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Women are winning, men are losing, men to blame | Maintaining Frame 156 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here with Allison and this is a maintaining frame
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  Speaker 2: number one fifty six.
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  Speaker 1: Women are winning, men are losing, and men.
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  Speaker 3: Are to blame as always.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, what was that now?
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, feed the Badger dot com slash just the
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  Speaker 3: tip and I did want. I think if we have time,
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  Speaker 3: we'll try to go over some more cancer to do
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  Speaker 3: with the alt right and timpoole and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: So stay tuned for that.
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  Speaker 2: But for sure, are you talking about the video that
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  Speaker 2: you sent me? So we're not doing that one first?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 3: No, oh you want to do that one first?
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  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't matter to me. It doesn't mak for me.
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  Speaker 2: I just have I wasn't sure because you asked me.
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  Speaker 1: To go through it. So who suggests?
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  Speaker 2: Who suggested the tempoole video? By the way, it's a
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  Speaker 2: Xander Hall video, Okay, I'm just Xander Hall is a
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  Speaker 2: progressive bread tube guy that basically like makes response videos
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  Speaker 2: that are like, well, he's just your typical bread tuber,
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  Speaker 2: that's all. He basically like takes an hour to make
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  Speaker 2: one argument because that's what sophistry requires, so it just
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  Speaker 2: takes is why I don't actually really get bored of
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  Speaker 2: responding to feminists and leftists because they always do the
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  Speaker 2: same thing. They basically say, oh, I'm gonna make this argument.
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  Speaker 2: My goal is to just to land on so and
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  Speaker 2: so is racist, sexist, homophobic, whatever. But I can't make
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  Speaker 2: a clear there's no clear way to do that because
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  Speaker 2: they aren't. So what I'm gonna do is I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to you know, it's like drawing a long, long line
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  Speaker 2: in a giant spiral until you like of lingo and
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  Speaker 2: buzzwords and you know, mind reading and implication and projection,
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  Speaker 2: and then you finally land on and yeah, therefore he's
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  Speaker 2: a bad person. You should not talk to him. And
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  Speaker 2: so in Xander Haal, that's.
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  Speaker 1: What he does.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, he's like all these other guys. They basically
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  Speaker 2: look the same to me at this point. And I mean, look,
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine with responding to it, but all I'll say
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  Speaker 2: is this, I don't know. My only question, Richard Pierre,
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  Speaker 2: is what are we responding to? Because I know that
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  Speaker 2: this is not nothing in this is men's rights oriented.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing about it in there. Now you can, like
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  Speaker 2: you can probably like you know, suck the marrow out
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  Speaker 2: of the bones of that video and make an argument
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  Speaker 2: for men's rights, but it just seems like an exercise
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  Speaker 2: in that's just you know, kind of ridiculous. But if
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  Speaker 2: this is to essentially just sort of like you know,
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  Speaker 2: expose the way that progressives argue or like, yeah, expand
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  Speaker 2: what we talk about then yeah, I'm fine. Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm fine with talking about it. I'm just saying, Alison,
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  Speaker 2: if you haven't seen the video, you might be disappointed
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  Speaker 2: because it won't be about men, so you know.
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  Speaker 3: It's just about sophistry. Yes, but but Okay, what I've
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  Speaker 3: noticed watching all of these arguments is that, and this
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  Speaker 3: is one technique that they do. They will concede the
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  Speaker 3: point at the beginning, and I'm starting to get more
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  Speaker 3: and more of a sense of how this works. They
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  Speaker 3: basically say, yeah, you're completely right, your position is completely accurate. However,
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  Speaker 3: I am going to perform. I'm going to create an
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  Speaker 3: emotional performance to indicate why we don't have to care
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  Speaker 3: and why you are actually wrong. It's not because you
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  Speaker 3: are actually wrong, but I'm going to to mime you
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  Speaker 3: being wrong and that will make you wrong. So it's
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  Speaker 3: like it's a performing of an emotion. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 3: It's like, and I think this does actually reflect how
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  Speaker 3: politics have become feminine, and we were starting to see
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  Speaker 3: politicians simply selling an emotion and maybe that was something
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  Speaker 3: they did forever.
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  Speaker 1: I think ever since women were able to vote.
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  Speaker 2: I bet that that was a thing like, oh, now
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  Speaker 2: we can just completely reorient the way that we because
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  Speaker 2: like before, if you think about it, if you were
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  Speaker 2: a politician and you had to like get votes, you
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  Speaker 2: had to appeal to the things that concerned American vote
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  Speaker 2: in America, you had to you had to concern American voters.
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  Speaker 2: And if the America, the average American voter was a
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  Speaker 2: you know, a household, not not necessarily a man, but
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  Speaker 2: a household with you know, children and a wife and
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  Speaker 2: a man and kids and land and all that, well,
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  Speaker 2: then you had to make appeals to things that those
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  Speaker 2: people cared about. But when it became the case that
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  Speaker 2: women were able to vote, that made things the dynamic
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  Speaker 2: completely different because now it's like, oh wait, I can
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  Speaker 2: just appeal to what women want and then I'll get
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  Speaker 2: the vote.
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  Speaker 1: And then if over time you change the.
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  Speaker 2: Actual priorities of people, where before it was again it
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  Speaker 2: was people cared about land, they cared about defense, They've
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  Speaker 2: cared about their economy, they cared about their ability to
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  Speaker 2: procure resources, they cared about their ability to feed their family.
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  Speaker 2: They cared about what their children's education was going to
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  Speaker 2: be like, or what environment they're going to be living,
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  Speaker 2: they cared about crime, these things that made sense to
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  Speaker 2: normal people. But then you slowly move that away by
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  Speaker 2: like offering the government do more stuff for you. Whereas before,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you were like a you know, a
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  Speaker 2: family with that, you know, you had your land, you
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  Speaker 2: had your guns, whatever, maybe you didn't worry about security
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  Speaker 2: because everybody, like the community was pretty tight knit and
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  Speaker 2: everybody looked out for each other. And you know, the
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  Speaker 2: men and boys, they they essentially did most of what
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  Speaker 2: the government does today on their own, like the community
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  Speaker 2: did all that.
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  Speaker 1: But then you.
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  Speaker 2: Take that away, and then you basically make women feel
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  Speaker 2: afraid and insecure, and then you tell them, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: we can take care of all the stuff that men
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  Speaker 2: have done historically for you. Besides, why would you want
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  Speaker 2: men doing that? Aren't they oppressors. Don't you feel like
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  Speaker 2: you should be afraid of those men or they have
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  Speaker 2: too much power?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you should, Maybe you have the power.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you can be the one that takes the power
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  Speaker 2: from them, and we'll do your bidding.
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  Speaker 1: You just give us your.
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  Speaker 2: Votes and we'll take care of it, and so like
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  Speaker 2: like over time, I mean, that is an emotional appeal,
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  Speaker 2: and I do think that's what. That's what the landscape
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  Speaker 2: has been probably for one hundred years, and maybe it's
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  Speaker 2: just gotten more extreme over time, but I think so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well, here's the thing. During the first half
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  Speaker 3: of the twentieth century, actually probably the first three quarters,
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  Speaker 3: women actually voted conservative more than men. So I think
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  Speaker 3: what ended up happening is it's not just a kind
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  Speaker 3: of manipulation of women. I think it ended up also
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  Speaker 3: being a manipulation of men, and specifically, I think that
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  Speaker 3: men wanted to have somebody who wasn't equal in the relationship,
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  Speaker 3: which is why it was majority men who were interested
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  Speaker 3: in women having the vote, and then it was majority
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  Speaker 3: women who weren't. So it was never really a fight
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  Speaker 3: of men against women. And again, women initially voted conservative
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  Speaker 3: more than men. Men were actually much more progressive. But
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  Speaker 3: what I think happened is they discovered that well, first
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  Speaker 3: of all, single women are even more progressive than single men.
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  Speaker 3: They started to aim towards breaking down the family in
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  Speaker 3: order to gain that extremely progressive female vote. And it's
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  Speaker 3: a female vote that has no responsibilities or no sense
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  Speaker 3: of duty towards community or family, and that's what they
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  Speaker 3: were after. So they sort of cracked the nut destroyed
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  Speaker 3: the relationship between the sexes in order to create a
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  Speaker 3: gigantic voting block of single women who don't have to
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  Speaker 3: mature in certain ways because they don't have to. They
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  Speaker 3: don't have to learn to live with another human being,
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  Speaker 3: they don't have to learn to take care of small
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  Speaker 3: and vulnerable creatures. They usually have cats, and cats are
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  Speaker 3: not particularly vulnerable. In fact, they're agents and utter chaos
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  Speaker 3: and tremendous power. But anyway, to get back to my point,
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  Speaker 3: I think this is what we've seen in the last
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  Speaker 3: century is a progression of the destruction of almost like
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  Speaker 3: a mature feminine and like the women who said no, no,
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  Speaker 3: we don't need the vote, that's gonna that's actually destabilized
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  Speaker 3: society and it's not gonna be a good thing. So
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a little more complicated than it's just feminine.
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  Speaker 3: I think again, it's like this undifferentiated teenage feminine that
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  Speaker 3: we're dealing with. It's all emotions, all in the moment,
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  Speaker 3: all about and also very much about excluding people by
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  Speaker 3: calling them names, particularly behind their back. But that's that's
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  Speaker 3: what it seems to be, and I think that's where
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  Speaker 3: it relates to men's issues is that the general thrust
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  Speaker 3: towards not just removing masculinity men's masculinity in our society,
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  Speaker 3: but the expectation that women understand the consequences of the
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  Speaker 3: actions and you know, causality. Just getting rid of that
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  Speaker 3: has also had knock on effects of creating a real
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  Speaker 3: marketplace for this kind of sophistry, like we see in
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  Speaker 3: the Canadian election. Did the what did Carnie sell? He
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  Speaker 3: sold this idea he was going to punch the big
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  Speaker 3: misogynists bully in the nose, even though anybody who could
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  Speaker 3: who looked at it rationally said, hey, there's nothing he
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  Speaker 3: can do in this circumstance, right, he has to negotiate
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  Speaker 3: that Canada doesn't have leverage. We have to negotiate. We
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  Speaker 3: can't play a hard ball. But he sold this emotion
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  Speaker 3: to these older women, mostly boomer women, because gen X
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  Speaker 3: generally voted for Paulio. He sold this emotion that he
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  Speaker 3: was going to go punch the big misogynists bully in
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  Speaker 3: the nose. Meanwhile, what he's actually doing is conceding, and
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  Speaker 3: he at the very moment he said, no, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to go elbows up. I'm going to be like a
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  Speaker 3: hockey tough to to Trump at that very moment he
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  Speaker 3: was actually repealing the reciprocal tariffs and essentially conceding. He
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  Speaker 3: literally sold an emotion to people who should have known better,
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  Speaker 3: and they didn't because they don't think in terms of systems.
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  Speaker 3: They don't think in terms of logical consequences. They just
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  Speaker 3: think in terms of emotions in the moment. And that's
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  Speaker 3: not just feminine as infantile feminine. Okay, I just wanted
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  Speaker 3: to point that out. So I think that that's how
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  Speaker 3: this relates, like the Timpoole thing, that's how this relates
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  Speaker 3: to men's issues is the general loss of masculinity and
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  Speaker 3: that sense that masculinity brings of adult consequence or an
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  Speaker 3: interest in consequences to your actions and thus, you know,
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  Speaker 3: an understanding of systems and causality.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well we're going to be starting with
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  Speaker 2: asthmen gold then.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess have we just exhausted the other one?
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  Speaker 2: No, but I thought we were starting, so I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know what we were starting with, So I just had
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  Speaker 2: the tim Pool thing up. But you said at the
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  Speaker 2: top of the show, if there's time, we'll look at
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  Speaker 2: the Timpoole thing, which all just to me that we're
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  Speaker 2: doing the tempoole thing. We're only doing it if there's time,
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  Speaker 2: you see what I mean. So I'm backing up and
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna look at this. I guess we have the
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  Speaker 2: Asthma Gold responds to Tommy Lauren's appearance on the ingram
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  Speaker 2: Angle Ingram Been there's I mean, was there.
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  Speaker 3: Anything interesting that Asmund Gold said to this?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, isn't this.
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  Speaker 2: Like but I mean, this is the title of the video. Well, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I watched it. I watched it, and you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Asthma golds takes are decent, and what it tells me
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  Speaker 2: is that what we have been talking about for so long.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that we're the we're the pioneers, but
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like a lot of people are doing this
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  Speaker 2: conversation and they all have their own way of approaching it,
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  Speaker 2: but it's certainly getting into you know, the mainstream as
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  Speaker 2: far as the Internet goes, and Asthmen Gold is probably
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  Speaker 2: about he is, like I think he's like the biggest twitch.
