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Credlin | 31 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Steve Price in again
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Speaker 2: for Peter. Last day of July and the final day
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Speaker 2: of the second week of the new Albanezy government's fresh
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Speaker 2: question time, and again the climate change Minister Chris Bowen.
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Speaker 3: Scaring the hell out of me. I have more on
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Speaker 3: that a little bit later.
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Speaker 2: What's coming up tonight on Kredlin I mentioned yesterday the
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Speaker 2: visiting UN Climate ambassador Lo called Simon Steel and his
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Speaker 2: doomsday claptrap about global warming meaning that Australians might only
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Speaker 2: have a once in a year treat eating fruit and vegetables. Yes,
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Speaker 2: he actually said that. Well, today we learn this same bloke,
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Speaker 2: when he was in politics, voted for tax breaks for
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Speaker 2: gas companies in his home country of Grenada. The global
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Speaker 2: crowd are sick of these types completely. Also tonight, the
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Speaker 2: Victorian alp Well, they're going to hold annual State conference
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne this weekend under heavy security because of pro
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Speaker 2: Palestine protesters that will be out the front, but it's
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Speaker 2: what will happen inside that should have all Victorians worried.
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Speaker 2: Motions on everything from legalizing cannabis to a new super
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Speaker 2: property tax. There they go again, and an indigenous treaty.
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Speaker 2: It's all scary stuff. We have a look at that
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Speaker 2: as well tonight. Plus the news the State alp has
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Speaker 2: disgracefully refused to back an opposition plan to strengthen safeguards
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Speaker 2: around the working with children permits rank political hypocrisy from
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Speaker 2: a government with no moral compass. Plus we catch up
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Speaker 2: with prominent No to the Voice campaigner Warren Mundine as
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Speaker 2: the closing the gap and your report shows how badly
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Speaker 2: Canberra is doing in actually making the lives of Indigenous
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Speaker 2: Australians any better. But first tonight, one of the most
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Speaker 2: ridiculous political ideas I think I have ever heard of
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Speaker 2: that is being supported at Senna by senior Victorian police.
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Speaker 2: Now this idea involves machetes, those long, single bladed weapons
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Speaker 2: of choice by out of controlled teenage crime gangs, where
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Speaker 2: they are not only used to terrify people woken in
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Speaker 2: the dead of night by home invaders, threatening them and
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Speaker 2: stealing their cars and phones. Also they use them all
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Speaker 2: around the country on their own gang members. Now this
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Speaker 2: is twenty twenty five, right across Melbourne and increasingly into
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Speaker 2: what is seen as wealthy regional centers in places like
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Speaker 2: the southeastern suburbs of Melbourne and beyond. So bad is
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Speaker 2: this This is Australia, by the way, not apartheid South
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Speaker 2: Africa or South Sudan, but Melbourne. So bad that this
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Speaker 2: carrying of machetes has become something that the Labor government,
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Speaker 2: after years of living in denial about teenage crime gangs,
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Speaker 2: have suddenly decided they need to do something about it.
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Speaker 2: Parliament a few weeks back banned the sale of machetes
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Speaker 2: in hardware stores, putting the onus on the shopkeepers to
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Speaker 2: take them off the shelves. Only problem with that was
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Speaker 2: anyone who didn't have one already and needed a new one,
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Speaker 2: well they simply went online and bought one and had
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Speaker 2: at home delivered, probably within a day. Now, the very
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Speaker 2: smart State government, after introducing their useless Saleman, decided theft
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Speaker 2: would from September make it illegal to carry such a weapon.
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Speaker 2: Now why you would legally be able to wander around
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Speaker 2: the suburbs at night with a long bladed weapon is
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Speaker 2: beyond me, but no, it would become illegal to do
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Speaker 2: that from September, so four weeks away.
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Speaker 3: Now why the delay?
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Speaker 2: No one including police could quite work that out. But
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Speaker 2: in four weeks time, that's from tomorrow, four weeks tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: this will become law.
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Speaker 3: Do I think it'll stop.
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Speaker 2: Thirteen and fourteen year olds, many from dysfunctional families or
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Speaker 2: in out of home care, from doing exactly that.
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Speaker 3: No, I don't.
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Speaker 2: But today one of the ridiculously stuwied ideas I think
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Speaker 2: I've ever heard of was endorsed by one of the
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Speaker 2: state's top police officers by the name of Brett Curran. Now,
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Speaker 2: I believe Brett Curran is a fine police officer, and
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Speaker 2: he's probably doing the bidding of even more senior police
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Speaker 2: who are doing the bidding of their delusional political masters.
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Speaker 2: Brett Curran was wheeled out to announce that from September one,
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Speaker 2: outside dozens of suburban and country police stations there would
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Speaker 2: be machette bins. I'm not making this up. Machete bins
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Speaker 2: for machete owners who don't use them for cutting bamboo,
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Speaker 2: but to try and cut people's arms off to hand
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Speaker 2: them in. That's what you do, you go to the
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Speaker 2: machete bin. The police officer said. These bins provide an
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Speaker 2: opportunity for families who might be concerned about their kids
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Speaker 2: and machetes and knives. Bring them down to the center
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Speaker 2: and put them in the bins. Well, there you go,
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Speaker 2: a nice family outing to dispose of a weapon you
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Speaker 2: might have used the night before to attack a rival
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Speaker 2: gang member or terrorize an innocent member of the public.
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Speaker 2: You can hold hands with mum and dad, walk down
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Speaker 2: of the police station and hand it in.
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Speaker 3: I mean, seriously.
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Speaker 2: Karen then had a coming to Jesus moment when he
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Speaker 2: conceded the weapons weren't simply going to disappear, and that
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Speaker 2: criminals would probably find new weapons, including and he gives
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Speaker 2: a tip here those readily available in your kitchen. He
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Speaker 2: means knives. Now, I know a few operational police if
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Speaker 2: they were watching this nonsense today, he would probably hasten
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Speaker 2: their decision to quit the police force. Then up popped
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Speaker 2: Premier sin to Allen were typical lack of understanding of
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Speaker 2: the real world, saying the bins would give parents the
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Speaker 2: chance to strip the dangerous knives from their trouble making teenagers.
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Speaker 2: She went on, as a parent, this is her speaking.
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Speaker 2: I know kids can be challenging from time to time
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Speaker 2: when they've got something they want to do. What Premier
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Speaker 2: invade shopping sets in broad daylight and attack an innocent
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Speaker 2: man and try and steal his phone, cutting him so
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Speaker 2: badly he almost had his hand amputated. That sort of
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Speaker 2: kids doing things. Or steal a Mercedes out of a
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Speaker 2: garage at the point of a machete and take it
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Speaker 2: on a dangerous police joy ride where at least one
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Speaker 2: innocent Victorian has already lost their life in a car crash.
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Speaker 2: That sort of jolly teenage fun. And can I ask
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Speaker 2: what sort of parents are having a conversation that goes
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Speaker 2: a little like this, Johnny, have you got a machete?
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Speaker 2: Because the nice policeman wants you and me to have
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Speaker 2: a family trip down at the police station to put
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Speaker 2: it in one of Jacinta Allan's machete bins. Teenager, But Mum,
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Speaker 2: what happens if they recognize me from the two hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty home invasions I've been involved in using my
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Speaker 2: favorite machete and they arrest me. I mean, seriously, the
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Speaker 2: world has gone mad. It's into Cameron. Now for tonight's
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Speaker 2: political headlines, which scrine news political reporter cam.
