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Baywatch star Jeremy Jackson: His Journey From Crazy Hollywood Nights to Helping Others. · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: welcome back to Misunderstood. I'm your host, Rachel Yucatel. You
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  Speaker 1: watched today's guest grow up in front of your eyes
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  Speaker 1: on Baywatch, so you probably think you know him, but
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  Speaker 1: Jeremy Jackson is not that kid anymore. He opens up
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  Speaker 1: about growing up in Hollywood, his addiction issues, a couple
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  Speaker 1: of infamous reality show stints, his spirituality, and how everything
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  Speaker 1: brought him to where he is now, helping others. It's
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  Speaker 1: such an interesting and powerful interview that I had with Jeremy.
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  Speaker 1: We have so many mutual friends and it was such
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  Speaker 1: an honor to be able to sit down with him
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  Speaker 1: and connect in the way that I did. I think
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  Speaker 1: you guys are going to be fascinated by who he's
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  Speaker 1: become and what he's been through. And he really breaks
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  Speaker 1: down some interesting stories and talks all about what it
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  Speaker 1: was like to work with David Hasselhoff and Pamela Anderson.
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  Speaker 1: And he named drops a ton. Wait till you find
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  Speaker 1: out who he was up against, who almost got the
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  Speaker 1: part of Hobie on Baywatch instead of him. You're going
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  Speaker 1: to be floored. So sit back, get a drink, relax,
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  Speaker 1: and listen to our interview with Jeremy Jackson. Hey Jeremy,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited you're here. Thank you for joining Misunderstood.
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  Speaker 2: Aloha, good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: So you are vacationing in Hawaii. How is it over there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful. It's really unfortunate. My original plan was
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  Speaker 2: to go to Maui, an island that I know well,
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  Speaker 2: but of course there's the fires over there. So... We
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  Speaker 2: had really wanted to just keep going and volunteer, get
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  Speaker 2: our hands dirty, boots on the ground. But the state-enrolled
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  Speaker 2: locals included friends of mine that live on the islands
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  Speaker 2: that just don't come. They want everybody gone. Power is down.
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  Speaker 2: Phones are down. There's really no way to help other
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  Speaker 2: than donating water, backpacks, toothbrushes, stuff like that, the necessities.
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  Speaker 2: So we had to divert some stuff. But now I'm
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  Speaker 2: I'm in Kauai with a dear friend of mine, actually,
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  Speaker 2: Eric Neese, who I want to get you in touch
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  Speaker 2: with for your show. He'd be fantastic. I got some
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  Speaker 2: friends out here that are doing a ayahuasca ceremony with
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  Speaker 2: him on some sacred ground.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Are you going to do that?
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  Speaker 2: No, I've. I participated in them at the meditation level
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  Speaker 2: just doing breath work. They're beautiful ceremonies. It's powerful medicine.
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  Speaker 2: It's so powerful medicine that you can tap in and
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  Speaker 2: have an experience. I left my body for four and
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  Speaker 2: a half hours with no ayahuasca in my– crossed my lips.
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  Speaker 2: All I did is lay down on the ground and breathe,
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  Speaker 2: and it pulled me into the vortex. It can be
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  Speaker 2: amazing stuff, especially when done with somebody– who really channels
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  Speaker 2: that energy, who has a relationship with it, a real shaman,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so interested in that whole topic.
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  Speaker 2: How about you? Have you ever done it?
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  Speaker 1: I have not because I'm scared of throwing up. And
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  Speaker 1: so I'm, it's like a legit, like I'm petrified of it.
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  Speaker 1: When I was four years old, I ate poison berries.
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  Speaker 1: My mother gave me Ipecac. I, to this day, have
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  Speaker 1: never thrown up again, knock on wood. And it's like
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  Speaker 1: a fear of mine. But I know that they say
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  Speaker 1: that that means you're like purging some stuff in you
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  Speaker 1: and it would probably be good for me.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so attachment is the root of all human suffering.
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  Speaker 2: And you're attached to this idea of vomiting. Your trauma
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  Speaker 2: is officially your God. And it's like Jesus parts the
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  Speaker 2: clouds and comes down and reaches his hands and says, Rachel,
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  Speaker 2: come with me. You're like, but I'm a puke. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to hold on to this puke instead of having
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  Speaker 2: this spiritual breakthrough. I want you to put one in
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  Speaker 2: one hand and one in the other and tell you
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  Speaker 2: which one carries more weight to everybody else, right? Like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, no, I want the spiritual breakthrough. I
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  Speaker 2: want to be happy, joyous, and free. Nobody would choose
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  Speaker 2: to hold on to not vomiting if it takes vomiting, right?
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  Speaker 2: And this is why the Bible says it's easier to
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  Speaker 2: fit a camel through the needle's eye. than a rich
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  Speaker 2: man to get into heaven because a rich man represents
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  Speaker 2: he who has much possessions, he who is carrying load
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  Speaker 2: with him that cannot go through that small hole. So
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  Speaker 2: I love this example of taking something so small As
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  Speaker 2: I just, I don't want to vomit and looking at
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  Speaker 2: what it could be potentially costing you.
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  Speaker 1: I totally agree. You almost just made me tear up
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  Speaker 1: because that's such a good way to put it. I've
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  Speaker 1: never thought of it that way. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: And it has prevented me from doing all sorts of
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  Speaker 1: things my whole life, to be honest with you. So
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  Speaker 1: enjoying roller coasters, eating certain foods, going on trips. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's so dumb, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Well, maybe it's been beneficial to you over drinking. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: I do not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't get drunk because of it. I don't drink
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  Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, it's very true. But, but ayahuasca is
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  Speaker 1: something I've been super interested in. I want to do
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  Speaker 1: an episode on it because I think people are fascinated
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  Speaker 1: by it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I got your guy. I got your guy. He
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  Speaker 2: spent two years with the Shipibo Indians in Peru. He's
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  Speaker 2: been indoctrinated as an official, you know, tribesman. He's done
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  Speaker 2: over 300, ceremonies on himself. He leads people. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he moved to Kauai where he walks barefoot and he's
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  Speaker 2: just communes with nature and, and speaks truth and heals people.
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  Speaker 2: It's wonderful. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. So I have a question.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know, he's been doing it for 15 years.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So you got good.
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  Speaker 1: I cannot wait. So do you do, do you not
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  Speaker 1: choose to drink the medicine or whatever they call it
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  Speaker 1: because of where you are in your life with not
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  Speaker 1: doing drugs and not drinking?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, you know, I, I made a clear decision to,
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  Speaker 2: to really participate in this unenhanced, unaided. I mean, look, mushrooms, microdosing, macrodosing, LSD, microdosing, macrodosing, DMT, microdosing, macrodosing, ayahuasca, amazing,
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  Speaker 2: beautiful things. No doubt, no doubt holds true. breakthrough, realizations,
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  Speaker 2: enhanced cognition, no doubt. And I've done it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've done those things, minus ayahuasca and ibogaine. I've done
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those hallucinogens and had powerful experiences. But
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  Speaker 2: my most recent download, which was about three years ago,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I've had bouts of sobriety that were 12 years,
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  Speaker 2: three years, a couple times. So I've really spent most
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  Speaker 2: of the Last 22 years of my life, I've been
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  Speaker 2: legitimately 100% medication-free, clean, and sober for about 18 of them.
