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Bear Bones 2025 Playoffs Wild Card Weekend: Green Bay Packers @ Chicago Bears · 2nd City Gridiron

• 1:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for watching!
• 1:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome into this episode of Bear Bones As always, I am Mason West.
• 1:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Today, this isn't just Bear's Packers, this is January, this is the playoffs, and it's the moment where excuses stop working.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: For years, the rivalry came with history and heartbreak, now the bear's show with expectations, and a chance to change the story when it actually matters.
• 1:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: This game will be won on a hype.
• 1:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: It'll be won in a trenches on third-down, and by who's still standing when the fourth quarter gets tight, and the hits start to add up.
• 1:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So today we're breaking it all down.
• 1:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: The matchups, the coaching decisions, the wear and tear, and the moments that will decide whether this team is built for playoff football, let's get into it, of course, with Danny Meand and Kyrie Thompson.
• 1:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Danny, how are you doing?
• 1:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing well.
• 1:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: The the wife's Christmas gift that I got her is coming up.
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got her a little spot weekend for a day and a half tomorrow in Deluxe Saturday afternoon.
• 2:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and Milwaukee, where she's going to get her hair done, go get a massage on that fun stuff and it'll be Single dad duty starting tomorrow morning, probably around the 11.
• 2:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So lucky me.
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sponsored single dad.
• 2:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: What do you got real real quick.
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: How many days?
• 2:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: How much time are you single dating?
• 2:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, going to be from really tomorrow morning into like,
• 2:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: probably around 4 or 5 in the afternoon on Saturday before the game.
• 2:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, see, I feel you on that one.
• 2:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, I'm doing good over here.
• 2:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, just got my, my, my whole alumni gear, I've been missing you Chicago sweaters and sweats for a number of years, but they rolled in today, have a throw them off for the show because my latest jersey has not gotten here.
• 2:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually going to be solo dating for nine days at the house.
• 2:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're just like, oh boy, it's time I've had to do that in the past calendar year.
• 3:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, this is great.
• 3:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why is it going to be a Merry Christmas?
• 3:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's smarter than you.
• 3:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, if you would be.
• 3:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, why is it going to be a Paris?
• 3:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Going without me sucks.
• 3:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you know what, it's all good because, you know, we got play off football to talk about this week.
• 3:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I did not see this one coming.
• 3:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: When we started the year, and yeah, here we are.
• 3:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's an excellent transition.
• 3:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So today, we'll do a couple things the same.
• 3:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: We have a brief chart review, just a couple quotes.
• 3:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll do the training room stuff because that's very important.
• 3:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: But.
• 3:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Today's show is going to be a little bit more.
• 3:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got rid of the categories for this one.
• 3:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to fire off a bunch of questions about this match between the bears and the Packers to both Kyri and Danyan.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you know this show, let's be real all three of us.
• 3:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: We can talk a lot and to keep it rolling.
• 3:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to have a special button sound here that I'm going to play.
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: because in this is probably if someone recognizes that props to you, but anyway, I'm going to play that because you being a cheesehead, showed up, we're going to move on a little bit.
• 4:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So keep the answers going and stay on top of it.
• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, on top of it, we can't do that.
• 4:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what you're talking about.
• 4:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, like I said, brief chart review here.
• 4:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just got two question quotes.
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to bring up a bear score about Caleb Williams said this week.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I built for these moments mentality wise, how I've worked.
• 4:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been in a bunch of big games before in those moments and in these moments.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I could provide a spark for the team.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: He also said he doesn't really care if he has to hand off the ball 30 times in a game if that's his role.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, what are your thoughts on Caleb saying that?
• 4:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also Ben Johnson saying the same thing.
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's been a while since we felt like Chicago Bears had a coach and play in quarterback specifically that believed in themselves enough to say we like literally like we're built for this.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And after what they've done this year, I'm not saying it's all perfect.
• 5:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying it guarantees anything, but I believe it.
• 5:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I believe that when the chips are down, even if they make mistakes, this team is going to believe in themselves enough to stay in it until the end.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like, again, over the years, we just, I don't know what we've really felt that.
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've seen a lot of collapses.
• 5:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've seen a lot of dumb stuff.
• 5:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've seen a lot of quit.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: This team has no quit.
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would tend to agree with what Kyrie said there.
• 5:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like they clearly have a level of resilience to them.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're their cardiac barriers, cardiac kids.
• 5:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you want to say, there's a lot of never say diet.
• 5:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And last week with Detroit, they didn't really lay down until the end.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was because they simply ran out of time.
• 5:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which obviously happens.
• 5:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see not going into the playoffs on a two game losing streak.
• 6:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Mason, you and I talked about it last week.
• 6:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: We would have very much liked them to show they were the more talented good football team.
• 6:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And kid instead came out really for three quarters kind of flat and not ready to play football.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's okay.
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't let it happen again.
• 6:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of thing.
• 6:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And to kind of get a response to confidence, Caleb has been exuding that for a few weeks now, going back to the kind of test he answered with, I forget what reporter asked it.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, dude, do you think you can make that throw?
• 6:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I can make anything wrong in the field, like full stop, like that's it.
• 6:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of nice to have that.
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what greatness sounds and looks like from time to time.
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not fake.
• 6:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll say that.
• 6:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not fake, and the nice part is the one in it happened.
• 6:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, not talking about that confidence.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Bear is rookie tight and close to love it.
• 6:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm Ben Johnson's message for the playoffs for this team.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: After the Lions game, he said as in Ben Johnson.
• 6:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not prepared to play the next five weeks, or if you're thinking about anything else, thinking about booking a flight, vacations, or anything, don't come in.
• 7:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: He made it very clear about what's at stake, and what this team is looking for.
• 7:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to me, that sounds like a confident Ben Johnson, but also a Ben Johnson that knows how important is to stay focused.
• 7:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, let's be real.
• 7:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a long season.
• 7:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is hard mentally, physically, emotionally for these guys.
• 7:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, you can't be like he said, planning where you're going to be spending the next couple months on a vaca.
• 7:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got to be here and you got to be committed.
• 7:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's very pointed, but it's also very coachy.
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: like no coach of a professional team, even when fans are pining for like the tank.
• 7:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: They know these guys are competitive to a point of, they don't know how to lose.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: They don't accept that reality of what's best is, you know, maybe understanding your overman or whatever.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, he's coaching the only way he knows how, which is full, full go, honor percent of the time.
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you look at, for example, Max Crosby, who couldn't even handle being shut down for the last couple games of the season, even though they had no chance of doing anything and the only thing that a play for was the number one overall pick.
• 8:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they shut them down and said, you can't play and he was just like, man, no, like I can't, I can't take that.
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the reason these guys are in the NFL and why some of them are great is because they're built different like that.