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Speaker 4: Redden good evening, around three million Australians will have their
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Speaker 4: student debt slashed by twenty percent.
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Speaker 1: We promised it and we've passed it.
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Speaker 4: It means the average student will owe five and a
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Speaker 4: half thousand dollars less on their education, but they won't
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Speaker 4: see the difference in their accounts for several months.
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Speaker 1: We'll help take a weight off their back.
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Speaker 4: The Coalition still has issues with the change, but abstained
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Speaker 4: from a vote in the Senate, while it did support
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Speaker 4: the government's childcare safety reforms, establishing the power to strip
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Speaker 4: unsafe centers of federal funding.
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Speaker 1: That's the way it should work, to be honest, this
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Speaker 1: is the start, not the end.
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Speaker 4: Global pressure is building for Australia to recognize the State
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Speaker 4: of Palestine, with another ally moving to do so overnight.
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Speaker 5: Canada in tends to recognize the State of Palestine at
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Speaker 5: the eediest session of the United Nations General Assembly.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's not prematurely reward on us you took. Those
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Speaker 1: countries have done that.
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Speaker 3: They've prematurely, Absolutely they have.
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Speaker 4: The Albanese government says Australia will join them eventually, but
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Speaker 4: along with many other allies, does not yet believe the
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Speaker 4: circumstances are right.
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Speaker 6: Recognition of the State of Palestine is a matter of when,
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Speaker 6: not if, but it's also conditional on overcoming some of
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Speaker 6: those obstacles.
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Speaker 4: Efforts to close the gap between Indigenous and non Indigenous
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Speaker 4: Australians continue to trend backwards.
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Speaker 6: We know the Prime Minister rock up at Gama and
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Speaker 6: say some nice things, but words are cheap.
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Speaker 7: We want action. This issue weighs heavily on me.
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Speaker 8: As an Aboriginal person from the Northern Territory. These deaths
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Speaker 8: have been catastrophic for my communities. As a mother, as
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Speaker 8: a grandmother, these deaths have weighed heavily on my communities.
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Speaker 4: Ameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 3: Good on you, Cam, thank you for that.
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Speaker 2: Joining me first up tonight's Sky News contributor Carole kats
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Speaker 2: and Barnas and journalist at the Daily Telegraph James Willis.
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Speaker 2: Let's start with the machette bins at police stations. The
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Speaker 2: Herald Suns revealed forty five machette safe disposal bins will
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Speaker 2: be available outside police stations across the state from September one.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Caroly, this is absolute madness. Can you imagine
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Speaker 2: wandering down to the machete bin with your teenager and
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Speaker 2: they're going to go willingly with you to cough up their.
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Speaker 9: Machete, evening Pricey. Of course, it's absolutely ridiculous. I mean,
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Speaker 9: if these parents actually know that their kids have these
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Speaker 9: weapons in the first place, then where's the control over
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Speaker 9: their kids. Their kids have been deemed criminals. They don't
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Speaker 9: even comply with bail conditions, so they're not going to
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Speaker 9: comply and something like this.
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Speaker 7: The bottom line is the Allen.
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Speaker 9: Lober government in Victoria has been weak on the bail laws.
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Speaker 7: Know that they watered them down two years ago.
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Speaker 9: They were worn by the then Chief Commissioner, Shane Patten,
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Speaker 9: and then by Rick Nugent, who is only in the
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Speaker 9: job for forty three days, backed by the opposition as well.
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Speaker 9: And now we've got Mike Bush from New Zealand. Now
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Speaker 9: this is no slur on Mike Bush and Pricey. You
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Speaker 9: probably want to say this, but can't. I probably shouldn't
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Speaker 9: say this, but will. I want the Chief Commissioner to
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Speaker 9: put his balls on the line and show that he
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Speaker 9: is independent from Jacinta Allen and the Labor government and
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Speaker 9: go out and front the media properly, not this week
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Speaker 9: of soft interviews that he's actually done. I old him
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Speaker 9: to go out there and say to Victorians what he's
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Speaker 9: going to do about the machete and this youth crime.
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Speaker 9: We've got a youth crime crisis in this state. As
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Speaker 9: you said, thirty three year old man married two kids,
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Speaker 9: his arm practically, you know, his hands severed and hanging off.
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Speaker 9: Where's the you know, where's the justice for him? This
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Speaker 9: is one of Victoria's most important issues. And if it's
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Speaker 9: that important to Victoria police, no disrespect to Brett Curran,
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Speaker 9: but come on, Mike bush don't let yourself be seen
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Speaker 9: as a puppet of the Victorian Allen Labor government.
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Speaker 7: You went in under just center Ardne. I know you
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Speaker 7: have a.
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Speaker 9: Decorated career of forty years, but you've been in Victoria.
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Speaker 9: You've seen the mess that this state is in front
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Speaker 9: the media, and clear this up and show Victorians that
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Speaker 9: you are making it a priority.
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Speaker 7: This is just ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: It is, and you're right about Mike Bushy should front up.
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Speaker 2: He shouldn't be sending other officers out there. James, you
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Speaker 2: and I have been around a long time and we're
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Speaker 2: trying to talk common sense. I mean that senior officer
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Speaker 2: current said that those secure bins, the machete bins, will
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Speaker 2: be monitored by CCTV. I mean what kid who's done
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Speaker 2: ten twelve, fifteen home invasions, stolen fourteen Mercedes benzes.
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Speaker 3: Is going to willingly go down there with their.
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Speaker 2: Face uncovered and shove a machete in a bin.
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Speaker 6: It's laughable, and it doesn't treat the disease. And sure,
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Speaker 6: you can try and get machetes off the streets, but
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Speaker 6: if you still have criminals and young criminal gangs, criminals
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Speaker 6: of all ages that are willing to hurt people, maybe
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Speaker 6: even kill people, but are willing to commit crimes on
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Speaker 6: a daily basis, well they'll just move on to the
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Speaker 6: next weapon or whatever it may be. So the bins
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Speaker 6: are a complete waste of money. And you're right, the
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Speaker 6: idea of someone just coming over and dropping one of
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Speaker 6: these things in that they might have bought it a
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Speaker 6: retailer five or ten years ago is just laughable. But
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Speaker 6: I think the key point here is it doesn't fix
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Speaker 6: the problem here, and if you still have a crime problem,
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Speaker 6: people will find another way to break the law and
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Speaker 6: just not use a machete next time.
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Speaker 2: And guess what, James, I mean, these kids are largely
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Speaker 2: members of gangs now. The gang membership is a strong
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Speaker 2: bonding between these kids to commit crimes. What happens when
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Speaker 2: gangming three he finds out that gang men to number
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Speaker 2: one has gone and forked up his machete into a bin,
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Speaker 2: basically breaking the gang code. I mean he's going to
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Speaker 2: be watching his back forever, isn't he.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: But again, the bigger issue here, and this is not
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Speaker 10: just in.
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Speaker 6: Victoria, but it's a critical problem in New South Wales,
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Speaker 6: particularly regional New South Wales and Queensland has had all
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Speaker 6: sorts of issues, is that we are failing to actually
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Speaker 6: tackle and provide appropriate reforms to fix the issue of
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Speaker 6: youth crime. This is a massive problem across the country.
