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  advisor when this episode stops for no reason to give an
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  exposition dump to then start with one.
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  It just says your audience is stupid and won't understand
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  this. What's so odd, beyond the sort
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  of really terrible green screen, right?
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  It's that we're seeing a load of special effects from 2009.
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  And a load of stuff that doesn't look good because it's not shot
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  in high def from 2008. This.
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  This to me says Doctor Who's a tired old show with ropey
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  effects and doesn't look as good as the rest.
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  Of I mean, not necessarily because it is the 60th.
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  So it's it's just calling back to things.
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  The saddest thing, the thing that upsets me the most about
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  this is our old tenant looks. It doesn't look best old in the
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  rest of the. No, there's something about the
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  light in there. I mean, your favorite director
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  of all time, Rachel Talele, that gave us Heaven Sent, but she
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  didn't do that. No, she didn't.
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  Do that. She didn't do the opening of oh,
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  did she not? No, she let.
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  She went online and disowned this opening from her.
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  But she did do the climax of this, right?
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  Yeah, well, she should hang her head in shame anyway.
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  Then she. Did the whole episode apart from
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  this intro bit because it was. Oh, that's a very unpleasant
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  shot of David. Terrible is it?
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  Staring straight out the camera. I think I'm a little ahead of
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  you. I'm already on the titles.
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  Is that? What George and Moffett sees
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  when they're having it off. Oh, that's terrifying.
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  What about this title sequence then?
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  I do quite like the title sequence, I hate the way the
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  logo comes in like a dot PNG, and I quite like the theme tune.
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  Yeah. And great to see Pat Mills and
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  Dave Gibbons. I do.
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  You know what though? I really felt watching it this
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  time. I do miss second Akanola.
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  The music Man is so fucking overstated.
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  Yeah, it's sad. It's.
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  Dreadful. This Camden Market stuff.
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  The music's intolerable. And the only reason they're in
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  Camden Market, because obviously once again it got to be
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  Leicester Square, was there was something, there was something
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  busy going on there, like a protest or something.
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  So was it supposed to be Leicester Square?
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  It was supposed to be the central London iconography, but
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  they couldn't get sent to. London, it looks way more.
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  Interesting. Yeah.
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  Central London. I mean, I think this episode is
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  the best RTD to looks really, and that's just because Rachel
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  today, he's doing some good shots in it.
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  And Even so, wild blue Yonder. Wild Yonder looks.
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  That's that horrible PlayStation Two corridor.
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  Oh. Gorgeous.
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  Yeah. I think Wild Blue Yonder is the
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  worst Doctor Who's looked in years.
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  Well, you're mad, that's why. Agreed.
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  Apart from the robot revolution, you should check that out.
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  We'll be back. Next time.
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  Oh, the CGI and the robot revolution.
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  Oh, it's dismal. It's actually a completely
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  different show. I'm thinking of the Robot
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  Revolution. Compared to this, it's
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  completely different. Now, do we think this is how we
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  should have had our two characters reunite?
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  Would we be better off telling the story through the eyes of
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  Rose? I know Joe, you said.
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  No, she can't act. No, she can't act.
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  And we want to see Tennant. We want to see Tennant.
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  No, we want to see Tay. Come on.
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  So my big thing for this rewatch and that, and the reason I don't
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  hate it so much is because watching this again, I'm like, I
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  have the same feeling as when I saw Jodie Whittaker in that
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  finale, whatever it was called, the reality War.
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  It's like oh the Doctor's back, which I because for me she to
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  Gatwa completely fails playing the role and is and just There
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  is no is interpretation and the writing doesn't work, whereas
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  this is recognizably the character of the.
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  Doctor watching Tate right this week when I watched this, I only
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  watched this one. I and I put it in a message to
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  you guys. I went man, she makes Millie and
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  Verada look so bland. There's just so much personality
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  and humour. It just beams off her.
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  Yeah, she's brilliant. But that's not even the right.
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  And that's just Catherine Tate. She's just got presents.
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  Yeah, but I mean, I love how quickly this gets into things.
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  Like we're in Camden, there's a spaceship, the Doctor and Don
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  are already back together. It's just it's straight off.
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  But we're still doing that. Obviously she can't remember,
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  right? Well, that is the story though.
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  Now. Did did Sean Noble not meet the
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  10th Doctor? Oh, chance Finger, I can see his
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  head twisted in the end of time. Yeah, so potentially because his
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  head twisted, he never did, right?
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  Well, he's trying to hide away from Donna, isn't?
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  He's trying to just hang out with Wilf.
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  And then even at the wedding, he's far away.
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  I'm going to say no. He's a very nice, even if he did
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  sort of middish character. He's he's nice, but there's
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  nothing particularly vivid about him.
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  But he's a nice guy. Yeah, but even if he did see
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  him, like would you remember a bloke from 50 I suppose, if he
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  was in your full room now? People say that there's no
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  difference between 10:00 and then and now there there is.
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  He's he's learned some acting skills between 2008 and whenever
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  this went out. I think he's got a bit of the
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  other. I actually think purposely he's
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  took a bit of the other Doctors and manages to have that.
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  He's got like, the sneakiness of Matt Smith and a bit more
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  authority like Peter Capaldi, like.
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  When he's got a scream, he ain't doing that anymore.
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  You know, he sort of brings it down a bit.
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  And you see it in wild blue Yonder when he and in this where
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  he's like, why does it have to be this?
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  And he's being angry. It's it's a better acting of
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  angry than I think. He doesn't always hit him his
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  previously. You know what the bit it's a bit
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  at the end of this where he says, no, you are not.
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  And he really says it like his voice is breaking, he's about to
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  cry, but it it just doesn't go over the top like he used.
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  I mean, I love seeing it back in the day, don't get me wrong.
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  Yeah, I think a huge difference here is that I grew up with
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  David Tennant as well. He he was like a child of the
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  hero for years. So he but I never seen anything
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  bad to him the first time. He was just perfect upon
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  perfect. Now this on fire warehouse here
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  looks almost as bad as the on fire department store.
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  And how's? The same flames, isn't it?
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  Come on, we're 20 odd years later and you can't the CGI
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  flames. I've misremembered, but Gemma
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  Redgrave don't turn up in this, does she?
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  No, she's busy being There's only room for one bland actor in
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  this. And don't you come after Ruth
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  Madeley, all right? I was talking about Rose.
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  That's. My heebie Harrison from the six
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  boxer audio. She's fabulous.
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  She's she's. Great in this as.
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  Well, she's not as good as Maurice Gibbons.
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  Though what are you talking about?
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  That kid on a tricycle? Yeah.
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  She's she's not, she's not as good as Osgood.
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  No one's as good as the vlinks. We'll save the Osgood chat for 2
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  odd for TV, but you can fuck off.
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  I love Osgood, she's brilliant. Oh, right, she's.
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  She's charming enough, but anyone seems charming compared
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  to Gemma Redgrave. Bring back Malcolm.
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  Oh, please. Yes.
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  I couldn't believe when I learned it was supposed to be a
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  day at the doctor. Yeah, wonderful.
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  So shitty looking flames, OK looking spaceship.
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  You know this is all fine. That looks cool.
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  Look at that spaceship. That looks great.
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  And then they've built the bottom of it in the studio.
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  Fabulous. Although like all of this stuff
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  about the soldiers being possessed and then this very
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  long conversation with the pacing is a bit weird.
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  Yeah. I I miss the doctor being sneaky
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  and covert. I mean, it just looks so cool.
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  I can forgive so much of what's going on when the doctor's just
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  being cool. What, did you forget about Jodie
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  Whittaker? Yeah, how cool she was.
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  Oh, we're just watching now. Yeah, sorry.
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  Well done chaps. But, but I'm also here, I'm
• 20:12
  like, why isn't there more? Reckon it doesn't take much in a
• 20:15
  celebration to throw in a little bit more recognisable units, be
• 20:19
  it characters as you know, Kate Stewart as you.
• 20:21
  Mentioned. John Levine.
• 20:23
  John Levine. This is a lovely scene where
• 20:26
  they're walking down the road. Are you guys there yet?
• 20:29
  Yes, Yeah, yeah. What?
• 20:31
  What you like it when she gets dead Named?
• 20:33
  No. It's just a lovely like moment
• 20:35
  of this is how the things that trans people have to go through,
• 20:39
  yeah. It feels very real.
• 20:40
  I love all the stuff of Sylvia, who's trying so hard to get it
• 20:45
  right and still slips up because you do.
• 20:47
  And that's what I want from Russell T Davis at his best when
• 20:50
  he he his sort of, he can throw in those or used to be able to
• 20:54
  throw in those sort of political motives and social commentary so
• 20:57
  effortlessly. But this is subtle.
• 20:59
  We've we've Jacqueline kid. Yes, at the end of the episode
• 21:02
  when she's there going binary binary.
• 21:04
  But I said OK with subtlety has left the.
• 21:06
  Building, I mean, even halfway through when the Meep says that
• 21:09
  thing about the, there's a really clunky line, isn't there?
• 21:12
  When the Doctor like mispronounced the Meep and you
• 21:16
  just think like 15 minutes ago, you've got this Sylvia getting
• 21:19
  it wrong, not being punished by Donna or the plot or anyone.
• 21:23
  She's just trying to do the right thing and it's all the
• 21:25
  more relatable for it. And we have to say, look, we did
• 21:28
  meet Jacqueline King, didn't we, recently at the convention.
• 21:31
  And she was just heaven to be with, even for those few
• 21:35
  seconds. Yeah, and she, she signed my
• 21:38
  picture. Tuna Madras.
• 21:40
  And I told her that Turn Left was my favorite episode of the
• 21:43
  new series, and she said I had great taste.
• 21:46
  It's, it's great to see her again as well, You know, like I,
• 21:49
  I wasn't crying out for Sean's return, but it's nice to have
• 21:52
  him there and it makes sense. But Jacqueline King, when they
• 21:55
  were like, she's coming back, I, I was like, yes, we're in.
