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ITB: How Quickly Can Zach Ertz Make An Impact For Eagles Offense? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds.
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  Speaker 2: Is back.
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: What's going on? It is Jeff Mosher. It is Adam Kaplan.
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  Speaker 1: We're in the middle of the week leading up to
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles week three matchup against the Chicago Bears. That's
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  Speaker 1: on Monday night. And so we've got some signings to
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: talk about for the Eagles as they try to improve
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit their personnel where they are thin, Adam.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, the Bears are all banged up. And
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  Speaker 1: we're also going to get a little bit about the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles on first down in their run game. just really
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: been atrocious through two weeks. But really interesting, Adam, the
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  Speaker 1: moves that the Eagles are starting to make here, big
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: one being Zach Ertz to the practice squad as they
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: find out Dallas Goddard's going to be sidelined several weeks
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  Speaker 1: because of a knee sprain.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember us.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: Saying that they're living dangerously at tight end because if
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard.
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  Speaker 2: Gets hurt, they're screwed? Yeah, and here we are. I
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: don't want to jinx anyone, but we talked about it
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  Speaker 2: in August a lot. To the point I was like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, you know, we better stop talking about this.
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  Speaker 2: It's enough already. And then it happens. Yeah, look, Zach
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  Speaker 2: is 35 years old, coming off his second ACL reconstruction
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  Speaker 2: in four years. I know he had been working out.
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  Speaker 2: He's feeling great. Everything I've heard sounds like he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be able to be available relatively soon. Not ruling
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  Speaker 2: out Monday night. Can't play a lot of snaps coming up.
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  Speaker 2: And you can't ask him to do that. That would
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  Speaker 2: not be smart. But they need someone like they've got.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, they just have block– they have two
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  Speaker 2: wide tight ends. Actually, they have three if you count
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  Speaker 2: Josiah DeGuara, who's the– as we talked about last week,
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  Speaker 2: who's just a wide. If you think Johnny Mung can't move,
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  Speaker 2: this guy can move less. So, I mean, then you've
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  Speaker 2: got Zach, who's a supreme pass catcher, but he's not
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  Speaker 2: going to get past seven or eight yards. But you
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  Speaker 2: know what? He gets open. Right. He knows how to
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  Speaker 2: get open. Talking to people who were with him with Washington,
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  Speaker 2: incredible leader. They loved having him. But, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: made a decision to go get Chigokonko. So that kind
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  Speaker 2: of eliminated Zach because they already had two other tight ends.
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  Speaker 2: So they're, look, they need Zach. Like as soon as
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  Speaker 2: he can play, if it's 20 snaps, fine. You need
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  Speaker 2: someone who could play tight end, who could catch the football.
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  Speaker 2: That's where they're at. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So it's almost a different issue though. They need Zach
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  Speaker 1: because they need, a body at that position who can play,
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  Speaker 1: who knows the, I mean, it's perfect. He'll help the
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  Speaker 1: offense in that regard, especially without Dallas Goddard, because they
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  Speaker 1: don't have any pass catching tight ends. So for the
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  Speaker 1: long haul, especially for as long as Goddard's going to
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  Speaker 1: be out, that's a good thing. Even if we don't,
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  Speaker 1: we can't expect Zachary, like you just said, 35 years old,
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  Speaker 1: two knee surgeries, no OTA, no training camp, what couple
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: of days of ramp up. I mean, Mike, I'm almost
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  Speaker 1: surprised if he does play at all Monday, no matter
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  Speaker 1: what shape he's in, because that's almost dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: But we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: But for the short term, it doesn't make their run game,
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  Speaker 1: their first down offense any better. Because even if they
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: wanted to pass the ball a little bit more on
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  Speaker 1: first down, again, he's not going to be out there
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  Speaker 1: playing 65, 75% of the snaps to help in that regard.
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  Speaker 1: They have lived more heavily in 11 personnel through two
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  Speaker 1: weeks than we thought because of this situation. And they
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  Speaker 1: will have to continue to do so until things get
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  Speaker 1: ironed out. So it's a good, sensible signing. And clearly
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  Speaker 1: this was in the works even before Goddard got hurt
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  Speaker 1: because Goddard getting hurt doesn't help them.
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  Speaker 2: Zach Hurts doesn't help them Monday night. Honestly, yeah, there
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  Speaker 2: was no doubt Hurts was going to be an eagle.
