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Live from CSU's Coca-Cola Space Science Center! · Made of Stars

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  Speaker 1: Warning. The following podcast contains an entertaining look at astronomy, physics,
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  Speaker 1: and space news throughout the known universe. Listeners have been
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  Speaker 1: known to learn about astronomical phenomenon, the scientific method, and
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  Speaker 1: expanded vocabulary to include terms like quasar asterism and uranus. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead. When Made of Stars, made them Stars.
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  Speaker 3: Made When Maida Stars Media, you could be from high
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  Speaker 1: We're on.
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  Speaker 4: Stars, Whens, Welcome to Made of Stars Live.
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  Speaker 2: There we go.
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  Speaker 5: This is our first run at doing a show live
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  Speaker 5: in front of an audience. I am seated here next
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  Speaker 5: to my good friend, doctor Sean Cruise, an executive director
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  Speaker 5: of Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center, where
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  Speaker 5: we are set up doing the show live on a
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  Speaker 5: Saturday night during a college football game of some import
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  Speaker 5: to at least some people in town.
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  Speaker 2: No one in this room. And I am Wes Carrol.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just he's the executive director and an astrophysicist and
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  Speaker 5: all that fun stuff. And I'm Wes Carol, just a
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  Speaker 5: nerdy guy who got into broadcasting and likes all of
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  Speaker 5: this space stuff. So here we are ready to do
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  Speaker 5: a show for you guys. Thank you guys for being
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  Speaker 5: here tonight. We thought, with the invitation of doctor Troy
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  Speaker 5: Keller and the Department of Earth and Space Science has
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  Speaker 5: invited us to do this show in a different format,
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  Speaker 5: and we thought, well, why not do it here in
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  Speaker 5: this particular venue, in this particular room here at the
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  Speaker 5: cocolasp A Science Center.
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  Speaker 2: So with that, I welcome in Sean and Sean. Here
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  Speaker 2: we are.
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  Speaker 5: It's finally here. Made of Stars, Live Wells. We've been
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  Speaker 5: talking about this for quite some time.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't know exactly how this was gonna go, but
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  Speaker 2: right now I think it's going swimmingly. So far, so good,
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely swimmingly and waiting to use that word all week swimmingly. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I've got a.
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  Speaker 5: Word we're gonna use in a few minutes quite a bit,
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  Speaker 5: and it's not a word we say a lot on
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  Speaker 5: this show. Aliens. We're gonna get to aliens in this show.
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  Speaker 5: So we have two alien stories somehow, and it's not
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  Speaker 5: the movies. We've talked more about the alien movies, I think,
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  Speaker 5: than actual aliens on the show over the years. But
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  Speaker 5: we have two like legit alien stories.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they are legit that's the thing. We try
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  Speaker 2: to keep a high level on this particular podcast for fact, right,
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  Speaker 2: and we try to say we try to in fact,
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  Speaker 2: one of the things we like to tell our audiences is, hey,
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  Speaker 2: that's clickbait. Don't pay any attention to that, right. But
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  Speaker 2: yet I find ourselves in this position west where we
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  Speaker 2: have two alien stories on the same podcast.
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  Speaker 5: We also don't typically talk about politics, and we're going
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  Speaker 5: to start with a story that involves politics.
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  Speaker 2: We are allergic to politics this on this podcast.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we avoid it as much as we can,
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  Speaker 5: but it does sometimes roll into this, just like aliens
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  Speaker 5: sometimes roll into what we do, and they're really like
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  Speaker 5: they may even be just zooming right into it apparently.
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  Speaker 2: But we'll get to that coming up.
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  Speaker 5: Let's start with this, this story, this one that touches
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  Speaker 5: on politics, because it's about a very special artifact that
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  Speaker 5: is supposed to be preserved forever as is, and we
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  Speaker 5: have people that want to chop it up and move
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  Speaker 5: it around.
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  Speaker 2: What we want to do in the museum industry is
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  Speaker 2: we want to take artifacts that were essential parts of
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  Speaker 2: the American space program here at Space Science Center and
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  Speaker 2: preserve them literally for all time if possible, Right, at
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  Speaker 2: least as long as they're in our care. We want
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  Speaker 2: to take care of the pieces that you see out
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  Speaker 2: in the gallery of this very facility so that the
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  Speaker 2: next generation can know and understand and see and have
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  Speaker 2: a tactle experience with actual artifacts. Well, when the American
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  Speaker 2: Space Program decided to shut down the shuttle program, the
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  Speaker 2: Space Shuttle program, they did this, they said, look, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to give the four existing space shuttles away, and
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  Speaker 2: the Space Shuttle Endeavor was given away to the California
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  Speaker 2: Science Center. California Science Center is going to be a
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  Speaker 2: fantastic vertical display of that particular shuttle. They're working on
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  Speaker 2: that right now. Then the Space Shuttle of Atlantis was
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  Speaker 2: given away to the Kennedy Space Center's Visitor Center. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if you've been down and seeing that. That's
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  Speaker 2: one of the greatest museums in America. Quite frankly, friends,
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  Speaker 2: and Space Shuttle Atlantis is tilted. It's on kind of
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  Speaker 2: an interesting pitch the way they tilted it to display it.
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  Speaker 2: And then of course there's the Space Shuttle Endeavor. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: that's in California Space Shttle Enterprise, which never went to space,
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  Speaker 2: but it was doing drop Tests that sits on the
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  Speaker 2: Intrepid Air and Space Museum. That's an aircraft carrier in
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  Speaker 2: the Harbor in New York City. Okay, So all of
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  Speaker 2: those were put in displays where there were some liberties
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  Speaker 2: that could be taken into to make them attractive, to
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  Speaker 2: make them exciting. But the one that they wanted to
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  Speaker 2: actually preserve like a time capsule was Space Shuttle Discovery.
