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“Vote Save The Greek.” (LIVE from LA!) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: What's up, Los Angeles? Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jamel Hill.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Jon Lovett. I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: Happy birthday to Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: This is what you always wanted for your birthday?
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  Speaker 3: Attention.
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  Speaker 5: Attention.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Dan.
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  Speaker 3: Almost the amount I need to feel happy.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the news.
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  Speaker 6: We are six months out from the Iowa caucuses and
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  Speaker 6: the unofficial Labor Day kickoff of the presidential primary is
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  Speaker 6: right around the corner. This is a time when most
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  Speaker 6: voters start paying attention, start making up their minds. Here's
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  Speaker 6: where the race stands. Joe Biden remains the front runner
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  Speaker 6: with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders right behind him. Kamala
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  Speaker 6: Harris and Pete Buttigieg right behind them. Cory Booker and
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  Speaker 6: Beto O'Rourke right behind them. And another 3,000 or so
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  Speaker 6: candidates right behind them. So the race has been largely
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  Speaker 6: stable since it began, but we're heading into a fall
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  Speaker 6: that includes more campaigning, more television ads, a smaller debate stage,
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  Speaker 6: and news this week that the economy may be headed
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  Speaker 6: towards an economic downturn or a recession. Dan, you have
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  Speaker 6: some people saying, it's early, anything can happen, and then
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  Speaker 6: you have other people who say, eh, it's actually not
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  Speaker 6: that early. Which is closer to the truth about where
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  Speaker 6: this race is right now? How fluid is it? What
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  Speaker 6: does history tell us about what we can know about
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  Speaker 6: a primary race at the end of August?
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  Speaker 3: Which objective judgment is true, Dan?
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  Speaker 4: I thought that was a great summary of American punditry
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  Speaker 4: right there. I mean, history says that we have a
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  Speaker 4: lot can happen in front of us, right? At this
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  Speaker 4: point in 2008, the leaders in the polls in the
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  Speaker 4: Democratic primary was Hillary Clinton by 30 points. And in
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  Speaker 4: the Republican primary, it was Rudy Giuliani by double digits.
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  Speaker 4: And so a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot can't... You know, Giuliani ended up in greener pastures.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you boo him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Giuliani's in Kiev with a magnifying glass.
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  Speaker 4: Just calling into Chris Cuomo repeatedly. So history suggests a
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  Speaker 4: lot can change. What I've been really struck by in
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  Speaker 4: this race is the point you made, which is that
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  Speaker 4: it has been incredibly stable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: With the exception of Elizabeth Warren, Eclipse, and Bernie Sanders
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  Speaker 4: for second in the polls, the race has stayed... That's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of applause for second place. The polls have
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  Speaker 4: stayed basically the same since the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And there's very little undecided vote. So for this to change...
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  Speaker 4: The candidates, I think, who are at the bottom of the,
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  Speaker 4: sort of the middle tier, the ones you mentioned, are
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  Speaker 4: going to have to get to work right now to
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  Speaker 4: change the dynamics of the race.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, if you don't, if you're a candidate who
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  Speaker 6: doesn't make the debate stage in September, where nine candidates,
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  Speaker 6: I believe, have qualified so far, and there's another two
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  Speaker 6: or three on the edge, do you think that's it,
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  Speaker 6: or what?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, honestly? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's be honest. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: It's just us here.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of us, yeah. Is anyone listening? Yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 6: Tommy, you just spent a few days in Iowa. Which
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  Speaker 6: candidates are... Yeah, cheer for Tommy in Iowa. Cheer for
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  Speaker 6: Tommy being in the state of Iowa.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of your Instagram followers here tonight.
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  Speaker 1: I'm learning a new medium.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was a shout-out for Iowa.
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  Speaker 6: Which candidates are impressing Iowans right now, and which candidates
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  Speaker 6: have the most impressive organizations right now?
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  Speaker 7: So I was there for like four days. I saw Bernie,
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  Speaker 7: de Blasio, Pete, Michael Bennett. I hung out with the
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  Speaker 7: staffs of Warren, Booker, and Beto. The things that I
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  Speaker 7: took away from my trip there was, one, like in 2016,
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  Speaker 7: you were either a Hillary person or a Bernie people,
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  Speaker 7: and there was no cross-pollination. It was ultimately like a
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  Speaker 7: turnout election, which is weird for the caucuses. This time,
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  Speaker 7: everyone's getting a look, and they're going to lots of events.
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  Speaker 7: I went to a house party hosted by undecided voters
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  Speaker 7: for the Booker campaign. Try to figure out if you
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  Speaker 7: would spend an hour of your life doing that on
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  Speaker 7: a Wednesday. But the thing that really stuck out to
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  Speaker 7: me was the degree to which the national news narrative
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  Speaker 7: was critical this time around. Because when we were in
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  Speaker 7: Iowa in 2008, George W. Bush was a thing of
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  Speaker 7: the past. You could bet on hope. You could be
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  Speaker 7: excited about your nominee. Now it's just existential dread about
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  Speaker 7: what's coming next. So people are Everything they talk about
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  Speaker 7: is through the prism of electability. So I have to
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  Speaker 7: say Warren's field staff was incredibly impressive. If you talk
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  Speaker 7: to people who sort of spend more time than I
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  Speaker 7: did there, they say that Cory Booker is actually building
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  Speaker 7: a good field team. You haven't seen it manifested in
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  Speaker 7: the polls yet, but they have some time. Mayor Pete
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  Speaker 7: had some huge crowds on a Tuesday at the steak fair.
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  Speaker 1: We walked around. We ate pork chops on a stick.
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  Speaker 1: We talked.
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  Speaker 7: But, you know, look, the story of Iowa is it
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  Speaker 7: can ultimately be wide open because of the need for
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  Speaker 7: retail politics. But it's just harder this time because you
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  Speaker 7: can have a candidate in your living room, but if
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  Speaker 7: you don't see them on Maddow the night before, maybe
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  Speaker 7: you're not thinking they have a chance.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Jamel, you wrote a piece in June about how Trump
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  Speaker 6: has killed Democratic voters' sense of what's possible. And this
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  Speaker 6: is like what Tommy was talking about. It's about electability.
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  Speaker 6: What did you mean by that? And Looking at the
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  Speaker 6: race today versus when you wrote the piece in June,
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  Speaker 6: do you think it's still true?
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  Speaker 8: No, I think it's definitely true. And I think Joe Biden,
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  Speaker 8: the fact that he's a frontrunner, speaks to that truth.
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  Speaker 8: And I feel like every time I talk about this
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  Speaker 8: electability issue, which is very annoying and it's a nuisance,
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  Speaker 8: that people feel like I'm unnecessarily banging on Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not.