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: you're whether you're in the playoffs or not, which your team's pick status is or not, they're gonna go out there and ball and they're gonna fight.
• 8:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now for this team, I always find it a little bit cliche and overly done when people start talking about, if you're not ready to do XYZ, don't even bother showing up next week.
• 8:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: But here's what I'm going to say, because Ben Johnson's been in this position before.
• 8:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's been on a team, you know, and been the offensive coordinator on a team that has just missed out on a Super Bowl.
• 8:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they lost a couple years ago in the NSC championship.
• 9:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the Lions here to the San Francisco 49ers with the Super Bowl in the line.
• 9:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they lost last year as well to the commanders and divisional realm.
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: So,
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: they know, and he knows, and the team has packed this roster with guys like Joe Tuneen and Kevin Biodes and whatever that are, filling the team, Brady Jared's, filling this team with this message.
• 9:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a different level of focus.
• 9:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a different level of focus you've got to have for the playoff.
• 9:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have to be completely keyed in.
• 9:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have to execute every single time because every mistake is magnified.
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And every opportunity is that much more precious.
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's really what he's trying to convey.
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I can feel the energy and the desperation coming from him, because he's been that close before as a coach.
• 9:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even if it wasn't offensive coordinator, not as a head coach.
• 9:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's been that close before.
• 9:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there are some guys who have won it.
• 9:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: has been in Super Bulls like half his career.
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: He knows what it takes to win.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I know that all the guys in the locker have been hearing that all we, this is what it takes.
• 10:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Steve of all the guys in the locker room and everything that's important here.
• 10:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to move on to our training room round up.
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is where we're going to have a discussion about what's going on on both sides of the ball.
• 10:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: So the three guys who are going to be out to this week.
• 10:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: and Joe Transchenko, all with concussions.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, CJ, the only starter specifically, the one that has a big, the biggest role that will be out.
• 10:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: The biggest news is the fact that guys like Tyler Gordon, he's a this questionable, he's going to play.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also Dennis Allen said about Kyle Gordon, our plans to have him be a part of.
• 10:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: the game plan versus green bay specifically how many snaps he gets and what that looks like we will see i would imagine they would deploy him a little bit specifically we will dive into that momentarily just run through some of the other names also Roman dunes a no designation he's good to go isher pillow good to go jolly walker had the illness good to go DJ more me good to go
• 11:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So pretty much, I mean, there's a couple of the people listening here as well.
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: We could talk about the Brexit Jones of it on all that, but I mean, this is the healthiest that the bears have been really only missing one key piece in terms of C.J.
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Gardner Johnson, who did not start the year with the bears, Danny, I mean, how do you think a guy like Tyler Gordon is going to be deployed coming off of his second IR stands?
• 11:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would have to guess he's going to be on a snap count or a pitch count, however you want to phrase it, ready, he's not in game shape, he's played two games all
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a fabulous football player when he's out there and playing in a game shape.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to expect of him now.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: He is a chess piece.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: He does a lot in terms of the blitch game and run support and being able to do like dime back for stuff with him and he's one of the better nickels in the league when he's right.
• 11:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just he's not been right all year.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So while I would love to think he some skeleton key that unlock his defense for what Dennis Allen would truly love to do,
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that we should expect a ton.
• 12:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a splash play here or there?
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, call it one or two splash plays, but I think there's also a good chance that those one on two splash plays make come with one or two times getting burned because he's just not in game shape.
• 12:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't like match him up.
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing exactly you're saying.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't throw him on Christian Walken in the slot.
• 12:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's just not something that I would be excited about because that speed or my lack of probably that top end.
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then you're going to have as you fatigue in the game as well.
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to drip down also throwing in there the idea that's
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: probably off the edge, right?
• 12:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: He is a good blitzer out of the slot, so that would be something I would circle try to create some of that pressure whether it be simulated or actual from Kyler Gordon.
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: The other name on the other side of the ball, but we have not seen a lot this year is Robe Dunze.
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Kyrie, when it comes to Rome,
• 13:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, same concerns, right?
• 13:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he has not probably not in game shape.
• 13:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're dealing with that stress fracture.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have to let it rest.
• 13:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, you're off of your foot.
• 13:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're not able to keep up the conditioning.
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whether that be strength or cardiovascular.
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do you expect Rome to be deployed in a game like this?
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Same thing, snap count.
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would probably expect him to play, you know, if, you know, say he on a normal day would play 65 to 70% of the offensive snaps is probably going to play something more like 40 this time around he might try to push it, but.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, if somebody who's had stress fractures in your feet, not the easiest thing, or not the most comfortable thing to try to come back from and just go full board.
• 13:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually, you know, in my experience, very easy thing to screw up again, which is what he discovered when he tried to come back to early.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: against Cleveland Browns.
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the nice thing about having room back in any capacity though and having a largely healthy receiver room is just another weapon because I would argue the bears haven't
• 14:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nistim Terribly, because Colston Lovelin has been so good, Luther Burton has been so good, and we've seen more splash out of DJ Moore, as the year has gone on.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it gives you a little bit more to think about, because look, I feel like Rome is generally going to be a pretty plug-and-play kind of guy.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: At this point, he knows what he's doing, he knows where he's supposed to be,
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he is a playmaker that maybe you're not double circling him when he's on the field.
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you're thinking about him because he's a starting receiver in the NFL.
• 14:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So then if you're running, you know, 11 personnel when it's Rome, DJ,
• 14:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: and Luther Burton out there, and Colston Lovelin, that's four guys out there that you have to think about very carefully in the passing game, and we will see a good amount of that, even if we don't see it as much as we would like.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Bringing up Colson Lovelin, one thing I did want to highlight, people know right, he had surgery on his right shoulder back in January 2025 to repair a seat joint after he had a tight five dislocation.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: He played through it during his final season at Michigan.
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a play at the end of the third quarter that first drive after Caleb's interception, where he dives through the ball and comes up grabbing his right shoulder.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying this as in like there's necessarily a problem there, but it does highlight that that shoulder still is, it's something to monitor.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's probably more so a singer, just like that stability isn't necessarily fully there.
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not coincidental that it was the same shoulder that he had that surgery on.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: So
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know it's interesting you see a lot of rookies don't necessarily get a lot of run at their rookie or part of it is the playbook and part of it is the speed of the game the conditioning of the game and Colson went very quickly from not really being a part of this offense to I mean in that lion's game he was almost the whole offense so just wait mom I think with the having room back to take a little bit off Colson's play he's been doing fantastic but you want him around for not just this year not just this playoff but going being able to go
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's I think I genuinely think and I know we all talked about it in the draft season with him That it might take a little bit even maybe the whole season for him to catch Tyler Warren and surpass him in terms of what he is But I know this whole show to my knowledge Light Colson more than I liked Warren just for what he could be and We're already seeing the effects of that where I think
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: You could make an argument, he's already one of the top 10 items in football and I don't think you'd get much pushback.
