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Missing children heartbreak; Help us! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's New Year's Day, starting
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Speaker 1: a brand new year for so many of us. We
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Speaker 1: have our families that are so extremely blessed, but the
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Speaker 1: reality is is that the search goes on for missing children.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let's take a look at
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Speaker 1: just three of those many, many missing children in the
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Speaker 1: hopes that this year is the year they will be
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Speaker 1: brought home. Starting with a beautiful little girl named Serenity. Listen.
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Speaker 1: Authorities in Rockerville are searching for a nine year old
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Speaker 1: girl who went missing earlier today. Nine year old Serenity
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Speaker 1: Dinner was last spotted leaving the Children's Home Society on
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Speaker 1: South Rockerville Road around eleven twenty this morning. Dinner it
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Speaker 1: is seven is four seven ninety pounds, with blue eyes
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Speaker 1: and shoulder length, dirty blonde hair. She was last seen
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Speaker 1: wearing a long sleeved gray shirt with flowers, blue jeans
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Speaker 1: and snow boots. Temperatures are expected to drop below zero tonight.
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Speaker 1: If anyone has any information regarding her whereabouts, please contact
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Speaker 1: the Penson County Sheriff's Office. What happened to Serenity? You
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Speaker 1: were just hearing our friend Nick Reagan at Kota TV
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Speaker 1: this beautiful nine year old little girl in South Dakota
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Speaker 1: runs away and freezing temps without a coat. First of all,
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Speaker 1: why didn't anyone go after her? What are the facts
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Speaker 1: surrounding her disappearance? Who is she with now? What has
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Speaker 1: become of serenity? Joining me an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again? First
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Speaker 1: of all. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags
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Speaker 1: and host of Today with Doctor Wendy on kBq. You
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Speaker 1: can find her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, joining us out of the Atlanta Juristiction.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: Former police chief John's Creek twenty five years on the force,
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Speaker 1: now PI and polygrapher at Chris Bayer's Investigations and polygraph
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Speaker 1: dot com. Daphne Young is joining us today, VP of
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Speaker 1: Communications and Prevention Education at Childhelp dot org. Very Dear
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Speaker 1: to my Heart, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of a brand
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Speaker 1: new hit Poison US Liaisons on the Street Crime Network
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, but first to Ray Kiputo, lead news
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Speaker 1: anchor Wdbo. Ray, Let's start with you, how does this
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Speaker 1: little girl just water off and nobody figures it out
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Speaker 1: until it's too late, Nancy. She was at the Black
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Speaker 1: Hills Children Home in South Dakota. That's close to a
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Speaker 1: little town called Rockerville. And you know, not Rushmore is
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Speaker 1: in the area, rapid cities in the area. It was
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Speaker 1: a really remote area, very familiar. Ray. It's beautiful country.
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Speaker 1: Remember I just took the twins on an RV trip.
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Speaker 1: We camped all around that area. Beautiful but deadly. Go ahead. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: the terrain there is rough, but the weather there this
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Speaker 1: time of year. All the time of year it happened
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Speaker 1: was Super Bowl Sunday, February second, so the weather was
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Speaker 1: about thirty six degrees outside. But the little girl just
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Speaker 1: opened up a gymnasium door and walked out. You know,
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Speaker 1: there was a little bit of a distraction, but heard
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Speaker 1: another child had distracted one of the caretakers in the gym,
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Speaker 1: and then she made her getaway. You know, I want
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Speaker 1: to examine what Ray Kiputo has just told us, and
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Speaker 1: I want to go to a very special guest from
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Speaker 1: Childhelp dot Org who has Childhelp has been our partner
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Speaker 1: for so many years, since we first launched crime Stories
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Speaker 1: and crime online dot com. Childhelp dot Org was there
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Speaker 1: in the thick of it, joining me, Daphne Young from
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Speaker 1: childhelp dot Org. Not that he's wrong, He's always right
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Speaker 1: with his facts everything Ray Kaputo said, but it was
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Speaker 1: also all wrong in a larger sense. So a little
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Speaker 1: girl age nine has run away before, and what do
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Speaker 1: they do sticker in a home for children where she
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Speaker 1: runs away? And and they don't have a protocol for this?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I always say, when you don't
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Speaker 1: know a horse, look at a strike record. If this
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Speaker 1: child has run away from home before, and I'm curious
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Speaker 1: why so far? You know, my children have not run
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Speaker 1: away from home. I threatened to run away from home,
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Speaker 1: but never did. Of course I changed my mind when
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Speaker 1: it got to be supper time. Why did this little
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Speaker 1: girl run from her home? Would be my first question?
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Speaker 1: And why is the answer to that to stick her
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Speaker 1: in a children's home? Where is she then predictably runs away?
