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Searching for and Healing Your Authentic Self with Arnie Freiman · Authentic Living

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  Welcome to authentic living with Roxanne, a place where we conscious conversations about
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  things that really matter in our lives.
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  And now here's your host, Roxanne Derhodge.
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  Hi, everyone.
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  It's Roxanne Derhodge of the authentic living with Roxanne.
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  Today, I have, Arnie Freedman with me today.
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  Hi, Arnie.
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  How are you today?
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  I just great.
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  How are you doing?
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  So Artie's, gracious with his presence today, and he's done a lot of things in his career
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  path, but, I thought I'd tell you a little bit about his his his bio that I have in front of
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  me.
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  His path, life journey has led him on a path of passion and whole person authenticity.
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  And you know that I talk about the, as much as I can, spiritual health care and education.
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  His expensive history ensured depth of character, and he is enables him to serve as an
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  insightful guide for folks in search of their inner most truest self.
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  And and then a path that I know all of us are on on a on an ongoing basis.
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  Arnie is a feeler.
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  He he feels life, his and yours deeply uses love, wisdom, spirituality, humor, fresh air,
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  and food.
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  I like that part to to to lead people home.
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  So, Arnie, you've obviously had a full curve path.
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  And, you know, you've been in health and wellness for a very long time.
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  So kind of share with the the listeners what made you choose the this path, way back with?
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  I don't know if I made a choice that was conscious.
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  It kept evolving.
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  I started out by really wanting to, clean up our cities and studied urban planning and city
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  until I realized that that wasn't really the path that I wanted to take.
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  And so I actually, bought a farm in West Virginia, started teaching college, and looking
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  at our history, who we are.
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  And that led to really wanting to explore models of learning.
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  So I went off and did my graduate work in transformative learning models and develop
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  different ways that we actually can hear information and take it in.
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  And different pat patterns and tones and frequencies and so on.
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  From there, I got so enthralled in healing coming out of a philosophy from the east.
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  And so I started studying Chinese medicine, at the time, it was illegal in the US to practice
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  acupuncture.
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  And I, being who I am, I said, well, that's silly.
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  So I worked at the state of Massachusetts and co founded the 1st acupuncture school in the
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  US.
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  And after that, we worked on getting the profession licensed.
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  I got so intrigued at that point with the intersection of health care, philosophy, and
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  spirituality.
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  And then I went to the West Coast to California and found it the 1st naturopathic medical
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  college there.
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  Well, at that point, after getting the school all set up opened, which was no easy thing to
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  accomplish.
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  I then developed Hodgkin's lymphoma.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  Was told I would be dead.
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  And at the time, I said, no.
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  I don't think so.
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  I was in my early thirties.
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  And started to delve very deeply into my own life, what was going on inside me, and develop
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  models to really look and listen deeply to what's going on inside of my being.
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  And created a strategy for how I was gonna get through this illness and in so doing at the
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  same time, learned the depth that we all have within ourselves and how we can really go in
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  and pay attention to that really profound place where we can pay attention to what's occurring.
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  And that began, what has now been a life's journey looking at that from a deep, rigorous
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  place of doing that work.
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  So tell me like, you must have, obviously, you get a diagnosis like this.
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  This is, you know, any of us get scared, right, as soon as we get something like that.
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  And I think I read I don't know if it was on your website or that you in the hospital, you
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  bought a house,
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  I was they they told me one day that, it had spread and sent in the social workers And they
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  said, you know, well, this is what's happening and, you know, you should get things in order.
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  So instead of getting things in order, I bought a home.
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  They said, well, you're crazy.
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  I said, well, that's most likely true.
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  But what's that got to do with anything?
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  I said buying a home, 1st of all, would give my family a place to be.
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  And second of all, was an affirming action to say I'm not ready to leave yet.
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  And one way or the other, if I'm not here, they have a home.
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  And if I am here, we have a home, and it it but it it wasn't an affirmation, wasn't it?
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  It was an action step to say, I'm not ready to move on yet.
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  I mean, they told me a few times after doing too many surgeries that they kept seeing it in
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  different places, but it never was there in those new places.
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  So truthfully at one point, I blessed them, thanked them, and said it's time to move on
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  because I have a life to now live.
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  And started to really focus in different directions.
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  I would also say for those that are, you know, encountering real life physical crisis.
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  We need to take control of our own journey.
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  We need to bring in all the skills and the support, which may or may not include
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  allopathic physicians.
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  In my case, I worked with one of the most extraordinary Chinese practitioners who was the
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  quarterback.