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  Speaker 2: But the last message I got was really clear, and
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  Speaker 2: it was like, there's parts of you that cannot be
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  Speaker 2: helped with exterior solutions. There is an inside journey that
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  Speaker 2: must happen raw. It must happen through emotional and spiritual, unaided,
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  Speaker 2: unabetted ways. unassisted medically or medicinally. So I've just been
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  Speaker 2: following that intuition, that download, and really seeking to heal
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  Speaker 2: in various other ways through meditation, through self-reflection, through studying
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  Speaker 2: various religions, through prayer, through meditation, through working with others.
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  Speaker 2: So in a roundabout way to answer your question. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I think obviously most people know your name because
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  Speaker 1: of the, because of Baywatch and because of Hobie on
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  Speaker 1: Baywatch and you were part of this iconic sort of
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  Speaker 1: one of a kind at the time, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: biggest show in television with a ton of stars.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I, before we talk about it, I just want
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  Speaker 1: to know like how you got there, how you got
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  Speaker 1: to the place where you were offered that spot on
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  Speaker 1: the shelf.
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  Speaker 2: So, you know, I got 120 something stitches in my
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  Speaker 2: forehead when I was a year old. So one year old,
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  Speaker 2: I was practicing my Michael Jackson dance moves. While I
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  Speaker 2: was still in diapers, I was obsessively, compulsively committed to
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  Speaker 2: my craft. I was going to sing. I was going
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  Speaker 2: to dance. It was in my blood. It was in
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  Speaker 2: my bones. I did ballet. I started ballet at three.
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  Speaker 2: I'm classically trained in dance. It was just my life.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know it was a job. I didn't know,
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  Speaker 2: but I knew I wanted to perform and I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to infuse and transmute energy from crowds. So anywhere I
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  Speaker 2: could get a spot on a table, I was dancing.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know how to tap dance. I'm pretending, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm watching Shirley Temple and stuff. I'm like, this is it.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I'm meant to do. So, you know, really,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not who I am because I was on Baywatch.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I got Baywatch because of who I was innately,
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  Speaker 2: you know, on a cellular visceral level. It's just who
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  Speaker 2: I was and what I had to do. I discovered
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  Speaker 2: that outlet early and I wouldn't stop. It was my
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  Speaker 2: It's what I ate, slept and breathed. And boom, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I get in front of an agent and they're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: you got to get this kid and stuff. I had a,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a poor single mom. We didn't know anything
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  Speaker 2: about the entertainment industry. She didn't know we were in
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  Speaker 2: Orange County. It's an hour or more away from L.A.
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  Speaker 2: And it was just kind of a random number on
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  Speaker 2: a bulletin board. Child actors wanted him. My mom's like, well, geez,
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  Speaker 2: he's such a ham, you know, and this was at
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  Speaker 2: five years old. So you just kind of put a
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  Speaker 2: shot in the dark up there. And then it was
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  Speaker 2: just a roller coaster ride of commercials and movies and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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  Speaker 2: It just flooded in. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: OK, so what was that like going to set the
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  Speaker 1: first day on Baywatch or actually your first?
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  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 3: for it?
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  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
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  Speaker 4: more cars for more dealerships than, like, anywhere else.
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  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
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  Speaker 5: It's Dune-A-D-L.
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  Speaker 2: Where?
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  Speaker 3: Dune-A-D-L.
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  Speaker 6: There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 4: Lift?
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  Speaker 2: Please.
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  Speaker 3: You going past Kimmage?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 6: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: That you ever were on I mean did you get
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  Speaker 1: nervous like tell me about.
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  Speaker 2: What that was like so the the first set I
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  Speaker 2: really was ever on was a Mattel color racers the
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  Speaker 2: little cars that change color okay um.
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  Speaker 1: I remember those. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I was so prepared. I mean, I loved Hot Wheels.
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  Speaker 2: I was obsessed with Hot Wheels already. I'm six years old.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've gone on maybe 10 or 15 auditions already.
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  Speaker 2: And here's my first one. So for 10 or 15 auditions,
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  Speaker 2: I've been telling myself, this is I'm going to get this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to get this. I'm going to get this.
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  Speaker 2: This is the one I'm going to get this. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, took a little bit of failure and boom,
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  Speaker 2: I get it. So I was so prepared, so dedicated,
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  Speaker 2: so astute, so, you know, pragmatic, shaking hands, looking, you know,
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  Speaker 2: grown men in the eyes that they hired me for
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  Speaker 2: six more commercials. I mean, they were like, you're the
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  Speaker 2: Mattel kid. Congratulations. You're the easiest kid to work with
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  Speaker 2: we've ever had. And I don't know how I knew
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  Speaker 2: to do that or it's just, you know, it just happened.
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  Speaker 2: It was cool. It was so cool. You know, imagine
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  Speaker 2: for a six year old kid to be who's obsessed
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  Speaker 2: with Hot Wheels. And then like getting Hot Wheels and
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  Speaker 2: free Hot Wheels and being at the Mattel factory, you know,
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  Speaker 2: was the neatest thing ever. Right.
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  Speaker 1: That must have been the coolest thing ever. All right.
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  Speaker 1: So when you found out you were getting Baywatch, was this,
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  Speaker 1: did you know what a hit this would be? Did
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  Speaker 1: you know who you were going to be acting with
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  Speaker 1: and the level of, you know, celebrity that you all
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  Speaker 1: were going to have one day?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I learned pretty early on you want
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  Speaker 2: to think positively, but you don't want to get your
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  Speaker 2: heart set on stuff because it's painful to let down.
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  Speaker 2: So if you don't get it right. However, I had
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  Speaker 2: been watching Knight Rider in my car seat. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I would get in my car seat and sit in
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  Speaker 2: it in front of the TV, you know, before we'd
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  Speaker 2: go on rides and stuff. I had a Knight Rider
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  Speaker 2: big wheel. So I was already playing Knight Rider as
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  Speaker 2: a cow was like, I mean, it was Elvis Presley.
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  Speaker 2: It was Michael Jackson. It was, and it was David Hasselhoff.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you could blend the three coolest people
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  Speaker 2: in the world together for me, it was that combo. And,
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  Speaker 2: and of course Rambo came in a little bit later.
