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- 0:07Society of Automotive Historians, the Watkins Glen Area Chamber of
- 0:11Commerce, and the Argettsinger family.
- 0:16Living loud, living fast.
- 0:18Connections between musicians and motorsports by Mark D.
- 0:21Howell.
- 0:22Mark Howell is a professor of communications at
- 0:24Northwestern Michigan College.
- 0:25Prior to NMC, he was a visiting assistant professor at the Department
- 0:29of American Thought and Language at Michigan State University.
- 0:32As a motorsports historian, Dr.
- 0:34Howell has published numerous articles and two books, From Moonshine to Madison
- 0:39Avenue, a cultural history of the NASCAR Winston Cup Series in 1997, and
- 0:44Motorsports and the American Culture, from Demolition Derbies to NASCAR in 2014.
- 0:49Since 2011, he has been a senior writer for French stretch.com,
- 0:53where his essays appear every Wednesday during the racing season.
- 0:57Dr.
- 0:57Howell also spent three years from 2001 to 2003 as a part-time crew member with
- 1:02Brett Bodin racing in the Monster Energy NASCAR Cup series, and has worked closely
- 1:07with NASCAR drivers, Hutt Strickland, Kenny Wallace, and Todd Bodine, Dr.
- 1:11Howell's presentation for this year's symposium.
- 1:13Living Loud and Living Fast will explore the connections between
- 1:16musicians and motor sports.
- 1:18The presentation highlights how several well known professional musicians from
- 1:22diverse genres took their interest in high performance vehicles to regional,
- 1:26national, and sometimes international levels of motor racing competition.
- 1:32Our next topic, living loud, living fast, connections between musicians and
- 1:38motorsports by Mark Howell from Michigan, a frequent presenter here at our events.
- 1:46Mark, delighted to have you here.
- 1:48It's all yours.
- 1:50Thank you, Bob.
- 1:52And I will echo everyone's sentiments that it's nice to be back in person.
- 1:57We've missed getting together here at the Glenn, and it's nice to,
- 2:01to be enjoying some time together.
- 2:04Just as kind of an introduction to this topic, I've been working on a
- 2:08manuscript the last couple of years.
- 2:10Looking at the connection between motor sports and the manned space program.
- 2:15And not so much in the technical aspect.
- 2:17I think that's been covered in quite enough detail.
- 2:21But I'm looking at the personalities.
- 2:22Looking at the connection between astronauts and drivers.
- 2:26A lot of astronauts who were hobbyist drivers.
- 2:30Some who became professional drivers later in their careers.
- 2:34Um, And, uh, and in doing that research, I stumbled across occasionally
- 2:40names of musicians who sort of fell under the same category as hobbyist
- 2:46racers or, um, in many cases, uh, actually competitive racers.
- 2:52And so that's where this presentation sort of took shape.
- 2:57And, uh, so, I will share some of my most recent findings with you.
- 3:03It might seem challenging to find a direct correlation between country music
- 3:08legend Marty Robbins and heavy metal frontman Vince Neil, but one needs to
- 3:14look no further than an asphalt speedway.
- 3:17Despite their differences in musical genres, clothing styles, and their
- 3:22respective eras in entertainment history, these two outwardly
- 3:27unrelated personalities are more similar than one would think.
- 3:31That's because both escaped the demands of the music business by climbing
- 3:35behind the wheel of a race car.
- 3:38Note that I am not focusing on musicians who dabbled in novelty races like the
- 3:44Toyota Pro Celebrity Race held in Long Beach, California between 1977 and 2016.
- 3:53Ted Nugent won the celebrity class in 1983, and Donny Osmond
- 3:58took the celebrity win in 1991.
- 4:02But I am not classifying those events as competitive pro only races.
- 4:07And this will be the only time you see these two together in a
- 4:11visual, probably ever in your life.
- 4:15Although as a pro, Ted Nugent did compete in the Baja 1000 on a couple
- 4:21of occasions, as did Mike Nesmith.
- 4:24monkeys.
- 4:25Uh, my focus is on the handful of professional musicians who
- 4:29have spent their leisure time as professional race car drivers.