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  Speaker 2: I just didn't think it would be this soon. But
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  Speaker 2: the Goddard situation, we talked about this in August. They
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  Speaker 2: are in dire straits if Goddard got hurt in terms
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  Speaker 2: of a pass catch we tied in. Now, something we
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  Speaker 2: have not talked about, I thought about it. You mentioned
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  Speaker 2: 11 personnel. I'm going to take this a step further.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't see a lot of 10 personnel, which
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  Speaker 2: is four receivers, one back, no tight end in training camp.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what? Look, they don't have A.J. Brown. Fine.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what? Darius Cooper could play. He's been
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  Speaker 2: a great story. He's more or less their fourth receiver.
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  Speaker 2: Lemon is their slot receiver. He's got to play. First-round pick,
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  Speaker 2: he's healthy. He's a little bit behind mentally because he
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  Speaker 2: missed a lot of time. But he knows how to play.
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  Speaker 2: He'll get better. Hollywood Brown can run, okay? They got
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  Speaker 2: to get this guy in the game. They're paying him
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  Speaker 2: $ 5 million to catch the football downfield. They got to
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  Speaker 2: do that. And Elijah Moore they have. So why the
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  Speaker 2: hell can they not play 10 personnel? I'm not saying, like,
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  Speaker 2: let's put it this way. When Sean McVay shocked the world,
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  Speaker 2: because he did it, because when he played 13 personnel,
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  Speaker 2: they had no depth at receiver. Okay, none. He's like, okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: then we're going to have to go with more tight ends. Well,
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: they don't have much at tight end. They have just
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  Speaker 2: guys who can block, plus a 35-year-old guy coming off
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  Speaker 2: get another knee surgery, go 10 personnel. You can do this.
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  Speaker 2: So why not spread everybody out? Okay. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: you can run out of 10 personnel. There's no law
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  Speaker 2: that says you can't do that. I'm not saying playing
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  Speaker 2: a lot, but has it changed up? Play some 10 personnel.
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  Speaker 1: That's an option. I mean, yes, you leave yourself a
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  Speaker 1: little vulnerable with smaller people, but it certainly can be done.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Especially if you want to try to stretch the field
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more. I would also say, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be surprised if you saw more Darius Cooper because he's
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  Speaker 1: a bigger, stronger guy and they used him to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: last year before he got hurt. And then when he
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  Speaker 1: came back as a slot, you know, the old Johnny
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  Speaker 1: Wilson role, right. A dirty work slot receiver role who
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  Speaker 1: can block a little bit. So that can help you
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  Speaker 1: there because the reality is you can't live too much
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  Speaker 1: in 10, right. You can, you can add it, but
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  Speaker 1: you can't live in it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's a change up, but you can, if you want
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  Speaker 1: to run out of 11, you want a good blocker
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  Speaker 1: from the slot. And to me right now, that's not,
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  Speaker 1: but it could be Darius Cooper.
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  Speaker 2: But Greg Cosell did tell us that from what he
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  Speaker 2: had heard, Wicks is a terrific blocker from the Packers game. Now,
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  Speaker 2: we haven't really seen that yet. And my goodness, they
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  Speaker 2: need it badly because their run game is... I've learned
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  Speaker 2: my lesson with training camp. Be careful what you see.
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  Speaker 2: You could say, hey, we only go by what we see,
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  Speaker 2: what we know, what we hear, but I cannot believe
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  Speaker 2: how bad the run game is. I understand... They've got
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  Speaker 2: issues on the interior of the offensive line. They've got
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  Speaker 2: the big change with Dickerson hurt. Cam's coming off his
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  Speaker 2: injuries last year. He's healthy now. But they've got to
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  Speaker 2: run better. This is just ridiculous. I mean, when you
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  Speaker 2: get a lead, you've got to be able to put
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  Speaker 2: teams away. And that's another thing we haven't really talked about.
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  Speaker 2: Can they put teams away with a run game? I
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: don't know about that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't put teams away with a run
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  Speaker 1: game if, A, you're not taking any big leads, which
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  Speaker 1: they haven't done yet, and B, you can't even establish
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  Speaker 1: the run on first down the way they've been trying
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  Speaker 1: to do. You know, they had almost as many runs
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  Speaker 1: out of 12 personnel as they did 11 personnel against
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  Speaker 1: the Titans, but they played 12 personnel far fewer. So
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  Speaker 1: they were clearly trying with two tight ends. So what
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  Speaker 1: does that also tell you? Because I watched every single run.