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  Speaker 1: Streamer or the biggest streamer right now.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's completely organic to boot because for
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  Speaker 2: a long time, Hassan Piker was the biggest uh, streamer.
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  Speaker 2: If you guys know who hasn is or machines, dude,
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  Speaker 2: d Yeah, but that was Actro Turf. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 2: like the the definition of nepotism. Kank's nephew and Twitch
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  Speaker 2: propped him up and but Asmagol got there organically. And
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  Speaker 2: the truth is is that Asmagold's not he's politically just
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  Speaker 2: a normy. So that's even but that's even more encouraging
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  Speaker 2: because that means like he's not a guy that like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, does any like deep dives. He's not. He's
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  Speaker 2: not a pundit. He doesn't do debates, he doesn't. He's
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  Speaker 2: just a guy that just looks at the world and
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  Speaker 2: he sees what's happening and he shares his normy opinions,
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  Speaker 2: but it just so happens that they are you know,
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  Speaker 2: Like I can tell that he's like, on some level,
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  Speaker 2: maybe on the periphery, he's getting some of this kind
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  Speaker 2: of content and he's starting to question the orthodoxy that
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  Speaker 2: we've been living under, and I think that's really encouraged.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, he's like the he's like the temperature of
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  Speaker 3: more on the normy end of things. Even though I
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  Speaker 3: bet you reject being called that just like more on
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  Speaker 3: the a little bit more on the mainstream. He's the
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  Speaker 3: pulse of the every dude. Would that be a good
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  Speaker 3: way of putting it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he's definitely like the the what do you
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  Speaker 2: call it, He's what the zoomers like, the zoomer dudes watch,
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  Speaker 2: That's what I would guess.
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  Speaker 1: He's like the His audience is the zoomer men.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't, I don't know. The thing is, I
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  Speaker 2: don't watch a lot. I don't watch a lot of
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  Speaker 2: asthma goals, So I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really have time to watch streamers because I
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  Speaker 2: have to do streams myself. But I do catch his
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  Speaker 2: like the one minute shorts that clip out you know
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  Speaker 2: that I see once in a while if the topic
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  Speaker 2: is interesting to me, And yeah, I based on what
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  Speaker 2: little exposure I have, you know, he's basically the voice
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  Speaker 2: of the normy, the normy zoomer.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well that's good, Like so that these
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  Speaker 3: ideas are filtering to them. Yeah, maybe maybe they'll come
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  Speaker 3: across our stuff and realize that maybe the.
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  Speaker 1: Rabbit hole, Yeah if they want that.
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  Speaker 2: So but anyway, so his reaction to this interview is
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  Speaker 2: pretty good and again like we have to take this
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  Speaker 2: into context.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so this is a clip.
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  Speaker 2: It went viral because of the content, the emotional content
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  Speaker 2: of the clip with Tommy Lauren complaining about young men
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  Speaker 2: at Laura Ingram on Fox News.
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  Speaker 1: Truth is, Fox News doesn't, like.
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  Speaker 2: In terms of their viewership Fox News, CNN, ABCNBC, MSNBC, CBC, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: they don't even come close to the kind of exposure
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  Speaker 2: that people like asmen gold get. Streamers in general get
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  Speaker 2: way more views than the tele Nobody watches TV except
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  Speaker 2: for like, you know, boomers, like over seventy So they're
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  Speaker 2: the ones that are seeing this stuff, and it's important
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  Speaker 2: to take that account. So when Tommy Lauren or people
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  Speaker 2: on Fox News or whatever the website is and they like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they they I don't know, they defiantly and
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  Speaker 2: like righteously condemn like half the population of men for
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  Speaker 2: not stepping up or not whatever, it's kind of like
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of a pointless gesture. It's like, yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: like where the conversation really is happening, there's there's way
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  Speaker 2: more dissent and these people really they're just not really prepared.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, why would Laura Ingram the woman on the
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  Speaker 2: left there, she's making like millions of dollars a year
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  Speaker 2: to basically put out content that reaches like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, the the the the the living rooms
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  Speaker 2: of retirees and people in airports. So it's not like
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  Speaker 2: this is getting a lot of exposure, like unless you're
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  Speaker 2: at the you know, if you're at the at the
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  Speaker 2: at the medical clinic to get your you know, refill
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  Speaker 2: of diabetes medicine or whatever or you know whatever, it
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  Speaker 2: is like that, you're not you're not reaching that many people.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: But she gets paid really well, so she does it.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think it's what I'm Okay, what I'm
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  Speaker 2: ultimately getting at is, I don't like what these women
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  Speaker 2: have to say, but I don't think they're reaching that
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  Speaker 2: many people that at least not that matter, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Zoomer men.
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  Speaker 3: So we have on the one hand, these ladies from
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  Speaker 3: Fox and Tommy Lauren. I should have Tommy Lauren is
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  Speaker 3: also a lady at Fox, so that she used.
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  Speaker 2: To be on the Blaze, and I don't think she's
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  Speaker 2: I think she like I don't really know where she
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  Speaker 2: works now. I remember when she she used to be
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  Speaker 2: at the Blaze and then she had late lend Up
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  Speaker 2: leaving because she disagreed with Glenn Beck on abortion rights.
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  Speaker 2: She was more she was a pro choice woman. So
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: and and I guess he was like, well you can't
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: work here or something.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: So I know that they had a disagreement.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, but I'm hitting something back here. But my
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: point is, so we have the the airport Doctor's waiting
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: room geriatric opinion on the one hand, and then we
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: have the zoomer Man opinion Osmond Gold. So I'm getting
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: we got this sort of extremes here that we were
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: going to take a look at. Yes, yes, okay.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, so this go ahead.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Well, do you want to just do the the clip
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: that Tommy l Lauren did or shall we go into
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Osmond we can?
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Well, it's this is Osmond Gold responding to Tommy Laurence.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: So the other video is not Tommy Lauren. It's like
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: some different guys responding the other clip you sent me.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: That's like a panel discussion. Also, again it's Fox News.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I think they're not reaching They're reaching the same old
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: people audience.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: But let's let's listen.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: To this stay at home sons. So you got people
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: complaining about the neat uprising.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: That's one of this.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: They get mad about it.
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: It's a major problem.
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: And you know, Speaker Johnson has been talking about those
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: maybe deadbeat folks that are on medicaid, and maybe some
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: of those folks are the stay at home sons.
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: We don't know, but I'll tell you this.
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: Leave it to gen Z to rebrand laziness and social
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: awkwardness as something cutesy, like a stay at home son.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: They did much the same thing with quiet quitting, where.
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: You can go to work and do less, and if
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: you call.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: It quiet quitting, it's somehow better.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: That's right, Lauren?
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: All right, So did you want to say anything about
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: this before I explain why Tommy Lauren is completely a retard.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: The thing that came to mind, and I know that
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: I am a squirrel, so I don't know how useful
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: this is is the fact that when women are stay
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: at homes, and I'm not saying that people shouldn't create
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: whatever situation that they feel is best, they do like
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: half the work of men, half of the man who
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: is who's supporting them, and they also do half the
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: work of everybody else in society. So any other arrangement
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: of men working, women working men and women working, every
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: other arrangement sees women doing twice as much work as
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: being a stay at home So it's like, yeah, I mean,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: you're getting a pretty good I mean, women are getting
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: in general, a pretty good deal. And that's like one
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: of the major minority, like family situations. So when men
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: stay at home, they do even less work, but we
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: don't know because they don't tell us if that's because
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: they're retirees, because they have injuries, because they're unemployed, and
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: they're actually looking for work, you know. So it's not
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: it's not a comparable situation because when women stay at home,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: they usually it's it's a result of a choice, their choice,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: or a mutual choice, often just their choice. So it's
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: it's like it's you guys are getting a good deal there,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: and yet nobody ever mentions it. It's a really good deal.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: And the fact that there's some and I just noticed
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: that these women just really have a problem with the
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: idea that men might get the same kind of deal
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: somewhere ever, you know, and that's that's a that's it.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: I don't it feels a little hypocritical but then again,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: maybe Tommy Laurence thinks that all women should be career women.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: And well, I'll say this, it's funny when like that
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Tommy Lauren cares about things like Medicaid and like welfare
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: when she thinks men are taking advantage of it even
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: though women have been taking advantage of it for a
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: long time, and I guess I'm getting it. Yeah, I
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: think that men generally have a harder time getting government
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: funded support. Now, of course I'm against that, like in general,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: but I understand that some people have certain you know,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: they have circumstances outside of their control, they're disabled or whatever,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and I think that if there is, like if there's
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: gonna be government assistance that exists, it should go towards
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: the people who need it most, and also the people
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: who have that they're somewhat deserving, like veterans or something
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: like that. And that are you know, again, you go
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: to the Middle East to fighting some bullshit war for
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: a country you've never seen before, and you get a
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: limb blown off, and we should at least take care
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: of you when you come back.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: But she doesn't seem to be focused on that.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: She seems to, you know, her issue is that there
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: are men who are struggling to find work. And this
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: is the thing that I like that Asthma goal gets into,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: which is maybe the reason why men are not working
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: is because they can't find work, And maybe the reason
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: why they can't find work is because we are learning
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: that there have been all of these initiatives to essentially
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: put women first, put women first an education, give them
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: as many advantages as possible in their searching for their careers,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: giving them scholarships, giving them grants, giving them every possible advantage.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: And then when women go to college, like and they
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: get all of this assistance, and by the way, it's
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: this is all I'm putting yourself in the mind of
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: a college age girl who's going to college and knows
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: she gets all of this help, and she's not really
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: considering that the men who are her peers are not
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: getting the same assistance and they have to try, they
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: have to work extra hard to make it. But that's
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: not in your mind as a woman, because you're looking
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: at just your situation, which is fair. And then you
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: get out, you're in college and you're kind of like,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: you know you maybe you even know what you want
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: to do, like a lot of people go to college,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: don't know why they're going to college. But maybe you
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: even in your case, you know what you want to do,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: and you go to college, you get your degree, and
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: you come out and you find a job, and now
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: you're looking for a man, and none of the men
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: are living up because your standards are that much higher.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: So, and of course Tommy Lauren falls on, well, the
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: men should just because this is what I'm saying, Like,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Tommy Lauren is not conservative, she's a feminist.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: She is going to.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Say that men have that there is no excuse as
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: to why men might be struggling because they're men. Right, So,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: like there's like this you know, suggestion that they just
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: have power. But we should probably hear that out first before.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I I don't want to get ahead of myself, but
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I did watch this video, so I.
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: Got to tell you this is also a big problem
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: when it comes to I think declining birth rates. People
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: are getting married and having children, you know, that's a
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: big problem. They blame it on women. Well, look at
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: what young women have to choose from. The pickens are slim. Yes,
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: we might have a feminism problem in America, but.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: It's the feminization of men.
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: There are a lot of young women out there that
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: want to get married, they want to have kids, they
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: want to have stable families.
