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Patriots Unfiltered 10/22: Jaguars Recap, Maye's Progression, Defensive Struggles · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 5: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 5: at ji Lets Stadium, and we got a lot to
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  Speaker 5: talk about a lot of it's good. Yeah, but it's Evan,
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  Speaker 5: it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce, it's Matt and the
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  Speaker 5: booth and we are talking Patriots for the next two hours.
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  Speaker 5: We're gonna get into it, starting with the game started. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: ten nothing, What.
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  Speaker 6: Might be the best start of a game? Yeah, that
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  Speaker 6: they've had in at least at least in two seats.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I was thinking to myself, oh, this is
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  Speaker 5: another London game, you know, seven thirty.
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  Speaker 6: Five seven, you know, I didn't even think of that.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, but it's like Pittsburgh last year. Didn't they
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  Speaker 6: go right down the field and scored against Pittsburgh last
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  Speaker 6: year and that Thursday night.
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  Speaker 7: Game, like but it just collapsed And I have a confession, Freddy, Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I was this close. Not I was one defense held
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  Speaker 7: off though I was one defensive stop away from the NOD.
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  Speaker 7: I looked at Mike and I said, if they stop
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  Speaker 7: them again here, I think this game is old.
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  Speaker 8: They didn't stop stopped.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to get into a bit. I'm I'm probably
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  Speaker 5: more concerned about I'm concerned about the play in the fields,
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  Speaker 5: particularly from the defense, but I'm probably more concerned about
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  Speaker 5: what's going on off the field than I am what's
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  Speaker 5: going on on the field.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, fair point, you know, but we'll.
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  Speaker 5: We'll get into it all opening thoughts, anyone, those are mine.
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  Speaker 6: I always like to defer to Evan because Mike and
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  Speaker 6: I do a two hour postgame show, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 6: did unbelievable ratings.
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  Speaker 9: I want to know why.
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  Speaker 6: I'm told, you know, minus the interim host the pre
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  Speaker 6: and post game show, we had Boffo Ricords.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: No, actually, Matt was in all seriousness. I poke fund
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  Speaker 6: at no socks all the time. He was tremendous on
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  Speaker 6: the pregame show, giving us a little flavor of London.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah and all that.
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  Speaker 5: So I think those kind of especially the postgame show,
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  Speaker 5: elicits that kind of game. Elicits a visceral response and
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  Speaker 5: people want that outlet.
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  Speaker 8: It was the highest. It was the highest since Mac
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  Speaker 8: heard his foot coming off with the Ravens.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: In that game, which was another one, Yeah, felt like
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  Speaker 8: they wanted to come in with haste.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. I got a score of three point eight. Oh, Mike,
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  Speaker 6: this is out of twenty two. That was the scale.
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  Speaker 6: So Mike and I talked for two hours. We always
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  Speaker 6: like to let Evan go first on Tuesdays.
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  Speaker 9: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 9: I would just say first thought was, I was writing
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  Speaker 9: game observations. I was writing my lead and I wanted
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  Speaker 9: to say it in a nicer way. And then Girodmeo
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  Speaker 9: just came out and called them soft. So I was like,
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  Speaker 9: all right, well, I'm just gonna quote the head coach
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  Speaker 9: here because that is, to a t what a soft
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  Speaker 9: football team plays like. I'm not saying that the players
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  Speaker 9: themselves are soft.
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  Speaker 5: They played soft, but they played soft.
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  Speaker 9: You can't run the ball, you can't stop the run,
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  Speaker 9: you can't cover kicks, like those are the three boxes.
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  Speaker 9: And this is not a Girodmeo thing. This is actually
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  Speaker 9: a Bill Belichick thing. Like this is a football tenant
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  Speaker 9: cliche type of thing that if you can't do those
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  Speaker 9: three things at least at a competitive level, that you're
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  Speaker 9: gonna get blown out. And that's exactly what happened on
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  Speaker 9: Sunday if you ask me, you know, they really did
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  Speaker 9: not control the line of scrimmage on either side of
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  Speaker 9: the football, and they got beat up. They got their
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  Speaker 9: butts kicked on the line of scrimmage. And if you're
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  Speaker 9: gonna play like that, as much as Paul and I
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  Speaker 9: like to talk about the run game not mattering in
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  Speaker 9: the passing game being the more shiny thing of these
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  Speaker 9: two things, that's football in its simplest form is let's
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  Speaker 9: line up, let's run the ball sixteen straight times right
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  Speaker 9: down your throat, and if you can't stop it, then
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  Speaker 9: we're gonna get out of here with the double digit win.
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  Speaker 9: And that's exactly what happens.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, the baseline of a functional football team is are
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  Speaker 8: the thunks you're saying?
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  Speaker 2: And I think the.
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  Speaker 8: Point about the passing attack is true, because that's what
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  Speaker 8: you need to be great. But if you can't run
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  Speaker 8: the ball and you can't stop the run, it's it's
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  Speaker 8: not really about winning games. That's just about the difference
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  Speaker 8: between a five to six seven win team and a
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  Speaker 8: one two three.
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  Speaker 6: It's like the equivalent of the Belichick cliche. But you know,
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  Speaker 6: we can't even get the quarterback to center exchange if
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  Speaker 6: you can't just like be adequate stopping the run. No
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  Speaker 6: one suggesting you have to, you know, like the Ravens
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  Speaker 6: I think came into the game last night at allowing
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  Speaker 6: like fifty five yards a game on the ground, Like,
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  Speaker 6: you don't have to do that, But can you not
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  Speaker 6: allow one hundred and ninety three, one hundred and ninety
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  Speaker 6: two and one hundred and seventy one yards rushing in
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  Speaker 6: three consecutive games? I think there, I think it's one
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  Speaker 6: hundred and sixty five per game since Bentley got hurt, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: those numbers are unacceptable and you can't you can't be
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  Speaker 6: that bad.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Bentley was the stalwart in stopping the run,
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  Speaker 5: let's face it, but you can't be that bad, you know,
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  Speaker 5: even with him out, even with.
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  Speaker 6: You should be able to just scheme it up and
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  Speaker 6: stop the other team from running at some point. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: not allowing seventeen consecutive run plays.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean their linebacker play is tough to watch.
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  Speaker 9: It's tough to watch, and I feel for guys like
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  Speaker 9: Jelani Tavai, because I think Jelinaevia is a good football player,
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  Speaker 9: you know, solid football player. Nothing, he's not in the
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  Speaker 9: Hall of Famer, but he's a solid player. And he's
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  Speaker 9: just swimming in it right now. And I assume that
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  Speaker 9: it's because Bentley's not next to him doing a lot
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  Speaker 9: of the dirty work that made Jelani Tavai good. But
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  Speaker 9: he's now more at the point of attack. He's getting
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  Speaker 9: attacked in coverage, he's getting attacked on the ground, he's
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  Speaker 9: missing tackles in the hole. Like it's just it's difficult
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  Speaker 9: to watch.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, I would imagine offensive Cordnator coordinators are
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  Speaker 5: looking at this defense right now in saliva because football
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  Speaker 5: is a matchup game. Yeah you can if you can
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  Speaker 5: scheme up the matchups, and right now there's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of matchups to be had with this Patriots defense, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 5: And these coordinators are smart, you know, and they see
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  Speaker 5: what's going on, they see what's on tape, and they
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  Speaker 5: see where they can get the advantages on these matchups,
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  Speaker 5: and they're doing it.
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  Speaker 8: And it felt like they've been one step ahead the
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  Speaker 8: last two games, like one step ahead with the big
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  Speaker 8: plays with no one to stick with the run, when
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  Speaker 8: to get away from it. It's just and there's no
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  Speaker 8: real feel of change in approach on either side of
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  Speaker 8: the ball right now. It feels like what you're like
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  Speaker 8: with notwithstanding with the first couple drives where it looked good,
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  Speaker 8: but you felt like they scripted that stuff. And then
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  Speaker 8: once it gets into the territory of all right, we
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  Speaker 8: have to adjust a little bit. Now this is how
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  Speaker 8: they're going to start playing us on both sides. There's nothing,
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  Speaker 8: there's nothing. What you see is what you get from
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  Speaker 8: that point on in the game.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it started. I agree with defense because they just
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  Speaker 6: they couldn't you know, they had the one stop up
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  Speaker 6: on the first drive and then they couldn't really stop
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  Speaker 6: him again and that allowed I think that kind of
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  Speaker 6: served as a cool a cool off for the Patriots offense.
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  Speaker 6: And I agree Mike and I talked a lot about
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  Speaker 6: the script ev if I don't know, you know when
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  Speaker 6: you watched it, when you did the review, it just
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  Speaker 6: I mean, they had a good game plan in this game.
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  Speaker 6: They I thought they had a good mix intermediate short stuff.
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  Speaker 6: The touchdown to Hasty was you know, I think great
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  Speaker 6: all around. I think they recognized the blitz was coming,
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  Speaker 6: May was on it, got it out quick, Hasty does
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  Speaker 6: a nice job in the open field of finding the
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  Speaker 6: end zone. Like I just everything about it was really,
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  Speaker 6: really good. And then all of a sudden, the other
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  Speaker 6: team is possessing the ball and you can't get it
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  Speaker 6: back and you go three and out, three and out,
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  Speaker 6: pressure and out, pressure builds and I think a five
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  Speaker 6: and out. I think they got one first down on
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  Speaker 6: a Kisehon Booty pass interference and that was it. Like
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  Speaker 6: they had really no first downs earned from the beginning
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  Speaker 6: of the second quarter to the middle of the fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 6: and that it's a long time to have no offense,
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  Speaker 6: and during that time the defense was powerless to stop.
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  Speaker 5: Jackson You had some stats about Jacksonville leading up to
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  Speaker 5: this game.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, like this is I mean yeah, this is
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  Speaker 6: not just a run of the mill battery. This is
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  Speaker 6: not a run of the mill bad defense they played
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  Speaker 6: on Sunday. This is the thirty second ranked the dead last,
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  Speaker 6: thirty second ranked pass defense. That's the fewest amount of
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  Speaker 6: points they've allowed in any game all year. Seven weeks
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  Speaker 6: into the season. Sixteen is the fewest amount of points
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  Speaker 6: they've allowed going into this game. The previous four games
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  Speaker 6: they were allowing thirty five a game per game, per game,
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  Speaker 6: thirty five per game, so not like skewed by one
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  Speaker 6: bad game, thirty five per game over a four week stretch,
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  Speaker 6: you got sixteen.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 6: And I actually don't have a huge problem with the offense,
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  Speaker 6: Like I know, I don't because I look at them.
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  Speaker 6: They're so limited with what they can do. They have
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  Speaker 6: a quarterback making his second career start. He wasn't great,
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  Speaker 6: but he wasn't the problem.
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  Speaker 5: We got a guy.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I hope so, I hope so, but he wasn't.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I didn't look at it and say, well,
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  Speaker 6: they would have put thirty five on the board if
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  Speaker 6: they had a quarterback. I didn't look at it that way. No,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I think the quarterback was the least of
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  Speaker 6: the issue.
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  Speaker 5: They might have done a little better if they had
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  Speaker 5: some receivers.
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  Speaker 6: And and maybe maybe a semblance of blocking a running game.
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  Speaker 6: And like everybody's all over Alex van Pell for running
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  Speaker 6: the ball, you were allowed to get a couple of
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  Speaker 6: yards when you run it, right, I mean it pathetic.
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  Speaker 6: You know if they ran the ball twice in the
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  Speaker 6: second half.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, there's so much there's so many different
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  Speaker 5: avenues we can go down here. But sticking on the
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  Speaker 5: offense for a second, what's going on with this receiver room?
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  Speaker 5: And I'm not talking about on the field what you're
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  Speaker 5: talking about, but I think the off the field stuff
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  Speaker 5: is blending into on the field. You know, Born basically
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  Speaker 5: called it out and you know, talking about eating and
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  Speaker 5: going out late and all this stuff. And then all
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  Speaker 5: of a sudden, you know, Booty was it? Booty found
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  Speaker 5: out that who found out that Osborne finds out eleven
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  Speaker 5: o'clock at night that he's playing. Well, the reason he
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  Speaker 5: found out eleven o'clock at night that he's playing is
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  Speaker 5: probably because somebody was doing something bad that was supposed
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  Speaker 5: to play.
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  Speaker 6: And that's a fair argument.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm only guessing, but there's stuff going on
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  Speaker 5: in that receiver And then you got Jalen Pope, you know,
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  Speaker 5: showing his ass several times, you know, both on Twitter.
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  Speaker 5: And who's the leader in that receiver room? Is it
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  Speaker 5: Kendrick Bourne? Because if it is, you have to step up, Well,
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  Speaker 5: you have to step up.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he tried a little bit. You had
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  Speaker 6: some comments to the Boston Herald to can okay.
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  Speaker 5: Well, needs it does, but the comments need to be
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  Speaker 5: to his teammates and he's got to get some help
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  Speaker 5: from his head coach. And that's a whole other issue
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  Speaker 5: with Gerad Mayo. Obviously, people are calling for right now,
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  Speaker 5: you know, calling for his head after seven game and
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  Speaker 5: I get it. You know, what's going on in the field,
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  Speaker 5: particularly with the defense, is alarming. And you would look
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  Speaker 5: at a defensive minded head coach for answers and there
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  Speaker 5: are none coming. But with him, I'm more concerned with
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  Speaker 5: the messaging and what's going on. How is he How
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  Speaker 5: is this locker room policing itself? Is it policing itself?
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  Speaker 5: Who are the people that should be policing it, because
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't look like it is right now. It looks
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  Speaker 5: like right now things are kind of getting a little
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  Speaker 5: crazy with this off the field nonsense. And I'm not
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  Speaker 5: getting a lot of confidence from the head coach. You
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  Speaker 5: know that said, he's seven games into his first year,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm sure you know Bill Belichick, who feels so terrible,
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  Speaker 5: you know, for the defense, I'm sure he wouldn't have
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  Speaker 5: liked it, and his first stint at Cleveland, other head
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  Speaker 5: coaches calling him out you know, so he must really
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  Speaker 5: have it out for Gerard Mayo for him to do
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  Speaker 5: what he's doing, because that's not like him. He doesn't
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  Speaker 5: do that the guys that he likes.
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  Speaker 6: That's unfair Bill, Bill's hurt.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, no, he's really heard minus Christian barb or Jabriel
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  Speaker 9: Peppers and Jawan Bentley. But other than that, yeah, but whatever, whatever,
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  Speaker 9: what what he's saying might be true, you know, like
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  Speaker 9: in terms of they shouldn't be performing this bad, but
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  Speaker 9: all the other crap is just vindictive Petty's stuff. And listen,
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  Speaker 9: I respect Bill, I'm grateful for everything he did, but again,
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  Speaker 9: he didn't do this in Cleveland, and I don't think
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  Speaker 9: he would have liked anyone calling him out in Cleveland.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think Tom Landry, when he was winless his
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  Speaker 9: first year in Dallas, or Chuck Nolo had one win
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  Speaker 9: his first year in Pittsburgh, or Bill Walsh who had
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  Speaker 9: two wins his first year and forty nine ers, would
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  Speaker 9: have liked any former coaches calling them out.