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  Speaker 1: It tells me, and I saw it, Johnny Muntz is
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  Speaker 1: not doing a great job either. He's on the ground
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  Speaker 1: a lot, Adam. I mean, he's a good blocker for
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  Speaker 1: what he's asked to do. And I get it. The
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  Speaker 1: Titans defensive front was faster and more physical than week one.
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  Speaker 1: But he's leaving his feet, trying to lunge it. It
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  Speaker 1: almost seemed like as the game went on and the
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  Speaker 1: blocking really struggled, guys were trying to do things out
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  Speaker 1: of their order just to get their bodies on players.
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  Speaker 1: And that works against you. I've been a little disappointed
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  Speaker 1: with Munt blocking. I don't remember as much against the Commanders,
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  Speaker 1: but against the Titans, he was not very good.
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  Speaker 2: I would say this on what you just said about Munt.
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: There's a reason why the Jaguars cut him.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great reason.
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  Speaker 2: We have to understand that. The team system woke up
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  Speaker 2: the next morning and said, let's cut the guy. They
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  Speaker 2: have a reason for it. They didn't think he could
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  Speaker 2: help them anymore. That's true. He's a West Coast offensive blocker.
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  Speaker 2: He's a specialist. That's the only scheme he's played in
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  Speaker 2: his entire career. We're going to learn more about it.
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  Speaker 2: It's only two games. The passing game has been phenomenal.
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  Speaker 2: I am so blown away. by what the way it looks,
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  Speaker 2: I know the schedule is going to get harder. We'll get,
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  Speaker 2: we'll get in more to, before we get out of here,
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: we'll give you a couple of notes on the bear.
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  Speaker 2: Secondary is severely banged up. They got a lot of
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  Speaker 2: injury problems on defense. Yep. I'll tell you what, Dennis
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: Allen's a hell of a coach. He is a, he
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  Speaker 2: is a phenomenal coach. He's kind of like, like if
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  Speaker 2: you looked at Jesse Minter was with the charge, you're like,
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  Speaker 2: how the hell is he doing this? They're not very talented. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Jesse Mitchell leaves and it looks like crap. Yep. You know,
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: it's more than they have offensive line problems and charges, but, um, To.
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  Speaker 1: Your point real quick, if you want to find some
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  Speaker 1: of the NFL's best combination play callers, offense and defense,
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  Speaker 1: NFC North, between Ben Johnson and Dennis Allen, between O'Connell
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: and Brian Flores, who just completely emasculated the Bears right
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  Speaker 1: after that. Come on, it was raining. No, it was
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: raining and they were on their backup. But they were
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: losing before Caleb Williams got hurt. But I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 1: those guys, I mean, again, the Vikings got some of
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  Speaker 1: the worst quarterback play you ever saw last year and
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: they still went nine and eight. So there's some really
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: good play callers in that division.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then there's Detroit who's just completely fallen off.
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  Speaker 2: They got, yeah, the two starting safeties have been out
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  Speaker 2: to branch and Kirby Joseph and it's killed them.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, Maddox just got hurt too.
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  Speaker 2: Who's that?
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  Speaker 1: Maddox was playing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Poor guy. Great guy. It's a shame. But finishing this
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: off here in terms of the big outlook. So you,
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: you know, you saw the tape, you're talking about all 22. Yeah.
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: We'll get Greg on that. We'll make sure we look
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: at that after this game. We're going to focus more
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  Speaker 2: on the run game because we've blown up the pass
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  Speaker 2: game for two weeks.
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: After the game, after this game, when we do Inside
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  Speaker 2: the Tape next week, we'll focus more on the run
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  Speaker 2: game because this is... We'll see, obviously, how it does
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: against Chicago. But it's to the point now. We may
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: have just a success. It's just very average, if below average.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just over season now.
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  Speaker 1: So you're, you're walking me into the point I was
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: going to make. I watched, I didn't watch every single running.
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  Speaker 1: It's times I watched about 75%, the first, like, I
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: don't know, 15 to 18. And I took notes and
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: I found myself saying, Oh, you know, months on the ground,
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  Speaker 1: Goddard's on the ground. Obviously Juergens had some struggles. He
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't angle, you know, like when you're, combo blocking like
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: Juergens will combo block with Kendall right on a three
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: technique and then he's got to come off and take
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: the linebacker shooting the gap you know he used to
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: be so good at pivoting we would point that out
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: two years ago and taking that guy he looks a
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: little slower now that whether that's body decay or new
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: position I don't know I'm just just seeing what I
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: saw on tape obviously there were times Kendall really struggled
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: against Simmons it's gonna happen but like my point was
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  Speaker 1: And there were two Barkley runs when healthy where he
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: did the double foot tap as he's getting the ball
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: looking because it doesn't look perfectly clean, right? And when
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: you do that, you let the defense converge and a
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: couple of linemen got put on the ground because he waited.