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  And he and I took charge of what we were gonna do, but we brought in the allopathic providers
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  who offered their skills, which were immense.
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  Mhmm.
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  But we also brought in all the other practitioners and philosophers and thought
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  thought leaders to look at what direction and how we were gonna proceed.
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  So we can't listen to something as the full gospel.
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  We have to take it in, and then we analyze what the meaning of that is in our own journey.
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  So clearly, I mean, what had happened to you, you know, your body was giving you signs.
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  You know, something had to shift.
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  And I'm gonna think that you really had to go inside, deep inside to really listen, and I
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  often say, you know, we we get the signs.
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  Right?
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  We get the psychological signs, and we can we can bat that out, you know, in all the way as
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  far as we want.
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  And then the emotions, they they get deeper and they get stickier.
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  And then we think, oh, I got I'm gonna ignore this one too.
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  Right?
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  And we do this.
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  And then all of a sudden, you know, we start to get physical symptoms, and then we have to go
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  up show up and see the doc who says, you know, you gotta do some things.
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  So in your life, what when you when you got this diagnosis, what did you do to kind of were
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  you already connected to untraditional forms of medicine?
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  Or
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I was running the naturopathic school at this time.
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  And as I said previously, I was running the acupuncture school I was already in a different
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  space, but, you know, there's a difference when you're running the school and now when you have
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  to face your own journey.
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  So one of the things I did, which, of course, they struggled with at the hospital, was I
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  started to look at different forms of going within.
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  And I started with different meditative techniques.
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  Which I found were wonderful to get me in, but I needed to learn a strategy for myself.
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  What worked for me and I taught myself a way to go into what I now call the portal.
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  There's the portal inside of ourselves.
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  Where we basically have stories going on.
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  Right?
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  We have movies happening all the time.
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  Either we're gonna write those stories or become the playwright of these wonderful
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  journeys.
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  Are they gonna write themselves?
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  They're gonna come from the journey with that we've taken that we may not even be aware of
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  what we're doing.
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  It could come from our mothers, our teachers, the workplace, our peer group, the tribes that
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  we associate with, they're probably coming from all of those sources and we've lost our essence
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  in the midst of that.
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  And I went to a portal where I would I said, where am I the most at peace?
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  Where do where do I wanna be?
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  Well, for me, I wanted to be sitting by a pond under a Willow.
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  It just feels great.
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  Laning on that Willow tree.
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  Sort of a little Walt Whitman kind of an experience with leaves of grass.
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  And I, by the way, have done a couple of walks with Walt.
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  So that's a little scary that I'll talk about in my workshop experiences where we walk with I
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  ask people to take a walk and speak with whoever they've wanna speak with their whole
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  life.
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  My case, it's Walt.
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  So I did that.
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  It was pretty powerful stuff once you're there.
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  So I found a place of peace and harmony, which in the midst of all that fear, and it's quite
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  clear I was dealing with fear.
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  When you're dealing with life and death, we can't, you know, kid ourselves.
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  I was very much dealing with fear.
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  And I had to chill it out.
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  I learned how to do that.
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  One day, someone mentioned that I should go see this jordanary French Moroccan, hiplet,
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  hypnotist.
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  And she was much more than that.
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  And she said, let's go in and see what happens.
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  We went in.
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  She said, I pulled she pulled me out, Arnie.
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  You're already there.
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  So let's go really in and do the work.
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  And she knew I was in the under the Willow by the pond.
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  She said, now let's really go for it, Arnie.
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  What's happening with your child, and it happened to be my seven year old self.
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  Sitting in the corner of a room, like, in a fetal position.
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  Oh, no, Arnie.
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  Bring that child out.
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  Hold his hand together, you're gonna walk into the pond now.
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  You're not just sitting by the pond, and you're gonna go to the bottom of the pond.
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  It's dark.
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  It's murky.
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  I couldn't catch my breath until I could.
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  And the lesson there was hang in it will work out.
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  My seven year old and me were walking through the bottom of the pond together.
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  Until we were called out and then sat back under the Willow.
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  Mhmm.
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  Well, she taught me I needed to communicate with my seven year old, and I call on my seven
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  year old when I need to, when I want to, he calls on me, And one of the most extraordinary
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  things is I learned how to soften, and I learned how to hold my heart.
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  So I take information in through the heart.
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  It then goes to the mind, which the neurotransmitter send out through the body.
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  So that way I was raised in New York with a bit of a tough edge.
