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Tigers' AL Central hopes take a hit after White Sox sweep · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network. Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Karen's Decley
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Speaker 1: with me as always a man who will not be
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Speaker 1: intimidated against using the number five.
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Speaker 2: He is Cody Stavenhagen.
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Speaker 3: How we doing I'm doing good? That's that. Jane Daniels
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Speaker 3: story is crazy. Tigers haven't lost five in a row,
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Speaker 3: but they did. They did lose three in a row
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Speaker 3: this weekend. What a shame on us for thinking anything
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Speaker 3: with this season would make sense. I almost feel like
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Speaker 3: I fell into the trap of being like, oh, the
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Speaker 3: Tigers are playing good baseball. They they will continue to
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Speaker 3: play good baseball. The White Socks came into their house
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Speaker 3: and really stuck it to them over the course of
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Speaker 3: three games. The White Sox a team that he just
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Speaker 3: keep thinking is going to fall off, but they haven't.
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Speaker 3: And then you watch them play and it's like, man,
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Speaker 3: they can hit the ball. They're well managed, they are
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Speaker 3: that they execute, they put a lot of pressure on
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Speaker 3: the opponent. They're really impressive. And the Tigers, for as
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Speaker 3: much as they hung in a couple of these games,
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Speaker 3: all their flaws, I feel like kind of showed up
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Speaker 3: this weekend, so you entered having a chance. If they
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Speaker 3: would have swept the White Sox Kieran, the Tigers would
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Speaker 3: have had sole possession of first place in the al Cyndrol.
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Speaker 3: You lose three in a row, you're back to five
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Speaker 3: and a half out. It's a pretty drastic swing in odds.
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Speaker 3: They went from their odds of winning the division being
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Speaker 3: twenty five percent to all the way down to nine percent.
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Speaker 3: Their playoff odds fell from thirty seven point four percent
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Speaker 3: to seventeen percent. The projection systems really hate the fact
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Speaker 3: that you got swept by the division rival, division leading
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Speaker 3: White Sox. Look, this isn't over. There's still a game
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Speaker 3: out of the wild Card. But I think disappointing is
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Speaker 3: a good word to describe this series.
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Speaker 1: What's the opposite of that. When I thought I was out,
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Speaker 1: they pulled me back in.
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Speaker 3: That's what is out.
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Speaker 2: That's what this weekend was.
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Speaker 1: And and honestly, kind of on a game by game basis, Cody,
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Speaker 1: that sentiment lives because each of these games so nine
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Speaker 1: to five Friday, four three, Saturday, seven five on Sunday,
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Speaker 1: and we're recording this early evening on Sunday, Like each
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Speaker 1: of one of these games did feel like a within
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Speaker 1: striking distance fall short. What has this season been within
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Speaker 1: you know, since June first, within striking distance ultimately falling short.
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Speaker 1: And now you know, not only are they just like
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Speaker 1: a game out, but the fact that you got swept,
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Speaker 1: now you're more muddied in that wildcard standing than than
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Speaker 1: you would really like to be. And you did get
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Speaker 1: some breaks. The Rangers lost two out of three to
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Speaker 1: the Athletics. Like you know, like you said, not this
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Speaker 1: guy is not falling, but the I would say, the
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Speaker 1: good vibes have have evaporated into the summer air in Detroit,
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Speaker 1: and so I'm just kind of curious. And there are
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Speaker 1: some popses and we'll and we'll get to those. But
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Speaker 1: after as much hyped as this homestand was, and then
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Speaker 1: you know, you take two I three against Cleveland and
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Speaker 1: you have Chicago come in here and and kind of
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Speaker 1: take your lunch money a little bit, like what's the
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Speaker 1: vibe in the clubhouse?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I think the vibe is okay.
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Speaker 3: I think maybe in part because you have so many
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Speaker 3: new guys in there, still kind of trying to figure
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Speaker 3: things out, you know, aj Hinch was asked after Saturday's loss,
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Speaker 3: is there any risk of deflation? And AJ kind of said, well,
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Speaker 3: have you ever seen these guys deflated? And I wanted
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Speaker 3: to say yeah in May, but since May, to the
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Speaker 3: credit of the manager and the team, really no, Like
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Speaker 3: these guys have shown some resiliency. They've been through a
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Speaker 3: lot this season, and maybe that does help. It didn't
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Speaker 3: feel to me in the club house at any point
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Speaker 3: this weekend like it was the end of the world.
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Speaker 3: But I still think it's fair for fans to feel disappointed,
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Speaker 3: to be disappointed in the performance in what has been
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Speaker 3: the biggest series to date of the year. I think
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Speaker 3: maybe the journey this team has gone on does matter
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Speaker 3: a little bit, because this isn't over. You go in,
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Speaker 3: you play good ball against the Pirates and the Royals,
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Speaker 3: and you can more or less make up for this,
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Speaker 3: especially in the context of the wild card. It does
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Speaker 3: hurt you your odds winning the division pretty significantly, But
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Speaker 3: there is still a lot of baseball left, all those
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Speaker 3: good truisms like we can't fully talk about this like
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Speaker 3: a like a football game, like it changes everything. So
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Speaker 3: there's just a lot a lot of games left to play.