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Speaker 1: She's only ninety years old. I don't know what she's
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Speaker 1: running from, but I do know that there should be
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Speaker 1: protocols in place to keep a child from running out
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Speaker 1: the door on Super Bowl Sunday of all times. Well,
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Speaker 1: Nancy's Serenity, first of all, is a really tough name
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Speaker 1: to deal with, right because that name means calm and
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Speaker 1: peaceful and untroubled. And that's the antithesis of missing child,
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Speaker 1: the opposite feeling of caretakers who can't sleep because they
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Speaker 1: don't know where she is. And it's the opposite feeling
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Speaker 1: the little girl that's running for her life. And it
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Speaker 1: hits so hard at Child Help because we have residential
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Speaker 1: treatment facilities. You know about them, Nancy, the Child Help villages.
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Speaker 1: They're isolated their natural environments, they receive equin therapy, they hike,
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Speaker 1: a ride, bikes, fish. These are such safe places to heal,
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Speaker 1: but they're remote. And in our work, a little girl
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Speaker 1: like that's called a runner and she's just a little
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Speaker 1: hurting heart who's acting out. She's in crisis. We know
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Speaker 1: that that child was prone to self harm. And we
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Speaker 1: see children like Serenity all the time and something happens
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Speaker 1: to them that makes them run from their pain. And
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Speaker 1: what breaks my heart is there's a protocol that you
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Speaker 1: have to have in place to prepare for runners. So
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Speaker 1: when we have a child that's identified as a potential runaway.
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Speaker 1: We set a whole procedure ahead of time. We determine
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Speaker 1: it on the age, eyes, behavioral developmental lotifles child. We
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Speaker 1: consider it a runaway plan, and if that child runs,
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Speaker 1: our senior staff and duty officer are immediately notified. If
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Speaker 1: the child is in sight, we follow it close distance,
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Speaker 1: but do not intervene physically. We don't lock the child away,
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Speaker 1: but we do intervene in case of danger, if she's
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Speaker 1: coming to a precipice or a quiff. But what we
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Speaker 1: do if in thirty minutes that child has not been
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Speaker 1: found and we are not following the child, and a
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Speaker 1: child has gone missing on a property, the sheriff is
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Speaker 1: notified and we take care of all the paperwork afterwards.
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Speaker 1: Right in that moment, it's fine the child, you know what,
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Speaker 1: Daphne Young joining me from child Help dot Org. Why
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Speaker 1: why why couldn't you be everywhere at once? Why couldn't
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Speaker 1: you be there today? This little girl runs away. I'm
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Speaker 1: just thinking about my daughter, Daphne, my little Lucy I Bendela.
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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, she was just twelve years
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Speaker 1: old and she's very slight. Her brother is now six feet.
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Speaker 1: He's been six feet since he was eleven. But she
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Speaker 1: is very thin, bedelicate, little hands and feet, very slight,
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Speaker 1: and I'm just thinking about her running and nobody is
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Speaker 1: following her. They're so much wrong with this scenario. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Alexia Davila Kota Muddy ATVs and command
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Speaker 1: center radios are the tools behind Wednesday search for nine
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Speaker 1: year old Serenity Dinard. Tp Golds Road in Rockerville was
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Speaker 1: closed as eighty searchers from local fire and law enforcement
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Speaker 1: departments headed out looking for the girl. The search was
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Speaker 1: originally scheduled for Saturday, but the nice weather gave the
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Speaker 1: search team ahead start. We've always been watching the weather
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Speaker 1: and the snow melt to determine when we would get
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Speaker 1: into the woods again, to maximize time we're spending in
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Speaker 1: the woods, which also has coming up here when it
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Speaker 1: was all snow covered and you can't get people around
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Speaker 1: and you get people hurt. So we were waiting for
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Speaker 1: the right opportunity. In addition to searching on foot, a
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Speaker 1: helicopter and two canine units from the Northern Hills joined
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Speaker 1: the effort. I spoke to one man from the command
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Speaker 1: center who says each of the searchers has a bag
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Speaker 1: of food and water because they don't plan to take
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Speaker 1: any lunch break today. Rapid City Police Chief car Jegars
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Speaker 1: remains hopeful, most likely that she is still in this proximity. However,
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Speaker 1: we can't rule anything out, so while we continue the search,
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Speaker 1: we also have a parallel investigation ongoing, and both of
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Speaker 1: those efforts will continue until she is located. Time Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance
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Speaker 1: of a beautiful young nine year old girl. Why does
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Speaker 1: she run? I don't know, I'd like to know, But
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Speaker 1: what I want to know more than that is where
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Speaker 1: is she now and why she wasn't followed immediately. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about Serenity Dinar, just nine years old, missing in
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Speaker 1: South Dakota. Take a listen to our friend Stewart Huntington,
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Speaker 1: Black Hills, Fox, South Dakota. At ten forty five am Sunday,
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Speaker 1: Serenity was in the gym at the Black Hills Children's
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Speaker 1: Home with two staffers and three other kids. One kid
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Speaker 1: caused a disturbance and the staffer attended to that child.