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  It's there when it needs to be but that beauty of the softness of who we are paying attention,
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  listening, and bringing the world in through the heart is the gift that I've been given
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  through that whole journey.
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  What an amazing story.
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  You know, it's it's interesting because I'm a a trauma specialist.
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  And, you know, I I I see so many people that get stuck.
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  Right?
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  They they like you said, you go into that portal, and, you know, and and it's almost like
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  they're making the same bend, and they know they're gonna crash, but they they come around
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  the same bend with the same story and the same narrative over and over again.
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  And it's really having people recognize that, you know, unfortunately, you know, we all go
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  through to have lived is to have had pain.
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  That's a reality of life, but you don't that does not define who you are.
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  But oftentimes people don't know how to get out of it.
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  Right?
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  They're stuck.
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  They're that seven year old is stuck, and they're disconnected from that seven year old
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  because that seven year old, not only holds joy, but the whole pain.
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  You know, we live in a culture, particularly these days.
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  For those of us that have lived a while, where we're not really given permission to go into
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  that deeper place.
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  And for a we talk about how the mail needs to soften, but we don't have any real guides, and
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  we don't have the support.
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  I see my strength as an inner journey.
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  And I see myself and my being, when I walk into a room, I'm very clear now that I walk into the
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  room filled with joy, even in the sadness.
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  I've had a lot of sadness.
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  We all carry that with us.
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  And so how do we hold that holding the joy that surrounds us?
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  There's this fullness and abundance that really is the essence of who we are.
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  And then this stuff of life, that stuff we're balancing the air and the earth, and walking on
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  the earth is a deep journey.
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  And so we have to bring that beautiful self into it.
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  For me, it came through studying, deeply in the realms of deep philosophy, eastern thought,
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  getting ill and exploring different, you know, when I had a practice and and treating people
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  and so on, and then my own crisis.
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  And it wasn't just one crisis.
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  So how do we keep going further and further in there?
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  And so the book I've written, which is a culmination, I'll say there's a few aspects to
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  the book.
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  It's quite unique.
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  I had no idea that this book would come out the way it a few years ago, probably 10 now, at 3
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  AM in the morning, every single morning, I'm trying to sleep, I would get awakened.
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  I didn't know what was happening.
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  If I didn't pay attention, I was getting headaches So I got a pad of paper and I put it
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  next to my bed, and I'd start allowing whatever was gonna come out to come out.
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  And what came out was poetry and a particular style of poetic that is about opening the heart
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  and going in.
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  And all of a sudden dozens of poems start flowing out over the weeks.
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  And then I asked myself, Can I come and do this at 3 in the afternoon?
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  So it'd be I'd like to get some sleep.
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  And in that, I learned now how to actually have a conversation with that in herself that's
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  going on that needs to bring out these words.
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  So the book came together with the poetry, pretty deep stories, practices, and blessings.
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  And it's looking at that stranger within ourselves that we've either hidden in the
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  corner become none numb to, and we need to now basically reclaim ourselves.
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  And then we need to take this journey, which the book is actually, active journey looking at
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  how we in fact come to that center place, which is our home.
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  So it starts with reclaim and ends with home.
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  And we take this journey.
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  And and I think, you know, it's regardless if with my practice or when I'm speaking or when
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  when I'm talking to you know, directors or HR, people are looking for the same things.
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  Yeah.
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  We are all looking for the same things.
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  We're You know?
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  I work with some school districts with the health and wellness programs, and I'm working
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  with some districts now and some pretty conservative areas.
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  And first, they started to look at me at what are our differences.
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  And I said, why don't you hang in there with me a little while?
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  And let's see if, in fact, we can get past our differences because I see them as an illusion.
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  And if our hearts can meet, and if we truly wanna do the work together, let's go on this
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  journey together.
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  It's much easier to do with people that we think we agree on everything.
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  Mhmm.
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  Well, I've been doing it, in this one area for 3 years.
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  And I'm still there.
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  And they're now saying to me, I thought you were crazy when we first met.
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  I didn't understand you And now I'm in fact opening to things that you're showing me.
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  I wasn't even allowed to use the word mindfulness.
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  And now we're able to look at these things and explore it together.
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  I I have this one person politically a little different and we set that aside because we know
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  that what we're really looking for is the same thing.
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  We all wanna have a life filled with joy and happiness We all wanna share and be with each
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  other.
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  We want to give and be in relational.
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  And as my mentor, Bob Kimball, who just passed in about the last 2 years.
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  I'm really, really sad.
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  Bob's work was looking at the intersection of love and violence.