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  Speaker 2: So you got like Stallone, a little Stallone, um, and David,
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  Speaker 2: a little David Hasselhoff, a little MJ and a little Elvis. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: those were my idols. And, um, So to be, I
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  Speaker 2: grew up at the beach. I already boogie boarded all
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  Speaker 2: the time. I was tan. I literally had sand in
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  Speaker 2: my shoes. I had sun streaks in my hair. And
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  Speaker 2: then you go to LA, you know, you got these
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  Speaker 2: Burbank kids who are shuttled in from God knows where
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  Speaker 2: with their perfect outfits and their flip, their stage moms.
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  Speaker 2: And they're like all drama trained. And I'm like coming
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  Speaker 2: in like this surf kid already with the single mom. Um,
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  Speaker 2: it was kind of like a match made in heaven
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  Speaker 2: for me, but, uh, I had no idea it was
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  Speaker 2: going to be a smash hit. Of course you want
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  Speaker 2: it to be, but, um, you know, it wasn't really, really,
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  Speaker 2: really a big deal for me, man. It was, I mean, I,
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  Speaker 2: it was six auditions, by the way. It was a
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  Speaker 2: lot of, a lot of, oh my gosh, yes, they
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  Speaker 2: like me. Oh my gosh, I'm closer. I'm closer. Like
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  Speaker 2: Leonardo DiCaprio and I were some of the last picks.
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  Speaker 3: No way.
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  Speaker 2: If not the two last picks. Will, I believe Will Horniff,
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  Speaker 2: who he was in the TV show Lassie, um, I
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  Speaker 2: believe just after Baywatch and Leonardo DiCaprio and I.
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  Speaker 1: So wait, time out, time out. You beat out Leonardo
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  Speaker 1: DiCaprio for the spot.
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  Speaker 2: I did. I did. I bet he's kicking himself now,
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  Speaker 2: isn't he? Poor guy.
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  Speaker 1: Poor guy. What a horrible downhill career.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So that must've felt good when you finally got it.
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  Speaker 2: It was amazing. And of course, I just got to
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  Speaker 2: hang out on the beach all day and do what
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  Speaker 2: I love to do and hang out with Knight Rider.
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  Speaker 2: As far as I was concerned, he was going to
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  Speaker 2: be my real dad and I was going to convince
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  Speaker 2: him and my mom to get married.
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  Speaker 1: How did that go?
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  Speaker 2: It didn't. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So, all right. But what was your relationship with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these actors? Did you get close to them?
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  Speaker 1: Were they distant because of the age?
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  Speaker 2: So, um, I, I honestly caused kind of a lot of, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: on the, on the set.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Uh, well, yes, there was a big age
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  Speaker 2: difference of course. And you know, the, my characters, um,
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  Speaker 2: notoriety was really kind of building. And in the early
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  Speaker 2: days of Baywatch for the, for the real Baywatch fans
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  Speaker 2: out there, uh, if you notice, you know, the first
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  Speaker 2: three or four seasons were really kind of family driven.
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  Speaker 2: There was a lot of, My character getting in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there was almost kind of a Mayberry, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Andy Taylor. What's that? What was that show with Opie? And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there was always like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about, right?
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  Speaker 1: Andy Griffith show.
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  Speaker 2: The Andy Griffith show. It's like, dad's not a cop.
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  Speaker 2: Dad's a lifeguard. Dad goes out to do his job
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  Speaker 2: and son's going to school and getting a little, little mayhem.
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  Speaker 2: And then dad comes home to teach son a lesson.
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  Speaker 2: There was kind of a lot of that in the show, um,
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  Speaker 2: which was amazing. So my character got to have cool
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  Speaker 2: girlfriends and they'd bring kids in to do stuff with me, um,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: skateboarding in Venice beach with, with, uh, other kid actors, um,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: But as far as the adults, Pam was, gosh, in
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: her early 20s when she came on the show. She
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: was a big sweetheart. Most everybody took you know, very
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: kindly and loving and supportive to me. I became friends
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: with everybody. We came somewhat of a dysfunctional family pretty
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: early on. David was of course, Knight Rider, you know,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: a millionaire icon. That's like, um, you know, probably annoyed
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: with working with this hyperactive kid that wants him to
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: be his dad all the time. So that was an
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: interesting dynamic.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: But was he kind to you? Did he take you
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: under his wing? Did he teach you how to act
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: at all?
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean, just watching the guy and yes,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: he did take me aside and teach me a lot
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: of life lessons. Um, he was, uh, he was a
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: powerful demonstration of what it, what it looks like to,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: you know, be kind of a God, you know? Um,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: which kind of set me up for failure. I would,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I would say later on, um, because, because holding that
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: standard of existence, um, is, is pretty high level, pretty
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: high functioning, um, And kind of the higher you are,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: the further you have to fall, essentially. So there was
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: that dichotomy of, yes, he was loving and supportive. He
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: told me things like, you know, no one's ever going
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: to believe in you as much as you believe in yourself.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: So he was on the phone with his agents and
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: his managers fighting for himself and kind of taught me
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: how to really fight for yourself. And he was always
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: very loving and very kind to his fans and took
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: time out. He taught me how to do that and
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: make it about, make it about your supporters and, um,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: you know, but also a busy guy with a busy
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: schedule and everybody out on his coattails. So being the
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: kid who just wanted quality time, um, was a little
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: sad at times, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: So you mentioned Pamela Anderson. What was it like to
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: work with her? Did you, you know, get to experience
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: sort of what she's come out talking about now, which
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: is that she wanted to be a serious actor. They
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: didn't really take her that seriously or would give her
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of her speaking parts were taken out because
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: of the way she looked essentially. Did you?
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Sure. I haven't seen any of it. I really haven't.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: And gosh, you know, what would I say about that?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I would say that when Pamela came on the show,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I think is when the producers really started tasting blood.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: It's like she was so hot that, that the ratings
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: did amazing things. And, uh, the, the fanatics, you know, we,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: we went from having a following to having fanatics, you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: people that would fly across the country just to get
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: a look at her across the yellow tape line, you know, um,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: David was already that type of star. Um, but she
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: added something extra. And I think it's when the producers
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: really became like sharks and And they began their quest
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: of finding the next Pam. It's just, just pack the
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: show with these lightning in a bottle, breathtaking beauties and
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: give the people what they want. They want to see
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: this fantasy of the most incredible people. Um, and I,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I love him. Sweetheart. I mean, just like such a
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: gentle and kind and delicate, wonderful person considerate. Um, However,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: she was a terrible actress. I mean, at the same time,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I don't blame them for not giving her more stuff.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: You know, it was almost uncomfortable to watch sometimes. Wow.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I would have done much different.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: As much as I love her.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get it. And did you ever see Tommy?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: However, look at Jason Momoa. Watch Baywatch Hawaii. Literally watch
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Baywatch Hawaii. Jason Momoa, terrible actor. Like, oh, my gosh. Like, ugh.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: And now he's incredible. So had they given her the
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: opportunity to grow and support her craft and had her
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: with private coaches, you know, could that have been different? Possibly. Right.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: So you never saw the documentary that came out or
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the made for TV movie about the sex tape. Did
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you ever follow that?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, I like that. Yeah, I was going to
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: say you were there and I like that you know
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: her how you know her. You don't have to watch
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: all that stuff. So eventually you go on and decide
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that you want to leave Baywatch. That was your decision,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: not theirs. Will you tell me a little bit about
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: what happened there?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, you know, I was 18 years old. The
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: car is beautiful.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Where did you end up going for it?