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Speaker 1: Serenity then ran out of the building. The other staffer
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Speaker 1: stayed with the two other children at eleven am. Serenity
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Speaker 1: is last seen walking near the home at twelve twenty
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Speaker 1: six pm and nine one one call goes out and
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Speaker 1: Pennington County Sheriff's deputy arrives at twelve forty six. By
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Speaker 1: one sixteen, several deputies are on scene and the decision
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Speaker 1: is made to bring in search and rescue. Joining me,
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Speaker 1: Ray Kimputer, Lead Knews anchor w DBO. Ray, did you
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Speaker 1: hear that timeline from Stuart Huntington at Black Hills Fox
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Speaker 1: ten forty five? Little Serenity was in the gym with
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Speaker 1: two adult staffers. One other child did something caused some disturbance,
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Speaker 1: and Serenity ran out of the building. Why why didn't
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Speaker 1: you run out of the building? But the two staffers
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Speaker 1: didn't follow well, neither one. One of the staffers was
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Speaker 1: chasing one of the kids who caused the distraction. The
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Speaker 1: other one had had looked and saw her running away.
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Speaker 1: But but you're right, is they didn't chase her. It
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Speaker 1: seems like they weren't ready for this now. But the
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Speaker 1: weather side was about thirty six degrees, it was a
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Speaker 1: little Can I just Ray, Can I just get you
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Speaker 1: to look at the timeline with me? That was at
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Speaker 1: ten forty five. Then she's seen outside at eleven am
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Speaker 1: walking near the home. That's fifteen minutes later she spotted,
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Speaker 1: but they do nothing. Finally, an hour and a half
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Speaker 1: later they call nine one one. Do I understand the
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Speaker 1: timeline correctly? Right? Computer eighty minutes went by from the
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Speaker 1: time that she left at the time that the staff
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Speaker 1: called nine one one out. They weren't looking for but
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Speaker 1: they had issues with their walkie talkies and proper communication.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't really a thorough search, and because of that,
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Speaker 1: the little girl got away. To Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags and the host of Today with
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Speaker 1: Doctor Wendy on k c b Q. You can find
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Speaker 1: her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. Wendy, there's so
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Speaker 1: much wrong with what's happening here at this two ldren's home. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's absolutely right, Nancy. I mean, as soon as a
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Speaker 1: child runs, the search and rescue should be on because
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Speaker 1: every precious second counts. We know that, Nancy, because all
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Speaker 1: the cases you cover where this type of thing unfortunately happens.
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Speaker 1: Every minute is precious, just as young Serenity's life is precious.
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Speaker 1: We want to believe she's still alive, and that's one
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Speaker 1: of the reasons why she should have been followed immediately.
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Speaker 1: She didn't walk away, she ran, and that is one
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Speaker 1: of the facts in this timeline, Nancy, that is so important.
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Speaker 1: The timeline that Ray Kaputo just gave us means that
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Speaker 1: they did know what time she left, and that now
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Speaker 1: one wont to be called so far afterwards, you know,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, Doctor Angela Arnold renounced psychiatrists joining us at
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Jurisdiction Angela Arnold MD dot com. I know
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Speaker 1: that I'm overprotective. I understand that I'm that way for
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Speaker 1: a reason. I'm a crime victim. I finally have children
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Speaker 1: late in life, and I will be damn d if
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Speaker 1: I let anything happen to them. Right, Okay, that's just
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Speaker 1: not on my watch now. I started it really hard
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Speaker 1: to believe that this child in my world is out
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Speaker 1: of their vision, out of their knowledge of where she
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Speaker 1: is for an hour and a half and they're not worried.
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Speaker 1: Just here, Ray Kapedo, say how cold it is outside?
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Speaker 1: Aren't they worried? I can't understand how they couldn't be worried.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to say this, but it sounds like,
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Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like they don't even care. That's
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Speaker 1: what it sounds like to anybody outside. And also they've
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Speaker 1: been entrusted in her care. I'm sure the parents are
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Speaker 1: paying an awful lot of money for her to be there.