- 4:33The two occupations enjoy somewhat of a symbiotic relationship, a unique
- 4:39relationship highlighted by the need for participants in both of these audience
- 4:43oriented, public performance based disciplines to demonstrate numerous
- 4:46essential qualities, including patience, timing, and, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
- 4:52uh, uh, uh, uh, Memory recall, teamwork, hand eye coordination, and control.
- 4:59While it is the accumulated wealth that, of most professional musicians,
- 5:04that enables them to collect specialized automobiles, it does not,
- 5:08by any means, require them to drive those exotic cars competitively.
- 5:14Motorsports are not for the faint of heart.
- 5:17Racing cars is not only inherently dangerous, but it is prohibitively
- 5:21expensive and both physically and mentally challenging.
- 5:25Perhaps it is these last two demands that link motorsports to music.
- 5:30Both activities tend to be performed before a paying audience, and
- 5:35both require the participant to be something of an exhibitionist.
- 5:39Any fear of failure must be overshadowed by prodigious confidence.
- 5:44A musician who makes a mistake will recover from their error by staying calm
- 5:49and pushing onward through the song.
- 5:52A racer who makes a mistake, on the other hand, will hopefully recover
- 5:56enough to, enough control to stay on course and avoid wrecking their car.
- 6:01One of the first professional musicians to climb behind the wheel of a race car
- 6:09was Johnny Clay, a jazz trumpeter and band leader from England who gave up
- 6:14the music business entirely and moved to Belgium to drive competitively.
- 6:20Clay made 23 Grand Prix.
- 6:22Starts between 1948 and 1956, scoring his first career victory at the 1950
- 6:29Grand Prix de Frontier in Sheme, A race.
- 6:33He won again in 1951.
- 6:36In 1953, clay won the Rome rally, and in 1954 he managed to win his
- 6:45class in the 24 hours of lamont.
- 6:47Unfortunately, Clay's racing career was cut short when he
- 6:51was diagnosed with TB in 1955.
- 6:55The musician turned racer died the next year at the age of 39.
- 7:01Johnny Clay transitioned smoothly from a career in music
- 7:06to a career in motor racing.
- 7:08But it's important to acknowledge that not all musicians who enjoy racing
- 7:12see themselves on a starting grid.
- 7:14Some musicians utilize their creative gifts in admiration of motor
- 7:19racing achievements and history.
- 7:22The late George Harrison, for example, was a close friend
- 7:25and admirer of Jackie Stewart.
- 7:27Stewart wrote a book in 1972 titled Faster, A Racer's Diary, which chronicled
- 7:34his 1970 racing season, a year that was scarred by troublesome race cars.
- 7:40Unreliable sponsors, and the on track deaths of two fellow drivers, one of whom,
- 7:46Jochen Rindt, was Stewart's best friend.
- 7:49Harrison, who had a collection of racing photographs, spent 1977
- 7:53traveling the circuit with Stewart.
- 7:56His experiences resulted in the song, Faster, which reflected on the trials
- 8:01and tribulations of Formula One as seen from Stewart's perspective.
- 8:05The song appeared on Harrison's self titled solo album in 1979.
- 8:11Another musician who put his fascination with motor racing
- 8:14into song was Mark Knopfler.
- 8:16His single, Speedway at Nazareth, which is from 2000, used the challenges of an
- 8:22IndyCar season as a metaphor for life.
- 8:25And in 2010, Mark Knopfler released The car was the one, a
- 8:31single commemorating the life and legacy of the late Mark Donohue.
- 8:36Mark Knopfler read Donohue's 1975 autobiography, The Unfair Advantage,
- 8:42and was intrigued by Donohue's story of being an up and coming racer who wanted
- 8:47a chance to drive the new Shelby Cobra.
- 8:50Ackar Nafler referred to in his song as the one.
- 8:54Mark Nafler borrowed, quote unquote, Donahue's story from the
- 8:59opening paragraph of chapter six.
- 9:02It's located on page 27 of the second edition, published in September of
- 9:072000, and used it for the song's lyrics.
- 9:11The song is like the book in that the narrative is from Donahue's perspective.