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  Speaker 5: You know, So you know whatever, you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 5: he's drawd males having a hard time. It's his first
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  Speaker 5: time ever being a head coach.
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  Speaker 8: That's a lot there. I mean, I look, I gotta
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  Speaker 8: I gotta agree with what you said about about Bill.
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  Speaker 8: I just I felt it's kind of not portrayal so
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  Speaker 8: much of my ochest of coaching in general, where I
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  Speaker 8: don't really feel like over these past seven weeks you've
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  Speaker 8: heard him really criticize any coaches at all, and then
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  Speaker 8: he has.
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  Speaker 6: He has an agenda against specific like the ones that
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  Speaker 6: are doing great are the ones that are somehow connected
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  Speaker 6: to him, tied to him, but specific to coaches? Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 6: oh god. He eviscerated the Falcons in the Week one,
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  Speaker 6: eviscerated them, like the point that you didn't block You
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  Speaker 6: didn't think t J. Watt was going to impact the game?
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  Speaker 6: How do you have him? Not? And he's destroying Kirk Cousins.
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  Speaker 6: What did Atlanta do? Oh? They hired someone else, not him.
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  Speaker 6: He's the epitome of a walking and talking contradiction. What's
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  Speaker 6: good for him isn't necessarily a good for you? Do
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  Speaker 6: as I say he is. Listen, he's the greatest coach
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  Speaker 6: in the history of the sport. He's a fraud. He's
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  Speaker 6: never ever practiced what he preaches ever, and that's not
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  Speaker 6: new now that he's no longer the coach. These are
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  Speaker 6: things that bugged me. And you know this, Fred, because
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  Speaker 6: you used to argue with me about it because he
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  Speaker 6: was ours and I get it, you know, he was
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  Speaker 6: ours and we loved him, but it was always on
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  Speaker 6: his terms. What I say today, well, okay, that matters today.
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  Speaker 6: If can you imagine if a coach for somebody that
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  Speaker 6: was out of work walked in front of his team
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  Speaker 6: pregame on the field. That's a violation of the coaching code,
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  Speaker 6: that's the sanctity. But it's okay for him and Matt
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  Speaker 6: Patricia to walk right by Nick Sirianni, who was on
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  Speaker 6: the hottest of hot seats right now because oh who's
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  Speaker 6: rumored to possibly be in line to take over for Siriani.
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  Speaker 6: We don't talk about those things, Fred, We have too
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  Speaker 6: much respect, We have too much respect for the coaching profession.
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  Speaker 6: He's a fraud, he's self serving, he's a fraud. He's
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  Speaker 6: always been a fraud. Doesn't mean he's not a great coach, right,
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  Speaker 6: but he's a fraud.
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  Speaker 5: You know, sometimes to be great, you gotta be a
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  Speaker 5: little weird.
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  Speaker 8: The will after that, I'm glad you jumped in on
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  Speaker 8: this because that was that was what I was kind
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  Speaker 8: of getting that though, that was that was the direction
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  Speaker 8: I was had. And it's just and it doesn't really
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  Speaker 8: like Grod is struggling right now, and it felt like
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  Speaker 8: piling onto me from him. And look, I mean, I
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  Speaker 8: think Girod's gotta get out of his own way with
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  Speaker 8: some of these comments.
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  Speaker 9: He does comment a little.
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  Speaker 8: Those parts of it too, but you know, to Bill
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  Speaker 8: come out to be like, I just feel for those guys.
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  Speaker 6: You know what Bill once said in Cleveland about his
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  Speaker 6: own team. Could they rushed the game because they couldn't
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  Speaker 6: run the ball the length of my bleep? He said
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  Speaker 6: that in a press conference in Cleveland. Yeah, so you
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  Speaker 6: think maybe you learn a little bit over.
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  Speaker 5: The Yearsly, you don't think he learned from that experience
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  Speaker 5: in Cleveland. You don't think he was criticized by the
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: way he behaved in Cleveland. Of course he did. Of
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: course he did. And Girod is learning as well. You know,
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: people are upset because you know, Robert Kraft anointed him
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: the head coach, which he did before. You know, you know,
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: basically any interviews, that's all true, that's all true, but
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: there's other things like, you know, I can't even get
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: into it. But hypothetically, hypothetically, you knowesn't sound like it's
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: going to be no no, But you know, everyone's coming
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: up with all these scenarios about, you know, Gerrod Mayo
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: having these one on one meetings with Bill Belichick while defensive,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: you know, meetings were taking place with Robert Craft. I'm
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: sorry with Robert Craft, and he's late for the meeting
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: because he's meeting with Robert Kraft or whatever. You know. Hypothetically,
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: let's just say that, you know, Bill told I mean,
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: I get my names mixed up. Let's just hypothetically say
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: that Robert told Bill, hey, Gerrod's going to be the
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: next head coach. You can stay here as long as
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: you want until you break the record, but he's gonna
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: be the next next head coach. I'd appreciate it if
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: you took him under your wing. And let's say at
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: that point, hypothetically Bill iced him out. You know, so
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: now Gerard is like, here's my mentor, here's the guy
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: who they called me Little Bill because I learned at
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: his knee about game, you know, evaluation and film watching
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: and all this stuff. Man, I could have used a
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: little help from him to prepare me for this job
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: that he knew I was gonna get and instead I
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: got iced out. Yeah, well, what if that happened? What
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: if that happened? I believe would that explain why maybe
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: Mayo might have been with Robert Kraft? I don't know,
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: but like there's there's probably things that went on that
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: we don't know.
• 17:46
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I mean that sounds part of the course
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: for Bill. If he found out somebody didn't like that,
• 17:50
  Speaker 8: he would easily have no problem talking to him.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: I'll go back on that. If he finds out that, oh,
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: you're making you're making a decision for me now all
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: of a sudden, someone he did like now is his enemy.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: That's how quickly he would he would shift.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: I may or may not have some experience in that department,
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: you know, and.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: It didn't have to be like this, and now it's
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: a freaking mess.
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: And it's probably gonna be. I mean, nothing's gonna restrain
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: Bill from continuing this. I mean, he's just I mean
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: and honestly, like as a Patriots fan, I kind of
• 18:21
  Speaker 8: felt like I felt the first year Brady was in Tampa,
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: where I just kind of have to eat pooh right
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: now because he's there and he's doing well and you
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: feel kind. And now Bill is somewhere else and now
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: he's just lobbing bombs as Listen.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: If if none of this happened and Bill got another job,
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: I'd be rooting for him, just like I rooted for
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Tom Brady when he went to Tampa.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: And I believe that, I believe that.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: Grateful for everything Tom did and everything Bill did. And
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: if Bill went to another team, I would root for
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: him to do well. But right now and I would.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: Just say, no, listen, no, I'm not I don't want
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: to separate these two things. I'm calling out Bill for
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: being disingenuous. Hits well within his rights to talk the
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: way he's been talking. I mean, I just think that
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: I'm seeing through it. It's this is all the stuff
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: that Mike Lombardi has said for him for the last
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: several years. Lombardi has been his bobo mouthpiece. Now Bill
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: is out of work, so he could just say it
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: himself and you can see all his agendas. You know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: what are some of the greatest or what are some
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: of the best run organizations in football? Oh, Dallas, Dallas.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: You see what they have. They have everything. Any coach
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: that couldn't win. He didn't. He left this part out.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: Any coach that can't win with all that talent that
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: they've acquired there he needs to go. Oh you think so?
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: You think who needs to come in? Everything is an
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: agenda for him. Again, he's well within his rights to
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: say everything he said, and he didn't say anything that
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: was necessarily wrong. Evan's right, he did conveniently, he does
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: what he always does. He always operates on the margins,
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: same players except for probably the best player, Christian Barmore.
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: Eight three of the best players.
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: No, I mean Barmore is like, you can't stop run,
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: you can't control the line of scrimmage, and your best
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: player on defense is a defensive tackle, right.
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: I mean if you think maybe that's your entire middle
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: of the defense is not there? That was there last year. Yeah,
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: Like that's the only part of it that bothered me
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: about what Bill said.
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: Well, I'll give you a couple of things that bothered me.
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: They were number one in run defense. No they weren't.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: They were fourth. They were number one in average yards
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: allowed per carry, which is a different category. That's a
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: different stat Fine, okay, semantics, but again, margins. He operates
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: in semantics. It's always on the margins. It's always you know,
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: you know, we were better than you you really thought,
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: And I'm gonna I'm gonna, you know, like, what was
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: it you know in the Super Bowl?
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Was it?
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: You know? It's a forty nine yard and I was
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: forty eight, you know, just because I'm gonna make the
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: decision look a little bit better to make myself look
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: a little bit better. He's always done that, and he
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: did that with that with with the stats yesterday, he
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: also leaves out conveniently, in my opinion, what was one
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: of the common denominators that I ranted about all the
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: time when people were talking about how good the defense
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: was last year that no one ever talked about. You
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: think it's easier to stop the run when Saquon Barkley
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: is the only thing the Giants have on offense that
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: day because they're not going to let Tommy DeVito throw
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: the ball all over the yard. And they had that
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: scenario about seven times last year where the other team
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: was basically like Miami was two weeks ago. And again
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: I'm not defending girod Mao's team. They couldn't stop the
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: team with a backup quarterback they could ran for one
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: hundred and ninety three yards with a backup quarterback. Right,
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: But let's you know, let's stop the enshrinement of myself
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: and let's call it all out. Let's put all of
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: the facts on the table. Yes, you were able to
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: stop the run when Tommy DeVito was at the helm,
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: or when it was a driving rainstorm against the Chargers
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: here in the offenses couldn't do anything, or the last
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: game of the season in a snowstorm. Yeah, you didn't
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: allow any running yards. That was a hunt.
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: They gave about one hundred and eighty one. That was
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: the only one that no, I know, I know, but
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: that was like the cherry on top of that whole thing,
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: Like the last game of the year.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: If you can't do it, if you can't stop the
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: run in the scenarios that the Patriots faced, I would
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: say eleven out of seventeen games last year, then you
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: really stink.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: And and a lot of this has to do with, oh,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: I was so bad, but they signed all the players
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: that I brought in.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, maybe they shouldn't have, but I've argued
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: against that.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So yeah, we're like Patriot's Nation is in trouble
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: right now. I mean we're hurting. I get it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: People are taking shots as people aligning.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: As opposed to what your guy says from from two
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: to six, Winning does matter to Patriots fans, even in
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: a rebuilding year. It does matter. How we perform on
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: the field does matter.
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: Are you saying that it's more beneficial or more enjoyable
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: to win the game than lose it.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: I think so, Paul. I think I'm saying that. Okay, Yeah,
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: I think I'm saying that.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's interesting.
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Fred, I want to go back to something you
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: said in your earlier in your rant of just the
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: passive aggressive shots. Salvo's going back and forth between players
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: in the media, and you mentioned born. We had Godshaw
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: a couple of weeks ago. We got a quality Now.
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: These are things that are very disconcerting to me because
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: it feels this.
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: I would didn't happen a lot with Bill.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, like.
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: The criticisms like this didn't happen when bell Wich, That
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: to me is is accurate.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: But Bill, but and but here's something And yes, Bill
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: set the culture, but his number one evangelist, his number
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: one soldier that sold that culture, that reinforced was Tom Brady.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: You didn't want to let Tom Brady down. He was
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: a team player, So we need to be a team player.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: And I, you know, I go back to what Dante
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Scarnecki has said. I forget who asked him. Maybe it
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: might have been. I don't know who it was. I'd
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: have been at as an induction ceremony. When did you
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: know that you had a good team back in the
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: early two thousands, said when we became a self policing
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: locker room. You know. And that means that that what
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: story about, and that means that the head coach doesn't
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: necessarily have to be that enforcer all the time because
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: he's got the soldiers that do that do it for him.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Bill Parks and by the way, Belichick learned that from
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: Bill Parcells. Bill Parcells said, you have to have it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: All come to my way of thinking.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: Bill Parcells said, you have to have your circle the
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: wagon guys when times are tough, when these are the guys,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: whether they're Pepper Johnson or whoever, that are going to
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: enforce my rules.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: And while not trying to like just completely be over
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: the top and defensive of Mayo and what's going on
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: what's going on, especially the stuff that you're talking about
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: off field, is unacceptable, But can we at least offer
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: the facts. Some of those circle the wagon guy, you know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: the guys that Girod wants to have circling the wagons,
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: are all the guys.
• 25:04
  Speaker 9: That got hurt, like Bentley the captain.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: You know, those are the captains you know, And for
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: a different reason, Pepper's like, those are the guys that
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: you know, we're taking on water. We need help. Who's
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: gonna Who's gonna help us? Who's gonna step out right now?
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: The guys that are all playing prominent rule? Like why
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: why are these young guys talking so much? Because there's
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: no one There's no one there, right, there's no one
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: there to police it. And I do think it's I'm
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: not telling you that that's why everything is happening. That's
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: why it's gotten. Don't confuse me saying that one and
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: six because of injuries. I think that some of the
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: maturity problems in the locker room are due to the
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: captains being injured. That's not the same thing as I
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: think you'd be one in six regardless.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: Some of the things that are happening off field I
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: think wouldn't be as bad if if they had the
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: Circle the Wagon guys. David Andrews, Joan Bentley, Jabrill Peppers,
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: those were circled the Wagon guys.
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: I was listening to to Ty Law. He's on a
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: podcast recently, and I don't remember which podcast it was,
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: but no, he was on podcasts and he was talking
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: about how during Scout Team him and Otis Smith started
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: running gassers sprints on the side field and back in
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: two thousand you know whatever, it was two thousand and one,
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: and a lot of the other defensive players started to
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: follow suit. But just like a couple of guys. Then
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: as it proceeded, Brady started running gassers with them. And
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: then all of a sudden, forty other dudes are running gassers,
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: get goose pumps, and.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: I feel like this should be music playing in the background.
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: I don't want to put it on a twenty two
• 26:48
  Speaker 9: year old. It's not fair. It's not fair to put
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: it on him.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: No, he's not ready for that.
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: I think, but he's going to have to eventually.
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: This is a great point though, Like back to like
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: the circle of the Wagon guys, add into that, you
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: brought in a veteran quarterback that you wanted to be
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: a leader, which I think he did a really good
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: job of. You can't do that as the backup quarterback.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: And then to Evan's point, the twenty two year old
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: can't do it. He's not ready. He's I think I
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: think he wants to do it. I heard him with
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: Andy yesterday on we I here locally. You know, Andy
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: asked him some questions about I think that's something that's
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: very very much front of mind for Drake May. But
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: he's not ready for this.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: Not ready.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: You can't have the young quarterback getting ready to make
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: his third career start. Isn't in a position to fix this.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: And by the way, whether it was Bill Parcell's teams
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: or Bill Belichick's teams, crap happened off the field, God
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: trust me, but it was handled off the field. It
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: was handled.
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: Do you remember the fight that McGuinness and molloy were
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: involved in, Sure.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Who is the receiver Brisbee.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: Someone that foret it was at the timeline. I think
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: they like hit each other with a poolchu. They was
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: like all kinds of static. Hell yeah, early on in
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: the Belichick era they worked through it. Yeah, and these
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: were like leaders.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Leaders took control and they handled it internally. You know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: you've got fifty three alphas. Things are gonna happen. Things
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: are gonna happen. It's just it's just inevitable on every team.