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Speaker 1: There's always that how could they not be concerned, even
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Speaker 1: from a legal standpoint, that they that they've lost this
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Speaker 1: little girl? You know what're you're so right, You're so
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Speaker 1: right about that. So many things to take into account
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Speaker 1: And to Chief Chris Buyer's former police chief John's Creek
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Speaker 1: now at Chris Buyers Investigations and polygraph dot Com, we
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Speaker 1: know that with every minute a child is missing, it
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Speaker 1: hurts the investigation. Just say she's in a car, that
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Speaker 1: somebody saw her on the side of the street and
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Speaker 1: grabbed her, which is I think a very distinct possibility
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Speaker 1: in this case. Every minute you got is another mile
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Speaker 1: if you go sixty miles an hour, And in those
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Speaker 1: first three hours, they're critical, Chief Buyers. Why they're so
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Speaker 1: critical because, I mean, those are the moments that you've got,
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Speaker 1: like you know, you're talking an hour and a half
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Speaker 1: year before law enforcement arrives. So the first thing they're
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Speaker 1: having to do is figure out how far could she
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Speaker 1: have gotten because they're wanting to put the perimeter there
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Speaker 1: and make it the proper size. Those moments are critical
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Speaker 1: because you're looking for I mean, you heard the chief
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Speaker 1: earlier in this says that they had two investigations going.
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Speaker 1: They had the search investigation going, but they also had
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Speaker 1: a criminal investigation going. Where at that point, you're looking
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Speaker 1: for you know, sexual predators in the area. You're getting
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Speaker 1: to their house. As you're going house to house searching,
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Speaker 1: you're checking you know, traffic cameras to see any of
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Speaker 1: the vehicles that were in the area, any tag readers,
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Speaker 1: doing interviews quickly because you've got a very small time
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Speaker 1: frame before harm can come to this child and you
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Speaker 1: need to get the resources in the right place quickly.
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Speaker 1: And waiting an hour and I have to call now
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Speaker 1: on one is just absolutely absurd. In this case, I
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Speaker 1: just think about this child potentially alive and someone's home.
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Speaker 1: What is happening to the child? Is she dead or alive?
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Speaker 1: If she's alive, who has her? Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Alexis de Villa with Black Hills Fox more than a
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Speaker 1: year and a half later and the whereabouts of Serenity
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Speaker 1: Denard are still up in the air despite the extensive
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Speaker 1: search from local and surrounding states law enforcement. That's why
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Speaker 1: the Gentries want a new set of eyes on the case.
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Speaker 1: We need somebody that isn't familiar with all of Serenity's family,
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Speaker 1: her friends. She has a very extensive family. Though the
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Speaker 1: Gentries made this decision together, Brian says Chad Denard, Serenity's
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Speaker 1: adoptive father, has reached out to the private investigator and
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Speaker 1: expects other family members to do so in the coming days.
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Speaker 1: It's not going to go cold. We won't allow that.
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Speaker 1: We've said that from the very beginning, and Darcy and
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Speaker 1: I did put this together after a lengthy conversation with
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Speaker 1: the investigator, that this was the right answer at this time.
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Speaker 1: The tipline regarding Serenity Denard six zero five three nine
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Speaker 1: four six to one one five repeat six five three
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Speaker 1: nine four six one one five. Let's turn our attention
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Speaker 1: to another missing child in the host that this will
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Speaker 1: be the year she's brought home a lot. I take
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Speaker 1: a listen. My name is Melissa kusse Um. If you're
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Speaker 1: gonna watch this video, please do not have the kids around.
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Speaker 1: Carly Lane Bussey is missing still she's been missing since
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Speaker 1: breathe m. She's been missing since six thirty am. The
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Speaker 1: last time that I spoke to her was by thirty.
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Speaker 1: She didn't take her cell phone. We're coming up on
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Speaker 1: ten hours crime stories with Nancy Grace the heartbreak, and
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Speaker 1: this mother's voice is raw and right at the surface
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Speaker 1: of every word she says. Melissa, you say, this is
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Speaker 1: carly stepmother taking to the airwaves to beg for help
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Speaker 1: finding her daughter. Straight out to Ray Kippeter, lead news
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Speaker 1: anchor w DBO, Ray, what happened, Well, this young girl,
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Speaker 1: she was She's living in California, and she had done
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Speaker 1: what a lot of kids do. She was going to
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Speaker 1: go out to a football game, or so her parents thought,
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Speaker 1: and she ended up going to a party. Carly was
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Speaker 1: off that night. According to her boyfriend Donald, she had
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Speaker 1: started to experience like delusional type of behavior. Said she
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Speaker 1: was afraid of the music and started to direct some
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Speaker 1: of that paranoia towards him. So being alarmed, you know,
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Speaker 1: he's kind of keeping a close eye on her, and
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Speaker 1: she basically says, I don't know where she wants to leave,
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Speaker 1: and in theio ratic behavior that Nancy something completely out
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Speaker 1: of the ordinary. So let me understand this, Ray Kiputero,
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Speaker 1: she starts at once she gets to this after the
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Speaker 1: game party, she starts acting oddly, as you said, paranoid
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Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics. Sounds to me like
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Speaker 1: something slipped, Someone slipped her something in her drink. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that is certainly a possibility you would need to entertain
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Speaker 1: if you're an investigator when you're trying to determine. So
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Speaker 1: what do we need to do first? Well, everybody that
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Speaker 1: was in her proximity at this party, they need to
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Speaker 1: be locked down, Nancy, statements need to be taken from
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Speaker 1: these are any kind of bad actors in this environment?