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Speaker 3: You're gonna see the White Sox again at their place
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Speaker 3: on the final road trip of the season. So I
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Speaker 3: don't think the vibes are like ruined or defeated. You've
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Speaker 3: just had this long uphill climb and right when it
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Speaker 3: seems like you're kind of finally getting back to the
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Speaker 3: top of the mountain, you know, one step forward, two
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Speaker 3: steps back. That's kind of what it's been. You're back
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Speaker 3: to four games under five hundred, and I think, certainly
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Speaker 3: for those of us on the outside, that is frustrating.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and I do want to give the
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Speaker 1: White Sox some credit here now. One of the often
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Speaker 1: repeated lines on this podcast, uh you know from you
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Speaker 1: is like are the White Socks really gonna win this division?
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Speaker 1: And I came away from this weekend being like.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this weekend like they.
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Speaker 1: Played like a division dog, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: and like just like relentless and like not giving anything away,
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Speaker 1: taking a lot more than they give away, certainly, And
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Speaker 1: you just got to look at the first batter on
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Speaker 1: Saturday's game, uh, to to to get that vibe. A
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Speaker 1: lot of fun arms in the pen and just like power,
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Speaker 1: like if there's a way to come in, you know,
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Speaker 1: come into a divisional series on the road and just
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Speaker 1: kind of suck the soul out of the team.
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Speaker 2: It's home run.
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Speaker 1: Power and they and they have a lot of that
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Speaker 1: up and down their lineup, and we saw it even
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Speaker 1: at the real bottom if you want to include Sunday's
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Speaker 1: game of their order and the like. So, like the
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Speaker 1: fact that they just came in here and executed the
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Speaker 1: way they did is actually more concerning to me than
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Speaker 1: just like losing these games.
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Speaker 2: Because you let them dictate all.
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Speaker 1: These games what they score first, and at least of
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Speaker 1: the two of the games, right, Uh yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: two had three Sunday B and.
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Speaker 2: D exception to that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So like so they so they dictated the terms
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Speaker 1: of this series more than you. And that's when you
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Speaker 1: had Jackson Joe on the mound on Friday and Troy
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Speaker 1: Melton on the mound on Saturday, and then a talk
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Speaker 1: yourself into how good he could be Drew Anderson on
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Speaker 1: the mound on Sunday. Like, at no point in this series, Cody,
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Speaker 1: did I ever think the Tigers were on their game? Well,
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Speaker 1: we we we talked a lot about the re gaining
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Speaker 1: of the identity and there were glimpses of it but
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Speaker 1: again not enough. For the most part, they were imbalanced.
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Speaker 2: I would say this entire weekend.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Kieran, the White Socks are built a little differently,
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Speaker 3: definitely geared toward power, even though I mean the Tigers
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Speaker 3: have a powerful lineup, They're constructed a little differently. But
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Speaker 3: I think we saw reasons like like the White Sox
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Speaker 3: beat the Tigers at their own game a little bit,
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Speaker 3: And I think aj Hinch and Scott Harris should be
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Speaker 3: a little bit jealous of some of the work Will
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Speaker 3: Vinable and Chris Getz have done this year. I mean,
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Speaker 3: the White Socks have done some small things and some
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Speaker 3: big things like the Murrcami signing, but small things like
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Speaker 3: Tristan Peters are bringing in Jordan Hicks or squeezing a
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Speaker 3: little bit more than you would expect out of Davis
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Speaker 3: Martin and Sean Burke. Like they have optimized some guys.
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Speaker 3: They've built a well rounded roster. They do the pinch
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Speaker 3: hit thing, they play an aggressive style, they put pressure
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Speaker 3: on you. They've found bullpen arms to make it difficult
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Speaker 3: to want you to beat them over the course of
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Speaker 3: nine innings. A lot of really subtle things that the
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Speaker 3: White Sox have done really really well, and we keep
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Speaker 3: asking is it gonna hold up? All, Yeah, it's gonna
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Speaker 3: hold up, and they've done some mid season adjustments to
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Speaker 3: help ensure it holds up. You certainly have to tip
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Speaker 3: the cap, I think is the way they've constructed and
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Speaker 3: fortified their team over the course of the year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I think there was some Again this
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Speaker 1: is not me making excuses, just being from a pure
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Speaker 1: observational standpoint, there was some batted ball luck that didn't
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Speaker 1: you know, form the tiger Tiger's way. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: just gotta look at you know, perfect example Sunday, Ben
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Speaker 1: Maljerry smokes a ball one hundred and seven, rapped the
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Speaker 1: middle right into the the bread basket of the pitchers
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Speaker 1: and you know, thankfully he's okay and all that, Zuffy
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Speaker 1: wasn't injured. But like McGonagall put a charge into a
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Speaker 1: ball Sunday, I I mean, I felt like there was
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Speaker 1: a consistent line drive right at fielder U motif with
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Speaker 1: this series. And that's part and that's part of baseball,
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Speaker 1: and that's part of positioning, and that's part of you know,
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Speaker 1: pitching and you know all that stuff. So that's not
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Speaker 1: anything to take away from the White Sox. But I
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Speaker 1: did feel like they just they created more advantageous situations
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Speaker 1: for themselves than the Tigers. I never felt like the
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Speaker 1: Tigers were ever either adjacent to or certainly definitely like
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Speaker 1: on their heels this entire series, and and so like it.