- 9:16Mark Donahue himself is never mentioned.
- 9:20Knopfler's song, instead, is all about a young driver's admiration of
- 9:25a successful peer, the young driver's desire to win, and the car that helped
- 9:30shape the young driver's career.
- 9:33For many other musicians enamored with motorsports, the allure of
- 9:37competition is too powerful to ignore.
- 9:40Sadly, for these aspiring champions, ignoring their urges would have
- 9:45been a better course of action.
- 9:48As in the case of Andrew Ridgely, one half of the famed pop duo, Wham!,
- 9:54he's on the left in this photograph.
- 9:56After his tenure with the group, Ridgely took his money and his energy and
- 10:01chased his dreams of motor racing glory.
- 10:05He took up residence in Monaco and began racing in Formula 3 competition.
- 10:10Ridgely's overall racing career was pretty much a failure right from the start,
- 10:16enabling the pop star to experience Wham!
- 10:19from an entirely different, more literal perspective.
- 10:23Another musician motor racing hopeful was the Grammy winning
- 10:27singer songwriter Christopher Cross.
- 10:29The yacht rock icon met Ferrari F1 driver Patrick Tambay while
- 10:35on a European promotional tour.
- 10:37Cross experienced the high performance supercar culture in Modena, had lunch
- 10:43with Enzo Ferrari, and suddenly felt inspired to pursue an entirely new career.
- 10:49Cross raced Formula Super Vs briefly until he suffered serious injuries in a
- 10:54wreck at Willow Springs Raceway in 1984.
- 10:57Following months of recovery, Cross tried to drive again, this
- 11:02time as part of the video for his 1985 single, Charm the Snake.
- 11:07The video features Cross behind the wheel.
- 11:10This time of a Formula Atlantic car, supposedly chosen because
- 11:14he thought the car looked a lot cooler because it had wider tires.
- 11:18Christopher Cross aspired to drive in the American Racing Indy Lights
- 11:24series, but he accepted the fact that he wasn't skilled enough to ever
- 11:29500, which was one of his dreams.
- 11:33His physical size had racing insiders suggesting that he try driving stock cars.
- 11:40But Cross's motorsports career effectively stalled, pardon the pun, after a
- 11:45handful of Formula Super V events.
- 11:48That's not to say there haven't been musicians who've
- 11:50managed to try motorsports and achieve some level of success.
- 11:54One great example would be Sweden's Carl, Edward, Tommy, Slim, Borgud.
- 12:01who combined his talent as a jazz rock drummer with his love of racing to achieve
- 12:06a respectable driving career across a variety of European motorsports classes.
- 12:12Borgud developed an interest in motor racing as a teenager when he saw Sterling
- 12:17Moss compete in a Formula 2 race in 1959.
- 12:21He bought a Lotus Formula Ford from Dixieland musician and amateur racer,
- 12:27Chris Barber, who not only raced his own Lotus, but also owned motorcycle
- 12:32and bicycle teams during the late 1960s.
- 12:36Tommy Borgud began competing regionally, he enrolled in the Jim
- 12:40Russell Racing School, and started winning events shortly thereafter.
- 12:44During the 1970s, Borgud matured as a racer and climbed the competitive ladder.
- 12:50In 1972, he finished second in the Swedish Touring Car Championship, and in 1973 he
- 12:57won the Scandinavian Formula Ford Series.
- 12:59His career path led him to Formula three in 1976 through 1977 and
- 13:06eventually to Formula One in 1981.
- 13:09His first points paying finish was sixth place in the 1981 British Grand Prix.
- 13:16After his Formula One career ended in 1982 due to team politics, Borgud
- 13:22competed only occasionally until he began racing a Formula 3000 car in 1985.
- 13:29After struggling in Formula 3000, the drummer drove a Ford Sierra to win the
- 13:351989 Will Hire 24 Hour Touring Car event.
- 13:40On the heels of his European truck racing championships in 1986 and 1987.
- 13:48In 1994, Slim Borgud won the Nordic Touring Car Championship.
- 13:54And in 1995, he won yet another truck racing title.