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: It's how you deal with it that makes the difference.
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: I I understand what you guys are saying that he's
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: not ready for it at twenty two and as a rookie,
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: but just based off of the performance on the film,
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: he's their best player. Well and so, and he's the quarterback.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: It's true. So let's draw the comparison to Brady, not
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: in terms of ability, but why did Brady earn the
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: respect of the players? It was in how he handled himself.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: The maniacal you know, preparation and like on the field
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: during practice is when he earned their trust. And then
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: he earned the right to start telling other people what to.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: Do and why because he was good, Because he won
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: because he was.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he won right away when he started.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: Have had all that other stuff. No, you're right, And
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: if they if every game happened like his second career
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: start when they got blasted down in Miami, if that
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: was the first four or five.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Probably right. Yeah, So winning is the ultimate disinfected.
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: He went, he went whatever it was was, it was
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: it thirteen and two, you know, as a what I
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: forget the numbers. Yeah, and there were two when he
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: took over, right, eleven three wins, fourteen and whatever. Yeah,
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: mathis hard. Fourteen and three and.
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: That I think, and that was as a starter. That's
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: the most discouraging thing about the loss on Sunday is
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: you know, they started out so quickly, ten ten nothing,
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: and you're thinking, Okay, this kid's going to get a
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: win under his belt, and he's going to get it
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: because he played well and they scored some points and
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: that's gonna help him. And the instead they collapsed.
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: That's where you thought it was going right.
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, he just looked so comfortable. To me, that was
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: what was so remarkable, Like just that kind of jump
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: in week two used to him, you know, just having
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: those plays and I think there still were ones where
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: you know, it felt like you drift a little bit
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: into pressure all that kind of like you know, the
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: sprays occasionally, but there was just a level of calmness
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: to him that like it just seemed to kind of
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: really grow in him into that second game, and that
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: to me was regardless of the ten point result and
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: the plays. It was just his kind of demeanor out there.
• 30:32
  Speaker 8: It's just like this kid's really kind of growing into
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: the spot. That to me was what was mostly.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: Someone asked us in the pregame, you know, what are
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: you looking to see in his second start? And all
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: the only things that I cared about it was how
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: he looked, like, does he look more settled in the pocket,
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: especially early in the game, because I thought at times
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: against Houston, especially early, he looked nervous. He talked about
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: being nervous, but I thought he looked a little bit
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: nervous and unsettled and unsure. I didn't see any signs
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: of any of that in this game. Now again played
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: against a vastly inferior opponent in this game. But I
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: don't care. He's making his second career start. I'm only
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: evaluating him, not all the other stuff. And I thought
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: he looked better in this game. The performance was roughly
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: the same. I mean through three quarters that he didn't produce,
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: they didn't move the ball enough, and then in the
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: fourth quarter, you know, he gets something going again like
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: he did against Houston. But I thought this was a
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: much more settled I agree with Mike. I just thought
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: he looked he looked in complete control in that first drive,
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: like they didn't score because they were handing the ball
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: off or because the other team completely screwed up. They
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: were just like regular Patriots played regular NFL plays, right
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: down the field, eleven of them. Yeah, right down the
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: field eleven.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: But it was pretty you know, as the game, you know, progressed,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: it was evident that they weren't going to be able
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: to run the ball, you know, so that hurt, that
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: hurt in the play calling, and you know, I'm sure
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Van Pelt realized that and Mayle realized we just can't
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: run the ball today, and he just couldn't stay on
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: the field.
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look, I thought that just watching it
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: back to me, he played better than he did against Houston,
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: But it was more so that what's Paul's talking about
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: that so much of what, so much of what he
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: is doing is in structure, Like it's within the framework
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: of the offense. He's making throws on time from the pocket,
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: and it's not all the playground stuff. It's not all
• 32:42
  Speaker 9: him running around and just being an athlete and flashing
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: these you know, off script plays. If that's all it
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: was was the second thing. Then I wouldn't be as impressed,
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: but the fact that he's running the offense the way
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: that he's running it so far, it is like vastly
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: ahead of where some of the comps that have been
• 32:59
  Speaker 9: for him, like a Josh Allen or something.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: Like that, and two big plays, I mean the past
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: the booty was right on the button.
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah, they have seven explosives through two games. They had
• 33:10
  Speaker 9: six through five before uh he got in there and
• 33:13
  Speaker 9: started at quarterbacks. So he's he's been really just showing
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: a lot of that instructure stuff that you see, you know,
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: coverage reads, blitz pressures, manipulating defenses with his eyes and
• 33:27
  Speaker 9: pump fakes and lookoffs and things like that. Like those
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: are all nuanced things that he's doing at a at
• 33:34
  Speaker 9: a really high level already out of the gate. I mean,
• 33:37
  Speaker 9: the one criticism that I would just have him his accuracy,
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: you know, like every game he you know, both games,
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: I would say he's got between the two probably ten
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: to twelve sprays where he's just flat out missing and
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: open receiver.
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: And you do wonder that third down that led to
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: the field goal on the second drive, you know, he
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: has born there did get a little pressure, but like
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: that might be an example, it was a little out
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: in front of him. I thought Bourne could have had it.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: But it wasn't a great throw. Didn't really come out
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: great either. It looked like it was kind of wobbly
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: when it came out. But you know, if it's fourteen
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: nothing instead of ten nothing, you wonder if maybe that
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: was enough to make Jacksonville stop. And maybe there were
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: a couple he threw to them that they didn't catch
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: in this game. So it wasn't It wasn't perfect, no,
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: I mean the two that should have been picked off,
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: and both were flat out drops on the interception and
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: dropped interceptions, and I didn't really see those against Houston,
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: like I thought he hadn't the overthrow that was obvious,
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: you know, and they and they caught it. And then
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: the deflection was an unbelievable play by the guy who
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: caught that. I forget who was twenty three. I think
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: for Houston that caught the the deflected interception in this game,
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: he was he was more fortunate that they didn't they
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: didn't catch them. But I agree with with Evan and Mike.
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: I thought just watching it and looking at him forget
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: about the performance, forget about the numbers or anything like.
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: Just watching him operate the offense, this looked more conventional
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: to me than Houston did.
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean they've ran one play in particular that
• 35:10
  Speaker 9: he's now hit three different ways. You know, he's hit
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: three different reads within the same play over the last
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: two weeks. Like those are the types of things that
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: young quarterbacks don't typically do. You either, see, oh, my
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: initial read is getting open consistently, so I'm just making
• 35:25
  Speaker 9: first red throws or you're seeing playground, you know, off script,
• 35:29
  Speaker 9: running around like a chicken with the head cut off
• 35:31
  Speaker 9: and making a play happen. Just because you're a superior
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: athlete on the field, You know, he's really seen the
• 35:37
  Speaker 9: field very well. I just in the accuracy stuff, to
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: me is going to have to be worked out over
• 35:43
  Speaker 9: the time and probably in the off season. The throwing
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: motion is still a little bit long. If they tightened
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: that up, there's less like movement in his throwing motion.
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: That's less room for error there, and his feet can
• 35:54
  Speaker 9: get a little bit sloppy at times still as well.
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: But that type of stuff is going to have to
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: be drilled into him.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: So that's the silver lining because I think we all
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: went into the season kind of knowing that the record
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: probably wasn't going to be what we wanted. But can
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: we get some development of Drake May? And I think
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: at least you're getting the startup.
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: It's incredible that he's been this good while all this
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: chaos is going on around him. And that's why I
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: said the twenty two year old, like he's the one
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: guy that's actually pulling his weight on in the team,
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: and he's the youngest player on the roster, Like, it's
• 36:27
  Speaker 9: absolutely crazy.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: It sits around.
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: You spend all summer thinking the team is one thing,
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: and then all of a sudden, here we are, Week
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: seven eight and it's all on the kid somehow. I
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: just want another piece, Like someone else, Can someone else
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: start to play well? Can someone else start to inspire
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: some excitement other than Drake May? Because that's to me
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: coming out of that game. We can all get excited
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: about Drake May's first quarter, But what else do you
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: feel good about right now?
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: I think Henry's playing fine.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: Under Henry, Henry's been solid.
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I just need some of these rookies to play.
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: I mean, Jalen Polk is such a head scratcher to me.
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: I just I can't figure. I've never seen someone looks
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: so in their own head and then just to see
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: it pick right up in the game again after we
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: spent all week talking.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: I've never seen anyone so in his own head, lacking
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: so much humility.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, how about.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, awareness, self awareness, self awareness.
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I didn't looking back at the targets like drop
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: is it's all, it's all subjected.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: The second one is, if that was any other receiver,
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: no one would call it a drop.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: The throw was late, it was short, and it allowed
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: the guy time to come over and break it up.
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah that was not a drop.
• 37:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And just the other thing I
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: would say about the defense, And I'm sure that Mayo
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: would feel that it's execution based errors. But if I
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: was Girod Mayo and it's his team, so run it
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: the way you want to. But if I was him,
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: I would consider taking over the defense myself. I think
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: at this point, you have to get one side of
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: the ball buttoned up. You are a defensive minded head coach.
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: It's nothing against de Marcus Covington, but he's also a
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: very young coach. That's doing this for the first time,
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: and he's still going to be the defensive coordinator. And
• 38:08
  Speaker 9: there are plenty of defensive coordinators and offensive coordinators who
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: don't call the plays because their head coach calls the plays.
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: So if I was Jirowed Mayo, I would strongly consider
• 38:18
  Speaker 9: taking over the defense.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: I wonder if he's got the chops to do it.
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: Do you think it's a play calling issue.
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: It's not solely a play calling issue. It's obviously a
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: combination of a bunch of different things. But I don't
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: think the play calling is free of blame for what's
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: going on.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: At the very least, I would love for him, you know,
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: at certain parts of the game to be with the
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: defense on the sideline and come off, you know, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: talk about to.
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: Admit, I think that sometimes Bill would turn.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: Around and when he felt he had to do it,
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: he'd get in their faces and you know, point out
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: some things that he's seeing. And I think when it
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: comes to in the game, that's the one place where
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Gerard could contribute.
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I know, I just haven't loved it from the
• 39:06
  Speaker 9: beginning that he was going to try to be a
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: CEO head coach because, like you have to have some
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: self awareness, right, Like Bill Belichick was a CEO head
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: coach because he coached in the league for fifty years
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: and he had a rolladex of knowledge to go back on,
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: to pull from, to contribute to an offensive meeting or
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: contribute to a special teams meeting. Like Girod. Mayo's strength
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: is on the defensive side of the ball, same way
• 39:32
  Speaker 9: as like Demico Ryans in Houston is a defensive minded coach,
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: the same way as all the tight pant guys are
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: offensive minded head coaches, and they're running their offense like
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: even Andy Reid, like Steve Spagnolo is running Kansas City's defense,
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: Like Andy Reid has nothing to do with that defense.
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: No, but he he does the offense right. And to
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: your point, Mayo's a defensive guy. There's nothing wrong with
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: being a head coach with a slant on one side
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: or the other. And he should be able to fix something.
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: I look at like Sean McVay when he started out
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: with the Rams. Sean McVay hired Wade Phillips yep to
• 40:06
  Speaker 9: run his defense, and he said to Wade Phillips, you
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: are head coach defense, Like I'm going to run the offense.
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: I'm going to run the culture and you're going to
• 40:14
  Speaker 9: run the defense. And if I was Girrawed, I would say,
• 40:17
  Speaker 9: I'm going to run the defense. I'm going to run
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: the culture, and a VP is going to run the offense.
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: I think that's what he well expense.
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: He hasn't done the defense, but he hasn't done a defense.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: That's why.
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's it sounds nice, but sometimes it's is
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: that going to make a difference? Like why should I
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: believe that he has the ability.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: To do it?
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: And that's that's a great Unfortunately, when you get to
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: a point where a coach, who, let's face it, he
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: hasn't coached the football team before this year, and he
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: doesn't have the fall back on While I was an
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: offensive coordinator for the last six years, I know what
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: I'm doing there, Like him jumping into the defensive coordinator
• 40:48
  Speaker 8: role is every bit of an unknown as anybody else
• 40:51
  Speaker 8: doing it. And that's I don't.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: At least he helped run it with Steve last year.
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: I mean, he's done a lot of the things, like
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: on a day to day basis that a defensive coordinator
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: would do in the past. I just I look at
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: your odd right now, and I feel like he's taken
• 41:04
  Speaker 9: on water because he stretched really really thin. Like he
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: has a lot of responsibilities and he has his hand
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: in a lot of different buckets, and I don't look
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: at like he's not a white right now, like what
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: is what are they good at? And what is he
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: hanging his hat on?
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: Right? And unless all the stuff we heard about him
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: being such a great you know, reviewer of film and
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: classroom guy and student of Bill, unless that was all fantasy,
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: you have to imagine he's seeing something out there that
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: he would want to give input, Like there's something that
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: he's looking at that's like, here's what we're doing wrong,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: here's what we need to do. That he would have
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: things to contribute on during the game. I would think
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: he would.
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah, there's just so many things on defense at this
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: point where guys are error repeating, and so I would
• 41:53
  Speaker 9: think that with Mayo, like he would be able to
• 41:56
  Speaker 9: go in there to the defensive meeting or I go
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: out there literally in practice like we used to see
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: him standing at the linebacker level and like talking about
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: things like run fits, talking about things like reading play action.
• 42:09
  Speaker 9: You know, they keep putting base defense on the field
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: and teams keep on throwing sixty yard bombs against them
• 42:13
  Speaker 9: when they're playing bass, So like, why are we talking
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: about Why aren't we talking about what personnel we're putting
• 42:19
  Speaker 9: out on the field, Like these types of things are
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: play calling, like these types of things are coaching during
• 42:24
  Speaker 9: the week. And if he was more hands on with
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: the defense, like maybe they would get the run fits
• 42:29
  Speaker 9: figured out, Like he played linebacker in the league for
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: a decade and well run fits like literally that's his thing,
• 42:35
  Speaker 9: Like that should be you know, Girodmeo's things. So I
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: just think he needs to be more hands on with
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: the defense.
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: All right, that was a big side.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: No, he set a lot. We set a lot eight
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: five five past five hundred. Is the TPX outline podcasts
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: at Patriots dot com is the email address. We're gonna
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: let people get into it because.
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: That's what we do.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: So, uh, this one I don't understand. Eric writes in
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: this is what happens to the locker room when you
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: don't resign any of your top draft picks. For the
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: past five to ten years. Bill let everyone walk because
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: he knew better and he could get the same production
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: for less, such such as yeah, I don't understand that they.
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: Just resigned all of their that's what they're trying to
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: get it in front of I mean a couple of
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: years ago. Maybe I think what he's trying to say
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: is that there's no core, there's no foundation from this team.
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: They're trying to rebuild it this year by resigning Dougar.
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: I was going to say that should be redoing that
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: this year, that you know, this is their first year.
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: But I think what he's trying to say is what
• 43:36
  Speaker 8: we haven't saying, that they they got to this point
• 43:38
  Speaker 8: because they didn't have a core. They had to resign
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: all those guys. It was either resign those guys or
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: just you.