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  Speaker 2: That's the one that they wanted to keep intact as
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  Speaker 2: original as they possibly could. They gave it to whom
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  Speaker 2: the Smithsonian. Right, so it is in the Udvar Hazy
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  Speaker 2: Center in Washington, d C. That's near Dulles Airport. It
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  Speaker 2: is being preserved for all time, making sure it stays
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  Speaker 2: as original as it possibly can for all time. Break
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  Speaker 2: out the chainsaws. Until recently, you see, there was a
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  Speaker 2: certain piece of legislation that was passed had the initials
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  Speaker 2: OBBA of three b's OBBBA. That's One Big Beautiful Bill Act, friends.
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  Speaker 2: And in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, there is
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  Speaker 2: finances to take the Space Shuttle Discovery from the Smithsonian
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  Speaker 2: to the Johnson Space Space Center Houston to put on
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  Speaker 2: display in Houston, Texas. Now, look, Johnson Space Center is
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  Speaker 2: headquarters of the astronaut program. I think they probably should
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  Speaker 2: have had a shuttle when we were dealing out shuttles, right,
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  Speaker 2: they probably should have gotten one. It was probably a
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  Speaker 2: political baseball at that time that they didn't get a
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  Speaker 2: shuttle to put on display.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if you're handing out shuttles and they were,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you would think Johnson would at least be
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  Speaker 5: able to.
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  Speaker 2: Get a space shuttle, and you get a space shuttle,
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  Speaker 2: not you, Johnson Space Center.
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  Speaker 5: So part of the complication with this is that they
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  Speaker 5: used to have this method of transporting the shuttles. It
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  Speaker 5: would piggyback it on top of a shuttle transporter.
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  Speaker 2: It was that aircraft. If you want to see a
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  Speaker 2: model of this right out in front of the the
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  Speaker 2: nose of our Space Shuttle Odyssey out in the exhibit
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  Speaker 2: gallery looking at a case, there's a model of space shuttle
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  Speaker 2: sitting on the back of a Boeing seven forty seven,
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  Speaker 2: which is the transport plane. They could fly these shuttles
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  Speaker 2: around back then. But see the problem is they have
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  Speaker 2: now mothballed all of the seven forty sevens capable of
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  Speaker 2: carrying a space shuttle anywhere. So how do you get
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  Speaker 2: a shuttle from Washington, DC to Houston, Texas. It requires
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  Speaker 2: a chainsaw. Friends. Yeah, so that's the plan. The plan
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  Speaker 2: is to cut up Space Shuttle Discovery, the one pristine,
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  Speaker 2: keep it the way it was for all future generations.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to chop it into pieces and mail it FedEx.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, so, I mean, I'm just sitting here
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  Speaker 5: trying to understand, Like, did they miss the memo.
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  Speaker 2: About preserving it? Yes, Okay, I'm gonna go at that.
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  Speaker 2: Answers that. So, so, okay, what did the Smithsonian do? Well?
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  Speaker 2: They started an effort to try to stop this happen. No, no, please,
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  Speaker 2: don't do this. There's a reason it's here. We want
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  Speaker 2: to preserve it. Okay. So, the latest Space story this
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  Speaker 2: week regarding this whole situation is that John Cornyn Ted Cruz,
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  Speaker 2: both Senators, and Representative Randy Weeber from Texas have actually
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  Speaker 2: they've actually reached out to the Department of Justice to
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  Speaker 2: investigate the Smithsonian for violations of the Anti Lobbying Act
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  Speaker 2: using federal dollars to lobby for their cause. And see,
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  Speaker 2: here's the problem. The problem is now we have US
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  Speaker 2: senators basically taking legal action against the Smithsonian so that
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  Speaker 2: the Space Shuttle Discovery can be chopped up and sent
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  Speaker 2: in pieces to the Johnson Space Center.
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  Speaker 5: So there's no way to put this on Like, it's
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  Speaker 5: too big to put on a truck, it's too big
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  Speaker 5: to transport on a train, it's too big to transport
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  Speaker 5: on anything else. It has to be disassembled.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and then that would leave no pristine models
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  Speaker 2: left because we've allowed these museums to do all these
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  Speaker 2: kind of creative things with it. See the problem. And again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not up here saying, oh, this party's bad or
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  Speaker 2: that party's bad. Johnson Space that probably should have gotten
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  Speaker 2: a Space shuttle, right. All I'm saying is, are we
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  Speaker 2: really gonna cut up Space Shuttle Discovery with a chainsaw?
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  Speaker 2: Are we really gonna do that? America? Apparently apparently we're
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  Speaker 2: moving toward.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it was just Halloween yesterday as we're recording this,
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  Speaker 5: So if you're gonna start hacking up stuff with chainsaws,
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  Speaker 5: it seems like it tis the season, just not that.
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  Speaker 5: So is what is ultimately where this is gonna head?
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  Speaker 5: Do we think it's gonna actually make it to Johnson
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  Speaker 5: or do we I mean, is this well.
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  Speaker 2: Political tides right now would say yes, right, And so
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  Speaker 2: we don't really know. Because it's twenty twenty five America.
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  Speaker 2: Things are a little strange, right, But it's leaning toward
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  Speaker 2: the momentum is that it looks like it's problem going
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  Speaker 2: to get moved, and the only one way to move
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  Speaker 2: it is to cut it up. When you think.