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  This culture, Bob said, chose to look at law.
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  Love is a much deeper.
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  Really, it love takes practice.
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  Us.
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  Love takes work.
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  I choose love.
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  I choose to do the work together that brings us into this place where we choose to wanna meet.
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  Martin Boomer said, what is god?
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  God is in the meeting.
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  Meeting in an eye now in a sacred way.
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  Rather than meeting in an eye object way.
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  So first, we have to open in a discerning way to one another through ourselves.
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  And if we bring our authentic self to each other, then nothing can really get in the way,
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  can it?
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  We're bringing our fullness into the wherever it is that we're engaging at that time.
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  And I think, you know, what happens today, and I don't know if you'd agree.
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  It's half of the time people are their facades are on so much that they forget to take them
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  off, right, because, you know, the everybody's walking around with this personas that they
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  think they should be, you know, And then, oh, really, you know, when I see it's when people
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  are truly connected or when, you know, it's that co creation that is allowed to happen once
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  people drop their defenses, and they and they can connect at such a profound level that
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  healing can just happen.
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  I think you're exactly right.
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  And that if we even are willing or available to put down that facade for a little while.
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  Many of us see this bravado as a man.
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  I'm supposed to act a certain way.
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  Right?
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  It didn't work for me all those years.
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  So I don't wanna keep doing it, and I find out, let's let's try other things.
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  So one of the things in the exercises I do in the workshop around rewriting our stories.
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  And I say to folks, try this try a different story on for yourself.
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  Let's go into the portal and write a different story.
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  Oh, if certain aspects of it don't feel right.
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  Don't work really well.
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  Rewrite it?
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  We can consistently rewrite these stories And we don't have to live with the old ones that
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  are not working for ourselves.
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  And there's, I think, sometimes, you know, the first word in the in the Bible in the Hebrew
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  scriptures in Hebrew is, which was translated so often as in the beginning, Everyone knows
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  the words in the beginning.
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  I go, wait a minute.
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  A little shift in a beginning.
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  Right.
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  For sure.
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  You know, I I I wanna back up because I think something that I really wanna touch on, is the
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  portal.
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  Like, So you talked a little bit about that meditative state, which, you know, I know
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  there's different ways to get there, but you you said you created something called order.
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  Can you can you chat a little bit more?
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  Because I know I wanna know more, and I'm sure everybody's listening is going, okay.
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  What what's he talking about?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, so many of us have tried on many different meditations.
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  Many many of us started with TM.
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  Right?
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  We started years ago doing TM and then we move to different or some of us stay with Tia.
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  It's fine.
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  And some of us explore different things.
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  Maybe it's Repassana, and whatever.
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  We go off into all different ways.
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  And I realized for me, there are wonderful ways of common in allowing that monkey brain to slow
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  down.
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  But I had work to do.
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  I wanna do some work in there.
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  So I said to myself, well, take whatever works well for me and for me, it's a way of quieting
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  myself, quieting that monkey brain, And there again, we could chat probably in another time
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  because it takes a while to look at different strategies to do that.
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  But when I get into that place of quiet where I'm feeling comfortable, I then send a message
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  from my heart to where I would like to be.
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  It's almost like a it is.
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  It's a film.
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  I'm watching a movie of walking to the Willow sitting by the pond, sitting down, and start
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  basically crafting a different story.
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  Or if I'm comfortable with the story, I stick with the story and I let it, grow.
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  So it's a focus.
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  When I was, dealing with the illness, I focused on what I was seeing in my body.
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  And I would go off into different places and look at what's there.
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  So for example, I was told it had gone to my lung, And I went, oh, no.
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  So I went into the lung, and I came back and I said my lungs are pink.
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  They look perfectly fine.
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  Yeah.
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  But you're nuts.
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  And they said, well, okay.
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  But they still look pink.
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  Well, they wouldn't hear me.
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  So I went to this extraordinary oncology social worker who she and I had done work together,
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  and she said, I trust you and I believe you.
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  Asked the head pathologist, which put hard career on the line to reread the pathology.
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  They were wrong.
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  It was a virus, and it wasn't there.
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  And they didn't wanna tell me that and lose face.
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  So they just called me in and said, well, we're gonna start treatments again.
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  Oh.
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  How do we really look at ourselves?
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  And it's not looking at ourselves in a sort of a silly airy fairy kind of a way.
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  It's really going in deep.
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  What's there?
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  But then I need to call on other assistance to confirm or to support, and that becomes very
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  important because We know the Buddha talked about the importance of the Sanga.