• 21:58
  I know you're gonna fight me on this, Dylan, but my favorite
• 22:01
  part of this episode is the bit where the RAF warriors attack on
• 22:04
  the strike. All of that, and they're going
• 22:06
  through the lofts and all of that.
• 22:08
  It's just crazy energy and silly and perfect.
• 22:11
  I've got some very positive things to say about that.
• 22:14
  And Gucci, you chat with this no money on the screen.
• 22:17
  I shall fight you, No. But the point is they spent all
• 22:19
  their money on building this house like that's a set.
• 22:24
  They build the house to blow it up in the thing.
• 22:26
  And I'm just like. It's building a house that
• 22:28
  expensive in production terms. I mean, I built half a flat and
• 22:32
  it cost a quarter of a million clearly for you.
• 22:35
  May as well just buy a house and blow it up.
• 22:38
  And then they make that mistake again in church on Ruby Road,
• 22:41
  and so this time they don't even finish the.
• 22:43
  Script the longest hallway of all time, the Infinity corridor.
• 22:47
  Set builds are so expensive, like and I don't see in the
• 22:52
  attack on the House, I don't see anything that you couldn't have
• 22:55
  done in a real house, you know? I do miss though, because I
• 22:59
  always loved the tension between Donna and Sylvia and I do miss
• 23:03
  that you know this. The in Partners in Crime this
• 23:06
  scene was her sitting at the table while Sylvia is running
• 23:09
  around screaming at her for hours and.
• 23:11
  Hours just feel a bit more like mature.
• 23:13
  We couldn't just have that again.
• 23:14
  Could it's it's it's like years have passed.
• 23:18
  Yeah, I don't know. I just love a bitch.
• 23:19
  I just love a bitch in Doctor Who.
• 23:21
  I love all these lines. Like it's these sort of lines
• 23:25
  that just get that excitement going again, get the goosebumps
• 23:28
  going again, the ones that you heard in the trailers all the
• 23:30
  time. Maury's music in the background
• 23:32
  make you feel everything. Like something's missing, Luke,
• 23:35
  that something should be there. Yeah.
• 23:37
  I mean, when it's when it's good, when, when RTD can really
• 23:42
  make you like Hurst and it's good, yeah.
• 23:47
  And there were a lot of moments in the in wobble Yonder where I
• 23:50
  I was just on edge. The wrong Donna.
• 23:54
  Oh. Boy Fudge Fudge was a character
• 23:56
  that had a big part in the comic strip.
• 23:58
  Yeah, God, listen, have you all done recently?
• 24:01
  He's. So much more likeable here than
• 24:03
  he is on. He was very annoying.
• 24:05
  He was Christ. In the audio is.
• 24:08
  That it is that what he does that one line.
• 24:10
  No, he looks out of a window like that.
• 24:12
  Oh wow, my God. Yeah, I know.
• 24:15
  So what is this, the escape bolt?
• 24:17
  Yeah, and I quite like the sort of kitsch design that's like the
• 24:21
  comics. Like, it's very cool.
• 24:23
  I think if you like the Star Beast, you like this adaptation,
• 24:25
  though it's taking a it feels like a comic on screen.
• 24:29
  Do you think Russell knew that Yasmin Finney was such a
• 24:32
  dreadful actress that he deliberately didn't channel this
• 24:36
  story through Rose's eyes? I mean there must be something,
• 24:40
  some so. Normally he would.
• 24:42
  He does it with Rose, he does it with Martha, he does it with
• 24:44
  Donna. He does.
• 24:46
  It's not serious, is it? It's it's three specials.
• 24:50
  But you know, she does keep coming back.
• 24:53
  Oh look, it's the meep. The MEAP who successfully
• 24:56
  manages to not look the same in any shot in any scene in this
• 25:00
  thing. It's insane that they've got a
• 25:03
  profit and they've got a CGI model and never once does it.
• 25:07
  Match. I think he's going.
• 25:09
  He's going for the adipose, isn't he?
• 25:10
  That sort of cute horror? I think you don't land in the
• 25:15
  same way. I do think that like 90% of the
• 25:19
  audience will not notice anything and the other 10% will
• 25:23
  just go. But so I have.
• 25:26
  A Not everyone's a TV producer, you know, watching Doctor.
• 25:29
  But I have a question for you. Is this the best place for a
• 25:33
  Disney Plus audience to start? Absolutely not.
• 25:36
  But that was always weird. And then even if they get
• 25:39
  through this, there's a random Christmas special.
• 25:41
  Yeah. And then?
• 25:42
  Then space babies. And then space babies and stuff.
• 25:44
  Yeah, it's almost like you didn't wallet to work.
• 25:48
  It's bizarre. I loved this reason of like,
• 25:51
  well, it's the last thing anyone's gonna expect.
• 25:53
  Yeah, for a reason. I before you, I absolutely love
• 25:59
  these screens that come out of your Sonic screwdriver.
• 26:02
  But why don't we do it again? See him again?
• 26:03
  Why didn't we ever do it again? I can think of times in the next
• 26:07
  couple of years when they come in quite handy.
• 26:10
  They make so much sense and they look so cool.
• 26:13
  I could, I could watch, you know you get those like 8 hour
• 26:15
  YouTube things that play jazz. I could watch just the doctor
• 26:19
  looking at one of those screens for 8 hours with more.
• 26:21
  He's very old, though, during that action sequence loop where
• 26:24
  he's building the sort of box that let's go through the
• 26:26
  hallway. Bear with me.
• 26:28
  It's like watching someone put up a load of shelves in the
• 26:30
  middle of an action sequence. It's very yes.
• 26:33
  Very Doctor Who. That's what he uses this sort of
• 26:35
  screwdriver for. But back in the day, they
• 26:37
  literally. Just had a square gun and blew
• 26:39
  hole in the floor and went through it in two seconds.
• 26:42
  We've got to. We've got to move on.
• 26:43
  Joe No, yeah, it's slower. Now it slows down the action so
• 26:48
  much, those squares, it's a very cool idea, but it you should be
• 26:51
  able to do it in a second and that is it slows, it slows it
• 26:54
  right down. Come on.
• 26:56
  Come on, it's going to make some Shields now and put her foes in
• 26:58
  boxes. Thank you.
• 27:00
  Oh, Luke. I I love this Sonic shield as
• 27:05
  well like oh this Sonic is I really like the big sonics, you
• 27:09
  know the 11-12 this one. You know what's a bit of a shame
• 27:13
  though, is that the Jacqueline Rayner fronted Heebie Harrison
• 27:19
  audios hand roof Madeley a very rounded character who gets a ton
• 27:26
  of time to explore her character.
• 27:29
  We barely spend any time with Shirley in the next two years.
• 27:32
  Yeah, but Shirley's not a companion, isn't it?
• 27:34
  But I haven't imagined, you know, on Big Finish she does
• 27:37
  actually get through the TARDIS doors, which, you know, she.
• 27:39
  Gets erased from history, Luke by a dreadful person who wants
• 27:43
  to get rid of all disabled people.
• 27:46
  I see that guy from Rosa. It could be now it's Imogen
• 27:52
  stubs of all people, so. So we we're in the same place
• 27:55
  for a while here while the doctor explains the plot that he
• 27:58
  explained 10 minutes ago on some bad green screen.
• 28:00
  And it's done much better than here, although it is a little
• 28:03
  bit slow. Why didn't he regenerate into
• 28:07
  Jodie Whittaker's costume? I mean, no one really knows.
• 28:12
  You've seen the heart and the legit and the world supposed to
• 28:14
  be. I've been in a way it.
• 28:15
  Will Well, there was, there was the whole thing that Russell
• 28:17
  said. I didn't want, you know, the
• 28:19
  Doctor to anybody to use that image and take the Mickey out of
• 28:24
  the Doctor being in woman's clothing.
• 28:26
  Did you see how hot Sasha Dewan looked in Power of the Doctor
• 28:29
  wearing those clothes? Did you see she get away at any
• 28:31
  point in the last? So it doesn't stand.
• 28:34
  And then there was a rumour that it was like, well, he didn't
• 28:36
  like the costume, but if he didn't like the costume, why did
• 28:38
  he then put her back in it when she showed up?
• 28:41
  They could have done a pool and just, you know.
• 28:42
  Made it's definitely a a reinvention thing.
• 28:46
  It's there. It's again, it's this thing of
• 28:48
  we don't, we don't want to establish that with the
• 28:50
  Chibnulator. Also, is there a specific on
• 28:54
  screen mention of what is supposed to be this Doctor's
• 28:58
  first adventure, the DWM strip Liberation of the Daleks?
• 29:02
  Is that mentioned here or in that little Dalek castaway that
• 29:04
  they did? I'm not sure because.
• 29:06
  It's not mentioned here. I mean, that was such a weird
• 29:09
  thing. DWM, we're going to give you a
• 29:10
  massive gift. You can or the first story of
• 29:13
  this doctor so we don't have to. That was very exciting at the
• 29:17
  time though. It's a fun trip is we had we had
• 29:20
  a year to wait and in that meantime you got you got an
• 29:24
  adventure right there. I mean, I will say that Rusty
• 29:28
  Davis did give Doctor Who Magazine far more than Chris
• 29:31
  Jubnal. Better than.
• 29:33
  People sitting around the table, you know, enjoy Revolution of
• 29:36
  the Daleks. Better than destination Scar,
• 29:39
  wasn't it? What was that all about?
• 29:43
  A jazzy music. That's one where I'd agree with
• 29:45
  you. Segan should have come back.
• 29:47
  So our guards are about to be hypnotized.
• 29:51
  Now in the comics, the beep the meeps can do mass hypnotizing,
• 29:54
  can't they? Or doesn't he use the power of
• 29:57
  the black sum or something? In his eyes, I'm a.
• 30:00
  Little bit like, if they're so powerful, why not just do this
• 30:04
  to everybody? But this all feels very Sarah
• 30:07
  Jane Adventures now, all the light going in their eyes and
• 30:11
  things like that. It's.
• 30:12
  The colour palette as well, isn't it?
• 30:14
  That just makes it feel a little bit like.