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  Speaker 2: Made of stars.
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  Speaker 5: Right after this, let's talk about Jupiter. I always like
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  Speaker 5: when we get one of these stories that really connects
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  Speaker 5: to the marvel of our Solar system, why it's unique,
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  Speaker 5: why it's special. And I know we got alien stories
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  Speaker 5: coming up, and we're going to talk about the possibility
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  Speaker 5: of things, you know, outside of our Solar System and that.
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  Speaker 5: But we always regularly on this show, and there's a
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  Speaker 5: lot of discussion about the fact that, you know, we
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  Speaker 5: have these exoplanets in places that sometimes are in that
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  Speaker 5: log zone, that area where you say, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: the right temperature, it's the right circumstance, right distance from
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  Speaker 5: its star, that it could host life. But there are
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  Speaker 5: so many different factors in our Solar System that allow
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  Speaker 5: us to be here and to function. The Moon plays
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  Speaker 5: a role, and we're learning a little bit more about
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  Speaker 5: Jupiter's role.
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  Speaker 2: So Jupiter is a very important planet for life on Earth.
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  Speaker 2: We knew that to some degree already. One of the
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  Speaker 2: things it does is it sweeps up a lot of
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  Speaker 2: debris coming in from the outer Solar System, particularly in
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  Speaker 2: the early history of the Solar System, and keeps those
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  Speaker 2: pieces from bombarding the surface of our planet in the
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  Speaker 2: inner part of the Solar System so that we can
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  Speaker 2: have a long, long enough span of time to have
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  Speaker 2: life on the surface of the Earth. But a new study,
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  Speaker 2: and by the way, this is from a story on
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  Speaker 2: space dot com if you want to check it out.
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  Speaker 2: A new study out of Rice University in Houston says
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  Speaker 2: this that Jupiter's role was even more important than we
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  Speaker 2: previously thought because Jupiter's big I don't know how many
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  Speaker 2: people here had a big brother in school that kind
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  Speaker 2: of looked out for you at school, I did, you're
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  Speaker 2: raising your hand? Remember this, The radio show makes the noise.
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  Speaker 2: If you had a big brother, it makes the noise. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: a few of us, all right, So that's good. So
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  Speaker 2: Jupiter was kind of like our big brother. And when
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  Speaker 2: we got in trouble at school, Jupiter would pop up
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  Speaker 2: and he would say, I'm gonna take care of you.
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  Speaker 2: So what Jupiter did was the gravitational mass of Jupiter,
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  Speaker 2: which formed relatively quickly in the early part of the
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  Speaker 2: Solar System, was so extensive and so strong that Jupiter's
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  Speaker 2: gravity managed to carve gaps into the giant disc of
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  Speaker 2: material swirling around the proto Sun in the very early
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  Speaker 2: part of the universe. And it turns out that these
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  Speaker 2: gaps were absolutely necessary to prevent the building blocks that
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  Speaker 2: formed our planet, also the planet's Mars, Venus, and Mercury,
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  Speaker 2: from simply just plummeting into the Sun. In the early
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  Speaker 2: part of the Solar System, that gravitational carving up of
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  Speaker 2: the disc of material around the protosun. In a new study,
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  Speaker 2: it's been shown that it was absolutely essential to provide
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  Speaker 2: a cutoff of flow of gas and dust that would
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  Speaker 2: just simply fall in through the inner part of the
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  Speaker 2: Solar System and right into the Sun. Instead, what happened
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  Speaker 2: is that Jupiter caused basically a resonance pattern throughout the disk.
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  Speaker 2: So you have these lumps of rings of material that
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  Speaker 2: acted as kind of like a traffic barrier, a slow
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  Speaker 2: down in traffic that held up that material from fast
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  Speaker 2: falling into the Sun that allowed it to hang around
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  Speaker 2: in a more stable orbit long enough to form those
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  Speaker 2: planets on the inside. Now, the team out of Rice University,
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  Speaker 2: they were verifying this using computer simulations, and so they said, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to run simulations and see what happens. And
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  Speaker 2: so their computer simulations showed these shapes and structures in
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  Speaker 2: the Solar System forming specifically because of the gravitational influence
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  Speaker 2: of those gas giant planets. So see, if you want
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  Speaker 2: a rocky world like Earth in that special part of
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  Speaker 2: the Solar System that we call the Goldilock zone, it's
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  Speaker 2: just right, not too hot, not too cold, it can
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  Speaker 2: have life on it because it's just right all those conditions.
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  Speaker 2: Then you're probably going to need a giant gas giant
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  Speaker 2: planet like Jupiter out there to cause these resonances and
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  Speaker 2: ripples within that proto planetary disc to allow those small
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  Speaker 2: planets to form in that Goldilock zone. So a quote
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  Speaker 2: from Andrea Isidoro, who is one of the co authors
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  Speaker 2: co leads on the study, said, this Jupiter didn't just
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  Speaker 2: become the biggest planet. It set the architecture for the
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  Speaker 2: whole inner Solar System, and without it, we might not
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  Speaker 2: have had Earth as we know it. So see, when
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  Speaker 2: we talk about the fact that we're made of stars,
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  Speaker 2: you're born of star stuff, right, It's more than just that.