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: So it's a total thing. It's not just one person.
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: But to your point, the biggest thing I think I noticed, Adam,
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  Speaker 1: having watching tape for years now is they just don't
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: move people off the ball like they used to. They
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: don't reset the line of scrimmage. Even 23, 22, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: 24 was the king of it. And obviously they had
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: huge linemen on the interior when they had Becton and
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: they had Dickerson. But even before they had Becton in
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  Speaker 1: 23 and 22, they could run the ball. They could
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: reset the line of scrimmage. I just don't see that
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  Speaker 1: happening right now.
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  Speaker 2: What I would tell us also with Barkley is understand
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  Speaker 2: something that he is not really played in a scheme
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: like this.
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: In a one cut, get go and go. You've got
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  Speaker 2: to see, you got to read it and you got
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  Speaker 2: to go.
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  Speaker 1: Right. He doesn't trust it. He looks like someone right
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: now is looking for it, but doesn't trust it.
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  Speaker 2: You brought this up. Hell, you brought this up in
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: like April or March when we started really getting into
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  Speaker 2: what we knew about the scheme. And here we are.
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  Speaker 2: And our time Bixby looks good in it. I mean,
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: he says they got to figure this, this run game
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: out as we move on here. But, Yeah, so Zach's
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: in here. They did release Gabe Hall to make room
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: for him. Poor Gabe. They don't really need any more
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: defensive tackles. I'll say this about their defense. I know
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: people are disappointed with it. Their tackle group is phenomenal.
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, if this is not the best group of
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: D-tackles in the NFL, I don't know what is.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: It sure is. I mean, because I would imagine Gabe
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: Hall will find some work somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe they'll come back. You know how they do it.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: They do the tango.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that's a good point.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other one, which I found fascinating, and
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: we'll get into the Kenny Moore one because Vic Fangio
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: is so funny. And was it Wednesday's press conference? Yeah.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you listen to Vic, it sounds like
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: he didn't watch tape of him before they signed him.
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: Is that accurate? Does that sound like it's accurate?
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like. I mean, he basically was like, you know,
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: I barely know the guy. And I'm like, man, the
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: guy's been in the league for not– he's been one
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: of the better playmaking nickels. Didn't you coach.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: Against him at some point? No, but the question was,
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: and I forget who asked it, was could he play safety?
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  Speaker 2: Because honestly, they don't need any more nickels.
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  Speaker 1: They need– Yeah, but this was– honestly, this was the
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: first question about what do you think of Kenny Moore
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  Speaker 1: that he said that. It wasn't– they later asked him, well,
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  Speaker 1: could he play safety? And he repeated– That he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know of, but he was pretty adamant. Like I've never,
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: I don't, I barely know who this guy is.
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  Speaker 2: That's what's comical because until two years ago, he was
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: arguably the best nickel and he fell off big time
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: and the Colts couldn't find a trade partner. So they
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: cut him. He's 31. Can't play corner, can't play nickel.
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: In fact, the way they use them in Indy for
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: many years is base downs, corner, nickel, which most teams
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: play anyway, majority of nickel anyway, then you play them inside. Now,
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: does he have anything left? They're going to find out.
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  Speaker 2: They'll see. There was the NFL Network report that was
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: up to three million, which obviously it's not three million.
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: It's going to be less than that.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: But remember, we've been saying for months now they don't
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: have a fourth corner. He'll be the fourth corner. Think
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  Speaker 2: of it that way. Yeah.
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: I kind of go back to Howie saying he was
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: going to add at that position and never did. Remember
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: when he said, are you going to add another safety?
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: He said he was going to add a safety is
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  Speaker 2: what he said. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then he never did. But then I feel like
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: because they have plans to practice him at nickel, maybe
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: safety and give him a look there. You know, there
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: were other teams that obviously wanted him. They gave him
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: a decent amount of money for a guy you're going
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: to sign to the practice squad. They clearly have a plan.
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  Speaker 1: They know what it's going to be. Yeah, they're going
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: to get there. Basically, whatever the guarantee is in the cash.