• 30:16
  But this and this is the colour palette they run with an RTD
• 30:19
  too. That's why it has that sort of
• 30:21
  childish feeling over it. Yeah, it all.
• 30:24
  It all feels like the Suntar and Stratagem.
• 30:26
  Well, no, it's more muted I think than RTD one, but it's
• 30:30
  just as colourful. Like I don't think it's as as
• 30:34
  primary colours as RCD one was at times.
• 30:38
  Yeah. I think Rose Noble, Yes.
• 30:42
  Now come on, I'm the only person talking about Yasmin Finney and
• 30:44
  Rose Noble. What do you guys think?
• 30:47
  Are we shit? Yeah, as I as I said in our
• 30:50
  chat, she makes Sarah Sutton look like Daniel Day Lewis.
• 30:56
  Can you all me when I'll take a drink please?
• 31:00
  Jesus Christ. I had a minus bit to do with her
• 31:04
  cast, her rise to fame, but when she was cast in Heart Stopper
• 31:08
  because she was street cast in the role and you know.
• 31:12
  I love right contract, well done.
• 31:14
  It's all my fault. You gave her work.
• 31:16
  Okay, well. To be honest, I mean, this is
• 31:19
  the the episode where she's the most in it or she's got the most
• 31:23
  to do. Like it's that it doesn't bother
• 31:26
  me in any way, but I don't think she's very good.
• 31:29
  You love the fact as well. You know, Rachel Tallele once
• 31:32
  gave us, you know, heaven, the sin, a treatise on grief and the
• 31:36
  horror of losing somebody. And now she's got beat the meat
• 31:39
  guy. Please be my friend.
• 31:41
  Please be my friend. I mean tonally, man.
• 31:44
  And it. Wasn't good enough for RTD.
• 31:47
  I genuinely wonder why they didn't give her a wild blue
• 31:51
  Yonder because I think she would have done a much better job of
• 31:53
  it in terms of the aesthetic than.
• 31:57
  Any. I love it too but it looks cheap
• 32:01
  where and I just think it needs somebody who really cares about
• 32:04
  special effects. There's a very much this will do
• 32:08
  attitude towards. It What would she have done with
• 32:09
  space babies? She killed herself.
• 32:13
  It's like it doesn't feel like we're reaching for cinema
• 32:16
  though, like we was during the Chipnol era.
• 32:18
  It really does feel like we're back in TV.
• 32:20
  That's. The backwards step, isn't it?
• 32:21
  We're back in. Houses and back streets and, you
• 32:24
  know, all the sort of mundane settings that we used to.
• 32:27
  Have and even on the nightmare and my mate who had like the
• 32:30
  Chipnol era love for us today was they were telling we're
• 32:32
  saying that I was saying this is amazing, but it doesn't look
• 32:35
  like anywhere near as good as what we've had and you can't.
• 32:39
  Scale isn't it, I think. And it's just, yeah, Rusty Davis
• 32:44
  just prefers the television look, And I think that's the
• 32:46
  wrong choice when you're going to Disney Plus.
• 32:49
  Here we go. This is where it all goes really
• 32:50
  great. This set piece is great, isn't
• 32:53
  it? There's.
• 32:53
  One bit. There's one bit where the camera
• 32:55
  swoops down the street and the RAF Warriors are firing and
• 32:58
  flying through the air and we swoop through into the loft and
• 33:02
  they're all running through the loft from one house to another.
• 33:05
  It's fabulous. I agree and I think it that that
• 33:08
  bit does look great. But this this like next two
• 33:11
  minutes is I mean, we I was laughing a lot.
• 33:14
  I still find it very fully the most.
• 33:17
  Slapping. I don't really like it when they
• 33:19
  slap the doctor. I do.
• 33:21
  Mum should always slap doctors. You're a violent man, Dylan
• 33:26
  Reece. But yeah, no, this is things are
• 33:30
  ramping up here. We've got a bloody Martian in
• 33:33
  the shed. Space, right?
• 33:36
  Yeah. I mean, it's all, it's all great
• 33:39
  lives. Oh, my God.
• 33:40
  Don't look, Donna, don't look. I mean, it's like a farce now,
• 33:44
  isn't it? I said she belts him.
• 33:50
  Here we go again. It's that skinny man.
• 33:53
  Oh, Luke, in many ways, we have the same mind.
• 33:59
  She's gone. For the love of gods, please.
• 34:04
  I do like this stuff. I just and when we get to the
• 34:07
  battle sequence, it looks great, but I am just a bit like, is
• 34:10
  that all you've got? Because I don't think it's
• 34:12
  anything that hasn't that the previous eras, including the
• 34:16
  Moffett era, couldn't have done. But feels like they're reaching
• 34:19
  for it going. This is the only time Doctor Who
• 34:21
  could ever do anything like. This I, I think this was fine
• 34:24
  for three episodes and then I think I was expecting it to jump
• 34:28
  up a level when it when it went to Disney.
• 34:31
  The fact it doesn't leaves this as the high point where you
• 34:34
  thought it was going to be the. And there were rumours in fandom
• 34:37
  that this wasn't Disney. But it was.
• 34:39
  This is all it was shown on Disney Plus.
• 34:40
  It was paid for by Disney. This is all part of the Disney
• 34:43
  deal. And this is.
• 34:45
  Hard to tell anyone that Disney hadn't seen those who have any
• 34:48
  idea what was going on. I think we should say that the
• 34:51
  Chip Nawira couldn't do domestic comedy.
• 34:53
  Don't you remember the Wi-Fi family of resolution?
• 34:59
  No, I mean, I mean, this is no way as funny as that bit at the
• 35:02
  start of the Halloween apocalypse.
• 35:03
  I mean, often that's much funnier than this.
• 35:07
  I mean, no, there's only one funny bit in the chip.
• 35:09
  No, you're in that release. Teasing.
• 35:12
  None. Oh, teasing.
• 35:14
  I love that guy. I love that guy.
• 35:18
  Oh, so this is a puppet now? Yeah.
• 35:22
  Is he always a puppet or sometimes he's?
• 35:24
  CG It's a mix of puppetry and CG and a man in a costume.
• 35:30
  This was a weird beat, right? Knowing that Bernie Crimson died
• 35:34
  and then it's played as like a weird joke that he's dead, but
• 35:37
  he's not dead. One of the few notes that he
• 35:39
  took Russell took when they were doing this is that he was going
• 35:43
  to kill off Bernard at the end of the end of the giggle and
• 35:47
  Phil Collins and said don't fucking do it.
• 35:51
  He's off shooting. Badgers or something?
• 35:55
  I guess so at this point Bernard Cribbins is still alive and
• 36:00
  presumably going to be have a little role in the.
• 36:02
  Gig Oh yeah, I just think if you're gonna if you're gonna
• 36:04
  wear this you just cut that yeah 10 second exchange out because I
• 36:08
  I was watching the night going oh he's they're doing a memory
• 36:12
  for it, but no they're not. Whose heart didn't explode out
• 36:15
  of his their chest when he turned up at the end of Wobbly.
• 36:17
  I mean, it's just a like, is it the end of this for the end of
• 36:20
  that? It's the end of that.
• 36:21
  Yeah. God, it's great.
• 36:24
  That was when I knew why Blue Yonder was doomed not to have
• 36:27
  any other doctors in it, because the the what?
• 36:29
  I heard one of the names that was leaked and it was Bernard
• 36:31
  Cribbins. And I was like, OK, we knew he
• 36:32
  was coming. I still can't believe they
• 36:34
  dropped a plane on London at the end.
• 36:37
  What is going on? I mean, they don't even deal
• 36:40
  with it. Well, Chip no wipes out all the
• 36:42
  fucking universe and they don't deal with that.
• 36:45
  Well, they did in wobble Yonder a little chat about it.
• 36:51
  Great breaking news. The war between the land and the
• 36:54
  sea is going head to head with the I'm A Celebrity final.
• 36:57
  Oh shit, they've got no hope. I don't think it had any hope.
• 37:03
  Me and Luke were just saying actually before you turned out,
• 37:05
  but none, neither one of us realised it was on this weekend.
• 37:08
  Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? The Homo Aqua are coming.
• 37:16
  The less said about that, the better.
• 37:19
  So big explosion will be there, right?
• 37:22
  Yeah, we've got past a few clunky lines and now we get some
• 37:25
  exciting Wraith Warrior action I love.
• 37:29
  The Raft Warriors, Yeah. Well, they're an actual monster.
• 37:33
  I like them and I think, but again in your opening story of
• 37:38
  this is what Doctor can do. Like be glowing red eyes coming
• 37:42
  out of the smoke. It's all meant to be quite fun.
• 37:45
  Yeah, it's silly. It's supposed to be.
• 37:46
  We're not. We're not meant to be doing.
• 37:47
  Weeping Angels are. No, but it it, it doesn't look
• 37:50
  like anything but a man in a costume.
• 37:54
  It looks like a not a big man in a costume.
• 37:57
  Yeah, it's not as fast as I got. Come on.
• 38:00
  But you know, the homo Aqua as my as a too hot to as the host
• 38:06
  who hot for TV, seeing the seeing the Rap Warriors in the
• 38:11
  flesh is a little bit exciting. It's.
• 38:14
  Great. Yeah, it's great.
• 38:15
  It's. Great, all this stuff is
• 38:16
  exciting and then Doctor Who stops to build the.
• 38:18
  Machine No, this is great. Oh, it's.
• 38:22
  Fine, but he should be able to just ZAP and they're there.
• 38:24
  No, I like the build and the move.
• 38:27
  That is so cool. I just love how slow it is for
• 38:31
  them getting up the stairs and the poor old meep slowing them
• 38:34
  all down. I would be doing that.
• 38:36
  There's absolutely room there for the stray laser to get
• 38:39
  through and take out Rose Noble or the.
• 38:42
  Yeah, you make a good point there.
• 38:46
  Yeah, I would be drawing the doors and moving them.
• 38:50
  I would be doing that all the time.
• 38:53
  Yeah, like I think maybe you really can reconnect with your
• 38:56
  inner child watching this, Luke. It's more than.
