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Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags - Megyn Kelly on Trump, CNN, Kamala Harris & the Media’s Trust Crisis · Salem Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Everyone knows CNN, MSNOW and Politico are totally unfair and
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: are only masquerading as news organizations. Yeah, that's deeply problematic.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: He sunk his client's chances. I mean, his lawyer's chances.
• 0:13
  Speaker 2: Right then and there.
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  Speaker 1: And it was the thing that the lawyer representing the
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  Speaker 1: news organizations. led with at the argument and there's a
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: reason for that i would have done the same.
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  Speaker 3: Megan kelly just unloaded on the legacy media but also
• 0:25
  Speaker 3: says trump handed them an opening i asked her how
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  Speaker 3: both can be true you've got to see that this
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  Speaker 3: woman is one of the best journalists we've ever had
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  Speaker 3: on the planet it's megan kelly megankelly.com of course incredible
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  Speaker 3: journalist the host of the megan kelly show which is
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  Speaker 3: just killing it on the charts megan how are you
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  Speaker 3: good to.
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  Speaker 2: See you i'm great how you doing joe paggs.
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  Speaker 3: I'm living the dream. I love going to the charts
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  Speaker 3: every day. Cause I want to see where I am
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  Speaker 3: and you're number one every day and you should be.
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  Speaker 3: I think the show is that good before I get
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  Speaker 3: into the whole, all the press stuff. Let me ask
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  Speaker 3: you about that. If you don't mind, why does your
• 0:54
  Speaker 3: show resonate so well with the audience? Cause I know
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  Speaker 3: there was trepidation at first. You weren't even showing yourself
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  Speaker 3: at first when you started doing the podcast. Why is
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: this working so well?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think, um, I don't know, Joe. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I try to just be honest. Sometimes I upset people.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes my audience disagrees with me strongly. But I think
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  Speaker 1: one thing about our show is we're very tolerant of
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  Speaker 1: dissenting viewpoints.
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  Speaker 2: So if I'm saying something that the audience... doesn't agree
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  Speaker 2: with or, you know, is.
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  Speaker 1: Rejecting, they know that while I have my own good
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  Speaker 1: faith belief, I'm not judging theirs.
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  Speaker 2: Like, it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm actually perfectly willing to hear them out
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  Speaker 1: and be told that I'm wrong. And, you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at agreeing, disagreeing agreeably. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: just the lawyer in me. So I think people like
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  Speaker 1: that because that way they get a different POV, but
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  Speaker 1: they don't feel like offended or like they're being attacked
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  Speaker 1: or like they're hated for their POV.
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  Speaker 3: When I have you on, people love it. And then
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  Speaker 3: some people hate it. It's very, very strange. I'm supposed
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  Speaker 3: to disown you because of what, what happened in 2015
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  Speaker 3: or something at a debate. Does that ever get old?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, people have these very long memories and they
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  Speaker 3: forget that you and Trump made up and they forget
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  Speaker 3: that you've got your own show and you, they forget
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  Speaker 3: that you do bring in, you know, differing opinions. Is
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  Speaker 3: it weird to you as it is to me that
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  Speaker 3: sometimes people will hang on something that might've happened 10,
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  Speaker 3: 15 years ago?
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  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't really bother me. It's not bad to
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  Speaker 2: be controversial.
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  Speaker 1: I've found in my time in the public eye, it's
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  Speaker 1: not enjoyable necessarily, but it's not bad professionally. There's something
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  Speaker 1: that makes me a lightning rod for some people, and
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  Speaker 1: that is only inert to my benefits. So it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like you can't complain about it. And I also
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  Speaker 1: feel like when it comes to Trump.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he.
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  Speaker 1: he gins up very strong opinions, both in his fans
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  Speaker 1: and his detractors. And there really are like groups of
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  Speaker 1: people who define themselves based on their feelings about Trump
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  Speaker 1: and how you feel about Trump, both pro and against.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not in either one of those groups. I do
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  Speaker 1: not define anything about myself based on Donald Trump. And I'm,
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  Speaker 1: you know, both a fan and an occasional detractor. And
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: that's appropriate for my role. And that upsets some people
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  Speaker 1: and I can handle that. And that's, that's fine by me.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, whatever, what am I going
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  Speaker 1: to do? There's some people who feel who don't like me.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine it, Joe Pax, but they're out there.
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  Speaker 3: I can't imagine it either. It's Megan Kelly. Follow her
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  Speaker 3: everywhere at Megan Kelly. Check out the Megan Kelly show,
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  Speaker 3: download it, watch it every day. It's funny that you
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  Speaker 3: said that I was at the gym the other day
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  Speaker 3: and a guy came up and gave me a fist bump.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Trump got it done with Greenland. And I went, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you got it done. And he said, the guy's always
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  Speaker 3: five steps ahead of everybody, including you and me. And
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: then I got an email from a guy who said,
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  Speaker 3: why do you defend every lie out of Trump's mouth?