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  Speaker 2: It's more than just those elements that were composed of
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  Speaker 2: being formed in some distant supernova and then gathering in
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  Speaker 2: a cloud. There had to be so many different conditions
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  Speaker 2: that happened in a just right sort of way to
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  Speaker 2: even allow the planet that we have to be in
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  Speaker 2: that habitable zone and then to be just right for
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  Speaker 2: the conditions for life to be on the surface. It's
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  Speaker 2: actually kind of incredible. And now that we know that
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  Speaker 2: the traffic jams caused by Jupiter in the inner early
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  Speaker 2: Solar System was just one more piece of this intricate
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  Speaker 2: puzzle of making our part of our Solar system habitable
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  Speaker 2: so that we could be here tonight and hang out
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  Speaker 2: in the planetarium.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I noticed you mentioned Earth, Venus, and Mars. I
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  Speaker 5: think mercury in there as well. How does Uranus fit
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  Speaker 5: into all this?
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  Speaker 2: It's on the outs, okay, just checking.
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  Speaker 5: I always have to get in the occasional reference to Uranus.
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  Speaker 2: One last thing before we go to Uranus. One last
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  Speaker 2: thing that we want to talk about is that we
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  Speaker 2: actually see these ridges and ripples in newly forming star
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  Speaker 2: systems around other stars. So it gets predicted on a
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  Speaker 2: computer simulation at Rice University, and then some person with
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  Speaker 2: a telescope like doctor Williams goes out there and starts
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  Speaker 2: observing the sky and they actually see the same thing
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  Speaker 2: that the computer models predicted for real around some other
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  Speaker 2: distant protostar. Friends that's what I think science is beautiful. Right,
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  Speaker 2: That's when science that is at its most elegant. It's
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  Speaker 2: when we can use our computer simulations and our insights
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  Speaker 2: about the mathematics and about the forces of physics involved
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  Speaker 2: to say, oh, well, look, this condition should exist, and
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  Speaker 2: then we go out and actually see that condition in nature.
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  Speaker 2: That is the miracle of predictive science. And it's a
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  Speaker 2: pretty darn cool thing.
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  Speaker 5: So you mentioned science and the beauty of it, So
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  Speaker 5: that leads us to aliens.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're gonna talk about aliens. We're gonna talk a
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  Speaker 2: lot about aliens.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: So this is something that has been in it It's
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: been a clickbait story, but it's also got some teeth
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: to it. And that's what's so weird about it. We've
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: been doing this show and I mentioned before we started
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: the podcast to our our audience here. I didn't say
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: the show is recorded in front of a live audience
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: like they used to do on old TV shows. I
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: should have done that. But the fact that we've been
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: doing this in some form since two thousand and seven,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: and we don't often get opportunities to talk about things
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: like aliens.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: But it's kind of become like.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: We had these phases where like they were talking about
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: it in Congress and we're like, wait a minute, this
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: is a real thing. Now we have to cover it
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: in some capacity as space media. And now this is
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: another one of those things where we have this comment.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: It's come from outside of our solar system, and it's
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: acting kind of strangely. It's not acting the way other
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: comments have acted, or really anything in our solar system
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: has acted. And we've got some people that have said
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: hang and smart people that have said.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Hang on, you mean not like us. That's what I'm saying,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: hang on.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: Maybe this could be something that is, you know, alien
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: in nature, and it could be some kind of a probe.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: And then suddenly, you know, you see it at first,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: and I know that you get the texts from people
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: that say, wait a minute, what is this? Sometimes those
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: texts come from me, but usually I kind of know
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: where to dig and find out any legitimacy to it.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: And I remember texting you going.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: This is almost has some truth to it. What's going
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: on with this? So? Yeah, how soon before we're taking
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: over and we all die? It's like Tuesday, I think, okay,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: so perfect act Accordingly, I'm just going to say.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, maybe they'll let us make it to
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: the holidays, and then we can get into the new
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: year and.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: They might want to come to the holidays. They may
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: they invite an alien to your holiday. I think it's
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: a good thing to do. It is nice. So let's
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: talk about three I at lists. All right, So three
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I means there was a two I means there was
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: a one eye. You can go ahead. I'm just gonna
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: let that hang in the air. What does I stand for?
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: It stands for Interstellar, great movie, which was it was?
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: It was okay, I mean it was pretty good. If
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: you're under selling it, buddy, I mean Kip Thorne wrote it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: It's about quantum mechanics. It's it's pretty cool. Yeah, all right,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: but that's a big level of entry for most people. Yeah,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: it's just okay, all right. So what was three I? Well,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: three I stands for the third interstellar object that we've
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: ever discovered. That's wait, friends, don't miss this part of
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: the story. You live in a time where we now
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: know for certain that objects from outside of our solar
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: system are passing through our solar system. This is only
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: the third one ever discovered. What was the second one
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: two I two I was called two I Borisov, and
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: that was just a couple of years ago that two
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I Borisov was found. And then the first one was
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: one eye, and one eye was called Omua Moua twenty seventeen.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: So the very first object that we ever knew that
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: was coming from a star somewhere else, not our own son,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: a star system outside of our own solar system, was
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen. So you live in a pretty cool time.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Don't miss that part of the story, right, it's pretty neat.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: So within that just few years, less than a decade,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: we have now discovered three objects that we know for
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: certain came from beyond the confines of our own solar system,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and they zip through and we got to study them,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and we got to understand that they're a little bit
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: different than some of the comments in our own solar
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: system or some of the objects in our own solar system.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: All right, So Omuamua was one eye, Borisov was two I.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: This is three I three I atlas. Okay. Now, doubtless,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: if you're on any of social media or heck media
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: in general, you have probably seen stories that there's this
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: physicist from Harvard, who is telling everybody, I think this
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: is an alien probe. Now listen, the gentleman's name is