• 38:59
  Any Yeah, it's David. Because this was your end to
• 39:02
  Doctor Who, wasn't it? All of this.
• 39:04
  And he's not lost it. It's not like watching an actor
• 39:06
  that's come back to the role and they're basically not there, you
• 39:09
  know, like the later red dwarfs. It's like he's actually seems to
• 39:14
  have it more. Like we were saying, he's he's
• 39:15
  developed as an actor. Look on the Ralph Warriors
• 39:18
  flying there. Oh, come on, that's great.
• 39:23
  You're, you're right. It, it, it does have iconography
• 39:25
  for kids. The question is, were any kids
• 39:27
  actually watching this or was it all the people?
• 39:29
  We're not having that argument again, aren't.
• 39:31
  We but just watching. Was it all the people like you,
• 39:35
  Luke, who loved this era as a kid and maybe went away from the
• 39:38
  show, not like you and then came back because David Tennant and
• 39:41
  Catherine Tate? Oh yes, that's why there's no
• 39:44
  one left but those 3. Whether they're watching it or
• 39:47
  not, there's far more for kids to watch here than that ball
• 39:50
  fest. Heaven sent an old man walking
• 39:52
  around a castle for a billion years, but they'd rather watch
• 39:56
  flying insects going around with laser beams.
• 39:58
  They probably would. Yes, but kids are stupid.
• 40:04
  Well, you like the McCoy era when you were a child, didn't
• 40:07
  you? You were very stupid.
• 40:10
  I love this bit in the loft looking.
• 40:12
  Yeah, God, really cool look. See.
• 40:14
  I said something nice. No, we haven't had the bit yet
• 40:17
  where the camera zooms along the road and everyone's firing at
• 40:20
  everybody and then it goes through into the loft.
• 40:22
  It's so and you just see the meep go really slowly past the
• 40:25
  hole. We don't sort of mention that
• 40:27
  the doctors just sort of stop trying to share.
• 40:30
  Here we go, here we go. Watch it.
• 40:33
  Boo Boo, Boo Boo. Flames fire again, going right
• 40:37
  up into the sky. But it's only a drone like it's
• 40:41
  not like. Dylan, let me enjoy my life, all
• 40:43
  right? It looks great, but everybody's
• 40:45
  like, Oh my God, what amazing shot.
• 40:47
  It's only a drone. Dylan They used the drone on
• 40:49
  adolescence and everyone lost their fucking minds.
• 40:52
  Do you think they borrowed it off Chris Chapman from all those
• 40:54
  documentaries? The moon balloon produces.
• 40:59
  Or they've flown up a car there. Doesn't a car go flying in a
• 41:02
  minute? That that car also meant Romeo
• 41:05
  in the giggle. Look at them flying past the
• 41:07
  camera and then here we go straight through into the loft.
• 41:10
  Watch the meep crawling past it. Beep beep.
• 41:14
  I was gonna say is yeah, the doctors just shot.
• 41:16
  Stop trying to shield Donna from what's going on Port.
• 41:19
  When things are just this fun and this cool, you just don't
• 41:22
  really. There is that lovely moment just
• 41:25
  before they they scream that he does the screams where or as
• 41:28
  he's doing it, where he passes the the Sonic to Donna to hold
• 41:31
  and she just sort of does it and think and that point I'm a bit.
• 41:35
  Like, oh, this. Look at them tiptoeing past the
• 41:37
  door. This is great.
• 41:40
  The man's asleep. Me.
• 41:41
  Me. I think, well, you know, this
• 41:44
  is, don't you? Who?
• 41:46
  This is he's called Billy and he's the milkman from the stolen
• 41:50
  Earth's best mate. No.
• 41:52
  That's what it says in the target novel, yeah.
• 41:55
  Gary Russell, he's got across every team and so every.
• 42:02
  The milkman from the Stolen Earth, IE Stu Ferguson.
• 42:07
  His best mate is Billy, sat on the couch right there, not
• 42:11
  making any of that up. I love the fact as well.
• 42:13
  I've got a mate whose kids did watch this and had no idea the
• 42:17
  twist about the meep was coming and was genuinely flawed when it
• 42:21
  turned out to be evil. I'm trying, I'm desperately
• 42:25
  trying to find who the actor is that plays is.
• 42:28
  He wouldn't have been called Billy in the thing.
• 42:29
  No, no, he's named Billy Poster. Can I say something a little
• 42:35
  controversial? Don't think Miriam Margulies
• 42:39
  does very good voice work in this.
• 42:41
  No, I think Miriam Margulies is possibly a bit of an overapted
• 42:45
  personality. Yeah, no, I mean, I think when
• 42:48
  she goes on about fannies on chat shows and things, she's
• 42:51
  hilarious. But when she's sort of going,
• 42:53
  yeah, well, I'm a little. I mean, what?
• 42:55
  What else do you want from the ME?
• 42:56
  I'm not saying it's good or bad, I just don't don't know what
• 42:59
  else I would. Now we're we're at the point
• 43:01
  where I lose all goodwill with this.
• 43:03
  But sorry but can I just say I really like it when the Doctor
• 43:07
  just drives a car. It's always, it always strikes
• 43:10
  me as like an odd visual that pick Polly does it in the Zeigon
• 43:13
  episode. If Tom Baker can pull up
• 43:15
  Barristers Week out of his pocket in The Stones of Blood,
• 43:17
  then David Tennant can do it in the Star Beast.
• 43:19
  And much used by the Polish box as well We must.
• 43:22
  I've got to admit, I think after that bit this did feel like it
• 43:25
  slams the brakes sort of it. All of a sudden we're just stood
• 43:28
  in a car park talking bollocks and this, this is the point
• 43:33
  where I'm done. Basically this is.
• 43:36
  Like, no, no, no. But seriously, remember all the
• 43:38
  different places we go to him, the Halloween apocalypse, all
• 43:41
  those vistas that we go to. A warehouse, a house and a car
• 43:45
  park and a bit of Camden isn't good enough Like this.
• 43:48
  Yeah, but. Right.
• 43:49
  He's absolutely inured in television.
• 43:52
  The Halloween apocalypse looks worse than anything here.
• 43:55
  Oh shut up. Absolutely.
• 43:58
  On with those spitting pools of acids.
• 44:01
  Horrible. It's the worst.
• 44:03
  Size. Ever.
• 44:04
  Plus that that gag with the the mattress and the TARDIS console
• 44:08
  where we've got us all talking for months.
• 44:10
  Got me gagged. Yeah, better did.
• 44:12
  Ah, the evil Raft warriors want to kill the Meep.
• 44:17
  This would be better if there was a flashback to the meeps
• 44:21
  planet or even like an animation or something like that.
• 44:23
  Just so. Even a comic strip would have
• 44:27
  been a nice touch, Actually, yeah, we'd have seen the Black
• 44:30
  Sun and all the meeps. You know what's embarrassing?
• 44:32
  I had a bit of a Catherine Tate moment watching this because I
• 44:36
  thought the Ralph Warriors was CGI.
• 44:37
  And then I watched the, you know, what's it called?
• 44:39
  The documentary thing afterwards, All their costumes,
• 44:42
  OK. See.
• 44:45
  Was convinced, yes. See, that's where all the money
• 44:48
  is, not in the car park on the Rafares.
• 44:51
  Bring him back, that's what I say.
• 44:53
  I do quite like the fact that they've got awfully nice voices.
• 44:55
  I do. I think that's a great touch.
• 44:57
  Yes, Homo Aqua versus Rafa is please.
• 45:04
  They look terrible, those movies.
• 45:06
  Hey, you think? I think they look brilliant.
• 45:08
  Are you mad? You are insane it.
• 45:12
  Looks so much better than those. It's the one thing that legends
• 45:15
  of the Sea Devils got better. They just look like a human with
• 45:19
  face paint on. Now you're talking about salt,
• 45:22
  aren't you? No, I'm talking and I'm talking
• 45:24
  about the actual Sea Devil. Design.
• 45:25
  Oh, I like the actual Sea Devils.
• 45:27
  Yeah, but you can't call them that anymore.
• 45:30
  Oh yes, sorry. I can.
• 45:32
  Oh my God fellas, the Meep is evil all along.
• 45:36
  I would have guessed it and it's such a basic bitch plot twist
• 45:39
  and I know we all know it's coming, but everybody watching
• 45:42
  knows it's coming. It's just too obvious.
• 45:44
  But I do think, I do think the focus is more theory tells us
• 45:49
  back, Catherine takes back. You just need this little plot.
• 45:52
  It is possible to do that and have a good plot.
• 45:56
  But that's true. We'll see.
• 45:57
  There's never just that on season.
• 45:58
  Nope, it's not saying it's right.
• 45:59
  Wrong. I think I prefer it with the
• 46:01
  adipose where they're inadvertently murdering a load
• 46:04
  of people when they turn into little fat creatures, you know?
• 46:06
  And so it's horrific what happens, but they're so cute you
• 46:09
  don't really mind. Whereas with the Meep, you're
• 46:12
  right, it's a bit obvious. I don't know.
• 46:18
  I just like it. I'm not saying I'm not saying
• 46:22
  it's, I just like it. Just like it.
• 46:27
  Well, that's right, you could like it.
• 46:31
  Oh, he does look like an evil motherfucker now though, don't
• 46:33
  he? Oh dear.
• 46:39
  You know what's very funny is they try and do scale in a
• 46:41
  minute. You know, when he tries to have
• 46:42
  all the lava coming out all over London and things like that.
• 46:45
  And that's the scale of this one.
• 46:48
  London is under threat again. That is my biggest issue with
• 46:52
  the episode, is the road knitting itself back together.
• 46:55
  But anyway, we'll get there, Mike Smith, we'll get there.
• 47:02
  Oh, I love the fact that Donna, you know, we're following on
• 47:05
  from the End of Time and she won all that money, didn't she, On
• 47:07
  the triple rollover scratch card or whatever.