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Speaker 1: Is everybody's got a history of doing things like this,
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Speaker 1: you know, trying to slip something into somebody's strength, you know,
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Speaker 1: where they're trying to take advantage of someone, particularly a
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Speaker 1: young girl like this. So if you suddenly, let's just
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Speaker 1: say that suddenly, you know, she suddenly acts out in this,
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Speaker 1: you know, as he described in a paranoid way, whereas
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Speaker 1: you have no history of this kind of behavior. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is something that'd been ongoing and developing for a
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Speaker 1: protracted period of time. I'd say, yeah, maybe it's some
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Speaker 1: kind of mental problem, but just suddenly to start like this,
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Speaker 1: it's kind of an odd, odd bench. More. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to more of Melissa. You say, it's going on
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Speaker 1: ten hours that she's been missing, and I want to
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Speaker 1: put this on blast because I don't think she's out
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Speaker 1: in the desert. I think that she could have been
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Speaker 1: abducted or taken, because we do live by a highway
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Speaker 1: and it happens. And I'm being real and I just
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Speaker 1: want to let everybody know, Alicia, you're calling me, are
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Speaker 1: you watching the video? She's not watching the video. That's okay.
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Speaker 1: I want to put this on blast because I don't
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Speaker 1: know what to do to consider her a missing person.
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Speaker 1: You can't do an Amberler because she didn't leave in
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Speaker 1: a car, and I don't have a physical description of
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Speaker 1: a view cool. Now here comes a very significant inconsistency.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Melissa Goose seven, about one hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifteen pounds. She has blue eyes and the cutest
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Speaker 1: little nose and a great smile, and her hair goes
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Speaker 1: all the way down past her like to her belly
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Speaker 1: you let's say midwaiste. And she left in her jeans
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Speaker 1: and a T shirt. So I'm pointing out there and
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Speaker 1: just go for it. Everybody help me out here. I
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Speaker 1: love you all. Everybody, please watch share your friends share,
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Speaker 1: my friends share. Everybody's just shared the out of it.
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Speaker 1: All right, thank you. Now we're hearing the last known
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Speaker 1: clothing in a physical description. But then listen to what
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Speaker 1: Melissa you say tails now mate, your Facebook lite, you
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Speaker 1: said that she was wearing jeans. I think, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: only said that because she always wears her skinny jeans,
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Speaker 1: So I just assumed that she had her skinny jeans on.
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Speaker 1: Would she have worn blue jeans to bed? I had
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Speaker 1: picked her up and she had her skinny jeans on?
23:22
Speaker 1: I know, But I mean when you were in bed
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Speaker 1: with her at five forty five am, did she still
23:26
Speaker 1: have on her jeans? No? Okay, So yeah, a T
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Speaker 1: shirt and just her underwear. Okay, let me understand because
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Speaker 1: in the Facebook live, I'm trying to get the description
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Speaker 1: of what she had on the last time you saw
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Speaker 1: her out there. So in the Facebook last time I
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Speaker 1: saw her in our home, she only had a T
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Speaker 1: shirt and her undergarment. Okay. Then that Facebook live that
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Speaker 1: she blasted out saying look for her in the skinny jeans.
23:58
Speaker 1: What what are we supposed to do with that? Yeah,
24:00
Speaker 1: that's not right. Well, yeah, I was in a panic.