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: more cars for more dealerships than, like, anywhere else.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: It's Dune-A-D-L.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: Dune-A-D-L. There's an accent on the E.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Lift? Please.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Are you going past Kimmage?
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, Kimmage!
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: No.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: Dundale Cars.
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: 17... I had met a beautiful extra who was an
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Idaho import, a ballerina who was gorgeous and we fell
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: in love. And, you know, I started partying really hard
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: with her. I mean, I had been drinking and doing
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: blow and going to mansion parties and hanging out at
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the Playboy Mansion and stuff. I mean, 16 years old,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I was doing that. 14 years old, I was doing that,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: but really turned a corner when I met her. She
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: was already addicted to crystal meth. Um, do you know
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Bobby Brown? Yes. The model Bobby Brown. Yeah. You guys
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: are probably friends, right? Yeah. So, um, Bobby Brown was
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: taking diet pills back then, you know, no secret. I'm
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: not blowing her anonymity. She'll talk about that. And she
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: shared them with, uh, you know, my girl. So my
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: girl unbeknownst to me was addicted to crystal meth. I
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: run out of Coke, you know, the gentleman's drug. This
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: is a distinguished drug. This is what you do when
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: you're cool and have money. Um, and I do this
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: trailer trash, um, you know, stuff because I don't have
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: any more blow and we're like in a strange city. And, um,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: so I became addicted to that with her and, uh,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: highly and, and that drug just really ripped through me.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, it just got a hold of me. naturally
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: hyperactive attention deficit disorder you know neurodivergent you know slightly
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: autistic even you want to do whatever I got stuff
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: going on I got a busy brain and that stuff
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: just boom boom just put me in laser focus, man.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And so I had this money and these people wanted
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: me and needed me. And, you know, I'm kind of
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a extremist athlete mentality. Like I love that. I didn't
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: have to sleep. I love that. I could get my
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: to-do list done. And, um, you know, but one day
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I was up, I was, I hadn't slept in five
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: days and I really needed sleep and I had to
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: work the next day. And I would, it was so,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I was so anxiety ridden. I was like, holy shit.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: You know, like I can't retain any water. I haven't eaten.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I'm pale. I got to go to work. And, um,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: you know, I showed up, I, I didn't get high and, uh,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: you know, I joke around. I, I probably would have
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: been better if I would have just stayed high and
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: got through the day. But I was too weirded out
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: to be doing crystal meth in my trailer. Years of
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: being on this show and having this routine and knowing
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: how to hit my mark and show up and perform.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: They called me One Take Jeremy. That was my nickname.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: They loved me because we would just get it done
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: and we could move through the day. And here I am.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I've lost proper phonic pronunciation of words. My tongue's all
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: lazy in my mouth. My brain's going faster than my
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: body even will. It was so embarrassing. I was mortified.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: In that moment, due to resentments, due to feeling underpaid,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: due to the pressure of Growing up, puberty. I mean,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I was in that funky phase where I hadn't yet
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: filled out and become strong and buff and still acne.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: And plus, I'm on this extreme mind and mood-altering drug.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I'm riddled with fear and insecurity at the same time
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: of being paranoid and delusional. I mean, can you imagine?
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: You probably can.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I can.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And it was... soul crushing. So rather than own up
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: to it and ask for help, I, I literally, when,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: when I was taken aside and asked like, dude, what's
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: going on? This is like the 10th take. And, uh, So,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you know, I reacted out of I went on the offense,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: you know, I run on the defense rather. I went
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: on the defense and I told everybody to fuck off
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: and I don't need you. And I'm sick of this
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and I'm fed up with this. And and I walked
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: off the set and I was happy about it. I
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: was happy to cost them money. I felt like, you know,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: it was it was owed to them. And I had
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: a really downward spiral from there on. went pretty intense.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Did you have any regrets from doing that? Like the
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: next day, did you wake up and say, Oh shit,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: where am I going to get money from? Where am
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I at? What am I going to do next? Or
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that was not on your mind.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: So at that time, um, the movie, uh, I had
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: a million dollar offer for, uh, the, the street, the
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: guy who wrote walk to remember, uh, Uh, with Mandy Moore,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: it was a book. Um, I had a million dollar
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: offer on the table and he wrote that script with
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: me as the main character in mind. And they were like,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: this is yours. You don't have to audition for it.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: We already, we wrote the whole deal with you as
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: the lead. So I had a music career at that time.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: I had two top ten hits in Europe. So I
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: was thinking in my mind, I was like, screw you, mofos.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go make this million dollars and be
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a pop star. I never wanted to be the handsome
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: beach boy. I want to sing and dance. I want
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: to entertain. I want to grow my craft and take
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: these meaty roles. However, I was unable to suit up
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: and show up for those either. And I walked away
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: from those. Wow.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: So your drug addiction was really getting the best of
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you and you started to choose that over your career,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: it sounds like.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: There wasn't any choice, we'll put it that way. There
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: wasn't any choice. There was the illusion that I would
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: be able to stop and there would be a choice.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: At some point, I was going to put the plug
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: in the jug, as they say, and put my big
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: boy pants on. But I just couldn't do it. I
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: couldn't bring myself to.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I'm curious. You said you were raised by a single mother.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: What was her thoughts on what was happening to you then?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, man. I mean, she hired, you know, bounty hunters.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: She paid off friends to try to at least keep
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: an eye on me. She would try to locate me
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: every about once a year. I would go to rehab
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: and I would attempt to, you know, put myself back