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: But there are a lot of young men out.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: There who will they don't have a stable job, and
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: mama's basement.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Is For the most part, the people who are employed
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: are not really feeling the effects. It's everybody who's trying
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: to enter the workplace because Ai has just cut off
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: the bottom rungs of the career ladder. Like Lauren cut
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: men a break. We just and she gives up. She
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: does the softest things. She recognizes reality. We have a
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: feminism problem, Yes, you do. Literally, you wanted to make
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: it so that men were hamstringed so women could get
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: ahead of them, and now they're ahead of them. And
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: then the women are upset that there are no men
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: who are better than them, at least not enough to
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: go around. I guess there's enough if everyone wants to share,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: like one man, like ten women want to share one man.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: But it's like, this is what we chose to do.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: This is what's so frustrating. It's like, as a society
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: we came together and said, hey, why don't we screw
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: up our sons? So that our daughters can have a
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: greater advantage and that's gonna level the playing field because
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: patriarchy somehow, And I actually think it's just because people
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: like to benefit women, period. It's just a bias that
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: we have. But regardless, we all decided to do this,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: We decided to openly do this. We even know now
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: that DEI initiatives pre eventially benefit white women of all people.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: And the justification for that is that white women never
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: benefited from being the wives and daughters and mothers and
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: sisters of wealthy white men in the past. No, they
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: didn't get any benefit from that. No, they were just
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: as oppressed as everyone else. And that's the excuse, right
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: when that's why white women have been the biggest beneficiaries
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: of DEI because they were Obviously other groups were oppressed,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: but they were not oppressed because there were women, and
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: we really care more about oppression when it happens to women, right,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: That's how our attitude is. So they ended up being
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: the biggest beneficiaries of that, and now on the other side,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: men are struggling because that was what we wanted to do. Like,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: this is what's so insane. That is the thing that
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: we wanted to do. We wanted to hamstring men and
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: boys in terms of education, in terms of career opportunities,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: in terms of recognition, and we wanted to do that
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: in order to elevate girls under the presumption there was
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: some kind of bias against them, which was never proven,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: by the way, And now we've done it. Who let's
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: step back and celebrate. No, we can't do that. Now
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: we have to point the finger at the very group
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: of people we disenfranchise to do this and say, why
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: aren't you stepping up? But here's the question. If men
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: had stepped up, if while we rolled out all of
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: this kneecapping, men had created bionic legs, what would we
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: have said. We would have said that men's bionic legs,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: allowing them to continue to run faster than women, is
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: what oppression of women. Therefore, we have to kneecap the
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: bionic legs, And we would have done this. For everything
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: that men did to overcome the obstacles they put in
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: their way, we would have called it bias against women
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: and attempted to destroy it. We are in a self
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: destructive spiral to hell, and the only way to stop
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: it is to stop blaming men. Because this is how
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: it started. We blame men for having privilege, which excused
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: all of the bias against them in law, policy, employment opportunities,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: in terms of education, and now we're blaming them for
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the results of our own campaign against them. Like, hmmm,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: it's so infuriating, Okay.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Yle that that's okay.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: It's a while that Tommy Lauren can acknowledge that they
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: have a feminism problem and then says we have a
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: feminine male problem and it's like acriminization of man problem.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Somehow those two things can't possibly be related. Yes, we
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: have a we the.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Problem that you are talking about with men is directly
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: related to the feminism. And now you're taking like a
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: generation of men who have been shit on and disenfranchised
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: and disadvantage systemically from the education system to their job
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: opportunities and everything, and you're complaining that they are struggling,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: that they're not working hard enough. It's yeah, it's insane.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: And she and I don't know if she doesn't see
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: the correlation because she's a moron, or if she does
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: but just doesn't think like that that it's irrelevant because
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: men should just be extra extra powerful, you know, just
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: level up guys, just like, you know, get into the
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: the fucking you know, gravitational chamber and do push ups
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: until you can overcome all of that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Just just do that, just level up.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: What happens. We call that oppression gravity chamber.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, crank up the gravity another one hundred times, all right, anyway,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: compete and then complain that they're not competing, and then.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Complain that they're not competing effectively. We'll just put up
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: the gravity until men can't compete and then complain they're
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: not competing effectively.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: But the thing, and the weird thing is is that
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: that men shouldn't be competing with women anyways. But then
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Tommy Laurence still frames it in that way where it's
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: like men are not like keeping up with women. It's like,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: but but that's not the issue is not that men
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: are unable to keep up. It's that women have because
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: we have essentially we've kind of constructed a delusion of
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: reality for women that is so safe and allows them
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: so much prosperity and so much advantage.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: You know, they can work in.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: A white collar job insteade of a cushy little cubicle
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: in an office somewhere, working for some faceless ceo to
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: make like, you know, enough money to afford a condo
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: maybe for a while. And all of that is like,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: you know, hinging on men keeping everything running, but they
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: can't see that. They're like in Plato's cave, they don't
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: or whatever. It's like a construct around them that keeps
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: it going. And meanwhile, AI is like right around the corner,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: are gonna take most of their jobs, which we've seen,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: and where the women are still they they don't even
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: want to know that. They just look at their phone
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: and they're like, man, none of these men are good
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: enough for me, like that, and that's what's happening.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Like I've seen a bunch of TikTok videos of women.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Talking about how how generally, like openly saying, how genuinely
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: unattractive men of their age range are for and how
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: much more attractive women are, and how they're fine with
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: being alone. Like they're like, women are doing this okay. Now,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: obviously they're gonna one day they're probably gonna be like
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: why did I do that? But right now, in the moment,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: everything seems fine. It's like, wow, none of these men
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: are really lived. They're not just they're just not measuring up.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on here, and it's well anyway,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm getting on a bit of a tangent. But
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: it's a complete it's a it's completely divorced from reality.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Like so, it's not just what was happening to men.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: It's the way in which we have deluded women into
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: seeing a reality that just doesn't exist and it's not sustainable,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: like their fantasy is going to collapse.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what we need is men who just tell it
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: like it is to women. No preppery, no bullshit, just
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: tell it like it is. And this is just not happening.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I was just like, you're three hundred pounds, you want
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: to partner lose one hundred and fifty, you know, just
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: tell it like it is. Right, we don't have that,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: like or we don't have enough of that. We don't
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: have enough men who have the gumption or the spine
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: to tell it like it is to women. We've got
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: too many men who are going to give them a
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: snow job and just pretend the world is something other
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: than what it is. And here's the thing. Men who
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: are like that, men who do not tell women like
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: it is, are not safe. That's that's the bottom line.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: They're after something right now. I mean not always. I
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: mean some people, some guys are just charming. Brian is
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: very charming. But some guys that you know, they use
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: this this creation of a of a feeling in a
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: moment in order to get something out of the woman
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: that they're doing it too, and that's very common. You know.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: The safest men are the guys who tell it like
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: it is, period, who.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Are on.
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: Okay, what what, have stable families.
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: But there are a lot of young men out there
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: who want to live in mama's basement and order door dash,
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: and therein lies a big part of the problem.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: No, no, that's not it, No, no way, So ignorant
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: gen z men get hn picked for twelve years by
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: most obnoxious and dumbage generation of women in human history
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: ge Dune in the labor market alongside robots and smallians,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: and now some die job TV bitch is calling them
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: lazy get fucked. He's completely fucking right, man, He's absolutely right.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: She'say to me. Yes.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: The thing is that a lot of guys nowadays have
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: a ton of disadvantages. And also I think that guys
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: can't get a good job like many guys are not
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: able to get a good job and support themselves, and
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: so why would they want to find a Like, how
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: could they find a girlfriend to get married if they
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: can't even fucking get a job.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: That's the thing.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: GenZ has to work ten times harder to get ten
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: times less. Yeah, exactly, And yeah, I don't know.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: And by the way, the quiet quitting thing, we covered
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: that on the show quiet quitting as a trend. Remember
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: it was a Manifestel video. It was women that were
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: quite quitting. It wasn't men can't afford to quiet quit.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. Like what this is actually evidenced by
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Tommy Lawrence statement. Okay, so let's say you're a guy
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: in your twenties and there's a girl in her twenties,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: and the both of them are struggling to find a job,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: and they're therefore they can't move out of the house
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: and they're both stuck at home. Which one is the
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: one that we see as a loser? The man, not
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: a woman. I remember I saw I had a friend
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: I used to work for it. I told the story before,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: but I'll try and keep it brief. When I worked
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: at the art supply store, which was like in the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: two thousand and eight period, my boss was married and
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: he and his wife lived in an apartment in the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: North side of Chicago. Pretty expensive to live there, but
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: he was making decent enough money to do that, and
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: they didn't have any kids. They both worked and they
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: both lived in this place and then turned out she
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: cheated on him and they got a divorce. And then
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: like it was so it was so sudden, he did
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: not see it coming. And you know, she cheated on
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: him and they got a divorce, and they both had
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: to move in with their respective parents because they couldn't
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: afford to like live on their own in the city.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: So he moved back to Michigan.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: She moved back to Michigan as well, I think, and
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: they were both living at home with their parents. And
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: they're both in their forties, okay rarely, and I remember
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: my boss was so ashamed, I mean, like he was
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: suicidal because he had to live at home with his parents.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: And I was like, well, how's your ex wife doing?
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, she's fine, because nobody has that.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: They all felt sympathy for her because she had to
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: like it was like, oh, you poor girl, Like oh,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: it was like it's it's we're gonna help you out.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Like she was on her feet and she was moving
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: in with another guy in no time. The dynamic is
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: such that if a man is for whatever reason, ends
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: up having to live with his parents, it's not the
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: same as when a woman has to live with hers.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it has to be the same,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: but we should at least understand that these are like,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: these are completely different dynamics. And it's easy for Tommy
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Lauren to say because any girl, and it doesn't like
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I think he calls her pretty, i think she's made
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: at best. But any woman can just find a man
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: and move in with him, like they All they have
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: to do is like essentially lower their stands on enough
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: and they can find a place to live, like they're like,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: there's a reason why the overwhelming majority of the homeless
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: are are men. Even and I'm not saying that homeless
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: women don't exist, but we tend to prioritize taking care
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: of them. You know, they'll find shelter first, they'll be
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: given shelter first. People will look out for them more so,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: like the idea that a and just the idea that
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: a woman who's at home with her parents as a
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: loser is just something we just don't have.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: This in this society. It just doesn't exist.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: But for men, it's like as soon as they turn eighteen,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: it's like, why are you still with your parents?
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: So that's another thing that I just wanted to put
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: out there. When Tommy Lauren talks about guys in their
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: basement ordering door dash, yeah, I mean's.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Like in the h during the Great Depression, families would
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: at this. I found this out by going to like
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: a developmental museum in one of the cities close to
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: my town, and I read a letter and the family
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: had actually and it was considered just unremarkable. They basically
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: turned out their fourteen year old boy because they couldn't
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: feed everyone. So they basically said, you know, you got
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: to go. You've got to make your way in the world.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: You're fourteen, now, go go find a job, Go find
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: someplace that'll feed you because we can't. And they kept
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: their daughters so they were on a farm. Families would
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: do this if they encountered hardship. Their sons would be
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: forced to leave early, basically leave young and go and
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: try to make their way in the world, and they
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: would keep their daughters. And you see this all around
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: the world. Most of the street kids around the world,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Our men are boys, sorry, boys who have been left
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: behind by their families because they couldn't feed all of
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: their children, so they chose their daughters and said, you know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: you got to make your way in the world now, son,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: And why would you expect that a couple generations after that,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: we wouldn't have the same attitudes towards boys. Now we're
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: rich enough that families can afford to keep their sons,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: But there's still that level of shame because in order
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: to be able to kick out your fourteen year old
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: boy to probably starve in a ditch somewhere, you really
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: have to be invented in his identity as a provider,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: and you have to believe that he owes the world
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: his provision, that he owes the world getting a job
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: and paying for himself, because otherwise, how do you handle
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: the guilt I mean, as a parent in like two
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: in nineteen thirtee oh five or yeah, how do you
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: handle the guilt that you kick Timmy out on his ear?
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: You know, maybe in a couple of weeks you'll go
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: past his corpse riding in a ditch. So how do
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: you handle the guilt. You handle it by saying, well,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Timmy's worth is his ability to provide for himself and others,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: and if he can't manage that, if he doesn't have
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: any And we still have that attitude, you know, under
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: the surface. It's sort of hidden by the fact that
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: we're very, very very wealthy. Even when we think we're poor,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: we're actually doing quite well in terms of our material goods.
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: And and families can now have the son in the
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: basement instead of kicking him into a ditch, you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: they can have him there. But of course the shaming
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: is still there. You know, you got him in your basement.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: But boy, you really hate the fuck her on some level,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: you know. And uh yeah, and that's that's where Tommy
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Lauren is coming from too.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: She She measures a man's worth by That's why she says, well,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I know we have a problem of failing birth rates,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: but look, the pickens are slim. She's basically saying, you know,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: hypergos hypergamas women is normal, and men should just try
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: to measure up to whatever their hypergamy is, which is
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: constantly changing thanks to girl math. But anyway, let's listen
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: to more this.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: The man the Legend. Actually, there's a comment the man
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: the Legend, I tell him to join the military. Yeah,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of homeless boys did that in the thirties,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: and the military actually was pretty disreputable for a while.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: It was something that was almost shameful to be part
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: of until we until after World War Two, and we
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: sort of, I don't want to say glorified, but we
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: gave them the recognition that they deserved for the service
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: that they do. And but yeah, they would they would
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: join the military, Yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Until about Vietnam, and then we hated him again.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, like I'm just my point is
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: that the only way you can let go or deal
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: with the guilt of treating your sons as expendable is
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: to regard their worth as entirely folded into their ability
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: to provide. You know. And while families today have enough
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: sentiment to I think take care of their sons, I
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: think they still have a real contempt for them, even
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: though we've all collectively decided that we just wanted to
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: recap our sons in order to let our daughters flourish.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: So you know, now and now the the we can't
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: stand looking at the waste that we've created in a
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: generation of and we want to blame them for it
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: so that we can deal with the guilt of doing
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: it to them. That's what I'm getting at. You blame
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: your sons for not becoming providers so you don't have
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: to deal with the guilt of what you did to
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: a generation of boys in order to elevate girls above them.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's move on.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Mural areas struggle the most, Yeah, I think so, and
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: also quiet quitting and all that stuff. The fact is
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: that the reason why a lot of guys don't feel
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: like they want to put in work to be part
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: of the workforce is because the workforce doesn't work for them.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: The country doesn't work for them. Like, if you're a
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: guy and you're seeing all these privileges and opportunities being
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: given to immigrants and to women and to people because
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: they're like gay or something like that, and you have
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: to sit there and look at all that, well, then
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: why the fuck would you want to contribute to society
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: that there's everything that they can to support everybody except you.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: That's the real reason why.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: That's yeah, Osmond, like and not just that. And I
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: got into it on Twitter. Did we did you? Okay,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go for it. I got into it
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: on Twitter with this. I was arguing with an individual
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: because I said, if society, if men's participation in society
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: doesn't give them a reasonable chance to become desirable to
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: the opposite sex, why would they do it? And I'm
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: not saying that they get like a state I don't know,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: assigned wife. I'm saying that their participation in the society
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: makes them more attractive to the opposite sex. And that's
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: not the case anymore now. It's just a baseline, you know.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: And I got this back, will you feel entitled to
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: women's bodies? And I said, well, do you think you're
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: entitled to men's work? Like, how if you're not entitled
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: to men's work? You got to consider their half of
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: what they get out of working for society and they
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: get money. But these are the same people who'd say
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: if if a person doesn't get a living wage, which
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: is irrelevant to the market forces that set the actual wage,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: then that's not fair. That's exploitation by the corporations, right.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: But if men don't get what they ultimately want, from working.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: That's not exploitation, Like, that's not an expectation. And then
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: then what they say is, well, men have to work
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: because they got to survive. I'm like, well, do you
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: also believe that survival threats of losing your life for
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: are a good reason to continue to compel them to work?