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  Speaker 1: That's going to be for the season, whether he's on
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: the 53 or the– I'm sure that's the way that
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: they're looking at it.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: But Vic ruled out moving Dajin at a– He does.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: Not want to do it. Right. Vic does not– he
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: will never answer because there's no reason to what he
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: thinks long-term. But I believe that he thinks he's a safety.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, it just– there's been a lot of clues, but.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: But for now, he's keeping him in nickel.
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: For at least this year, he basically said he's not
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: going to move him to– full-time safety this year. So
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: he's still going to be the nickel.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: But, and then the other thing is on Wednesday, I
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: thought it was interesting is about, it sounds like Michael
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Carter might be taking on some stuff away from Epps.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Epps is the starter, but you may find something. Epps,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: he said there were a couple of plays Epps would
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: like to have back. It's something to watch. It's just,
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: you know, you watch it. We don't make any determinations yet,
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: but it's something to watch. But Kenny Moore gives him depth.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: It just, it's a guy that, He's been in the
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: league a long time. I actually met him three years
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: ago at the Super Bowl. Super nice guy. He said Belichick.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: He learned a ton from Belichick. And, boy, he applied
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: it because he made a lot of money and he
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: was phenomenal. Phenomenal player for many, many years. Pretty good
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: character guy. And we'll see what happens there. So they
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: addressed it. They did that. But the big thing to
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: me is they still need tight ends, by the way.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: They need another pass-catching tight end. Yes. That's what they need.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Jatavian Sanders, by the way, he's a weekly inactive. Like
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: a fourth-round pick out of Texas. But he's a move
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: tight end. He can't play in line. But he can pad.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: He can move. He can run. Can you get somebody
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: who's younger, can move? Yep.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: At this point, I would take a Jack Stoll. Somebody
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: who could catch a little, block a little, maybe doesn't
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: do great at E.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Listen, we should mention.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: He's on the Niners now, right?
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Eagles have three tight ends here. Stowers, Calcaterra, and Goddard.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Two of them are on IR. But if you remember
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: when they Jimmy rigged it in 22, when Goddard was out,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: I think that There was one year he had the forearm,
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: another one he had an MCL sprain. This is the
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: second MCL sprain, I believe. Yeah. The Jimmy rigged it,
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: if you remember, with Stull, who you mentioned, as the Y. Yep.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: And Stull as the F, the move tight end. And
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: it worked. They actually did a nice job. Yeah.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Calcaterra had some of his best games as the F there.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, he really was a good zone beater for them.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: And Stull just was able to get in there and
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: block a little bit for the run.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: But they could use another move tight end. They don't
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: need any more Ys. They have too many Ys. It's funny.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: For years, they were looking for wise that they have
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: too many of them. Yes.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the wise who have no ability to give
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: you anything in the, in the.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Well, Jenkins, CJ Jenkins was a receiver in college. I know.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: He looks strange. Hit some drops in training camp, but
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: you know what? You never know. We'll see what happens
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Monday night. Yeah.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: So based on listening to Vic, getting back to the
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: secondary situation and we take, I take Vic at his
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: word mostly because he's pretty honest. I mean, he defended
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Epson said, you're right. He said, he had bad plays
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: that he liked to have back, but I would expect
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: him to be okay and bounce back. He likes Epps.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: We know he likes Epps. But he also said, yes,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Carter could, he's playing Carter and dime. He played a
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: few snaps of dime against the Titans. So to me,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: it's like, he's got Epps. He's got Carter waiting in
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the wings. If Epps really continues to slip. And if
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: they have any more injuries or issues at that hybrid
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: situation in a week or two, then you've got Kenny
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Moore ramping up. Like he's that, guy who they will
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: give a shot to. And you just hope it doesn't
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: have to get to that point because that just means
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: that you're, A, getting poor play, and, B, maybe getting
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: injuries at that position. Macuba didn't have a great game either,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: by the way. It should be noted.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Who was that?