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Avi Lobe. Avi Lobe is not unintelligent. He's a very
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: smart man, and he's offering up an alternative viewpoint. And
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: in science, that's what we do. We say, hey, crazy idea,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: here's my crazy idea. And then we say, okay, well,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: can we either verify your crazy idea or can we
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: give you seven reasons why your crazy idea couldn't possibly
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: be true, or even one reason for that matter. And
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: so that's what science is all about. Science is about
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: somebody throwing up an idea and saying, I think this
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: is true because I've got a couple of maybe incomplete
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: pieces of evidence, but I think they might lead to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: this unusual conclusion. Well, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. So
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: the rest of the scientific community engages and they say, oh,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: that's an interesting idea, but you haven't thought about X,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: and you haven't thought about why, and you haven't thought
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: about Z, and all of those reasons deny this thing
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: that you're talking about. Okay, So in the last last
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks a few weeks, Harvard astrophysicist Avi Lobe
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: has suggested that this mysterious object called three I Atlas
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: is indeed an interstellar object, maybe even an alien probe.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: As Wes said, he's more comfortable with the word probe
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: than I am.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Well, I was just going to say probe an alien
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: doesn't usually bode well. And all of the the stories
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: and you know, especially like you know, rural Kansas and places,
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: so whenever they start talking about that, I get really uncomfortable.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I have family in Kansas. Yeah, so we'll see, you know, Yeah,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I'm aware. So uh.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: I mentioned that it's not behaving the way that a
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: normal object in our solar system would behave.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: So we go through this process.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: This is where you're talking about sciencing it and going
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: through this whole process of trying to figure out what's
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: there what's not. There's been this suggestion about, well, what
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: if it starts to behave this way or it starts
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: to do you know, certain things that what might indicate
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: it's not behaving normally and some of the abnormal things
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: are happening.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: You've got to understand this about three I Atlas. It
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: was only discovered in July of this year, right, so
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: we have only known about it a very short period
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: of time. The other thing is right now, well maybe
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: forty eight hours ago, forty eight hours ago. Right now,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: it's passing its nearest pass to the Sun, which we
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: call perihelion. And when a comet, if it is a
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: it acts a lot like a comet, by the way,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: But when a comet passes near the Sun, that's the
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: most engaging moment for that comet and it's orbit around
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: the Sun, because in that period of time and it's
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: nearest to the Sun, it is at its highest temperature,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: and it's at its highest velocity, at its highest gravitational
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: shear from the Sun, and so things begin to happen.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: It begins to sublimate or lose material, it begins to
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: have its structure kind of challenged or rearranged by that
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: gravitational torque of the Sun itself. And that's when we
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: can tell, you know, if it acts like a comet,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: or if it acts like something else. I will tell
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: you that. The headline from ScienceDaily dot com, where I
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: got the story says, this comet visitor is baffling scientists.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I just love these words. Right, It's just like anytime
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I see the headline scientists are baffled, Troy, how many
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: times you've been just baffled? That? Never ever, Troy never
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: gets baffled. So but listen, there are some things that
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: you should know about this that are in fact baffling.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: This comet is weird, make no mistake. Three I Atlas
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: is strange, not because it's a daily in spacecraft, but
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: because of the things I'm about to tell you. First
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: of all, it's moving at two hundred and forty five
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: thousand kilometers per hour, which makes it that's fast. It's
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: just faster than my Toyota Tacoma. It's the fastest known
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: object to ever be observed in the Solar System. Ever,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: it's on what's called a hyperbolic orbit. That's one of
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the ways that we know that it came from outside
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: of our Solar system. Number Two, it's enormous by comet standards,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: or particularly interstellar comet standards. It is twelve point five
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: miles across. It's the size of the island of Manhattan.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Borisov was only six tenths of a mile across. A
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Muahmua was only a quarter of a mile across. This
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: thing is twelve and a half miles across. It's really
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: really big, much bigger than those other ones.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: They know the size because the naked cowboy was on it,
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: just playing his guitar.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Manhattan. You mean yeh, yeah, yeah, I thought you meant
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: slim pickens from that, but yeah, okay. So it's also
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: likely an ancient object. We can tell which direction it
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: came from. We look that direction and say, well, what
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: star systems are over there, and then we give it
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: an estimate for how long it would have been traveling
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: in transit to get to our solar system, and we say, oow,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: it's probably twice as old as anything in our solar system,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: so it's truly ancient. It had a tail like a
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: comet outside the orbit of Jupiter, which is five times
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: more distant from the Sun than we are just safe
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: to say, if that number doesn't mean anything to you,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: that's a long way from the Sun. Comets do not
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: generally generate a tail material streaming away from them at
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: a distance of five times the distance from the Earth.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: That tells us it has a high content of CO two,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: frozen carbon dioxide, dry ice, anything else unusual about the tail.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: So there's another weird part of a tail story. That
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: happened when it got closer to the Sun, which it
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: began to have what's called an anti tail. It began
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: to have a horn out the front of it, basically
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: that pointed at the Sun. You see why comets have
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: tails stream away from the Sun is because of the
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: stellar wind blowing that material out away from the nucleus
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: of that common inner direction radially out from the Sun.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: But this comment actually formed a forward facing tail and
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: anti tail. So that was a little bit of a
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: strange thing about The tail took of a unicorn factor.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: It looks like it was kind of, you know, cord light.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: It's not that we've never seen anti tails on commets before,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: but they are a rare phenomenon. So that's another weird thing. Now, this, friends,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: might be one of the most strange things. There's a
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: few other things you can get online and read about them,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: but this is the really weird one to me personally.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: It's coming in directly in what's called the ecliptic plane