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  Speaker 8: But I think when you dig deeper and you talk
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  Speaker 8: to people about a lot of the reasons why they
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  Speaker 8: support him, it's not because he has the best ideas.
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  Speaker 2: It's not because he has the best policies.
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  Speaker 8: It's because they look at him as being an old
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  Speaker 8: white dude, and who better to beat another old white
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  Speaker 8: dude than an old white dude?
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  Speaker 2: So it's kind of a.
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  Speaker 4: You've got to fight fire with fire.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 8: So to them, this is Captain America picking up Thor's hammer.
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  Speaker 2: Spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: You should have seen the movie.
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  Speaker 3: But.
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  Speaker 8: But no, I mean, I think this is what's frustrating
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  Speaker 8: for me to watch because I think that part of
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  Speaker 8: what can be very invigorating and exhilarating about the political
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  Speaker 8: process is energy, is new ideas, is, you know, hearing,
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  Speaker 8: you know, from different people and a thought process, a
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  Speaker 8: critical thinking process that happens. And I feel like that
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  Speaker 8: part of politics has been squelched. And there's been so
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  Speaker 8: much focus on how to beat Donald Trump that it
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  Speaker 8: has killed the sense of the possibles.
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  Speaker 2: It's like if the.
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  Speaker 8: Reason you're not going to vote for Elizabeth Warren or
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  Speaker 8: Kamala Harris or Pete Buttigieg or Cory Booker is because
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  Speaker 8: your only reason is, well, I don't think they can
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  Speaker 8: beat Trump, then Trump has already won. Because you're supposed
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  Speaker 8: to be voting for people who can help change and
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  Speaker 8: better the country. And if you're not doing that, you're
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  Speaker 8: part of the problem. And so that's why I wrote
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  Speaker 8: about I don't like to give him credit for much,
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  Speaker 8: but unfortunately, I think that's what he's stolen from a
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  Speaker 8: lot of people.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's something very real there, which is the
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  Speaker 4: PTSD for Democrats of losing in 2016, which makes us
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  Speaker 4: play not to lose instead of play to win. And
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  Speaker 4: that is, in sports and in politics, a terrible strategy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, love it.
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  Speaker 6: So the New York Times wrote a piece this week
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  Speaker 6: about Warren, about the electability thing again. If you're sitting
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  Speaker 6: in the Warren campaign, what do you do about sort
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  Speaker 6: of this electability thing that continues to hang out there?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think it's a good question. And I
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  Speaker 3: actually think it goes to what Jamel is saying, which is, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you can make an electability argument. I actually believe she
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  Speaker 3: started to do that. And there was an argument she
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  Speaker 3: made in the last debate which went, you trust me
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  Speaker 3: on all these policy matters. Trust me when I say
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  Speaker 3: I can win. You think I'm smart. You think I
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  Speaker 3: know what I want to do as president. Trust me
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  Speaker 3: that I've thought this all the way through. And I
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  Speaker 3: think there's value to that. But really what we're talking
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  Speaker 3: about is pain. There's so much pain. And I think
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  Speaker 3: people are trepidatious about the field. I think they're nervous
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  Speaker 3: about who to pick. Because there's so much trauma from 2016,
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  Speaker 3: as Dan said. And I think speaking to electability is
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  Speaker 3: really speaking to that deeper sense of hurt that people feel.
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  Speaker 3: That they don't understand their country.
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  Speaker 4: They don't understand.
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  Speaker 3: how someone like Trump could get close to the White House.
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  Speaker 3: And so we come back to that same question we've
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  Speaker 3: been talking about for months, which is who can speak
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  Speaker 3: to the fundamental fear and crisis of this moment that
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  Speaker 3: goes beyond just economics, that goes beyond just electability, that
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  Speaker 3: goes to what kind of country we're going to live in,
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  Speaker 3: what's going to happen to our democracy, what we're going
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  Speaker 3: to do to attack the political rot, the cultural rot,
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  Speaker 3: and the pain that people feel. And I think Any
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  Speaker 3: candidate currently running in Iowa who finds a way to
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  Speaker 3: really make that their case will do better for it,
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  Speaker 3: whether they're trying to beat Joe Biden on electability or
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  Speaker 3: trying to I don't know, eat a pork chop.
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  Speaker 7: You know what's weird, funny about that, is like ultimately
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  Speaker 7: every stump speech feels like a greatest hits album, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because you hear it so many times.
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  Speaker 7: But I saw Bernie at the fair and it felt like.
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  Speaker 1: A throwback album. It was like a TBT, right?
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  Speaker 7: Which is interesting because he's consistent in But I do
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  Speaker 7: wonder if people are, like, if you went and saw
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  Speaker 7: Chance and you only played coloring book, it'd be a
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  Speaker 7: good show.
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  Speaker 1: But you'd be like, the culture has moved on. Like,
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  Speaker 1: where are the new hits? Groceries is fine. Right?
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  Speaker 7: But, like, what are you telling me about today? And, like,
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  Speaker 7: I would worry if I were him a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's an important.
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  Speaker 3: You come along with Tommy on his analogies. You follow
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  Speaker 3: him wherever he goes.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't like chance, I can't help you.
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  Speaker 4: I think just as a historical reminder, is that at
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  Speaker 4: this point in 2007... No one thought Barack Obama was electable.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say, we had the same electability problem.
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  Speaker 4: And the thing that changed that was winning the Iowa caucus.
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  Speaker 4: Winning elections.
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  Speaker 6: Which is what Elizabeth Warren said this week, too. She's like,
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  Speaker 6: winning is the best way to alleviate concerns about electability.
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  Speaker 1: It's literally the only way to define an indefinable term.
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  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: It's all bullshit until people actually vote.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I will say, though, in 2007, people were worried about
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  Speaker 6: taking a risk on Barack Obama. And they thought that
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  Speaker 6: Hillary Clinton was the more electable candidate because she was
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  Speaker 6: more experienced. I think people in 2008 were a little
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  Speaker 6: bit more willing to take a risk because, like Tommy said,
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  Speaker 6: George W. Bush was not going to be president again,
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  Speaker 6: and so people had this sense of possibility. You made
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  Speaker 6: a really great point in your piece, Jamel, which is
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  Speaker 6: for a lot of voters, you talked about especially African-American voters,
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  Speaker 6: they're going to be very pragmatic about this choice because
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  Speaker 6: Donald Trump winning a second term represents a real existential
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  Speaker 6: threat to our country, to people's lives, and so I
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  Speaker 6: do think that fear sort of pervades this electorate in
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  Speaker 6: a way that it hasn't in a long time.