- 13:59During his time in F1, Borgud used his ties to the Swedish supergroup ABBA to
- 14:05attract potential sponsors and the media.
- 14:08Borgud played drums in bands like Made in Sweden and Solar Plexus, but he also
- 14:14played on many of ABBA's biggest records.
- 14:17Through his friendship with ABBA, Borgud was able to put the group's name on his
- 14:22Ford powered ATS Formula One car for free.
- 14:27This method was used by another rock drummer with ties to motorsports.
- 14:31John Bonham, of Led Zeppelin fame, blended his love of cars With his star power to
- 14:38help Kay Griffith's McLaren M8E qualify for a Group 7 race at Silverstone in 1974.
- 14:46Other musicians merged their music money with motorsports as well.
- 14:51The legendary Johnny Halliday, the French Elvis as he was known, raced in
- 14:56the Paris to Dakar rally on occasion, and Shane Lynch from the Irish boy
- 15:02band, Boyzone, found success in both British GT and drifting competition.
- 15:08Each of these efforts was financed solely by the musicians themselves.
- 15:13One act to market itself through automobile racing was the
- 15:16British pop group Atomic Kitten.
- 15:19which formed a professional alliance during the early 2000s with the
- 15:24MG Factory Team and the British Touring Car Championships under the
- 15:28banner of Atomic Kitten Motorsports.
- 15:32The group's interest was so high that Jenny Frost, one of the Atomic
- 15:36Kittens, from 2001 through 2004, enrolled in a racing school in
- 15:43hopes of becoming a driver herself.
- 15:45Just like Tommy Borgud and Jenny Frost, other musicians have embraced
- 15:49their interests in motorsports.
- 15:51In 2010, the British jazz trio Curios released an album titled The Other Place.
- 15:59Two singles on the record, written by pianist and F1 fan Tom Cawley, honored the
- 16:05achievements of fellow Brit Jensen Button.
- 16:08One cut was titled Belief, and the other, 2009 World Champion.
- 16:14Previous works by Curios have also commemorated Button's
- 16:18motor racing exploits.
- 16:20Nick Mason, another Brit, and the drummer for Pink Floyd, is
- 16:24widely recognized for his vast collection of historic racing cars.
- 16:29Vehicles he continues to drive in vintage celebrations like the
- 16:33annual Goodwood Festival of Speed.
- 16:36And Brian Johnson, the lead singer for ACDC, owns an eclectic assortment
- 16:41of exotic high performance race cars that he also occasionally
- 16:46enters in vintage competitions.
- 16:48Yet another musician who made a name for himself as a racer was Dick Smothers.
- 16:53Smothers earned a reputation as a versatile driver while
- 16:57playing concert tours and performing on national television.
- 17:01Even as the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour was denounced by conservatives
- 17:05for its criticism of American politics and the Vietnam War, Dick Smothers was
- 17:11racing all sorts of high performance vehicles, including SCCA Formula Vs, NHRA
- 17:17dragsters and endurance type sports cars.
- 17:22Smothers raced Porsches at Sebring and co drove Chevrolet Corvettes
- 17:27at the 24 hours of Le Mans.
- 17:30In the 1980s, Pennsylvania native John Oates of Holland Oates.
- 17:34He's the one with the mustache in this picture, enjoyed a second career in
- 17:39motorsports, having grown up around sports cars near the shops of Porsche
- 17:45legends, Bob and Al Holbert, Oates developed a keen interest in road racing.
- 17:51John Oates started out racing go karts on Long Island during the late
- 17:551970s, then learned to drive Formula Fords while on tour in Europe.
- 18:01Upon his return to the United States, he attended the Bertle Ruse
- 18:05Driving School at Pocono Raceway as a classmate of the late John Andretti.
- 18:10I actually saw John Oates race a Formula Ford at Pocono back in the early 1980s.
- 18:17He spun the car a lot.
- 18:18He would go, he would go into the first turn, loop the car, come out of the
- 18:22dirt, and then he'd come around, he'd loop the car again, but, oh well, he was
- 18:25having fun, so, that's all that counts.
- 18:28Oates also competed in the SCCA's Sports 2000 class for two seasons.