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's one of those guys at tight end.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: How could these come in such a short time?
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's absolutely fantastic.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: On the Packers ends, so there are some things first to highlight.
• 16:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just guys going on IR a couple, you know, back in December, Nate Hobbs and Zane Anderson went on IR, Dan Hobbs being the bigger name.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of the reasons why of Packers went out and they claimed to trade on digs off the waivers.
• 17:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: January 3rd, they put Savion Williams with their one of their rookie receivers and often Jennings onto IR and then
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: They play Bo Melton who is a corner, but also sort of as receiver when or sorry corner receiver and then but really it's a corner, but he had a big catch Against the bears and they're fur or smash up, I believe and then John Williams that they mentioned was also out in terms of the rest of their players I know there was a question here in the chat Do you guys from George?
• 17:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you guys think Zack Tom plays?
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know he was a DMP Zack Tom and it was listed here
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure the floor was on record saying that that was more of a veteran rest day.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why it wasn't listed as so specifically, I would expect him to play at this point being limited twice and also again more of that in a rest-aid thought process.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Green Bay getting stronger there.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you know, a big name, Jordan love.
• 18:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's back after his concussion.
• 18:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So many other ones that are interesting here.
• 18:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Dante and Wix has been limited with concussion.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I expect him to be able to go, like Willis should be available to back up Jordan love in case anything happens there.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So for the most part, besides the guys that are on IR, this Packer's team is relatively healthy.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I say relatively, just because, I mean,
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're running back room still is a little beat up, but who isn't at this time?
• 18:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: In terms of some of these players that are out right in between who are, or I should say, in terms of the players who are going to be playing this week who might have been out, Danny, who are you most upset will be playing this game?
• 18:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Most upset playing, I mean, probably short and love.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: just because he's the best football player and the $55 million man like I know I've been on record as saying Jordan Love can is like Jay Cutler with a nice guy attitude versus for some days he's the 16th best quarterback in the least some days he's the fifth best quarterback in the league you never know what you're gonna get but largely he's a good football player
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a better quarterback than Malik Willis to their this point in their career.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of Malik Willis's success is not does that mean qualification?
• 19:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's just like there's a segment of Packers Twitter or much where if you've gone down this road where they're like convinced Malik Willis is way better than than Jordan love because some advanced metrics like Jardt's birthday time.
• 19:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like the right thing to really will this move the ball differently and also specifically in a way that matches a better against the bears.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that, but I don't know.
• 19:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Man, if it's anyone other than the quarterback, I think you're just lying telling yourself a lie about who what toward love actually is to make yourself feel better.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: when you look at the numbers, I understand that people are going through this with like Matt will floor and Jordan love, like, you know, we got to throw them off a cliff because we don't believe in them, like we can find better.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the chances that you're gonna find better, especially right away are not good.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jordan love by efficiency standards is one of the best quarterbacks of football.
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know it doesn't always look or feel that way and every once in a while there's some games
• 20:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: bro, okay.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: But for the most part, he's a really good quarterback.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: He just is.
• 20:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think, you know, look no further than the way that he generally plays against the bears.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: There are two games in both of which he's been knocked out of where he's kind of scuffled a little bit relatively against the bears.
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Every other time, he's doing whatever he wants against Chicago.
• 21:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you're a packers fan, I think you need to be careful what you wish for.
• 21:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, in terms of Jordan love, you know, we knew he was going to play.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: They gave him this time off for this reason to bring him back.
• 21:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the other person that I would be thinking of here is definitely exact Tom, you know, even though he's a DNP, the bears, the bears' biggest defense of problem
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And look, if they really can't, if they really can't picture the quarterback at all, this is going to be a problem.
• 21:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because even if Kyler Gordon is back, like you said, there's going to be a snap count.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you don't know what level of conditioning is that?
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, can he, can he stick with Jaden Reed all the way across the field when he's you know, running it over out or he's dragging?
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that,
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Packers have done this the last couple of times.
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: They know how to attack this bear's team.
• 22:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Put your best receivers in the slot and pick on whoever's in there.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, it might be tougher with Kyler Gordon than it would be with CJ Gardner Johnson because God bless him.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's a solid player.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: He just can't run or like, yeah, we're going to put Jalen Johnson in there instead of on Christian Watson and run him across the field and Jalen Johnson, good player, not super fast.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they know what they're going to do.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not healthy right now.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: It would just make things so much better.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: If Montes, what was finally going to have a Montes sweat game, be really disruptive and get Jordan low off the spot.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know that that's going to happen.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you want Montes what to do to think where he's not impactful for 90% of his snaps, gets one clean up sack and everyone's like, there he is, hooray.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yay, and I got a couple of legit sex.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Good job.
• 23:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey, hey, this place.
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not not I'm not trying to be a Montess what the fender that's not what this is.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just want I think there needs to be the nuance and context of there.
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not playing up to the contract he's being given versus he's not being an impactful player because he's he's a solid impactful player.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is just not up to what you need him to be as edge one.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's a fair way to put it, but it's I'm never going to let that move live down with everything that was sunk into him.
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then it's also like where do you direct your eye or right, it's not at Montez.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's a well-treated sister.
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: The best bookie man of the bear is building anything that goes wrong.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had to write the press Taylor who has nothing to do with anything except for breaking down film.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Very lovely, man.
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, it's quick break here.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes, and then we'll get into the meat of the matter.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very, he's a lovely man.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I might run out of any other stuff here.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get right into it.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: This new segment that we have for the playoffs, the playoff kinetic chain breakdown.
• 24:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, how everything is going to connect interest
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, it was gonna happen here on Saturday.
• 24:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so questions, I'm gonna throw them out there.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna direct them at somebody.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the questions, both of you are answer.
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some of them only, one of you will answer.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, it's what it is.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Kairi, are you surprised that this game is the Saturday night game?
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then also as a part of that, Packers rested their starters right last week.
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were locked into the 17th and have to worry about it.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ferris did not do so or he could be trying to lock in their second seed, which did not go very great against the lions.
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a shorter week, right?
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Saturday night game, Ferris's starters don't get as much of a rest.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Does that where you at all?
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, because honestly, I'm just kind of like whatever happens happens, I'm not in charge of the scheduling, but I would say it doesn't.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't bother me the way that it transpired.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was it a little bit unlucky?
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Probably.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing, the packers had nothing to play for.
• 25:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: They were locked in, good for them.