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: But it's even bigger than that, right, because men don't
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: just work in our society in order to continue to survive.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: They don't just work for effectively nothing just their survival, right,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: That's that's basically a slave situation. They work for a
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: society that's actively hamstringing their desirability the opposite sex. So
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: we're not even talking about a society that's neutral. It's
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: just like, wow, your your contribution. Your contribution to this
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: society won't make you more attractive to women, but it
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: won't make you less attractive to women because we're not
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: actively pursuing destroying your value proposition for women. They are
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: actually working for a society that is destroying their value
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: proposition for women. We have a society with a gigantic
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: ideological what do we call it industry? Yeah, it's basically
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: an industry, like a billion not nuturally and probably a billion,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: multiple billion dollar industry, feminism that specifically churns out articles
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: to tell women how undesirable men are. So men are
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: not just not just working to build a society that
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: they at least benefit from in terms of their survival,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: but don't actually make by participating in it doesn't actually
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: make them more attractive. They are actually keeping alive a
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: society that's invested in making them less attractive. Like this
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: is just absurd, And I know me saying that is
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: gonna maybe be demotivating. But on the other hand, if
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: you're a young man and you're thinking, what the hell
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: am I doing, You've got a point, en, Tommy, Lauren
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: is up her own ass, You have a serious point.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: You are working in a system that will hamstring your
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: participation in that system so that you can't actually climb
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: the ladder as well or even get a job as well,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: because they prefer women. And simultaneous to that, that society
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: will say that you just like you just showing up,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: just showing up to the table and being hey, I'm
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: a man, I could be your companion. I can make
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: your life a little bit easier. We could just enjoy
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: our lives, enjoy our hobbies have a safe place in
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: the storm from the chaos. Our society is torpedoing that
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: as well. So it's torpedoing men's efforts to become the
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: men that women find desirable. And it's also torpedoing men's
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: efforts to say, hey, our relationship with me would be good.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: You know you might benefit from it. We have companionship,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: you'd have a port in the storm, you'd have some
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: emotional security. And then our society is like, Nope, you
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: can't say that either. Not only can you not offer
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: a job, you can't offer yourself because yourself is shit.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: You just cause her emotional labor and more more work,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: and you just want her to be your bangmaid and
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: your mommy, and constantly, constantly, constantly grinding at any value
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: proposition that any man just gives to a relationship by
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: showing up right like this is our freaking stance. So yes,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: if you're a young man's looking at this and saying,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: what the ever living fuck you got, you are one right,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: You are recognizing something, and it may be depressing, but
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: the first step to unfucking the fuck ball is to
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: recognize it is a ball of fuck.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, isn't it amazing too that.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: We are celebrating essentially, what is women's materialism over men's
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: desire for legacy. What I mean is I think that
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: when it comes to like the reasons why we would work, okay,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: they're they're multiple, but there is a hierarchy. So like
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: let's put let's go with the most unrealistic, but the
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: most optimize or maybe like the most the highest calling,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: which is essentially I want to build out the garden,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: you know, in the world. I want to do something
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: great for its own sake and help people. That's that's
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: something that most people don't work for. So I'm not
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: saying like I'm not making this into something prescriptive. I'm
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: simply describing what would be the highest reason to do
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: work in the world. That would be, like I want
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: to make the world better, right, and I don't care
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: about the money or whatever. Then like below that, which
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: is where I think most men are at, is well,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I want a solid enough job that I'm able to
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: support a family because I want to find someone, marry
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: them and have children. And that's like the next one
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: down from that, and then you have women's reason. Now
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: why am I putting that one below? Because women don't
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: actually have to make money to find a man and
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: start a family. So women who are career oriented, like
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Tommy Lauren, they're doing that for who like what? Like Like,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: men don't care how much money women make. They don't
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: care about like how successful their business is. They probably should,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: but they don't. Like in general, men's don't think about
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: what women are. Like, a woman could just be a waitress,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: you know, in a cocktail bar, and they'll probably get
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: a date and you know, and he'll probably try to
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: take her out of that monotony and bring or into
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: like a life of somewhat you know, security or whatever.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: So it goes back to like a long running joke
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: a lot of comedians say, is that women want nice things.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Men want a woman, so men acquire nice things to
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: attract a woman. Women don't go into careers because they
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: want to start families. They go into careers because they
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: want the money, They want the financial security, they want
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: the comforts. What does what Tommy Lauren is married now,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: but when he wasn't married, he was working and doing what.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: She was going on trips, she was buying fancy clothes,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: she was getting a nice place to live. But it's
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: all material I'm not saying it's bad, but it is
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: like you're buying stuff in the world that is fleeting
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: and it just makes you happy in the moment. But
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: when men, when men do that, some of them may
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: be more materialistic, like you know, Andrew Tate or whatever,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: but most men can't do that. Most men are just
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: trying to like get by, find out, you know, maybe
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: get a home if they're able to and like get
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: get something that that shows hey, you know, I'm able
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: to support a family, and they're hoping to attract a
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: woman then then and then get that. But for whatever reason,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: even though I would argue that wanting to acquire resources
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: so you can support a family is a higher calling
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: than just getting resources for yourself, we celebrate the ladder
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: more than the and we kind of we kind of
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: shame the former because we're not supporting men getting that,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: like getting to that goal. In fact, we're discouraging that.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: But we are supporting women. So women's financial ambitions they
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: have a cap in terms of like where it goes
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: because men don't care about money, but women do care
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: about men's money. So the more money women make, the
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: more money they expect a man that entries are life
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: to make, it's got to be even more. Right, So,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: you know, guys, that one thing that I often see
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: when I see like, you know, like debates about money
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: and the economy and feminists too, like they make these
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: apex fallacy our guments.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's so many like CEOs that are men, so
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: many powerful and rich people that are men, but they're
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: not looking at like the men that are basically doing
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: the break backbreaking work that keeps everything else running, that
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: are like doing really humble positions like janitors and garbage
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: men and sanitation workers and construction workers, and the guys
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: who build the roads, the guys that maintain the power grid,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: the guys that you know, keep all the plumbing running,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: all of that, and those jobs, and those jobs don't
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: pay bad. But the thing is they're low status jobs,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: and modern women have been conditioned to see those as
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: beneath them while they work in jobs that are literally
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: dependent on those other jobs in order for them to
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: be sustained, like working in office buildings and like being
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: paralegals and working in cubicles and shit. And because women
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: look down on that, or they at least they're told
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: that they should, because they should be chasing like the
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Don Drapers of the world, they end up being dissatisfied,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: and so like, it's just it's kind of a mess.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: And the part of it is that we have we
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: have the priorities completely reversed. Like what we should be
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: doing is supporting men for whatever they do. First of all,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: we should be celebrating the people who do the hard
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: work of keeping everything running so that I can be
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: on the internet talking to you guys right now. You know,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: and I think that women have to recognize that as well.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: But I just I don't know. I just think it's
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: wild that we have inverted the priorities in terms of
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: what we see.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: You're right, because and we're inverting the priorities. We started
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: by talking about this whole thing with Temple and the
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: sophistry of basically conceding the point and then doing like
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: a little song and dance to create the emotion, Like
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: we don't have to care about the point or the
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: point is wrong, I'm going to do a promotional performance.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: So we see that in politics. Politics has become more
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: and more about emotional performance. And you're right, we celebrate
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: this kind of emotion in the moment for women, this
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: being able to grab what you want in the moment
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: as like some kind of empower, and then we sort
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: of minimize this idea of legacy and what you see
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: more with men wanting to build something greater, you know,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: and before like we try to find a sort of
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: a common ground so women would get, you know, there
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: what they wanted in the moment, and men would get
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: the legacy that they're after. But we're not doing that anymore.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: We're we're going to full hog to just eradicate whatever
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: men want from this system. And okay, so dj Lagibo says,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: men should stop being weak and bitching. If you're competent,
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: you'll get a tribe, trust me. If you're incompetent, be competent. Now,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: let's not really First of all, I'm not a man. No,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: you might not have noticed. But also that's not what
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: this is about. This is about honesty, right, This is
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: about being honest about the world. This world is not
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: being honest. It's not being honest about men. It's not
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: being honest about women. It's not being honest about the past.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: And because of that, it's creating unfair obstacles to men's achievement.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Because we just want to lie to ourselves. So why
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: is it that the lie like maintaining the lie? Why
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: is it for you, dj Lagibo? Why is maintaining the
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: lie so critical? Why do men, in your estimation have
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: to set aside their own interests to maintain the lie.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Why is the lie so sacred? Why can't we say
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: this is a lie, this is wrong, this isn't reality,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: this isn't the pressures that women put on men. Let's
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: recognize those pressures, and let's recognize that for the last
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: century we've destroyed men's abilities to live up to women's expectations.
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: We haven't just.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Done it with female only scholarships and employment opportunities. We've
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: done it by destroying men's networks. Right, that would be
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: good old boy men helping other men to build this
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: kind of legacy in the business world. We've destroyed all that.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: And yet maybe that was actually critical to a lot
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: of things, because what I've noticed lately is that the
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: business world is no longer working very well. So maybe
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: the fact that men create these kind of communal groups
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: around their businesses, around their career opportunities. Maybe the fact
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: that men help each other, so, for example, males men
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: in academia will share research with each other. Women don't
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: do that. Men share research with each other, right, They
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: will help each other out, They'll mentor each other in
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: a way that women don't do to other women. So
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: maybe letting that be and letting men pursue those things
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: was absolutely critical to our economy, and we decided to
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: screw that for a vision that actually is complete fiction.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: So here you go, DG. Labo. Why can't women stop bitching?
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Why is it always on men to stop bitching? Maybe
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: it's time for men to bitch and stop being silenced.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Jesus says what men help each other even in the collective.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: That sounds like socialism, not if it's voluntary.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: All right, Okay, I want to play more of the video.