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Speaker 6: It's been driven largely or let down by woke bureaucracies.
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Speaker 6: Victoria is a prime example of that. But weak laws
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Speaker 6: that basically say that, oh, look, you know someone's got
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Speaker 6: to be cuddled up to or you know, look they've
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Speaker 6: had a tough life, let's give them a ninth or
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Speaker 6: tenth chance. I'm sorry, but when there's a victim of crime,
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Speaker 6: there needs to be consequences.
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Speaker 10: And I think most people that have been.
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Speaker 6: In that circumstance, that have had their castole, that been
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Speaker 6: the victim of an assault or something worse, maybe their
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Speaker 6: house burnt down. I don't know would be demanding action,
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Speaker 6: and unfortunately our laws haven't been strong enough. If anyone
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Speaker 6: thinks Bins handing over machetes is going to fix the
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Speaker 6: problem in Victoria, they're kidding themselves.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Caroly Business News Artois. I've launched a Fair Work
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Speaker 2: Commission petition calling for changes to the clerk's award, which
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Speaker 2: would see staff give up penalty rates if they're working
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Speaker 2: from home. That argument's going to go down world with
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Speaker 2: the union movement.
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Speaker 7: It certainly is, isn't it.
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Speaker 9: No, Yeah, right, Look, I think it's really important to
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Speaker 9: what's the word, make the distinction that this is for
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Speaker 9: people that are on award wages. I do think though,
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Speaker 9: that if you are working from home and you want
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Speaker 9: to complete your work, so you're thirty eight hour work week,
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Speaker 9: you don't want to work at three o'clock in the
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Speaker 9: afternoon because you want to pick up kids, but you're
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Speaker 9: prepared to do your work at eight o'clock at.
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Speaker 7: Night to get it done. If you're deciding that, then
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Speaker 7: yet that is fair.
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Speaker 9: But if your employer is expecting you to be working
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Speaker 9: after hours when there should be a penalty, maybe after
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Speaker 9: ten or eleven o'clock at night. Then I think that
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Speaker 9: it is within reason that there needs to be some
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Speaker 9: kind of a compromise come on penalty rates. But as
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Speaker 9: we've seen the unions say, you know, they want to
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Speaker 9: ensure that there are no jobs lost to AI and
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Speaker 9: we just saw what happened with it, Lassion, didn't we.
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Speaker 2: We went through an election campaign, James, and obviously work
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Speaker 2: from home is something that affected the Coalitions vote badly.
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Speaker 2: I mean it was an ill, ill worked out policy
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Speaker 2: and they paid for it. Work from home has now
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Speaker 2: become something that is part of the way.
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Speaker 3: We do business.
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Speaker 2: I work from home a lot, and I would not
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Speaker 2: think of claiming penalty rates. But I guess if somebody's
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Speaker 2: told that they've got to work, they are working from home,
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Speaker 2: and they're working twelve hours a day and not eight,
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Speaker 2: it's reasonable to get paid a penalty, isn't it.
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Speaker 6: Well, my views are soft and I'm working from us
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Speaker 6: home Steve a little bit, and I tend to agree
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Speaker 6: with you. I think one day a week, especially if
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Speaker 6: you're working on a big project, where you can stay
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Speaker 6: home and not be distracted and actually punch something out,
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Speaker 6: can be quite effective. But the problem is, and I
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Speaker 6: had someone that runs a small business text me earlier
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Speaker 6: because I was asking about how big a problem this
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Speaker 6: is for areas like it and anywhere around that space,
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Speaker 6: which is a lot of workers across the country. Working
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Speaker 6: from home remains the number one bargaining chip when you're
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Speaker 6: trying to employ someone and they're talking about salary and conditions,
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Speaker 6: they want to work from home, and not.
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Speaker 10: Just a couple of days a week, but full time.
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Speaker 6: Now, I know a lot of the big companies and
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Speaker 6: big banks have said you've got to be back in
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Speaker 6: the office half of the time. We have to remember
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Speaker 6: this did not exist largely apart from in certain sectors
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Speaker 6: or when women were returning to the workforce. Men and
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Speaker 6: women after they'd had children. Working from home didn't exist
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Speaker 6: before COVID. All of a sudden, it is the key
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Speaker 6: bargaining chip, and so employers have to respond. But there
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Speaker 6: has to be some sort of benefit to an employer
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Speaker 6: and an employer's family and to an employer's business to
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Speaker 6: employ someone and have conditions in place that actually benefit
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Speaker 6: and help them thrive. At the moment, it is far
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Speaker 6: too scaled. More and more with fair work and the
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Speaker 6: unions and the ir laws towards the rights of the
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Speaker 6: worker and there's not much left for the employer at
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Speaker 6: the end of the road. The other point, and this
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Speaker 6: is I think critical, is that people that work from
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Speaker 6: home need to be careful because I think these big
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Speaker 6: companies are more saying, well, we don't need the office space,
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Speaker 6: why are we paying rent in the middle of the
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Speaker 6: CBD in Sydney or Melbourne. The next step could be, Okay,
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Speaker 6: if we don't need you in the workplace, do we
17:38
Speaker 6: need you in the country.
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Speaker 10: And how many of.
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Speaker 6: These workers are going to end up overseas before they
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Speaker 6: end up in the hands of AI.
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Speaker 3: Well carely.
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Speaker 2: You saw yesterday at Lassie and Mike Kennon Brooks he
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Speaker 2: sacked a huge number of his workforce and he basically
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Speaker 2: did a pre recorded message to them saying, you don't
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Speaker 2: have a job anymore, and he's replacing all of those
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Speaker 2: jobs with AI. So you know, if I had a
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Speaker 2: job where I had a choice of being at home
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Speaker 2: or in the office, and I thought that my boss
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Speaker 2: might be getting a bit sick and tired of at
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Speaker 2: home working, I'd be getting my ass straight into the
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Speaker 2: office every day of the week.
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Speaker 7: You and I both would.
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Speaker 9: Steve were of that generation but unfortunately younger generations, as
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Speaker 9: James also said, since COVID, it's completely turned the workforce
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Speaker 9: on its head and the workplace, I actually think that
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Speaker 9: going to work, going to the office, it's more of
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Speaker 9: a discipline as well. And you also you need that
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Speaker 9: intergenerational knowledge. You need that you need to be able
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Speaker 9: to walk to someone's desk and say look, I can't
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Speaker 9: do this on the computer and point to it or
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Speaker 9: say listen, this is a better way of doing it.
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Speaker 9: At the moment, we're all in little silos, the people
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Speaker 9: that do work from home, and there's no inter office connection,
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Speaker 9: you know that term, the water cooler conversation. That's all done,
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Speaker 9: and we wonder why there's so much mental mental health
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Speaker 9: illness as well.
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Speaker 7: But that connection that people have to a workplace.
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Speaker 9: And we all know that when you're working at home,
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Speaker 9: you can stone your pajamas, you can do a column,
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Speaker 9: you can do whatever you might want to do.
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Speaker 7: But the discipline of actually having to be.