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: They could rest their starters.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: The bears decided that they wanted to play their starters because they wanted the number two overall seed.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I understand why.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because having the number two overall seed means way more to them.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: then probably any other team that had anything to play for, definitely met more for them than it did the Eagles in my opinion.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because the prospect of teams having to come to play in soldier field when it's potentially like 10 degrees or lower is a major, in theory, home field advantage as much as you can have.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will say this, right?
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a shorter week,
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're probably gonna be a little bit more sore and obviously they didn't practice really and, you know, in full on Tuesday.
• 26:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: But they kept a lot of stuff back.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will say this.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: The energy wasn't really there last week and it was frustrating to see them play that way.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I do think that there is a level of,
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Gamesmanship at least with the game planning itself.
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: They clearly have a lot more stuff up there sleeve for the Packers on Sunday, but they didn't want to show so even if they couldn't rest their bodies, they were able to rest the playbook a little bit and hopefully that will be enough and the other thing to is.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: They, there's no rust issue here.
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've been playing, and they're not gonna have to get up to speed.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they've also probably been preparing for the Packers during last week too.
• 27:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Danny, the Bears and Packers have split the season series one, one, the two closed games.
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: What has actually changed, if anything, since the last time these teams played semantically, emotionally, or is this really, you know, the same two teams going at it?
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think like in the physical sense, it's really the same two teams.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Both are still pretty hurt and missing some key contributors.
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Both are still obviously the bears and the packers.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think the one thing that's really changed, you can feel, like at least in my opinion, with some of the quotes coming out of green bay and stuff, there's a level of
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Almost like desperation coming out of that building, like you can feel the four straight losses with one of them being against their division rival, the oldest rival in the NFL.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's the other side where it's like, maybe like, well, before I get to that point, where they can maybe, I think you see them maybe feeling the bears getting good in front of them.
• 28:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not just for the division, what we've seen the bears when a division
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, here and there throughout the course for a lot of this.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this is probably the first time that that organization feels like this is sustainable.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And especially when the quarterback really since I brought it up before, but that giant's game really felt like current point where Caleb was no longer swimming, no longer in space just trying to figure out what
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It felt like just they were the light bulb kind of came on for him, so they got the coach, the quarterback is on the east end and seemingly figured it out and the vibes are good for the bears versus the the packers are very much emotional and almost seemingly like desperate or reeling some extent.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And do I think the bears aren't outright better and more talented for fall team?
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, not by any stretch, but I do think it's two different iterations of what's being played.
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: One is a growing up team of confidence.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: One is like, we need to win this because we need to show we're still the big brother kind of thing.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like them seeing their little brother get bigger and stronger and faster than them in front of them.
• 29:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So actually I'm glad you said that because I had this question, I was going to ask you if my last tire is into kind of where he answered it.
• 29:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is this more about the bear's proving they have arrived or the packers trying to reassert ownership of the rivalry, you know, essentially who is mortal losing, who is mortal gain in this match of carry?
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good one.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that the way the media is kind of spinning it right now, it's that the bear you know they they would kind of be the bears have to prove they belong that you know we're rolling with the packers and their pedigree because the bears always folded the packers etc and the bears have to prove it and you know until further notice.
• 30:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: forgetting, I think, that the bears have split these last four matches and even Dan or Lovsky being like, oh, yeah, I think the Packers win and they win handedly.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: They haven't won handedly in two years.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why, why do you think they're suddenly going to win handedly now?
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Ralph Locke says that Green Bay has more talents and he is a bears fan, but you can keep it real and we might lose big Saturday.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they have more talent now that Micah Parsons has gone.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've talked to a couple of people out this that have played in the lead.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And again, I think that it's an over-generalization to say that losing Micah Parsons means that like they're a terrible team because they're not, they're still a good team.
• 31:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I would argue that losing Parsons really reduces that margin and look when they had Parsons earlier this year, it still came down to
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, one throw that if Caleb Williams, you know, had got it out on time, you know, was, you know, you tie the game, probably, and it goes to overtime.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think that this is some huge talent gap for the bears.
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really don't.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that it's, if you want my answer to this question, I think Green Bay is probably under a little bit of pressure right now to prove that they controlled this matchup.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they are, I mean, they might be the betting favorite, but they are the number seven seed here.
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: They have to go to Chicago and they have to win without Parsons.
• 31:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a tougher road for the Packers than I think people are are letting on about.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that that means the bears are definitely destined to win, but I think that the bears have given themselves the best possible chance to win this game.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's something that has to be said.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, people kind of forget Brian Murphy specifically said he was not extending either good at couldn't start the track or lower.
• 32:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't do that early.
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: That opens the door and leaves at least that door open for potentially a change to be made at either position.
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think it's crazy if the packers were to let go of a lower because grass is always greener kind of thing.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: But a couple of names have popped up.
• 32:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to get into all that, but you know, it is interesting to talk
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: somewhat left or out, some were just going to be like, hey, wait and see.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, A, be careful with you, which for, but also there is a little subtext to this this game that if you have another instance where you get balanced, because this is what the third time that they're the seventh seed, which in past, past seasons, wouldn't have even made the playoffs for the packer.
• 33:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that does, does matter.
• 33:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, Danny, this one is for you.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know that there are a couple of the Bayers fans for sure, but actually some previous Bayers players, especially some of those individuals kind of in the Earl Acre, or your things that nature who were actively rooting to not play the packers, just some consternation about going to go against a team that's held.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: this division and help this match up, you know, if I throw it for a while, is there a reason why bears fans bears a lump?
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do you want to want to look at it?
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Should no longer fear playing the Packers and really should want this match up?
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or should you they have hopes that they had pulled the Rams, the Seahawks, the 49ers, however.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think this is the level of consternation between admitting the Packers are less desirable matchup than say the green didn't say
• 33:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: At former alumni, players, analysts, etc., are afraid of the bear's matchup with the Packers.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think those are two different arguments, or two different frameworks.
• 34:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Myself personally, I would have much rather seen the 49ers, but I understand one in the second seed.
• 34:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that I'm afraid of the Packers.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's that the bears literally haven't had the lead and in a game this year, and that Jeff Haffley and Matt LaFlor frankly, in the first two matchups, have out coached the bearers.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's,
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no, they were taking it to that deep.
• 34:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were moving the ball at Will on San Francisco, where I felt they were more beatable, especially when you bring San Francisco to a cold-blooded environment.
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Versus Green Bay plays in the cold.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're built for a more cold-blooded game as well.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's, again, that's not me saying, I think the thing if you have alumni, like,
• 34:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, that's not listening.
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jerry Azuma would say for some reason in my brain shot, that's what you do.
• 35:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Random shot across the bottom of the former bears kick returner.
• 35:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like, because these guys didn't have success against those teams.
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when like I know that quote lives on, but the Aaron Rodgers I own you, I've always owned you.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll always live on until they get rid of it.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now should the bears bears of this roster feel that way and should fans feel it way?