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the planets or but the Sun in a disc. You
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: don't have Jupiter going one way and Saturn going out
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: in a different direction, and Mars in a different plane.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: All the planets kind of parade around the Sun within
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: a disc in the same direction. It's counter clockwise as
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: viewed from north. And that's because that's the direction of
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: rotation of the inner part of the Solar System. And
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: it was information. Okay, so a comment could come in,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: particularly from another star system, at any random angle whatsoever.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: But this object common Atlas three eye Atlas is coming
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: in almost exactly in the same plane as our planetary system.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: Alien navigators, which is one of the reasons that people
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: like Auvi Lobe say, well, now that's just too weird
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: to explain. I mean, because I want to tell you
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: the statistics for that are extraordinarily unlikely. How about that for.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: It to come from a different star system outside our
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Solar system, but yet be in the orbital plane of
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: our planets, very very weird. So that's all of those
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: things together kind of get the attention of the scientific community, go,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: this thing is not like anything we've seen before for
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: all of this myriad of reasons which I saw that
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: it's glowing blue. Now is that normal? I mean no, right,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: so it is it's blue or in most comets. That's
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: another unusual characteristic. It has low iron nickel ratio it's
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: got way too much nickel weighed not enough iron, which
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: is also weird. And it's got a weird extreme negative
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: polarization of the light reflecting off it. If you want
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: to know more about that, ask me after the show.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I can tell you more about it. But there are
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: weird things about it that just don't seem to happen
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: with other comets, which is why it kind of triggers
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: the oh, we're not looking at an average comet instinct
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: within our personalities, and so it builds these speculations that
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: start to happen.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Not everybody knows this, but blue is the universal color
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: for probe coming.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And to think I almost wore blue tonight, I did.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. I don't know. We
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: don't need to talk about that later, Wes. So we
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: have we've.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Gotten some looks at it along the way, or we're
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: going to get some more looks at this thing.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Remember right now, it's close to the sun. That means
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the only telescopes that can see it right now are
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: those telescopes that are pointed at the sun, and believe
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: or not, some of those sun facingelescopes that are made
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: to observe the Sun. They're sensitive of enough that they're
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: actually picking it up. This comet has also brightened at
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: a ridiculously strong and rapid rate, unlike other comets. Within
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the next twenty four hours, it's going to be in
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: position to be observed by something called the Juice spacecraft.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Juice is a strained acronym by the European Space Agency.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Don't worry about that. It's a spacecraft that's on its
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: way out to Europa, which is one of the moons
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: around Jupiter. So the Juice spacecraft, though, is going to
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: be able to look at this comet tomorrow. So we're
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: going to get another better look now after it passed
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: around its closest past to the Sun. I would tell
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: you this if this story interests you, watch the news
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: over the next few days, because things are going to
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: begin to unravel rapidly in terms of data coming in
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: and us getting new looks at this object. We won't
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: actually be able to see it with earthbound telescopes until
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the latter part of November and into early December. So
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: listen to the podcast. We will keep you up to
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: date on the weird three. I at Las comment.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: And I feel it's just only you know the good
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: that we mentioned this. If you you know your kids
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: have a home telescope, don't point it at the sun
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: to try to look at this thing. Never a good
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: idea or ever. Yeah, ever, but especially not now, because
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: they would really be concentrating looking for the blue thing flying.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Flying, see blue spots. That's not the comment.
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  Speaker 5: We're Made of Stars right after this, Hey, speaking of
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: spots in the sky. This is another fun alien story
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: and it goes back to the fifties. What's up with
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: the photos with the flashes that might be alien spacecraft?
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: How many people watch Project blue Book on the History Channel?
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Did you watch that series? Like one of us? Okay? Cool?
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: So she lives in your house, so I know we
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: watched it together. So the rest of you go stream
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Project blue Book on the History Channel. It's pretty cool.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty good series, right, It's fictionalized version of
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: real characters, Okay. Project blue Book was an initiative started
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: by the federal government to investigate many many claims of
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: very intelligent people seeing alien spacecraft in fact, two consecutive
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: weekends over the nation's capital by hundreds of people, crazy
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: weird objects reported in the sky's Washington d C. Now
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: that's just a fact. Okay. You can come up with
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: all kinds of explanations, but that's the fact, and it
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: is not in question. It did happen. Okay. So the
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: interesting thing is there seemed to have been a spike
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: in the reports of unidentified flying objects across the world
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: during the nineteen fifties and into the nineteen sixties. Did
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: you see all those flying Saucer movies. That was a
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: reason they all got made in the fifties, because things
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: were a little weird. Well, now here comes a story
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: on space dot com. But I want to tell you
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: that the story on space dot com is based on
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: a scientific journal publication in a journal called Scientific Reports.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Scientific Reports is a portfolio of Nature. The journal Nature
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: sounds like clickbait to me. It is a peer reviewed,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: scientific investigator per reviewed. Clickfait might be true, but we're
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: gonna go ahead and talk about it anyway. So here
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: it comes, all right. So, according to Scientific Reports, some
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: researchers think that some mysterious flashes that were recorded in
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the imaging of Mount Palomar Observatory in the nineteen fifties
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: might actually be UFOs that you should react that way. Ye,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: look and look, I know what you're thinking. And before
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: you go there peer reviewed Scientific journal. Here's why these
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: very conservative, very proof oriented scientists are beginning to say
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: very crazy things like this. They call these objects transient
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: star like objects, because that's how astronomers name things. There's
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: a black hole in this guy, what should we call it?
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Black hole? There's a spot on the Sun. What's that
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: large red spot on Jupiter? Oh, the Great Red Spot?