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  Speaker 8: Not just fear, but also dread. I think part of
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  Speaker 8: the reason, and this is what I mean about this
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  Speaker 8: stolen sense of optimism that is very disappointing to kind
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  Speaker 8: of witness is, as you pointed out, if you believe, again,
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  Speaker 8: Elizabeth Warren has, and I'm just using her as an example,
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  Speaker 8: but if you believe these candidates really have good ideas,
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  Speaker 8: but it comes back to everybody realizing thinking deep down
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  Speaker 8: in the places they don't want to talk about, oh,
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  Speaker 8: we'll never elect a woman. We'll never elect another black president.
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  Speaker 8: That is what is keeping people back. And I think
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  Speaker 8: one of the really sad things about oppression and racism
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  Speaker 8: and all those other things is that you eventually adopt
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  Speaker 8: the mindset of the people who exercise those principles. So
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  Speaker 8: black people in many ways are, because Joe Biden carries
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  Speaker 8: the largest black support of any candidate but part of
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  Speaker 8: the thinking of why that is the case is because
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  Speaker 8: they also have adopted this thinking that leadership the only
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  Speaker 8: leadership that will be electable in this country is white
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  Speaker 8: leadership and that's kind of sad to see that being
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  Speaker 8: stolen from people not being able to believe that we
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  Speaker 8: can have leadership that looks different in this country if
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  Speaker 8: we did it you know just literally a few years
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  Speaker 8: ago why couldn't we do it again but that's just
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  Speaker 8: how deep-seated this pain really is.
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  Speaker 3: And I also think it's worth remembering, too, that what
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  Speaker 3: electability is, is thinking to yourself, what will other people think?
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  Speaker 3: It's what is someone else going to do in that
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  Speaker 3: voting booth? It's saying, I want people to judge. I
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  Speaker 3: want Cory Booker. I want Kamala Harris. But after what
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  Speaker 3: I saw before, based on what I'm seeing now, I
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  Speaker 3: don't trust my fellow citizens anymore. I don't trust them anymore.
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  Speaker 3: because of someone like Donald Trump getting close to the
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  Speaker 3: Oval Office. And I don't understand how you overcome that mistrust,
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  Speaker 3: because in some ways it's legitimate. It's a legitimate fear.
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  Speaker 3: This is the most important presidential election in history.
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  Speaker 7: The New York Times did a piece about these concerns
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  Speaker 7: about Elizabeth Warren, and someone quoted in the piece said,
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  Speaker 7: if it were up to me, I'd vote for Warren.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it is up to you.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, you're going to the fucking polling booth. Well, so
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  Speaker 6: here's the good news about this. I think Warren and
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  Speaker 6: all the candidates, Warren, Kamala... every candidate who's not the
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  Speaker 6: front runner, who's not Joe Biden, have played it really
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  Speaker 6: well because they don't, with the exception of Bernie Sanders,
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  Speaker 6: who does talk about electability quite a bit, they don't
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  Speaker 6: actually talk about electability a lot, they just show it.
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  Speaker 6: And I think the best thing, the way to overcome
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  Speaker 6: electability is to show that you're electable and not tell.
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  Speaker 1: And there was polling this.
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  Speaker 6: Week that shows that 57% of Democrats are now saying
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  Speaker 6: that Warren can probably beat Trump, and that's up from 14,
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  Speaker 6: that's up 14 points in students. And, you know, Biden
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  Speaker 6: is still in the lead with 65%, but that number
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  Speaker 6: hasn't changed over the last couple of months, and Warren's
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  Speaker 6: is actually rising a little bit, and so, you know,
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  Speaker 6: she might be doing something right there. I do want
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  Speaker 6: to talk about Joe Biden. He's had a relatively light
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  Speaker 6: schedule in August, and some allies are reportedly advising his
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  Speaker 6: campaign to scale back his appearances in order to reduce
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  Speaker 6: his gaffes.
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  Speaker 1: Dan, is this smart?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's a.
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  Speaker 6: Now, the campaign says this is not true, we should say,
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  Speaker 6: but that's what was reported.
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  Speaker 4: It If there were people who were advising him to
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  Speaker 4: do that, they should not do that. And if those
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  Speaker 4: people advising him are telling the press they're advising him,
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  Speaker 4: those are bad advisors. But I think, to be fair
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  Speaker 4: to Joe Biden on two points, we have known Joe
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  Speaker 4: Biden a long time. We have a lot of great
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  Speaker 4: personal affection for Joe Biden. We worked with him. the
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  Speaker 4: fact that he is making gaffes or making verbal misstatements
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  Speaker 4: is not something that is necessarily related to his age.
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  Speaker 4: This has been part of his... I'm not being mean
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  Speaker 4: about it. He is someone who.
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  Speaker 1: That's funny people will take that as a backhanded compliment.
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  Speaker 4: But it's a real one. That is something he has
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  Speaker 4: done for a long time. He has actually, for much
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  Speaker 4: of his career, turned that into a political strength as
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  Speaker 4: an example of his authenticity and that he speaks off
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  Speaker 4: the cuff and not off a teleprompter. But I think
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  Speaker 4: that his light schedule has more to do with the
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  Speaker 4: fact that his campaign is dependent on big money fundraisers
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  Speaker 4: than online fundraising. He has to leave Iowa to come
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  Speaker 4: to LA and San Francisco and New York to raise
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  Speaker 4: money because he does not have the grassroots fundraising base
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  Speaker 4: of all these other candidates. Like there's a story in
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  Speaker 4: the New York Times which said his five best online
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  Speaker 4: fundraising days of this campaign were in his first week.
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  Speaker 4: So Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris to
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  Speaker 4: a lesser extent can stay in Iowa and New Hampshire
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  Speaker 4: and campaign because they can raise money online. He's got
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  Speaker 4: to leave to raise money the old-fashioned way.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he can't even repeat his own website, right?
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  Speaker 1: But you know what?
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  Speaker 7: That's going to make his online fundraising tough.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though. That's Joe Biden, right?
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  Speaker 6: And I think that his campaign has to make him
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  Speaker 6: as available as possible to the press, do as many
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  Speaker 6: events as possible. The only way out is through for him.
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: I think he's gotta be out there, and he's gotta
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: lean into the gas, right? This is me, I say
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: things wrong a lot, I screw up, that sort of thing.
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: But you know me, you love me, you know who
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: I am, you know where my heart is. I think
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: he has to be The more he sort of pulls
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: back because he's worried about the gaffes, I think the
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: worse it is for him.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: It's the same thing with the age, right? The best
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: politicians turn their weaknesses into strengths. And his age is
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: right now a political weakness, but his experience could be
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: a strength that he can bill it as both that
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: experience is the best way to beat Trump and the
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: best way to bring stability and security back to this country.
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: The age question is important because I don't think we
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: all talk about it as openly and honestly as we
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: might in the media, but I was sitting there across
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: from a like a 70-year-old woman who is saying, I
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: don't think that I should be president.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I think someone younger than me should do it.