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Speaker 9: Somewhere, get yourself ready for work, showered, groomed, get in there,
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Speaker 9: face the traffic. Yes, but it's that discipline that I think,
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Speaker 9: sadly younger generations are actually missing. And as you say,
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Speaker 9: and as James said, it's a huge risk with companies
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Speaker 9: looking around at the space that they're renting for their
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Speaker 9: officers if no one is going to be there. I
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Speaker 9: think it's also a case of be careful what we
19:31
Speaker 9: wish for, otherwise we will be replaced by AI.
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Speaker 2: Problem just on this SI very quickly is that there
19:39
Speaker 2: are by the way, yes, Jos.
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Speaker 10: There are people, Steve. I think this is a really
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Speaker 10: important point.
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Speaker 6: There's people watching us across the country that are in
19:48
Speaker 6: frontline jobs, whether they be truck drivers, whether they be nurses,
19:51
Speaker 6: whether they be retail workers, tradees that don't even have
19:55
Speaker 6: the option to work from home. This is a class issue,
19:59
Speaker 6: a laptop class issue, and so you know, when we
20:02
Speaker 6: have these debates about what people can do in terms
20:05
Speaker 6: of working from home, there's large sections of the workforce
20:08
Speaker 6: that were the engine room of the economy during COVID
20:11
Speaker 6: that had to front up to work that didn't have
20:12
Speaker 6: this option. Otherwise they would have been fired, and I
20:15
Speaker 6: think they've got to be considered in this as well.
20:17
Speaker 6: It really is I have versus have not when it
20:20
Speaker 6: comes to these complaints about how much you can work
20:23
Speaker 6: from home, whether you can claim penalty rates and all
20:26
Speaker 6: those sort of things.
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Speaker 2: Great point, James, James carely, thank you very much for that.
20:31
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break. Now, a new report reveals
20:33
Speaker 2: that this doesn't surprise me. The nation's failures when it
20:36
Speaker 2: comes to closing the gap. How many years we've been
20:40
Speaker 2: talking about doing that, plus some surprising revelations about the
20:44
Speaker 2: UN's Climate chief.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to tou price with you.
20:51
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many times I've covered the
20:54
Speaker 2: story that I'm about to talk to Warren Mundine about.
20:56
Speaker 2: It is so frustrating. Another you, But another Productivity Commission
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Speaker 2: report revealed today that the nation is only on track,
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Speaker 2: surprise surprise, to meet four of the nineteen closing the
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Speaker 2: Gap targets. These four targets are boosting preschool numbers, employment,
21:16
Speaker 2: and two targets related to land rights. Meanwhile, adult incarceration
21:21
Speaker 2: of Indigenous people, child development, children in and out of
21:25
Speaker 2: home care, and suicide rates of Indigenous people all getting worse.
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Speaker 2: I mean, waram Undine joins me, you're probably you know,
21:35
Speaker 2: you're probably ahead of me by about ten of these
21:37
Speaker 2: closing the Gap reports.
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Speaker 3: But it must drive you spare.
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Speaker 5: And it is driving me insane.
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Speaker 1: I got to say this here.
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Speaker 5: We are that We've been getting these reports since Mafusler
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Speaker 5: was in kindergarten and they're saying the same old, same ole,
21:53
Speaker 5: same ole every friggin year. You know what's the old thing?
21:58
Speaker 5: You know, kind of madness you keep on doing the
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Speaker 5: same thing over and over and again. You think you're
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Speaker 5: going to make a difference.
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Speaker 1: It's all very.
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Speaker 3: Simple to me.
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Speaker 5: You know. You're looking at you know, we should be
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Speaker 5: bringing things together.
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Speaker 11: Now.
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Speaker 5: You look at the land and sea rights. Now, the
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Speaker 5: Aboriginals owned more than half the Australian continent. Now, why
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Speaker 5: don't we turn that into an economic base where we're
22:21
Speaker 5: able then to get jobs for the parents, get education
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Speaker 5: programs for the kids, and start building strong communities which
22:32
Speaker 5: are economically good and that are safe and things and
22:38
Speaker 5: healthy and this are the things that we should be
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Speaker 5: looking at. Look, I look at some of this stuff.
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Speaker 12: You know.
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Speaker 5: I did a report for the Malanacas government in South
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Speaker 5: Australia in twenty sixteen when he was the Corrective Services person,
22:52
Speaker 5: and we come up with the ideas about reoffending, about
22:55
Speaker 5: how do we get people into diversionary programs, how do
22:57
Speaker 5: we get people into jobs and everything that reduce crime
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Speaker 5: and we use international figures as well as Australian figures.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what.
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Speaker 5: I don't know what Old Peter's doing with that report,
23:07
Speaker 5: but he seems we're just flapping around talking about the
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Speaker 5: Voice de Parliament all the time rather than actually getting
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Speaker 5: the job done within his state about reducing all this stuff. Look,
23:17
Speaker 5: I just go mad. It's not hard. You've got to
23:21
Speaker 5: get the kids into school. You've got to get into reading,
23:25
Speaker 5: writing or everythtech. You've got to get into phonics. They've
23:27
Speaker 5: got to get real skills learning about stem and everything
23:30
Speaker 5: like that. You know, we've got to cut all this
23:32
Speaker 5: gamming education out, you know where you know they're learning
23:36
Speaker 5: about all this truth telling and all this type of stuff. Yes,
23:38
Speaker 5: it's important to do that in history and learn about things,
23:41
Speaker 5: but get back to the basis that're going to create
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Speaker 5: jobs for people and training them and that getting Now
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Speaker 5: you're owning all this land, why don't we get these
23:49
Speaker 5: mining program projects off the ground. Why don't we get
23:51
Speaker 5: these gas projects off the ground. Why don't we get
23:54
Speaker 5: all these other projects off the ground that can actually
23:57
Speaker 5: get economic development within their commuit. You, whether average or
24:01
Speaker 5: people are getting jobs running businesses and contributing to their
24:05
Speaker 5: community and growing and growing into an economic base for
24:09
Speaker 5: them and a.
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Speaker 3: Future for their people.
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Speaker 2: Well, I know that both yourself and just send a
24:17
Speaker 2: Nampa jimp for price. I mean, you talk common sense
24:21
Speaker 2: about these things. And one of the things that you
24:23
Speaker 2: both say is if you want to make a difference,
24:26
Speaker 2: start by chasing the money. Where's the money going? I mean,
24:31
Speaker 2: you know, closing the gap. I mean we should ask
24:35
Speaker 2: why is there a gap? And what are you doing
24:37
Speaker 2: with all the money that Australian taxpayers are plowing into
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Speaker 2: closing the gap? Because it ain't working well.
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Speaker 5: When you look at the taxpayer, you look at the
24:45
Speaker 5: local government, you look at the state government, you look
24:46
Speaker 5: at the federal government, all the money that's going into
24:49
Speaker 5: these communities and into these programs, and then you look
24:52
Speaker 5: at what's coming off the royalties and all the money
24:54
Speaker 5: coming off the mining industry, looking at four billion dollars
24:57
Speaker 5: each year and everything that coming out of that, and
24:59
Speaker 5: then you look at you look at you sort of
25:01
Speaker 5: start saying, okay, why aren't we looking at how at
25:06
Speaker 5: a clear audits where that money is going. Is it
25:09
Speaker 5: actually doing what they said they were going to do?