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  Speaker 3: He is that lightning rod. Megan, do you think he
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  Speaker 3: likes being that person? I think he kind of likes it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he loves it. Are you kidding me? It's like
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  Speaker 2: when this whole thing broke.
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  Speaker 1: With the, you know, banning CNN and MSNOW and political from.
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  Speaker 2: The White House. And they were like, well, we won't
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  Speaker 2: cover you.
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  Speaker 1: You know, all the networks are like, well, we won't
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  Speaker 1: be covering one bit of you if you don't back down.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, did anybody think Trump was going to
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  Speaker 1: be like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, in that case, I back down. I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: all know him by this point. He loves fighting. He
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  Speaker 2: loves he is a.
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  Speaker 1: Walking middle finger. It is what we most of us
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  Speaker 1: love about him. It can be annoying at times if
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  Speaker 1: you're on the receiving end of it. But net net,
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  Speaker 1: it's a net positive, I think, for the country. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's no question he enjoys the fight.
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  Speaker 3: Where are you as a journalist? Where are you as
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  Speaker 3: a podcast host? Where are you as somebody who's an
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  Speaker 3: incredible lawyer? When it comes to President Trump saying you
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  Speaker 3: three entities can't be in the White House or in
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  Speaker 3: the press corps or on Air Force One anymore, legally
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  Speaker 3: speaking and then from all the other roles that you
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  Speaker 3: obviously have, where are you on that?
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  Speaker 2: I will tell you where I am. This is where
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  Speaker 2: I am. Who cares? I fucking hate this story. I
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  Speaker 2: hate it. I couldn't care less.
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  Speaker 1: I know what, you know, I realize he shouldn't do
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  Speaker 1: it because he's opened the door to everybody and you
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  Speaker 1: can't say not the one because of viewpoint discrimination and
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  Speaker 1: all that. And then he tried to say, oh, it's
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  Speaker 1: not viewpoint discrimination. It's a matter of state, whatever. I
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  Speaker 1: have no use for this. Everybody knows exactly what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone knows CNN, MSNOW and Politico. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That they are, you know, the Walter Cronkite of 1970
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  Speaker 1: trying to play it straight down the middle. And they've
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  Speaker 1: been unfairly targeted by this terrible tyrant in the White House.
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  Speaker 2: I just I don't have it in me. I can't pretend.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, yes, on paper, if we're discussing this
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  Speaker 1: without these three entities, you ask me, does the president
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  Speaker 1: have the right to ban three random news organizations based
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  Speaker 1: on their viewpoints about him?
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  Speaker 2: No, he doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: But then when we get into like the sticky wicket
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  Speaker 1: of what they actually do every day with 90% negative
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  Speaker 1: coverage of Trump and overwhelmingly positive coverage of Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 1: or whatever Democrat, Joe Biden, then it kind of breaks down.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you ask me like, Does my colleague at
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: Sirius XM, Howard Stern, have a right to be in
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  Speaker 1: the White House?
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  Speaker 2: The answer is no.
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  Speaker 1: Why would we be putting him in? You know, like
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  Speaker 1: if you want, like Bill Maher, he's a comedian who
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  Speaker 1: does a nighttime show.
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  Speaker 2: Does he have a right?
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  Speaker 1: No, he doesn't have a right to be in there either.
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  Speaker 1: How are they any different from them? How are they any,
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  Speaker 1: except they don't make us laugh. I just, so that's
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  Speaker 1: why I've spent, I spent no.
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  Speaker 2: Time on this. He's lost. That's not a surprise.
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  Speaker 1: The Trump appointed judge, last name Kelly, no relation, has
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  Speaker 1: allowed them back in the White House for now.
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  Speaker 2: The fight will go on. I think he'll continue to
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  Speaker 2: lose because Trump, you know, he gave it up. He
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  Speaker 2: said explicitly, I don't like the way they cover me.
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  Speaker 2: So that wasn't very helpful to his side.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. No one sees them as victims.
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  Speaker 3: And you're right about that. What's interesting is that Caitlin
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  Speaker 3: Collins had Michael Waltz sitting next to her outside the
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  Speaker 3: UN as she was complaining about how she couldn't cover
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  Speaker 3: the administration. And he obviously is in the administration. He said,
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  Speaker 3: I'm in the, what are you talking about? I'm on
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  Speaker 3: your show. I'll push back a little bit and I'm
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  Speaker 3: not a lawyer. So you're probably going to smoke me
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  Speaker 3: on this. But do you get tenure? Do you get
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  Speaker 3: an automatic pass? You get a hard pass in 1981
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  Speaker 3: if you're CNN and you always get to have it.
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  Speaker 3: You and I remember. Well, you probably don't remember. You're
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  Speaker 3: too young. But, you know, Dan Rather going after Richard Nixon.
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  Speaker 3: He made a name for himself. You had the guy
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  Speaker 3: from ABC who was always going after Ronald Reagan. And
• 7:19
  Speaker 3: that was Sam Donaldson. Exactly right. So and that was great.