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: And I do think that a lot of the questions
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: about gaffes or misstatements or slowing down are proxies for
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: this age question. You don't hear that about people who
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: are just a few years younger than him.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Or Bernie who's older. Bernie Sanders or Warren.
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: Who does not seem like someone who's 70 years old
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: by any stretch.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it comes down to, does he seem
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: too old?
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Does he seem too old to be president? and the
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: thing is, it's not just about winning the primary, and
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe you can win the primary by
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: scaling back events and by trying to minimize gaps by
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: doing less things, but I don't think, well, whatever the
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: case is, the point is not to win the primary,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: the point is to win the presidency, and Donald Trump
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: is a, you know, a fearsome adversary. He is going
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: to make, he's going to stand in front of a
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: microphone in front of his audience of fellow Americans for
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: two hours, and he is going to ramble inconsistently and incoherently,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: and he is going to make lots of vicious negative
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: attacks that are going to blanket across the news. He's
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: going to feed off of that energy, and he's going
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: to do it every day, and he's going to sit
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: on top of an incredibly sophisticated political organization backed by
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: billionaires and the Republican National Committee. That is going to
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: require somebody who is going to be able to... And
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: the Russians. And the Russians. As if this part of
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: the game wasn't hard enough. And we're going to need
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: somebody who's able to go toe-to-toe with that person every
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: single day, ready to fight him every single day. And
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: so if Biden.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: So if Biden wants this story to go away, he
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: needs to campaign hard every single day, and he'll have
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: to do it no matter what.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: I will just say, Lovett, what you just said is
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: the reason for all of us not to completely throw
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: away the idea of electability. Because what you just did
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: is you made an electability argument against Joe Biden.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: And I'm just saying, like, there has become a thing
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: like we shouldn't talk about electability.
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: No.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: The problem is that it's hard to judge electability.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: But we're not talking about electability.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: But I'm not saying... I'm saying these things because I'm
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: talking about what a candidate will or will not do
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: on the campaign trail and what that candidate will face.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to put myself in the heads of
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: a swing voter because that's hard to.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: You're saying who could actually be on stage next to
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the important part of that is you can judge,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: you can make a decision, a theory of the case
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: about what the best candidate qualities are to take on Trump.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: But to do that, you have to widen the aperture
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: because the problem with electability is you put it yourself
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: in the minds of people and all the pundits put
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: themselves in the minds of white people in the Midwest.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: And we don't ever ask the question in the terms
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: of younger voters or voters of color or non-voters all
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: over this country.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Or, I don't know, there are black people who actually
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: live in the Midwest.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: That is actually a thing. You know, who knew?
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: I will say this, though. I do think part of,
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: if I may make a sports analogy here.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Please don't.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Love it or stale.
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: Look, so Joe Biden feels a little bit like what
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: has happened in college basketball when you have a player,
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: unlike the rest of them, that like, you know, the
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: really good players leave after one year.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: One and done, right?
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: But if you're a senior or you're a junior, you're
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: you give them more time to pick apart your game.
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: And unfortunately, Joe Biden has been in politics since the
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: horse and buggy. And so because of that, he was
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: unfortunately a politician during some times where there was racial segregation.
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: There was issues that look much differently now than they
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: did then.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: And he's on the record for some stuff.
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: And these gaps would be way easy to minimize If
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: Joe Biden just learned two words.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: That's all he has to do.
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: Like we realized that it was a different time that
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: most of us are smart enough to understand that part
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: of it, but he is still doubling down on dumb things.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: And that's, what's getting him in trouble. It's not the age. Okay.
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: Because again, he's in a race with Bernie Sanders. I mean,
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: Donald Trump's 3000 years old. I mean, it's not that
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: part of it that should actually work for you. It's
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: just his lack of accountability for, when he was, for
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: earlier in his year as a politician, that to me
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: is really undercutting him in this primary season.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: Okay, we will be back with more news right after
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: a game.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Now it's time for OK Stop. We'll roll a clip.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: The panel can say OK Stop at any point to comment.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: And to help us play, she's a writer, comedian, actress,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: and host of NBC's Bring the Funny. Please welcome back
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Amanda Seales. Over there.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Hey, DeMero.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: We love the track suit.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: We love the track suit. And I didn't hear a
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: gay lilt in that voice, but I'm assuming it was there.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Have you ever been to a concert for a band
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: you really don't like, but everyone at the concert is
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: huge fans of the band, so when they play a
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: song you think is awful, the crowd goes nuts, and
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: you look around and say, how are we so different?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: How do you like this?
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: What is music? Why do we like it? Why do
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: rhymes feel good? Does anything feel good? What is pleasure? Anyway,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump had a rally on Thursday, and boy did
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: some of his fans love it. Let's roll the clip.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: It's a big decision.
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: Do we give up the greatest theme, phrase, logo, whatever
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: you want to call it, in the history of politics,
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: Risky for a brand new one because Make America Great Again,
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: we're really sort of there and we have a little
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: time left.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Okay, stop.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're there. We got it. We're there.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Mission accomplished.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Good job.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Mission accomplished. What the fuck was that? What was the.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Whistling? Was he calling a cab?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: What the fuck was happening?
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: Risky.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Risky. Risky.
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: I know you like me, and this room is a
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: love fest, I know that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: Hey, time out, time out, time out, time out.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: All right. Yeah, call it 20, Amanda, call it 20.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I know you like me.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: It's just, ah!
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: Like, and you know what, when I agreed to do
• 23:37
  Speaker 10: OK Stop, I was like, I'm going to have to
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: say eloquent things, but I just have sounds. Like, when
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: I watch this, it just makes me want.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: To be like, grrr!
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I don't have a lot.
• 23:47
  Speaker 10: Because I'm just meeting him at his energy, and his
• 23:50
  Speaker 10: energy lacks anything of intellect, but he's actually right about that,
• 23:54
  Speaker 10: and that's what screws me. That's what freaks me out.
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: He's actually right about that. They love this fool. They
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: fucking love him.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: But you have no choice but to vote for me
• 24:10
  Speaker 9: because your 401Ks, down the tubes, everything's going to be
• 24:14
  Speaker 9: down the tubes.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop.
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: Your campaign pitch cannot be shit is fucked up.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: And I fucked it up, but still vote for me
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: because I'm all you got.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Like, who does that? I thought the same thing.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: I was like, I don't get, like, if there's a
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: recession before the election, that doesn't work.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: That's your fault.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: But there's still, like.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: You.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Don't even know what 401k means.
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: That's like a guy telling you or a significant other
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: or whatever romantic relationship saying, you know what?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I ain't shit. I'll cheat on you. I won't do
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: shit for you, but you ain't got no other choice.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Come with me.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: At least I'm honest.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I want you to know that I appreciate that you
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: decided to de-gender that, but I think it It was gendered.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: No, in a good way. I caught myself.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: In a good way.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I caught myself. Only a man would say that.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: So I thought it was fine.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: So whether you love me or hate me, you gotta
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: vote for me. Okay, stop. Okay.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Chilling.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: So I feel quite validated by that. Let me tell
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: you why.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Not in a personal way.