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Macuba didn't have a wonderful game either.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Vic, I know Vic talked about it. It sounded like
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: he said thumbs down.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: It was just– Just a couple plays you want back.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: It's only two weeks. Yeah. I know a lot of
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: us said, oh, this could be a top five, top
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: three defense. It still could be, but the biggest issue
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: before we move on is the lack of pressure. I
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: know Hunt had a great training camp. We're not seeing
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: it yet. He's been okay, but they don't have that finisher,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: a finisher like Grenard. And Grenard, I give Vic credit
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: for not even sugarcoating it. He said Grenard's ways away
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: from being a full-time player in terms of playing a
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: lot of snaps. When he comes back, he's going to
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: have a limited snap count. And Yeah, he was great.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, he spelled it out on Wednesday. I mean,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I give the guy credit for not shying away from
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: it to educate people, the weight coaches thing. Not giving
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: away any secrets. When he's ready to play, he's going
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: to play. They're going to have to rotate.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: He also validated what we've been saying since August about Grenard.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: He said it's not just an injury. He said for
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: about five to six to seven weeks– he's not only injured,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: but he wasn't able to do conditioning. We talked about
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the pec injury doesn't let you lift. Clearly you can't
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: lift weights, but there's other cardio. Like it's difficult to run, right?
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: If you're, your chest is always bouncing. Like if you
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: have a pec injury, there's a lot of different things
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: that are difficult to do from a conditioning standpoint.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: That you can't lift. Yeah.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Vic was, that's the obvious part too. So Vic was
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: basically saying, don't just look at this as coming back
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: from an injury, but look at this as coming back
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: from an injury and, having almost no conditioning, and also
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: this goes back to last year where you haven't really practiced,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: as you pointed out many times. So I think Thursday
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: will be really interesting, the injury report, the first one
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that comes out for the week. Will he advance from
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: limited participant to full participant? If it's full, that's... a
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: great sign. Still doesn't mean he's probably going to play
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: 70% of the snaps or anything crazy like that. But
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: then you get an idea that he'll be on the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: field Monday night and contributing.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Well, here's what they can't have. They can't have him full,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: then limited, full, or limited. I've covered this crap for
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: 27 years. Mm-hmm. And it just, it really bothers me
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: that they're not allowed, that they're not required to list exact, okay,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: what limits less than its regular repetitions? Well, no one
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: knows what that means.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: We don't know how many reps that they, like, it
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't tell you. Could it mean one, two less?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: We don't know. Right. And that's the thing, which I
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: hate the way that they do this. They remove the
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: probable designation. Yep. So that's that.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: By the way, sometimes, many times, I would say, limited
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: means all they did was individual drills, which is almost
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: like not to me even limited. That's not practice. If
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you're not out there in 11-on-11s or doing something for
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the game plan, you're probably not playing.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. But that's tough to find out. But anyway,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: so that's that. Now, in terms of the Eagles injuries,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: let's get to them. Yep. I'm going to be looking
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: for J. Alex Hunt's name, see if he's on it
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: on Thursday. I don't, I know for people who watch
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the late in the game, he left, he left and
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: he looked, he was massaging something like he got hurt.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: See if he shows up on it. We mentioned Calcutta
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: and Stowers have to their own IR through the, through
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: week for the Rams game. And they would be eligible
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: to come back, at least practice and come back. You
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: can come back in the same week that you're designated
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: for return. You're allowed to do that on week five
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: in London, by the way, but, and that's on October
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: 11th against those Jaguars who are really good. And then
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: you've got it. We talked about the MCL sprain is
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: week to week, which would tell you it's worse than
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: a grade one. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And then Barkley, we're going to watch the stinger. We're
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  Speaker 2: in and then left. So we need to watch that one.