24:05
Speaker 1: Now before we give nefarious intentions on the stepmother, if
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Speaker 1: the now I understand, Ray Kiputo, the daughter wasn't last
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Speaker 1: saying running down the street with a boyfriend. She had
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Speaker 1: been picked up by her stepmother and brought back home,
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Speaker 1: and the stepmom had gotten in bed with her. It
24:24
Speaker 1: was around five am in the morning. But then she
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Speaker 1: goes missing, so the stepmom probably assumes she had put
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Speaker 1: on her skinny jeans and went missing. It's a lot
24:36
Speaker 1: different from being paranoid at a party. This young girl
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Speaker 1: goes missing from her own home. Am I correct, Ray Kiputo? Yes,
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Speaker 1: who are Nancy? That's exactly what happened. She wasn't missing
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Speaker 1: from She wouldn't missing right out of her own bed,
24:48
Speaker 1: you know. And you figured that everything that had happened
24:50
Speaker 1: that night, you know, is there's so much could have
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Speaker 1: went wrong. But this young girl found herself safely back
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Speaker 1: at home, and that's really where a lot of this
24:58
Speaker 1: tragedy started. Straight to Daphne Young, VP of Communication is
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Speaker 1: a prevention education and one of our longtime partners Childhelp
25:08
Speaker 1: DOT org Daphne, what do you make of This is
25:11
Speaker 1: a complex case because you have this young woman who
25:14
Speaker 1: comes home and I believe there's a little piece of
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Speaker 1: the story where her mother films her stepmother films her
25:22
Speaker 1: or records her in some way I guess in a
25:26
Speaker 1: parental sense, wanting to play that back to her. Right, Listen,
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Speaker 1: how you sounded? Did you take drugs? You know, a
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Speaker 1: parent might do that to try to teach a lesson.
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Speaker 1: But one of the things that we do at Childhelp
25:36
Speaker 1: is we do forensic interviews, and when we're dealing with
25:39
Speaker 1: families and crisis at one of our advocacy centers, one
25:42
Speaker 1: of the things we look for is inconsistencies and stories.
25:46
Speaker 1: We have a big social media presence here and it
25:49
Speaker 1: can be a great tool to help spread the words,
25:51
Speaker 1: but it can also spread disinformation. It can be used
25:54
Speaker 1: as a tool to try to perhaps plead or make
25:57
Speaker 1: your case, and sometimes can even hamper law enforcement efforts.
26:02
Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on here above and beyond
26:06
Speaker 1: what happened at that party, And my concern is what
26:08
Speaker 1: happened at that house that night. Now, there were reports
26:13
Speaker 1: that Carly Gusset was recognized at White Mountain Estate Road
26:19
Speaker 1: Route six on Mono County, California. But take a listen
26:26
Speaker 1: to our friend Ryan Cannaday katiev N. It's been two
26:30
Speaker 1: years since a Mono County teenager disappeared, and the FBI
26:33
Speaker 1: and Mono County investigators are still looking for her. Carly
26:37
Speaker 1: Gousse disappeared from Bishop, California on October thirteenth and twenty eighteen.
26:42
Speaker 1: FBI investigators say she left her home in the morning
26:44
Speaker 1: and then left her things behind, including her cell phone.
26:48
Speaker 1: In a video released by the FBI today, Gousse's father
26:51
Speaker 1: said he'd give anything to see her again. I'd give
26:55
Speaker 1: my whole body, old body and soul. I'd give it
27:01
Speaker 1: all up just to have her home. Say. The tip
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Speaker 1: line in the search for Carly, you say is nine
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Speaker 1: one six seven four to six seven thousand. Repeat nine
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Speaker 1: one six seven four six seven thousand. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Will this be the year that another little
27:34
Speaker 1: girl finds her way home? Little two year old Mara
27:38
Speaker 1: Lewis listen, passionate please from the father of a missing
27:44
Speaker 1: two year old. Just imagine the pain of a loved
27:49
Speaker 1: one being gone, and just for her to come home.
27:52
Speaker 1: We would love to have her home. Family members say
27:54
Speaker 1: they think someone kidnapped baby Mara. The toddler disappeared Saturday
27:58
Speaker 1: morning after her mother says she left her with her
28:01
Speaker 1: older sisters, but when she came back, the two year
28:04
Speaker 1: old was gone. We pray that they will have the
28:07
Speaker 1: compassion and love to release her, whether she take They
28:12
Speaker 1: take her to a police department or to Wow wherever
28:16
Speaker 1: you need to take her to this so you can
28:18
Speaker 1: be home. Gregory Lewis is the girl's father. He says
28:21
Speaker 1: he noticed Mara missing around noon, but he says his
28:23
Speaker 1: other kids told him Mara was with their mother. They
28:27
Speaker 1: only realized she was gone when his wife came home
28:30
Speaker 1: around three PM. That's when family members began a frantic
28:34
Speaker 1: search all around the house. At four pm, they called
28:37
Speaker 1: nine one one, you were hearing our friend and Tammy
28:39
Speaker 1: Esther at Channel sixteen wapt straight out to Ray Kippet,
28:44
Speaker 1: a lady news anchor WDBA, what happened, Well, little Myers,
28:47
Speaker 1: she's two years old. She's playing on in front of
28:49
Speaker 1: her house like a lot of kids do, and it
28:51
Speaker 1: seems like there was this communication between the parents. Nancy.