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Speaker 1: It's these kinds of like situations that you're just not
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Speaker 1: going to be a playoff team if you're not able
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Speaker 1: to bounce back from these in a in a more
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Speaker 1: efficient fashion, like even when you make a late charge,
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Speaker 1: even when you you know, get a lead like you
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Speaker 1: did on Sunday, there there was just not a ramp
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Speaker 1: up of constantly trying to put pressure score runs.
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Speaker 2: You know, like you know, get get up like too.
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Speaker 1: Many walks, like like all these things, all the small
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Speaker 1: stuff just added up so much against the Tigers, and
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Speaker 1: you know, their own doing.
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Speaker 3: Okay, and then added up over the course of three days, Kieran,
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Speaker 3: because you've got three relatively shorter starts. You know, Tyler
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Speaker 3: Holton went out in the sixth and it looked to
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Speaker 3: me like he just he just didn't really have it.
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Speaker 3: Holten's been really good recently. He just didn't he wasn't
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Speaker 3: on his a game, right, And what happens You're you're
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Speaker 3: facing the top of their order, two lefties. You kind
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Speaker 3: of gotta go with the lefty pitcher. I saw you
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Speaker 3: j Hinch getting some grief on X like he didn't
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Speaker 3: have another option because you threw in Manuel Dejesu's for
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Speaker 3: forty four pitches on Friday, and then you threw Drew
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Speaker 3: Summers twenty seven pitches on Saturday. Summers was excellent, and
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Speaker 3: you asked him to get three ups and you just
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Speaker 3: asked a little too much of them because you don't
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Speaker 3: really have anywhere else to turn, and they and they
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Speaker 3: finally got to run off them. And then so Sunday,
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Speaker 3: both of those guys are probably down. You had to
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Speaker 3: go to Holton even though he didn't look like he
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Speaker 3: was on his A game, And what happens walk middle
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Speaker 3: middle to Murakami at ninety one? What do you think
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Speaker 3: is gonna happen there? Homer? But that was all the
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Speaker 3: consequence of a poor effort from Jackson job and an
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Speaker 3: uncharacteristic off outing for Troy Melton and then being in
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Speaker 3: a spot rotation wise, j Anderson was okay, but he's
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Speaker 3: not He's you know, there's the most pitches he's thrown
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Speaker 3: all season. He went five innings. So you were a
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Speaker 3: little bit beat down in your bullpen. You didn't get
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Speaker 3: good performances from your starters. You end up in the finale.
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Speaker 3: You would love to squeeze one game. You got a
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Speaker 3: reliever that you just have to run out there, and
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Speaker 3: you don't have the righty who's platoon neutral and a
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Speaker 3: power arm and like you had a couple of years
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Speaker 3: ago in will Vest, Like these are the things that
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Speaker 3: add up and contribute to you losing a series.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, contribute to you, you know, like I said, getting
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Speaker 1: your lunch money stolen at home in a highly critical
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Speaker 1: weekend and a highly critical homestand that you only end
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Speaker 1: up two and four out of which you know, from
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Speaker 1: a macro perspective, predisappointing given the hype that we gave
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Speaker 1: and then what you did against Cleveland. So all right,
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Speaker 1: we are going to take a quick break and then
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Speaker 1: All right, coming back here. You know you guys watched
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Speaker 1: the game on TV today. You saw that stat that
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Speaker 1: the Detroit Sports Net put on there. Five players this
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Speaker 1: year Cody for the Tigers have reached base on their
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Speaker 1: first plate appearance, first time. Five rookies have done that
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Speaker 1: for the team since nineteen sixty three. And you kind
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Speaker 1: of go through the weekend and the lineups and you're like,
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Speaker 1: this is pretty rookie heavy, you know, it kind of
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Speaker 1: smacks you in the face a little bit. So we
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Speaker 1: had the great moment with Brent Callahan, which we'll we'll
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Speaker 1: get to. But Ben Maljerry has two home runs on Friday,
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Speaker 1: Valencia has a home run on Saturday, also had a
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Speaker 1: ribby on Friday. Like I said, the triple today and
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Speaker 1: then Mexico even had an RBI, and so like there's
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Speaker 1: your youth kind of influx of talent and production if
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Speaker 1: you would. The problem is Dylan Dingler. Now he did
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Speaker 1: have the RBI doubled there at the end. Maybe that
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Speaker 1: will get him going, but he had one hit this
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Speaker 1: entire weekend. Kevin McGonagall had one hit this weekend, Hobby
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Speaker 1: was hitless, Torque had one hit. And so the thing
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Speaker 1: is like the youth thing and the energy stuff can
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Speaker 1: provide a spark. We've seen that The thing is, the
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Speaker 1: spark is just a spark if it doesn't have any
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Speaker 1: fuel after And I know mcgonagle's a rookie, but I
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Speaker 1: just don't think of him as a rookie anymore. So
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Speaker 1: I purposely separated these guys so just you know, just
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Speaker 1: for the record. But so that's the problem is that
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Speaker 1: you have these like guys having these amazing moments, but
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Speaker 1: other than that, it's a lot of wanting.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess shout out gliber Torrez, who we had
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Speaker 3: expressed some major concern about in the end, have like
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Speaker 3: seven hits this series. So that was actually very good
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Speaker 3: to see. But the loss of Riley Green hurts. Having
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Speaker 3: Dingler slumping hurts. It's great that you're getting the contributions
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Speaker 3: you are, the contributions, I would say, are somewhat unexpected
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Speaker 3: Atwardo Valencia being the best hitter on planet Earth. Callahan,
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Speaker 3: who looked looked nervous out of his mind in the
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Speaker 3: clubhouse before the game, man this this foor kid. He
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Speaker 3: I was like, oh my gosh, is he gonna be
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Speaker 3: able to handle it? Gets up there on'ce he do
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Speaker 3: triple pretty cool moment. Callahan one of those guys who
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Speaker 3: you know, thirteenth round pick out of Saint Joe's had
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Speaker 3: to work really hard to put himself on the map.
