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Ohio State Recruiting: Why A Late Flip Is One Of The More Underappreciated Future Buckeyes · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: you got coupling coming over the next couple of minutes,
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  Speaker 1: Mark and Juck breaking down one of the maybe more
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  Speaker 1: underappreciated commitments this year. A late flip for the Buckeyes,
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  Speaker 1: a really really elite defensive backed prospect, Jay Timmins, a
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  Speaker 1: late flip in the cycle who could have a huge
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  Speaker 1: impact on the field at Ohio State in the coming years.
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  Speaker 1: So here's Mark and Juck talking about him. And if
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  Speaker 2: Tomorrow morning, Hello everyone, welcome to the Skull Session Recruiting
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  Speaker 2: podcast brought to by bucke Huddle dot Com. I am
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  Speaker 2: Mark Givler. Juck is with me here again today as
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  Speaker 2: we look at a late addition to the Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six recruiting class. As we continue our signing
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty six recruiting capsules, not just a late edition,
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  Speaker 2: a really important one and one who may end up
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  Speaker 2: being one of their highest rated guys across the board,
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  Speaker 2: but certainly is on one service four star slash five
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  Speaker 2: star corner. Jay Timmins, the son of Florida State great
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  Speaker 2: Lawrence Timmins out of the Pittsburgh area, and Timmins was
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  Speaker 2: committed to Florida State. Didn't see any reason to ever
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  Speaker 2: think that would happen, you know, with the buck eyes,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the Florida State legacy committed to the seminoles
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  Speaker 2: Hire State flips him late in the process. He's the
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  Speaker 2: number twelve player in the country recording the rivals in
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  Speaker 2: the number one corner. Everyone out you know, two four
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  Speaker 2: sevens moved him into the top fifty. ESPN has got
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  Speaker 2: in the top two hundred. But we kind of know
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  Speaker 2: how ESPN does things. But but you know, very very
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  Speaker 2: highly ranked kid and a huge, huge pickup for the
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  Speaker 2: Buckeyes late in the process. If this could have been
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  Speaker 2: the number twelve player in the country back in April
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  Speaker 2: and had been in the Buckeyes radar for seven months
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  Speaker 2: and ultimately committed to the Buckeyes in November with you know,
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  Speaker 2: how crazy would people have went over this? But it
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  Speaker 2: kind of you know, didn't get maybe the love it
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  Speaker 2: should have.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny we always talk about this marked
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  Speaker 3: the kind of the perception of a recruiting class and
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  Speaker 3: how things are going.
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  Speaker 4: And you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 3: If this guy was on the board with that ranking
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  Speaker 3: early on in the cycle, when Ohas State was whiffing
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  Speaker 3: on Luke Waffle or getting beat out for Carter Meadows,
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  Speaker 3: if this was, you know, that the twelfth rank player
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  Speaker 3: in the number one corner by rivals, and some people
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  Speaker 3: have disputed that they're they're puffing him up. Okay, well,
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  Speaker 3: he's a number four corner at two four seven. And
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  Speaker 3: if that was a guy, right, if that was a
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  Speaker 3: guy on the board during that period and the Buckeyes
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  Speaker 3: landed him, it would have been a huge deal. As
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  Speaker 3: it stands, it kind of just snuck in at the
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  Speaker 3: end here and didn't really get the uh, the pizazz
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  Speaker 3: that a guy like that usually gets. But it was
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  Speaker 3: really interesting the way it went down, man, And it
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  Speaker 3: was a huge win for Wall, huge win.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And like, okay, so listed here at five ten
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  Speaker 2: and a half, I'm told he's a little bit bigger
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  Speaker 2: than that. I don't know that he's quite six foot,
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  Speaker 2: but I think he's a little bit on the on
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  Speaker 2: the higher end of of you know, maybe five eleven
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  Speaker 2: five eleven and a half, but just a tremendous football player.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna pop in some of his some of his
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  Speaker 2: film here and kind of let you guys look, but
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  Speaker 2: this is a guy who just makes plays. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: an absolute machine. Look at I mean physical. I'll tell
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  Speaker 2: you who he reminds me of in terms of his
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  Speaker 2: build and the way he played reminds me a ton
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  Speaker 2: of Denzel Ward. Reminds me a ton of Denzel Ward.
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  Speaker 2: And not like the Denzel Ward that got thirty seconds
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  Speaker 2: to decide if he wanted to take his Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: offer or not where they were moving on the Denzel
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  Speaker 2: Ward became an absolute star in Columbus and is a
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  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl calibal corner in the NFL that Denzel Ward.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 2: I love the way he hits, I love the way
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  Speaker 2: that he closes on ball carriers. I love the way
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  Speaker 2: he breaks on the football. I just think that tremendous, physical,
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  Speaker 2: instinctual corner.