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, because I will sit here and tell you at the beginning of the year, I didn't know where we're Johnson with land and I didn't know where Caleb Williams with land and the pecking order of this NFC North.
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: As it stands right now, they have, I believe they have the best head coach in the NFC North and they have what I believe will be the best quarterback by midseason next year in the NFC North.
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't be afraid of anybody.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: the recipe for sustained long NFL success.
• 35:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have what a guy who should be in the MVP conversations according to that point forward, and you have that guy ahead code to should be in the mold of McVay, Shanna Han, LeFlor, et cetera.
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now that being said, kind of like you alluded to, this game, if the bear's win has a lot of ability to flip the NFC on its head, because I personally believe if the packers lose and and don't reassert themselves as the dominant big brother in this relationship, I believe Matt Lefler will be fired.
• 36:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, I mean, we've, we've just, this was not a new conversation,
• 36:38
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• 37:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, scares me the most and why right at this moment is probably Christian Watson because the bears have shown a negative ability to cover anything lately or get off the field on third down and Christian Watson since he's been back from IR and even with this, the shoulder injury that he had, tendency to just have big, a couple of big plays a game and ruin your day and he's good at football better than I ever thought he would be coming out of,
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: was in North Dakota State University, NDSU with, yeah, and just like, I'm just the surface of what he could do.
• 37:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I would love to say Josh Jacobs.
• 37:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think he's right.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: That knee is not going to be right till next year.
• 37:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I frankly, I think they're going to have to throw the ball.
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Throwing the ball is how they probably end up beating the bears if that's what happens they're kind of it's going to be put on Jordan love shoulders.
• 38:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 38:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to answer?
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I already want the next one.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would say Christian Watson.
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that not just because you stole my answer cut them off.
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go.
• 38:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: This speed and home run hitting ability, whether it's down the field or whether you're taking it in the slot and having him run away from somebody, no matter who it is.
• 38:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he could run away from Jalen Johnson too.
• 38:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think,
• 38:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: He and just generally the, you know, the issues with the slot defense are going to force the bears to make some difficult decisions about how they play defense because in order to really stop this stuff, you want to be able to play zone and make it more difficult, make Jordan love have to read it out.
• 38:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: But if you only rush for, you're probably not getting to Jordan love and he's going to be able to do whatever he wants anyway and he's going to have all the time in the world.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then if you play man coverage and try to get home, then he's going to, they're going to roll Christian Watson inside, they're on the slant and see if he can take it 60 yards.
• 39:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that definitely worries me.
• 39:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: We already saw that.
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to see it again.
• 39:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: A couple of more bare centric questions, Danny, for you first.
• 39:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: With two or three yards of offense, Sunday, the various drop with third in the NFL, the sixth and total offense.
• 39:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, this is actually per kept in fish vein.
• 39:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Two teams that jumped them were the Lions who had 433 yards in that game, social field and Mitsubis E-led builds with 470.
• 39:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's still the franchise record the best finish in 1983 though.
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, Danny, are you concerned at all about the offense going into this game?
• 39:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not really, no, I think they've shown a ability to be the most six, I'd believe I'd last check.
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't check after the Lions game, but going at following the week 17 matchup against the, against the Niners, I believe they led the league and explosive game, explosive place per game.
• 39:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was the little stuff and getting the needing to get like the easy stuff and the, the lay-ups as it were,
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: along with holding out of the damn football and it's thrown into your hands and you know, running with it.
• 40:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But no, it's a great finish for the offense.
• 40:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: For an offense that started just patheticly slow the first couple weeks of the season until they got right after the buy.
• 40:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like leading up to the week by buy.
• 40:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were like using it almost as like an elongated breezes into sitting there what they could or could not do.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know how checked into that game the bears were until the 4th of the quarter.
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, so I don't, that's an indictment on the coaching staff and players to some degree, obviously.
• 40:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't like how it looked.
• 40:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I also think there was some level of, they were gearing up in their brains for the playoffs.
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, because they have never been there before.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, no, I'm not, I don't really want to put much stock
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: big games happen, especially the week 18 in the NFL is just walky and weird.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: talking a lot of either reporters that were there or fans that were there that game, they were talking about it even just the stadium didn't have the energy that it probably should have had from like fandom and stuff too.
• 41:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, if you as a fan are getting out for the game, it's not surprising that maybe some of the players and coaches aren't necessarily.
• 41:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, looking ahead to the Packers matchup, Kyrie, what do
• 41:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
• 41:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I am going to throw a wild one out there that I don't even know is necessarily a good idea, but I might experiment with Tyre Kill as a solution to your slot corner problem.
• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that Ryerson?
• 42:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Tyre, Stevenson.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, is his deal
• 42:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, you said Tyre Hill.
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Tyre Hill is one.
• 42:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think he's the best one we've ever used.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Tyre, Tyre Hill defending receivers in the slot.
• 42:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sick.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be faster than all of them.
• 42:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's one thing you could say.
• 42:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: You would have been faster than all of them.
• 42:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Tyre history is not as a potential solution to your slot corner problem.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't necessarily love that idea, but I feel like, especially if you've got Kyver Gordon on the snap count and you're not sure how he's going to be.
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think it's fine to like, um, Nishon right on the outside.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's played solidly and is better suited for that.
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Steven Sidden has a bit more speed to him and I think could maybe give you a little bit of that skill set if you want it just to give it a different look.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's kind of my idea like maybe that's part of why it's like we're keeping them off the field for a second and now we're going to throw them in there and kind of some in these dime packages or or nickel or whatever just to be like, oh, okay, well,
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I had this question for later, but you brought it up.
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: The bear secondary has been rough as of late.
• 43:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Feeling Johnson is nowhere near 100% Nishan just can't match up, man to man on crossers or comebacks.
• 43:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Teenage Garner Johnson obviously was doing his best, but he's truly a safety end now from custom out.
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Daniel, I'll flip this to you then.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: With all that being said, I mean, why is Tyrex students in playing the same number of snaps as Tyson, phaget in that last game, AKA, as zero?
• 43:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is it possible he just sucks?
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, this is very possible that he's not now.
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't suck.
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: We like because we've seen him play well.
• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they're well.
• 44:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So here's the here's the thing, Mason, and I don't know that I can say that because Nashon right has been getting barbecued the last couple weeks and been just the target of offensive play golfers between between Dan Campbell last week and
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Shanahan will be before that.
• 44:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been just the guy they pick on.
• 44:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we all kind of notice on right isn't as good as the turnovers would indicate.
• 44:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And every year there's one of these random corners, especially going into free agency, who calls us a litany of turnovers and looks way better than they actually are.
• 44:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm happy for notice on right.