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Speaker 3: Just tore it up in Double A this year, even
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Speaker 3: over Triple A. You know, two sixty nine average EIGHTHO
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Speaker 3: eight ops. But the timing of him getting the call
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Speaker 3: was somewhat I don't want to say random. They needed
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Speaker 3: a left handed hitter, they're about to face a bunch
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Speaker 3: of righties, but he was six for his last forty
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Speaker 3: in Triple A. He only has one homer since going
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Speaker 3: to Triple A, so it was kind of like, let's
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Speaker 3: roll the dice on a lefty bat. Clearly the organization,
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Speaker 3: I just don't think, had a lot of faith and
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Speaker 3: Trey Cruz as a hitter, so they finally made the
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Speaker 3: decision to dfa him. We get Callahan, who's had a
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Speaker 3: nice year. Definitely still has some work to do, but
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Speaker 3: pretty athletic, decent defender, can run the bases, and he's
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Speaker 3: shown their pop in his bat. I don't like the
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Speaker 3: Carry Carpenter comparison it's on because I don't think he
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Speaker 3: has Carpenter level power, but he's probably better defender than Carpenter.
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Speaker 3: So anyway, it was nice to see him do something
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Speaker 3: cool in his debut, and yeah, you're right, those contributions
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Speaker 3: are great. You would like to see and the Tigers
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Speaker 3: need to see contributions from elsewhere Kieren, which leads me
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Speaker 3: to that's why they've played Dylan Dingler about as much
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Speaker 3: as they can possibly play him. That's why they played
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Speaker 3: Riley Green one hundred and seventeen times in one hundred
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Speaker 3: and nineteen games. They just try to get everything they
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Speaker 3: can out of those guys. And that out. Now, where
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Speaker 3: are we, well, Riley Green's on the il and Dingler
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Speaker 3: is he was one for thirty six, he was over
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Speaker 3: twenty eight before he finally hit that double in Sunday's game.
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Speaker 1: So the question becomes, then, is this Dingler stretch a
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Speaker 1: slump or is this.
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Speaker 2: Burnout?
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Speaker 1: Because one you can kind of live with as just
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Speaker 1: a kind of like, you know, part of one hundred
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Speaker 1: and sixty two. The other one actually has like Graver
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Speaker 1: concerns in the short and the long term, because that
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Speaker 1: mean that means that you gotta, like, you gotta develop
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Speaker 1: better defensive options, you gotta develop better better bats up
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Speaker 1: and down the order in order to get this guy
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Speaker 1: some days off here in the future. So I don't like,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't take like a heating a hitting genius to
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Speaker 1: come up with a pretty simple like opinion as he
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Speaker 1: just looks off.
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Speaker 2: He looks off.
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Speaker 1: I think Bobby Scale said on TV today, like he's
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Speaker 1: behind on the fastball and ahead of the breaking ball,
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Speaker 1: and you know about the worst place you can be
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Speaker 1: as a hitter. Now, he did hit a two seemer
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Speaker 1: for that double. Again, maybe that will kind of break
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Speaker 1: him out of this slump. It almost seemed like he
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Speaker 1: was reluctant to do the whole punching down celebration because
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Speaker 1: he almost felt guilty that he just hadn't had a
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Speaker 1: hit or an extra base hit in a long time,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: So again, that was good to see.
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Speaker 1: But if it's burnout, then we don't really have to
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Speaker 1: like spend a whole lot of time speculating about, you know,
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Speaker 1: could this team make the playoffs, Because if Dingle was
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Speaker 1: burnt out, this team's not going to the playoffs, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. So they gotta get they gotta
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Speaker 1: they gotta get that figured out quick.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, Like I'm not sure there is
18:32
Speaker 3: a way to know. The Tigers probably have more data
18:34
Speaker 3: in terms of his health and how he's moving to
18:37
Speaker 3: know if something's actually like physically off, just looking at it.