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  Speaker 4: Mark.
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  Speaker 3: This guy could play wide receiver at a high level program.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he is legit. And we're talking about a
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  Speaker 3: dude who was a corner and in his senior year.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have very good corners on his team at
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  Speaker 3: Pine Ridge Pine Hills, they don't have very good or
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  Speaker 3: they don't have very good safeties, but they got some
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  Speaker 3: decent corners coming up behind him. Coach has him, how
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  Speaker 3: do you feel about playing safety this year? It could
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  Speaker 3: really help us out, No problem, coach.
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  Speaker 4: And he goes and.
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  Speaker 3: Plays safety for a majority of the year. And he's
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  Speaker 3: a stud safety, so corner, safety, wide receiver that could
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  Speaker 3: play high level P four wide receiver anywhere he wants.
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  Speaker 3: Just a ridiculously versatile athlete.
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  Speaker 4: Which that's again.
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  Speaker 2: No, he's gonturn upon two, isn't he?
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  Speaker 4: He does it all. He does it all.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, as look, you love the sons of
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  Speaker 3: these football players, right like Timmins was a.
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  Speaker 4: Dog and uh he's got that. He's got that about him.
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  Speaker 3: Man Timmins was a was a nasty dude out there,
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  Speaker 3: and uh and and Jay is certainly liked that as well.
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  Speaker 4: Loves to play football, loves to hit.
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  Speaker 3: As you see, that is a physical, physical corner And
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  Speaker 3: I know that, you know, obviously we know Tim Walton
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  Speaker 3: loves a six foot one cornerback and that's his ideal frame.
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  Speaker 3: But this dude, there is nothing that like. He makes
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  Speaker 3: up for it in so like so many different ways
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  Speaker 3: that he doesn't have that length. And you could just
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  Speaker 3: see with the athleticism he puts the clamps on everybody.
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  Speaker 3: And that's good football that they play in that in
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  Speaker 3: that region right there. So he's been tested and he
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  Speaker 3: is certainly a huge win for the Bucks pulling away
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  Speaker 3: from Florida State, his mom and dad's alma mater. And
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  Speaker 3: thanks to them for having such a such a fantastic
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  Speaker 3: year with Mike Dourvel down there that the Bucks were
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  Speaker 3: able to get in on that and just a massive
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  Speaker 3: win here at the end of the cycle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if I told you the day after the Alabama
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  Speaker 2: game that you know, right it's gonna flip Jay Timmins
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  Speaker 2: in this class he's gonna They're gonna flip the legacy kid.
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  Speaker 2: Who who's you know, Father's all my mother's alma mater.
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  Speaker 2: Just put the clamps on Alabama. I would have needed
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  Speaker 2: my probably needed my head examined, and and here we are.
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  Speaker 2: This was a tremendous pick up the way he different
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  Speaker 2: positions than his dad, but one thing his dad did.
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  Speaker 2: His dad, his dad was not like a huge linebacker
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  Speaker 2: like he was not like a six four and forty
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  Speaker 2: five like his dad played a lot bigger than he was.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the way Jay is. Again, different positions, but
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  Speaker 2: they play, they play bigger than what they are and
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  Speaker 2: you'd love to see that. But I just love the
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  Speaker 2: competitiveness and the versatility. Again, I I just they have
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  Speaker 2: filled this room with so many hitters and so many
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  Speaker 2: high energy, high you know character but also high like
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  Speaker 2: heat level type guys that it's hard to believe it's
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  Speaker 2: the same room it was, you know, like five years ago,
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  Speaker 2: when you know Tulsa's just you know, crushing them. It's
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  Speaker 2: just hard, it's hard to believe it's the same room.
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  Speaker 2: The turnaround has been incredible under this this group, this
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  Speaker 2: group of coaches, you know, and you know got a
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  Speaker 2: few other guys who were here before, but like the
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  Speaker 2: Tim Waltons Macerre's of the world, certainly you know Gyminals,
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  Speaker 2: Matt Patricia and Ryan Day as the head coach overseeing
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  Speaker 2: all this to turn this mess that it was when
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  Speaker 2: David zig Minosen transferred in into what it is when
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  Speaker 2: David davisnos is now leaving the program. Just incredible. I
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  Speaker 2: can't say enough about it.
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  Speaker 4: That's an incredibly interesting point mark when we look at.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously I G B in Germaine and what they bring, right, physicality,
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  Speaker 3: uh brash, right, and they got it all, they know it.
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  Speaker 4: They're confident, but they're good teammates.