- 18:34John Oates met Jackie Stewart through George Harrison, and he followed the
- 18:39racing career of Richard Lloyd, a British driver who had worked six years, For DECA
- 18:46records in 1983, Lloyd put Oates behind the wheel of a Porsche 924 GTR in an IMSA
- 18:53race at Lime Rock Park in Connecticut, and he finished 10th out of 37 cars.
- 18:58An accident at Road America ended Oates competitive racing career.
- 19:04He now lives in Nashville, Tennessee, where he's active with community efforts
- 19:09in hopes of bringing both NASCAR and IndyCar events back to Music City.
- 19:14In 1992, the aforementioned Vince Neal, frontman for the heavy metal band Motley
- 19:20Crue, pursued his interest in racing and competed in four Indy Lights events.
- 19:26He drove the Say No to Drugs.
- 19:29Isn't that ironic?
- 19:30March Buick to an average finish of 12.
- 19:3375 and a career best finish of 10th in a race at Milwaukee.
- 19:40Now, we should acknowledge at this point that the music motorsports
- 19:43continuum goes both ways.
- 19:46Formula F1 driver Damon Hill and IndyCar veteran Kenny Brack are both
- 19:51accomplished guitarists, while Elio DeAngelis and the late François Sievert
- 19:57were classically trained pianists.
- 19:59Sievert supposedly performed an impromptu concert at Seneca
- 20:04Lodge the night before his death.
- 20:06In the Grand Prix in 1973.
- 20:09Any of you local folks are aware of that or can confirm that.
- 20:13Supposedly, that's part of his lore.
- 20:15In NASCAR, Cup Series driver Bubba Wallace plays the drums for relaxation
- 20:21and has performed on stage with various bands during race weekends.
- 20:26And Kyle Petty, son of NASCAR Hall of Famer Richard Petty, has enjoyed quite
- 20:31a lengthy side gig in country music.
- 20:34Petty, who had eight wins during his 30 years in the Cup Series, has also recorded
- 20:39albums, filmed videos, and performed shows all across the country, including
- 20:45at the Grand Ole Opry in Nashville.
- 20:47Kyle Petty has continued to perform his music since retiring from driving in 2008.
- 20:54Perhaps the most recognized motor racing musician in the United States
- 20:59was country music legend Marty Robbins.
- 21:01He recorded a catalog of more than 50 albums and scored 17 number one
- 21:07singles during his music career.
- 21:10But there was more to Marty Robbins than white sport coats and pink carnations.
- 21:15There's a little reference for some of you old timers out there, uh, myself included.
- 21:20Robbins grew up in Arizona, where open wheel competition
- 21:23was the main form of motorsport.
- 21:25While living in Nashville as a singer and songwriter during the late 1950s,
- 21:30he began driving micro sprints, eventually graduating to regional late
- 21:35models, modifieds, and stock cars.
- 21:37As his music and racing careers grew, Marty Robbins interests evolved into
- 21:42a tradition at the Grand Ole Opry.
- 21:44Robbins would be put last in the lineup.
- 21:48That enabled him to race at Nashville Fairgrounds Speedway.
- 21:53Then, when he was done, run over to the Ryman Auditorium to
- 21:57play the final set at the Opry.
- 21:59Marty Robbins drove 35 Grand National or Cup Series events between 1966 and 1982.
- 22:07His magenta and chartreuse dodges, although he also drove
- 22:10Plymouths and Fords, Chevrolets and Buicks, were hard to miss.
- 22:15Robbins tended to find a car roughly as fast as his own and follow
- 22:20that driver throughout the race.
- 22:22During his Grand National career, Marty Robbins scored one top five and six
- 22:27top tens and led a total of three laps.
- 22:30But that's not to say he didn't get significant attention
- 22:34for his on track exploits.
- 22:37At Talladega Superspeedway in 1972, Robbins thrilled the crowd by passing
- 22:43cars all afternoon, turning laps quicker than all the other drivers.
- 22:48After getting up to fourth place, Robbins suddenly quit.
- 22:52He was going to be named Rookie of the Race when he suggested that NASCAR
- 22:55officials take a closer look at his Dodge.