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: Know, you know, maybe this is what he is saying,
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: but like they got to this point because they didn't draft,
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: well yeah, not because they let guys go who they
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: let go that you you will lament, right, right, Harry Right?
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: Was he going to be a locker room guy?
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: I mean Isaiya would right? You know, Isaiah Winners hasn't
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: played a game in a long time, by the way,
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: in Diamia.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you don't have to be an
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: all pro to be a locker room guy, But you
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: have to be competent, you have to write.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: And I think if they have a decent like and
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: I made this argument throughout the summer, like and I
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: didn't like the idea of resigning as many of their
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: own free agents as they did. I, however, didn't necessarily
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: have this like visceral reaction to any real individual guy
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: that they signed. I just didn't think it was smart
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: to sign them all. And I would rather have brought
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: in some higher end talent in some spots. And I
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: know they tried in, you know, with a couple of
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: wide receivers and that didn't work out, but they should have.
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, Dugger and that whole crew, you
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: know a way, you know, can we talk about Michael
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: Winno a little bit? Yeah, Like, is there a chance
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: that Michael went who got nineteen million and is no
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: longer really interested in blocking anybody?
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: Chance?
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: I don't think it's that's what it is. But I
• 45:03
  Speaker 9: don't think it's I don't think it's solely like you're
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: not totally off.
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's played very well, That's all I'll say, correctly.
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: Well I will, how so on right tackle? Yeah, Okay,
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: So what about right guard. He wasn't playing well at
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: guard either played better. No, he didn't, he did not
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: according to the geeks. I'm just going by the what
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: what the geeks tell me.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: I saw him get out in front of them.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: Someone told someone, actually someone tweeted this weekend that that
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: was the first sack that he's allowed as a tackle
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: this year. Well, he's allowed a lot of sacks, so
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: the rest of them must have come at guard, according
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: to some.
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: I don't know about that exactly. I also put that
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: sack on Drake May but but that's besides the point.
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: But I'm just that's either here or that he hasn't
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: been good this year. No, he was a good player.
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: He was overweight when he came in. I just wonder
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: if he got his contract and he's satisfied.
• 45:58
  Speaker 9: He's kind of been on my radar for a while.
• 46:00
  Speaker 9: Not because I don't think he not because I think
• 46:01
  Speaker 9: he's been terrible, but I just think he hasn't been
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: an eighteen million dollar year player. But the uh, the
• 46:08
  Speaker 9: one uh, the one thing I would say, though not
• 46:11
  Speaker 9: necessarily even in his defense, but like him moving inside
• 46:16
  Speaker 9: and outside week to week and having that be almost
• 46:18
  Speaker 9: like a day to day proposition and on the point
• 46:21
  Speaker 9: is not okay. And if you ask me, that's got
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: to be frustrating like that, that has to be frustrating
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: for him that every week it's well now I'm playing
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: right tackle. Well now I'm playing guard. Now I'm playing
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: tackle again. And some of it is because they just
• 46:37
  Speaker 9: they need him to, like he has to put out
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: fires where they need them.
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: And I personally don't think he wants to play tackle,
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: which I think is part of the problem. Yeah, mentally,
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: I you know, I even wonder if that had something
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: to do with his weight game, like if I get
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: big enough, I won't be an option out there.
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: I think the biggest you know, he's said in the
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: past that he just wants to be at one position.
• 47:01
  Speaker 9: He doesn't care if it's tackle or if it's right guard,
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: but he wants to be one position and stay there.
• 47:07
  Speaker 9: So all this moving around I think is starting to
• 47:10
  Speaker 9: affect him.
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: I think that's all fair. I just I think to
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: the email ER's previous point, it's just that you paid
• 47:14
  Speaker 8: him this money. You just would hope that he'd be
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: one of your guys that you could look to when
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: it's yes, it's hard, it's hard. No question, But how
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: much respect do you have for a guy like Logan
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: Mankins who went and played a left tackle spot, you know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: in a pinch and you know, stepped up and did well.
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: And it's a lot for a lenu for sure. But
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: I just think they've had so much disappointment in these
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: guys that they've extended, guys that they've given big contracts
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: to go right down the list.
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: There's a laundry list of examples like the one you
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: just gave that happened over the twenty years. Now, all
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: of a sudden, it's like we I don't know how
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: kJ Osborne made it through Sunday, Like he didn't find
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: out until the night before that he was playing in
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: the game, right, right, that's not an ideal situation, what
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, right, it's not an ideal situation. He probably
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: didn't get you what he said. You got like three
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: reps all week. I get it. You didn't think you
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: were going to play, you know, and you played and
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: you went out there and you did. You know, you
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: did fine. You caught a touchdown at the end of
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: the game. But like these are things that are like
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: really bothering players.
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: Like what it is agent tweet out something about send
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: him something, and he posted it on his Instagram. Again,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: what are we doing this in particular in that wide
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: receiver room?
• 48:26
  Speaker 9: What are we doing I don't think that that guy
• 48:28
  Speaker 9: is like his actual agent, just worth putting out.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: Like, but but he posted.
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: I'm not saying the different, but I'm just saying, yeah.
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: Just tell me if I might have this wrong, because
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: you guys know me and the social stuff, I often
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: get it wrong. But didn't kJ himself post the I
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: don't care who the exchange was.
• 48:48
  Speaker 9: He reposted it, which I just learned this morning. Okay, apparently.
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: Wrong, which I don't know how it's different, like whether
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: it's not different, but I thought he if he reposted it,
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: we've had we've heard this a million times.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: Well, if somebody else posted it and you shared it,
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: that's all that means you, right, so you advocate it.
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: I endorsed this message, thank you.
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: Correct.
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: I was just trying the contrast with his assistant receivers
• 49:15
  Speaker 8: coach Taekwon Underwood, who famously was wasn't he said that
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: wasn't he cut the night before the Super Bowl back
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: in twenty eleven.
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: Like now he's a coach, Like I don't know where
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: do we stay. All right, let's get to some of
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: the phone calls, and we got a million emails. Uh,
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: appreciated Shore. They're very positive. Joe's in New Hampshire. What's up, Joe?
• 49:36
  Speaker 10: Hey, guys. I just want to start off by saying
• 49:37
  Speaker 10: that was an amazing first fifty minute and my questions
• 49:43
  Speaker 10: are about some of the coach or some of the
• 49:45
  Speaker 10: coaching decisions during the game. First, the I know what
• 49:48
  Speaker 10: was talked about on the post game show, the two
• 49:50
  Speaker 10: point conversion. I think it was absolutely idiotic to go
• 49:53
  Speaker 10: for two when you're down nine. But the decision that
• 49:56
  Speaker 10: I feel like hasn't been talked about as much is
• 50:01
  Speaker 10: at the end of the first half when they had
• 50:03
  Speaker 10: the fourth and three, they tried to get them to
• 50:05
  Speaker 10: jump off sides, but they burned the time out so
• 50:08
  Speaker 10: they couldn't possibly get back to Bill to go three
• 50:10
  Speaker 10: and out and have a little bit of time to
• 50:12
  Speaker 10: maybe get a field goal range. I'll take your thoughts
• 50:15
  Speaker 10: off the air, Thanks guys.
• 50:17
  Speaker 8: Okay, thanks for the call situational football.
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: Well, I actually wanted to hear Evan because you can
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: you turn up out of the three of us, you
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: are absolutely more on the analytical bent. So I'm sure
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: you're going to tell us why we're idiots that we
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: don't think that you should you should go for two
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: in that situation.
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: So going for two up nine down nine, I should
• 50:37
  Speaker 9: say is is is definitely a nerd mountain, like this
• 50:43
  Speaker 9: is something that nerds.
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: So can I just ask this is your right? Can
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: you please just give me one reason that doesn't involve
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: knowing what you need, because you know what you need
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: either way, because I know what I need no matter
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: what happens, I'm making the two point conversion, by kicking
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: the extra point for one point, and by missing the
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: two point conversion, after all three of those scenarios, I
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: know what I need because the play has happened and
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: the result is there.
• 51:11
  Speaker 9: I guess the idea behind it, and I'm not going
• 51:13
  Speaker 9: to change any of your mind. So it's but the
• 51:15
  Speaker 9: idea but you can try, though, is that Let's say
• 51:19
  Speaker 9: they kick the extra point and they go down eight points.
• 51:22
  Speaker 9: Then with two minutes ago, May marches them on a
• 51:25
  Speaker 9: two minute drill drive. They go right, they go down
• 51:28
  Speaker 9: the field, and with three seconds left, he puts the
• 51:31
  Speaker 9: ball into the end zone and they're down two points.
• 51:34
  Speaker 9: Now they go for two, they don't get it last. Okay,
• 51:37
  Speaker 9: so if they if they do it this way, right,
• 51:41
  Speaker 9: then at least they can try to find on site
• 51:43
  Speaker 9: kick whatever the case may be, to manufacture another possession.
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: Okay. So why can't you on side kick after you
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: fail too?
• 51:49
  Speaker 9: Because there's no more timeline?
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: Okay? So yeah, so there's eight twenty two left? Yea,
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: Why if I'm down eight does my next score come
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: with no time I'm left? But if I'm down nine,
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: I'm no problem. Just for the record, that's a dumb argument.
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: Just for the record, I'm your argument, the analytics.
• 52:10
  Speaker 9: I'm actually on your side of the street on this
• 52:12
  Speaker 9: one person, the part of it, right, yeah, and I
• 52:16
  Speaker 9: just explaining the nerd but like I I agree with
• 52:20
  Speaker 9: your side of the street. Now that the other rebuttal
• 52:23
  Speaker 9: that the nerds would give and this is the nerdsen
• 52:25
  Speaker 9: why spreadsheets are spreadsheets and games or games? If Jalen
• 52:29
  Speaker 9: Polk doesn't slip and doesn't fall down on the two
• 52:33
  Speaker 9: point conversion, then we're not having this conversation, right.
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, I am very consistent. I'd still be
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: having the conversation because I am not results oriented. Well,
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: everybody the analytics, guys are all based on results. It's
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: right here, you have a fifty eight percent chance to
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: convert this, so that means it's the right thing to do. No,
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: it doesn't mean the result of the play does not
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: make the decision right or wrong. The decision should be
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: based on sound logic right, and I can absolutely be
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: swayed on a lot of analytic arguments that I think
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: the influx of the metrics have been a great addition
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: to the game. I said this on Sunday in the
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: postgame show. Thanks, I didn't credit you with any of this. No,
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: the influx of guys going forward on fourth down in
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: unconventional situations and spots on the field, I think has
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: been a home run. I've always liked that. I always
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: loved the fact that Parcels was an aggressive guy on
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: fourth down. I think it's added excitement to the game.
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: I think to just assume you can't get an inch
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: because you're on your own thirty yard line, I don't
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: think is a good assumption. Now this time and score
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: and all that kind of stuff goes into it. But
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: I think there's a lot I don't love this scenario,
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: but I've sort of been swayed a little bit by
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: the analytics. The down fourteen in the fourth quarter, when
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: you score the first touchdown, go for two, go for
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: two and take a chance of trying to win it.
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: If you get the first one, you're probably gonna get
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: one out of the two, but you take a chance
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: and get the first one, and then you can kick
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: an extra point to win it, which we've seen happen.
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: I think that the Jags did that to the Chargers
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: in the playoffs a couple of years ago, with that
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: huge comeback. I don't love it, don't love it, right.
• 54:18
  Speaker 11: But.
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: There's a there's a basis of rationality to that decision.
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: I'm within a score either way. I'm gonna roll the
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: dice and get greedy here, and at least I have momentum.
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: See the difference to me, the whole difference between that
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: one and the one that happens Sunday is you don't
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: add a possession needed.
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: Right, what I'm saying, you're still within a possession a
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: possession here this one. You put it in a situation
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: where if you fail on this play, like for some reason,
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: the analytic guys tell you, well, when you're if you're
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: only down eight then that two point conversions do a die.
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: If you miss it, you lose. I got news for
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: you people. The game ended on Sunday with a twenty
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: two left. When Jalen Polk fell down, the game was over. Now,
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: I think the game was over before that. Anyway, there
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: was no possible way they were gonna get They weren't
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: gonna win the game. But I think they made Jacksonville's
• 55:09
  Speaker 6: job infinitely easier getting first downs and melting the clock
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: when they made it a nine point game instead of
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: an eight pack game. Because the Patriots applied they applied
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: no game pressure to Jacksonville none. They should have made
• 55:23
  Speaker 6: Jacksonville pay for an idiotic decision by Doug Peterson to
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: forego a field goal on the previous possession of the
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: eleven and a half minute possession that resulted in zero points.
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: They kick a field goal, they got three scores. He
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: just figured, we just ran the ball seventeen players in
• 55:40
  Speaker 6: a row and they can't stop us, so I'm not
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: gonna get stopped on this one. And son of a gun,
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: they got stopped, and you allowed the Patriots to have
• 55:48
  Speaker 6: what flicker of life they had, and the Patriots just
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: gave that flicker right back to them by When that
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: possession started, it was a two score game. When that
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: possession ended, it was a two score game. Nothing changed.
• 55:58
  Speaker 9: I just want to be clear that I am not
• 56:01
  Speaker 9: pro to point in this because I know I'm gonna
• 56:03
  Speaker 9: get lumped in with the nerds, so I just I
• 56:05
  Speaker 9: wouldn't have gone for two. But my bigger criticism of
• 56:09
  Speaker 9: it was actually the play call. And I understand that
• 56:12
  Speaker 9: he was open.
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: I'll get to that la.
• 56:14
  Speaker 9: He was open, okay, But the odds of this team
• 56:20
  Speaker 9: having Jalen pull went on that route and actually freaking
• 56:23
  Speaker 9: catch the ball.
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: It's the player.
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: How many how many targets in a row? Is he
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: gone without making a catch? I don't know if we're
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: gonna go by the analytics, if we're gonna go by
• 56:32
  Speaker 6: the numbers and win probabilities and all this other nonsense
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: that doesn't take anything into consideration other than the spreadsheet.
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: What was the last time that he was targeted that
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: he caught the ball?
• 56:41
  Speaker 9: And he's isoed on that side of the field, So
• 56:44
  Speaker 9: that's the only place that Drake may can throw the ball.
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: So like when he falls down, it's not like he
• 56:48
  Speaker 9: can now Oh like I have to oh.
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: By the way, guys were falling down in that game
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: all over the place. And the last thing that was
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: an issue.
• 56:56
  Speaker 9: I hate it about it was you have this super
• 56:59
  Speaker 9: ath eat that quarterback and you have him throw the
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: ball from the pocket, like get him on the move.
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: I would even have taken his own reading. Yeah, like
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: the one against Philadelphia in the preseason that he's he
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: touched in right.
• 57:10
  Speaker 9: Like you know, yeah, incorporate his legs somehow, like run
• 57:14
  Speaker 9: some sort of an option or something like.
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: That run was still sick at that point.
• 57:19
  Speaker 9: I get to that. But yeah, I just Barth always
• 57:22
  Speaker 9: says this, and it's the one thing I agree.
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: With him on, like that unnecessary shout it out.
• 57:27
  Speaker 9: The decision to go for it is only as good
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: as the play call. So like if you don't have
• 57:32
  Speaker 9: a great two point play, then the the nerds are
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: going to say on the spreadsheet to still go for it.