• 44:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get paid.
• 44:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not that good at football.
• 44:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that's actively untrue.
• 44:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was playing good football this year before he got hurt Okay, so and then he became the Sean right again.
• 44:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry.
• 44:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was talking about Tyree pretty time on the Sean.
• 44:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's that one I was talking about Sean right there.
• 45:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, but he's not he's not good.
• 45:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that yeah, I agree with you Sorry, so my point is if he's not good and they're not playing Tyree doesn't that also probably indicate that Tyree isn't that good
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think so my perspective on Tyree, and you can take that's how you tell you so choose, but my is that he is a core that fits in a specific kind of play silence game right in these more of a man to man guy, then he is his own guy in my opinion.
• 45:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: In addition to that, he's a guy that plays with the swagger and when mentally he gets messed up and we saw that last year with the whole Washington debacle that messes with his ability to play.
• 45:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then as I said, because again, I thought you're talking about Sean, but with Tyreek, he was playing well when before he had this most recent injury, he came back from the injury and he is again, not looked very good.
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I do think a part of that is he's a guy that has to trust his body and gets affected by that.
• 45:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not saying actively that, you know, he should be starting over
• 46:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when Nishon's looking like burnt toast, at least what we've seen from Tairiq across his early career, he is better at coverage than Nishon is, is he not sure.
• 46:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I could, I could agree with that.
• 46:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, just going to be throw out in the screen for a second, so William, Mr. William Bowman.
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Jalen Johnson's ever played safety a snap in his career.
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can.
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: What?
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: not trying that.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think at some point, well, this is now like a, I say I wouldn't get off the rails.
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get off the rails with a question.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is he the kind of corner if that could do the Ramsey thing when he, because he lost a set and play safety?
• 46:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really see him like that at all.
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you're going to do that.
• 46:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not like some rangey, ball hockey kind of guy.
• 46:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's necessarily an exceptional tackler.
• 46:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like his thing that way, he's got great feet and he mirrors.
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're like exactly.
• 46:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: He is a cornerback.
• 46:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like he's, you know, not over.
• 47:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like you might be the fastest cornerback, but look, you don't always have to have the greatest top end speed in the world.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: To be a corner back.
• 47:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Any other thing you've got to remember with him is that, yeah, so he's hurt.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he's probably not a hundred percent, but maybe a hundred percent Jalen Johnson, you bring him back next year and he's in a lead corner back again.
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look, you can't just throw him at safety and just be like, oh yeah, that'll be great.
• 47:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, hold on.
• 47:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is not.
• 47:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what this is, Kyrie, this is people who play too much madden.
• 47:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: The problem is, the problem is, it's a valid point.
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's trying to earn his career maybe.
• 47:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So William is trying to solve a problem.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: The problem is, Jalen Johnson is slow a ship right now.
• 47:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like he can't keep up.
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you're paying this guy, and the other, the problem is there's not an easy solution to this, right?
• 47:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because you've other guys that are hurt, like Tyre Stevenson, and now Nishon, right?
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: he had some injury and illness at some point.
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: You just, you don't have an actual answer here.
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: So but unfortunately, this is your team and you just got to play with burnt toast, Jalen Johnson for now.
• 48:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, burnt toast, Jalen.
• 48:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the reality is that, look, you don't.
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: People were complaining about the bear's defense after the 49ers game.
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a part of it that's like, I don't know what you want.
• 48:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: At this point, the defense isn't good.
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: The defense isn't going to magically get better.
• 48:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's not one player that you could put in this lineup that'll make the defense all of a sudden be amazing, right?
• 48:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Either they have weaknesses, they have flaws and good teams in the playoffs are going to know how to exploit it.
• 48:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they're going to exploit the flaws.
• 48:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you know, you got to get lucky or those dudes up front got to play better.
• 48:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or Jalen Johns has got to play better.
• 48:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just what it is.
• 48:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to magically
• 48:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: make this a top 10 defense.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: You gotta live with it, you gotta write out, I'm sorry.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one thing I think you could do is I think there could be some scheme changes.
• 48:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: that could help, you're not fixing it, but it does bother me that, and this is the dentist Allen over it all, it does bother me that, there doesn't seem to be a lot of adjustments in game.
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if there's a game where it's like, look, we're playing a bunch of zone.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jordan love this tossing you up like you would up, and you don't adjust at all on that game.
• 49:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: You see that you're playing a bunch of men, against the lions, and because you want to blitz.
• 49:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then you see, that's not working.
• 49:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, you know what, we're gonna keep doing it.
• 49:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's my biggest problem is the lack of in-game adjustment when you see that the thing you want to try, which is great, because you don't have a lot to work with right now when you're dancing on.
• 49:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's 100% true, but it's like, also, could you make a little bit of a change?
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think they have the bodies to try to change in-game.
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's, I know that sounds like a cop-out, but it's the genuine truth.
• 49:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: But what I'm asking for is, disguise your man and play some zone every one more frequently in the game.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: My thing is saying, Dennis Allen has one of the most static defenses.
• 49:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: If they're in one high, they're in one high.
• 49:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: If they're into a high, they're into a high.
• 49:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: You do not see them start to enroll down to one.
• 50:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I wholeheartedly believe in japan briskers ability to walk 10 yards forward as the ball is being snapped.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder, and this is super wishful thinking.
• 50:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that they are saving stuff for the playoffs.
• 50:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, it was even thinking of it when they were talking about how much man coverage they were playing in this last game.
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was a part of me that thought, you know what, maybe they're just trying something out here and seeing what we can do.
• 50:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which is entirely possible.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, we haven't really done this lot.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what it looks like.
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which obviously, it was bad.
• 50:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just really hope that they've been saving stuff in their bag for this.
• 50:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know what, we'll keep on hold there.
• 50:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you're right.
• 50:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, so back to some of the questions.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll carry this one for you.
• 50:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the last five games, Caleb has logged 15, 13, 30, 18, and one rushing yard.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Should then lean on Caleb's legs more.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not saying run him 15 times.
• 51:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's saying two or three design runs maybe in our PO here and there, or at least even, or a conversation of saying, if you don't see it, take off.
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't see it take off, you don't need to be doing design runs for Caleb Williams unless, you know, we're talking about the quarterbacks sneak or you want to get tricky in the, you know, at some point do like a read option or something when you've handed the ball off enough times and they're not paying attention.
• 51:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think with Caleb Williams, unlike a Justin Fields or something like that, where you're kind of expecting it,
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: You might not be expecting Caleb Williams to keep one on a zone read and you could get away with that in the red zone or on a fourth and two or whatever it is maybe.
• 51:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that by and large you let Caleb Williams create.
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: The way that he does, you tell him to step up in the pocket and take off if he sees a lane because look Caleb's got wheels and his legs have done some damage.