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: No. But.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: We've talked about this a few times. That was supposed
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: to be his under message, right? Which is, listen, I'm terrible,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I'm disgusting, but the economy's doing okay. Things are pretty good.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Don't mess with something that's working. So it's interesting to
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: see him get Fully explicit. Basically just saying.
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: But it's a weird thing to say in a week
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: where there's news that we may be headed into a recession.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: But that's why he's doing it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: You're missing. He watches Fox.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: He doesn't know.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Dow finally hit 36,000 on Fox yesterday. The Monopoly man's
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: throwing cannons. Everybody won a beauty contest on Fox. Oh, yeah.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Before the election... Our factories were closing. Hey, who knows
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: it better than you?
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: You're like central casting for the closing of factories.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop!
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: What does that mean?
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: What?
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: First of all, it's such a specific reference. Like, this
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: is such a SAG-AFTRA reference. Like, his audience, I know
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: there's like a hush that happens because there was science. Like,
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: people were like, central casting.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Like, what is he?
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not really.
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: He's so out of touch, but yet in touch with
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: the fact that he can just say whatever. He's just
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: pulling his dick out, and they're like, can I suck it?
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: But this is my problem with Democrats.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Because.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: What'd we do? Nothing!
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: That's my problem.
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: None of our Democrats are willing to pull their dick out.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: And I'm saying, and if it's not a dick, like,
• 27:10
  Speaker 10: pull out a titty.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: But I just, I need to see, I need to see.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I think you're forgetting the Clinton administration.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Touche. But that's exactly how he won.
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: Because playing saxophone on the Arsenio Hall show is pulling
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: your dick and balls out, okay?
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: So, but my.
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: Point is that there's, he's so extreme, and like, if
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: you want drastic change, you have to create drastic change,
• 27:37
  Speaker 10: you have to do something drastic, and none of our
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: Democrats that are currently out here are drastic, they're simply
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: just like, bland, they're unseasoned chicken, go on.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: Democrats are now the party of high taxes, high crime,
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: open borders, late-term abortion and socialism. The Republican Party is
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: the party of freedom. We are the party of the
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: American worker, the American family, and the American dream.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Who is this brown person? I know. I was thinking it. Hey, Amanda,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I'm convinced. Amanda, I'm convinced that's a hostage. That's a hostage.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I'm like, blink twice.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Go to the light, my man.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: You know how he got there?
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Central casting.
• 28:20
  Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying?
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: That dude is not breathing. I know he's not. He's
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: not breathing.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I think he's actually holding up today's newspaper. That's weird.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: That guy's got a serious weight problem.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Go home.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Stop, stop, stop.
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: I know his misshapen, ill-fit, awkwardly built ass ain't calling
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: somebody else out.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: And it was.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: A Trump supporter.
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he called the person the next day because it
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: was a fucking Trump supporter.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: He's like, listen, listen, you fat piece of shit. I
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: didn't know you liked me. It's only wrong if you
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: like me.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: This is the same dude putting ketchup on steaks, right? Okay.
• 29:14
  Speaker 10: He cannot talk about anybody's appearance. He looks like a
• 29:17
  Speaker 10: piece of pizza with the cheese off.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: What do you think Trump sees when he looks in
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: the mirror? Oh, my God.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Not his penis.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Do you guys ever worry that OK Stop is a
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: little lowest common denominator?
• 29:34
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Because I do not. I am not worried about it
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: at all. and that's okay stop Amanda Seals thank you
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: so much back to you John oh my god all
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: right oh boy.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: That's good um.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: All right, let's talk about some news that was made
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: this week by one of our favorite Democrats in all
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: of politics, Stacey Abrams. So the former Georgia candidate for
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: governor announced that she will pass on the 2020 presidential
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: race in order to focus all of her efforts on
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: Fair Fight 2020, an organization that she founded to fight
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: voter suppression and expand democracy. Abrams told the New York Times, quote,
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: there are only two things stopping us in 2020, that
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: people have a reason to vote and that they have
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: a right to vote. I've decided to leave it to
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: a whole bunch of other people to make sure that
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: they have a reason to vote. Tommy, what do you
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: think of Abrams' decision? Is focusing on voter suppression potentially
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: more impactful than either running for president or running for
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: Senate in Georgia, which he.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Also passed on? Good question.
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, look, I think I think entering the
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: presidential campaign right now would be a very bad idea
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: for literally anyone, even someone as talented as Stacey Abrams,
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: because you just need time to build an organization, raise money,
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: do all the things you need to do. A lot
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: of us would love to see her be a United
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: States senator, but she said she didn't want the job,
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: so that's totally fine. Now, I think the key point
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: is that she would be governor if not for voter suppression, right?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: And so, the fact that someone as.
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: Savvy and smart and amazing as her is going to
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: run an organization that could try to prevent voter suppression
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: around the country is enormously important for almost everyone running
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: in every state. So, you know, the only thing that
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: I have been thinking about is like, she said she
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: wants to raise $ 5 million. Like why not 10? Why
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: not 15? Everyone in this theater right now could help
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: her build the biggest organization we've ever seen. So yeah,
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: I think it's an incredibly important job and I'm glad
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: she's taking it on.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I should just say, so Abrams' organization is
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: basically going to provide technical and financial assistance to Democratic
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: voter operations in 20 states. Like you said, it's going
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: to cost $ 4 to $ 5 million. They're going to help
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: fix inaccurate voter rolls, address shortages of voting machines and
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: provisional ballots, formalize rules around counting absentee ballots. They're even
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: going to help make sure that communities of color are
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: participating in the census. So they're working on everything all
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: over the country, which is really great. Dan, what can
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: Democrats learn from the campaign and the organization that Stacey
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: Abrams built in Georgia? Because we often talk about how
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: it's really hard to persuade some Obama-Trump voter in the Midwest,
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: but it's going to be a lot easier to actually
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: go out and register voters and expand the electorate. And
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: Stacey Abrams actually did expand the electorate in Georgia. So
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: what can Democrats learn from that?