18:41
Speaker 3: Giving the point where at in the season, giving the
18:43
Speaker 3: amount Dinglers played, I tend to think the guy needs
18:45
Speaker 3: a day or two off, you know, and he's going
18:47
Speaker 3: to get one sometimes in sometime in this Pirate series. Personally,
18:52
Speaker 3: I think maybe it's overdue. You see a guy scuffling
18:55
Speaker 3: like that. You see even a couple of defensive mistakes
18:58
Speaker 3: recently that just seem young character. You've asked so much
19:01
Speaker 3: of them, Like, I just get this guy off the
19:04
Speaker 3: lineup and maybe maybe that fixes something. Maybe it doesn't,
19:08
Speaker 3: but that that's just where my mind goes. They're slumps,
19:11
Speaker 3: They're gonna happen. It feels it's become a little more
19:15
Speaker 3: pronounced than that. To me. It's not like one day
19:19
Speaker 3: off is automatically gonna fix everything. But I think maybe
19:23
Speaker 3: it's a good place to start.
19:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And you know, it's it's a damn shame
19:30
Speaker 1: that we keep having this conversation about the need to
19:32
Speaker 1: have these guys in the lineup, you know, on a
19:35
Speaker 1: basically everyday basis, because of the sense of urgency that
19:39
Speaker 1: it just you know, if you want to just take
19:41
Speaker 1: the whole second half of the twenty five season, or hell,
19:44
Speaker 1: the you know, the last month and half of the
19:46
Speaker 1: twenty four season, the whole second half of the twenty
19:48
Speaker 1: five season, and then what we've experienced here in twenty
19:51
Speaker 1: twenty six.
19:52
Speaker 2: That part I could say is.
19:53
Speaker 1: Getting a little old for your boy over here is
19:56
Speaker 1: just like, man, if you could just give yourself some
20:00
Speaker 1: sort of cush what did that solve a lot of angst?
20:05
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's solved problems, but it would
20:07
Speaker 1: solve a lot of angst. And so, uh, yeah, Dingler
20:10
Speaker 1: obviously deserving a day off. And then speaking of Riley Green, Uh,
20:14
Speaker 1: you had said it could happen. I think now we
20:17
Speaker 1: can say it has happened. Riley Green is rehabbing in
20:21
Speaker 1: in Lakeland. So uh, you know, hamstrings are hamstrings. But
20:27
Speaker 1: you gotta hope that that thing kind of gets right
20:29
Speaker 1: as quick as possible here, because this weekend did not
20:32
Speaker 1: do did not do you any literally was the opposite
20:36
Speaker 1: of service, a disservice in terms of, like, you know,
20:39
Speaker 1: you gotta have him back here.
20:41
Speaker 2: So anybody that.
20:43
Speaker 1: Maybe thought there was gonna be some addition by subtraction here,
20:46
Speaker 1: I think we can kind of we can kind of
20:47
Speaker 1: kill that real quick.
20:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, A J. Hinch said, Lakeland is
20:52
Speaker 3: just a better facility for whatever Riley needs in like
20:55
Speaker 3: the first seven days of his rehab. So I'm not
20:58
Speaker 3: sure if this means anything for is rehab timeline or
21:01
Speaker 3: if it doesn't, We're just gonna have to stay tuned.
21:04
Speaker 3: There sounds like Kerry Carpenter might also be headed to Lakeland.
21:07
Speaker 3: I do think he started doing some running. But you know,
21:11
Speaker 3: neither of these guys are coming back in the next
21:14
Speaker 3: you know, for the Pirates series or probably not the
21:16
Speaker 3: Royal series either. It's it's just gonna be a little
21:18
Speaker 3: bit longer. But you're right, you hope, especially with Riley,
21:21
Speaker 3: that this hamstring doesn't become one of those hamstrings that becomes,
21:25
Speaker 3: you know, not just more than fifteen days, but a month,
21:27
Speaker 3: six weeks, whatever. I don't think there's any way to
21:31
Speaker 3: know for sure until you go through the rehab and
21:33
Speaker 3: you see out response.
21:37
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.
21:39
Speaker 3: All right.
21:39
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Speaker 3: excited to see Paul Skins or not. He hasn't been
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23:01
Speaker 3: I don't I guess I'm so interested to see what
23:03
Speaker 3: will happen in this start.
23:05
Speaker 1: Seems like a perfect formula for a bounce back against
23:08
Speaker 1: the Tigers. Let me let me tell you that's that's
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Speaker 1: that's Wednesday. That's Jackson Joe versus Paul Skins. That's that
23:14
Speaker 1: That part is actually pretty cool. So uh looking looking
23:16
Speaker 1: forward to watching that and uh, yeah, as much as
23:22
Speaker 1: we can kind of and we have gotten into some
23:24
Speaker 1: of the you know, quote unquote negative aspects of this weekend, Cody,
23:28
Speaker 1: there were two things that were like, honestly really cool.