• 52:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know against the member of defenses and he picked up some key yards at the end of that first pack or then the second packers match up that they want so I would say.
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tell him that if it's not there or if you see it.
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Go for it.
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, keep playing with the rhythm you've had from the pocket, because we don't want to mess that up.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I like that answer.
• 52:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Last offense and more specific question for you, Danny.
• 52:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Cole's love in his sixth and EPA pretarget and Luther Bird in his 13th as rookies.
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Their context, 1 through 5, are Pook and Akua, stuff on digs, George Kittle, Alec Pierce, and George Piggins.
• 52:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is this Ben Johnson just cooking or are these dudes for real?
• 52:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or both?
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's some level of both, obviously.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I think,
• 52:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: specifically, call some loved ones.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is just one of them ones to tie that.
• 53:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know it when you see it, you saw it early with Brock Bowers last year.
• 53:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: You saw it really with Sam Laporta a couple of years ago.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You saw it really with Tray McBride down in Arizona.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you just know you got one of those guys to tie that.
• 53:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But
• 53:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Luther, I think is a bit more interesting because it's sample size up.
• 53:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna guess it's smaller.
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 53:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then Colson's.
• 53:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm not saying that it's fool's golden or anything because I fully believe and I was actually texting Kyrie in our group chat about this earlier.
• 53:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Luther Burton is fantastic with the football of the stands.
• 53:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's only gonna get better.
• 53:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of that is due to schemeed open stuff early on in his career.
• 53:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ben is told us he wants people, he doesn't want contested thrones.
• 53:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: He wants people open.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fine.
• 53:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good with it.
• 53:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think both of them are just really damn good for ball players and those two picks specifically could be setting up the Bears offense long-term because I said it very early when it's sort of when we started to see a flash here there like week to week from Luther Bird and that Luther Bird was most valuable wide receiver on the Bears, including Roman doomsday and I got
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, but I believe that then I believe it more now.
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're two best offensive targets are these two rookies.
• 54:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think it's particularly close.
• 54:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I also actually thought that Rome would take another step this year.
• 54:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, part of it is the injury, of course, but even Crete injury, there were just too many times where you expected him to maybe be a little bit more of a ball winner, right?
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And either via drop or even really a drop, but like a true contested catch you wouldn't come down with and used and really see that end on top of that, like you talked about Danny.
• 54:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Luther's bag of movements is just so electric that.
• 54:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's crazy.
• 54:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I said it like week four, four, six on this show where he has don't let me get on the field energy because he's going to take your F and job and that's what's happened.
• 55:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: He got on the field and he took your fucking job.
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was just going to be DJ Moore's job, but it's he's taken Roam's wife or silver one job.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not that Roam can't, you know, still be a really good player, but they're just two very different kinds of receivers too.
• 55:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: They are.
• 55:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, this one's for you.
• 55:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So follow me down this path a little bit.
• 55:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: In week 18, the lines, some of the longer lines drives were 11 plays, 16 plays, nine plays, 11 plays, 10 plays, the time possession difference, 35 to about 24 minutes favoring the lines.
• 55:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: In week 17, the 49ers had played drives of 9, 9, 15, 8, time possession, 33 to about 26 favoring the 49ers.
• 55:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: week 16 Packers 9, 14, 16, 9, 10 drop play drives with a time preserve session difference 38 minutes for the Packers 26 for the bears.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing has really seemed to work consistently for this defense as we've already talked about.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: What is the answer to trying to shift some of this time of possession and or increasing the number of drives that the bears can get, because at the end of the day, the bears are losing out on the drive opportunities due to how long some of these drives for the opposing team are taking.
• 56:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I might flip this one.
• 56:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that there's anything they can do to.
• 56:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: shorten the drives.
• 56:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the way to do it is to reduce the number of drives in the game by keeping the damn ball in yourself.
• 56:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was saying to be honest, yeah.
• 56:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 56:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And because look, the defense we know what it is, right?
• 56:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And unfortunately, Andrew Billings has taken a step back in terms of his ability to be kind of a run-plugging guy.
• 56:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't necessarily think that
• 56:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the run defense is the biggest problem with the defense, but I think it is a problem because if you are constantly in second and three and third and four.
• 57:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not great.
• 57:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you need to find a way, because this, in the end, people will, we'll talk about the past defense and the corners.
• 57:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: You gotta be able to stuff these guys on the first down the second down.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in your base defense, you've got to force them into some third and longs, for third and mediums or whatever, give yourself a chance.
• 57:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the other side of that is just on offense, you have to hold the ball.
• 57:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have to dominate the time of possession.
• 57:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to have the 10 play, 12 play, 11 play drives.
• 57:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to chew it up.
• 57:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's where the bear's run game is arguably the most important factor offensively in the playoffs.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: More so even, I feel like then Caleb Williams ability to be Superman or Roman did that coming back or whatever.
• 57:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: at soldier field for as long as they can or even if they have to go to Seattle.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you can run the football, you will have a chance.
• 58:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: uh... the this was per uh... tege set on twitter so that's that's fb analytics i'm sure i want to see this but it's highlighted uh... the final running back total EPA lead board of the season deandry swift and it's second with 28.7 rushing EPA and you also had calman nungai uh... at twelve with thirteen point nine that's pretty good company to be keeping so i absolutely carry i mean you have to have to
• 58:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, last like full question before we just kind of do a general conversation here.
• 58:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, follow me down this pathway.
• 58:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Packers Bears will be officially by Adrian Hill's crew that is dead-lasting games called this year with 14, but seconds and penalty flags thrown per game at 17.9 per game.
• 58:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they really go after aggressive corner-back play.
• 58:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hill hasn't worked at Packers Game this year, but actually apparently he's an aerospace software engineer in the past life crazy.
• 59:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did call two one-score games for the bears this year.
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was the Vegas and the New York Giants Games.
• 59:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: This year, he's calling about one more off his polling per game than the NFL average, his games also have a 46% increase in a defensive pass in our appearances, 102% increase in a legal contact calls compared to the NFL average.
• 59:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: His crew calls on his favorite offense at a 44% lower rate than the rest of the NFL defensive off sides at 60% less and illegal use of hands at 67% less.
• 59:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: So just with all that thought process in mind,
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: who does this favor more?
• 59:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Personally, I just feel like a lot of bearish drives either don't even really get off the ground or end because of penalties.
• 59:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm a little worried.
• 59:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I can feel why people will be worried.
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm the wrong person to ask for zebra talk because I feel like fans inherently think refs hate their team.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even though the same shitty refs are calling plays for both
• 1:00:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: coin penalties for both teams and always it always seemingly even's out if you go and look at the totals near the end again.