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: I think the lesson to Stacey Abrams' campaign, other than
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: running against a corrupt, crooked Secretary of State with access
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: to the voter rolls, is that you start organizing very,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: very early. You go everywhere. You talk to everyone. There
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: is no pocket of unregistered or unlikely voters that is
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: too small for you to talk to. Stacey Abrams didn't,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: like the bulk of the Democratic vote in Georgia is
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: in Cobb County. is in Atlanta, but she did more
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: than that. The reason she got more votes than any
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Democrat in history was she campaigned everywhere. Everywhere where there
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: was any chance she could get any small handful of votes,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: she was there. She had an organization getting those people.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: And I think what she's doing is so important because
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: in Washington, there are skyscrapers full of Republicans whose only
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: job is to fuck up our democracy. And it is
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: nice that we finally have one person in the Democratic
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Party who is taking it upon herself to recognize that
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: all the things we talk about universal healthcare, free college,
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: naming a fucking post office. None of those things will
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: happen unless we.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Fix our democracy.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: And that starts in 2020.
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: So, Jamel, one of Stacey Abrams' achievements in Georgia was
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: turning out a record number of black voters.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: So she changed the electorate. So you used to try to.
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: Democrats basically assumed they would have the black vote, and
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: then they would try to get moderate white voters.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: And that's basically the path in Georgia. Stacey Abrams changed that.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: She tried to basically expand the electorate, boost black turnout
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: as much as possible, and then she also campaigned in
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: rural areas with plenty.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Of poorer white people.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: So in the 2016 election, black turnout declined for the
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: first time in 20 years. A lot of this had
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: to do with voter suppression. Some of it had to
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: do with the fact that Barack Obama wasn't on the
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: ballot for the first time in eight years. What do
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: you think that the Democratic presidential candidates and the party
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: itself has to do in 2020 to match basically what
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: Abrams did in Georgia all over the country?
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, here's the thing.
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: I think her strategy is sound in the sense of
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: she's not, I mean, while I think flipping voters who
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: may have gone another direction is part of it, but
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: I don't think she emphasized that as much as maybe
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: other candidates might have. I mean, there's a lot of energy,
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: a lot of conversation in this Democratic field about.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Flipping that Trump voter. Well, sometimes you can't negotiate with terrorists, right?
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: So the best way.
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: The best way to combat that is to get more
• 35:16
  Speaker 8: people to vote. And a lot of it was just appearing,
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: as you said, appearing in places where people weren't used
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: to having that one-on-one interaction with people, registering and empowering
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: voters who didn't really feel like they were a part
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: of the political process. I mean, I can't speak for
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: all black people, but I will for the purposes of
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: this stage.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Fair enough.
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: The choice that most black people made was, okay, I
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: may not be feeling Hillary, but I'm not voting for
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: a racist, so I'm staying home. So you have to
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: get the people who decided to stay home to come out.
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: And what is it that will energize them? What is
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: it that will inspire them? And a lot of what
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: they will be inspired by is feeling some level of
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: connectivity and hope within the candidate. And she tapped into that.
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: And there's a lot of research that shows that young,
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: I mean, millennial voters, especially black millennial voters could.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Be our untapped resource.
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: And you have to figure out beyond just, okay, saying
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: you'll cancel student loan debt. What is the conversation that
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: you can have with black millennials that will.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Inspire them to be a part of the process?
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: Because the other downside of 2016 is that it made
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: people more disillusioned and made them feel particularly with, oh,
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: I don't know, the Russian tampering as if their votes
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: didn't actually count. So now you add the voter suppression
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: to it. And so you have to figure out a
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: way to let people know that, you are mining this process,
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: and that's why Stacey Abrams, what she's doing is really important.
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: The Republicans played the long game on voter suppression, okay?
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: And Democrats fell asleep at the wheel, there's no question
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: about it. If people know that there is a concerted
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: effort to try to combat that, I think it will
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: do a lot in regards to connecting with the voters
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: who feel like their vote, quote, doesn't matter.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: So Trump and the Trump campaign apparently already is handing
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: out literature in black barbershops right now.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: They're doing micro-targeting.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Who would love to know who he's sending to a
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: black barbershop?
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine?
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Who is he sending to the black barbershop?
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I think we should take a moment to just recognize
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: that they are brave.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: We don't have to like them, but let's be honest.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I need video because I don't believe that for a
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: minute at all.
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: But go ahead. So they're doing that. They're micro-targeting on Facebook.
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: They're doing all this digital advertising. It doesn't seem like
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: the strategy of the Trump campaign is to win the
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: black vote.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: They know they can't do that.
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: But it seems like they're going to try to do
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: what they did in 2016, which is basically say, yeah,
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: we know that you don't like Donald Trump. but the
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: Democrat is bad too, maybe you should just vote for
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: a third party or stay home. How do Democrats deal
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: with that dynamic, do you think?
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, so first of all, one thing
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: just to add on Stacey Abrams is the other thing
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: she did is she ran an incredibly progressive and unabashedly
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: progressive race in Georgia that excited a lot of people
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: and gave people a lot of reason to come out
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: and vote for her, to believe in her. You know,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: she got out there and she organized, but then she
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: gave them a reason. She gave them a reason to
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: be excited and to help. You know, that's his strategy
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: across the board, and it's sophisticated, and it is to
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: go into every crevice... in every community and plant a
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: little seed of doubt, plant a little bit of fear,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: plant a little bit of hate, plant a little bit
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: of dissatisfaction, and to try to chip away just enough, right?
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: That's part of how he became president, not just by
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: turning out white voters in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Michigan,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: but also doing his best to, and with the help
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: of a lot of misinformation, antagonize black communities, get just
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: enough people to stay home.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: That's the strategy.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: That's it. It's there. And he's gonna do it again.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: And it's gonna be, and I think sometimes we, We
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: allow Trump's lack of sophistication to lull us into a
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: sense of security, and I think some of that was
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: in the coverage of 2016 about how, oh, you know,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Jared is this wunderkind, and obviously that's stupid because he's not. But,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: you know, Dan talks about this all the time, just
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: how sophisticated an organization that they're putting together, and I
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: think we underestimate it at our peril. They will be everywhere,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: and we need to be everywhere, too, and we can't
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: take any any reliable democratic vote for granted because we
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: just have to assume, maybe this is gonna be a blowout,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: but we have to assume it's not, which means it's
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: not just about winning the places where we have people,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: it's about preventing tiny losses everywhere because we'll win or
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: lose on the margins.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: In the mind of the Trump campaign, in an ideal world,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: they would love to shave one or two percent off
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: the African American vote for the Democratic nominee. That's actually
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: how Bush won in 2004, was over-performing with African American
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: voters in Ohio. But what he's really doing is, when
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: he campaigns for the black vote, he's not really campaigning,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: he's really campaigning for the white vote. It is part
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: of a strategy to show white voters that he is
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: not as racist as we say he is. Now that
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: is undermined every time he opens his mouth. But that
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: is the, like that's the idea on the white board.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: and I need the term whiteboard.