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  We need a community.
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  We need a community, though, that really is there to meet us.
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  And so many of us, particularly in this culture, we get our community at work.
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  We get our community from our Stephen Lee Steven Levine used to talk about, family of
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  origin versus family of choice.
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  Mhmm.
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  Many of us go to our family of origin when in fact we might be able to develop families of
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  choice that really are there to support us.
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  We need to bring the whole thing together.
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  Mhmm.
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  And then we need to stick with this.
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  And that's why the Buddha called it practice.
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  Najeev calls it the work.
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  But we need to go into these places and we need to keep bringing teachers in.
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  So I've had the privilege to do retreats with extraordinary beings like titnot Han and to sit
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  with the Dalai Lama and and and listen to him talk to a group of extraordinary people and you
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  know, you go off with great teachers that I've been able to study with and so on.
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  We need to bring these folks in.
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  We need to have a mentor.
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  Or more.
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  We need to have a muse.
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  We need to bring in these folks into our lives.
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  And if we're a little don't know how to do that or we're concerned that we don't have really
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  great discernment as yet, then why not start with wonderful like, I do these, what I call
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  experiences where we come together and we do listen.
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  And one person said to me at a at at an experience, I I would like you to take more
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  authority in the room.
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  And I said, no kidding.
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  I really am only interested in facilitating your taking more authority.
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  I used to take authority believing that was the real thing to do.
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  My only role here is to offer assistance, support, guidance, to be a facilitator.
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  I'll help you find your own authority, and some people are ready for that.
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  Some people still need a little more work.
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  So how do we journey?
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  We need to find teachers that are not taking anything from us, but enhancing who we already
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  are.
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  That makes
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  One quick thing.
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  I'm sorry.
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  One quick thing.
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  I now do it automatically.
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  I put my hands on my heart throughout the day.
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  When I feel right?
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  And I get stressed I'm in a situation.
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  I'm listening to something going on in the political scene that I can't get away from.
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  Whatever it is.
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  I put my hands on my heart.
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  I cut my heart.
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  How can you not feel your heart?
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  And that goes right into my mind and throughout my body because we now have the knowledge that
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  our neurophysiology is very much controlled by how we're thinking, feeling, and experiencing.
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  I wanna feel my heart Mhmm.
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  I could go right into the portal just holding my hands on my heart.
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  Well, I can feel it, and I'm I'm I'm urine.
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  You're in New Mexico and I'm in Niagara Falls and I could feel that shift, Ernie.
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  Absolutely.
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  You know?
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  Everyone listening, put your hands on your heart, and just breathe naturally.
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  Just breathe.
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  All you're doing is paying attention to what you're already doing.
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  Mhmm.
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  And you're bringing all the impulses through the heart up to the mind and out to the rest of
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  the body.
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  When your days are getting crazy, teachers tell me they have no time to meditate.
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  I say put your hands on your heart.
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  One minute, 2 minutes.
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  You'll be in a whole another place.
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  And when you go back in the classroom, imagine where you'll
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  be.
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  Mhmm.
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  And you a nurse called me on a weekend and said, I'm about to go crazy I'm gonna die.
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  I can't even breathe.
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  I said, what's going on?
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  20 family members here, and they're driving me crazy.
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  I said, well, let's take a walk together.
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  Are you nuts?
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  I said, well, we're on the phone.
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  Walk out the door.
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  Mhmm.
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  We took a walk together.
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  We put our hands on our heart.
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  She called me Monday.
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  You saved my life.
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  She said, no.
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  You saved your life.
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  So whenever this is happening, walk away 2 minutes.
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  Put your hand on your heart.
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  Mhmm.
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  And it's, you know, it's it seems so simple.
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  Right?
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  But it's it's not easy because out of out there in the world, like you said, what's happening
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  politically with with you guys out in the US and and the, you know, the violence that we're
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  seeing all over the world is we're doing the opposite right, where people are thinking that
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  mindfulness is a one off kind of thing, but really we all have the ability to heal
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  internally.
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  And when we connect to ourselves.
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  What do we do?
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  We we change what's around us.
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  We change people.
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  We impact people, implicitly explicitly just by our actions.
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  Just by being who you are as a clear being in touch with your essence, you've come home or
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  you're working on staying home, When you walk into a space, people are going to experience
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  you.
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  Mhmm.
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  It's a quiet power.
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  All the clamor, particularly in the US.
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  Right now, we have a leader no matter what opens his mouth primarily lies come out.