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  Speaker 3: And Reagan took it, you know, on the chin and
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  Speaker 3: went back and forth with him. But do you get
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  Speaker 3: a hard pass and you always get it? There are
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  Speaker 3: estimated to be 50,000 so-called journalists in the country. There
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  Speaker 3: are 5 million podcasters in the country. Do we all
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  Speaker 3: have the inherent freedom of the press to be inside
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  Speaker 3: the Oval Office or inside the White House or on
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  Speaker 3: Air Force One every day? So once they get the pass,
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  Speaker 3: they get it legally forever? I don't see that. How
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  Speaker 3: does that work?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: But, you know, when the president is explicitly out there
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  Speaker 1: saying that he's banning you because of the way you're
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  Speaker 1: covering him, it's a problem. It looks like viewpoint discrimination
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  Speaker 1: by a government official under the First Amendment. That's why
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  Speaker 1: Trump got in trouble when he did it to Jim
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  Speaker 1: Acosta in the first term. And that's why It would
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  Speaker 1: have been helpful if he didn't say anything this time around.
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  Speaker 1: And next time around, if he wants to do it,
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  Speaker 1: like if he waits a suitable amount of time and
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  Speaker 1: then just decides that, you know, like it's gotten too
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  Speaker 1: crowded in there and some people are going to have
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  Speaker 1: to go.
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  Speaker 2: He'd probably be in a better position, though. This won't help.
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  Speaker 1: But they did side with him when he tried to
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  Speaker 1: kick the AP out of covering him in the pool
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  Speaker 1: and covering him in the Oval Office. A lower court
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  Speaker 1: judge said, no, that's a First Amendment violation.
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: But then the Court of Appeals said, no, it isn't.
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: You actually don't have a constitutional right to be next
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  Speaker 1: to the president in these small places. He can decide
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  Speaker 1: who's there. And then they tried to get the full
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: appellate court to weigh in and say, that's wrong.
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  Speaker 2: That's an outrage.
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  Speaker 1: And the full appellate court refused to do so. So
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: he's actually winning that battle. It's not as clear cut
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  Speaker 1: as the president's detractors would say. The problem here was
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  Speaker 1: he explicitly said it's their viewpoint.
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  Speaker 2: Like, that's not great. He kind of gave his own
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: lawyers an uphill battle.
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  Speaker 3: It's why I love your brain. I mean, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: even think about that angle. So if he just shuts
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: his mouth. And you three just don't have the pass.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have the room. We have three other people
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  Speaker 3: that want to come in. If he doesn't say anything
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  Speaker 3: about viewpoint, because literally he looked at the camera, looked
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  Speaker 3: at CNN and said 93% negative on Trump. You don't
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  Speaker 3: deserve to be here. So the fact that he says
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  Speaker 3: that shows that it's out of revenge or it's out
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  Speaker 3: of viewpoint, you know, censorship or whatever the hell he's
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  Speaker 3: trying to do. Right. So if he doesn't say that, literally,
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  Speaker 3: you think he's got a better case? Just because he
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: said that?
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's deeply problematic. He sunk his client's chances. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: his lawyer's chances right then and there. And it was
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  Speaker 1: the thing that the lawyer representing the news organizations led
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  Speaker 1: with at the argument.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a reason for that. I would have done
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  Speaker 2: the same.
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: But look, that's Trump. Who could forget in that deposition
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  Speaker 1: with the lawyer for E. Jean Carroll, who is herself
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: a lesbian, when Trump sat there and she was like,
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: Did you say that when you're a celebrity, you can
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: grab them by the P word and when you're a celebrity,
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: they let you do it?
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  Speaker 2: And Trump said, yeah. he was like, you know, since
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: the beginning of time, he said for thousands of years, that's,
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: that's been the case. He says, you know, unfortunately or fortunately.
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  Speaker 1: And then he looked at this unattractive lawyer and he
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  Speaker 1: was like, you, for.
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: Example, you would never be my type. And he said,
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: your client was never my type. That's Trump.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't care if it's going to undermine him in
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: a legal proceeding or in the public opinion. He's just,
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: it's like Sean Hannity once said to me, Trump's problem
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: is not that he lies.
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  Speaker 2: It's that he tells the truth. Wow.
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: It's Megyn Kelly. Go youtube.com slash at Megyn Kelly. Go
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: see at Megyn Kelly everywhere. Check out her show every
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: single day. We love the, we love the knowledge and
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: the friendships. Let's talk about Kamala Harris. Actually, I want
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  Speaker 3: to finish on the media for a second, if you
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: don't mind. In watching the media so-called coverage of this
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: White House, if you were advising Trump, you literally would
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: say just stop being Trump so much and he might
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: actually get what he wants. Is it a matter of
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: him putting his foot in his mouth every once in
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: a while or every day or so on? Because he's
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: turning people off sometimes. Well, a lot of times with
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: what he says and how he just continues to say it.
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  Speaker 3: If he just backed off for a second, he might
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  Speaker 3: actually be that much more effective.