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: How do you think that we reach a lot of
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: these voters? Because right now, Dan, you complain about this
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: all the time, Donald Trump is spending an enormous amount
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: of money, his campaign, on digital ads, on Facebook ads.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: I remember when we talked to Stacey Abrams and we
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: interviewed her, she was like, the typical strategist in the
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: Democratic Party were telling me in my campaign, oh, you've
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: got to be up on TV, you've got to be
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: up on TV, and what I did is invested a
• 40:29
  Speaker 6: ton of money in organizing and digital strategy. Do you
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: think that Democrats are heading down that path? Do you
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: think we need to go there faster? This is for
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: you to start screaming about.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: I think that some campaigns, particularly Kamala Harris's campaign, have
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: thought a lot about this. And that's in part because
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: that is her strategy to win the nomination, right? That
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: is the vote she needs if she's going to overtake
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Warren or Biden or whoever else. But we can't wait
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: to have a nominee, because we are not going to
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: have a nominee, most likely, until June, under the most
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: ideal scenario, June. And so it should be happening right now.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: And I think what that is is.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: A woman here just gasped.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: On a later show, we'll talk about the increased odds
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: of a brokered convention, but... Yeah, not tonight. So I
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: think it's twofold, right? It is organizing that it's happening...
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: in communities right now. It is not waiting for a
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: nominee or a general election, because normally that organizing starts
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: in the summer and fall of 2016, or of the
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: presidential election year. But it is also digital advertising, because
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: if you think you're going to reach young people, and
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: particularly young people of color, by doing CNN interviews and
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: doing interviews in the New York Times, you have fucking
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: lost your mind.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: What?
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: If you want to speak to old white people who
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: have already made their decision, that's a good way of
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: doing that.
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: The other thing that we should just is that there
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: are some state parties that are doing a better job
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: than others. And I think that the Wisconsin Democratic Party
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: understands that they underperform in Milwaukee and that we need
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: to prioritize sending a bunch of organizers to Milwaukee early
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: and be in those communities early on and not wait
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: till the very end.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Just one stat that I think should just both give
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: people hope and make you want to bang your head
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: against the wall.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Exciting.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: Which is Trump won by 70,000 votes across three states.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: That's what made him president. Across the country, there were
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: four million people who voted for Barack Obama in 2012
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: who didn't vote in 2016. And a lot of studies
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: show that that is a disproportionately large group of people
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: of color, African-Americans and Latinas.
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: And I mean, I think when you think about that population,
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: there's this feeling, and you see it on Twitter, you
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: see it on cable sometimes, that if Democrats just adopt
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: very progressive policies, these voters will suddenly say.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, well I'm gonna go vote now even though I
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: didn't vote in 2016.
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: And the truth is about these voters is they are
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: more cynical about government and about politics and about the
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: possibility of politics improving their lives than almost anyone. I
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: feel like getting these voters out to the polls requires
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: a lot more than just spending money and taking policy positions.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I think it takes real organizing in those communities.
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: Here's the problem I think that Democrats are facing is
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: all the things that young people like, and by the way,
• 43:16
  Speaker 8: I feel super old by theorizing on what young people like,
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: because that's what old people do. But all the things
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: that young people tend to, that invigorates them about politics
• 43:29
  Speaker 8: are things that the older establishment in the Democratic Party
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: does not like. The reality is that the younger people
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: that they want to vote like AOC a whole lot
• 43:39
  Speaker 8: more than they like Nancy Pelosi. That's just the reality, right?
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: Because AOC is real and she's authentic. And what they
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: don't get from a lot of these politicians is authenticity,
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: and that's the part that they connect with. you're not
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: going to be able to energize people if you're sounding
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: like moms on Facebook. And a lot of these Democrats
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: kind of sound like mom on Facebook.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Because they are.
• 44:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, because they are, right? They're just like, teach me
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: about that new dance the kids are doing. It's like,
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: no one hear that shit. So I would say if
• 44:10
  Speaker 8: they know, rather than look inauthentic by trying to act
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: cool and speak the lingo of the young voters, I
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: think the digital campaigns are smart, but they also have
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: to tap people that the young people listen to.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: So if that means in North Carolina, Kamala Harris, you
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: got to call J. Cole, call J.
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: Cole and ask him to do some campaigning on your
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: behalf if you're in Atlanta. Because that's the other thing
• 44:32
  Speaker 8: that happened with Stacey Abrams. You had Killer Mike. You
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: had a lot of, you had T.I. You had them
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: mobilizing people, young people who listened to them. And they,
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: because they co-signed her they came out and voted. And so, yeah,
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: if that means you gotta have an ad with 21 Savage,
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: do it.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: You know? I'd love to see that, by the way.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: We have two politicians in recent years that have done
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: an unusual job of exciting young voters and non-voters, Barack
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Obama and Bernie Sanders. And they are ideologically very different,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: and yet you have these two people who manage... Different
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: in most ways. Yeah, many ways different. Different bagel orders,
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: I assume. LAUGHTER But... Obama orders lox.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Hold the bagel.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, no bagel. Seven almonds with lox. But I
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: think what they both have in common is they represented
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: change and they, in everything they did in their campaigns
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: and continuing to do with Bernie and his campaign, is
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: convince you that they mean what they say and that
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: they genuinely represent a movement seeking the kind of change
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: people want. And they do that with authenticity. They back
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: it with their character. They back it with their policies.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: They back it with their way of speaking about the country.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: And I think it's just, you know, we're not doing
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: this in a vacuum. We have examples.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: We can learn from what people are doing.
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: And the last thing I'd say on this is, and
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: the other similarity between Sanders and Obama is, you know,
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: Sanders' slogan right now is, not me, us, which Barack
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: Obama said all the time, is both of them understood,
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: and I think Elizabeth Warren gets this, I think a
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: lot of the candidates get this right now, is the
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: need to build a movement, right? Is that you have, this,
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: this is, this election is going to be won, I
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: know this is a cliche, but it is going to
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: be won on the ground in these communities with people
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: knocking on doors, people don't buy television ads as much
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: as they used to anymore, like, they want to know
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: what their neighbors are thinking, what their friends are thinking,
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: what people in their communities are thinking, so like, When
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: we get to this election, knocking on doors, talking to
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: your neighbors, talking to your friends, that's going to be
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: the way we win this election.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: That's going to be it. All right. When we come back,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: we'll have a game.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: And we're back. I'm standing. Now it's time for a game.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles. I guess I'm walking over here.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: My people.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: We spent a lot of the year on the road,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: traveling around America, sampling the cheese curds, partaking in Malort
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: and Franklin's barbecue, discovering how wrong I was about Connecticut pizza.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: But LA is our home. This is where I grab
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: a poached salmon over bamboo rice with Alison Pill and
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: Jules from Euphoria before riding a bird scooter through the
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: McDonald's drive-thru on my way home because In-N-Out is bad.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: We still love you.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Do you?