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: together and get back on the horse, so to speak.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: But I would I would always fall, you know, as
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: as I believe any real addict. will without a sufficient substitute.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Right, right. So I'm wondering if you think that this
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: was partly because you grew up on screen. You know,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: you were part of Hollywood. You were a child actor.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And do you think that had anything to do with it?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: You know, life's a mixed bag of nuts, really. You know,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I would say it'd be easier to wonder if I
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: didn't get on TV, would I be in prison for... murder? Uh,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: would I have joined the gang? Would I, uh, have
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: done a school shooting? I mean, I was in the
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: grips of so much pain, uh, selfishness, self-centeredness, ego and pride.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know if it made it better
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: or if it made it worse. You know, one thing's
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: for sure. I made enough money to really go deep
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: and to be able to keep myself out of some
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: really big prison sentences. Had I not had that money,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: would I, would I be a product of the system?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: You know, would I be totally institutionalized by now? Maybe.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: So I'm not sure. Yeah. Cause I was on that
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: path far before. television. I actually believe that my deep
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: desire for approval and applause and feeling a part of
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: life by doing a good job was one of the
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: manifestations of that addiction before I knew that chemicals could
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: scratch that itch.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: That's really profound, actually.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about being in prison. You talk
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: about having these addictions. Was there something that was like
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a rock bottom for you where you really realized, okay,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: this is the end. I need to stop.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: So many rock bottoms, um, so many huge breakthroughs. Oh
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: my gosh, this has got to end and, and, and totally,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: you know, uh, left by the wayside. Um, you know, the,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: the pain and misery, um, defeat really in my experience
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: is not enough to hold the line. Unfortunately, I've gone
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: deeper after thinking I could never go deeper. And I
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: do believe that there's deeper, of course, to go. And sadly,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: the hopeless moments have usually been the biggest standout hopeless
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: moments are when there's handcuffs. on me and I'm looking at,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you know, at one time when I was 20 years old,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I was looking at 35 years in prison for manufacturing
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: methamphetamine because from 17 to 20, when I went on
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: my meth binge, you know, I had been, uh, you know, kidnapped,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: held at gunpoint, robbed, uh, conned, uh, manipulated and used, uh,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: just in two years that all my money was gone
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: and I had to start making this stuff for myself.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It didn't take very long
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: to blow through what was left. Um, anyway, looking at
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: 35 years in prison at 17, my life's over. I'm
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: 35 pounds underweight. My face is stabbed and picked. Um,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I look like Skeletor. That was my nickname. And, uh,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: And those cuffs go on and the cops say, what's
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: wrong with you, man? These are the Newport Beach police officers.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I grew up in Newport Beach. These guys know me. And,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: you know, what is wrong with you? What are you
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: doing to yourself, kid? And that was really one of
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the first times I realized, dude, I thought about it
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: for a second. What is wrong with me? I should
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: be driving a Lamborghini right now walking off the set
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: of Universal Studios. What is wrong with me? Why would
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: I be here in your Belinda hiding in a house
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: where there's this girl with her kid and her mom
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: and doing drugs? This is weird now that you mention it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: for it?
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: What's it called? It's Dune ADL.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: Dune ADL. There's an accent on the E.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Lift?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Are you going past Kimmage?
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: Oh, Kimmage.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: No.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: Dundale Cars.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Like, oh my gosh. For like... to get high for
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: like a hit for like the one more day. Like
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: in my mind, it was always just one more day. Like,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to do this just one, just today.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: It'll be done today or, or it'll be different tomorrow.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: So that was a huge wake-up call for me. And
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: at that point, that wake-up call was really induced or
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: even allowed to hit because I thought I was going
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: to prison for 35 years. And what was the point
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: of having hope? What was the point of trying to
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: change now? Because by the time I get out of
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: prison— you know, I'm going to be toothless with the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: shit beat out of me and I'll have swastikas on
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: my chest. This is going to be a holy nightmare.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Like if I want to survive in there, you know,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: this is okay. Well, I guess it's over. I guess
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: that is really over now. Maybe I should take a
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: look at it now that it's too late. Yeah. So,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: you know, I never want to be at that. It's
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: too late place again. I don't want to do that.
• 34:36
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  Speaker 1: h-e-l-p dot com slash understood um okay that's like so
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  Speaker 1: amazing you just had me speechless for a second so
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: you did rehab a number of times correct oh yeah
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: yeah um so you also did celebrity rehab did you
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: consider that um would you consider that a real rehab for.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: You actually i mean squeaky wheel kind of gets the grease,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: you know, and in my opinion, Dr. Drew took a
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: lot of time aside with me and I absorbed a
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: lot from those groups. I mean, he's a legitimate addictionologist.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, he really knows how us kind of a type, um,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: you know, overachiever types, especially the prettier ones or the faint.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, he has a really good understanding of how
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: we operate, um, both on a biological level, um, and
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: how the gene interacts with that. I learned a lot
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: from him, things that I still teach other people to
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: this day that have impacted my life. A hundred percent. Um,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I had been offered celebrity rehab multiple times, I had
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: a manager at the time who's a complete douchebag who
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: kept telling me, hey, it's a hundred grand. Just drink
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: a beer. You know, I'm like, dude, I've been sober
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: for seven years. I'm not going to drink a beer
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: just to go make a hundred grand, you know? And
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: then the next year, hey, it's a hundred. It's more,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: you know, just whatever. And then I think like season five,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: when I did it, I had been sober for at
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: least 10 years. And I was like, well, I'm not...