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: Because it's you know, you're gonna get it. You're gonna
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: get it.
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: And that's where falls down.
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: What I what I don't like is that. And I
• 57:46
  Speaker 6: was listening to Andrew Callahan, you know, we credited him,
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: he got you know, the quality and born stuff. So
• 57:51
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna take a shot at Andrew now a little bit.
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: I heard him this morning, and you know he's in
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: this conversation and they're going back and forth. Hardy and
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: Wallach are anti point conversion, and Andrew was for it.
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: And you know, in the middle of the argument, Hardy
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: just says, do you do you believe in momentum? And
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: he says no, I'm sorry, I can't. I can't have
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: a conversation with you anymore. I'm done. Because if you
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: think that every play has got the same exact chance
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: of working just because of the play, You've never played sports.
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: You've never been on a field, You've never been on
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: what to deal was, We've never experienced it. Do you
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: think the Atlanta Falcons had a sniff of a chance
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: of stopping that last two point conversion in the Super Bowl?
• 58:29
  Speaker 12: Right?
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: Analytics will tell you it was a fifty to fifty,
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: was one hundred to nothing. There's no way the Falcons
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: were going to stop that after that avalanche had.
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: Occurred, right momentum.
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: The only way that that play was not going to
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: work is if somebody on the Patriots failed to execute.
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: I'll la Jalen Polk falling down. If I think that
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: last one went to Ammandola, right.
• 58:50
  Speaker 9: Was that the shield screen or that the direct I think.
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: It was the shield screen. The only way that play
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: was going to fail is if Immadola dropped the ball inexplicably.
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: There's no way the Falcons were going to the Patriots
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: from getting two yards because I'm sorry, momentum does matter.
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: And again, down fourteen, you get those two, you can
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: talk to me and the analytics people can explain to
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: me why it's advantageous. I have not heard anything that
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: doesn't involve knowing what I need down nine with eight
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: minutes left, and then everybody, This is again not picking
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: on you, because this is what everybody is hitting us with.
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: Everybody is saying this way, when I get the touchdown,
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: if I'm down eight, there's no time left after the
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: two point conversion.
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: I don't know why.
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: Why why does the eight twenty two evaporate down eight
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: but it doesn't down nine. I don't understand that.
• 59:43
  Speaker 8: Also, pay me in the position of taking that two
• 59:46
  Speaker 8: point conversion after you just drove the length of the field.
• 59:48
  Speaker 8: You're threatening the other defense is on their heels. The
• 59:51
  Speaker 8: game is on this play. You know, I believe in momentum,
• 59:54
  Speaker 8: and I feel like to your point, that was the
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: point I was just about to make with the Patriots
• 59:56
  Speaker 8: is Evan said, like in that situation, would you rather
• 59:59
  Speaker 8: have it? It's seven all right, guys, this is the
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 8: game right here, seven minutes. It's kind of a fart
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 8: in the wind. You know, you don't really realize it
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 8: at the time. Whereas when you're going for two at
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 8: the end of the game and you just drove the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 8: length of the field and here it is right there
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 8: to win the game.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: Would I would also say, watch what your offense has
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: done from the second quarter all the way through that drive.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: You've done nothing. The biggest play on that drive was
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: an unbelievable catch by Hunter Henry that converted a third
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: and long down the seam that they could have run
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: fifteen times in a row and wouldn't have resulted into completion.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: Like read what happened on the on the drive and
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 6: figure out how you got into the end zone, and
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: now say to yourself, I could do that two more times. Yeah,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 6: I can get that that helmet top catch from mounter
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: Henry a couple more times so I can get scored.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: It was an unbelievable catch. Though Evan it was the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 6: guy was right there. But I when I watched the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: throw to Bootyevable, when I watched it.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 9: Live, that was like a no, no, yes throw for sure.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: Oh in the situation, it was absolutely the.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 9: Right, but you got watching it back, I feel like
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 9: we're in Tampa two. So like the middle linebackers back
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: is to the quarterback, so he doesn't know the ball
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 9: is coming. So as long as Drake May throws it
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 9: up high enough that Hunter Henry can go up and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 9: get it, there's really no like risk of the player
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 9: the defender making a play on the ball.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: All right, one more call and we got to take
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: a break. Christian's in LA. What's up? Christian?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: Hey you guys?
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 13: How you doing?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 14: So I just wanted to say that I actually enjoyed
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 14: the experience. I enjoyed the game because I'm looking at
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 14: it through the perspective of where we're going and with
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 14: what we have is all we have to work with.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 14: So we are who we are right because we're working
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 14: with the guys we have to play with. We gotta
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 14: Marshall on the field and we've got to do our best.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 14: So with that perspective, I looked at the game, and
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 14: I just I got some enjoyment, especially in the middle
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 14: of the second drive, it felt like for a moment
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 14: that we were a playoff team again. I know it's stupid,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 14: and I know it's just one of those things that
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 14: as a fan, that feeling right came back like, Wow,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 14: this is what I'm holding on for, and I just
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 14: wanted to say that even though we're not running to
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 14: where we're going, we're sprinting. Maybe we're not even walking,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 14: maybe we're crawling to where we're going. With the first
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 14: year coach, a first year quarterback, a couple of first
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 14: year receivers, a offensive line that's just trying to figure
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 14: out what the hell offensive line is supposed to actually
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 14: do for a living.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: I like the.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 14: Direction that we're going and I'm going to look at
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 14: these games from that perspective on not from how perfect
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 14: we can be or what mistakes we made. For just
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 14: as a fan, a long time fan, I'm enjoying this
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 14: journey taking.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: It Okay, thanks, thanks Christian. I mean, you're you're even
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: more optimistic than I am.
• 1:02:41
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  Speaker 15: Just let me just start, let me just start off
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  Speaker 15: real quick. So just we're disappointed. You know, six losses
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  Speaker 15: in a row never a good thing.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 15: Last night, you know, after the game, I felt like
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  Speaker 15: we just went out there and played soft. We're playing
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  Speaker 15: soft at the moment. And when I say playing soft,
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  Speaker 15: I means, you know, the stopping the run, being able
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  Speaker 15: to run the ball, and being able to cover kicks
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  Speaker 15: which we weren't able to do. Now I'm saying that, Look,
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  Speaker 15: I think we have the guys in there that can
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  Speaker 15: turn this ship around. But you know that comes to
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  Speaker 15: hard work, hard work on the practice field and going
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  Speaker 15: out there just getting better at each and every day.
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  Speaker 2: Fire away, Mike Greace, are Bob, You're on the screen,
• 1:06:37
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  Speaker 6: You want a leader?
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  Speaker 2: Do you want me to lead it? Okay?
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  Speaker 6: Okay?
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  Speaker 16: Gered From from day one with your coaches, you know,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 16: you've talked about being demanding without being demeaning. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 16: I'm curious how much your core belief in that has
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 16: been shape can just by the way that the team
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  Speaker 16: is playing and just what's maybe what's happening around the team.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's in my DNA. You know.
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  Speaker 15: Once again, like a lot of these things are about
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 15: relationships and treating people as human beings.
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  Speaker 2: So that's in my DNA.
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  Speaker 15: That doesn't mean like we're out there, you know, coaching
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  Speaker 15: He's got solvet. I think the coaches do do a
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  Speaker 15: good job of coaching them hard. And you know, obviously
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  Speaker 15: it would be easy if we were sitting here at
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 15: six and one to continue to have that message. But
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  Speaker 15: at one and six it's a I guess it's a
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  Speaker 15: natural question from you, should we change up our coaching style?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: And right now, I just think that.
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  Speaker 15: We need to continue to work hard and continue to
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  Speaker 15: push the players to get the results on the field.
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  Speaker 16: And I had one question on a key point in
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 16: the game, the second quarter. The second drive the Jaguars
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 16: had in that quarter. The first two plays was a
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 16: three yard run and then the fifty eight yard pass.
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  Speaker 16: That was a big play. It looked to me, and
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 16: correct me if I'm wrong. You stayed in base the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 16: first down play they had the three tight ends and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 16: then I think they switched to two tight ends two receivers.
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  Speaker 16: But I think you stayed in base on the fifty
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  Speaker 16: eight yarder. And I'm just wondering if you were okay
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 16: with that not something there if I have it right.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 15: No, I am okay with that, and I would say
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  Speaker 15: you can play bass the multiple personnel groups twenty one,
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  Speaker 15: twelve thirteen. It doesn't matter the same thing with our
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 15: sub packages now. No matter what package is out there
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 15: with a big play like that, it's down the field,
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  Speaker 15: So everyone else really doesn't matter upfront, Bob, come.
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  Speaker 2: On, thanks, Jacey morning.
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  Speaker 17: I want to ask you, I guess the question related
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 17: to what Mike asked first, regarding the messaging and the
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 17: way you handled the team going back to the spring,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 17: even with the off season conditioning, and then you go
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 17: through OTAs in training camp, there's been such a significant
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 17: turnover in terms of personnel, guys who weren't with you
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 17: maybe in the spring or even through training camp. Are
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 17: you concerned sometimes with the messaging is different the way
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 17: it's received with those guys because they haven't invested those
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 17: hours with you and the staff out on the practice field,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 17: in the weight room, et cetera, to really fully buy in.
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  Speaker 1: I guess what I'm asking you.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 15: Look, we're all continue to get better, continuing to learn
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 15: one another. I would say the messaging is the messaging.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 15: And you know when you hear you say, you know
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 15: we played soft, I mean that's that's how I feel
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 15: about it, and it would be easy for me to
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 15: sit up here and go through injuries and all that stuff,
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  Speaker 15: But I mean that would be pointless to me.
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  Speaker 2: We have to be able to go out there and
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: perform at a high level with the guys that we have.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 17: And follow up regarding Drake and you and Elliott when
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 17: you met with us in the spring around the draft
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 17: time and talked about meeting him and the things you
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 17: liked about him, the way he didn't throw teammates under
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 17: the bus at North Carolina's toughness, et cetera. Now, I've
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 17: been through t two games and he's been in some
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 17: adversity and he's played, you know, well for long stretches
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 17: of those two games.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: What have you seen from him?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 17: What have you discovered that's new about Drake may or
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 17: maybe pleasantly surprising about your quarterback that you didn't really
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 17: know when when you drafted him.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'll say it's just his overall toughness.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 15: He's still out there, He's taking hits and getting back
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 15: up and still stepping into the pocket.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: I think he's doing a good job.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 15: When you talk about progress from then one and game two,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 15: you know, no turnovers, yesterday, which is headed in the
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 15: right direction.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: He's definitely playing at a good level for us. Thank you,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Thanks Bob.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 18: We'll go back to Mike Greece and I'll just ask guys,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 18: raise your hand and turn your screen on if you
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 18: have questions to ask.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: It's hard for me to see on this monitor.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 16: Without doing that, Stacy, I already asked two when it
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 16: looks like you got others lined up, so let me
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 16: defer to the others for now.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: If that's okay.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 18: Okay, so guys, go ahead, and if if hand is raised,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 18: go ahead and ask.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: I'm disconnected on my end, so sorry about that.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 19: Hey, Rod, I just want to ask you real quick,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 19: what's the balance like for you just obviously knowing the
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 19: game and knowing what to do from your playing career,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 19: but realizing that guys aren't you and just having to
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 19: work through that as a coach and how to adjust
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 19: to that.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: I look, that's a good question.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 15: What I would say is, you know, these are professional
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 15: football players in there. This isn't you know, this isn't college.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 15: My My messaging to them is like, this is a job.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 15: We play a game, but this is a job, and
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 15: we all get evaluated on a day to day basis
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 15: and obviously on game day and you know, we just
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 15: have to do better. And whether you know, I don't
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 15: really use that experience of me being a player, try
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 15: to coach everyone in their own unique style, but at
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 15: the same time, we've got to perform better.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Thanks, Thank you, Agra.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 11: I had a question about kind of the whys of
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 11: some of the you know, the things that you were
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 11: talking about with the team. You know, you're saying they
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 11: played soft, and also kind of some of the comments,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 11: uh afterwards with with Kendrick Born in particular about maybe
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 11: guys weren't as engaged as they should be in off
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 11: the field, you know, off the field habits and things
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 11: of that nature. Why do you feel that there's kind
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 11: of what appears to be a disconnect between your overall
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 11: messing if we need to be a hard, tough football team, engaged,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 11: you know, playing for each other, and what seems to
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 11: be kind of developing on Sundays.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 15: I didn't hear what what Kendrick said, but what I
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 15: will say, I'm not sure if he's talking about some
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 15: of the off the field issues that have kind of creeped.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Up here the last couple of weeks. Is that what
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: he was talking about. He was good guys staying up
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: too late.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 11: You know, maybe maybe not having the best diet and
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 11: off field preparation wasn't necessarily you know, off the field
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 11: other aspects.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 15: That's part of being a professional. That's part of being
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 15: a professional. This is your job, and your job's not
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 15: only inside this building, but also outside this building. Taking
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 15: care of your body and all that stuff. That's that's
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 15: part of it, and that equals longevity in this in
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 15: this league.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 15: For me, you know, the messaging is we just need
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 15: to get better. We have to do everything a little
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 15: bit better. You look at the game yesterday. We started
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 15: off fast, we talked about starting fast, and then obviously
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 15: it was disappointing the end the half and really couldn't
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 15: get things started in the second half. And that just
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 15: comes through, you know, continue to grind, continue to push through.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 15: So look, you want to get to heaven, you got
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 15: to go through hell sometimes and it may feel that
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 15: way right now, but hopefully.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: We turn this around.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 11: And just in terms of stopping go ahead, just in
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 11: terms of stopping the run, that obviously been a glaring
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 11: weakness the last three weeks. What do you see there
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 11: is it the defensive line, is it filling gaps?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: What's uh, what's the rationale.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 15: It's the it's the front seven, and we just have
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 15: to be more discipline and building a wall and defeating
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 15: blockers in front of us. It's not I mean, it's easy. Look,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 15: it's not the exit of knows. We just have to
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 15: be where we're supposed to be. Last week it was
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 15: the big runs that really we talked about taking away
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 15: those three big runs and it's not a it's not
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 15: a problem.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: We're not even having this conversation. Yesterday it was.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 15: Almost like death by a thousand cuts, where it was
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 15: four yards, six yards, five yards, and that man, that's tough.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 15: That's tough, and you know, I would like to see
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 15: her and say, you know, it's this guy.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: That guy like, I'm not going to do that. It's
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: all of us up front. Beg you.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 18: Next next question, Jared Caryl's followed like Karen Gregan Taylor,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 18: All right, we'll go to Karen Gregain.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 20: Good morning, GIROD. When you hear of players speaking out,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 20: whether it's Kendrick Bourne or daniel Lequally this week, Devone Godshaw,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 20: previous weeks, do you see that as a method of
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 20: self policing or is it possible potential to create a
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 20: divide in the room.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it creates a divide in the
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: room at all.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 15: I think just how I use, you know, the media
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 15: sometimes for messaging. I think some of the players do
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 15: the same thing. I'm not going to tell them, you know,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 15: say this, say that. No, if that's how you feel,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 15: If you feel like you're the best player, then go
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 15: out and do it. If you feel like you want
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 15: to challenge your brother besides you, I mean, go out
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 15: and do it.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Just you know. I think they use it as a tool,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: you know, to get guys going.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 19: Thanks.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Next question to Cord Randall Rod.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 11: I don't want to bread too much into social media,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 11: but Jalen posted then deleted a piece sign and mogians
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 11: Instagram story after the game.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Some people interpreted that a certain way.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 12: I'm just wondering if you spoke to them about that,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 12: or of any reason to question his commitment to the team.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 15: After I have not spoken about that and not on
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 15: question is his devotion to the team.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: We'll give Taylor Kyle's another opportunity.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 12: Yeah, sorry about that. Thank you for your time, coach.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 12: When it comes to some of the penalties and discipline errors.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 12: It seems like a lot of them lately have come
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 12: from veterans and sometimes captains. So I wonder as a coach,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 12: is it more discouraging when it's your leaders committing some
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 12: of those errors, And where's the fix when it is, again,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 12: the guys that you look to for leadership kind of
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 12: committing those errors.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 15: Yeah, no matter who it is, whether you're a rookie
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 15: or a veteran player, emanies are just unacceptable.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: And you see what happened yesterday. You know, we jump
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: off sides and then they go.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 15: For two points. It's like, we're all we're giving these
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 15: guys extra opportunities by shooting ourselves in the foot, and
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 15: that's just not good football. Thank you, thanks, and we'll
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 15: finish where we started. Mike Greece.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 16: Then it's sort of on the same lines as Dakota
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 16: kJ Osborne posted some then on Instagram, like a text
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 16: exchange with his agent, and his agent said, we're we
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 16: have to figure out this situation or will work to
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 16: figure out this situation. I guess what is the situation
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 16: with him.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: That that's going on. I guess I'm not sure. I'm
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: not sure what the exact situation is.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 15: You know, he's probably frustrated because he's not playing as
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 15: much as he must do. And you know, I understand
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 15: that if you want, if you think you should be
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 15: out there on the field and not having those opportunities,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 15: you will get frustrated. It's a natural human reaction. I
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 15: would I would hope that they would keep that stuff
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 15: in house. And I have that open door policy. If
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  Speaker 15: he feels a certain type of way, he always has
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 15: the ability to speak to me. But that's those guys
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 15: freedom speech. Thank he does.