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't say that. And I don't believe that. No.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think his problem is how he deals with
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  Speaker 1: the media because his base is Republican and right-leaning independents
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  Speaker 1: and we all hate the media.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't think there's any problem there. And he's
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: not going to win over the left-wing media. It's kind
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: of pointless.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: In fact, his numbers usually go up when he fights
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: with them. So there's kind of no downside in doing that.
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  Speaker 1: His numbers are down right now with Republicans because the
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: economy is in trouble and people are feeling it and
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: they are blaming him.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: Because he said Trump will fix it.
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: You know, it was all around the arenas when he
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: spoke and they believed him on that and their lives
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: haven't changed for the better. And that plus the unpopularity
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: of like the Iran war.
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  Speaker 2: Have sent his numbers diving.
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: And he can't end that war, and therefore he can't
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: end the inflation related to that war, which only exacerbates
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  Speaker 1: problem number one.
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  Speaker 2: And people are tired of that. They want their own
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: lives to improve.
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: So I think they'd blame whoever was in office, and
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  Speaker 1: Trump is not getting a pass, even from some of
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: the Republican base, even though his numbers are still decent
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: with the Republicans. We've seen some erosion, and he has
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: no support left with anybody in the left wing, and
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: he's lost the majority of independents as well. That's why
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: the numbers are not so great.
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  Speaker 3: Let me finish on the media thing by beating up
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: your former employer a little bit, and you might actually
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: agree with what they did. I don't. Fox News, I think,
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: is really, really stupid for jumping on the bandwagon with CNN, MSNOW,
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  Speaker 3: and Politico. They all hate Fox News. They make fun
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: of Fox News. They deride Fox News every day. Yet they, Joe,
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: we're going to not cover you on the pool either
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: because we're all for one and one for all. Those
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: entities would never do that for Fox News. I don't
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: remember them ever going above and beyond. They didn't report
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: on it. They didn't go above and beyond when you
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: were treated like you were treated. They didn't go above
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: and beyond when James Rosen was being investigated and spied
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: on by Obama. So would you, do you agree with
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: Fox News saying, let's join you and show you how
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  Speaker 3: we're all for one and one for all when they
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: are the unwanted stepchild to these people?
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  Speaker 1: I think Fox felt it had to because they did
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  Speaker 1: step in and defend Fox.
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  Speaker 2: That did happen, actually.
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  Speaker 1: Barack Obama tried to ban Fox— I think it was Fox Business—
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  Speaker 1: from sitting as Poole for one day of his coverage.
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: I can't remember what he was doing, but he tried
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: to ban them. And it was a very big deal
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: at Fox when he did this. No president had done
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: that in recent history. We were all like, what the F?
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  Speaker 1: And every single other.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: News organization came out and said, we won't be there either.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: Fox won't be there.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: Because the way Poole works is you have Fox, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC,
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: and NBC, and they all rotate whose pool, because these
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: are small spaces that the president's in.
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: You don't want six TV cameras. You just want the one.
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  Speaker 1: So you rotate whose pool for the day and all
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  Speaker 1: the networks will take that camera's feed. And it wasn't
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: really anything exciting. It was just like being the pool
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  Speaker 1: for the day. And he said no, because Fox isn't
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  Speaker 1: a real news organization. And sure enough, they, so Fox,
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  Speaker 1: I think felt it had no choice, but to now
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: that the shoe was on the other foot, I mean,
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: I would make the case to compare Fox of 20,
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: whatever it was, 13. I can't remember the year that
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: this happened. 14 to MS now today is.
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: An insult to Fox News.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: Fox was a real news organization with, I mean, you
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: looked at the primetime lineup.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: It was very fair and balanced, very fair. It wasn't
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: all conservatives. Like when I was there, O'Reilly was a populist.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: I was an independent.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Sean Hannity was a conservative. And Greta, nobody knew. Most
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: people thought she was a Democrat. So Fox always had
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: different points of view represented. That is not at all
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: what's happening on MS now and hasn't been happening for years.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: So you could make a case that times have changed
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: and Fox didn't owe them that. But I think probably
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: the conversation behind closed doors was given the history they
• 14:55
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• 14:56
  Speaker 3: It's the remarkable Megyn Kelly going to check out everything
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: that she does, taking everything she does. You probably are.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: She's number one on the podcast list. I'm like number 32,
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, there's Megyn on top. Where did
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: I fall today? Let's talk about Kamala Harris. Is she
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: the gift that keeps on giving? The number one video
• 15:10
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• 15:14
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• 15:19
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• 15:21
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• 15:24
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• 15:29
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• 17:06
  Speaker 2: What's with the black scent?
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Honestly, like we've all heard her talk a million times
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: and she.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Doesn't talk like that. And she's like, it's okay. If
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: you don't support a candidate, it's okay. We, she doesn't
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: talk like that. What is like, who does she think
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: she's fooling?
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: She's such a fraud and her, her blacks. And we
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: all know like the barbershop didn't even believe she was black, right?