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I haven't drank or done drugs, but I inject a
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: lot of weird shit. I mean, from B vitamins and glutathione.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a million years ago or not
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: a million, but this is a long time ago when,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: you know, now lipotropic fat burning injections are super normal.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Now growth hormone, you can get on a fricking app,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? But at the time injecting
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: yourself a bunch of times a day with growth hormone and,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: you know, procaine solution, anti-aging, all this stuff, TRT, you know,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: back then it seemed like I was some kind of
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: gorilla weirdo. Um, now it's pretty socially acceptable. It's kind
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: of more normal, but I told him, Hey, I'll, I'll
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: make a big deal out of it. I'm pinning myself
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: with all this stuff. It looks crazy. Um, and he's like,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to go for it. And
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: they dropped the number down. But, um, so I went
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: in for steroid, uh, addicted to steroids, which, um, you know, that,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: that is a very slippery slope. You know, there, there, uh,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: there is, uh, a cost reward ratio there, there, there are,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: more so the obsession with self and or the idea
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: that if I get buff enough and ripped enough, then
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I will be happy. There is the, I can't go
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: out to dinners and or be as social because I
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: got to do two workouts a day and I'm on this,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: you know, zero calorie diet or whatever. Um, there are
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: aspects of that that can really cut you off from life. Um,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: and I, I did, I did definitely have a good experience. Um,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: with the staff there, Bob Forrest, Shelly Sprague, Shelly, I
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: still talk to Shelly. She's a beautiful human. She told me,
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: you know, that, you know, I was, I suffered from
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: sobriety with a small S that, that I didn't have
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: a capital S on my sobriety. There was like a
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: little gray area, nootropic that kind of made me feel,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: there was always something i was putting in the mix
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: that was potentially blocking me off from really being part
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: of or knowing that my side of the street was
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: clean um and that stayed with me for a long
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: time So I got gems for sure on that show.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I got gems and beautiful gifts from the staff there.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we'll talk about your opinion on reality TV,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: so to speak, in a little bit, because I want
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: to ask your opinion now that it's like all in
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: the news right now. But I, as we talked about briefly,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: was on Celebrity Rehab the season before you. And I
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: was asking if you had seen that season or you
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: knew that I was on the season, but I didn't
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: get an answer for you.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Tell me.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah. So. It's the weirdest thing because I
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: hear your name from multiple people. Oh, do you know Rachel? Oh,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: you must know Rachel. Rachel, you can tell. Rachel, you
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: can tell. And then people tell me about you. And
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: it's just so cool that we're finally on the show
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: and meeting and talking because, yes, I've heard that you
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: were on that season. No, I don't believe I've seen
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: that season yet. and or a couple episodes. But it's like,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: you're just one of those people that like knows a
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: lot of people. And we have like, I think a
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: few friends in common. So it's really, it's neat.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: But similar to you, I had a great experience. So I,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you know, first of all, my father had died of
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: a cocaine overdose.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: So I felt- My dad died of a heroin overdose.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So, um, I grew up being nervous about
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: how my personality, I might have an addictive personality. I
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: was sort of scared just like with the fear of
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: throwing up and the fear of drugs. It was very similar.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I was just scared of it. You know what I mean? So, um,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: so I went into the show when they asked me
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: to do it. I had just become famous because I
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: was in a little scandal at the time. Um, and, um,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: they were like, you should come on Celebrity Rehab. I
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: had just been asked to do Celebrity Apprentice by Donald Trump.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: And I really wanted to do that because I felt
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: like my name was all over the news at this point.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: It was 2009.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: And, um, I wanted people to know who I was.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: And I didn't think the way I was being represented
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: in the press was appropriate or true. And I had
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: really become a recluse from all that. It really affected me.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: And I eventually decided to do celebrity rehab, even though
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't feel like I had an addiction, so to speak.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: because I had a connection with Dr.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Drew.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: He sat down with me for 30 minutes and I
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: was like, this guy gets me. I need what he
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: can offer and no one else gets me like this.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: And I, I, I still have that relationship with him. Like,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like he just.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Please tell him I said, hi, I will. There's, I
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: have a big question for him. He told, he, he
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: explained to me the addiction gene, the warrior gene and
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: science and the mice and, and, the, how it's genetically
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: passed down and blah, blah, blah, blah. And he told
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: me the name of the book and I can't remember
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: what it is. And I've been emailing his pub, his,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: his manager or whatever, but I don't have the right
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: contact and I want to know what the name of
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: that book is. So please send him my love.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I will. I will ask him. I will get that
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: answer for you. And I even have a cell phone number. No,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I will give you his cell phone number after the show.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he'd love to hear from you.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: But my experience was so good. I was on there
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: for love addiction, which I thought was a complete joke
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: when I went in. I was like, this is so dumb.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: People are dying. Leif Garrett was on my show. He
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: was completely coming out of a, you know, a heroin
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: stint or whatever you call it. And was going through
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of withdrawal for the first five days or so.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Couldn't come out of his room. And I'm like, how
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: do I tell people I'm here for love addiction? This
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: is just embarrassing. But as time went on... I realized
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: it's a real thing and how it's affected me. And
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: then over the course of years, I really saw that
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that suffer from addiction, one of
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the addictions that it all starts with is your relationships, right?
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: And love addiction is a huge part of that. Some
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: people act out with sex addiction, which is different than
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: love addiction, but I really saw... how that had love
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: addiction had affected my life. And the point of this
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: whole story was that, um, you know, people talk about
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: reality TV being so produced and so fake. That was
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: not my experience. I had an amazing experience. I learned
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: a lot. I loved the group of eight that I
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: was with or seven and me. Um, unfortunately two of
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: those people are, are dead now.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: From Michael Starr. Was he one of them?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: No, he was, I think before me, it was Jason Davis.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: And Frankie Long.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Jason Davis.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Jason Davis. Yep, I knew him. Yep.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: So who was on your show?
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: for it?
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dada's connections with. They have more
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: It's Dunaidial.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Done Deal Cars.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Lyft?
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Please. You're going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: No.
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: Done Deal Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: We had Dwight Goodman.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love him.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Picture... Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had... What, the Long Island Lolita?
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, Amy Fisher.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Amy Fisher.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: How is that?
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: We had... It was very strange. Her husband threatened to
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: kill me, to bury me live on camera. I made
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: a joke. We were all at a dinner table. It
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: was actually my sister. No, it was me. And I
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: brought her up because I don't know. Have you seen
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: the Addams Family?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: The original Addams Family Wednesday pulls out a pack of
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: serial killer clothes. playing cards. And she's like, I'll trade
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: you an Amy Fisher for a, you know, whatever. And
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I just, I thought that was cool, you know? And
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I brought it up at the dinner table and they
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: were so freaking mad. And it was like such a
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: sore subject. Like I'll trade you a Jeffrey Dahmer for
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: your Amy Fisher.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's freaking cool.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: But it's years like you haven't moved past that, you know,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: like obviously they hadn't. And her husband wanted to kill
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: me and be threatened to bury me. And there was
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: almost a big fight. Meanwhile, I'm 200 pounds and I'm
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: a 14 time Brazilian jujitsu champion. I would have crushed him.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: So I take it you don't still speak to her.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: No, definitely not. It was Michael Lohan. Yeah. Who, as
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: you know, is quite the whirlwind himself.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: And Stephen Adler from Guns N' Roses. Yeah.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: He was my next door neighbor in Vegas for many years.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, really? Yeah.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: He's a great guy. He's a precious little thing for sure.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: And that actress from Blue Lagoon. She has a guy's name.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: You mean Brooke Shields?
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: No. No, maybe not Blue Lagoon. It's another movie with
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: the same guy. I forget her name.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, whatever.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: But I think she passed away recently.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, from drug addiction?
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: I think she... She was definitely an alcoholic for many years.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know if she died sober or complications due
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: to alcohol. Oh, wow. Ryan something? No, I don't know her.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I forget her name. Well, that's okay.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: And then you also did some other reality type shows.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: You did Celebrity Big Brother, correct?
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That was the worst thing ever.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I know you got into a little trouble there
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: at the end, but before that, did you not appreciate
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: being on the show? Was it just a nightmare?
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I was so excited to be on that show. I
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: was so looking forward to it. I had made my
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: own custom clothing line. I had, uh, a lot of
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: big plans and, um, the staff was really cool. The
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: hotel was beautiful. The payday was fantastic. I really needed
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: that escape, uh, in my life at that time. It
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: was like my big hail Mary. It really put me
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: back on track. I had a lot invested into that
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: production and, um, You know, the God's honest truth, dude,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I got completely hoodwinked, man. Completely hoodwinked and screwed. Viacom just,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: they just, oh, man, gnarly. I was all alone out
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: there in the sea. No manager, no agent, no freaking lawyers. And, man,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I got the book thrown at me. It was gnarly.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: It was such a bummer.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Um, and did you feel like the, you know, what
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: you did was as bad as they made it seem?