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  Speaker 6: And now great moments in.
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  Speaker 5: History.
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  Speaker 6: What's the top golf situation?
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  Speaker 9: Tuesday?
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  Speaker 6: Tuesday night five?
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  Speaker 5: You're going to play top Golf.
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  Speaker 6: We gotta pat thanks for inviting me. Oh, it's actually
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 6: for Mike's brother. It's for my brother. Wanted nothing more, pishaw,
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  Speaker 6: he's out.
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  Speaker 9: He wanted nothing cameo.
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  Speaker 21: Yeah, they want He wanted nothing more than a cameo
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  Speaker 21: from Hardy for our family secret Santa. I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't see the video, but he told me the story.
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  Speaker 21: Oh, and I have a video of my brother in
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  Speaker 21: law opening.
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  Speaker 8: So Hardy was like, well, why don't we just go
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 8: to Top Golf?
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  Speaker 21: Cut my brother in law Golf's and so I had
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 21: the video, of course, o'hardy, but then I took a
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 21: video of my brother in law opening it, and like
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  Speaker 21: you've never seen anyone more excited, and like when you heard.
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  Speaker 6: Marilla is going to be there too, let's go.
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  Speaker 21: He's from Southie, Like, yeah, he was so excited.
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  Speaker 6: They love you, not like Hardy. You should have seen it.
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  Speaker 6: It was like Brady gave him the cameo when he
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 6: found out.
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  Speaker 20: It's like a thirteen year old open like Taylor Swift
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 20: tickets under the tree.
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  Speaker 6: Wow, that's another great moment from.
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  Speaker 5: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered eight five five
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  Speaker 5: past five hundred is the TPX Hotline podcast at patriots
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  Speaker 5: dot com. Is the email address. Once again, thank you
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: for everyone who is calling in, emailing in. Uh, hundreds
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: of emails coming in. Obviously we're not gonna be able
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: to get to all of them, but why not. Yeah, well,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: let's take a phone call. Dennis is in East Boston.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: What's up, Dennis? Dennis up? Okay, let's go to Alex
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: and Augusta. Alex, what's up Alex?
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  Speaker 6: Good job, Hardy?
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  Speaker 5: Wow. And finally Eldred in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred Bepepp?
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  Speaker 13: Hey, how doing to all?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 13: Okay, I just got a couple of questions the Boston
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  Speaker 13: practice squad players, okay, and I know the practice squad
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 13: players for reed, but just relacing and receiving and whatever.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 13: If I know anything about the judge job, yeah, hold back,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 13: Mike Battle and.
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  Speaker 6: Cornerback.
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  Speaker 5: And if I know anything.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 9: About show mathis actually got all of it. Yeah, ocewan,
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  Speaker 9: I think that's how you say.
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  Speaker 6: That's twice by the way he was he was activated.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 6: But I have an opinion on everything. I have no
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 6: opinion on those practice squad players, So yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 6: just what it's come to.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, we also get questions a lot about Caleb Jones.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: I know, believe me, they're not gonna be any better.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 9: This is what the Patriots like ones and twos look like.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 9: Imagine what their threes and fours and fives on the
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 9: practice squad looked like. Let me just put it to
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 9: you that way.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I know we're we're searching for anything else,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: but that's not where the answers are going to practice.
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  Speaker 13: Rise up like a good one. Back in the day,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 13: they gave me picquad and they got better and they
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 13: kept playing.
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  Speaker 9: But Craven LeBlanc, you know there was a.
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  Speaker 6: Keep going. I mean they've had guys that have come
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: off the practice squad and contributed, Like, yeah, that's extra
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 6: special teamers, but they need top line. There's no impact
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  Speaker 6: player that you're going off.
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  Speaker 5: To practice squad. Thanks Eldrick, appreciate the.
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  Speaker 8: Car Jalen Ragers play last night.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: What did you do?
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 9: He caught the Chargers. He caught a bomb and then
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 9: got peanut punched at the end of the run and
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 9: fumbled like on the goal line and the other team recovered.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 9: But it was so Jalen Rager because he like made
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 9: a great play.
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  Speaker 6: Is that how they lost? With him thrown for all
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 6: those yards? That was part of the I didn't see
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: a single, didn't go out of the end zone. I
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 6: just saw the highlight. It looked like it went out.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 9: Watching we watched most of the Arizona or not the
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 9: other game, not the airs of the Tampa Bay Baltimore game,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 9: but I flipped over to the other game for the
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 9: fourth quarter and like watching Herbert My that's like my
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 9: biggest fear for Drake May is that he's gonna play
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 9: out of his mind, he's gonna have these great games
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 9: and like you're no one's gonna be uh, you know,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 9: thinking that he's not the guy or anything like that.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 6: It's a comp that he got a lot.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but then the team is just not good enough
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 9: around him and he's losing throwing for four hundred yards
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 9: and stuff like that. Like that's already happening like on
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 9: like a little scale, and now like as he gets better,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 9: I'm worried that it's just gonna keep having.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: Can I just use this opportunity. You know, we're talking
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: a little bit about the two Monday night games last night.
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  Speaker 5: So public service House.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's time for another meya Kalpa. And I
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: know I've said this a couple of times during the
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: course of the season, but I was I was pretty
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: strong in my opinion that Dereck Henry was not a
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: great fit for the Baltimore Ravens. As he's about to
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: break Eric Dickerson sing rushing.
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  Speaker 9: Record, Yeah, I'm with you.
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  Speaker 6: So I just want to say, once again for the record,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: I was wrong. Yet, well, you don't have feel for
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 6: running backs plus Derek hen But Derek Henry's impact on
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: that offense has been absolutely immense. Oh yeah, I thought
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: that his style not be a perfect fit. But what
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: it's done is just it's forced them. The defense is
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 6: to treat him so much differently than you know what
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: the Gus bought. But Gus Edwards and you know the
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 6: Justice Hills and JK. Dobbins, you know, good you know,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 6: good players. But this guy is special. This guy's a
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: Hall of Famer. Obviously still has plenty left from the tank.
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  Speaker 6: And did you see did you you didn't watch any
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  Speaker 6: of it?
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  Speaker 8: I'm legally allowed.
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  Speaker 6: To eighty one yard run last night. Oh yeah, you
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: know you geeks, you know, twenty one miles an hour,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 6: like don the slide. Yeah, Like, just again, I couldn't
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 6: have been more wrong. He's been awesome.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah I was wrong about that one too, But through
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 9: seven weeks, I think there's a real case that Lamar
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 9: is the MVP.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 6: Again he was, which is just unbelievab. Yeah, I mean
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: just made it look easy.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 8: To somehow you still look at Kansas City and I'm like, well,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 8: I'm good luck Baltimore, But like Baltimore, like on paper
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 8: now is looking better and better and better.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 6: But somehow the defense was a mess. Yeah, Baltimore's like
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 6: the problems on that side of the ball lost Marlon Humphrey.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 9: It's a nonsense on defense.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: Sam from the North Shore Rights in discourse on social
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: media from Patriots fans is ridiculous. Right now, Patriots Nation
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: is expecting this collection of misfit toys to be greater
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: than the sum of the parts. Like the Brady Belichick years,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: those days are gone. Slap any other's, any other team's
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: logo on this roster and say, yeah, that's a three
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: win team. We're definitely the worst team in the AFC
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: after that Jags loss, and probably the worst in the league.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: Fans need a reality check that the retool on the
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 5: Fly with Belichick and Mac failed. This is year one
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: of a down to the Studs rebuild. We're looking at
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 5: probably three to four seasons before we even sniff the
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: playoffs again. Ps loved the show and shout out to Evan.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: I'm an Ithaca alumb as well. Go Bombers, Go Bombers.
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  Speaker 9: I agree with a lot of that email, not just
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 9: because he went to Ithaca. I agree with a lot
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 9: of that email. But there's a standard, like there's a
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 9: standard of competitiveness they.
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  Speaker 6: Have not agree with any of these they haven't been
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: in a competitive game in since Week two.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean they were in against Miami technically, but
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 9: like during this six sixth game losing streak, Miami's, you know,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 9: really the only one that's been overly competitive beside Seattle,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 9: I guess. But like, there's a standard, there's a bar
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 9: of what's acceptable and what's not. No one was expecting
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 9: them to win a bunch of games. We all picked
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 9: them to win five games, four games, three games. But
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 9: there's a level of standard. And I would also strongly
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  Speaker 9: disagree that it should take that long.
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  Speaker 6: That's the biggest part that I disagree with. That means
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  Speaker 6: it failed. Yeah, if you're not a playoff team in
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 6: the next two or three years, like playoff caliber, then
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 6: you failed because it shouldn't take that long in that league.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 6: I mean, Strake made didn't work, and you don't have.
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  Speaker 8: A coach that worked twenty twenty six, it's got to
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 8: look a lot lot better two full off seasons.
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  Speaker 6: You know. But even if you use like Evans example,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: they just used of Justin Herbert and you'd say, like, okay,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 6: well they're a playoff contender. I mean, they might not
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: make the playoffs this year, but they're a playoff contender,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 6: and you know they're in the mix. Like, if you
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: can't get to that point in less than three years,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: then you failed. You know, it shouldn't take three or
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 6: four more years after this, So you're just at the
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 6: you know, the standpoint where you can call yourself a playoff.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 8: That was the mac Jones rebuild. This is the Drake
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 8: May and for better or worse, how it's gonna go
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 8: with him over the next you know, four seasons plus.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 6: And the beginning part of the email that I disagreed
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 6: with is, yeah, I understood that that. I thought if
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  Speaker 6: they didn't beat Seattle in Week two, there was a
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: chance they were going to go to London winless. Okay,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 6: they obviously won a game that I didn't think they
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 6: were gonna win Cincinnati. The record is not taking me
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 6: by surprise at all. Yeah, but the manner in which
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: they're playing these games, and how sloppy they are, and
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: how many penalties they get, and how undisciplined they are,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 6: and all the squawking off the field that they do,
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  Speaker 6: I did not expect that.
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  Speaker 8: No, I mean, but it's a difference between a five
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 8: and six win team, And this is what a one
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 8: or two win team looks like right now, this is
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 8: how bad it.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: But again it's not necessarily the record, it's how the
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 6: record is being compiled. Like last year, I thought the
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 6: team stunk. They easily could have won two, three more games.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 6: It wouldn't have changed anything to me. I don't think
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 6: they were very talented. But this is like, this is
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: a mess right now. I didn't expect it to be
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 6: to Look, I didn't expect to give up almost two
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 6: hundred yards rushing, you know, weekly it's the collapse of
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 6: the team.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 9: It is. I keep coming back to it with Mayo,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 9: like what what is his program? Like what what is
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 9: he standing for? And like what is what's the vision here?
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 9: Because like it's one thing to lose games on the field,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 9: but every head coach like has something to hang their
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 9: hat on. Like maybe he's a culture builder, which is
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 9: kind of what we got sold on. I would say
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 9: the most so build the culture. Well, the culture stinks.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 9: The culture is falling apart, like you like Paul is saying, like,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 9: you know, guys are squawking off the field. Things are
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 9: happening off the field, So the culture is not good.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 9: So we can't say that that's what he's building and
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 9: then schematically they're not good either. So he's not an
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 9: ex's a nose guy. He's not a Kyle Shanahan type.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 9: That's you know, this wizard on the offensive or defensive
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 9: side of the ball. So I'm just that's the part
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 9: that's the most concerning, is like, what what is he
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 9: bringing to the table right now? If he's not a
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 9: culture builder or he's not an ex as the nose guy,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 9: it's just nothing. And that that's the standard that I'm
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 9: talking about.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: Let's see who is this? Bryan says, hoping you'll read this.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: It was bad enough to lose the chat, but you've
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: cut way back on email reads as well. Well, today's
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: your lucky day fer number one. Time to end the
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: pop joke. Thought he was getting bench heading into the game.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: Then he gets all those failed targets. Can we get
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: him out of here? I'd even take a couple of
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: bake or snaps at this point, he's had a long
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: naughty chair time out.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 6: Why did you think he was getting bench heading into
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 6: the game.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: I didn't know that just because of performance. Maybe I
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: don't know.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, I didn't think he was going to get benged.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 6: I don't think you should have gotten banged.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: I if you listened to Gerrad, he thinks that this
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: guy is going to be good.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 6: Now, maybe you know that the fact that the off
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 6: field stuff is continuing. Maybe at some point you have
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: to think about that, because that's the only thing that
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: really gets anyone's attention.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 9: I think a mental time out would do him a
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 9: lot of.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, seems like the whole product on the field is
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 5: completely unacceptable. Fans deserve more. I'm a fanboy who was
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: all signed up for a long, slow rebuild, but thought
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: i'd get a competitive game once in a while. Remember
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: take him to the hill? Well they died on that hill.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: Some flashes on. Oh but the d is broken. Something
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: big needs to change. But where to start? Which leak
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: do you plug first? Where did Bourne say that we
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: get tired on these long drives?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 6: Did he just say that today? No, it's a herald
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 6: after the game?