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Some people mock this city. But the truth is, LA
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: isn't all cocaine and terrible bagels. In fact, this town
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: has always also been home to some of the most
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: politically intelligent folks there are. And by politically intelligent, I
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: mean people who pay like two grand to go to
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: a fundraiser at Elle Fanning's house in Brentwood so you
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: can beg Chastain for Mayor Pete's life rights to make
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: the inevitable limited series on Hulu or, fingers crossed, Quibi. Uh.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Who was that for? It was for Travis. It was
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: for Travis.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: But you know what? Tonight we're going to prove we're
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: not in a bubble. Tonight we're going to show that
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: there's more that unites us and divides us from the
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: snow-covered lakes of Wisconsin to the sunlit concrete tube we
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: call a river in Los Angeles. So let's play Polar
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Coaster Tycoon Family Feud Edition. And here to help us
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: are some real Hollywood elites. Our musical guests tonight, Jim James,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Maggie Rogers, and Bethany and Bob from Best Coast. Come
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: on up, guys. Welcome. Thank you for being here. Now,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: we are going to divide into two teams.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I think Maggie's over there.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Best Coast. Oh, Maggie's over here. Jim James over there, too.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: Jim James! How you doing? So good to see you.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Thanks for being here.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: Hi, hi, hi.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Good to see you.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: How are you? We're old pals.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Last week, we ran a poll with our friends at
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Change Research that found that the 2020 race in Wisconsin
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: is going to be insanely close.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: There is only a.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: One-point difference right now between Trump and a Democratic candidate.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: But in the same poll, we also asked for some open-ended,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: one-word answers from some folks in Wisconsin. And we're going
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: to see how good our players are at guessing those
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: answers family feud style. Tommy and Jamel, you're on a
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: team with Maggie Rogers and Jim James. Dan and John,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: you're with Bethany and Bob. Thanks for telling us now.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Now I see what happens. Everybody shut up! I'm not
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: a game show host. I do this as a hobby.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: All right. It's kind of your job.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: What's your job?
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: It's kind of my job. That's weird to realize here.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: We got him one of those little fin mics. Yeah,
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: a little fin mic. Have your pets spayed and new.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Damn it.
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  Speaker 9: Sorry.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: You beat me. All right.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to ask a question. We're going to
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: go back and forth trying to guess the answers. At
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: the very end, we'll decide who had the highest ranking answers.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: You guys ready?
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Let's do this.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: We're going to start with... Tommy is the lead of
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: this team. Question one. If Joe Biden were an animal,
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: what type of animal would he be? What do you
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: guys think?
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Honey bear? Honey badger? Meerkat?
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Honey bee?
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: That feels too sophisticated.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: He's a baboon.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: A baboon?
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: You think people haven't seen.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: I'm in right now.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: An otter? That sounds good. We're going with otter, John.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: No, it's not otter.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: It's Wisconsin, right?
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: You guys are up. And?
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Dog. Wow.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Way too sophisticated. Back over to Tommy. Give us another guess.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, we have to go again?
• 51:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Family Feud, man. What else? Family Feud? You don't like
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Steve Harvey?
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Bear. Bear.
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  Speaker 9: Bear.
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  Speaker 3: They guessed bear.
• 51:17
  Speaker 9: Badger.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: Wisconsin State Animal?
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Should we do it?
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: How about badger?
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: No, I'm afraid not.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: Self-hating Wisconsinites.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: You guys won this round, but let's see what the
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: answers were.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: At five, with cat.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Four was tiger. Three was lion. Two was sloth. Little edge.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Little edge on that one. Let's face it. And number
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: one was dog. All right.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: Question number two. Which one celebrity who's never been involved
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: in politics would be most likely to impact your vote
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: if they endorsed a candidate? And I will tell you
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: that two of the top answers were none and nobody,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: so we took those out. John, Dan, Bethany, Bob, kick
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: us off.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Celebrity not involved in politics?
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  Speaker 3: Are you required by marriage to answer Taylor Swift? I
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: was going to say Oprah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Oprah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: John? Oprah.
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  Speaker 3: You got it.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: That was a good guess, Oprah. That was a good guess.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: That's like Settlers of Catan when there's a really good
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: spot to start on. And it fucks up the whole game.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Because it's 6-5-9 and you're like, fuck. That's a lot
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: of wood. You know what I mean?
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Is this some dorky thing?
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: You guys have to guess still. What do you think?
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: The Rock.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: The Rock.
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  Speaker 3: No, he's been involved in politics.
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  Speaker 1: Wait.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: So is Oprah. Did you say The Rock or Burak?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: The Rock. Oh, The Rock.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I heard Burak.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Shut up.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: It's like The Rock. It's like, who hates The Rock?
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: This is rigged.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Who is that guy that fucked up at the end
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: of that award show that also hosts Family Feud?
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Steve Harvey.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm Steve Harvey-ing all over this thing.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: We got two. This one's close.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: This is a tough competition. I would pick Beyonce.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: That's really good. That's really good.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: Dan went with Beyonce. You're sure you're okay with this domestically? Yeah, no,
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: I am. Okay, we're going to go with Beyonce.
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: No.
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: What?
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: It was Wisconsin.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought she was universal. T-Swift. No.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: God, man. I'm going to give Maggie, Jim... Tommy and Jamel,
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: one more guess. Just because they got really fucked on
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: the Oprah thing. Because I was just sitting there.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Springsteen?
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Springsteen? In Wisconsin? That's the most Wisconsin. Come on, Maggie.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: Why is that not Wisconsin?
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: It was a collective Jim and Maggie decision.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: We should have done Giannis.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: Who should you have done?
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: We should have done Giannis.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Giannis? Yeah, that was a good one.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: No, not on the list.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: Five seconds.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Was Ellen. See, you're like, oh.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, people love the dancing. But if you look at
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Ellen's eyes, you can tell that she doesn't. Four was
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Keanu Reeves.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: That's right. That's right, you liberal bubble. John Wick 1,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: John Wick 2, John Wick 3, every single one of
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: a hit. How many people on this stage have seen
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: all the John Wick movies?
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, wow. Not really.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Always be my maybe. They shoot a dog. I'm not
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: watching that movie.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Three was Dwayne The Rock Johnson. Who was Tom Hanks?
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Just sitting there. Just sitting there.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: I was just sitting there.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: And number one was, of course, Oprah.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: So we win.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: We won.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Guys, Bethany, Bob, John, and Dan, you've won the game.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: That is Polar Coaster Family Feud.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: That was fun.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I should probably leave the stage, but I don't want to.
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: Thank you to Amanda Seals, Jamel Hill, Jim James, Maggie Rogers,
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: and Best Coast.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Thank you, guys.
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: Thank you all for coming out. Please go to votesaveamerica.com.
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: We have 444 days until the 2020 election.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Make all of them count.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: Bye, guys.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: I don't want to go.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: Thank you.