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: All right, So what are these things in the Palamar plates? Well,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: they're transient store like objects, Yes they are. Okay, So
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: the notion is this, Between the dates of November nineteenth,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: nineteen forty nine and April twenty eighth, nineteen fifty seven,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: there were one hundred and seven eight hundred and seventy
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: five appearances of these transient star like objects identified in
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the now digitized sky plates from the Palamar Observatories. Now,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Mount Palamar was once the largest telescope on planet Earth.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: It's California's one of California's finest telescopes. Even today, it's
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: still being used for research. It back then though, was
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: having photographic plates. They had a film camera on the
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: back of the thing. Right, So in recent times we
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: have digitized all of those film plates, and then very
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: recently a group of scientists began studying those digitized plates
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: and they found these little starlike objections and they're transient
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: because they're on one frame, but then a frame that
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: was taken an hour later, they're not there, and they
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: weren't there on the frame before the one frame where
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: they appeared. That's what it means by transient. They were
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: only there for a period of time. Now you might
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: be thinking this, this is what I was thinking when
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I first read the story. Oh well, it's just some
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: kind of a you know, an effect of the camera
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: and it's kind of a light leak, or it's dust
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: or you got what baths for flying in front of
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the telescope, something silly like that. Right, So transient it
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: means clean your lens. So yeah, it could mean actually
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: clean your lens. Well, here's another weird part about it.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: All of those appearances, So all of those appearances, they
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: did not occur on eighty eight point five percent of
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the images that were taken. So they're occurring on something
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: less than fifteen percent of the images. Right, here's the
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: next weird thing. When this team of scientists studied them,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: they found a correlation that is really unusual. These transient
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: unidentified objects were sixty eight percent more likely to appear
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: in the images of the Palamar telescope within twenty four
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: hours after a nuclear weapons test. Just let that sit
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: in for a minute. There were one hundred and twenty
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: four tests from nineteen fifty one to nineteen fifty seven,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: and these transient objects were sixty eight percent more likely
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: to occur on the day of or the day after
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: those nuclear tests. I would call that weird.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: What do you think that is weird? And it's interesting
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: that we might start nuclear weapons testing here again. And
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: you know we got an alien probe f line by
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: the sun coincidence you decided with it's blue light on,
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: ready to do some probing.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: That is one more thing, and I know we need
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: to wrap this story up for timesake. But the other
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: thing that's very interesting there is also a statistical correlation
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: with reports of unidentified flying objects at nuclear test sites
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: by human beings. So when people were reporting seeing unusual
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: things in the sky, Palomar was also picking them up
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: that scary music.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I think you scared me pretty well already.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: So thinking hills have eyes and stuff with those nuclear
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: sites and the aliens involved and gets crazy.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: So according to this team reporting in Nature, the overall
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: findings of the study support hypotheses that transient exhibit The
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: transients exhibit some degree of association with both nuclear testing
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: and reports of what are now called UAPs unidentified aerial phenomenon,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: and the results further suggest these associations are additive with
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: the largest number of transient scene for dates then nuclear
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: testing windows and when uapiece were reported by human beings.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: So sometimes in science we just go, huh, well, that's
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: a little weird. I'm not up here telling you, oh,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: there's UFOs, they definitely exist. I'm just saying that. At
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: what we do with scientists is we take these really
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: highly unusual hypotheses and we try to begin to apply
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: tests to them to see if we can find correlations
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: like this, and so far this team has actually found them. Now,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: there's one last thing I'm going to tell you. Remember
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: this is Halloweed Weekend. I'm going to tell you this
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: one last part of the story, and then we're going
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: to drift off into the next segment of the show,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: which is this all of those transient phenomenon basically went
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: away in nineteen fifty seven after the launch of the
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Sputnick spacecraft. That's an extra huh. I would drop this mic,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: but it's expensive. So anyway, I just want to say,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: sometimes science still works, friends, Science is still important, but
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: sometimes we run into this kind of a story where
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: we're saying, I think we need to look into that
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: a little bit more. Right, Wes and I were able
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: to do an interview with the gentleman by the name
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: of Lee Johnson, and Lee Johnson is the chief technologist
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: at Marshall Space Flight Center. Was a cool interview. We
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: have to do that. You want to convey what he
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: said about UAPs.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: Well, first we have to make sure that we mentioned
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: that he is no longer he retired and he's doing
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: some other things. And second of all, I own to
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: remind you, I don't remember exactly what he SAIDs I wanna.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Leave it to you. I can help if you need it. Yeah,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: put me in coach. Oh you did, Okay, here's what
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: he said. I remember that he was at Dragon con
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: That's all I remember, really, So Lee is also a
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: sci fi writer. Anyway, here's what you need to know.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: The chief technologist and Marshall Space Flight Center. You can
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: listen to this yourself. It's on one of our podcasts
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: from earlier this year. He said this. Look, when I
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: was a kid, I like to believe in UFOs because
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: it was kind of fun, right, maybe interested in science,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: maybe interested in space. But then as I grew and
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I became a scientist and I really started in understanding
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: the scientific method, I understood that, hey, until we have
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: some kind of hardcore, hands on evidence, some kind of
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: evidence based claim, something that we can put to a test,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I'm never gonna believe in UFOs. But then I remember this. Yeah,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Then pilots of F eighteen aircraft flying out of San
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Diego began to capture imaging on their thermal cameras and
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: on their video cameras of UAPs, and Lee Johnson, the
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: two technologist that Marshall Space Flight Center, said well, I'll
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: be darn. And then we had testimony on Capitol Hill
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: and we're still looking into things. So look, it's safe
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: to say this. Sometimes there's just things we don't know yet. Right,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: and that's at least one of those things.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: And there have been stories we've covered. I think back
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: to Tabatha Starr and there's been these stories that we've