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: Oh did he? What's that all about?
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: I don't know. He said that we're not doing what
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 6: we need to do. I'm paraphrasing, taking care of ourselves
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 6: off the field, getting in late, not uh, not eating
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: right and blah blah blah.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 9: So that's why we could have been talking about, Yeah,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 9: well maybe the guy that was sick from hope.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 8: I just I was making the joke to Paul Place
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 8: like like when these teams, like you listen all week
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 8: and they talk about like Pepper when we're ready, you know,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 8: haze the barn, like that kind of thing, and then
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 8: like this is just the Patriots. There's a lot of teams,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 8: but then like they lose and whin five minutes to
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 8: lose and they're just like we're not doing enough, Like did.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: You realize that three hours ago?
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 8: Like or does that just like occur to you in
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 8: this last game and you're not doing it?
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 9: Like you know?
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 8: And I guess there's no other response really other than
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 8: we just.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 6: Got to go back.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 9: That's the part that's so disappointing to me is because
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 9: like I this is that that's the type of stuff
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 9: that I didn't think Drod Mayo would stand for. Like
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 9: I felt like that was what he was going to
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 9: bring to the table, work ethic culture, you know, locker
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 9: room camaraderie, like.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: All stick together, like all that.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 9: Kind of stuff, and and they just aren't, like they
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 9: are just coming apart at the seam. And it just
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 9: I can understand that you're not a Bill Belichick football mind,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 9: that you aren't seeing the x's and o's at this
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 9: like higher plane that no one else can possibly reach.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 9: But you got you gotta bring something to the table.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: Franklin and Baltimore's says he disagrees with that email. Stop
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: with the straw Man argument that the Patriots fans expected
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: instant gratification. Most fans knew this rebuild was going to
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: result in a bunch of losses, but no one expected
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: further dysfunction, inconsistent messaging, and a nobody jackwagon with Stonehands
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: saying he's the best in the league, Like, come on.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 6: So I agree with that. I don't think there's been
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 6: a lot of people that are like stunged that they
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 6: want in six like, oh my god, we wanted they're
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: getting blown up. Under was like four and a half
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 6: for wins. The win the win total in Vegas, right, Like,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 6: I don't think there's a lot of people's stunts that
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 6: they're having a hard time winning games. They're stunned at
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 6: the manner in which it's taking place. Like, I don't
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 6: think people expected the amount of mistakes every week that
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 6: are just being repeated that are not they don't take talent.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 6: It's the Austin Hooper thing. I go back to Hooper
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 6: in the preseason. Hooper drives the boat mic.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 8: Right, And then I don't think you'd feel as sad
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 8: about it if you felt like the team was all
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 8: kind of together at least, And you know, and I
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 8: know a lot of teams they start to lose and
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 8: it starts to come apart. And but I just I mean,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 8: like I look at gotchawing a quality. I mean, to me,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 8: almost feels like they're like talking to each other through
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 8: the press, like someone I want, you know, quality saying
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 8: some guys have higher opinions than themselves, and you know,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 8: and you know, it's.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 9: Just like that.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 8: I mean, who else is who else can have a
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 8: higher opinion themselves on the defense?
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 9: Then I mean, he's the only guy that has.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 6: And I get it, Like listen, I don't watch The
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 6: All twenty two, and this for once, I'm not making
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 6: fun of you. I don't watch The All twenty two.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 6: And I know that he is very highly rated analytically
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 6: to von gotcha right, But I'm sorry, when you're in
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 6: the middle of a defense that allows two hundred yards rushing,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 6: I don't care how good you are. You're not doing
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 6: your job like something is happening. That's that's allowing this
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 6: to break down. You can't take your bows, even if
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 6: you're doing your job every play, it's not the time
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: to take a bow. So I can understand it. If
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 6: you're right, Mike, and a Quality is kind of talking
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: about his guy that's lined up.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 8: I'm just trying to read between the lines. But it's
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 8: to me, it's like with these guys, it's like sometimes
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 8: they make plays. It's like, you know, sometimes Daniel Quality
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 8: plays okay, and then like.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: A couple of plays, Anthony Jennings is like in.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 9: The backfield, had some times for loss, like.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 6: I don't see him going out.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 8: I'm setting my edge maddening, And yeah, they can do
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 8: it at times. I would just say, like one thing
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 8: about change, Like I would explore options that middle linebacker
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 8: out there, whatever's out there, I would consider it. I
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 8: just I mean, I mean why or something. Now, I
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 8: would just try to throw somebody in there for competent play.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 6: But you can't give anything up.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 8: No, I'm not saying I would. I'm not saying go
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 8: and trade. I would just look for answers. I would
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 8: start turning over.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 6: I would try to acquire as many draft picks as
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: they can because.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 8: I mean, and I'm not saying that that's gonna make
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 8: a difference. I mean, this guy might be you know,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 8: somebody who's almost out of the league. But I just
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 8: I think that the level of play behind these guys,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 8: like the front, I feel like at times you see
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 8: them make plays, and you see them like I think,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 8: you're not capable of doing it at times. It's just
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 8: never consistent.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 9: But the second level, I don't see them.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: Every team has players that at times makes a play
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: out there.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 8: I mean, but well, I say, the line are not
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 8: are not capable of.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: You got to do it, you know, to get off
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 5: the field. You can't just do a one pro drive.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 9: I agree with Mike on this so much. With the line.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 9: The linebacker play is deplorable. Like I I don't like,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 9: I don't even know what word to use.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 6: Like it is, that's a good one. It is.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 8: It's what it looks like when a team doesn't have
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 8: linebackers who make plays. I mean, that's you know, usually
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 8: the functional lineback.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 6: So we're just putting this down so and and I
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 6: like your Bentley, but we're just like you take one
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: guy out and they just don't have NFL. No.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 9: I actually think a lot of it though, you know,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 9: like in their defense. And again I said the beginning
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 9: of the show, like I think Jelani Devi is a
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 9: good player, Like, so I don't think that. I think
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 9: this is more about usage with ta VI than it
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 9: is about his talent level. But it all feeds together,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 9: especially in the two gapping system where if the guys
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 9: up front aren't eating those blocks and they're not doing
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 9: their jobs on the line of scrimmage, now those blockers
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 9: are getting up to the second level and they're getting
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 9: on the linebackers, and now the linebackers are dealing with that.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 6: So that's I think it's everybody.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 9: It all feeds together into each other. But I just
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 9: look at the linebackers right now, and it's when they
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 9: do get me met by blocker, like they can't get
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 9: off blocks, and sometimes they're getting blocked by like tight ends,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 9: like it's not even getting blocked by by offensive linemen,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 9: and not to mention the issues that they have in
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 9: coverage at that spot. But I don't think it's just Bentley.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 9: I think bar more, you know, clogging up space and
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 9: taking on guys and defeating blocks is a big thing.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 9: I think Jabriel Peppers coming downhill at the line of
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 9: scrimmage and blowing up plays is a big deal and
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 9: not having those I was.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: Just talking specifically about the linebacker play.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: About how about you know, I mean, it wasn't great
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: in this last year or two, but Lawrence.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 9: Guy, Yeah, it could be part of it too. Like
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 9: I just Bentley to me, if you want to look
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 9: at specifically Bentley and the linebackers, it's it's almost like
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 9: they got worse at two positions because Bentley comes off
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 9: the field, so Devi has to go to Bentley's spot,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 9: and then now Devi's position is worse because Devi is
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 9: not playing his spike.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 6: And I talked about that in the pregame show like
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: three or four weeks ago.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I just think Tavia, like Jets game, I think
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 8: he is a good player, and I just I think
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 8: there isn't a player on the roster right now that
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 8: can allow him to go back to being that good player.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 8: And he's just gonna have to fight through it and
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 8: try to figure out how to operate inside, how to
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 8: get you know, through blocks. It's not his thing, and
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 8: it's just and I think, like the jumping off side stuff,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 8: like talked about how angry he was all last week,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 8: Like it just feels like he is swimming it right now.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 8: It's all on him. There's no one to really help him,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 8: and he feels like he can't really do it, and
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 8: I just it's got to be really frustrating. It's frustrating
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 8: to watch, and I feel for him because I do
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 8: agree with Evan that he can play.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: But I mean, let's face it, this is where you
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: miss Bill Belichick the most. You know, his ability with
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: duct tape in bailing wire was better than any.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: That's Evans's point, Like, you know, you're supposed to be
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: a defensive minded coach. You should be doing something to
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 6: fix this, because again, I don't think stopping the run
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: is just about talent, Like this should not be happening.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 6: You should be able to scheme it up and say
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 6: you're not running anymore, do something else. I'm gonna make
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 6: you do something else, but you're not. Like, if you're
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: Anthony Jennings, could you come after this game and say
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: they didn't run anything wide, Everything was between the tackles.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: They're running right at the gut right at you. They're not.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 6: They're not disguising anything. They're not sending multiple guys, you know, misdirection.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 6: It was just lining up and pounding the ball straight
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 6: ahead and they couldn't stop it. Like you should be
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 6: able to scheme that and just say you're not doing
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 6: it that way anymore.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I just wonder, you know, with the way that
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 9: they've always been a two gapping front. They've always been
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 9: that way. But if you don't have the horses to
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 9: two gap, and they don't have guys that can take
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 9: on those blocks and hold up those blocks and plug
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 9: multiple gaps and things like that, like they got to
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 9: be more aggressive, Like.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: Maybe you change there how you do it. You don't
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 5: two gap it.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 9: Right exactly like what I'm saying, Like, you know, if
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 9: you have I think one thing that stands out to
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 9: me with their they're pretty small in the front seven now,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 9: like they you know, Christian Ellis is playing a ton
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 9: and he's really not a thumper, Like he's not, you know,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 9: a two hundred and fifty pound linebacker. You know, some
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 9: of these other guys like jaquainn Roy has played pretty
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 9: well for considering where he came from. And the fact
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 9: he's a practice squad guy, but they're like playing him
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 9: some nose tackle. He's not a nose tackle. He's not
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 9: that big. He's not you know, God shows high even
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 9: or you know, even bigger than that. So like, let
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 9: some of those guys get up the field, Like, yeah,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 9: they might miss sometimes, but at least they might make
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 9: some plays in the backfield every once in a while.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 8: I think this is the hard thing with I mean,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 8: there's a number of things that are hard with moving
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 8: on from Bill, but this defense was built a certain way,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 8: and it was kind of at Bill's disposal to use it,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 8: to deploy it as he saw fit from week to week.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 8: But ultimately, you never really had a defense that had
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 8: a pure base. Now this is what we are. You know,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 8: a lot of teams, you just look at them. They're
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 8: a four to three defense. Their two defensive ends are
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 8: going to rush the pad. We've seen a couple of
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 8: them over the last couple of weeks. That's who those
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 8: defenses are. And so it's just it's so hard to
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 8: pass the baton on that kind of defense when really
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 8: the skill of the defense was that they could kind
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 8: of do what they wanted to and now you're trying
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 8: to ask a new defensive coordinator to deploy what he wants,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 8: but with limited amounts of pieces, and there's nothing that
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 8: they can go back to. It's not like, you know,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 8: we've seen him try to go back to the three
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 8: four defense.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: That's what you know.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 8: When Bill's defenses would get run on and they were
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 8: getting gashed, they go back to the three to four
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 8: their base defense. Their first sy installed. This is how
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 8: we stopped the run, and they would stop the run
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 8: to passepoint, that's what.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 6: They would do.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 8: They don't they don't have that. They have nothing to
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 8: kind of lean on. And I wonder, as Ellie Wolf
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 8: has to try to rebuild this defense next year, what
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 8: do you rebuild to because there's not really a set
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 8: formula of what we need this pass rushing defensive, Like
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 8: you really could say you need anything right now with
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 8: this defense. You could take any kind of tackle would
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 8: fit for Bill. He would use any of those things.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 8: So and I look at the linebacker position too, Bentley,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 8: I mean I really like Bentley. I wouldn't say I
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 8: love him and think that he is one of those
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 8: Ray Lewis type, you know, game changing inside linebackers. But
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 8: what do you do with that position now?
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, I because you've seen.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 8: What happens without him, You're gonna need at least somebody
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 8: waiting in the wings who has some size that can
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 8: do what you want to do. But I think they
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 8: might have to redefine what their defensive philosophy of the Newton.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 9: Patriots, Well, but what is there, Like they don't have one?
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what I mean, you define it.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 9: And like maybe that used to like to your point,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 9: that used to work in the past, where they could
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 9: just go game plan the game plan. But I think
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 9: the frustrating part to me with their defense now is that,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 9: like you can't do that, So, like, can we find
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 9: two things that you're good at and just keep doing
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 9: those two things, Like if you're good at stopping in
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 9: the run in one front or one personnel grouping, or
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 9: you're good in third down and one you know, type
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 9: of coverage or whatever, just run it. Yeah, Like and
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 9: at this point, I I there's other defenses and there's
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 9: other systems, and you always go back to those Seattle teams.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 9: They ran the same coverage all game long. They never changed.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 9: They ran the same coverage, but they had great players
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 9: running that defense, so they didn't need to be this
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 9: like a meeba, you know, disguise heavy. Yeah, they ran
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 9: Mabel every single play like it was just like the
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 9: same thing.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 6: Bill used to say that about the Giants. You know,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 6: when he was with the Giants, Parcels would get on
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 6: him because he always wanted to tinker. And then the
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 6: way games they would just come out and play literally
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 6: ninety five percent of the time in base defense with
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 6: two deep safety.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: They were so good.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't have to do it.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 5: Micah from South Dakota, how much effect do you think
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 5: to Mario Douglas being out in the middle of the
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: game had on Drake May and the offense. I think
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: it's pretty clear that Man Douglas have the best chemistry together.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: So it makes me wonder if May not having his
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: guy on the field caused him to not play as
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: well in the middle part of the field. Also, if
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 5: we ever find a run game, then this offense could
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: easily be a mid level NFL offense scoring twenty one
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: to twenty eight points.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 9: I love how the bar is just like, let's get
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 9: to sixteenth in the league, let's get mid level. Yeah,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 9: it was a big deal. Douglas being out and Drake
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 9: May's numbers against man coverage tanked completely once Douglas was,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 9: you know, out in and out of the lineup. He
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 9: hit him on that third down very early on in
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 9: the game against man to man and they couldn't really
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 9: make any plays other than the booty throw against man coverage.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 9: So it was definitely a big deal that they didn't
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 9: have him in there. And I'm sure that you know
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 9: he's really the one guy that against man to man
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 9: like he can get open and he can separate, and
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 9: he can make plays.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 8: They needed the receiver remerch. I mean, whether it's Born,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 8: whether it's Polk, whether it's I mean, one of those
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 8: guys just has to step up and do something they're
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 8: not gonna get by throwing just to Hunter, Henry and
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 8: Douglas in the middle of the field and the checkdowns
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 8: to the back.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 5: It's it's not enough.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 8: You need an outside receiver to do to do something.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 8: I mean, you hope that Bourne is gonna come on,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 8: but again, it takes a little time with these kind
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 8: of injuries, and you probably are gonna expect some ups
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 8: and downs from him.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: Regardless.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 6: The more players you have, obviously the better, Like it's not.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 6: It doesn't help your offense that one of the guys
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: that you probably went into the game plan, Douglas being
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 6: a part of you know, he's out in the middle
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 6: of the game. But like, that's not why you go
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 6: into the tank. You know, it doesn't help certainly doesn't help.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 6: You need them, you need They don't have enough good
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 6: players to be able to afford to lose a good player.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 9: So can I go on on one mini rant about
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 9: about the run game and all that? Though I would
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 9: like to take their play action playbook and fire it
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 9: to the sun. I think it's awful. I don't think
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 9: the routes make any sense whatsoever. I don't think that
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 9: the scheme marries up at all. They are running wide
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 9: zone play action plays off of you know, straight draw
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 9: back gap type of run concepts. There, their route spacing
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 9: on play action.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 6: Their rout spacing period to me makes me scratch my
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 6: head a lot.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, their rout spacing on play action, particularly on Sunday,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 9: was horrible. Like the very first play of the game,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 9: they run a play action drop and they have like
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 9: a deep curl with a crosser that is going right
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 9: into the crop, and I'm just like you know what
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 9: are we doing?