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  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter there. So something to watch going forward
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  Speaker 1: with the offense. Yeah, and that's really the injury situation
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• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Okay. Caleb Williams hamstring strain. He's not expected to play.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: He's not going to play. They're not going to rescue it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: The good thing is the MRI showed it was a
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: light strain. Um, so the way it works is with
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: hamstring strains and I've had my number of them. Um,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: the higher up it is on your hamstring, the worse,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the longer you're going to, the worse, the greatest of
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the strain. Um, so the good thing is it's somewhere
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: around a grade one. Uh, it's funny. Ben Johnson, he,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: he said he's week to week, but he's not going
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: to roll them out. I mean, come on, stop playing games.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: He's not playing. Uh, Tyson Bajent has a concussion. They're
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: number two quarterback. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. We're going to
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: see if he's going to be ready now. The average
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: concussion recovery in the NFL now is around seven days,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: so he could push it. Maybe their last practice is
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: on Saturday. Walkthrough is on Sunday. It's a home game.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have to travel. And then a guy they
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: faced nine years ago in the championship game. We'll start
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: if needed, and that's Case Keenum. Chris Long knows him
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: very well. He stripped him.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Changed the game.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Patrick Robinson, the rest is history. And then they have
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: a kid on the practice squad, the immortal Miller Moss
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: out of Louisville, an undirected free agent on the practice squad.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Didn't he play? He started off at USC, if I'm
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: not mistaken.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: You know more than I do about him. Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I watched him in a little big Penn State USC
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: action once, but. Yeah, this is not a great situation
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: for the Bears. Listen, I said this, I think, with
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Sam on Inside the Data. For the Eagles fan, it's great.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: If you go get to play the Bears with their
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: backup quarterback or third stringer, that's awesome. It favors you greatly.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: In fact, the Monte Carlo model that predicts swung way
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: heavily toward the Eagles after being only 48% in favor
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of the Eagles just last week. So that's great. But
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: for us, objective analysis, we like to see like a
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: really good primetime matchup. I would have liked to have
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: seen Caleb Williams play in this game and just got
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a great quarterback matchup, great team matchup, offense versus defense.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: So it would have been fun.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: They are loaded on their offensive line. Joe Tooney shocked
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the world after the trade. Yeah. If the Eagles beat
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: him up in the Super Bowl when he was playing
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: left tackle, it shouldn't have been. He was elite last season.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: He got his contract redone. Jordan Jackson has kind of
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: revived his career after what happened with the Rams. Darnell
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Wright is an absolute superstar. Mm-hmm. Left tackle's the issue.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Garrett Bradbury's a guy who's moved on a bit. He's
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: a smaller center. That may be where the Eagles have
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: an advantage there. But defensively, this is where they've got problems.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Shamar Turner, who was a second-round pick last year, is
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: on PUP. He's on reserve PUP with a comeback from
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: the ACL. But the big ones are in the secondary.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Tyreek Stevenson, one of their starting corners, he got a
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: hamstring injury in the game. He left. Malik Muhammad, their
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: fourth-round pick out of Texas, replaced him. He would start.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Carla Gordon's out. Poor guy. He had a concussion issue before.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Now he's got– this season he's got the calf issue.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: He won't play this week. He's on PUP.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: He's a good player who just really struggles to stay healthy.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: It's tough. You're right. Yeah, he gets hurt a lot.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: And then we've got Cam Lewis filling in. You might
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: remember from the Bills who's been a dime defender and
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: a nickel. He's not bad. He's being paid a lot
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: of money to be a backup. And then the big
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: one is Kobe Bryant, one of the starting centers– the
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: starting safeties. It's spelled with a C, by the way.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: He got hurt in training camp. And Xavier Woods, the
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: journeyman safety. He's been on a lot of teams. He has.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: He fills in. So they might be down three starters
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: in their secondary for this game. Advantage Eagles. And here's
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the good news.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, tropical storm, Kaplan.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Tell us. Weather, 70 during the day, 3% chance of rain. Obviously,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: it could change. But it's looking good. Ideal conditions should
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: be in the mid-60s in game time. This should be
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: fun because that Slough Fest they had at Soldier Field
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: last week was hard to watch. Yeah. A lot of
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: advantages here for the Eagles. The Eagles offense versus the
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Chicago Bear defense due to injury.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: And pass pro has not been as much as the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: run game has been an issue. Pass pro has been better.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: You know, we obviously saw Jalen Hurts was very comfortable, very,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: he got hit a couple of times, of course, by
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons, but the bears don't have a Jeffrey Simmons.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: They have some good players elsewhere, but they just don't have,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, Montez sweats, a good edge rusher, but they
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: don't have Jeffrey Simmons is one of the, is maybe
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the best player in his position. The bears don't have that.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: No. In fact, opposite sweat, Dio didn't both coming up
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: from the Achilles injury. That is a bad injury. He
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: got hurt. I think in November, remember, You remember Greg Ellis,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: the really good DN for the Cowboys for many years?