• 47:10
  She had the lottery ticket and then she gave it all away but
• 47:13
  just bought the house. I think that's what I'd like to
• 47:16
  do. I wouldn't upkeep it all.
• 47:20
  Oh, you're a selfish cunt, that's why.
• 47:22
  But I'd give some of it to charity, you know?
• 47:24
  Yeah, but it's not really her, is it?
• 47:26
  It's like the Doctor, Donna. I'd give a little bit to film is
• 47:30
  fabulous and that's it. Maybe try and buy out Philip
• 47:38
  Morris's lockup and Wigan from him?
• 47:41
  There's some juicy stuff there, Dylan.
• 47:43
  You know, now I don't feel like Rose feels that bothered that
• 47:48
  she's just been in a life or death situation.
• 47:50
  She looks a bit bored by the affair.
• 47:52
  I mean, she's had a hard life. So you know, this is just.
• 47:56
  Again, it's got nothing to do us that's she this.
• 48:00
  Scene is all about Donna. Yeah.
• 48:04
  Yeah, it is. It is really odd because please
• 48:06
  go back and watch Rose Smith and Jones and Partners in Crime.
• 48:10
  Both stories are all about their companions.
• 48:12
  I know she's not a companion, but she's an end to this.
• 48:15
  But. Joe they're not.
• 48:17
  He's not setting off a series though, is it?
• 48:19
  It'd be so weird that. She's the one person that
• 48:23
  remains with the show. Yeah, and we are setting up a
• 48:27
  series here because we get mentions of the boss who
• 48:29
  obviously. Oh yeah, who was that again?
• 48:33
  It. Was bloody good that episode on
• 48:34
  it do. We have other mentions of the
• 48:38
  boss. I think the devil's caught it,
• 48:40
  didn't it? Maybe no Rogue mentions him.
• 48:44
  And of course, Anita. From Joy to the World.
• 48:47
  Oh God, Jesus, things did get worse.
• 48:50
  Yeah, she says it in the Reality War on the way out, says the
• 48:53
  boss says hello. He says, oh, that's one for the
• 48:57
  future. I try and think kindly on RTD 2
• 49:00
  and then people start naming episodes like you did there and
• 49:02
  I just can't be nice. Well I again I like it, but I
• 49:06
  remember watching season 1 in a day and Christ you come out of
• 49:10
  that hating everyone involved in it.
• 49:13
  Do you remember Rose Noble got 6 cherry pick efforts when Sutek
• 49:16
  was attacking? She was there with the iPad,
• 49:18
  just pushing but. Yes, and Morris, the 13 year old
• 49:22
  shooting, he's got his machine gun segue.
• 49:26
  And fucking blinks. Just hightails it out of there
• 49:28
  through the floor. The CG on the CG on this meep is
• 49:34
  atrocious. Why are we doing a fire attack
• 49:38
  without great fun with that? Right, the only one that likes
• 49:41
  the blinks. But I like you everyone,
• 49:45
  everyone can't stand. You you know, you know why
• 49:47
  people don't like the blinks? Because it's Nick Briggs.
• 49:49
  Otherwise nobody would give a shit.
• 49:51
  I can't believe they didn't put Sharon from Black Castle in
• 49:55
  this. No, you know, she should have
• 49:57
  made a cameo at least. It's that fucking Meep again, is
• 50:01
  it? Well, I can tell you how to deal
• 50:03
  with him. Do you remember that panel where
• 50:05
  she goes? I hate you.
• 50:07
  You're a bad Meep in the comic. Oh for God's sake, I hate all of
• 50:13
  this. I hate all of this with the
• 50:16
  wheelchair, with the bullets on it.
• 50:17
  And especially in the Reality War, where she leaves the
• 50:20
  flaming tracks behind. She's a member of a military
• 50:24
  organization. Just give her a fucking gun like
• 50:26
  everybody else. This is not how we do pro
• 50:29
  disability Doctor Who just make her competent.
• 50:34
  I mean, she's got. Rockets in the.
• 50:40
  Yeah, she's got fucking rockets. David Tennant knows how to jump
• 50:44
  into a hole. Pretty cool though.
• 50:46
  I'm getting exhausted. All this laughing, do you know
• 50:51
  it's, it's laughing for bad reasons.
• 50:53
  It's the trouble. Here we go.
• 50:56
  Donna is going to stay with the Doctor.
• 50:58
  Oh, I do like that scene where where she says I'm going to
• 51:02
  sacrifice myself for my daughter.
• 51:03
  That's nice. That's a very honest thing that
• 51:06
  a parent might do. Yeah.
• 51:08
  What's the weird sort of words that he says to her when he sort
• 51:12
  of unlocks? Oh, I really like.
• 51:13
  That, that, that's the code. I like that.
• 51:15
  I don't like all the bollocks that comes after it.
• 51:19
  So OK, we've we've got this spaceship.
• 51:21
  Look at this, look at this. It's so cheap.
• 51:24
  Look at it. The Doctor.
• 51:26
  Well, it is, and it there's not, there's no need for it.
• 51:29
  What purpose does that glass door serve apart from to stop,
• 51:34
  you know, to to? It's just an absolute
• 51:37
  ridiculous. Have you seen Battlefield when
• 51:39
  ice got beyond that glass? Door, we're not talking about
• 51:42
  that. But at this point it's just like
• 51:44
  how do I bring Donna back? And I also do think this
• 51:47
  cheapens. I don't think it's a big enough
• 51:49
  event to warrant bringing Donna back.
• 51:53
  I think the specials as a whole is a big enough event warrants.
• 51:56
  But, but I I don't think it should have happened here.
• 51:59
  I think she should have got it. Something should have happened
• 52:01
  in Wild Blue Yonder and made it more exciting.
• 52:03
  But I like the way Tennant climbs around this spaceship, by
• 52:05
  the way. No, I think I think that would
• 52:07
  have dragged it on too long. I think by the end of this
• 52:09
  episode you need to have them back together.
• 52:11
  It makes the end of the stolen Earth just feel like.
• 52:15
  Come on, I wouldn't lose the bit where she beats up those dollies
• 52:18
  in the giggle for anything. A little bit like it's always
• 52:22
  going to do that a little bit. But I think because there's 15
• 52:25
  years of of non doctor life like that, it's all right.
• 52:31
  So what is the purpose of the glass door?
• 52:34
  To start to keep them apart so that he has to, he's forced to
• 52:37
  bring it back. It's it's.
• 52:38
  It's not an explained part. Does one part of the ship get
• 52:41
  jettisoned or something and they stay safe behind the other part?
• 52:44
  No. Because if they could stay safe
• 52:46
  behind glass, the whole thing could be made of glass, wouldn't
• 52:48
  it? But this is what they did
• 52:49
  brilliantly in Series 4 is where you give them emotional
• 52:52
  material, where they show what they mean to each other.
• 52:55
  And this is what Tenant and Tate do is it's great stuff.
• 52:58
  I think the acting. Yes, effects of the ground
• 53:01
  splitting up looks great. As we said, it's shit that it
• 53:03
  just all magically sews back. Together at the end, but I do
• 53:05
  it. Yeah, but as you see, no, Dylan,
• 53:08
  I think it looks great. No, I think this looks terrible.
• 53:11
  Wow. Interesting.
• 53:13
  Look at this. It just looks like an added on
• 53:15
  effect. I know it is an added on effect
• 53:17
  but that fudge. Fudge at the window.
• 53:20
  Fudge at the window. Fudge at the.
• 53:22
  Window. Oh, I could murder some fudge
• 53:23
  right now. And I don't mean the child, all
• 53:25
  right? This bit here where the Doctor
• 53:31
  realises he's got to do it is lovely.
• 53:32
  It's. Yeah, it's beautiful.
• 53:34
  And then he starts reeling off those words that are obviously
• 53:37
  the code words to bring it back and.
• 53:39
  This is where you see how he's changed a bit as an actor.
• 53:42
  I think in this scene he he underplays some of it and it's
• 53:44
  more moving for it. He's got a thing.
• 53:48
  What's going on? Like two hours ago he was with
• 53:51
  Tegan and Ace. Every time that Catherine Tate,
• 53:54
  you see the stairs she's given him right now.
• 53:56
  She gave him that stare in every other episode in series 4.
• 53:59
  It always breaks my heart. Yeah.
• 54:03
  I mean, I think it's quite easy to throw around the like, these
• 54:07
  are amazing actors. These are amazing performances.
• 54:10
  These two are these two. Magic they are.
• 54:13
  Also for me this episode doesn't have anything else apart from
• 54:16
  these two and Sylvia. And I think when you see, you
• 54:19
  know. As it might be enough, you know.
• 54:22
  I like shitty guy or I like Millie Gibson, but you compare
• 54:25
  it to this and these are on another level.
• 54:28
  The joy of Wild Blue Yonder, and I keep going on about it, is
• 54:31
  that it's just the two of them, right?
• 54:33
  And you just get to see the two of them act for an hour.
• 54:36
  Yeah, and it's brilliant for that.
• 54:38
  I just I have problems with the execution of the episode.
• 54:41
  It's boring. A properly creeps me out in that
• 54:44
  David Tennant. Come on, just go and do it
• 54:49
  please. I need to save my boring
• 54:51
  daughter. When you realise what these
• 54:53
  these code words are doing, oh it's just great.
• 54:56
  What does it mean, Adente? It doesn't matter, it's just a
• 54:59
  code isn't. It fingerprint.
• 55:01
  It's a combination of words, like what, 3 words that you get
• 55:04
  to find a location that's unique that no one's ever going to say
• 55:07
  to her, but it's to unlock it. I can actually go with it, it
• 55:10
  reminds. Me of that passcode in the
• 55:12
  doctor's wife, you know what was it, Petacore, this, that and the
• 55:16
  other. In in Doctor Who Magazine.
• 55:18
  I mean Musty Doses was dropping these every every month in his
• 55:22
  column. Oh, was he?
• 55:24
  Yeah, we knew the code well in advance.
• 55:26
  Do you know, I think he did have good intentions going into this
• 55:29
  new era. It's not his fault that he hired
• 55:32
  an accident systematically ruined the.