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: covered where we go, there's something weird happening and we
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: kind of wonder what it might be. And that was
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: a situation where there was something that was going on
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: and as they studied it, they eventually had an explanation
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: for exactly what it was. So but it's nice when
• 45:13
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• 45:30
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  Speaker 5: of Stars Right after this, this is the portion of
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: the show where I normally we'll pitch things over to
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: Sean and we'll talk about whatever's happening next at the
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: Coca Cola Space Science Center. And in this case, because
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: we're recording this show, by the way, will be on
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: released on Thursday, when we normally release, so when we
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: actually have this available when it drops, as the kids say,
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: we won't necessarily be able to talk specifically about this
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: event that's coming up because normally we say, hey, what's
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: coming up next, Sean and then he talks about it. Well,
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: in this case, what's coming up next is literally in minutes,
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: and it's Astronomy Night, and we bring in doctor Rosa
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Williams to talk about Astronomy Night and the fact that
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: just because you're listening on Thursday and you miss the
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: November first Astronomy Night doesn't mean there won't be more
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: Astronomy Nights coming up at Providence Canyon or back here
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: the home game at the Cocohola Space Science Center.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Wes, so.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: Talk a little bit about what you guys do here,
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: we kind of go over it. And also, I guess
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: there's another event happening on Tuesday in Music under the
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: Dome right here in this room, and I'll let Sean
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: talk about that in a minute, but first we want
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: to talk with Rose about what you guys do for
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: Astronomy Night when you guys are having that event, well,
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: when it's.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: A home game as I call them, when we're here
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: at the Coca Cola Space Science Center, we use this
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: planetarium to display some of the objects that are up
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: right now in the night sky and give you up
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: close and personal looks at a few of them. But
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: when we're at a dark site like Providence Canyon FDR
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: State Park something like that, we have a little PowerPoint thing.
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: We bring the portable projector and give a little talk.
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: But a large part of the night is just studying
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: the nighttime sky in places where city lights have not
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: drowned it out to the same extent as night happened
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: in Columbus.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so doctor Williams tell us a little bit about
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: the observatory itself, the program within Earthen Space Science's department,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: and some of the students are going through the program.
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: Okay, So one of my titles is director of the
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: West Rock Observatory. And in the corner of this building
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: we have a big dome that contains a telescope with
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: a twenty four inch mirror our Pride and Joy, and
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: we have largely students using that telescope to take images
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: of the nice sky to do studies. We've had a
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: student do his own independent light pollution study. We've had
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: studies of variable stars. My colleague, doctor Andy Puckett, has
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: used these telescopes to track flying asteroids and comets and
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: try and determine their orbits to make sure they're not
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: straight for Earth.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: You want to talk just a little bit about the
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: recent NASA grant that was awarded to the observatory.
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: So we found that there was a thing called Research
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: Initiation awards that NASA does, and we said, hey, we'd
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: like to initiate some research here with our big telescope.
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: So we wrote a proposal that suggested that we would
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: continue our studies of flying asteroids and also add to
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: that the nuclei of active galaxies. That's the Quasars word
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: that Sean is so fond of.
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: We just need to say asterism, and we've covered all
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: three from the disclaimer at the beginning of.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: The show asteroid work. There you go. That's good.
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: So with that event taking place in just a few minutes,
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: and we had told you guys maybe we'd have some
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: time for questions, but we are not going to have
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: time for questions, So no chance to stump the band tonight,
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: because more folks have been coming in getting read four
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: Astronomy Night, and we appreciate you guys for joining us
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: that have just come in. But before we do that,
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: I want to talk about music under the Dome. It's
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: a special event that you guys do right here in
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: this room. And someone who came in and asked me,
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: why is there a piano in here? And I was like, well,
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: we'll get to that. So we're getting to that now.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: All astronomers like to have pianos around. It's it's just
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: a rule. No. So there's a quarter of a million
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: dollar grand piano sitting behind me that belongs to the
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: schwob School of Music here at Colymus State University. And
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: the cool thing is they come and actually perform concerts
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: in this space. And then what we do is we
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: have space artists, including our own planetarium director, mister Lance Tankersly,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: that developed space art that is choreographed to the music
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: that is about to be played by those music students
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: and faculty from the Shop School of Music. That is
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: a concert event that is unlike any other that I
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: personally have ever seen. It's called Music under the Dome.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: The next one of those is this Tuesday night. Now.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: For those of you on the podcast, sorry, pick us
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: up next semester. There'll be another one and they'll come
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: it in March. Yeah, But for those of you who
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: are actually live in the room, there's still time for
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: you to attend that. There will still be some tickets
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: available for that Music under the Dome concert. You can
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: refer to our website here at the Space Science Center
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: to find out about that. I can tell you this,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: it's simply one of the most amazing concert experiences that
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I personally haven't ever been a part of because these
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: musicians are so fantastic, the graphics are so engaging and amazing,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: and you get to be right here in this beautiful
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: auditorium and be a part of Music under the Dome.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Make sure you see one of those concerts. The last
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: one for this semester will be on Tuesday night, but
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: then there's three of them in the spring semester, so
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: you can jump in and see one of those concerts there.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: And I would just like to take the closing seconds
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: here to say thank you to our department chair, doctor
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Troy Keller for arranging this special edition of our Native
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Stars podcast here on our Astronomy Night. Let's give Troy
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: around applause.
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: And we usually close out the show with me just
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: saying that we thank you for listening, but we really
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: do appreciate all of you that are in the room.
• 52:59
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