23:31
Speaker 1: One of them was Brent Callahan having you know, his
23:34
Speaker 1: major league debut and a triple on uh in his
23:37
Speaker 1: first at bad And uh, just like the emotions. I'm
23:40
Speaker 1: not gonna lie like, I got goosebumps watching his family
23:42
Speaker 1: and friends like celebrating all that stuff. But a really
23:45
Speaker 1: cool moment never gets old to see stuff like that,
23:48
Speaker 1: especially somebody who was a later round pick. And then
23:52
Speaker 1: and then Also, Jake Rogers makes his return to Camerica
23:55
Speaker 1: Park gets himself a standing innovation. Garth Brooks is playing
24:00
Speaker 1: on the speakers and you know, like, did that get
24:03
Speaker 1: me in my feels a little bit too?
24:05
Speaker 2: Yeah?
24:06
Speaker 1: I did, Yeah I did? Uh so yeah. So one
24:10
Speaker 1: of the more interesting human interest pieces going around here,
24:16
Speaker 1: Cody Jake Rodgers four teams and what twenty one days.
24:19
Speaker 1: That's like a major league record or.
24:21
Speaker 3: Something like this has never happened before. According to Baseball Reference,
24:26
Speaker 3: only other guy who has done well. The shortest time
24:30
Speaker 3: frame in which someone played in a game for four
24:32
Speaker 3: different major league teams happened back in nineteen oh four,
24:36
Speaker 3: Frank Heulesman, and it took him forty two days to
24:40
Speaker 3: achieve or whatever you want to call this feat. So
24:45
Speaker 3: Jake did in half the time. So he is not
24:48
Speaker 3: only getting bounced around, he's getting bounced around at a
24:51
Speaker 3: historic rate. We'll see that Kyle Teal is going to
24:55
Speaker 3: be coming off the il. Jake might not even be
24:57
Speaker 3: guaranteed the rest of the season with the White Socks.
25:00
Speaker 3: I'm not sure he's going through it. We kind of said,
25:03
Speaker 3: you know, he's probably gonna enter the journeyman stage of
25:06
Speaker 3: his career. Well, he's gotten the journeyman stage of his
25:10
Speaker 3: career in a in a twenty one day span, like,
25:14
Speaker 3: and it's only going to continue from here. Credit to Jake,
25:16
Speaker 3: very few people could probably handle it like him. So
25:19
Speaker 3: I'm in the visiting clubhouse kind of being, Oh, this
25:22
Speaker 3: guy's just gonna look exhausted, right, No, he's Jake. He's
25:25
Speaker 3: kind of got a pep in his step, he's got
25:27
Speaker 3: a coffee in his hand. He seemed ready to go.
25:29
Speaker 3: He goes out and catches that day, despite not knowing
25:32
Speaker 3: anything about this pitching staff, learning as much as he
25:35
Speaker 3: can on the fly. Doesn't have his catcher's gear. He
25:39
Speaker 3: never had catcher's gear with the Orioles. He was using
25:43
Speaker 3: Chadwick trumps. His gear got to Boston right about the
25:46
Speaker 3: time he got let go there, So like he's I
25:49
Speaker 3: don't know whose gear he used on Saturday. We're joking
25:52
Speaker 3: he might have to use his old tiger's gear. Seemed
25:54
Speaker 3: like he found some black gear going through a lot.
25:57
Speaker 3: Of course, it's Jake who loves to play a Mac grid,
26:00
Speaker 3: and of course he's now just an awesome, immaculate grid
26:04
Speaker 3: answer for a lot more scenarios and obviously a corresponse
26:08
Speaker 3: from the America Park crowd to give him that standing ovation.
26:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty crazy.
26:13
Speaker 1: You could tell he was taking some coaching about what
26:16
Speaker 1: pitches to call, uh, you know which you know again,
26:20
Speaker 1: he just he just got there, you know what I mean.
26:22
Speaker 1: And then of course he he's the central figure and
26:24
Speaker 1: one of the more unique plays a one five three
26:28
Speaker 1: double play one four one five four literally had it
26:32
Speaker 1: written down. I just instinctively said, three one five four
26:36
Speaker 1: double play. Uh, one of the more unique plays you'll
26:41
Speaker 1: ever play. Yes, and uh and Lee Antur is all around, uh,
26:47
Speaker 1: all around great play and so uh, you know it
26:50
Speaker 1: was it was good to see him. It was, you know,
26:52
Speaker 1: like I said, a little bit like he just doesn't
26:54
Speaker 1: feel right, but you know, it was good to see him.
26:56
Speaker 2: Good to see he's still a wanted man in Major
26:58
Speaker 2: League bas well.
26:59
Speaker 3: One of those things going around the internet was that
27:01
Speaker 3: the White Sox hit Jackson job because Jake Rogers said
27:04
Speaker 3: somehow attuned to them as to what was coming. As
27:08
Speaker 3: I understand it, Jake Rogers was not even in the
27:11
Speaker 3: building Friday night, so I don't think that's the case.
27:14
Speaker 3: It was a really weird Joe outing right where it
27:18
Speaker 3: was an extension of things. We've kind of always seen
27:20
Speaker 3: him either struggle or just not execute quite to the
27:24
Speaker 3: level you would want. The hittable fastball, the nasty breaking
27:28
Speaker 3: balls that just don't seem to generate swings or chases
27:31
Speaker 3: or swings and misses. All that happened, and yet the
27:35
Speaker 3: rate at which they were just annihilating his fastball made
27:39
Speaker 3: me think maybe they had something I don't know. And
27:43
Speaker 3: also the simplest answer is still just the execution. Like
27:45
Speaker 3: the amount of pitches he was throwing over the middle,
27:48
Speaker 3: fastballs down the middle, it's not a good recipe for success.