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Those black guys during the campaign were like, she's not black.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: She's Indian. That's the part of her heritage. She's always
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: leaned into.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Um, Now she's playing it up because she's in front
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: of the NAACP. The New York Times will defend it
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: as code switching. But like, let's give me a break
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: that she doesn't talk like that. And it's an affectation.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: And you could see, you know, the people there, I'm sure,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: weren't buying it. Just same as the Democrats didn't buy
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: it and didn't put her in the office. Then at
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the separate event with El-Sayed, the man looked like he
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: wanted the eject button from an F-16. If he had one,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: he would have pressed it.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: He would have been launched. Because whatever you think of El-Sayed,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: he's a good politician. He's a smooth talker.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure he was looking at her like, oh
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: my God, how did that person become the vice.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: President and the nominee for this party?
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: So I guess he thought that she would help him
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: with black voters. Well, that remains to be seen.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But She's such a phony.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Like, she's halfway between her black sin and her drunk talk.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: You know, like, it's okay if you vote for someone.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like, I thought I was telling on him.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: You're like, what?
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: What did she say? I think next to El Sayed,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: she said something about DEI is an attack on maternal
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: instincts or something. Like, what are you talking about?
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: And also, we all know that. We all know. We do?
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: No, we don't. How?
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Can you tie it together for me? And of course
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: she cannot. Maybe she could bust out her Venn diagram
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and walk us through it. But look, whenever she does
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: this kind of thing, I don't know about you, but
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, please God, please God, let her run.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Please let her be. Like, I don't want Gavin Newsom
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: instead of Kamala Harris. I want her.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: You know how they say, like, he says he's not
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: going to run unless she doesn't.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, I accept. I want her. I don't want him.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: But I don't think she's going. I don't think. She's
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: got a better chance than Gavin Newsom. I guess I'll
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: say that.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know whether she's going to run, but I
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: don't think she's got a better chance than Gavin does,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: because I do think the Democrats are worried about running
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: a woman again. You know, they lost with Hillary. They
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: lost with Kamala. And because they are not.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Self-aware. They think this is because they.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Were women that they lost. They don't realize that we'd
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: be happy to vote for a woman, just not those two.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: And so I think they're going to be reluctant to
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: give Kamala another go at it, another bite at that apple.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And they'll probably go with the white Christian man because
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: they think it's because we're all racist, sexist.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: That we didn't vote for those particular two women.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which of course is dumb. Do you think that
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom was giving her a very loud signal as
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: he was pretending to fish with Jake Tapper the other
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: day in some stream in Montana? He stands there, well,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: if she runs, I won't run. He does this. Was
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: that a code? Look, donors, get her out if you
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: want me.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, a code not to her, but to the donors. Yes, absolutely.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: So that's what it was.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Great way to reach them all on CNN. He's got
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: like maybe 4,000 viewers and.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: They're all Democrat donors. So great.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: You've gotten to all of them in one fell swoop.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And he's trying to ratchet up the pressure on her
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to get out.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Like you can't do it.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: And then sure enough, we got to piece in Politico
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: right after that, eight of her aides allegedly saying, I
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: think it was Politico, saying she can't do it. You
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: had eight aides, five said she's not going to do it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: She's not really building the apparatus. Plus there's a reluctance
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: within the party to try somebody.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Who's already lost.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: And then the other three aides were like, I don't
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: think so.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Or I'm indifferent. And just one was like, oh, I
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: think she'll run.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: So the party establishment, you know, I think is basically
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: starting the push to get her out.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Like they'd much prefer him to her. They think he's
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: got a better chance than she does.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: They see AOC coming up and the more establishment wing
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't want her. So they've got to get their candidate.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: And both of these two are woke warriors. So like
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: there's no difference there, except one is a loser and
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: one isn't, you know, he's done pretty well. So I think, yeah,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: if you had to put money on it, you'd go
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: with him.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine somebody giving you $ 2 billion and you
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: not doing whatever it was they wanted you to do?
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: You give me $ 2 billion and I'll do just about
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: anything on the planet and I will accomplish it with
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: that kind of funding. She had $ 2 billion and still
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: is complaining about it's because she's ethnic this or she's
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: a female that. And she does appear to feel entitled
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: to it. You think she's going out there and doing
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: these events on her own? Is there some apparatus that's saying,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: why don't you go out there and let's see how
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: they feel about you? Because you're right. She sounds half
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: drunk half the time, putting on a different cadence every
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: other time, repeats herself the entire time. Why do you
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: think she is out there? Is this her pushing herself?