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: Such a bad take. No, it doesn't.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: No, I'm telling you. You can tell me that guys
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: are selfish for thinking this. You can say anything that
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: you want about that. But what I'm saying here is
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: the way that a lot of people feel, whether you
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: like it or not. And that's the big difference I
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: think a lot of people don't understand is that, yes,
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: sure you might not want this to be the case,
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: but it in fact is the case. This is massively
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: the fucking case. This is lack of incentive. Yes, a
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: lot of guys nowadays meant gen z rebrands stay at
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: home suns, just like they did with Coriot quitting. Yeah,
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: a lot of people are unhappy. I can find us
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: how old is she is? She's thirty two, as she
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: does not have children. Yeah, obviously she doesn't have kids either.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Are two women with a combined age of ninety three
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: and no biological children between them? Sure have a lot
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: to say about the state of young men.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Mony Lauren is thirty two.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: We were talking about her ten years ago.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was twenty two. Yeah, she was young, all right.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Well was like a little bit less than ten years ago,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: but that's about right.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: She was like in her twenties when she got popular.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and that's again Laura Ingram and Tommy Lauren
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: don't have kids like Tommy Lawrence.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I think she's married or she's engaged or something.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: And it happens to be that her man is like
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: some kind of like former retired athlete, so you know,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: probably doing pretty fucking well financially, and so she's in
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: a position where she can criticize working class people that
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: are struggling. And the issue is is that it's not
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: that men are not getting off their butts and working,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: but it is number one, it's hard to find work.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Number two, you know, women kind of crap the economy
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: for like five years with their votes. And the worst
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: part is that the incentive is at the very least survival.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: But beyond that, I think that what motivates men to
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: actually be ambitious in their pursuit is to attract a woman,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: is to build a family. Like that's the point, because
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: the truth is is that a man could live, you know,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: a life without women for almost no money. Like he
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: could just build his own thing, or you know, work
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: like a minimum waste job, get a little bit of
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: a studio, and just like live his days out that way.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: And and of course they would call that quiet quitting
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: too because he's not trying to like find a woman.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: But if women are not going to be a part
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: of that solution, then I don't I can't blame men
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: for not wanting not wanting to bother with that, and
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: just like, well, I'm just gonna live my life on
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: my own because the thing is is that if a
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: guy said, well, I have a job, but it's only
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: you know, forty K, which is pretty fucking good, I
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: might say, But if he told a woman I make
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: forty K, she would say, well, that's not good enough
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: for me. Because if you look at what women's expectations are,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: they're completely uh, they're they're completely like, uh, irrational. And
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: I think that's based on again, they live in a
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: world where they don't really know what things cost because
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: they've never had to worry about it. Because like, you know,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: like even if they make decent money, they're just like
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: going on trips and they're like you know, maxing out
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: their credit cards and like they're you know, like they're
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: they're just living their life, their best life with their girlfriends.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: A lot of time debt, Yeah, with lots and lots
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: of debt.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know, so anyway, go ahead, Well.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: What I was going to say to that, to take
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: off on your point if women want men to earn
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: twice as much as they do, and statistically it seems
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: like they do, in order to pair up with them,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: we're going to need another earth in order to manufacture
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: the resources for that much material goods, because you know, money,
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: the reason why you have money is to buy stuff. Right,
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: So if women, if men suddenly tomorrow gain twice the
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: ability to buy stuff, we're gonna need more stuff. So
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: if if these women want that, fine, but don't talk
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: to me about climate change or environmental degradation. Because every
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: zero you put on the income of the man that
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: you desire is another bunch of dead wildlife, more pollution,
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: more pre trash. So the best way you want to
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: do net zero, ladies, start chopping zeros off your expectation
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: of your partner's income. Then we'll talk. That's a that's
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: a real net zero move, right if you if you're
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: if you're a woman, you think I want a man
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: with six figures, Nope, decide that you're going to go
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: for a man with five figures, and you will have
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: significantly reduced your carbon footprint, your potential carbon footprint. There
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: you go. That's the way you fight climate change and
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: environmental degradation right in your right, right right at home.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Control your expectations. Okay, I just wanted to point that
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: out because it's like, fine. Something that people don't think
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: about is that when women have these huge expectations of
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: men's income, what they're asking for is more resources, and
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: where do the resources come from an already strained environment.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Stop it, ladies, stop shitting on the earth, on Mother Earth.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm playing the video.
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: And by the way, this guy right here.
• 58:05
  Speaker 9: The gentleman in the glasses that hates women, I want
• 58:07
  Speaker 9: to know if you ever had a date.
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: I tell if he's ever been with anybody.
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: I don't hate women.
• 58:13
  Speaker 8: Now, I'm sure you have multiple, multiple pairs of hands
• 58:16
  Speaker 8: and help.
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: I remember.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: They always have one of these guys every freaking generation,
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: like every Master. Masterson was the last one, and then
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: the one before him was I think he was also
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: called Tucker, but he's not Tucker from from Fox. He
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: was another Tucker. Like I've been. I've been watching this
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: for decades, and every few years there's a new hotness
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: and in like the the the misogynists that they bring
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: up and they trot around. It's like it's it's like,
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: I don't I swear to god. The mainstream media has
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: their little stable of then they groom these guys to
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: have similar looks and then they're like, yeah, you're you're
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: gonna take the stage and you're going to be the
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: official misogyny for the era for the next five years,
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: and we're going to trot you around and you're going
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: to represent men and you're gonna basically be a fucking clown.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: But maybe maybe Dick had something interesting.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Oh this is a great this.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a classic clip.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: But let's listen.
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: But you chose these because they were your favorite.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Let me go.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: He's he's saying that you have a lot of blouses
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: and pants at home, but you chose these because they're
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: your favorite. Just sitting in the context then the others.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: That doesn't mean you hate the ones you didn't wear.
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: I don't hate women. They have to do with having
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: a date. Men are better than women. Yes, that's the
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: right question.
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: Stupid glasses off.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: Just how you look women line up?
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: Oh they guys, and you've had them all.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: On your show. She looks like a throwback.
• 59:43
  Speaker 10: I don't see any women line up to you, and
• 59:45
  Speaker 10: I would definitely be at the end of that line.
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: Did you hear the treadmill a little more?
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: You'd be at the front. Look at her stun locked.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: But this is an old clip. This is completely like
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: a separate thing. Isn't it weird that she said I
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: beat the end of that line. It's like, so you'd
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: be in the line, then you be in the line.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: You just that's a self report, dude, Yeah, completely unlocked.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: And also again like look, I'm sorry, don't judge a
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: book by its cover and all of that, but lady,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: you just this is what these daytime talk shows. Yeah, no,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: that's what they do on these They get, They just get,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: you know, they bring on this guy. He's putting on
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: a show. He's you know, coming across. I guess he's
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: trying to he's putting out like the social the.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Not socialists, the schouvinist vibes.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: But I think he was just I don't even know
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: what the context of the show is, but I doubt
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: that he was deserving of this kind of hostility. But
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: this is the thing. When a man says I have standards,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: women get. They just get their panties in a twist
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: like men are just not allowed to have standards. And
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: this woman, who I'm sorry, not exactly a knockout, she like,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna dunk on him, I'm gonna put him in
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: his place, and she gets up to do that, and
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: then she got a little bit humbled, which is how
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: it should be. But even then though, everyone stands with her.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: So this still let me play the rest of the clip.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: I'll go back a teeny bit so you guys can
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: see it is.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 11: That I didn't hear you because I'm sure it was
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 11: something stupid and I didn't hear you.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you it was dumb. Yeah, that's it. I'm glad
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: you did neither.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: You.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: There are these guys with a woman who can actually
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: hold her own like that would be fucking musing, that'd
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: be like a classic fifties screwball comedy. But no, they
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: just Okay, what I mean by that, they just trot
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: these guys. They always have one who who who plays
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: this role and yeah, he gets some zingers in, he
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: gets to show women for what they are, but then
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: nothing really changes.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Well that's the thing about these online debates and these
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: like talk show things. It just comes down to, you know,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: what's the next SoundBite, what's the next you know clip
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: that I'm gonna take that we're all just gonna laugh
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: at and and maybe that has some like long term effects,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: but ultimately it doesn't really add much to the conversation.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: But I think that like if you're going like if
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: you're going on.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: The doctor Phil or Oprah or something. It's basically like
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Jerry Springer or Maury Povid. You're like, well, I guess
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna try to get a zinger in so
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: people remember me and maybe, you know, we'll like be
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: able to have like a serious conversation at some other point,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: because I don't think that's the thing about legacy is
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: that nobody wants it anymore because they do want something authentic.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: They want people like actually talking about things and not
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: doing these little soundlites what like, yeah, I guess, so, yeah,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: I guess. So technically, Okay, do you remember.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: That one interview with Cassie j and Warren Ferrell and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: that that moment. Okay, so Cassie j is is a
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: woman who did a documentary, a really nice documentary on
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: men's issues, and then Warren Ferrell is like the mister
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: Rogers of men's issues. And they went on because they're
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: sort of friends, and they went on on this vegas.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: I don't remember what channel it was. Doctor Phil was
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: doctor doctor Phil Phil, so it is very relevant and
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: he realized You could see the moment that Warren Ferrell
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: realized that doctor Phil was the ring master of the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: clown show. And he's just like, Okay, I'm I'm gonna
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: just I'm gonna just say as much as I can
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: before he turns my microphone off.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: You remember that, So he just did well.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: They brought in, they tried to bring in, like what
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: they were claiming was an actual misogynist, and they had
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: him sitting on the team with Kasey j and Warren
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Ferrell and they ended up talking about like did they
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: end up talking about like in cell violence or something,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: and you're making these people that were trying to talk
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: about something serious answer for something ridiculous.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, but it was.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, essentially, they put it, like I was talking about this.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: They they create these clowns, they put them in a
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: serious discussion, and then they make it about the bullshit.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: They make it about the spectacle, you know, they make
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: it about the Zingers, right, instead of actually about the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: issues that and Warren Ferrell wanted to talk about. And again,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: it's like the emotion in the moment, it's like creating
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: a farce. It's the great comical fart that we're all
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: just the carousel of farts.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, anyway, let's keep going bro.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: I remember whatever this shit happened, it was so fucking funny.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, she'd be in line, yeah exactly. Yeah,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: but she'd still be in line. That's a good point.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: I didn't even think about that. And so anyway, there's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: a lot of women that get mad about guys not
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: wanting to do anything. But the reason why a lot
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: of guys don't want to do anything and they want
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: to sit home all day and jerk off to anime
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: is because they don't have any other options.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: That's the reason why.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: And also, here's the other thing, is that if you're
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: a smart guy, you can get ahead. But most guys
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: aren't smart. That's just the way the math is. And
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: so you got a bunch of a bunch of guys
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: out there that there's no way. Like back in the day,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: if you were a bit of a dumb ass, but
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: you could do the right thing, you could go and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: get a decent job working at factory somewhere, and you
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: can make a good amount of money.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Right, that's obviously the case.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: But nowadays you're not able to do that as much anymore.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: You don't have the opportunity to do that anymore. And
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: because of that, now things are a lot worse. And
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: if you're one of these guys, you can't make any
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: fucking money, you don't have any account, you don't have
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: any self respect, you don't have people that like you.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: There's nobody in society that gives a fuck about you.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: There's no labor jobs exactly, no, there's not. And so
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: that's the big issue. That's the reason why guys have
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: these issues. And you can have these girls get mad
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: about it all the time, but a lot of the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: reasons why guys don't get married and have kids is
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: because they don't have money to do it. They don't
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: have the about the resources to do it.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: That's and again, the simplest thing.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: If you want to save the earth, ladies, reduce how
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: much income you expect from your partner, which is going
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: to reduce how much you exploit the earth. We can't
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: afford right now, if every woman, if every man had
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: the funds to be able to marry the average woman,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: we couldn't. We couldn't afford it because it would probably
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: break the earth's carrying capacity. Like this is the thing.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: We are at a point where women are demanding so
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: much resources from men just to get married that we
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: would need another five earths to pay the bill. Like
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: if we were able to fix this issue of pair bonding, right,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: if we could just may haven magic wand and say, okay,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: all men are able to provide what women want. We
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: would descend into environmental devastation in order to pay the
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: bill that women are asking because they're not just asking
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: it of men, they're asking it of the earth and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: future generations. Like this is this is completely unsustainable, And
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: I don't like men literally cannot give women what they
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: want right now because if they did, we'd all be dead, right,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: That's how insane it is. That's how ridiculous women's expectations are.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: And your expectations are ridiculous. If it's going to require
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: another two earths to fulfill them, ladies, they're too.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: High, all right, Yep, yep, I'm good. I just wanted
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: to say, well, it's fine.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately he's saying what I said. You know,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: most people were where we we are, or too many
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: people are too fixated on the what the people at
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: the top do and not looking at what the regular
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: person does, and like what what you know, how noble
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: a job it is to work in a it's a
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: perfectly noble job to be in a factory, to do construction,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: to work on roads, to be a farm or whatever.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't seem glamorous, it doesn't seem high status.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: And women seem to desire something that you know, raises
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: their status. Like they it's like we live in a
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: world of plebs that think they're aristocrats in women, and
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: they're like, I want the aristocratic life. I want, you know,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: I want like you know, high speed internet, I want
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: at Central Air, I want you know whatever, right, and
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: and men are just they're they're just like trying to
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: work with what they have.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: And it's like, as Macgold.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Said, that's why, that's what why I think this is
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: actually really cool because he is just a normal guy.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: He doesn't do this as a job.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: He doesn't talk about this particular, but he is starting
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: to see that there's a lot of regular men that
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: are that the reason. It's not even that they can't
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: support themselves, because they probably they certainly can, because they
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: wouldn't ask much of themselves, you know, like men could
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: live on very little, but they know that women are
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: asking for a lot more and children are even more so,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: like you know, it's and but the opportunities are not there.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so nova Fan says in this in the no,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: Professor Oak says feminism caused consumerism, yes, one of the Well, actually,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: feminism might be a emergent property of consumerism, but I
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: think it's there's a there's a there's a sort of
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: a negative spiral going on there.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: If there's a relationship between cause and female nature, yeah, yeah,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: there is.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: But the thing is the female like consumerism. In the past,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: women created a lot of the things that they consumed. Right,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: you know what did Penelope do when she was waiting