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I know for a fact it wasn't. Really? Um, yeah.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: So the girl, uh, I forget her name. Uh, the girl,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: and I who got into the, the issue in question,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: we had the same manager and her and I had
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: dinner together and she came to play pool with me
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: at my hotel before the show started. And her and
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I were not supposed to know who's on the show.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Nobody's supposed to know who's on the show. It's supposed
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: to be all super secret, but the manager from out
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: there who managed her also said, yeah, We're going to,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: we're going to, let's, I want you guys to do
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: some stuff. Let's team up, you know, let's create some love,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah. And, and, and some romance. Let's, you know,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: let's steam it up. Um, you know, first and foremost,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: had I not have been drunk, had I not have
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: been stoned, had I not have been on Valium, you know,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: this would not have happened. So I take accountability for that.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I made the mistake of being out of sorts, drunk and,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: you know, Every time in my life, historically, empirically proven,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: every time I'm buzzed or drunk and stoned, bad things
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: happen to me, period. And the insanity of this thing
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: is I tell myself this time it'll be different. I'll
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: manage it. I'll control it. Anyway, we're on there. And
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: I think it was the first day. Oh, gosh. The
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: first or the second or the third day, right? And, um,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: you know, she had a bathing suit line that she
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: wanted to promote. She was launching a bathing suit line
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: and she was launching it on this show. It was
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: her big come out for her new bathing suit line. Now,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: mind you, all of her bathing suits were prototypes. It
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: wasn't in production yet. Yeah. The prototypes. And, um, she had, uh,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: We were in the jacuzzi together and she had a
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: bathing suit malfunction where her bottoms completely popped off.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, Jeremy, Jeremy, will you, will you tie me, please?
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: My bottoms have seemed to have fallen off. So I'm like,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: you know, cameras are all around. I'm like, oh, all right.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: I see where you're going with this. You want to
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: talk about your bathing suits, right? And sure, I'll do that.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: and uh you know so then we're hanging out and
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: you know so she comes out in a new bathing
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: suit oh that one malfunctioned she's got to change it
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: it's a new bathing suit and um in the first
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: 48 hours she had four bathing suits on you know
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: because she wants to showcase her bathing suit so i'm
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: just reading the room here right mind you i got
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: my own plans i want to do stuff too and
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: uh anyway i when the drinks come out at the
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: end of the day, it's a tray with a red wine,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: a vodka tonic, a rum and Coke. And like, I
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: don't know, Jack can diet. Let's just say that. I
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: don't really know what it was, but me being Mr.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: You know, consider it. Oh, you guys go ahead. Now,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: mind you, I'm craving a drink bad. Right. But I
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: let everybody go first and I get the last drink. Okay.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I don't remember what it was. It might have been
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: the rum and Coke. And, you know, they don't want
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: you to get drunk on the show, supposedly, is what
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: they say. You know, and 30 minutes later, another tray
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: comes out. You know, oh, no, I'll just, you know,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: don't get what you like. Everybody's got preferences. I really
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: have no preference as long as I'll just take whatever.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I get like a red wine. You know, 30 minutes later,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: another tray comes out. I get like the Jack, whatever.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I had three different types of alcohol with three different
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: types of mixers. And I'm on a Valium and I
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: ate weed butter. So all of a sudden I'm sitting
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: there and I'm like, oh, I don't feel good. You
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: know that feeling, right? Well, you don't.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say, but I know what
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: you're talking about. I have plenty of friends who have
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: been there.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I do not. I do not like to puke either.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: But there's that spot where you're fine. You can speak fine.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: You know everything that's going on, but you're getting nauseous.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: And I think it had to do with, of course,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: being an empty stomach and being on Valium. Valium really
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: enhances the effect of the alcohol. So I don't say
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: anything to anybody and I go get a liter of water.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm going to go puke a few times,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: drink the water, maybe puke again, rehydrate, no harm, no foul.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: You know, nobody will be the wiser. I just need
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: to get this three different types of sugar and three
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: different types of booze out of my stomach. That was
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: a terrible idea.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: So there's no locks on the bathroom. There's no cameras
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: in the bathroom. And in our contracts, it's really, really
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: clearly stated that no two members are allowed to be
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: in the bathroom at the same time because there's no cameras.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: One person is allowed in the bathroom, period. Okay. Clear-cut rule.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: So I go in the bathroom and I close the
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: door and I put the back of my foot against
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: the door because there's no lock on it. I get
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: on all fours and I puke. Thank God. Thank God.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I was spinning, but it's going to be over now
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: because I'm puking. Drink a bunch of water, puke again. Okay,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: probably got puke hanging in my beard. I'm sitting there
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: like that little cold sweat. I'm glad that's over. I
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: hate puking, but at least I won't be spinning now.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: And they start pounding on the door. Jeremy, are you okay?
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Are you okay? Let us in. Let us in. I'm fine.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I'm fine. This is not my first rodeo, guys. I'm fine.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Leave me alone. Leave me alone. I'm fine. Please, no.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: And they literally force their way into the bathroom. Four people.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting there sweating, uncomfortable. I don't want to be
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: seen like this. I don't want to be tended to.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: I just want to compose myself. Everybody leaves. She stays.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Closes the door. Gets down on the floor with me,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: patting my head. Okay. No, no, no. I'm fine. Really,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: I'm fine. She has a robe on. And, uh, I
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting there. I probably wanted to change the subject
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: or something. I don't know. You know, and I, I
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: grabbed her, her robes like this and I grabbed her
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: robe and I go, what bathing suit are you wearing
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: this time? Right. It was a joke. Like I thought
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: for sure she had a bathing suit on. Right. Because
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: she had been in bathing suits all the time. Why
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: would she be walking around naked in a robe and
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: busting in the bathroom, right? So which one is it
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: this time? Her and I's little inside joke that we
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: had been doing all the time, okay? Yeah. Covering up
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: another bathing suit with a rope so you can do
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: another big reveal. Right.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Lo and behold, she had no bathing suit on this time.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Lo and behold, no bathing suit. I see the top
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: of her bosom, not even the nipple. Mind you, she
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: is a topless model. That is her job. That is
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: her job to show her breasts in the, in the magazine. Yeah. Um,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: She walks out and I don't know how or why
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: is acting sniffly. And Perez Hilton comes out and makes
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: this huge deal out of it. Right. So I come
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: out and I'm not defensive because I wasn't trying to
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: be sexual. I wasn't trying to be aggressive. I didn't
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: have an idea in my mind. Like, Hey, pukey face,
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Jeremy wants to kiss you right now. And this is
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: a move. No, this is like, we're buddies and we're
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: working together. We're partners in this. Right. And I'm making
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: a joke with my partner. What's this ploy about? What's
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: this bathing suit ploy about?