25:11
Speaker 5: Is it getting the results? That they're supposed to be
25:14
Speaker 5: getting and obviously they're not because we've read the read
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Speaker 5: the you know, the clothes and the Gap report, and
25:18
Speaker 5: every year it's the same old, same old thing again.
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Speaker 3: And also we've got to.
25:24
Speaker 5: Stop making laws that are competing against each other and
25:30
Speaker 5: that you know, you're like, you're sitting there saying we've
25:32
Speaker 5: raised the criminal responsibility laws to fourteen. Well, and I
25:36
Speaker 5: said to someone, you know, this is a few years
25:38
Speaker 5: ago what happened to Tenant Creep with a young five
25:40
Speaker 5: year old kid was raped by twelve and thirty year
25:43
Speaker 5: old boys. I said, so you're going to raise it
25:46
Speaker 5: up to responsibility up to fourteen, what happens to those
25:48
Speaker 5: twelve and thirteen year old boys who raped that five
25:51
Speaker 5: year old kid?
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Speaker 3: And they hung up on me.
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Speaker 2: An answer, it's an it's an excellent point. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you know, in Victoria, you've got a coup record. In Victoria,
26:04
Speaker 2: you've got a truth telling commission. Hundreds of millions of
26:07
Speaker 2: dollars have been spent on this secret discussions of a
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Speaker 2: treaty in Victoria that's not fixing the life of one
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Speaker 2: Indigenous person who lives in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: And that's true.
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Speaker 5: They in one of the conversations about our Aboriginals should
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Speaker 5: be you know, shouldn't be paying land tax. I don't
26:25
Speaker 5: know too many Aboriginals who are so rich that they
26:28
Speaker 5: can actually.
26:28
Speaker 3: Afford to pay land tax.
26:30
Speaker 5: And how is that going to improve the lives of
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Speaker 5: Aboriginal people. You know, we've got to get down to
26:34
Speaker 5: the nitty gritty stuff about education, about economic development, built,
26:39
Speaker 5: getting jobs, getting businesses. And one of the most successful
26:44
Speaker 5: programs which was put in place through the ABBOTT at
26:47
Speaker 5: Turnbull years under Nigel Scullion was the Indigenous business sector
26:52
Speaker 5: that they set that up in twenty fifteen. Six point
26:56
Speaker 5: seven million dollars was that economy. It is now going
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Speaker 5: up between twelve billion dollars and it's creating forty five
27:04
Speaker 5: thousand jobs, twenty five thousand jobs for Aboriginals, twenty twenty
27:09
Speaker 5: thousand jobs for other people who are working within those
27:12
Speaker 5: indigenous businesses. And I'm sting and I said, why can't
27:15
Speaker 5: you do simple things like that? You know, and our
27:18
Speaker 5: kids not going to school. We've got to get our
27:21
Speaker 5: kids at school. Education is the key has always been
27:25
Speaker 5: the key of improving your life and making your community safe.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you speak too much common sense Warren, thank you
27:33
Speaker 2: very much for joining us again. I appreciate it very much.
27:36
Speaker 2: Too much common sense. Now, I spoke last night about
27:38
Speaker 2: this bloke, the UNM Climate chief. He's an ambassador for something,
27:42
Speaker 2: Simon Steele. Now we mentioned yesterday that he came out
27:47
Speaker 2: and said, if we don't do something about global warming,
27:50
Speaker 2: fruit and vegetables will be an annual treat for Australia.
27:54
Speaker 2: It's trying to suggest you'll only be able to get
27:56
Speaker 2: fresh fruit and vegetables once a year. I mean, patently ridiculous. Well,
28:00
Speaker 2: Ain bloke, according to someone's done some research on this,
28:04
Speaker 2: when he was a politician, actually back tax breaks for
28:08
Speaker 2: oil and gas companies in his home country of Grenada.
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Speaker 3: Now this is, you know, hypocrisy, writ Large.
28:15
Speaker 2: I don't know if this bloke is still in the country,
28:17
Speaker 2: but he'd be better off heading back to Grenada. Joining
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Speaker 2: me now to discuss this more is the Center for
28:23
Speaker 2: Independent Studies Director of Energy Research, Aiden Morrison. Aiden, I mean,
28:30
Speaker 2: why are we surprised? I mean, the hypocrisy that lives
28:35
Speaker 2: in the zealotry of green energy and climate change knows
28:40
Speaker 2: no bounds.
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Speaker 1: It seems like it.
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Speaker 12: It's just as though at some point you sort of
28:46
Speaker 12: float off into a different planet where it's okay to
28:49
Speaker 12: pretty much ignore the science and become completely hysterical about it.
28:52
Speaker 12: It's just the case that a serious science, serious look
28:55
Speaker 12: at climate change does not say it's going to be
28:57
Speaker 12: a catastrophe, we can't grow fresh fruit and vegetables. Again,
29:01
Speaker 12: it says there are going to be changed to the climate.
29:03
Speaker 12: We're not quite sure how big they're going to be.
29:05
Speaker 12: It could complicate growing certain things in some places, but
29:07
Speaker 12: there was just no imminent catastrophe. So this is this
29:11
Speaker 12: is really kind of an odd detachment that I see
29:13
Speaker 12: all over the place. There's just no realistic path towards
29:16
Speaker 12: net zero now that doesn't involve completely collapsing people's living stands.
29:20
Speaker 12: If we stop using all the things like coal and
29:23
Speaker 12: gas to make, you know, ceramics and steel and plastics,
29:27
Speaker 12: all the things we need to do basic things like
29:29
Speaker 12: development like sanitation projects around third world, we won't be
29:32
Speaker 12: able to keep improving humanity's living stands across the globe.
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Speaker 1: So it's really strange to see this kind of language.
29:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, the solar industry brought him out for some conference,
29:42
Speaker 2: and then I described him as a bald headed greater Thumburg.
29:45
Speaker 2: So he's probably going to disappear. We'll never hear from
29:47
Speaker 2: him again. Let's talk about the renewables roll out, because
29:51
Speaker 2: there is some real difficulty now facing Chris Bowen the
29:55
Speaker 2: federal government, because you know, you've got to cut off
29:58
Speaker 2: for where capitals going. Tomorrow is the cutoff for asset
30:03
Speaker 2: manager HMC Capital to settle a deal, their deal for
30:08
Speaker 2: nine hundred and fifty million dollars of renewable energy business
30:11
Speaker 2: which was purchased from Neon Australia. Yet on Tuesday it
30:15
Speaker 2: was reported that that same company had engaged advisory firm
30:18
Speaker 2: Lazard to search for buyers for the portfolio.
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Speaker 3: I mean it.
30:22
Speaker 2: Always comes back, doesn't It aid into the money. I mean,
30:25
Speaker 2: if you can't make a buck out of this stuff,
30:28
Speaker 2: foreign companies who said they're going to build it are
30:30
Speaker 2: going to walk away.
30:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 12: And the reality is is that you can't make a
30:37
Speaker 12: legitimate buck out of this stuff. It was confirmed by
30:40
Speaker 12: Ross Gano earlier this week that basically every project, every
30:43
Speaker 12: new project winning solar is dependent on government subsidies, on
30:47
Speaker 12: underwriting of revenue.
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Speaker 1: The funny thing is this case for.