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Because I think you're right. I think the donors don't
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: want her.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: By the way, go back and listen to her vice
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: presidential debate with J.D. or her presidential debate with President
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Go see if she sounded like this, the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: one with ABC. She didn't sound like that at all.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: She sounded like Attorney General Kamala Harris. She sounded normal,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: like she wasn't doing any sort of weird.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: She's done them all. She was like talking like she
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: normally talks.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: So it's just all an affectation. I do think it's
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the it's some wing of the party, because let's face it,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the base of the Democrat Party is black women.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: And that's fine.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, but like the assumption that you then have
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: to be a black woman for them to back you,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I think is nonsense. You know, I think they backed
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton very happily. I think in the end they
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: came behind Joe Biden, too. And I think they'd go
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: behind most Democrats who are somewhat normal. The problem with
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is like that's all she had to appeal
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to them was her skin color and her lady parts.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And like, that's only going to get you so far.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: But I do think there is a constituency within the
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Democrat party that believes those are the most important things
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: if you want to get elected as a Democrat. And
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: certainly if you want to win a Democrat primary, I just,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I think it underestimates black women, first of all. And
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I think it's just very short-sighted in terms of like
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: what actually would resonate in the long term.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Like, but Kamala Harris, Everyone knows she has no talent. Like,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: all you have to do is listen to her for
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: two minutes to.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Realize she has none of the gifts that their biggest
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: players have, from Michelle Obama to Barack Obama to Bill
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Clinton and even Gavin Newsom, though he's very weird.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: He's very, like, doped up, it looks like, with the hands.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: It looks like he's had too.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Much Adderall and, like, too much caffeine and, like, the
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: guy out on the runway. He's very distracting.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: He's not nearly as smooth as he kind of gets
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: credit for. But he's good looking. He's got the widow's peak, which,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you know, women seem to like.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Whatever. Gavin Newsom is such a fraud. It is somebody
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: who's not a fraud. Megyn Kelly. Go check out Megyn
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: everywhere where she is. Her platforms are blowing up. She's
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: number one across the board and number one in my
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: heart for sure. Let's talk about the DSA a little bit.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: The DSA is worrisome. I'm here in Texas, as you know.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: We met up in San Antonio not long ago. James
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Tallarico is a scary candidate. First of all, he speaks
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: like Barack Obama. And I think they're all going to
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: this school now to speak like Barack Obama. It's effective
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: for some unfortunate reason. Obama was great at it. Everybody else,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: like John Ossoff in Georgia, they all try to act
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: like that. This guy, Greg Kassar, who's out in front
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: of this ice shooting now.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Josh Shapiro.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Right. They all speak that way. And it's so freaking weird.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: But Tallarico is a real problem because he's lying about
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: his faith. He's lying about just about everything that he's
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: ever said in his recent history. And he's like tied
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: with Ken Paxton. So is that a service of Ken
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Paxton personally being less effective than we would like? As
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Attorney General, he was very effective. He's a very good
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Attorney General for Texas. Or is this an affectation of
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: a guy like Tallarico just jumping on every bandwagon over
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: the past 10, 15 years to see what worked for
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: the left and just lie his way into the job?
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: What do you think is going on with the DSA
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: and why they're being so successful so far?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: The Texas problem is a function of Ken Paxton. It's,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: you know, by all rights, this guy should be getting creamed. Talafrico,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: as Trump accurately calls him. How can this guy be
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: winning in Texas? Texans, we rely on you to stop
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: people like this from coming to the U.S.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Senate. Where are you?
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: You've got to make sure that you go out and
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: vote this guy down. But I think there are a
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: few problems here. I think like, I actually don't know
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Ken Paxton at all. I just know what I read
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: about him. And what I read about him is how
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: unpopular he is in the state of Texas, according to
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the polls. There was just a piece out today that,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: you know, did a little focus group.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: And it was like all of them were like, he's
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: a fraud. He's a con man. He's dishonest. He's a cheater.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: He's it was like, oh, well, that's not great for
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: our Republican nominee. It was known that he was going
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to have some of these problems. And I think people
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: rolled the dice and said, we don't want the establishment type.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Cornyn is all, you know, about his donors and he's
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: controlled by his donors.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: We don't want that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: But unfortunately, the little lily pad they leaped off onto
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: has got a lot of problems and seems to be
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: sinking as we speak. And Talafrico has the ability to.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Smooth talk when he's in the right setting.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, one of the people he's managed to woo
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: is Joe Rogan, who seems to really like him a
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: lot and has some influence, including in Texas. And really
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: seems to be like vouching for this guy. And I'm
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: actually kind of worried that we're going to see this guy, Tallarico,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: on Joe Rogan right before the vote to push last
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: minute people over the edge.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: But, you know, their disdain.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: For Paxton seems to be something they're having trouble getting over.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: And at a minimum, those people will stay home. You know,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: like they don't feel motivated to go out and pull
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: the lever for him. So we're in a dangerous position
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: down there. It's not it's not it's not great.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I thought it was hilarious how Trump said he doesn't
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: look very good, doesn't speak very well, but he's really
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: good at the job when he was talking about Ken
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Paxton at that event a couple of weeks ago. Tallarico
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: is a problem because you're right, Rogan platforms him a lot.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: And he said that Christianity supports abortion. He said that
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: God is non-binary. He said that he loves the trans kids.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: There are six genders. That's just the beginning of it.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: They have undercover video now of his pastor from his
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: so-called Presbyterian church. It can't be where she's saying this
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: is a church that is not really about religion.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: What? And that they want Donald Trump assassinated.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Right. And that doesn't seem to move the polls. It's
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: like a dead heat here in Texas. Let me ask
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: you this. Why was Donald Trump able to rise above
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: all of the philandering, all of the page six stuff
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: that he literally did, and still people love the guy,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: whereas Ken Paxton has a lot of that same baggage,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: and they're not giving him a pass? What's the difference?