• 55:34
  Entire show, Yeah, there's absolutely loads of problems
• 55:36
  with it, wasn't it? Yeah, I also just think he was
• 55:38
  the wrong choice, I think. He oh, look at this Dylan.
• 55:41
  That looks terrible that road collapse in there.
• 55:44
  I'll. Tell you what looks terrible?
• 55:45
  That fucking regeneration as well.
• 55:49
  I think I mean regeneration just haven't looked good for a long
• 55:53
  long time. Jodie on Turtle Door shooting
• 55:57
  out those rainbow beams. Fabulous, no?
• 56:00
  We're about to do this thing where they just talk a load of
• 56:03
  absolute generic sci-fi bollocks.
• 56:05
  That's the most unbelievable dialogue.
• 56:07
  I hate this. Yeah, it didn't quite Does the
• 56:10
  techno Babble well, doesn't he? He hasn't got Moffett's gift for
• 56:13
  techno. Like, this is about as
• 56:16
  embarrassing as Doctor. Moffett's gift.
• 56:19
  I've just said something nice about Steven Moffett.
• 56:21
  No, Moffett had that Douglas Adams way of making techno
• 56:24
  Babble really fun and witty. Whereas, you know, do you
• 56:27
  remember Chinese end all that stuff about the the typing and
• 56:31
  dabros going around the circles. He's doing it again here, and to
• 56:34
  me it sounds like a child's written it.
• 56:36
  It's like. Overstep the umbilical theme,
• 56:39
  vindicate the cyber Lion, and roast the hyperfit.
• 56:42
  You know, it really annoys me in Journey's End, but it's weird
• 56:44
  how it sounds so much better there.
• 56:47
  Well, channel up the booster drive, then.
• 56:49
  Luke, let's go. It's.
• 56:52
  Yeah. Maybe it's just because they're
• 56:56
  back. The Doctor and Donna are back.
• 56:58
  You know It's a triumphant moment.
• 57:01
  Yeah, do something better then, literally.
• 57:06
  What's up Joe? What's been the best?
• 57:08
  What the best 55 seconds of your life?
• 57:11
  Wow, when the Guardians of the Edge in the power of the Doctor.
• 57:19
  Oh, not a moment with your wife to be Jesus Christ.
• 57:23
  I see her all the time. Luke.
• 57:27
  Might have something to do with Edge as well.
• 57:33
  Mine was on the edge of her bed in a Doctor Who convention with
• 57:35
  Mark. Very good.
• 57:38
  Thank you. So mine involved pensioners,
• 57:41
  yours involved Mark. And I was just on my own, making
• 57:44
  sweet love to myself, watching the.
• 57:47
  Star beats. Oh dear.
• 57:53
  So she's not going to die. Hold on.
• 57:55
  But this this bit's still quite lovely.
• 57:59
  What should Peter Capaldi break out of that confession dial?
• 58:03
  That was probably the closest I felt to an orgasm without having
• 58:07
  an orgasm. That was a phenomenal moment.
• 58:10
  That's the closest I felt to narcolepsy, if I'm honest.
• 58:13
  Yeah. There's certain moments in
• 58:15
  Doctor Who that can just make you cub unassisted.
• 58:20
  The Ruston Warrior robot is one of them.
• 58:24
  He feels out that stocking. Oh dear.
• 58:28
  Do what you want. The ships not going anywhere.
• 58:30
  You were beaten. Oh, no.
• 58:32
  This is the bit where Rose comes in now, Dylan.
• 58:35
  God. Now, what is your big objection
• 58:37
  to all of this? We've been told in the press
• 58:41
  release, in the script that Rose is a woman, that she's a trans
• 58:44
  woman and at no point, as she said she's non binary, which is
• 58:49
  different to being trans. And the whole plot revolves
• 58:52
  around her being non binary. At which point her and her
• 58:55
  mother turned to a character that's previously a few hours
• 58:59
  ago been a woman and said that a male presenting Time Lord
• 59:02
  wouldn't understand. That is or.
• 59:05
  That line is very odd. I think the non binariness and
• 59:08
  the male presenting stuff to somebody who has just changed
• 59:10
  gender is really uncomfortable. Can't you be a non binary trans?
• 59:14
  Educate me here. You absolutely can, but there is
• 59:18
  nothing in this script or indeed the press that went around it
• 59:22
  that was like, we've got a young trans woman, which is a very
• 59:25
  positive bit of representation. I think it's very regressive to
• 59:28
  then accidentally describe them as non binary.
• 59:31
  They built the character up as non binary.
• 59:32
  At the start it would have been fine, but she is a she her as
• 59:37
  far as the script is concerned. What do you think?
• 59:39
  Is is championing things too far?
• 59:42
  No, I think it's. No, it's getting completely.
• 59:44
  Wrong. He doesn't understand what he's
• 59:46
  trying to say here. I don't think he understand.
• 59:47
  Surely Run Davis understands this stuff.
• 59:51
  I mean, you would think, but I think this is this is one of
• 59:54
  those episodes that in years to come or be a bit like talents of
• 59:58
  Wayne Chai Yang, where there's a whole generation of people that
• 1:00:00
  find it deeply problematic. And I think Russell, in trying
• 1:00:03
  to champion someone and do a positive thing, has actually
• 1:00:07
  made something that is quite transphobic.
• 1:00:09
  But if there's any trans people listening and disagree with me
• 1:00:12
  because fundamentally I agree that having the character there
• 1:00:16
  is a positive move. I don't think he's deliberately
• 1:00:19
  trying to be transphobic, I think his his intentions are
• 1:00:23
  honourable, even if he made a mistake.
• 1:00:25
  No. But that, that is true.
• 1:00:28
  But when you're trying to make those intentions and when you
• 1:00:32
  are being so militant about it in the press, which let's face
• 1:00:34
  it, Russell doesn't take any shit on these sorts of things,
• 1:00:37
  you need to be right. You need to get your shit
• 1:00:39
  together and you need to be right.
• 1:00:40
  And I just don't think it works. I do remember seeing the press
• 1:00:44
  after this and the the most negative thing was it wasn't
• 1:00:48
  actually that. It was the whole, just the whole
• 1:00:50
  trans thing, people really, you know, all the wrong people took
• 1:00:55
  against that representation in this.
• 1:00:57
  And that's really sad because the representation is important.
• 1:01:00
  It's just the conclusion that I feel is flawed.
• 1:01:04
  I think it's quite a funny moment though, like it does make
• 1:01:07
  me sort of smile with the binary, non binary thing.
• 1:01:10
  I think it's quite a funny call back and it does sort of like
• 1:01:16
  just sort of get around this impossible problem of of the
• 1:01:21
  plot. But again, it's a it's a cheap
• 1:01:23
  joke, isn't it? And one that's made at the
• 1:01:25
  expense of a trans. It's a, it's a cheap reference.
• 1:01:28
  I don't think it's made at the expense.
• 1:01:30
  I mean, I just I think I was confused on broadcast I think.
• 1:01:34
  The fact that all three of us have taken something different
• 1:01:36
  from this means it's not very clear.
• 1:01:39
  And I agree, the bit I didn't like a broadcast was the the
• 1:01:43
  attack of the doctor for absolutely.
• 1:01:45
  No. It comes out of no.
• 1:01:48
  I was a hot Northern laughs just yesterday.
• 1:01:51
  You know, we know everything and you know nothing.
• 1:01:58
  What a shame you're not a woman anymore.
• 1:01:59
  Yeah, I hate all of that. Yeah, I hate.
• 1:02:02
  Well, I mean, I hated it in Hell Bent as well.
• 1:02:04
  And that person regenerated into a woman and basically started
• 1:02:08
  slagging off all the men in the room.
• 1:02:10
  I'm like Moffett and. So basic, there's just nothing
• 1:02:14
  to it whatsoever. It's very GCSE drama, you know?
• 1:02:18
  The IT would never be that obvious, you know, No.
• 1:02:21
  He fucking was. He's the only one that doesn't
• 1:02:23
  do it. I think he's the only person
• 1:02:25
  that does politics well and Doctor Who.
• 1:02:27
  He just basically forgets the Doctor's a woman for most of the
• 1:02:30
  era. It doesn't, yeah.
• 1:02:32
  It just doesn't look at it. After all these years, I'm
• 1:02:38
  finally good. That's a good statement.
• 1:02:40
  I'm finally gay. That's.
• 1:02:42
  What? It's what the Star Beast is
• 1:02:43
  saying. It's saying Doctor Who it's
• 1:02:46
  back, but it's not, is it? Yeah.
• 1:02:49
  But to me, it felt like it was. And I'm sure to many other
• 1:02:53
  people that did feel like it was.
• 1:02:54
  But that's why you you don't like it and I do.
• 1:02:57
  I think more than the politicking, I just thought the
• 1:03:00
  energy and the what felt like spectacle of it, That's what it
• 1:03:04
  felt like. Oh, yeah, you know, we're, we're
• 1:03:06
  we're back. You know, we're sort of running
• 1:03:08
  again. Yeah.
• 1:03:09
  And I loved the Chibnu era, but it is a shift.
• 1:03:13
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you've got, you've got.
• 1:03:16
  It's Saturday night telly again that that, that's for certain.
• 1:03:18
  But shouldn't Doctor Who B Saturday night telly?
• 1:03:21
  No, it was on Wednesday when I was a kid.
• 1:03:25
  You're so old, Jesus. But you've got the Doctor
• 1:03:29
  getting his Davidson identity back.
• 1:03:31
  You've got Donna getting her identity back.
• 1:03:33
  You got Rose accepting her identity.
• 1:03:36
  She's already accepted she's she's transitioned.
• 1:03:40
  But no, I mean but now she's non binary dealers.
• 1:03:46
  This bit in a minute right now. I mean, I don't like this
• 1:03:49
  console room. It's far too big and empty.
• 1:03:52
  I I think they've gone for a spectacle and it's just like a
• 1:03:55
  bare room. It's very strange.
• 1:03:57
  And I find the bit where she throws the coffee so badly
• 1:04:01
  directed. It's so obvious, isn't it?