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: for Odysseus? Was Penelope?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: She was weaving cloths. She's I think weaving her bridle gown,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: the cloth of a bridal gown. So I mean they
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: were creating things women in the past. So women today
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: are sort of like women without anything practical that they make,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: which has really screwed them up mentally. But yes, consumerism
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: is like feminism inspires consumerism. And I have an anecdote
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: to sort of explain how so. Jonathan and I have done,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: like a lot of Jonathans, my husband, we've done traveling
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: and there was this one particular airport that we went
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: through and it had. I think it was like it
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: was Mexican and it had even worse than American security.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: So we had to strip off our shirts or not
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: our shirts. We had to strip off our jackets, we
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: had to take our foot belts, we had to take
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: off our shoes, we had to open up all our
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: carry on and take unpack our carry on, and they
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: look through everything, and then they did a pat down
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: and all of that, like the whole nine yards, and
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: you could see everybody going through this like just cattle,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: and you know what it was in Mexico, it was
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: just some place with really high security. And then going
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: through this incredible experience of just losing absolute control and
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: having someone feeling like your life is completely outside of
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: your control. And everybody was going through that, and it
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: feels like you're like cattle basically, and you're discombobulated and
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: you're confused. And then after that experience, I remember, we
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: got channeled funneled into what I could only describe as
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: a consumerist paradise. There were these like these beautiful goods
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: just piled up and these lovely kind of columns, and
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: you know, you had chocolates, you had leather purses, you
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: had electronics, and it was all just brilliantly lit. So
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: it's like, you walk into this, this showcase after this
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: experience of losing all of your autonomy, all of your privacy,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: all of your control over your life. And I could
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: see the people that walked through this with me. I
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: could see them gravitating towards these goods to buy, and
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: the reason why they were doing that was because it
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: re established control over their lives. Like that's that's a
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: big part of consumerism. You take away people's sense of
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: control and then you sell it back to them in
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: the form of some pre trash that they're probably going
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: to enjoy for five minutes and then you know it's
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: gonna be lost somewhere, it's going to break, you know,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: But it gives them in that moment, it makes them
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: feel like they have control over their lives. To be
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: able to consume something, be able to buy something. That's
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: what we've done to women. Like in every conceivable circumstance,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: feminism says, what to women, you have no control over
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: your life. It's all men. Men are the ones who
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: control everything. They control your horizontal, they control your vertical,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: They control your thoughts, they control your actions. They control
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: your dess. You know, if you had Weeda bex in
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: the morning, it was actually patriarchy that made you do that.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: Every single aspect of your life as a woman is
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: controlled by men. You have no privacy, no self, But
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: you can buy stuff. You can buy a lot of stuff,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: and in the moment of buying stuff, you'll feel like
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: you have control. And that is that's empowerment. Is it fascinating?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: Isn't it? All right?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: All right, let's play some more.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: A big issue.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: They don't understand responsibility without authority as slavery.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. Young women want families.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: I mean I've said that for years, right, like that
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: men are responsible for women, but they have no authority
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: over women. This is what feminism is created in terms
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: of the dynamic.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: And we've all accepted this. We've accepted this for decades.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: And so what does it mean?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Well, ultimately, if you have if you're completely responsible for
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: something but you have no authority over it, then you're
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: basically a slave.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: Do right, I'm glad I don't pay for TV. Yeah,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: it's really sad, man, it really is. And GO has
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: no pictures of our husband as well. Yeah, no, And
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: I see this like there's women that complain about guys
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: that are like losers and neats all the time. But
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: the fact is that the reason why is because society
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: has been designed to be at the disadvantage to being
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: a man. That's the reason why is that you are
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: a disadvantaged being a man.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: In society for structural reasons.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: There are hiring initiatives, scholarship opportunities, school preferences, internship preferences
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: that are offered for women exclusively and not for men.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: So how can you blame men for not wanting to
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: play a game.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: That's rigged against them? Straight up?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's worse than that. Why would men participate
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: in a system that actively degrades their value proposition to
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: the opposite sex, Like, listen, I mean, it's one thing
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: again to work for a system because you know, you
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: want to keep the lights on for yourself, you want
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: to keep the sewer for yourself and all this other stuff.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: But we not only have men by the balls because
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: of that, we also say, well, we're gonna we're going
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: to just grind yourself worth away, right, find a way
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: the idea of what you offer women as a man,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: We're just gonna we're gonna shit all over that, and
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have to participate in it.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: Can we just stop that?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: Yes? Straight up?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: The world's up.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: The ny is raising more, Yeah, exactly, and no one
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: cares that much for men. Yes, And there's a direct
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: correlation between inflation and birth rates.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: They have an oposite relationship.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not sure, I like, I mean, there's many reasons,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: right one. I'm not saying it's one thing. It's like
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: ten different things. So, yeah, I think if you're attractive,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: generally you have a better life. Yeah, No, you're right
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: about that. And so and that's another thing too, is
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: that it's a it's very easy for a pretty girl
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: to say that guys need to just get out their
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: ass and work hard and they're gonna find a boyfriend
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: or a girlfriend, because yeah, of course this is the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: case for you because you're an attractive girl. But for
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: a lot of guys, that's not their experience, that's not
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: what happens with them. And so the problem is that
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: a lot of guys don't have the ability to go
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: out and get a girlfriend. They're not gonna be able
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: to do that, they don't have the money to do it.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: They you know, they go on tender and they try
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: to with two hundred girls, they match with one girl
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: and it turns out to be a guy that's trying
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: to scam them, and guess what, they're fucking pissed.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's it. And how many of you guys
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: have dealt with this exact same thing.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: I don't let me just look. I think that was
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: the most of I mean he does.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: He goes into like, you know, the media and masculinity,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: like the way that you know men are because they
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: don't have role models, they're really that. I think this
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: is like basically the takeaway. He doesn't really play anymore
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: of the clip. We know what Tommy Laurence said. Anyway,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: we saw that. I think dating apps. I think men
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: should just not be on dating apps. I think dating
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: apps are cancer and well I have a really radical
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: take on dating but I won't share it here, But
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: uh yeah, I don't think they should be on dating
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: apps because I think that what the problem is is
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: that women treat men on dating apps in the same
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: way they shop for shop for things. They're basically just
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: like min Max, you know, and that means that they're
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: they're trying to get the most benefit with the minimum
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: amount of work and efforts, and they that's why women
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: on average find the overwhelming majority of men unattractive. And
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: that's not just something I know that some people like
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Hannah Cox and not So a, not So Aerodite and
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: shit have said online that that's like a misnomer. I
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: think even like people like Laurence Southern has said it.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: But the thing is is that it is It is
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: true that women have such an they've essentially convinced themselves
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: that they deserve the absolute best. And I understand where
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: that comes from in terms of their evolution and their instincts,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: but it's completely like misplaced home Math has talked a
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: lot about this at length in a number of videos,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: and I think that women need to be grounded on earth.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: And I think that like dating apps have, dating apps
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: and social media have essentially created an illusion of reality.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: And then on top of that, you know, you're around
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: your peers and all the women around you are saying
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: you're a ten, and you know you can put on
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: like a pound of makeup and make yourself look like
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: a six.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: And of course there's.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Lots of like thirsty dudes and like simps online that'll
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: make you feel like a ten, so you're gonna start
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: believing it. So it's not I'm not even blaming women
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: for this. I think this is like a combination of factors.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: But I you know, well, go ahead, go ahead and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: blame women.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I'm not only I'm blaming women,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: but I'm also blaming simps. People call Lizo a ten.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: Somebody in the chat just said exactly, That's what I'm saying.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: And it's not just other women that are just gassing
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: each other up because they want to. Like a lot
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: of when women gass each other up, it's it's not
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: because they believe it. It's because like sounding like you're complimenting
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: somebody else makes you look like a better person. So
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: it's still like a self serving act to be like, no, honey,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: I think you're beautiful.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: But I'm not saying this for you. I'm saying this
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: I'm saying this so that other people look at me
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: and say, Wow, what a good friend that you always
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: have something nice to say. And so even when women
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: compliment each other, they're doing it for themselves, if that
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: makes sense. And yeah, they will lie to each other
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: because they may it makes them feel good about themselves.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: And then when women believe the lie that they're being
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: told by other women, then they are setting themselves up
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: for a great fall. And but but it's not just that,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: it's also there are men who have like no standards
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: maybe and there they could be because it's the Internet.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: They could be from any country in the world that
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: are just looking for a woman in like your country,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: like a first world country, and so they'll just flatter you,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: or maybe they're into that.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: So I think that Lizzo gets called a ten by
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: the people are a peer group other women who think
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: she's just fantastic because she's a woman and we got
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: to stay with the sisterhood. But also there's thirsty, simpy
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: dudes that will say it. But like if men, there
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: are some men that have to have some standards as well.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Like I saw a guy in the in the vertical
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: or in the special chat, the vertical chat earlier. He said, hey, guys,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: I'm six foot that's simp behavior. Guys, that's simp behavior.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't have to go in and say hello, ladies
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: right over here, six foot tall man, I'm good enough?
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: Am I good enough? I'm six foot. What do you
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: think that's pathetic? You don't owe anybody that like you,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but it is. If you are six foot, congratulations,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: But who gives a shit? Do you really want to
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: like tell a girl that you're six foot and then
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: have her tell you, okay, we'll go out, Like if
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: that's the criteria that you're meeting, that's that's no, you're dude,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: You're setting yourself up for massive failure. So just like
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: as much as I blame women, and I'm going to
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: continue to blame women, men, you guys have to have
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: some standards too, like come on, you know, because.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: You are helping to feed into this delusion.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Like when even when Asmund says, I think he was saying, Tommy,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: Lauren is pretty. I think she's mid sorry, and she's
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: like in her thirties now, So like it's over, Like
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: the wall has come. Just walk away. It's a big,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: beautiful wall and it's coming for you. Like I think that, Yeah,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: I mean I think that that that that's the problem,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: and it's it's the normal working class man that's going
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: to suffer the most because he like men don't gass
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: each other up and by all accounts like they probably shouldn't,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: because it's better that you live in reality than some
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: fantasy constructed by your peer group so that they can
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: feel better about themselves for gassing you up.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: I would say that maybe it's a little bit of
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: column A, a little bit of colum B.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: I actually sort of lurk on home Math's forum, and
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: I witnessed some I would say, like not very functional
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: behavior from both members of the sex. So he has
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: a forum for women to talk to women about things,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: and a forum for men to talk to men. So
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: a woman's only and a man's only, and the woman's only.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: A woman who was about three hundred pounds started posting,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: and all the women were banging her up. She's saying, oh,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: you have lovely hair and lovely complexion. And the woman
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: was saying, why can't I get a date? And of
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: course nobody's telling her the obvious, right, you know, maybe
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: lose some weight and you know, just just to improve
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: your odds. But every single woman's just bigging her up
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: and making her feel like she doesn't, like not address
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: the obvious thing that she probably should change, even for herself.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: Right then I went to like the men's forums, and
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: you know, you can see everything that goes on. And
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: in fact, a man actually posted in that thread with
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: that woman, but he got deleted, and I'm pretty sure
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: what happened is he said the obvious immediately got deleted.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: Now go to the men's forum and there's this guy
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: who posts. He says, I can't get a date and
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: I'm like living in my mom's basement. And immediately this
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: guy just sort of goes on him and starts saying, well,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: you gotta do this, you gotta do this, you gotta
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: do this, don't make any excuses, get off your fat
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: fucking face and our fat fucking ass and make a change.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: You lose her, And I'm like okay, and I watch
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: and the guy sort of responds initially and then disappears,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, I think there should be a balance
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: between those two. You know, let's let's recognize the obvious,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: but also maybe help get to the places that they
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: want to be through some reasonable support, you know, like, Okay, yeah,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: these are the problems that you have, but you can
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: overcome them with effort and will help you in those
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: moments where where you feel like you're not going to
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: make any progress and you feel really depressed and you
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: can have some place to talk about that and uh
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: but but but you know, you keep working towards your goals,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: and you keep break them down into simpler steps. You
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: take the simpler steps, and you move towards improving your
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: position and in reasonable way, not through necessarily through massive shaming,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: but just trying to help people get better. You know.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: So you try to help people get better, but you
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: don't blast the hell out of them because they're not
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: where they want to be. Does that make sense?
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I don't disagree with that. I
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: never yeh, I never claimed that. I do think it's
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: a bit of.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, it's a combination because you need to
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: people need to strive to be better, of course, because
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: what is life but striving to be better. But at
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: the same time as sometimes people do need like, yeah,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: you can do it, you know a little bit of
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: believe in the mean that believes you, you know, that
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: kind of thing.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: Sure, we should be encouraging.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: Anything, encouraging and recognizing the progress that people do make.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: That's the other thing. It's like people get into this
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: treadmill where they can never step back and say, hey, actually,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: you know what I did something pretty impressive. I should
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: take a moment to congratulate myself and live in the
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: feeling of having achieved something, and I shouldn't feel bad
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: to do that. And this is what I've discovered. You know,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: if you give people more of the skills to actually
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: recognize the things that they do, they do more of them.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: And you know, so it's just something like it's like
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: it's it's something that if you found something in the
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: middle of that, I think that would work a lot
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: better for everyone. But you know, that's that's that's I
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: don't know, is that centrism or just sensibility.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't disagree, So I don't know if
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: you thought that was like a counter argument to my statement.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think I was far off from that. But
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: I got a super chat from Derek Workman and he
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: gave us five dollars and said, I kind of want
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: to hear response to the comment made before this, So
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: I had to dig up the comment. You know, you
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: could have just copy pasted it into the super chat,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: but okay, I found it, and he says, why is
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: it that whenever there is any news story about men
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: having problems, where is some women going off about who
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: she wants to stuff her blank with. Oh, whenever men
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: have problems, as women complaining about the fact that they
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: have problems, Is that what you mean?