30:50
Speaker 12: HMC Capital, this is exactly the situation, but they lucked out. Initially,
30:55
Speaker 12: they bought this whole portfolio with mere paper promises IOUs
30:59
Speaker 12: and they didn't use any of their own money to
31:01
Speaker 12: buy it in a whole hurry. And then just six
31:03
Speaker 12: days later it turned out that Chris Bowen bestowed upon
31:06
Speaker 12: it as new subsidy. He underwrote the future revenues for
31:10
Speaker 12: one of the major wind farms, the kent Brook wind Farms,
31:12
Speaker 12: just six days after was acquired by HMC Capital. And
31:16
Speaker 12: of course Julia Gillard, who formerly had Chris Bowen as
31:19
Speaker 12: one of her ministers, is the chair of that fund.
31:22
Speaker 12: And they've had another amazing brush with good fortune and
31:25
Speaker 12: good timing from Chris Bowen this week because he announced
31:28
Speaker 12: a big expansion of the Capacity Investment Scheme. That's the
31:31
Speaker 12: subsidies that will underwrite virtually every renewable project. So now
31:34
Speaker 12: there's almost no risk, or much less risk than previously,
31:38
Speaker 12: that all the other development projects in hmc's portfolio will
31:43
Speaker 12: go without government underwriting. So that's just how the normal,
31:46
Speaker 12: proper official government business of rolling out renewables looks. Now
31:49
Speaker 12: that we have huge amounts of money handed through a
31:52
Speaker 12: totally untransparent process by Chris Bowen, the minister. He's the
31:56
Speaker 12: one that makes the final decision all these grants to
31:58
Speaker 12: people who are his former buddies from politics. That is
32:01
Speaker 12: just how the legitimate process apparently proceeds.
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Speaker 2: And he gets up in Parliament abuses anybody who dares
32:09
Speaker 2: to ask him a question about whether the net zero
32:12
Speaker 2: target's going to be reached or not, and he couldn't
32:15
Speaker 2: even answer that questioning question time today.
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Speaker 12: There's just simply no chance that the net zero target
32:22
Speaker 12: is ever going to be reached. At the moment, it's
32:24
Speaker 12: completely intellectually dead because we relied on the idea that
32:27
Speaker 12: electricity would be extremely cheap for the hard parts of decarbonizing.
32:31
Speaker 12: So the idea we could electrify everything and then use
32:33
Speaker 12: electricity to make hydrogen. That relied on electricity being so cheap,
32:37
Speaker 12: and we now know electricity for renewables.
32:39
Speaker 1: Is extremely expensive.
32:41
Speaker 12: Again today the V and I West line more than
32:44
Speaker 12: doubled in price in just two months. Right, So this
32:46
Speaker 12: is just absolutely absurd to argue we have cheap electricity.
32:49
Speaker 1: Net zero is not going to happen.
32:53
Speaker 2: Aiden It was good to catch up, Thank you very
32:55
Speaker 2: much for that. Now, after the break, the Victorian government's
32:58
Speaker 2: shocking decision can you believe, is to vote down working
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Speaker 2: with Children check reforms which was proposed by the opposition
33:06
Speaker 2: pass I'll be joined by a local photographer with some
33:09
Speaker 2: stunning footage you're going to want to see of a
33:11
Speaker 2: rare natural phenomena.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back, step price with you.
33:19
Speaker 2: I've got some stunning vision to show you shortly, but
33:21
Speaker 2: first up the news this week that is staggering really
33:24
Speaker 2: that the Victorian Liberal and National Government opposition, i should say,
33:29
Speaker 2: moved to introduce urgent reforms to overhaul Victoria's broken working
33:34
Speaker 2: with children checks. Now this system is really in a
33:39
Speaker 2: mess and the coalition wanted to strengthen protections for children.
33:44
Speaker 2: Instead of working constructively with the opposition the government, this
33:50
Speaker 2: is to prioritize the children's safety. The Allen Labour government
33:54
Speaker 2: voted in parliament down these reforms.
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Speaker 3: Can you believe that?
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Speaker 2: I spoke with a shadow Minister for Education in Victoria,
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Speaker 2: Jess Wilson earlier today. Jess Wilson, welcome to the program.
34:07
Speaker 2: I mean, what was Labour's excuse for not doing what
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Speaker 2: they needed to do?
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Speaker 13: Well, good to be with you, Steve. It's incredibly disappointing
34:16
Speaker 13: that this week the Allen Labour government decided to vote
34:19
Speaker 13: down legislation that would have strengthened protection for children in
34:23
Speaker 13: this state. The Liberals and Nationals brought forward a proactive
34:27
Speaker 13: piece of legislation that sought to actually strengthen the working
34:31
Speaker 13: with Czech system here in Victoria. Now, this is a
34:33
Speaker 13: system that is broken. Revelations over recent weeks have demonstrated
34:38
Speaker 13: that children are not safe when it comes to the
34:40
Speaker 13: childcare system here in Victoria. And the Labor government was
34:44
Speaker 13: warned three years ago by the Ombudsman to make changes
34:48
Speaker 13: to the Working with Children's check system, but they failed
34:50
Speaker 13: to do so. So that for that reason we brought
34:53
Speaker 13: forward legislation that would implement those Ombudsman recommendations. And instead
34:57
Speaker 13: of working with us, working with the Parliament, working with
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Speaker 13: the opposition to constructively put children's safety first, the Premier
35:04
Speaker 13: voted that legislation down.
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Speaker 2: Well, the only way to look at that is petty
35:10
Speaker 2: politics that they don't want you to be seen to
35:13
Speaker 2: be doing what needs to be done. I mean, I
35:14
Speaker 2: can't think of any other reason why a sensible, saying
35:17
Speaker 2: government would do that.
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Speaker 13: That's right, We're looking at a premier putting politics before
35:24
Speaker 13: children's safety. And that's why we put forward last week
35:28
Speaker 13: our plan Safe from the Start, which is a six
35:31
Speaker 13: point action plan to make sure that children are protected
35:34
Speaker 13: in childcare and to help restore trust in a system
35:37
Speaker 13: that has had confidence shattered in recent weeks. We want
35:41
Speaker 13: to put forward urgent reforms. Work with the government to
35:44
Speaker 13: make sure that we have a system here in Victoria.
35:47
Speaker 13: Whether it's a registration system for workers, whether it's the
35:49
Speaker 13: installation of CCTV, whether it is looking at how we
35:53
Speaker 13: can strengthen our working with children's check system. All of
35:56
Speaker 13: these things need to happen now. We can't afford to
35:59
Speaker 13: wait for another review of a review by the Allen
36:02
Speaker 13: Labor government. Work with the opposition, work with the parliament
36:05
Speaker 13: to put children's safety first and implement our plan to
36:08
Speaker 13: make sure that children are safe in childcare.
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Speaker 2: The politics of this is disgusting, but explain to us
36:15
Speaker 2: how that works. So what did you wanted to put
36:19
Speaker 2: reforms through the house? So did you put up a
36:22
Speaker 2: private members bill? How did this work? And what role
36:26
Speaker 2: did the premier actually have in the parliament.
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Speaker 13: That's right, So we put forward a private member's bill.