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: And, and, uh, So I tell the truth. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: I tugged on it. I pulled her rope to the
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: side to see what bathing suit she was in. Of course,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: nobody gets that. It probably sounds like a lie. And
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: a viewer at home who only hears the conversation, no cameras,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: nobody saw anything, calls and says, I witnessed a sexual
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: assault on television. A lie. Now, because the police are involved,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: the police must come to the house. They must. They
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: have to investigate.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: And they're filming all this? I mean, this is all
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: on TV.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: And they're filming all this. Now, of course, I'm not
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: going to lie because I don't believe I have anything
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: to cover up. Yes, I was on the bathroom floor.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: They burst their way in there. We have this running joke.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I wanted to see what bathing suit she was wearing.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: And I moved the lapel of her robe to the
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: side while she was on all fours in my face,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: patting me with a tissue. Right, right, right. Oh, lovey. Oh, lovey. Oh,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: you're feeling okay. Which bathing suit is it this time? Oh,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: it's not a bathing suit.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: So you get arrested. That's what you got arrested for?
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I got arrested for sexual assault, kicked off the
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: show and docked all my money.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that part.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Wait. Okay.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Which brings me to a perfect question for you though.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Like imagine I'm actually shocked this happened back then because
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: that was quite a long time ago. You see this
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: reality reckoning now. I don't feel like you saw that
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: kind of thing back then. Don't you think that was
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: rare for someone to take such a stance back then?
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe this was the start of it, but
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: every reality show I've ever watched is people freaking smacking
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: each other on the butt, getting wasted and making out
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: and being absolute trash.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: So what are your.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Getting in fistfights. I mean, you see people getting in
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: actual fistfights and not going to jail.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Right, of course.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Right? Right.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on this, you know, this
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: movement that Bethany has made to get... reality TV stars
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: unionized and maybe some back pay for all the things
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: they've had to go through. Are you on team Bravo
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: or team Bethany?
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: I do not watch. television. I have no idea what's
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: going on. I don't even know who Bethany is.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, Bethany Frankel.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: No clue.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: That's a soundbite in and of itself. That's pretty interesting.
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: I'm probably saving myself from a lot of bullshit.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: No, of course. But you have no interest in being
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: an actor anymore, it seems, correct?
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Yeah. Okay.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: And do you feel.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: I had it. I had it all. I'm not going
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: to clamor to get what was already mine back. It's like,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: take it. I made my bed and I'm going to
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: lie in it and I'm definitely making the best of it.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm in Kauai.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, you really are though, because
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like the life experience that you've had so
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: far has been very full with many ups and downs.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: But now what you're doing... you couldn't be doing it
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: without having gone through what you went through. And so
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: you're in a place right now where you're helping people
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: who are at their, sometimes their worst, their rock bottom.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: You've been there and they probably couldn't get further without
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: you at this moment sometimes. So I think that's pretty
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: powerful and probably more fulfilling sometimes than being applauded and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: loved on a TV show where people don't even really
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: know who the real you is, I would assume.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the hit. you hit the nail on the head.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: I couldn't say it any better. Good.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: So tell people what you're doing now, just so in
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: case they want to find you, reach out to look
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: for you, what, where can they find you?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Please find me, please reach out. Uh, I'm on Instagram.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: I think I'm going to start a TikTok soon. Um,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: people are telling me I need to, cause I'm a
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: ham and silly and whatever. Um, But it's at Jeremy
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Jackson Fitness. I have a new website launching Jeremy Jackson Fitness.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: And we will be doing, you know, retreats, meditations. You know,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: I've been diving deep into quantum mentality, mindset, spiritual development,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: breathwork meditation, really trying to, you know, of course, enhance
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: my awareness and my consciousness of how absolutely wonderful and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: beautiful life is. and work to eliminate any of the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: pieces of me that are keeping me from that oneness
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: and from an attitude of gratitude on a daily basis
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: because that's all they really are. They're perceptions and preconceived
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: ideas that I have that I made along the way.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: And if they're not working to excel my life and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: the lives of others, then why do I have them around?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: And those things need to be looked at under a microscope.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: I got to really get the mirror out and just
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: continue to discover and discard anything that's keeping me off
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: from being absolutely happily, joyous and free. And that's every
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: single person's divine birthright, man. And the only thing cutting
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: us off from that is us and what we think
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: we know. So the quest, you know, whether you're finding
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: me on Jeremy Jackson fitness or at Jeremy Jackson on
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Instagram or, um, you know, on Facebook or whatever it is, um,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm looking to build an army, man. I'm
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: looking to build an army and raise the collective consciousness
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: through love and acceptance and continual growth because, you know,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: the work unfortunately never ends. It's always continuous and there
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: are going to be struggles, right? But there's always room
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: to grow. And that's it. Once you accept a couple
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: of those non-negotiables and really start linking up, joining together,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: creating more interdependence. So many people out there have, have
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: strong suits that we need. Um, and so many people
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: out there have weaknesses that we've overcome and it's really
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: in that universal energy flow, that loop of giving and receiving,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: sharing altruistically what you have and allowing other people to
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: gift you with wisdom through their own experience that you,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: you can really start to rise on this type of
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: spirituality and of, of mindset and awareness. Um, Because we
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: only know what we know and we'll only get what
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: we get if we continue to believe in what we
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: believe in and make efforts exteriorly based off our interior knowledge.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: And as you raise the interior frequency and experience and experience.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: expansion of that. All of a sudden the outside starts
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: changing and you're like, holy shit, this is a new experience.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: This is different. This is better than it used to be.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: And then that just sends you on this mystery journey of, wow,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: what else is waiting? What else is more that I've
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: been limiting? And then like, that's fricking God, dude. Like
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: what the heck? This is really fun. And it's just
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: purpose-driven and I love to live this life. Wow.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: So I just want to say you're very inspirational.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: I see you.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: I think you're amazing.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: You spot it because you got it, girl.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: And maybe one day you will come with me. You
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: can breathe. Maybe I'll be doing ayahuasca.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Where are you?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: I'm in Palm Beach.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Where are you?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Palm Beach.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, Palm Beach. Oh, cool. My mom was in Florida,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: so maybe I'll come out and visit you there.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: I would love that. I would love that. I can't
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: wait to meet you in person. I feel like we
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: are friends now and It is my honor to be
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: your friend. Thank you. Hugging, hugging, hugging. And I wish
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: you the best. Thank you so much for doing the show.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone will be truly inspired by what you
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: had to say.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: My pleasure. Love you.
• 1:04:41
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• 1:04:53
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• 1:05:16
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• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: for it?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: It's Dunaidial.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Where?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: Dunaidial. There's an accent on the E.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: Do you mean.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: Lift?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: Dundale Cars.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.