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: No, that they that men aren't attractive enough for them
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: or something?
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, well yeah, women don't offer
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: any encouragement. That's another thing about Ultimately, the big takeaway
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: from this Tommy Lauren clip is that she doesn't have
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: anything but shame for you.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And I have another anecdote from Twitter because
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: I go on Twitter and sometimes I put my hair
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: up so I look like a man. I guess now
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: I used to look like a twelve year old boy.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: But anyway, so I would get into these arguments as
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: feminists and they'd think I was a man and they
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: would shame me. And there was one particular thing that
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: I found hilarious this woman and essentially said, you're not
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: man enough to save me, Like, lady, you're you're using
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: your own weakness and incompetence to insult me, Like why
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: wouldn't you save yourself empowered individual? And that's this is
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: the thing, like what they're doing when they direct from
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: away from what men are are working with or trying
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: to fix or struggling with. When they're directed away from
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: men's issues back towards women and what women deserve, they're
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: essentially reasserting that identity that men exist to save women,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: so men can't have problems because how can they save women?
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: Like that's and it's pathetic, Like is this is this
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: the sum total of being a woman? You're just a thing.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: You're just a rug that constantly needs to be you know,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: it's bringing the room together, but constantly needs to be
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: saved from the nihilists, you know, you know what I mean?
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, sure, it's very weir it. No, I
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: get the reference. It's a you know, Lebowski reference. I
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: get it, But no, I mean no, I guess so yeah,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: maybe a little.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Bit save the rug, save the really the room together.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: Brings the room. That's that's women's function. They really bring
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: the room together, and they need to be saved and
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: well and also it's men's function to save women. But
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: I just I will never forget that exchange. You aren't
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: man enough to save me?
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Did they think you were a man? Because I know
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: Hannah and Karen get that too all the time.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes they thought I was a man.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: You know. It's funny, like they probably just assumed that
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: because you criticize women, you must be a man. Like
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: that's like that there, it's like they're showing their their
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: bigotry or their attitude right off the bat, because they're saying, well,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: only a man would criticize women, no matter.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: What women do. Mm hmmm, only a man would do that.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: I was going to add something to what you said
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: about women bigging each other up. There's another component to it.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: I think they want to.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Get to call it.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: We call it yas lighting.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: Else gas lighting, okay, yeah, lighting, very very cute. There's
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: another very.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Too, very mindful.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: There's another component. I think that women they have this
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: really strained relationship with each other. They want to be
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: with other women, but at the same time as they
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: are extremely suspicious of them. So this yas lighting is
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: a way of getting other women sort of addicted to
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: your fatuous praise. Yes, and the instant that she does
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: something that you don't like and like a lot of
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: the conflicts between women is just women not respecting each
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: other's autonomy and then blaming men. But the instance that
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: she does something you don't like, you are going to
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: list all of her flaws, all of all of her
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: physical flaws, and taking away that praise in a moment
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: of vulnerability is going to be so painful. And then
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: to combine taking away that praise, taking away that rug
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: that you've built this, she's built a bit of her
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: identity or self worth on the lies that you've told her.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: You take that away and then you couple it with it.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: It's like a one two punch and the second punch
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: is everything that you didn't tell her about her flaws
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: all at once. It's a devastating maneuver. And I think
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: it's like almost like a nuclear turrent for women. It's
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: like we're all we're all gonna be friends because we
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: know if we fuck up, like if anybody, if anybody
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: upsets the apple cart, they're gonna get bombed into this,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: into the ugly age. Okay, all right, I'll all right.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: I think that's it for this video. I don't think
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: there's much else, but but I will say that, you know,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: it does make me happy to see the Normy's, the
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: normy audience like tapping out of this.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: And I think that Asthman has the Roach King has
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of reach roach has reached. Yes, that's what
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: people call him. So apparently he lives in you know,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: I would say smaller, but there's there. There was a
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: cockroach in one of his dreams, I think. But he
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: kind of the thing is though, he just kind of
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: owns it, like yeah, okay, yeah, I have a pest problem,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: and that's okay because again, you know this like it's
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: I used to. Like I grew up in the low
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: income part of the West Side of Chicago, and I
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: lived with my family in a roach infested apartment and
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: it was really bad. And I'm grateful that I don't anymore,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: but like that was like my whole childhood. I just
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: lived with pests. Like that was just the reality. And
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think it makes me like a worse person
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: because of it. It's just the conditions. But a lot
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: of people still have this is a little bit of
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: an elitism that comes from that kind of judgment. I mean,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: you could say, well that means that you live in filth,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: but like, honestly, like my mom was a neat freak,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: it just could not be helped. It's just the you know,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: once the building has roaches, you just have roaches, Like
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: you just got to get the Orcan man.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't our building. We didn't own it.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: We rented, you know, a little apartment there my mom,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: my dad, and my three brothers or my two brothers rather,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: so you know what I'm but anyway that I'm that's
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: a big digression. I'm just saying, like the understanding of
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: your circumstances and the ownership of that is to me
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: encouraging because it means you're saying, look, you know, I'm yeah,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: this is my life and that's okay, right, so.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, okay, so let's get to that second one.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: Do you want the Fox thing? This one?
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we'll play this. Yeah, that's fine. This one
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: is short and again I didn't finish this one.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: I think I may have actually.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: But she brings on this panel of dudes and this
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: is all cringe, Like I'm sorry, but the Fox stuff
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: is cringe because they're clearly just out of touch and
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: like they don't know what's what the conversations are. They're
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: still having conversations with you know, much older generations of
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: men that are just like not there. That's not they're
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: they're not the Zoomers, right, They're not in this In
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: this space the zoomers are in, they're.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 10: Having to use anthropologists to figure out how to appeal
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 10: to you.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, I got I gotta something from a
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: Noba fan. I forgot to read it. Noba Fan twenty
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: one gives a dollar on Rumble thank you and says,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: I think on Twitter you should remind feminists that men
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: have no instice to get rid of their male or
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: whatever feminists want men to do to be better. Watch
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: them double down. No incentive is what he means to say,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: no incentive to get rid of their male privilege. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 10: Anyway, white men, how do we talk to this strange
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 10: and breed of American citizen that we've never wanted their
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 10: vote before, but now we do. Hillary Clinton was doing
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 10: a rally and it was like, you know, I'm going
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 10: to be the president for African Americans Latino Americans, and
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 10: she just went down the list right, and my staffer goes,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 10: so she didn't want my vote.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: She didn't ask for my boy. H mean, he's a
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: white male.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 10: You spent two fifty essentially ignoring that vote, and in
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 10: fact not only ignoring it, interest groups going out of
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 10: their way to marginalize. I'm that demographic group, and then
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 10: you're shocked when that demographic group doesn't think the Democratic
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 10: Party wants them to be members.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Well, they were appealing mostly to women and they have actually,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: let me just find this because I thought this was interesting.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: They have realized their mistake and they're doing everything they
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: can to change it. On tomorrow's news show, I'm gonna
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: be talking about how and I know this is more
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: political because we're talking about the Democratic Party, but it
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: is like the brother there is it's a microcosm of
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: a broader conversation around how men are essentially like left
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: out of the conversation period with like what with regards
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: to you know, where to move in our society. And
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: they will specify white men and I would say, yeah,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: maybe white men most of all, but it's all men
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, because if you're operating
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: within the progressive stack, women will always be at the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: top of that. So but yeah, so it says, you know,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: like they're planning to spend twenty million dollars on something
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: called the SAM Project, which means speaking to American men,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: I think, to try to help them because it was
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: men that changed the outcome of the election in twenty
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: twenty four, and that in addition to that, they have
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: engaged someone named Olivia Juliana as part of their strategy
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: to bring young men to Democratic Party and for them.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: This is the thing that I think is also interesting
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: about this because this is what the bread tubers do too.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: It always comes down to not necessarily like what can
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: we like actually offer two men to like get their vote,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: but rather how do we manipulate them to support us,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: because we're not actually going to give them anything, We're
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: not actually interested in their concerns. We're only interested in
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: their votes. So how do we get them? And this
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: is like the thing that's going to continues to backfire
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: because the interests of men run counter to the interests
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: of single women single women, which is the voting block
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: they have created. So how are you going to be
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: able to court the men who are, by and large,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: you know, they want to get married, they want to
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: have families, and that will mean that they're going to
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: be concerned about the role of government in their lives.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: That will mean that they're concerned about the direction their
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: society goes in. They're going to be concerned about their
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: children's education, they're going to be concerned about their sons
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: and like where they stand. And all of that is
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: counter to the single woman narrative, which is essentially that
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: they should be focused on career and you know, acquiring
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: resources or using the welfare state, which of course a
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: married man would be concerned with, and a married woman too,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: because once a woman is in a marriage with a man,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: then she cares about where her tax dollars are going
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: because that becomes important. But when she's not, then she
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: doesn't care. She actually wants those resources right redirected to her.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: So this is the problem that the left has now
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: is that they have alienated men so much. And I
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: think it's because they saw them as a It took
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: them for granted, like, oh, well, they're going to vote
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: for us anyway because they don't like otherwise we're gonna
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: call them racists and sexist and.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: So when older identity basically yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: So we can just bludgeon them into doing what we say.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: And what happened was men finally said no, we're not
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: doing that, and now they're like, oh shit, what do
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: we do We have to appeal to them, and all
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: they have is, well, we could pander that's what we do.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: We do that with women at works, well, pander the men.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't work because men don't care about pandering.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: They don't want to be gassed up. They want to know,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: what is it that you're going to do that is
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: going to allow them the freedom to pursue whatever it
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: is they're interested in, and essentially like you know, and
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: what that comes with, which is usually you know, a family,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: which is what I think the overwhelming majority of men want.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: So that's like a problem. So anyway, he was explaining
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: how that demographic men is being alienated.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 12: File this as well under the category of after years
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 12: of reporting the sky is red, Chuck trod drapes himself
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 12: in gravitas and revelation and credibility to report to us
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 12: finally that the sky is blue.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 12: We've known for quite some time how democrats have alienated
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 12: young men. Okay, now speaking of young men, my own sons, sons,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 12: better tune this out. A Wall Street General headline got
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 12: our attention, the new dream job for young men stay
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 12: at home son, It's afraid to take an austince. Twenty
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 12: seven year old Brendan Leo won fifty nine thousand dollars
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 12: on Jeopardy and he has a master's degree in political science.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 12: But he's unemployed and lives with his parents. So our
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 12: stay at home sons here to stay Joining me now
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 12: is the Ruthless Podcast Team Josh Holmes Company.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: All right, pausing it there, So you notice there was
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: a guy who was so smart he won Jeopardy. He
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: has a master's degree in political science, and he lives
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: at home with his parents. Don't you think that guy
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: knows something? You don't know?
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: Will Kine made it sounds like he made.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: A completely rational decision based on what I think that
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: was the super high i Q move in my opinion.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: He was like, well, I have fifty nine thousand dollars,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: I have a master's degree in political science.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay at home with my parents. I don't know.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: I think that, Like I know that they're gonna shame
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: him for that, but I think that there's a Jeopardy winner.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: Knows what he's doing exactly.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder, I wonder if they're And of course
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: that's what I mean, like these people are so out
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: of touch, they don't they don't know. Oh that there's
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: probably like a really good reason for that. And of
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: course this is one guy in his one circumstance. He
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: won jeopardy, he won a lot of money. He has
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: a master's degree. Probably a pretty smart guy, especially considering
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: the fact that you know, I would say a degree
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean much, but I think for a man it
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: probably means something because they don't get any of the
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: beneficial grants and scholarships and the boosting and all of that.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: Because the universities are generally not looking for ways to
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: increase the number of male graduates because that doesn't look good, right.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: They want to increase a number of women graduates. They
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: want to increase a number of graduates of color, or
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: immigrant graduates or whatever, so they can say, look at
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: how equitable we are.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: That's why, like, even.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Though you know, people say that the DEI is like
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: going away, it isn't really. It's just being rebranded. So
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: they're just like playing around with the with the language,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: and they're messing around with some of the you know
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: in which it goes about. But there's they still like
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: the colleges are not any less woke than they were,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: so they still have the same goals. They're just trying
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: to figure out new ways to get there. And this
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: is why, like Zoomer men as Asthma goal laid out
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: are still struggling because they're still last in line. They're
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: still being treated that way. And I don't know that
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: we can do anything about it, except, you know, do
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: something about universities in general, like they got to go.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: And I think there's like new universities coming out that
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: are like online universities that could be an answer. But yeah,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, as it stands, I think that if you
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: understand that these men still have all of this against
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: them and that they're rolling a boulder uphill to get
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: a degree, and women just you know, they get all
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: kinds of like grants and loans and stuff, which of
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: course puts the women in debt, which.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: They eventually bring to their actual marriage.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I'm here to marry you, now, I know,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like twenty nine, I've ran through them a bunch
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: of dudes, and I'm also six figures in debt.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: But hey, you don't want to be alone, right.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: But meanwhile, this guy, I think that he's probably seen
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: all of that and he's like, well here's what I'm
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: going to do. So yeah, I mean, but yeah, anyway,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: so I'm want play more of this. So now we're
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: going to get the reaction from the Ruthless podcast. These
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: guys that wear sunglasses indoors. Not that I'm shaming people
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: wear sunglasses indoors.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 12: But I John Ashbrook and Michael Duncan take bets, take odds.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 12: Which one of these guys lives at home right now?