27:51
Speaker 3: So maybe it was a combination of things going against them,
27:54
Speaker 3: although Jake Rodgers had nothing to do with it, or
27:57
Speaker 3: maybe it was just as simple as he threw too
27:58
Speaker 3: many pitches down the midd Jackson Job's really talented picture,
28:03
Speaker 3: but obviously still a lot of work to do with
28:06
Speaker 3: his development. And we saw it right. We saw this
28:10
Speaker 3: with Scooble, we saw Casey maz We've seen other guys
28:12
Speaker 3: go through this. Jackson Job has all the stuff in
28:15
Speaker 3: the world, but sometimes it just takes a little bit
28:17
Speaker 3: more to get everything fun touned.
28:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I like, he's basically a rookie, right,
28:26
Speaker 1: so like, you know, sometimes you gotta like kind of
28:29
Speaker 1: keep that in mind a little bit in terms of
28:32
Speaker 1: just like his execution or lack thereof. And I did
28:36
Speaker 1: actually think at the beginning of that game, I was like, Okay,
28:38
Speaker 1: I kind of see like he's mixing pitches well, like,
28:42
Speaker 1: but all of a sudden, it just felt like everything
28:45
Speaker 1: was middle. And look, you can throw it ninety nine,
28:48
Speaker 1: you can throw it one on one, but if it's
28:50
Speaker 1: straight and it's down the middle, major league hitters, especially
28:53
Speaker 1: power hitters, are gonna find a way to do damage
28:56
Speaker 1: on it. And that's what happened. And then again, like
29:00
Speaker 1: Melton not particularly sharp on Saturday, it'd be as much
29:05
Speaker 1: as I you know, love watching him pitch and you know,
29:07
Speaker 1: believe in his potential. Uh, if we could just kind
29:10
Speaker 1: of get rid of the whole like first ending narrative
29:13
Speaker 1: with him, yeah.
29:14
Speaker 2: That would be a lot.
29:15
Speaker 1: That would be like maybe the next step until unlocking more,
29:18
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
29:19
Speaker 3: So, yeah, melt Melton's really good. I'm not worried about him.
29:23
Speaker 3: He just finally had an outing where he wasn't at
29:25
Speaker 3: his sharpest. You can go more into the numbers. He
29:27
Speaker 3: still does have to start striking guys out a little more.
29:30
Speaker 3: At some point, you're not going to carry a one
29:32
Speaker 3: seven era with seven case per nine unless you're locating
29:37
Speaker 3: at the level of Greg Maddox. And I'm not sure
29:40
Speaker 3: it's possible to pitch like Greg Maddox in the era
29:42
Speaker 3: of the abs. You're not getting that extra ball or
29:44
Speaker 3: two off the plate. So and Troy has this stuff
29:47
Speaker 3: to do it another guy. We forget how young he is,
29:51
Speaker 3: We forget how little he's actually pitched. Melton has had
29:54
Speaker 3: an instant level of success that quite frankly job Padden's.
29:57
Speaker 3: But Melton is very much still kind of earning and
30:00
Speaker 3: he finally ran into an outing where he just didn't
30:02
Speaker 3: quite have his a game.
30:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a big combination of bad timing this
30:08
Speaker 1: weekend Hawk Like.
30:10
Speaker 3: We could talk about the Bullvan if you want. I
30:12
Speaker 3: don't know.
30:12
Speaker 1: I mean, there was some good stuff like again Summers
30:16
Speaker 1: like probably asked him to do a little bit too much.
30:17
Speaker 1: But three ups into a lot Finn again on Saturday.
30:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got better.
30:22
Speaker 3: That's the one to keep an eye on and keep
30:23
Speaker 3: saying it.
30:24
Speaker 2: Yeah.
30:25
Speaker 1: Five, well you get five outs, fourteen, fourteen pitches, ten
30:29
Speaker 1: for strikes so that you know that was good and
30:32
Speaker 1: you know and then are we gonna see an early
30:37
Speaker 1: return on the school trade? I think is something else
30:40
Speaker 1: that's kind of purkly a little.
30:41
Speaker 3: Bit with Ryan. It's becoming I think like maybe the
30:45
Speaker 3: biggest storyline to really watch is what's gonna happen with
30:48
Speaker 3: the River Ryan. Everyone is kind of raving about him.
30:50
Speaker 3: Aj Hinch was raving about the video he saw River
30:54
Speaker 3: Ryan's bullpen. A guy again, this is the guy who
30:56
Speaker 3: throws one hundred and has like three plus breaking balls.
31:00
Speaker 3: He just has never been healthy. Obviously, it's a little
31:03
Speaker 3: bit of a risk trading for a guy like that,
31:05
Speaker 3: but the upside is massive. It's a matter of when
31:11
Speaker 3: they can get him healthy, when they can get into
31:12
Speaker 3: the big leagues. He's thrown bullpens, he's not yet throwing lives,
31:16
Speaker 3: but that seems to be the next step. You know,
31:19
Speaker 3: how quick are they going to send him to Triple A?