• 1:04:05
  It's. Great, I love her genius.
• 1:04:07
  Slapstick. The way it happens is so bad.
• 1:04:10
  Genius slapstick. And also, this is a TARDIS that
• 1:04:14
  could could have been flooded under the Thames, but Oh no, of
• 1:04:17
  course yeah, the thing that fucks it up is a cup of coffee
• 1:04:20
  and the way she fucking drops like.
• 1:04:22
  It's brand new you. Know what he's doing there?
• 1:04:25
  You could just see in the door and everyone's going oh, oh,
• 1:04:27
  let's see in, let's see in. Yeah, you could just see in the
• 1:04:29
  crack before you went in. I don't.
• 1:04:34
  No, I agree. Like it is too big.
• 1:04:37
  You know, it's too big after the episodes we've seen of it.
• 1:04:39
  But I absolutely loved it. He just gets to run around it.
• 1:04:42
  Yeah. The only thing that really
• 1:04:44
  worked for me was when him and Millie went off in the Devil's
• 1:04:46
  Cord, dancing away to get their costumes and then came back.
• 1:04:50
  That was the only use of that space that I thought was.
• 1:04:52
  That was the last time we've seen them together before Pirate
• 1:04:55
  Death, wasn't it? I think so.
• 1:04:57
  I like. I like when it's, I like what
• 1:05:00
  they so they brought the lights down now and I think it looks
• 1:05:02
  better. I like the use of colour that
• 1:05:03
  they do with it, but when it's actually white.
• 1:05:06
  And I always thought, oh we used to love the white console rooms
• 1:05:09
  but for some reason it doesn't work here.
• 1:05:10
  I mean when the lights got start sort of flickering like that, it
• 1:05:14
  just looks like a cheap gay disco.
• 1:05:16
  It looked. Yeah, it does, though it looks
• 1:05:18
  like a disco. It needs more.
• 1:05:21
  He just go. Oh God, that Capaldi one.
• 1:05:23
  It felt lived in. It felt so lived.
• 1:05:25
  In Do you remember that really Moody lighting at the end of
• 1:05:27
  Lucky Day in the confrontation at the time?
• 1:05:30
  Now that's how I wish it was. Well, that's like, yeah, like
• 1:05:32
  battlefield, isn't it? It's the two mentions tonight.
• 1:05:37
  No battlefield. But Moffett always said that
• 1:05:40
  line about he's not, you know, he's not a pilot that goes
• 1:05:43
  around the universe. It's a it's a man that lives in
• 1:05:45
  his time machine, not someone that uses when he lives in it.
• 1:05:47
  And was Capaldi. Capaldi is the is the one Doctor
• 1:05:51
  you feel like. Yeah, he lives in there.
• 1:05:53
  So are they sort of going off to get her adventure in again now
• 1:05:56
  forever, or is it just one trip she.
• 1:05:58
  Said one trip, didn't she? Yeah, there's a there's a few
• 1:06:02
  DWM comic strips that happen between here.
• 1:06:05
  I just hate all of this biscuit dispensers and mustard and
• 1:06:09
  tomato sauce and teas coming out of the console.
• 1:06:13
  I. Bet you liked it when there's
• 1:06:14
  acoustic cream though. No, no, even that was annoying.
• 1:06:19
  I like the ketchup and must. Yeah, I bet you do.
• 1:06:21
  They're. Supposed to just be going to see
• 1:06:22
  Wilf, aren't they? That's.
• 1:06:25
  That's the oh look, watch it now.
• 1:06:27
  Was your friends that took coffee.
• 1:06:29
  Look one last. Genius slapstick.
• 1:06:33
  Do you know what The thing is as well?
• 1:06:35
  There's not enough like pressy buttons or flashy bits on the
• 1:06:38
  console. Doesn't look like as much to
• 1:06:39
  press or. He looks great in that
• 1:06:42
  waistcoat. I love that look and look at
• 1:06:46
  that, that sort of great eye as well.
• 1:06:48
  He looks. He just gives off, Doctor
• 1:06:50
  doesn't. He, yeah, he does he like more
• 1:06:53
  so now I think, yes, there's a maturity to him now.
• 1:06:57
  I mean, you go and watch him in School Reunion, it looks like a
• 1:06:59
  bloody nipper, don't it? Well, I look forward to seeing
• 1:07:02
  him again in Christmas 20. 20 7 and at this.
• 1:07:07
  Rate on the bus 27 as well. David Tennant versus the Boss
• 1:07:11
  and the Homo Aqua. Oh look, even the line.
• 1:07:13
  What could possibly go wrong? Froze the coffee?
• 1:07:17
  Come on. Hilarious.
• 1:07:18
  Hello. Were you laughing when you first
• 1:07:21
  watched it? Yes, loving it.
• 1:07:23
  Oh no, it's all gone wrong. Oh God.
• 1:07:26
  Sylvia say going. Oh, no, no.
• 1:07:29
  And this materialization affair looks terrible as well.
• 1:07:31
  I don't know what they were thinking.
• 1:07:35
  Well, it wasn't made in a rush. This was it.
• 1:07:37
  That mean we gave it a bit of consideration.
• 1:07:39
  I mean this. The filmed it like 2 years
• 1:07:41
  before didn't he? And if anything, this Doctor Who
• 1:07:44
  story has had the most amount of prep and lead up time since
• 1:07:49
  Rose. Actually, it's only when you see
• 1:07:51
  that real physical fire there that you realise just how fake
• 1:07:54
  all the fires look so far in this episode.
• 1:07:58
  I can't be honest, I did feel like it came out longer than two
• 1:08:03
  years ago. Like what?
• 1:08:06
  Watching along. Two years.
• 1:08:07
  They felt older than 2023. Luke, did you know that there
• 1:08:11
  was a series of Doctor Who broadcast earlier this year?
• 1:08:15
  Yeah, it's nuts, isn't it? We've had this year is like the
• 1:08:18
  most doctor we've ever had, you know what?
• 1:08:21
  In like 10 years. It's because we've sort of all
• 1:08:23
  given up on it, that's why. Well, yeah, as Dylan sort of
• 1:08:26
  said, we got everybody like David Tennant back in, but not
• 1:08:30
  kids. And by now there's just a the
• 1:08:34
  people that seriously have no lives left.
• 1:08:36
  I've gotta slow you to do. You do you remember when the
• 1:08:39
  trailer came out and they did the three titles and just a
• 1:08:42
  couple of clips for all three of these specials, right yeah and
• 1:08:45
  my. Your right wasn't.
• 1:08:47
  It we were in London in that Doctor Who escape room.
• 1:08:50
  It's in one of those boom battle bars.
• 1:08:52
  And we were there and I couldn't hear it 'cause it was so fucking
• 1:08:55
  loud in there. And the trailer came on.
• 1:08:57
  I was just watching the pictures going oh, and then the titles
• 1:09:00
  were coming up and I was like, fuck the escape room.
• 1:09:02
  Oh my God. Like.
• 1:09:04
  Yeah, I mean, when the when the actual 60th trailer dropped and
• 1:09:08
  said it was in the helicopter and everything, it was like, Oh
• 1:09:11
  my God. We're doing Marvel, baby.
• 1:09:15
  Well, fellas, I mean, Dylan, this may be tricky for you, but
• 1:09:19
  we've got to do our free fabulous things to recommend the
• 1:09:22
  Star Beast to everybody. I feel like we should start with
• 1:09:25
  Luke, the most positive of all, then I'll go next.
• 1:09:27
  And then Dylan, you take up the rear.
• 1:09:32
  Sonic screwjaver force fields and and screens all the new
• 1:09:36
  Sonic screwdriver bits that we never see again.
• 1:09:40
  Absolutely great. Cool.
• 1:09:43
  I'd love any episode of Doctor Who that they were in.
• 1:09:46
  For me, it, my first one is going to be that whole sequence
• 1:09:51
  where the camera shoots down the road, over the cars flying, raft
• 1:09:56
  warriors flying, zooming into the bloody loft hatches as the
• 1:10:00
  Meeps crawling, all of that stuff.
• 1:10:02
  It's just that's, that's Russell.
• 1:10:04
  That's what Russell does really, really well.
• 1:10:06
  That's the the mad energy of Partners in Crime and Voyage of
• 1:10:10
  the Damned and all of that that's encapsulated there in
• 1:10:14
  those sort of two or three minutes.
• 1:10:18
  I mean, this is an obvious one, but it's the best thing about
• 1:10:21
  it, and it's David Tennant and Catherine Tate being back.
• 1:10:23
  You having both of them, Dylan. Yeah, I'm having both of them.
• 1:10:26
  I'm. I'm taking them both.
• 1:10:28
  And it's wonderful to have that duo back and to see the charisma
• 1:10:32
  and charm and warmth and care and love that's between them two
• 1:10:36
  and to, you know, just have an actor acting like the Doctor,
• 1:10:39
  which we won't see again after this trilogy.
• 1:10:43
  Luke. That joy you get when you first
• 1:10:49
  see a new TARDIS and it feels like you get the cherry on top
• 1:10:53
  because the Doctor actually runs around it like he's a big kid,
• 1:10:56
  which is exactly what you'd want to do.
• 1:10:59
  My second one is going to be the opening exposition sequence.
• 1:11:03
  Hear me out, Hear me out. Because finally we've got an
• 1:11:07
  exposition sequence worse than the Five minute PowerPoint in
• 1:11:11
  the Timeless Children that we can all point out. 5 minutes
• 1:11:13
  that. Is the worst in Doctor Who?
• 1:11:21
  The fact that the Wrath Warriors and Beat the Maple were put on
• 1:11:23
  television in the year of 2023. Nobody in their wildest dreams
• 1:11:28
  at any point in the show's history ever thought something
• 1:11:31
  like that would happen. And even though I don't like it,
• 1:11:33
  and I think it makes the show look a bit silly and a bit
• 1:11:36
  cheap, it's also fucking brilliant.