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I met him at Pro Bowl. This is going back
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: like 20 years ago, maybe a little bit less than that.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: But he told me it took him a good two
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: years to get his Achilles right. And I just never
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: forgotten that. And he's playing the same position that Dingbo's playing.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: He's a big free agent signing from the Colts last year.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: They get the kid Austin Booker. He's a speed rusher,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: but he's okay. Grave Jared, I know they love his leadership.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: He's still making a lot of money. And old Frank
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Contavia streets there. Devin Bush revived his career with the Browns, but, and, and,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: and they've got, of course, TJ Edwards like that, but
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Dennis Allen coach is great. And he's phenomenal. He's a
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: great D coordinator, not a good head coach, but the
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: guy gets these guys to execute. So it won't be easy.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: And look, it's real simple. If the Eagles control this game,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: they're winning. If they control the bears running game, they're, they're,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I don't care who plays quarterback. Yeah. Of the backups.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: They're winning the game. But we're going to see. We're
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: going to see if they kind of, like, Steven's available.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Eagles run defense was horrific last year against them. They
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: had two 100-year rushers in the first half. So bring
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: your hard hat. It's coming Monday night. You know it's coming.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Ben Johnson's unreal with that sophisticated run game. He calls
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: the game. He not only calls the game, he's one
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: of the few head coaches that designs a run game.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. He's brilliant. And he'll tell you
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: about it, too. He's not afraid to tell you about it.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: He thinks he's great. I know. He thinks he's great.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I got it. I got it. All right. Good stuff.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: We're going to have a lot more covered. Obviously, we'll
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: have the Inside the Birds pregame show later this week.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: And we'll have a bonus ITB Monday morning just to
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: go through any last-minute injury intel that we've got along
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: before they play that evening. And, of course, we've got
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Birds Weekly pregame show. We have an Inside the Data
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: pre where we've introduced DVOA and what that says. So
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: we have a lot of great coverage for you. The
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: rest of the week, Andrew DiCecco's Notebooks and Rookie Diary
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: will be coming.
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  Speaker 2: One thing I want to mention about DVOA, it is
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the only analytic point that coaches agree is phenomenal. Even
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: if guys– a lot of coaches I've known for years,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: they don't like PFF. But they don't look at their grades.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: They think they're nonsense because they would have to know
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: how they coach. But they love their– they would say
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: anything my eye can't measure.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I want it.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: That's what you should want. Well, DVOA does everything. So,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: and a lot of defensive coaches I know love it. Absolutely. Yep. Yeah.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: So that's some real bleep there. So I'm looking forward
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: to hearing what Sam's got to say. Yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: He did a good job of explaining the difference between
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: EPA and DVOA and why it matters. So hey, before
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: we get out of here, I got some free swag.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: So I got to say much love to my friends
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: at Paul Massano's sandwich shop. The best. Let me tell you,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: this is my favorite. Italian sandwich shop in South Jersey.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: They're in a Sewell or Washington township. If you're not
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: from the area, but specifically Sewell on egg Harbor road,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: two 88, Adam, when I tell you like family owned, so, and,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and they're wonderful people, but is it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They, this is not just like thin sliced deli meat
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  Speaker 1: on a, this is like breaded chicken cutlet filet mignon
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  Speaker 1: cheese steak. Okay. They have some of the greatest and
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the fig Caprese. Oh, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a vegan, but I will have cheese. I have
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: cheese a couple days a week.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll have the mozzarella. Oh, yeah, I'll do that.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I'll do that. Wow, dude. Wow, all right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: I drive for my pizza, and I drive for my
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: good sandwiches.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I know, and I felt jealous because you and Andrew
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: have been getting together for having all this good pizza,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: so I had to promote Palmasalvo.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Joey's in Thorndale, folks, and his brother owns Pizza Westchester.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: But Joey's is the best pizza. And my friends at
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Stretch Home told me about them. Nice. Oh, my God.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: The best white pizza. Like, Ravenessi's is great. And where's that?
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: In Glen Mills. Phenomenal. I've heard you talk about that. Yeah.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: If you ever travel to Chester County. Also, Nick's in...
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: In Wilmington, Delaware, if you ever travel. I travel, dude.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: You know how insane I am for pizza. I love it.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Look, we just gave you South Jersey, PA, and Delaware.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: So anywhere in the tri-state area, we had you covered.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: And these are not paid advertisements.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: No, we want to help the locals, man.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Palmisano's is unbelievable. Again, Egg Harbor Road in Seoul.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I will not forget that. Wait, what's the town?
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: It's technically called Washington Township in South Jersey, but there's
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a section of Washington Township and also a section of Mantua.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that is called Sewell. It's kind of spans both.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's right on egg Harbor road, which is very, very,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: you know, there's like a Rita's right next door.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Big applause. Everybody, everybody who knows Sewell knows where Paul
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Masanos is.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Awesome stuff.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: All right. Like I said, a lot more coverage on
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: inside the birds platform coming up later this week. That's
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: going to do it for this episode of inside the birds,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the leading podcast in Eagles Intel. And as always, we
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: thank you for flying with us inside the birds.