31:21
Speaker 3: But they send him straight to the big leagues. I
31:23
Speaker 3: don't know the idea that he's going to be here
31:25
Speaker 3: by the end of the month. I'm not sure that's
31:27
Speaker 3: gonna happen if he's not throwing lives yet. But if
31:30
Speaker 3: you want any hope for this bullpen, we had said
31:32
Speaker 3: a while ago, like you're not really getting that much help.
31:35
Speaker 3: You might just have to cross your fingers and hope
31:36
Speaker 3: for some good batted balllock here. River Ryan's the name
31:40
Speaker 3: to keep an eye on. And again, I think long
31:42
Speaker 3: term they would like this guy to be a starter,
31:44
Speaker 3: but seems to me they're looking at him potentially to
31:47
Speaker 3: contribute to this bullpen before the end of the year.
31:50
Speaker 3: Even Andrew Sears and Toledo a guy I don't think
31:53
Speaker 3: they would hate to pitch him in the major leagues
31:55
Speaker 3: this year. Another guy who you'd like to be a
31:57
Speaker 3: starter long term. I'm not sure it's as imminent as Ryan,
32:01
Speaker 3: but maybe a name to circle if you're thinking who
32:03
Speaker 3: else could contribute here at some point. Unfortunately, Brent Herder's
32:07
Speaker 3: latest reaps start to not go well at all, and
32:10
Speaker 3: his stuff was down, so he's gonna need a little
32:13
Speaker 3: more time. So but the exception of River Ryan, like
32:17
Speaker 3: that's kind of what you're hoping is like your your
32:19
Speaker 3: magic bullet, because otherwise I'm tired of hearing like, oh well,
32:24
Speaker 3: the bullpen ranks sixth and ra it does. It's kind
32:28
Speaker 3: of a miracle they rank sixth in RA to feel
32:30
Speaker 3: that way, they rank eighteenth and strikeout right have you
32:34
Speaker 3: ever heard that before? They don't miss enough bats. They
32:36
Speaker 3: rank fourteenth in walk right middle of the pack, but
32:39
Speaker 3: they walk too many guys eighteenth and average velocity okay,
32:45
Speaker 3: v low's not everything well nineteenth and stuff plus they
32:48
Speaker 3: just don't have that good as stuff again twenty ninth
32:51
Speaker 3: and blown saves twenty seventh and win per probability added
32:55
Speaker 3: twenty ninth and clutch Even their FIP is fifteenth, it's
32:59
Speaker 3: significantly lower than their e r A. Like, I don't
33:02
Speaker 3: know how the e RA ranks six the bullpen. It's
33:05
Speaker 3: it's beating a dead horse. But it's just not very good.
33:07
Speaker 3: And you just don't have enough guys that you actually
33:09
Speaker 3: have confidence. Gotta hope Summers continues to ticks up. He's
33:13
Speaker 3: doing it. He's doing it, Finnigan. Gotta hope there's a
33:15
Speaker 3: little more where that came from. And just maybe, just
33:18
Speaker 3: maybe you could get a real power guy in River
33:21
Speaker 3: Ryan if his progression goes.
33:23
Speaker 1: Well again, Like, I mean, how how many endings did
33:28
Speaker 1: Rainy pitch this uh this weekend?
33:30
Speaker 2: Like it like, there's just not.
33:32
Speaker 3: That pretty good there's not that.
33:36
Speaker 1: Many places the turn and that, and so like that's
33:39
Speaker 1: why the right the Ryan thing feels like, you know,
33:42
Speaker 1: could this, like you said, be the magic bullet, you know,
33:44
Speaker 1: some sort of X factor deal that like the other
33:49
Speaker 1: teams in this playoff race are not gonna be able
33:51
Speaker 1: to call on somebody with the potential of a River
33:54
Speaker 1: Ryan an expert on all their farm systems, but I
33:56
Speaker 1: imagine some of his talent upside, Like not many guys
34:00
Speaker 1: just have that available in the chamber or whatever.
34:03
Speaker 2: And so like.
34:06
Speaker 1: If you if you're looking for hope, there's your little
34:08
Speaker 1: glimpses of hope. And I'm looking at the standings right now.
34:11
Speaker 1: So obviously Houston is playing Seattle as we record this,
34:14
Speaker 1: Tigers are a half game back of the Rangers, a
34:17
Speaker 1: full game back of the Baltimore Orioles, who as of
34:19
Speaker 1: right now hold the last wild card spot. Cleveland and
34:25
Speaker 1: and Toronto are also right there with the Tigers in
34:28
Speaker 1: Minnesota as well. Sot of a lot of teams bunched
34:32
Speaker 1: up in there, and we got about six weeks to
34:34
Speaker 1: figure out who's going to be a last man standing
34:36
Speaker 1: and it might just be one of those last man
34:39
Speaker 1: standing type deals.
34:40
Speaker 2: Because all these teams, as we.
34:42
Speaker 1: Know, are like flawed and you know, and at best inconsistent,
34:48
Speaker 1: and so it might just be who can, ever, who
34:50
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34:52
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