28:54
Speaker 1: We hear about this when we hear these tragic hot
28:56
Speaker 1: card dusts where parents to space, but it seemed like
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Speaker 1: this case, maybe it was a little less irresponsible. Mom
29:03
Speaker 1: thought that the little girl was with dad in the house.
29:06
Speaker 1: Dad thought that the little girl was with mom, and
29:07
Speaker 1: before they know what, hours have passed and this precious
29:10
Speaker 1: little two year old girls missing. I don't quite understand
29:13
Speaker 1: the confusion about what happened. The FBI offering a twenty
29:17
Speaker 1: thousand dollar reward in the search for a two year
29:20
Speaker 1: old girl who seemingly vanishes into thin air. She goes
29:25
Speaker 1: missing near the families Camden, Mississippi home. Joining me an
29:30
Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it
29:32
Speaker 1: back together again. First of all, to you, Daphne Young,
29:35
Speaker 1: VP Communications Prevention Education at Childhelp dot Org. Way In, Well,
29:40
Speaker 1: this is a tough one because we have a family struggling.
29:43
Speaker 1: We know some of the details of the case condemned housing,
29:47
Speaker 1: and at Childhelp during this pandemic, we've seen a forty
29:51
Speaker 1: three percent increase in calls to our hotline from desperate
29:55
Speaker 1: families that are struggling food and secure, looking for housing,
29:59
Speaker 1: losing their jobs. So when I hear about a family
30:01
Speaker 1: like this that's teetering on the edge and it definitely
30:04
Speaker 1: has some economic issues, and concern. I'm so worried about
30:07
Speaker 1: the judgment that goes out to parents like this who
30:10
Speaker 1: are just struggling to make it happen. And when you're
30:12
Speaker 1: under undue stress, these little mistakes can happen. Right I
30:17
Speaker 1: think you're with mom. No, I thought you were in
30:18
Speaker 1: the house with dad. And then those moments in between,
30:21
Speaker 1: when you're being judged, when you're being questioned, are so difficult,
30:26
Speaker 1: and it breaks my heart to think that this could
30:28
Speaker 1: have been a tragic accident that spanned hours and what
30:33
Speaker 1: happened during those hours? Was there a predator? A vulnerable
30:37
Speaker 1: family is often in a vulnerable community, and where do
30:40
Speaker 1: predators go looking for prey in desperate situations? You know,
30:44
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to analyze what we know about this
30:47
Speaker 1: little girl. Myra lewis just two years old and disappearance.
30:52
Speaker 1: I know that she goes, according to reports, missing from
30:57
Speaker 1: outside the family home there in Camden, where she was
31:01
Speaker 1: sitting outside playing with her sister outdoors. How many times
31:07
Speaker 1: have children gone missing from outside? I'll never forget the
31:11
Speaker 1: case of Samantha running It became friends of sorts with
31:16
Speaker 1: her mother, Aaron, who went on to be a victim's
31:19
Speaker 1: rights advocate for children. Samantha was playing outside in the
31:23
Speaker 1: front yard of a grandmother's home with other children. The
31:27
Speaker 1: grandmother had eyes on Samantha. A car pulls up, a
31:33
Speaker 1: guy gets Samantha and takes off as grandma runs outdoors.
31:37
Speaker 1: It was too late. Samantha was killed within a couple
31:41
Speaker 1: of hours. And isn't it true to Wendy Patrick, California
31:46
Speaker 1: prosecutor that in the first three hours is when we
31:50
Speaker 1: often discover a child has been killed. Absolutely, you know,
31:53
Speaker 1: that's why every second counts. It's that window of opportunity
31:57
Speaker 1: that everybody has to leap into search and reskew mode.