- 22:58They discovered that Robbins had removed The legally mandated restrictor
- 23:03plates from his car's engine, which led to his immediate disqualification.
- 23:08When asked why he cheated, Marty Robbins said that he, quote, just wanted to see
- 23:14what it was like to run up front for once.
- 23:17End quote.
- 23:18And on lap three of the National 500 at Charlotte in 1974, Marty Robbins purposely
- 23:25drove his Dodge into the retaining wall at about 160 miles an hour when he came up on
- 23:31Richard Childress number three Chevrolet.
- 23:33sitting broadside across the track.
- 23:36Robin suffered multiple injuries, including a black eye and cuts to
- 23:41his nose and forehead in the mishap.
- 23:43Took 32 stitches to patch him up.
- 23:45But it's widely believed his actions saved Childress life.
- 23:50Given such reasoning, it's been suggested that Marty was personally responsible
- 23:53for Dale Earnhardt's Hall of Fame career at Richard Childress Racing.
- 23:59Marty Robbins drove his last race at Atlanta in the fall of 1982.
- 24:04On December 8th, Robbins died following his fourth heart attack.
- 24:09He was 57 years old.
- 24:11When news of his passing was announced, Marty Robbins was remembered as an
- 24:15award winning musician and songwriter, but he was visually depicted in the
- 24:20media as a NASCAR Cup Series driver.
- 24:23The connections between music and motorsports are many.
- 24:27Both pursuits epitomize the spirit of show business.
- 24:31Both require highly focused concentration and impeccable coordination.
- 24:36Above all, both activities challenge participants to
- 24:39push beyond expected limits.
- 24:42In motorsports, just like in music, success is measured by one's ability to
- 24:47transcend supposed or expected norms.
- 24:51Being a musician means being a student of technique, tradition,
- 24:56and the benefits of practice.
- 24:58The same can be said of racing.
- 24:59Performance in both endeavors is measured by the quality of your achievements.
- 25:05And with that, I thank you for your time and your attention.
- 25:16Oh, and if I had waited just a little bit, I would have got the photo of, um,
- 25:20Ross Chastain sliding against the wall right behind Christopher Bell here,
- 25:25but, uh, that photo wasn't available when I was putting this together, so.
- 25:30Thank you, Mark, your usual riveting presentation.
- 25:35Are there any questions?
- 25:36Do you have any interest in record album covers that depict automobiles?
- 25:41Because when I get home, I'm going to go through my collection and
- 25:43pull out every one that has a, uh, an automobile on the cover.
- 25:47Well, Marty, Marty Robbins, uh, had at least two albums.
- 25:51He has one for his album, Devil Woman.
- 25:54Where on the cover it's his modified, which he called affectionately
- 25:58Devil Woman, so it's a nice picture of his car, kind of in profile.
- 26:02And then in a later album, he put a picture of his, uh, I think it
- 26:06was one of the 72 Dodges that he has on the cover of that, sort of
- 26:12as a commemorative kind of a thing.
- 26:14Yeah, I'm always, I'm looking for all kinds of stuff.
- 26:16Like the Curios album, that's, that has nothing really to do with any of the
- 26:20songs, it's just It's a cool photo of, they think maybe that was Jensen Button
- 26:26behind the wheel of that sports car there for that, for that jazz album cover.
- 26:31This has taken a life of its own, so I'm, I'm always looking.
- 26:34So yeah, if you find anything, I'll give you my email.
- 26:37You can send me the images and the publication credit that
- 26:40you want and go with that.
- 26:42Hard not to get into this subject without thinking about the Beach Boys as well.
- 26:46They basically made a whole kind of a career out of the California car
- 26:51culture with 409 and, uh, Little Old Lady and, uh, et cetera, et cetera.
- 26:56Right.
- 26:57Which is, it's fascinating because they Well, and I came across them.
- 27:00I was, at one point in this research, I came across some information
- 27:04about the Smothers Brothers and the Beach Boys co sponsored an NHRA Top
- 27:09Fuel dragster back in the late 60s.
- 27:12And I thought, this is really interesting to have these two bands that are so
- 27:16sort of at the peak of popular culture coming together to co sponsor a car.