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  And certainly anger and all this dissension, it hurts me.
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  It just hurts
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  Yeah.
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  All I can do to really deal with that is to bring my heart into a room with a lot of play
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  in humor.
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  And how do we bring that we need to own that we are beautiful beings
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  Mhmm.
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  And the fact is he's there.
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  We can do something to shift the energy around that.
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  And we can't tip on Hany's to say during the Vietnam war, And remember this titnot Han is a
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  Vietnamese monk.
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  Yes.
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  We were destroying his country.
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  The US wouldn't let him in because he was president of the Buddhist Peace Fellowship for
• 31:31
  many years and tip not hang in one of his earliest books, wrote that the US American
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  Americans in the peace movement could throw rocks and be angry better than anyone else he's
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  ever seen.
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  Do you know how to love, he said?
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  Do you know how to touch in?
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  Do you know how to give that love to each other?
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  And if we're really gonna deal with war on many different levels, we have to learn to
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  Well, on that, I I don't think we can end on any better of a note that, you know, the more
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  we love, we can make a difference.
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  And for us to go back to basics, Now I know you're launching your books.
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  So tell everyone about the book because I'm sure people are probably gonna wanna know where
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  they can pick up a copy or if there's digital ways that can get it, and also about your
• 32:21
  workshops that you provide.
• 32:23
  Yeah.
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  So the book is called befriending Your Stranger.
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  And it's currently on all the different sites.
• 32:31
  So if you like Amazon or Barnes and Noble or even it's on Target, It's everywhere.
• 32:36
  And you go there and you can even buy it today, preorder it.
• 32:40
  It comes out September 1st, befriending your stranger.
• 32:45
  And the workshops, what I call, as I said, experiences.
• 32:50
  And unlike many, workshops that are happening these days, that are very large and
• 32:57
  motivational in character.
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  My experiences are very small.
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  Intentionally to because we can't I wanna do the work.
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  So the workshops are, two and a half days of where we come together to to really the intent
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  is at the end of the two and a half days.
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  And I should say, I always close whatever I'm doing.
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  And with the workshops where we cook together and share a meal.
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  We know the power of sharing a meal together and all of a sudden, the energy shifts and
• 33:31
  people start really opening up with things.
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  So we'll spend two and a half days together doing deep profound experiential work going
• 33:41
  into these places, going into the portal, learning how to do it, rewriting our stories,
• 33:47
  learning how to continually do that and learning how to really find home.
• 33:52
  And so that's what we do, and, they're really a lot of fun in the I mean, I bring a lot of joy
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  and play within the practice and the work that we do.
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  What sounds amazing.
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  I I can't thank you enough for your time today.
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  And, you know, as a psychotherapist, I I always go back to, you know, we can create sad
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  profound change if we just align our hearts, you know, to that other person that I'm in the
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  room with, but you don't need to be you know, in the field where you're helping like you are
• 34:24
  or I are, it's just about just thinking, what am I feeling and what potentially is that other
• 34:30
  person across from me feeling and trying to think, what can I do to maybe reach out if you
• 34:35
  know someone's distressed or maybe a bit spirit because you can offer that?
• 34:39
  It's like a it's like a that that warm hug that you give with heart to heart.
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  By just letting them know that that you're open to connection?
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  It is about connection.
• 34:50
  And and how do we bring touch into a world that's so frightened of touch.
• 34:58
  That's how we do touch in a very healthy healing way.
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  Touch should be healing, and it shouldn't be the kind of craziness that the media talks
• 35:06
  about.
• 35:06
  So we need to be in our songas where we bring together you know, how to live fully.
• 35:12
  Well, thank you so much and for everyone listening.
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  I want you to, you know, you know, take the time.
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  Take the time to connect to go into that space that, like Arnie Singh or, within yourself
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  because we all have profound love.
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  We all have had things that have hurt us.
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  That sometimes, might deter us from our path and to know that you can go and sit with it, to
• 35:35
  be able to get past that because you are not defined by your pain We are all light.
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  We come into the swirl as a light.
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  We hit bumps along the way, but that doesn't mean it needs to get you off where you need to
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  be.
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  And, so take that step today.
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  Try to connect with someone or or to yourself to be able to connect with the others around
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  you.
• 35:53
  Again, thanks everyone for listening.
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  And if you're wanting more information on me, you can reach me at roxanderhodge.com.
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  I'm a mental health and wellness specialist.
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  Take care, and we'll talk to you soon.
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  Bye, Ernie.
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  Bye bye.
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