32:00
Speaker 1: It is unusual to Danish without a trace. People don't
32:03
Speaker 1: disappear into thin air. And a child is young, it's
32:06
Speaker 1: two years old. That job doesn't strategize the runaway. Do
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Speaker 1: they wander off. It's usually more likely an adult comes
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Speaker 1: in and facilitates whatever it isn't happened. It's a kidnapping,
32:17
Speaker 1: it's an abduction. It's something that somebody usually sees a
32:21
Speaker 1: part of. So that's what makes this instance so unusual. Nancy, guys,
32:25
Speaker 1: take a listen to Andrew Kinsey wapt Jally, A dozen
32:28
Speaker 1: members of the MHP Special WHAPS Team fanned out across
32:31
Speaker 1: the woods in North Madison County. They specialize in search
32:34
Speaker 1: and also in tracking tracking experts circling around two year
32:39
Speaker 1: old Myra Lewis's home in Camden. The group is made
32:42
Speaker 1: up of the troopers from across the state. They spent
32:44
Speaker 1: Wednesday coming through miles of brush show on foot training
32:47
Speaker 1: to do that, and so they go through there with
32:50
Speaker 1: a certain particular grid that they go through in a
32:53
Speaker 1: certain procedure they follow to try and search as thoroughly
32:56
Speaker 1: as possible. And the search around this rural home on
32:59
Speaker 1: Mount Pilgrim Road. It started Saturday after Myra's parents called
33:02
Speaker 1: nine one one to report her missing. Her parents last
33:06
Speaker 1: saw lat on that morning. Since then, multiple law enforcement agencies,
33:11
Speaker 1: including the FBI, have joined the massive hunt. You know
33:15
Speaker 1: is jumping out at me to Foreign Police Chief John's Creek,
33:19
Speaker 1: Chris Buyer's investigations, and polygraph dot com Chief Buyers that
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Speaker 1: she goes missing between ten and eleven a m. That's
33:28
Speaker 1: a very rare to go missing in broad daylight in
33:31
Speaker 1: the morning hours. Statistically, Yeah, absolutely, I was just thinking
33:35
Speaker 1: that as well, looking at some statistics here, that is
33:38
Speaker 1: extremely rare, and so I think that just moves to
33:42
Speaker 1: even intensify the unknowns in this case. Straight out to you,
33:47
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author,
33:52
Speaker 1: what do you do with a scene like this? Where
33:54
Speaker 1: do you even start? Well, I gotta tell you, Nancy,
33:56
Speaker 1: the first thing what really strikes me about this case
33:58
Speaker 1: is that she was in fact in the front yard.
34:01
Speaker 1: And there have been cases where where children have been
34:05
Speaker 1: snatched like this, and so what do you look for? Well,
34:07
Speaker 1: the first thing you're going to look for is traveled routes.
34:12
Speaker 1: If there is a home road right in front of
34:14
Speaker 1: the house, who's going up and down that road? You know,
34:17
Speaker 1: nowadays we have more and more homes that have ring
34:20
Speaker 1: cameras and those sorts of things. Did they collect that data?
34:24
Speaker 1: Do we have any eyewitnesses on the scene that may
34:26
Speaker 1: have seen a suspicious vehicle going by? Because let me
34:28
Speaker 1: tell you something, Nancy, if you're talking about a predator
34:32
Speaker 1: that would snatch a child this age, this is something
34:35
Speaker 1: that they would be. They're like hunters. They're going to
34:37
Speaker 1: go out into a particular area and look for a child.
34:41
Speaker 1: They might not be local. And keep in mind, this
34:43
Speaker 1: area of the state is actually split into You've got
34:46
Speaker 1: twenty down to the south, and in addition to that,
34:49
Speaker 1: you've also got I fifty five over to the west,
34:53
Speaker 1: so you've got two major thoroughfares that are running through there.
34:56
Speaker 1: Maybe they're just kind of trolling through this area looking
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Speaker 1: for young victims to kind of spear it off with,
35:02
Speaker 1: unless people are thinking that maybe she just wandered away
35:05
Speaker 1: from the house, which for a two year old, they're
35:07
Speaker 1: not going to get too far, you know. I was
35:09
Speaker 1: just thinking that Canada, Mississippi sounds so much like where
35:12
Speaker 1: I grew up, literally out in the middle of nowhere,
35:14
Speaker 1: and who's going to be driving by to grab her, well,
35:18
Speaker 1: some unknown as sound. Let me just point out what
35:20
Speaker 1: happened to Shasta and Dylan grownie in cord delayne Idaho
35:24
Speaker 1: and the middle of nowhere. They were near an interstate,
35:27
Speaker 1: like Joe Scott is just telling you about I twenty,
35:29
Speaker 1: and a guy looks over off the interstate and sees
35:32
Speaker 1: Shasta playing at an above ground pool, did not know
35:35
Speaker 1: the family at all, pulls off the interstate, waits, goes in,
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Speaker 1: kills the whole family takes Shasta and little brother Dylan
35:43
Speaker 1: molests them, ultimately kills Dylan and Shasta is saved. My
35:48
Speaker 1: point is anything could have happened to this little, too
35:53
Speaker 1: year old girl, but what can we do about it.
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Speaker 1: What we can do about it is continue to look
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Speaker 1: for this girl. Myra Lewis the tip line six zero
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Speaker 1: one eight five nine two three four five repeat six
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Speaker 1: is zero one eight five nine two three four five.
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Speaker 1: I wish you all a happy and wonderful and blessed
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Speaker 1: new year, but please don't forget those children waiting to
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Speaker 1: be brought home. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Happy
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Speaker 1: New Year, goodbye friend