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: It's Duncan. It's Duncan. I saw the way about his head. Amazing.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: Will you started this perfectly? This is exactly our sweet
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: spot now listen.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 13: Is its compelling is ranging flowers and monitoring Amazon deliveries
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 13: could be.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: To your average person.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 13: I think the you know, most men with even an
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 13: ounce of testosterone would find this a touch to me.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 11: We have to bring back shame in this country. Josh like,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 11: it's crazy to be like you. You would have to
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 11: waterboard me.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: This is absolutely retarded. I'm sorry, these guys are retards.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: We have to bring back shame in this country.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: We do. We just only shame men. Have you been
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: paying attention?
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, unless you're unless you're gonna blame women a bit. Nope,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: everything just lands back on men. Huh. Yeah, let's let's
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: keep going. I actually have words. I have words that
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: may be offensive. But let's uh, let's.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Dean Domino gave us a super chat for four ninety
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: nine and says, a few weeks ago, some critter, I
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: think apossum fell through his ceiling onto the floor of
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: his house. Some asmen gold, I think it made me
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: think of an always sunny opening. I've never watched that show.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: All right, thank you for that. I don't want to
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: make sure to miss anything else. No, it doesn't look
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: like it.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: Super Chows, they're easier for us to find the badgery
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: dot com.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: Fross gave us five dollars Superchow for some reason, it
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: didn't show up in my unless I missed it, and
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: he said, sounds like feminists have done a horseshoe and
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: now back to being damsels in distress.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: Well, no, their identity. There are identity changes depending.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: On what they need.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: One minute, yeah, one minute, there you know the damsel
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: in distress. The next minute their catnus Everdeen fighting against
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: the system.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 11: But anyway, he like khalee shake Mohammad to get me
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 11: to admit that I'm a stay at home son, like
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 11: what well.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 13: I was speaking of water boy, and I blame the
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 13: dads to be honest with if I suggested, for one
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 13: moment to my father that I was just gonna kind
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 13: of stay at home and not have a professional career,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 13: not row the boat at all, he would have waterboarded
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 13: me in the front yard.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: I am saying, I'm sorry, Brian, I'm about to put
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: the Republican Party on blast. But continue, No.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: It's fine, go ahead. I mean like that, I believe
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: I blame the dads, and I'm like, what.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: Dads, though, Yeah, what dads?
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: Your bipartisan moved to give women welfare basically out competed
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: dads in the home, So what dads? Okay?
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: At home sons?
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 12: He might be an improvement, don't we keep hearing smug
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 12: of like stay at home thirty year olds, like dudes
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 12: that haven't moved out by the time this is twenty
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 12: to twenty four year olds. I'm not as concerned about
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 12: that as I am as the failure to launch thirty
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 12: year olds, which I think that's also a real thing,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 12: like grow up, get a job, get a wife, build
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 12: a family.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 8: So I'll give them a little bit of grace. There
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 8: was a statistic that came out.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: It was in the journal.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 8: I want to say it was about a month ago
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 8: that ninety percent of positions that went to companies in
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 8: the S and P five hundred went to non white
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 8: males in this country over.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 5: The past five years.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 5: That was stunning to me.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 8: It's stunning, and the reason for that is because we have.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: Well now it was non white and non males. It
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: was like women first, like women of color first, then
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: white women, men of color, then white men. So basically
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: women first.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 8: At an era of DEI which was pushed and it
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 8: was basically excluding. There's a reason why Democrats like, why
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 8: can't we communicate to this group? It's not communication issue,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 8: it's a policy issue. You demonized a group of people,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 8: you told them they weren't wanted, and so I see
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 8: this as somewhat of an outgrowth of that. So I
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 8: can give a little bit of grace. At the same
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 8: time that era is being wiped clean, you have an
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 8: administration that believes in for the first time, it's shocking,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 8: equal opportunity.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Can you believe that everyone on the same.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 8: Footing, best person wins the job. But I think when
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 8: you see this this administration, you see the policies that's
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 8: already gotten the economy going, it's got people excited. I
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 8: think young men aren't gonna have to worry about being
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 8: stay at home sons. They're going to be out there
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 8: getting it done.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: Let's hope that's true.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 12: Let's hope it is true that it's a new playing field,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 12: and therefore stories like this page will.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: K that's it, okay. So just to just to clarify
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: that the one guy in the center there, he was
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: the stay at home son, or was.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: One of them or no, they were joking about it.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: It was a joke, all right.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: So this is what I have to say, and I'm
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: maybe incredibly offensive. The Republicans aren't fixing this, like I'm
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: gonna be quite freaking honest I was. I had a
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: lot of hope for Doge, and he has proposed a
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: whole bunch of cuts to the government bloat, and none
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: of them have passed Congress. None of them, right, none
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: of them have become put in in place. And what
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: I see is a bill no offense, the big beautiful bill,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: how many more trillions of dollars worth of spending. And
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: let me tell you what government spending is. It is
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: stealing from people. The modern monetary theory, people say that
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: a government can't go bankrupt if it just underwrites its
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: own bills. That's what they're doing. They're essentially just it's
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: not really printing money, but they're loaning to themselves. They
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: get the first crack at everything in the market, so
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: they get whatever they want at yesterday's prices, and then
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: everybody else has to pay the inflation, and they stagnate
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: the economy. They pick winners and losers among corporations that
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: can't disappear and actually be replaced. They're destroying small business.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: This entire system is now a fat burg of bloat,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: and young men are not finding a crack in it.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: And these guys, many of them, if they're part of
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: the media, the media conglomerate, and probably also these dudes,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: all they have to do is all they are doing
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: is shaming. And yet we've had a president who said
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: he was dedicated to reducing what the budget, to getting
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: rid of fraud and waste, and all of that initiative
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: is once again ground into a halt because of the entrenched,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: inertious inertia of the bureaucracy. There are a whole bunch
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: of people in Washington. They talk about stay at home sons.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: They are fucking squatters and that's all they are. They're
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: squatters on the taxpayer's dime, you know, go after them.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: Why do we continue to point fingers at young men
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: who are struggling in a system that's already ossified. It's
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: already decided the winners and losers, and they are not
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: the winners. They are the losers. Why are we going
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: after young men for this when it is the failure
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: of these institutions to actually slash this government bloat that
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: is destroying and disabling the economy. It's that failure. And
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: it's okay, I'm not calling out Trump because I can
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: probably see any kind of frustration because there's it's like
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: nothing anything you throw at this gigantic mess, it just
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: doesn't do anything. And these theause young men are getting frustrated,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: and they're seeing down the downstream effect of his government
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: bloat and this destruction of movement in the economy. Right,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: they're seeing the downstream effects of it, and we are
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: pointing fingers at them and condemning them. They are a
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: symptom of an system that is utterly failing. Again. Next year,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: the bureaucrats, what do they do. They take out another
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: loan to pay themselves, and the taxpayers have to pay
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: interest on that loan. They take another loan to pay
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: their businesses as consultancies or whatever else to get more
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: money in, and the taxpayers have to pay the interest
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: on that loan. I have a lot of sympathy. It's
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: not just the sympathy for men looking at the dating
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: sphere and saying what's in it? For me looking at
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: society and saying, why should I invest in a society
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: that's destroying any public perception, like destroying my value proposition
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: for women for the opposite sex. Why should I invest
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: in an economic system that is top down, that is
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: command at this point, all right, why should I invest
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: in that? Why should I invest in a system where
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: small businesses are dying at an unprecedented rate, and everything
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: has become about how close you can get to the
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: government teat like to a vein. Actually, you know, I'm
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: not eve gonna call it a government vein. How close
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: you can get to a vein on the taxpayers. This
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: whole system is just I'm actually really fucking frustrated about
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: what happened with Doje. I apologize like, it's just it
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: really pisses me off. And again, I'm not necessarily saying
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: that Trump didn't want to fix this. I'm saying it
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: seems like it's fucking unfixable. And I'm not saying Canada
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: is any better. I fat Canada is worse. We're like,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: we're like the corpse in another stage of decomposition. Okay,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry for what. I don't know I thought that.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: I mean that just it feels like these smug Republicans
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: yapping about young men. It's failure to launch, as if
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: it wasn't their failure to control out of out of
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: control government spending and oversight, if it wasn't their failure
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: to cut the bloat, and also their failure to just
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: keep their daughters in some kind of order.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: All Right, I'm good, that's all right. I mean I'm
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: angry and.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: I can't taken all I can stands, and I can't
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: stands no more. Man.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: Well that's that's basically the end of both of those videos.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: So no, not Chad four h four. It's no, it's
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: very fixable. Trump and Doze never planned to fix it. Well,
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: they could have done nothing.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: I don't believe you, No, I don't believe you. I
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: know that I know that there are people who just
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: want to poopoo everything that Trump tries to do, but
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: we knew that he was up against the swamp anyway,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: So no, I don't buy it. I mean, just because
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: someone is not making progress at the pace that you
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: think they should doesn't mean they never intend to try
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: to fix it. So we can. I can criticize people,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: but like, I'm not gonna just buy wholesale into this whole,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: like it was not supposed to work.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry, but you can't.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: You're just a random dude on the internet. You don't know,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: you don't know shit.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: We we can't judge by intent. And the truth is,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: if he never intended to do it, he could have
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: not done it at all. Then he wouldn't have even
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: been judged by the metric of it. You No, it
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have even been put on the table as something
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: to consider. You know, I have my own criticism of Trump.
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  Speaker 2: I have.
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  Speaker 3: I'm still trying to wrap my mind around what the
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  Speaker 3: hell the tariffs are for. But it's just you can't.
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  Speaker 3: It's you're starting to chase intentions, and that's like that's
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  Speaker 3: a rabbit hole that you can go down forever. Let's
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  Speaker 3: just assume he did intend this and unfortunately the swamp
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  Speaker 3: it consumes all efforts into itself.
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  Speaker 2: All right, yeah, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, But do we wanted to go to uh
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  Speaker 3: Tim poole or just call it a day?
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  Speaker 2: Can we do this another day because we got like
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  Speaker 2: shows to do this week? So sure, sure, okay.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think we gave you guys a good
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  Speaker 3: run here, m m. You got some angry Allison. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if Brian got angry at any point. You
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  Speaker 3: seemed pretty calm today.
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  Speaker 1: Well I watched these in advance, so.
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  Speaker 2: I know what going to say.
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• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: also a positive, a little bit of a positive announcement.
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  Speaker 3: Justin Troutier from the Canadian Center for Men and Families
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  Speaker 3: is going to be awarded the King Charles three Award
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  Speaker 3: for his work with men and boys. Now I'm not
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  Speaker 3: really thrilled about the name of the award, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: glad that he's getting recognition. And yeah, that's really good.
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  Speaker 1: That's big too, that's big.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Senator Brazo praised his wide reaching impact, stating the mental
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  Speaker 3: well being of Canadian boys and men has gone ignored
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  Speaker 3: for far too long. Justin Traci's remarkable leadership in this
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  Speaker 3: area inspires us all to up our game and support
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  Speaker 3: of the men and boys in our lives. So that's
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  Speaker 3: a great sentiment. I hope eventually we'll start to consider
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  Speaker 3: actually opposing the ubiquitous narratives that are targeting men and
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  Speaker 3: boys as being oppressors, is being unfairly privileged, and all
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  Speaker 3: of that jazz we'll see. I mean, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: a great thing to see that Justin's work is being
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  Speaker 3: acknowledged because he's really fought hard for men and boys.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So with that, I'll hand it back to
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  Speaker 3: you Brian.
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  Speaker 9: Men's Right activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
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  Speaker 9: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
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  Speaker 9: deal with, especially if you have like especially if you
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  Speaker 9: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
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  Speaker 5: On top of that too, holy shit, you're fucked