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: One's dynamic, one is not? I mean, is that all
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: it takes?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: In a word, charm.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Paxton has none of it, not from what I've seen.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: And he doesn't, you know, he can't turn what he's
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: done around into something that like, you're like, oh, he's
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: a bon vivant, you know, like, oh, this is just
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: who he is.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Whereas Trump, always with a wink and a nod, kind
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: of gave you like a little wiggle room on the denials,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you know, like enough to say like, well, I don't
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: believe it, but like he kind of, like with Marla Maples,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: you know, like next thing you know, you'd be reading
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: about how it was the best sex she ever had, allegedly,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and somebody in the background, you know, you know, was
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: allegedly verifying it, you know, named John Miller or whatever
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: his code name was when he was calling the page
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: six about himself.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Remember, he was acting as a self-PR person.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: People thought that was funny. They literally have an audio
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: tape of him calling in on behalf of him, and
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: then he later said it wasn't him. Like, you could
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: hear it's totally Donald Trump. So he was the master
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: of that. Is that what it is about PR and
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Ken Paxton's horrible at it?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Well, we knew him. We knew him. That's the other thing. Like,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: nobody knew who Ken Paxton was, really. I mean, before
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: he got into politics.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: But like Trump had years in New York and then
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: nationwide is like being this character, this like beloved billionaire
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: who would sort of mouth off and say some really
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: smart and sometimes some really controversial, crazy, fun things. And
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: there was like an affection for the guy.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know. He's like sort of part of the
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: New York landscape and part of the American landscape. Yeah.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: And no one cared what happened between Trump and his ex-wives.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: It was like, whatever.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: That's like some eccentric billionaire. And then he came on
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: the national stage and started.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Owning it all. Like he wasn't really owning the marital infidelities.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: But like when he's like, yeah, you know, i've bought
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: and paid for all these politicians sure i donated to
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: hillary why how do you think you know i understand
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: what she does and how corrupt she is right and
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: owned it and said he was going to sort of
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: be in there exposing these these secrets on our behalf
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: now that he was now going to work for us
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: all of that worked Ken Paxton, he never does press.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: He doesn't do, I can't like think of a version
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: of him speaking on camera and I'm in media and
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I'm in right wing media.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: So it's like independent, but I'm right leading. Where is he?
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Why doesn't he defend himself? Why is the main thing
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I know about him that he's a cheater, that he
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: was brought up on charges within the Texas Senate and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: then he was exonerated, but like he was in a
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: lot of trouble from his own party and that Trump
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: thinks he's extremely homely.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Like these are the things I know about him.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: I've had him on the show a lot of times,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: but you're right. Ken is not campaigning at all. And
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: I don't get it because Tallarico is everywhere. The guy's omnipresent.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Do you think that they're waiting until the last month?
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, what are we holding back? First of all,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I don't love that you're only attacking Tallarico. Ken Paxton
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: will win if he says, I sued Google and I
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: won for you. I sued to stop online censorship and
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: I won for you.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: The trans thing.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Wonderful. He did an incredible job on that. He's
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: a great attorney general. And they're not flying that flag
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: at all. They're only going after Talafrico. So, I mean,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know what, if you were in that campaign,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't be, but if you were in there helping
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: him on the campaign, wouldn't you tell him, go hit
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: the street, man, go do something?
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Not just that. I would have him own up to
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: the marital issues. It's like the Democrats were going to
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: hold onto that Graham Platner when it was like only
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: three women who accused him of sexual assault.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: It wasn't until the one like went on the record
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: with the rape claim that they were like, oh, I
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: guess we got to turf him out.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: So it's like, he hasn't been accused of that. Like
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: marital infidelity.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: It's not great, but it's, and I realized it's Texas
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: and it's deeply Christian, but it's still like, to your point,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: they got past it with Trump, but they could probably
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: forgive him for it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: If he would just be like, I'm so embarrassed.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: You know, like I, I'm not proud of this.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: This is what happened.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: And the other stuff he was exonerated on, I mean,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: he should be hitting that more, you know, like, yes,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: they threw all this stuff at me, but I was
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: found not guilty. And now they're just trying to, you know,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: hang that around me, but I'm not going to go
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: trans your kid. I'm not going to be chopping off
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: penises of five-year-old little boys.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Right. I'm not in favor of that.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Like this is, We are talking about such an extreme
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: worldview over on the other side, and somehow he's getting
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: away with it. I do think, you know, being sort
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: of blessed by the Joe Rogans of the world, I'm
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: not blaming Joe Rogan. He can like whatever he likes.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: just saying he's a big influence and especially down in Texas.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if I were Kim Paxton and
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know him, you know him better than I do.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: If he has any ability whatsoever to charm, he should charm.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: He should go on. I would interview him, but like,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: let him try to charm me. I'm charmable. Um, I'm
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: pretty open-minded. I want him to win.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Um, but he, he's got to do something to change
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: this game because right now it looks like he's losing.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Breaking news. Megan Kelly is charmable. It is Megan Kelly,
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: the Megan Kelly show. Go follow her everywhere. Let me
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: finish with this, and thanks for all the time and
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: the friendship, as always. Are you as concerned as I am?