- 27:20It turned out that neither group had anything to do.
- 27:24with the team.
- 27:26It was people within the team who had very, very limited connections.
- 27:31Like, you know, they knew the cousin of a brother of somebody who was a
- 27:34part of the record label, and they thought, Wouldn't this be cool to
- 27:37put these two bands on the car?
- 27:40And there are tons of photos, and there's tons of information.
- 27:43But neither group will take credit for saying, Yes, we sponsored that car.
- 27:48It was just kind of a, sort of a vanity project.
- 27:51I don't think the beach parties had anything to do with racing either.
- 27:55I mean, they were surfing and other things like that.
- 27:57Right.
- 27:57But still, there was that California car culture that they
- 28:00were Promoting very much and and connecting to some definitely nice.
- 28:05Definitely.
- 28:05And primarily drag racing time for one more buzz.
- 28:09The very first Cup series road race took place in 1954 at
- 28:14Linden, New Jersey Airport.
- 28:16And there was a guy you'll see on the race results named J.
- 28:19Christopher.
- 28:20That was one of the finishers.
- 28:22Well, J.
- 28:22Christopher wasn't his real name.
- 28:24His real name was Conrad Janice.
- 28:26And if you remember the Morgan Mindy TV show, he was a bald headed
- 28:29guy that played Mindy's father.
- 28:30And he was also a jazz musician out of New York City.
- 28:34That's right.
- 28:34He was a musician.
- 28:35Yep.
- 28:35And if he had used his real name, he would have lost his amateur
- 28:38standing with his race car club.
- 28:40He went ahead and he ran that one race and I was able to track him
- 28:43down and I asked him about it.
- 28:45He said, Oh yeah.
- 28:45He said That was quite an experience for me because we were
- 28:48gentlemen racers, and those NASCAR guys were a bunch of ruffians.
- 28:54Now, and where did he finish?
- 28:55Do you know?
- 28:55He finished like 27th or something.
- 28:57He only lasted a handful of laps, and he had his little XK120, and he
- 29:02was really afraid he was going to get it dinged up, so he pulled in.
- 29:05Half the field was sports cars, and half the field was stock cars.
- 29:09You can't trust those NASCAR guys.
- 29:11They'll stuff you in the fence as soon as they get a chance to.
- 29:14Alright, one of our online viewers, Darren Tahara says, Tell Mark that Brian
- 29:20Johnson competed at Watkins Glen in the historic race in the early 2000s.
- 29:24Very cool.
- 29:25That's good to know.
- 29:26I'll have to find a place around here that has archival
- 29:28information about Watkins Glen.
- 29:31See if I can find some photos or some track records or something.
- 29:35So if anybody knows of a place, let me, let me know.
- 29:39Time for just one more quick.
- 29:41Yeah, Mark, one of the earliest musicians I know of getting involved in
- 29:44motorsport was band leader Guy Lombardo.
- 29:47He was a well known boat racer back in, oh, I guess the 30s to the early 50s.
- 29:51And at one time, I believe he held world water speed records.
- 29:54Guy Lombardo did.
- 29:55Yeah.
- 29:56Oh my gosh.
- 29:57Okay.
- 29:57That's I haven't even looked into other kinds of motor sports, but you know what?
- 30:01Yeah.
- 30:02In my NASA research, Gordon Cooper and Gus Grissom were boat racers.
- 30:07They would team up and they would do essentially like
- 30:09offshore hydroplane type things.
- 30:11There is kind of a boat racing theme, but I'll definitely have to track that
- 30:15down because that's that's fascinating.
- 30:18Paul Whiteman, the big band leader, was instrumental in the development
- 30:22of Daytona International Speedway.
- 30:25Uh, he was one of the, sort of the movers and shakers behind that.
- 30:29The deeper I dig, the deeper I go.
- 30:31There's a lot going on here.
- 30:32So, I appreciate all the feedback.
- 30:35And that goes for anybody.
- 30:35Any kind of information you have, please feel free to share it with me.
- 30:40Mark, thank you very much.
- 30:42Thank you.
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