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Speaker 13: I worked with the Shadow Attorney General Michael O'Brien to
36:35
Speaker 13: draft a bill that would have implemented those Ombudsman recommendations
36:39
Speaker 13: around strengthening the Working with Children's Check system. Now that
36:42
Speaker 13: included giving the Secretary of the Department of Government Services,
36:45
Speaker 13: the secretary administers the Working with Children's Check system, the
36:48
Speaker 13: power to take in a broader set of risk factors
36:51
Speaker 13: when deciding whether to reject or assind are working with
36:54
Speaker 13: Children's Check, because we are know that there are loopholes
36:57
Speaker 13: in the system and they are being exploited by offenders
37:01
Speaker 13: and alleged offenders. But it also did some other common
37:04
Speaker 13: sense practical thing, Steve. It looked at making sure that
37:07
Speaker 13: the police database had working with children information included in it,
37:13
Speaker 13: so if the police look up someone and they see
37:15
Speaker 13: that that person has an active Working with Children's Check,
37:18
Speaker 13: they can flag that. It looked at making sure that
37:20
Speaker 13: there was mandatory training. An employee who needs are working
37:24
Speaker 13: with Children's Check for their job should have to undergo
37:28
Speaker 13: mandatory training and child safety standards in their reporting obligations.
37:32
Speaker 13: And importantly, something the Australian Childhood Foundation has called for
37:36
Speaker 13: is making sure that training also includes looking out for
37:39
Speaker 13: those red flags when it comes to child sexual abuse.
37:41
Speaker 13: These are common sense practical reforms that we took to
37:45
Speaker 13: the floor of Parliament this week and unfortunately the Premier
37:48
Speaker 13: instructed her government and her MPs to vote against that
37:51
Speaker 13: piece of legislation and wouldn't even let us debate it
37:54
Speaker 13: in the house.
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Speaker 3: Well that's disgraceful.
37:58
Speaker 2: So what is State Labor doing to strengthen what is
38:01
Speaker 2: clearly jess a broken system. What are they on the
38:05
Speaker 2: ground putting in place to stop what we've seen allegedly
38:11
Speaker 2: happen happening?
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Speaker 13: And again, well, what we know is that the Premier
38:17
Speaker 13: and the Minister for Children here in Victoria have decided
38:20
Speaker 13: that they want to go down the path of a review. Now,
38:23
Speaker 13: this is a review that has explicitly says in the
38:25
Speaker 13: terms of reference that it needs to review previous reviews.
38:29
Speaker 13: We already know what needs to be done urgently. We
38:32
Speaker 13: don't have to wait for another review.
38:34
Speaker 10: Now.
38:34
Speaker 13: This is a review that also the Premier has put
38:37
Speaker 13: in charge of the review. Jay Weatherill, a former Labor
38:40
Speaker 13: premier who during his time as Premier of South Australia
38:44
Speaker 13: had one of the largest child abuse issues when it
38:47
Speaker 13: came to child protection. We want to rebuild trust in
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Speaker 13: the system and that means that we need to work
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Speaker 13: urgently urgently to strengthen the system to improve child protections.
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Speaker 13: We don't need to wait for another review. We have
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Speaker 13: outlined in our plan six urgent reforms that could be
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Speaker 13: done today that would actually give parents confidence when they're
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Speaker 13: dropping their kids off at childcare that the system is
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Speaker 13: there to protect them. And that's what we want to do.
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Speaker 13: We want to work constructively on this because child safety
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Speaker 13: should become before politics and all parliamentarian should work together
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Speaker 13: to make sure it's a priority.
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Speaker 3: I know you've been in Parliament today.
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Speaker 2: There was late today out of Sydney fresh allegations that
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Speaker 2: have been investigated since December of September of last year.
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Speaker 2: Parts of that case were suppressed up until today. That
39:36
Speaker 2: suppression order has now been lifted. These allegations and the
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Speaker 2: Australian Federal Police are involved in New South Wales Police
39:44
Speaker 2: involve allegedly a single childcare worker working across numerous childcare
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Speaker 2: centers and is allegedly being involved with child pornography. That's why,
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's why the federal government have put legislation through.
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Speaker 2: It's why the Federal government want to stop working with
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Speaker 2: children permits, you know, being state based and not right
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Speaker 2: across Australia. I mean, what does Ja cinder Alla not
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Speaker 2: get about this?
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Speaker 13: Well, that's right, and unfortunately we're now on the Thursday
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Speaker 13: evening of the first sitting week back after the parliamentary
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Speaker 13: break and the government didn't bring one piece of legislation
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Speaker 13: that would strengthen the child protection system here in Victoria.
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Speaker 13: It just wasn't a priority for the government this week
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Speaker 13: and it's incredibly disappointing, Steve, because, as I've said, this
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Speaker 13: should come before politics. We have said from the outset
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Speaker 13: we will work with the government. We will support whatever
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Speaker 13: needs to be done to make sure that when kids
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Speaker 13: are dropped off for childcare they are safe, because they
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Speaker 13: are the most vulnerable in our community and the horrific
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Speaker 13: allegations that have been revealed over recent weeks have just
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Speaker 13: shutted that trust. As a mom, it makes me feel
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Speaker 13: sick what is going on, and we need to help
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Speaker 13: rebuild that trust that's incumbent on us as elected representatives.
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Speaker 13: And it's really disappointing that we didn't see any action
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Speaker 13: from the Allen Labour government this week.
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Speaker 3: Jess, thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 7: Thanks Steve.
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Speaker 2: I want to share some stunning footage with the now
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Speaker 2: out of eas Skipsland. It's lake tires, it's breached as
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Speaker 2: banks and gone out into Bass straight. Now it's very
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Speaker 2: rare sight occurs naturally every few years, and on occasions
41:26
Speaker 2: will be opened up by human hand. But have a
41:28
Speaker 2: look at this unbelievable video of that water exiting out
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Speaker 2: into Bass Strait. It is just a gorgeous picture. And
41:37
Speaker 2: the man who took it as Scotty Kingman. He's a
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Speaker 2: local photographer. He also happens to be the guitarist for
41:42
Speaker 2: the Screaming Jets. Take me through that that you had
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Speaker 2: a drone up obviously, Scotty, how beautiful I did proceed?
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Speaker 14: It's a pretty The word awesome gets thrown around, really
41:54
Speaker 14: you flippantly these days, But when it happens, it's just incredible, beautiful,
41:58
Speaker 14: beautiful spot. And yeah, how of a thing to see?
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Speaker 2: Oh amazing thing to see. It's a bit like you know,
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Speaker 2: lake air when it gets water in it. What about
42:07
Speaker 2: some of these other photographs of yours. You've taken some
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Speaker 2: remarkable photos. Let's have a look here. I mean, I
42:12
Speaker 2: know that lake inspires you, but there you go, that's
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Speaker 2: another area. Look at that beautiful picture with the sunlight
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Speaker 2: in the background was that door or doler Mate? What
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Speaker 2: are you wasting your time being a guitarist for you
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Speaker 2: should be working for the National Geographic mate.
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Speaker 1: Oh mate, I'm rich in experience.
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Speaker 15: What can I say?
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Speaker 14: But yeah, look, it's an incredible spot. I've traveled the
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Speaker 14: country many times over and I so happened to be
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Speaker 14: doing a show down here maybe well nearly thirteen years
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Speaker 14: ago now and had never really seen it, but was
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Speaker 14: just yeah, I fell in love with it instantly as
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Speaker 14: soon as I got here. And it's a pretty special place.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of one of those.