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: You live more in the online space than I do.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're also on Sirius, of course, but I'm
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: on terrestrial radio, so I've got a different thing going there.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: But online, my online presence is something I focus on
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: a lot. I do a lot for online every day.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: So do you. You do way more than I do.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Are you as concerned as I am with the fact
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: that they can misconstrue our words and it sounds like us?
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: They can show a video and it looks like us?
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: This AI takeover of online stuff. in the space where
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: we live is really scary because you can lose somebody
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: with one video, one sentence, one anything if it's somehow
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: manipulated by somebody with a machine. Are you afraid of that?
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I can't stand it. There's an AI video right now
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: of me out there.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know what.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: It has something to do with Russia. I don't know
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: what it is, but Some people DMed it to me saying,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: is this actually you? And it's like, no, but how
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: are you going to fight against it? It's like teaspoons
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: in the ocean. You don't even know who came up
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: with it. And it's like if I went out there
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: and denied all the false things that are said about
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: me every day, I'd be doing nothing else. So generally
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I just kind of ignore it and hope that over
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: time people realize this stuff is bullshit. But I really
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: believe the law has not caught up with the AI
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: abuses that are out there. And I actually do believe
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: we need legislation requiring AI videos to be labeled AI.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I really think that's important. People can no longer tell
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: what's real from what's fake. And that's not our right.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: We are entitled to know. And not only is it
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: necessary for things like this, where people are being misrepresented,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: especially if your voice is out there in any meaningful
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: way or your image, they can make a convincing AI
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: of you now. But it's important for those of us
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: who want to buy human, you know, who like in
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: our movies and our TV presenters and whatever, would prefer
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: if given the choice to exercise with our dollars, a
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: preference for humans over AIs, we probably would.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I would. But sometimes it's getting so good, you might
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: not know. So I really think that there needs to
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: be legislation.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not usually proposing legislation, but I think there needs
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: to be some saying, AI must be labeled AI in
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: all circumstances. And if there's anything out there that's not,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the penalty has to be pretty substantial so that somebody
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: who is misrepresented can send one nasty legal gram and
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: that shit gets taken down like that.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm with you 100%. It's a scary thing. I
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: was playing a video game yesterday and there are ads
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: in the game. And an ad came up and it
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: sounded just like Dave Ramsey trying to sell me something financially.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: And it clearly wasn't him. I can still tell a
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: little bit by the audio. when it's AI versus real,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: or even the speech pattern. But it's getting so good
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: that they will take your popularity, use it for their
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: own wealth and their own gain, and you get nothing
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: out of it. So I'm with you about marking it AI,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: but I think the nefarious players aren't going to mark anything.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: They're still going to pretend that it's Megyn Kelly. Something
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: has to happen, and I'm against over-regulating as well, but
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: something has to happen to protect people like you and
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: me and to protect our audiences who are being lied
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: to through these things. Megan, you're amazing.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. It's annoying.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Even if you're not on television or on the camera,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: haven't we all been fooled 10,000 times by like.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, that baby seal is so cute.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: And then your kid is like, that's AI. Like we
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: have no idea. The older we are, the dumber we
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: are when it comes to discernment here. And I do
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: think we could use an assist. It could just be a.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Tiny little thing with AI in a circle or on
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the ads with the lady's voice.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: This voice was manufactured with AI or whatever, with the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: help of AI, however it needs to happen. And I
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: predict that we will have such a requirement within the
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: next five years, because this is just about to explode.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: It actually hasn't gone full bore. But it's about to
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: because the technology is getting so much better by the week.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: We tried just for kicks like a year ago to
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: see what would happen if we tried to make my
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: voice AI, like within the company, just to see.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't there yet. It wasn't very good.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: And then like six months into it, we tried it again,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and it was perfect. It was scarily perfect.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: And the reason why is this race against China, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: that's why they're all stepping it up. We have to win.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: We have to beat China. We'll talk about foreign policy
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: next time, the visit by Xi next time. Thanks for
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: making time. Keep on kicking ass. I strive to be
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: like Megyn Kelly every single day, and I'm super proud
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: of your success.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, and just for the record, this is the real
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Joe Pags and the real Megyn Kelly.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, it is. And the real Megyn Kelly, thank you
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: so much. I appreciate you.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Great to see you.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: That's it for this one. Another Unshaken and Unafraid with
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Joe Pags to drop very soon. We'll see you then.