• 1:00:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bears big, big bug of it was pre-snap penalties on office.
• 1:00:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what kills them.
• 1:00:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 1:00:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really care about the, like, you know, the off side stuff or whatnot, even though,
• 1:00:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Truth be told, it seems like every week now Caleb gets one of those Aaron Rodgers S plays on like third and inches or fourth and inches to get a guy off and just roll up, throw a free play and see what happens.
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: But no, I don't, I don't really think it's much of a factor because
• 1:00:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I think when you start, here's what I'll say, I think bear's fans, teams that are fans of traditionally losing franchises are more prone to blaming rest because it's an easy scapegoat when your team sucks.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I've just never subscribed to that, so I'm the wrong person to really ask to delve into that conversation too much.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The way I'm going to go to you in a second for this one too, the way I was going more with this is, like you said, the pre-snaps stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you are creating more opportunity for a flag happy crew or in general flag happy on both sides, crew to potentially throw a flag, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a problem.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And we have just seen so far for whatever reason that a where a team that is so disciplined in a lot of other things just
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  [SPEAKER_00]: mentally still figuring it out or undisciplined to how we want to look at it or what are you going to attribute it to specifically in some of that pre-snapsed stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's more about opportunity, there it is, man, the bears are getting screwed.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's going to mainly be an issue as you kind of hinted on defense.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You would hope that, you know, hey, you know, you get a better whistle at home, but I think it's going to mainly be an issue for past plays and it could be especially a problem if the bears, you know, have to play a lot of men against these wide receivers because
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The packers, why receivers are just going to be faster than whoever the bears put in front of them generally and so there's probably going to be some holding and grabbing of tyrig Stevenson's out there.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You're probably going to get some penalties on him because it's pretty part for the course.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like that's where I'm going to see people get pissed off is holding penalties and pass interference on the bears.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the main thing is going to be, okay, how do you force that on the other end and I feel like.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: the guy who could draw those kinds of penalties the most on the other side of the equation is going to be colst and loveland.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever linebacker or safety they're putting on him, he is, you know, such a good receiver and such a magic problem that I could see some some flags going his way in particular.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so Bear God check.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This is a part of the show we've done before, but again, a little different for this playoff matchup.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to go to you, Danny, first, pay me a word picture.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you could about what you think is going to happen in this game, who's going to win and why it would happen.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: What do I think, I think this is going to be a rock fight for all intensive purposes, fight because.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you want it a word, picture.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be wrong.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I took off.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The way I imagine they're going to try to do this is the same way the player has gone about this pretty much the first two games.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Control the ball.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: lot of death 5,000 paper cuts, you know, passing concepts, a lot of Josh Jacobs and the the forget his name, but the running refrigerator, who backs up Josh Jacobs, who's just he's a bad body running back.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I forget his name.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The manual will send the bad body running back.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, God, but there's just I and when I say that, I also mean it on the other side, where
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  [SPEAKER_01]: the Packers linebackers are so well disciplined.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And what I did in fact, you're in when we were talked about the second game when they really fall into purposes, kind of shut down the bears running backs.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like they ran for 150 yards.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: 40 of those yards were as a DJ more end around.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And a Caleb Williams, like 38 yards on the ground.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it wasn't like the running backs did all the damage.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No, Swift only had 58.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And when I got hit 50 for averages at 4.5 and 5.6, but yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Basically, I think they're going to try to do the cold weather thing where I think they're projecting 20 to 30 mile an hour gusts of wind, which Caleb has the arm to rip through that, but I think they are going to try to line up and pound the ball.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I really think it's going to go that way both ways and it's just going to be it really may end up looking a lot like the first two matchups for whoever's got the ball last going to win.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And the thing I would like to point out is, I think the bears will end up winning this game.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: In this rock fight, I don't think it goes forward time they'll probably win by like six or something like that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But I just think that the thing that they have to do if they really want to ensure like a comfortable victory where you're not just like sweating it out and grinding your teeth
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  [SPEAKER_01]: by getting their linebackers out of source.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And by that, I mean, establishing the run game like Kyrie was at ballooning too.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And then getting them to come down and commit to that and letting the tight ends then make the, had these linebackers make business decisions.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I went back and watched both games in all 22 against the linebackers.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Jeff Haffley has those linebackers coached
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  [SPEAKER_01]: they fill, they flow, they stack and they are very, very good.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, for a guy who loves linebacker play, like, they're as close to probably the most well coached unit in the league is you're gonna get in terms of just how you play the position of linebacker in today's NFL.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't seem like they're in his steps, like they're not like taking the wrong step forward or backwards at any given time.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And you can't, and they don't get fooled, yeah, ever.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's it's remarkable how well coach there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's a happy thing.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I think happily actually cut his teeth as a lineback in coach if what memory serves or might be speaking out of turn there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's what I think is going to be their key to victory is really despite the spine of the defense in the middle for the like in terms of safety and defensive tackles for the packers is kind of beat up and gone.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like those like that are playing really good football.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think you coached a lot as a defensive backscoach actually.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Really.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was the, I thought it was linebackers.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So, Kari, thank you for catching that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What is, I mean, if you had pulled that, that this random, not random, but this DC and you knew that he was a linebackers coach, it would have been nuts.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But because you do know that stuff though, it's just weird.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: How you, how you've had that locked in your brain.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I have, I'm terrible with all those things.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Kari, what is your word picture for how you think this game turns out?
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Slugfest to the death, I think that's really what's, it's going to feel like a war of attrition, just like the last one, going to beat the hell out of each other, it's going to be cold, it's going to be like, yeah, I mean, I think about how the bears came out with everything they have in that last game, you could see it.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And even going into the end of the fourth and over time, both teams were pretty beat up, and it's just going to be a matter of who wants it more.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that, you know, obviously execution is going to matter and who's better coached, but I think that in the end, these are to even if not completely equally coach teams to well coach teams.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: and it's going to come down to just who wants to make that play or who's going to slip up at the end opportune time who's going to take advantage.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's where having the team that is turned over opponents the most in the entire league and given the ball away the least of any team in the NFL can potentially help you.
• 1:08:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, that is our preview for Packers, Bears at Soldier Field, Saturday on Amazon Prime of all things.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Seven, seven, five, seven, seven, 20, whatever the actual pickoff is.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I wish we could.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for joining us here really appreciate it cool that we you guys are a part of the first Fair playoff bare bones There wasn't in an opportunity to do this before as Playhouse run a thing for the bears But of the play.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully this is a consistent thing from here on out where they were talking this year You know, maybe string together a couple wins and going forward Absolutely man.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks so much for having us.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's good to be back and and bear down.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know Any parting words there, Danny?
• 1:09:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh... carry you are maroon quite literally uh... one has two thumbs and he's time for this guy