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  Speaker 3: And on down the line to Aaron Scott, who you know,
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  Speaker 3: for those who didn't know that, that's a that's another big
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  Speaker 3: time talker. Bryce West a little more reserve, but a confident,
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  Speaker 3: great teammate. And then you bring in Devin Sanchez, who's
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  Speaker 3: you know, maybe not so Look, the competitiveness is through
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  Speaker 3: the roof, right, he doesn't yap as much, but uh, Jay,
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  Speaker 3: this is a this is a big time talker. This
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  Speaker 3: is a dude who is confident and uh obviously physical
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  Speaker 3: as heck as is his classmate Jordan Thomas at corner another.
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  Speaker 3: These two are both of them could you know, play safety,
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  Speaker 3: Like both of them could play safety. They are really
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  Speaker 3: physical dudes, and this room is full of guys who
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  Speaker 3: will knock your block off. We've seen Aaron Scott on
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  Speaker 3: special teams this year making some making some hard hits,
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  Speaker 3: which which you the physicality out of this room now.
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  Speaker 3: And boy, you're right, it is totally different now when
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  Speaker 3: we look at this class at twenty six mark with
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Thomas and with Jay Timmins. You know, last year
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  Speaker 3: you had Devin Sanchez and Jordan Woods. You end up
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  Speaker 3: with Jordan Woods as a project kind of guy, developmental
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  Speaker 3: guy in the end and a guy with you know,
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  Speaker 3: probably a low ceiling, right, but we're really high upside
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  Speaker 3: at six foot four. But years down the road maybe
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  Speaker 3: we see something at him. But even with Devin Sanchez
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  Speaker 3: the number one corner in the class in twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 3: this class, it's better with Jay Timmins and Jordan Thomas.
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  Speaker 3: So even trump that which I think is pretty damn impressive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this was an area of concern. Look, they've
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  Speaker 2: lost some guys from Ohio. They had Jacob Weathersman, d commit.
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  Speaker 4: It just.
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  Speaker 2: There were some angst here and to end up with
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  Speaker 2: the Tan, and they ended up with Again. I think
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna look back in three years. I think they've
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  Speaker 2: got two orders here, I really do. I think they've
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  Speaker 2: got two starting corners in this group, and they've done
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  Speaker 2: such a good job evaluating and identifying and it drives fans,
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  Speaker 2: I think nuts sometimes And it's understandable because you're not
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  Speaker 2: in the meetings, you're not in the facility every day
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  Speaker 2: kind of seeing what the coaches are actually doing. But
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  Speaker 2: they show incredible patience. Like when they you know, they
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  Speaker 2: lose what and everyone's like, oh, they gotta find a corner.
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  Speaker 2: Why they haven't found a corner, It's just like relax,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna go through our evaluation process and
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna find guys who can play here physically, who
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  Speaker 2: fit here culturally, and then we're gonna try and be
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  Speaker 2: opportunistic in terms of maybe some guys who are committed
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  Speaker 2: elsewhere are who may not be thrilled with their situations there.
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  Speaker 2: So like again it's the old Like as a Philly fan,
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  Speaker 2: this is kind of like a little bit of bit
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  Speaker 2: or sweet, but like it's kind of a trust the
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  Speaker 2: process type of thing. You just have to like let
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  Speaker 2: things play out sometimes. And as I always say, this
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  Speaker 2: is a results oriented business. So whatever it says on
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  Speaker 2: signing day in December is that's all that matters. How
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  Speaker 2: you got there really doesn't matter. No one's going to
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  Speaker 2: care in two or three years how this class arrived
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  Speaker 2: to Columbus. They're going to care if they've continued the
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  Speaker 2: tradition at Ohio State of winning football games. And so
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  Speaker 2: I just like this again is another example of just
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  Speaker 2: letting the coaches find the right pieces.
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  Speaker 4: That is no fun, Mark, that's no.
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  Speaker 2: Fun to get the five stars right away, and there
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  Speaker 2: can be no diverging from the initial plan and.
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  Speaker 3: Right the way they arrived at this in the end,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, we've we've kind of talked about the
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  Speaker 3: story of this class and how it went the way
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  Speaker 3: it did, and it's so exciting. It was so like
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  Speaker 3: Jay is one of these ones at the end here,
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  Speaker 3: which is just like man over the top excitement and
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  Speaker 3: it was so much fun for those of us who
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  Speaker 3: follow recruiting closely. Jay obviously kind of the feather in
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  Speaker 3: the cap here of these guys at the end. Certainly
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  Speaker 3: you know when we look at five star guys and
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  Speaker 3: I think kind of how how this has always gone
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  Speaker 3: for most people is if you are a five star
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  Speaker 3: by one of the major services you carry that label,
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  Speaker 3: you're a five star, and he is a five star
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  Speaker 3: via Rivals, which makes three five stars in this class
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  Speaker 3: of twenty twenty six. There were technically five or four
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  Speaker 3: last year that had the five star label by one
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  Speaker 3: service at least, And when we look at this year,
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  Speaker 3: Sam Greer literally rated number thirty three by Rivals, one
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  Speaker 3: spot out of five star range. When it's all said
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  Speaker 3: and done, they'll do one more update and we'll see
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  Speaker 3: if they make good on it.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe they do, maybe they don't.