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 6: Surprisingly, Drake had to scramble on that play.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, And so he's looking at it and he's trying
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 9: to read, like to see you know, curl to cross,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 9: and like I, he's looking at it and he's like,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 9: where would you like me to go with this football?
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 9: Right now? Then they ran the bootleg play where Hunter
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 9: Henry and Jalen Polk nearly ran into each other, and
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 9: the one that Pulk dropped right, and it just none
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 9: of it makes any sense, Like this offense is absolutely
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 9: begging for them to pull a guard and just run
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 9: the tight end right behind the linebacker and throw it
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 9: right behind his ear. Like it just I don't understand
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 9: any of it. And it's like so surprising to me
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 9: because Cleveland runs a lot of the same stuff really
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 9: really well. So I don't really understand how last year
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 9: in Cleveland it looked great and now this year they
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 9: can't run it at all with the Patriots. But their
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 9: play action concepts are just brutal.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 5: Back to the tpx houtline Sean's and Vancouver, what's up Sean?
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 10: Hey?
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 13: Everyone?
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 22: One play I'd like to see the Patriots move away
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 22: from is running up the middle on first down.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 14: They tried it like nine times earleat any morning.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 6: They did not.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 9: No, you look, look at the games I did.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 6: I got the numbers their first their first down runs
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 6: they didn't have. They didn't have a ton of them,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 6: and in the second half they had none. I think
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 6: they had one first down run the whole the entire
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 6: second half. But they didn't run the ball as much
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 6: as you think they did. This is I was a
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 6: little prepared for this because it was all Alex van
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 6: Pelt's fault that the offense didn't do anything. And I
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 6: might sound a little defensive. I'm not trying to be
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 6: defensive because I agree with a lot of the stuff
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 6: that Evan said. I'm confused by their route patterns at times.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 6: I'm not a nexus and nose guy. I don't break
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 6: it down, but there's too many times that I just
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 6: watch and there's two receivers in the general vicinity of
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 6: each other. That's something I complained about last year. It's
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 6: something I complained about even more the year before that,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 6: because it looked like they looked like they didn't have
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 6: any spacing to the offense. Like so, I'm not telling
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: you Alex van Pelt doesn't deserve to have criticism. They
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 6: didn't run the ball as much as people are blaming
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 6: the self destruction of the offense.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: No, I think pretty much they realized they can't run.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 6: They couldn't run, and they didn't really try.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 9: They had one series in the second quarter where they
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 9: went negative run, negative screen, third and long punt. But
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 9: like in general, I didn't think the play sequencing was
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 9: the problem. It's just that what's happening is like the
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 9: second level of every defense is flying downhill at the
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 9: line a scrimmage when they're under center. They are just
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 9: they are not respecting any play action because the Patriots
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 9: think at it. So they just run right at the
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 9: line of scrimmage. And until you start to script some
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 9: play action plays that actually, you know, get the defense
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 9: to to pay for that, then they're not going to
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 9: be able to run the ball. Like the run game
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 9: is all about numbers and physicality upfront, Like it's it's
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 9: not like scheme is not really where you're going when
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 9: it comes to the run game, it's a numbers game.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 9: How many guys do we have on that side of
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 9: the ball versus how many defenders do they have for
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 9: us to block? And what's happening is that these teams
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 9: are just funneling fast to the football and they can't
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 9: play action off of it. So that's why I brought
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 9: up the play action stuff, because if they start hitting
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 9: some play action plays, then you can't do that with
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 9: your linebackers. They have to start respecting that.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 6: So five of their first down runs came when the
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 6: first two drives. What happened on those two drives? The
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 6: score points. Yeah, So like Evan's exactly right. They came out,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 6: you know, on first down on the third possession, first
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 6: play was a pass. Now they get a pass in
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 6: Afferance on it, so they get another first down. Now
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 6: they run, they get minus one. They passed twice after that.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 6: Like it's like the blaming of the offensive lack of
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 6: production on on they just ran the ball too many.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 6: I got an dream a big head about this yesterday, Andy,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 6: because Andy, Andy makes Evan look like a hater of
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 6: Drake May right now. He is so in love with
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 6: Drake May. It's it's a little to do that. It's
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 6: off putting, to be honest with you, because he's so negative.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: He'll have his jersey on, but like he.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 6: Goes, well, maybe if they didn't you know, they didn't
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 6: bog down the offense, but on the all on their own.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 6: I'm like, what are you talking about, like bogged down
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 6: the offense. I went back and I looked, and I
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 6: highlighted all of the first down runs. Like they didn't
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 6: run the ball at all in the second half like that.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 6: I think they ran twice in the entirety of the.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 8: Second one possession in the third quarter because of that
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 8: long drive.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 9: That passes in this game, they had negative two rushing
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 9: yards before contact negative too. They were going.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 6: Backwards and that's why they ran the ball twelve times
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 6: in the game. Like they didn't try to run into
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 6: the brick wall. They had no success really doing it,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 6: and Van Pelt didn't try to stay with it, like
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 6: it didn't work. But like you can't just throw the
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 6: ball every single play right right, Like oh you can,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 6: well not until the end, like you're down two scores
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 6: in the end, which you down two scores because you
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 6: opted to be in the fourth quarter, so you knew
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: how you would be able to unfold, you know, the
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: last eight minutes. But just to find I get a
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 6: little annoyed with the hole they ran the ball too much.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 6: There's too many first down runs like you have to
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 6: run the ball sometimes when the game is still in
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 6: the balance, when they're up ten to nothing, like we
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 6: need to just throw the ball every play. They ran
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 6: it once on that next drive once.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 9: The way they play that they can't play action. It
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 9: drives me not It's like everybody's stacking the box. Everybody's
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 9: firing guys at the line of scrimmage, and yet they
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 9: can't get a linebacker to bite on play action and
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 9: it hit something behind him, Like, I just I'm sorry, Sam,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 9: what's up, Sam?
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 5: Sam?
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 6: It's up? Yep, keep going the big fan.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 22: I've been listening to you guys in twenty thirteen.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 13: Big thing you guys.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 22: I have two questions, one about Drake May and then
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 22: one about the two point conversion Paul, I want to
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 22: get into that with you.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: Okay, nothing he did.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 22: I don't feel strongly one way or the other. But yeah,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 22: so for Drake May, I want I question for Evan
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 22: on that last interceptible pass that he was throwing at
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 22: Hooper towards the end zone. Is it fair to say
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 22: that Hooper read that wrong and he should have actually
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 22: stopped it. May make the right decisions.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's the way I saw it, and I didn't
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 9: count that as a as a turnover worthy play for Drake.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 9: The cart cross or to Osborne should have been a
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 9: pick six and not one definitely counts. But the one
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 9: to Hooper Henry ran the same exact route earlier in
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 9: the game and ran the route correctly for completion. Uh,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 9: the one that Hooper ran, I I don't I don't
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 9: know how they're coaching it, but just based off of
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 9: what you hear, you know that that route usually you
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 9: want to settle someplace in that void of the zone
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 9: instead of continuing on with the corner.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 22: Okay, cool, because I heard I've heard people say he
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 22: had like two interceptible passes, and I definitely agree on
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 22: the one that the Osborne, but I thought the second
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 22: one was definitely not on him. I thought he made
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 22: the right sision.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 6: It may not have been on him, but it was
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 6: an interceptible pass. It hit the guy in the hands.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 22: Yeah, of course, I'm just getting his play, Like when
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 22: he makes that decision, obviously he's not expecting you know.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: No, totally fair, totally fair.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 22: And I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because, like
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 22: I should, we should be ecstatic you know, we just
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 22: won the lottery. In my opinion with Drake May, like,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 22: you know, we have the third quarterback.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 9: And it's not just me.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 22: We hit off the part. You know, it's like hundred
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 22: million dollars and someone says, yeah, but they're actually gonna
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 22: attack like sixty million. So okay, so I get forty
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 22: million dollars, it's still amazing, Like what the heck we're
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 22: doing amazing?
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: So I don't know, but what if you got forty
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: million dollars and you're not allowed to spend it? But anyway,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: go ahead, Sam, what what's your two point thing? Okay?
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 22: So my thing with Paul is like, so as long
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 22: as we start with your basis of it, if you
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 22: fail at two point conversion with eight minutes left, or
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 22: you fail at two point conversion with thirty seconds left,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 22: you're probably not gonna win. We're both agree on that, right.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 22: So my second point is like I just well hits
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 22: the argument. But if you have more information, like obviously,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 22: like when the pictures got the ball back down nine,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 22: I believe there's like four minutes left, aren't they gonna
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 22: aren't they gonna be more aggressive and they're gonna try
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 22: to score more quickly before the two minute warnings versus
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 22: they say, let's say they were down eight, they might
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 22: take their time more, have a more methodical drive because
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 22: they don't know if they're gonna want to score too early,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 22: you know what I mean?
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 6: Because then it shouldn't be. That shouldn't be. But the
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 6: first thing that you know, why should you have more
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 6: urgency down down one or the other? You have to score.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 6: You either score or you lose.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 22: Point if you're a scoring range. Right, let's say like
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 22: they cross the fifty with like a two minutes and
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 22: fifty seventh left or something right, So you're gonna want
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 22: to take more.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 6: Time down Okay, can I can I stop you for
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 6: a second? Sam? So if you're down nine, why are
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 6: you crossing the fifty with the ball with two fifty left?
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 6: But if you're down eight, you're scoring with no time left.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 6: That's the part that I don't get, Because you're.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 22: Gonna have more urgency to one to four quicker because
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 22: you know you need to be on site kick whereas
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 22: the other point you're gonna because under both scenarios right.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 6: Now, So so you think we can we the idea
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 6: of needing urgency, So you get an on side kick
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 6: outweighs only needing one score, right, Like, I don't can't skip,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 6: I can't see that's the problem.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: Can we all agree that whether you go for two
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: or not, you have no idea how the rest of
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: the game is gonna unfold?
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 6: And can I just say why when you're down nine,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 6: do you know what you need? But when you're down
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 6: eight you don't know what you need? You don't have
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 6: urgent people.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 22: Because we're in both hypotheticals, right, we agree that you're
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 22: gonna fail the people in conversion otherwise, at no point
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 22: in having this conversation, right, we agree you're gonna fail
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 22: both times?
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 6: No, what Why am I agreeing to that?
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 14: Because the the idea.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 22: Is would you rather fail early or feel late?
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 6: I don't want to fail at all exactly? But but
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 6: but but I'm just trying to play the percentages. I'm
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 6: trying to extend the game. I'm trying to make it
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 6: a competitive game for as long as I can. That's
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 6: why if most coaches put off going for two as
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 6: long as they can, because it extends the game.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 5: If you're now under eight minutes and you need two possessions,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 5: game's over so much easier for the other team the
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: game's over.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 6: You read about like al Cola presents fantastic finishes thirty
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 6: years later on the one time the team that didn't
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 6: have the ball with eight minutes left down two scores
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 6: once those are like these, These are these famous, these
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 6: famous comebacks that that happened, you know, once or twice
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 6: a decade, Like we're going to.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 9: Agree to disagree on this one.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 6: Saying again, I'm not listen, I'm not This is not
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 6: about Sam.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 5: I wish he had a better someone just give me.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 6: All I'm looking for is someone to give me a
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 6: reason that doesn't involve knowing what I need, doesn't involve
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 6: under the When you're down eight, you're not getting a
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 6: two point conversion until the final seconds and the game
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 6: is over. I don't understand why that has to be.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 6: Why can't you score with six minutes left? And now
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 6: I have Now I'm down with you.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 9: At that point of course I would.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 6: I would try to tie the game. But if it misses,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 6: because as Sam said, I'm failing either way. So I
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 6: miss with with six minutes left. Now I have six
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 6: minutes to make a stop and kick a field goal
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 6: to win the game. As the same thing that they
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 6: want to do.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 5: Down now, with tie running out, I'd rather with time
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: running out, I'd rather need I'd rather have the scenario.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: What I only need the ball back one more time
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 5: to tie than to have the ball back two times.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 6: Being down nine doesn't ensure that you will have two
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 6: possessions any more than being down eight does. Right, But
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 6: that's the way it's perceived somehow. When you're down eight,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 6: you just gonna lolly gag in and out of the
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 6: huddle and wait all the time, run all the time
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 6: off the clock because we want to score in the
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 6: last second and get the two point conversion, send the
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 6: game to overtime. Why can't you with a twenty two left,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 6: force a three and out, get the ball back, score
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 6: in four plays, miss the two point conversion, and still
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 6: have five minutes left to get another three and out
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 6: if you want.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 8: Does not compute.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 9: But if you're down eight, this is where you like you.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 6: You you have like because you like friends on the
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 6: other side, like.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: If he was like he's leading brethren, right, I.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 9: Know, I know this is where we love. This is
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 9: where it's come to the line for me, come to
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 9: the like the the nerdom that I enjoy is not
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 9: this right. I could honestly care less about your win
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 9: probability model. I could care less. The nerdom that I
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 9: like is like charting things and like data that is
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 9: not predictive but is actual, like EPA, which is a
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 9: stat that is tangible. Like the wind probability stuff. I
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 9: think has really done a lot more damage in a
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 9: lot of ways than good because these nerds don't play sports. Okay,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 9: but the the other stuff is different, and so I
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 9: hate that I, you know, get put into the.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 6: Box I am. I'm here to listen if someone gives
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 6: me a tangible reason why it's better right to be
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 6: down now?
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 5: All right, two quick, more quick, because we're running out
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 5: of time here, Patty and agawam quickly. Patty gotta hurry. Okay,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 5: he's not there. We'll do one more. And this is
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 5: Dante and Orlando. That's a weird Orlando. Well, they have
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 5: a lot of problem with the hurricane. So all right,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 5: that's gonna be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: I just apologize to all all the hundreds of emailers.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 5: We didn't get to like that many of them, so
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 5: we'll try to do better tomorrow.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 6: We'll try to get to see if we can host
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 6: Freddy down he was a little wound up the first
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 6: forty five minutes, and.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 5: We will be back tomorrow at noon playbook. Also tomorrow,
• 1:58:17
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• 1:58:20
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