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Speaker 14: It's almost got the feeling of being untouched. There's a
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Speaker 14: very rich history, and yeah, it's just a special place
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Speaker 14: on this planet. Mate, And for me being a creative,
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Speaker 14: it inspires me. And old Mother Nature never fails but
43:12
Speaker 14: to put on a how of a showdown this way
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Speaker 14: in any way, shape or form, This one is probably
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Speaker 14: the most I guess over the top or just.
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Speaker 3: Just sheer size of this.
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Speaker 14: This is thirty kilometers of fresh water, well brackish.
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Speaker 3: Water, mate, Yeah, look.
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Speaker 2: At it and some of the most Absolutely it's beautiful.
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Speaker 2: I mean there's no other word, Scottie than beautiful. I
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Speaker 2: know your guitar playing is good, mate, but your photographs
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Speaker 2: are fantastic. Please, we've been able to share it with
43:41
Speaker 2: our with our audience. Mate, you love you love that
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Speaker 2: area and I can see exactly why. Scottie Kingman, thank
43:49
Speaker 2: you so much for joining us and sharing those pictures.
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Speaker 3: The panels are next. Those pictures were the spectacular.
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Speaker 2: Now Canada's become the latest country to announce plans to
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Speaker 2: recognize a Palestinian state. Now France and the UK have
44:07
Speaker 2: done that as well. A lot of pressure now on
44:09
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi joining me to discuss is Sky News contributor
44:13
Speaker 2: Koshergada and past chair of Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee,
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Speaker 2: Michael Danby. Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 3: Michael.
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Speaker 2: How much pressure is the PM under to put his
44:24
Speaker 2: hand up and say me too or considerable?
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Speaker 11: You just saw Jim Chalmers's statement, so he's the rest
44:32
Speaker 11: of the parliamentary leadership going along with it. But the
44:35
Speaker 11: question for Canada and all these countries is does the
44:38
Speaker 11: world was it created yesterday? You're in nineteen forty eight,
44:43
Speaker 11: in the year two thousand, in two thousand and eight,
44:46
Speaker 11: in two thousand and thirteen, there were offers of the
44:49
Speaker 11: Palestinians to a full state alongside Israel and were refused
44:53
Speaker 11: each time. Now Canada and Australia are going to go
44:56
Speaker 11: in and run a program of re education as we
45:00
Speaker 11: did in Germany after the Second World War, was called denartification,
45:04
Speaker 11: and we get the Palestinians to talk in reasonable democratic terms,
45:08
Speaker 11: and we get Muhammed a Bus to have an election
45:13
Speaker 11: four years into his twenty year term. I mean, that
45:17
Speaker 11: would all be progressed. But the last time, Steve we
45:19
Speaker 11: had a ceasefire, they are on the edge of concluding.
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Speaker 11: It's Steve Whitcoff and Penny Wong and all of her
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Speaker 11: mates announced a unilateral ceasefire is going to be imposed
45:28
Speaker 11: on Israel, and of course Hummas ran away because they
45:32
Speaker 11: wouldn't do the actual seaseply when they are getting the
45:35
Speaker 11: propaganda value from the Western countries.
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Speaker 3: So kosher.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Donald Trump said, what you're doing here is
45:43
Speaker 2: you're actually awarding rewarding.
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Speaker 3: Hamas by doing this.
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Speaker 2: He's right, isn't he?
45:51
Speaker 15: That has been his view and he, while has not
45:53
Speaker 15: explicitly said so, he has shifted away from the two
45:57
Speaker 15: state solution, which was sort of the implicit policy preference
46:01
Speaker 15: of many presidents Democrat and Republican previous previously prior to him, Obama, Bush, etc.
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Speaker 15: He has not said that he's toyed with ideas. It
46:09
Speaker 15: maybe rhetoric like the US taking over administration of Gaza
46:13
Speaker 15: and things like that to kind of break that long
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Speaker 15: time thing, because he does believe that it is rewarding Hamas.
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Speaker 15: It's not about the Palestinian people, but it is about Hamas,
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Speaker 15: and that's why he's really throwing fire against PM Carney
46:25
Speaker 15: right now because of their move.
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Speaker 2: Last night, Michael, speaking of Donald Trump, he's presented a
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Speaker 2: new shorter deadline to Russia to get them to grad
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Speaker 2: to a ceasefire in Ukraine ten or twelve days. He
46:38
Speaker 2: makes these comments about deadlines and keeps them tight, but
46:44
Speaker 2: he has been called Taco, of course. So what happens
46:49
Speaker 2: after twelve days if Putin presumably does nothing.
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Speaker 11: It'll put secondary sanctions on countries like India, China, and
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Speaker 11: Brazil which import most of their oil from Russia. And
47:02
Speaker 11: he'll say to them, you'll have one hundred percent tariff
47:05
Speaker 11: on all your other inputs to the United States if
47:08
Speaker 11: you continue to buy oil from Russia. So that will
47:12
Speaker 11: immediately stop from those countries. In fact, I think it's
47:14
Speaker 11: already stopping because the Chinese are very cautious commercially. But
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Speaker 11: the question is that will only influence things over time
47:21
Speaker 11: Steve so resupplying the Ukrainians with arms and increasing these
47:28
Speaker 11: financial sanctions, particularly on the only source of.
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Speaker 3: Revenue in Russia.
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Speaker 11: Russia is one big petrol station, and that's it. They
47:37
Speaker 11: haven't got anything else.
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Speaker 3: Kosher.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has in the past head of what he
47:45
Speaker 2: thought was a reasonable relationship with Putin. It seems like
47:48
Speaker 2: he's woken up to him finally.
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Speaker 15: He seems to have certainly evolved his position as the
47:55
Speaker 15: facts on the ground have evolved. And that is that
47:57
Speaker 15: he's been talking about how he's frustrated on a personal
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Speaker 15: level with Putin because they have nice conversations over the phone,
48:03
Speaker 15: and then he'll go and boond things later. That said,
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Speaker 15: I don't know that the fundamentals have changed in terms
48:09
Speaker 15: of how he views things, which is he is a
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Speaker 15: very transactional president Trump. He doesn't look at this through
48:14
Speaker 15: the lens of ideology that we have to protect Ukraine
48:17
Speaker 15: or protect democracy. He's more about he's on the ideology
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Speaker 15: I think is peace. He wants to stop the killing,
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Speaker 15: and he wants to make a deal to try and
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Speaker 15: get to that outcome, imperfect though it may be, so
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Speaker 15: that hasn't changed. I'm not sure how strongly he will
48:30
Speaker 15: go in terms of secondary sanctions, as Michael was saying,
48:32
Speaker 15: because he will pay a price for that politically elsewhere.
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Speaker 15: So I'm sure he's measuring all those options. But he
48:37
Speaker 15: is certainly changing his stance and willing to push harder
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Speaker 15: against Putin, more so than he was initially.
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Speaker 2: Always great to catch up with the both, Kasha, Michael,
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Speaker 2: thank you very much for that. I'll be back tomorrow
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Speaker 2: at six o'clock with the normal state price program. Plenty
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Speaker 2: to talk about tomorrow. I'll see you then,