• 1:11:40
  Well, third, and most importantly, would be making
• 1:11:44
  Fudge actually likable. It is seen in A and a reaction
• 1:11:50
  shot. Go fudge.
• 1:11:53
  My last one is a really tiny thing, but I just love it.
• 1:11:56
  I didn't mention it in the episode, you know, during the
• 1:11:59
  sort of dismal climax where Rose is reaching conclusions about
• 1:12:03
  herself, it cuts back to her little workshop and you see all
• 1:12:07
  the toys of Carvin, Esther, the Ood.
• 1:12:10
  That's crap. I love them.
• 1:12:12
  I love this is. I want every single one of them.
• 1:12:16
  It does baffle me that they didn't market the MEAP.
• 1:12:18
  What happened there? There was no market for toys
• 1:12:21
  like that because the action figure market has just changed
• 1:12:24
  over the years as a collector's market.
• 1:12:27
  Oh, that's so sad. And kids aren't interested in
• 1:12:30
  Doctor Who or action figures. I mean, it was so rampant, the
• 1:12:34
  action figure market. We had Grandma Donnelly one time
• 1:12:37
  and destroyed Cassandra. I think of the choice we could
• 1:12:41
  have had and. This is.
• 1:12:42
  Interesting too. This isn't Doctor, just Doctor
• 1:12:46
  Who. It's largely across all things
• 1:12:47
  that like if you go into a toy shop now you will see action
• 1:12:51
  figures but there's just not as many as they used to be.
• 1:12:53
  And no, there was no market for a fluffy beat the me despite.
• 1:12:59
  Forbidden Planet doing now? It's all manga.
• 1:13:02
  Yeah, that's what's crazy at the moment.
• 1:13:03
  But that but Forbidden Planet is a specialist shop for a
• 1:13:07
  specialist audience. Can I just ask you both before
• 1:13:10
  Dylan chooses his third fabulous thing?
• 1:13:12
  You know what would be your like most obscure destroyed destroyed
• 1:13:15
  Cassandra style action figure for RTD 2?
• 1:13:19
  Oh oh, a great question. I don't know.
• 1:13:24
  Dylan's barely watched it. Actually I'm having a bit of
• 1:13:31
  trouble now. I mean.
• 1:13:34
  There'd be a Suitex dog, wouldn't there?
• 1:13:36
  You know, with the lead all all. Those memorable characters.
• 1:13:41
  You bitch. Oh, no.
• 1:13:43
  We have the kid in his scooter. What's his name?
• 1:13:46
  The unit guy. Bob Morris.
• 1:13:49
  You can ride him around in his scooter.
• 1:13:52
  The woman with the spoon with it with it.
• 1:13:54
  Like an actual spoon in the box as well.
• 1:13:56
  Like that? I only want a Shirley toy if it
• 1:14:00
  comes with real bazookas and flaming tracks.
• 1:14:06
  About all nine space babies, you know, like when they released,
• 1:14:09
  when they when they released the 25 cyber mats in a box.
• 1:14:13
  Yes, finally, a toy I can put in the microwave and blow up a load
• 1:14:18
  of kids. Marvellous.
• 1:14:19
  Well, Dylan, what's your last thing to recommend this
• 1:14:23
  treasurable episode? For the first 40 minutes, the
• 1:14:27
  representation of a trans woman of real life trans issues of
• 1:14:35
  I've forgotten the character's name, but Ruth Madeley isn't it
• 1:14:38
  and. Shirley.
• 1:14:39
  Shirley is a wheelchair user. Like I think it's really
• 1:14:43
  positive. I think it goes very skewer
• 1:14:45
  towards the end. But that that that first bit is
• 1:14:49
  what I was expecting from Rosa Duty Avis, where it's a little
• 1:14:51
  bit of a plot. There's a little some little
• 1:14:53
  mentions, but ultimately it's about people just playing their
• 1:14:57
  parts and trying to do it well. And then I think it just gives
• 1:15:01
  it the the understanding of the politics perhaps goes a little
• 1:15:05
  skew if. The politics in RTU swings in
• 1:15:09
  both directions, doesn't it? I think, I mean, I personally
• 1:15:12
  think the invisible racism angle in Don Bubble is genius.
• 1:15:18
  Like when do you figure out that these are microaggressions?
• 1:15:21
  But I also think the romance in is the most boring gay robots
• 1:15:26
  I've ever seen in my entire life.
• 1:15:28
  So like, sometimes they get it right and sometimes they get it
• 1:15:31
  really wrong. I prefer the other way around.
• 1:15:35
  Like I can't stand dumb bubble. I just think it's so and I think
• 1:15:39
  that's another one that I think is going to be a very
• 1:15:41
  cancellable in the future, but there we go.
• 1:15:45
  Oh. What a sad note to enter on.
• 1:15:48
  P as an action figure could get Doctor P.
• 1:15:52
  Who's doctor? Yeah, he's someone that tells
• 1:15:54
  you when you have a wee wee. It's not Doctor Screw.
• 1:15:57
  Don't worry, I'm. Not interested then.
• 1:15:59
  Yeah, I can't remember any characters from the second year,
• 1:16:03
  do you know? No, literally got Sasha 55.
• 1:16:08
  Yeah, that little thing that goes around hoovering up sperms,
• 1:16:11
  what's that called? What?
• 1:16:13
  Show is this. That's the profile revolution.
• 1:16:16
  It's. A sperm Hoover and grow.
• 1:16:18
  Not in the Rainbow Revolution. Well, fellows, since, you know,
• 1:16:21
  let's be honest, we've put off doing terror of the All in so
• 1:16:25
  long now. I don't think it's ever going to
• 1:16:27
  happen. So where are we going next?
• 1:16:31
  Are we going to do space babies? Please.
• 1:16:37
  I've been more up for Empire of Death to be honest.
• 1:16:40
  Oh, can we do both Legend of Ruby Sunday and Empire of Death
• 1:16:43
  A2 parter? Oh my God, I thought I'd watch
• 1:16:47
  those again. Dylan it.
• 1:16:49
  Wouldn't be the first time you and me have been dogging
• 1:16:51
  together. Are you up for it?
• 1:16:56
  I was born ready. The worst thing about it?
• 1:17:00
  I swore after that series I wouldn't watch it again.
• 1:17:03
  Then I watched it all again for a hamster that I didn't end up
• 1:17:06
  being on. And now I'm gonna have to sit
• 1:17:09
  through that fucking. Finale.
• 1:17:10
  Oh yeah, suppose we sorted on Hamster.
• 1:17:12
  Maybe we should do the robot revolution because we hate it.
• 1:17:15
  It would be amazing if Dylan somehow loves it.
• 1:17:19
  So yeah, I've it is one of the five episodes I've never seen.
• 1:17:23
  Well, Dylan, you've got a choice of three here.
• 1:17:25
  Free Gems, Space Babies, Empire of Death, or The Robot
• 1:17:28
  Revolution. Take your pick.
• 1:17:32
  Let's let's go for the robot revolution.
• 1:17:35
  I'm. Gonna watch it.
• 1:17:37
  I'm gonna watch it before the episode.
• 1:17:39
  But that is also one that I watched and was like, don't
• 1:17:42
  think I'm ever gonna watch that again.
• 1:17:43
  So it will give me a reason to to go back.
• 1:17:45
  Imagine if now it's over. I was just like robot
• 1:17:48
  revolutions, really. I doubt it very much.
• 1:17:54
  I think that. Woman that we're supposed to
• 1:17:56
  care about in that. Low 55.
• 1:17:59
  Asha 55 What the fuck was that all about?
• 1:18:02
  Jesus. Oh wait, now I think it was
• 1:18:04
  Belinda. Spoilers, Spoilers.
• 1:18:06
  Oh, sorry, yes. How do we end this in a sort of
• 1:18:09
  style Beastie sort of a way? I mean, maybe I should just
• 1:18:12
  swear lots and go. That was fucking shit.
• 1:18:15
  Oh, you've been quite restrained.
• 1:18:16
  Oh no, wait, Dylan, will you please actually just tell the
• 1:18:18
  hamster audience what we're actually genuinely all coming
• 1:18:22
  together for? On Too Hot for TV Next.
• 1:18:25
  Well, actually, it's a Christmas Day surprise.
• 1:18:28
  How is it? No, it's.
• 1:18:30
  Fine on Christmas Day, after the two Hopper TV advent calendar
• 1:18:34
  has been finished, because there's been probably by that
• 1:18:38
  point the most successful Doctor Who spin off of all time.
• 1:18:41
  The war between the land and the sea, where UNIT fight the Sea
• 1:18:45
  Devils. We're going to listen to UNIT
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  assembled where UNIT old and new members.
• 1:18:52
  Now put the stool down. Terry put it down.
• 1:18:55
  Terry and And what else are we doing?
• 1:18:59
  Luke Malloy. We're doing Doctor 10th
• 1:19:03
  Christmas surprise, the Mr. Men book.
• 1:19:06
  Yeah, how are those links? They're not.
• 1:19:09
  Wait and see, you're not. I'm guessing you've not seen the
• 1:19:13
  Homo akra in the Mr. Men book then?
• 1:19:15
  No. I haven't about as linked as
• 1:19:17
  Lust in space from flying into the moon.
• 1:19:19
  Hey, Dylan. Yeah, except longer.
• 1:19:24
  Well, fellas, thank you so much Dylan.
• 1:19:27
  I think we should say thank you especially to you for enduring
• 1:19:30
  this absolute nightmare one final time.
• 1:19:33
  I've got one more thing to say. Actually, it did make me go, oh,
• 1:19:37
  I do need to rewatch the rest of those specials as well, like
• 1:19:40
  because, because I did. I did enjoy Wild Blue Yonder and
• 1:19:43
  I did enjoy the giggle. I would like to do the giggle
• 1:19:46
  with you boys. I haven't done the commentary on
• 1:19:47
  the giggle. OK, well let's do a gatwa and
• 1:19:50
  then we'll do a giggle. OK, deal.
• 1:19:55
  Someone give us an outline please.
• 1:19:59
  Cheating with giraffes? Cut it there.