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  Speaker 3: But literally, that's how close you are to matching that
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  Speaker 3: high level talent in twenty twenty five. And if they
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  Speaker 3: do that mark, I think these two classes are pretty
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  Speaker 3: much mirror images of each other.
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  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, they're very similar. Now we say that on paper,
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  Speaker 2: we've watched the twenty twenty five classes one of the
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  Speaker 2: most productive true freshman classes that we can remember, certainly
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  Speaker 2: in the last five or six or seven years. But
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  Speaker 2: even going I think further back, I mean, this has
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  Speaker 2: been a highly impactful and productive true freshman class. So
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  Speaker 2: there is going to be it's going to be a
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  Speaker 2: high bar for twenty six to have the same level
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  Speaker 2: of impact, especially coming in behind that group where a
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  Speaker 2: lot of those guys next year are going to be
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  Speaker 2: projected starters now in trying to kind of push that
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  Speaker 2: class as well. But this ended up in a great class,
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  Speaker 2: and it got there in a much different way than
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  Speaker 2: a lot of a high State previous classes have, where
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  Speaker 2: they've kind of got everything they were going to get
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  Speaker 2: by the end of the summer and then it was
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  Speaker 2: just kind of hold on to what you have and
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  Speaker 2: maybe add one or two guys down the stretch. And
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  Speaker 2: this was more of they were able to be a hunt.
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  Speaker 2: They were able to be hunters a little bit down
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  Speaker 2: the stretch with some spots available and some needs to fill,
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  Speaker 2: and they were able to flip some really good guys
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  Speaker 2: and able to pick up some some really good late
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  Speaker 2: editions more so than maybe they have in years past.
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  Speaker 2: So it arrived at a It arrived at the same stop,
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  Speaker 2: but it took a different route to get there. And
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of what I'll probably remember most about this
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  Speaker 2: class is is kind of the strange or different way
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  Speaker 2: it came about versus kind of what we've been used
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  Speaker 2: to seeing with Ohio State over the.
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  Speaker 3: Years, without a doubt, and I think it was so
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  Speaker 3: successful that we'll see it again next year. Maybe not
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  Speaker 3: quite to this degree where it's you know, ten eleven
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  Speaker 3: guys after the summer official visit period, but certainly more
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  Speaker 3: than we're used to which is two or three guys
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  Speaker 3: after the summer official visit period. But one final thought
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  Speaker 3: on Jay Timmins. For for those who love Jermaine Matthews
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  Speaker 3: big personality, you're gonna love this dude. Another corner with
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  Speaker 3: with that kind of that kind of brash, funny personality,
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  Speaker 3: an awestoin pickup for the Bucks, and a.
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  Speaker 4: Big feather in the cap for O. G.
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  Speaker 3: Walt as he once again pulls a number one corner,
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  Speaker 3: which is look, doesn't get better than number one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is This was a tremendous recruiting job
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  Speaker 2: by Ohio State. And again I think I think Jay
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  Speaker 2: Timmins is again one of the best players in this
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  Speaker 2: class for Ohio State. I think he's a guy who,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we'll see what the opportunities look like next year.
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  Speaker 2: How the depth chart kind of settles in, how the
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  Speaker 2: what what happens in the portal, in and out. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we'll kind of see how this all settles. But this
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  Speaker 2: is someone I think will have the kind of competitive edge.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously being a player's kid, he'll have the intelligence and
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  Speaker 2: the just the knowledge of the game and the understanding
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  Speaker 2: of concepts and schemes. I think he is a guy
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  Speaker 2: who could see the field next year for them, I
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  Speaker 2: really do so. We'll see, we'll see how things go,
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  Speaker 2: but very high on this one and thought this was
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: a great late pickup for the Buckeyes. Thanks everyone again.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: We are again getting close to the Cotton Bowl. Check
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: out Bucky Huddle dot com for all your Cotton Bowl coverage.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Tom Tony and Kevin working that and we'll be down
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: in Dallas for that matchup with the Miami Hurricanes. We
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: are also going to continue to roll out these capsules,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: get these all done, hopefully right around the time the
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Cotton Bolls ready to kick. But thanks everyone again for
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: watching and opening and we will be back here soon
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: with another one.