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Perez Hilton, the O.G. Social Media Influencer! Las Vegas Life, Paris Hilton, Reality TV & More · Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel

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  Speaker 1: I'm Rachel Yucatel. Thanks so much for coming. Our next guest,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have. He's an author, actor, American blogger, columnist,
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  Speaker 1: media personality, podcaster, father. I could go on and on
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  Speaker 1: and on. Perez Hilton, thank you so much for coming.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I would say we're both misunderstood.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. Well, that's why I wanted you here. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. If you remember how far we go back,
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  Speaker 1: do you?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, of course. Yes. Well, let's paint the picture right now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in Las Vegas. This is my new hometown, but
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  Speaker 2: I've been coming here for decades. You know, I first...
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  Speaker 2: came to Vegas in the fall of 2005. And around
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  Speaker 2: that time, not that long after, I met you. And
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  Speaker 2: this was back when you were working in nightlife, another
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  Speaker 2: lifetime ago. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. And no one knew me except for if
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  Speaker 1: you came to Vegas and you would stop by Tao.
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  Speaker 1: And I was the director of VIP operations at Tao
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  Speaker 1: Nightclub in the Venetian. And you came in and you were,
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  Speaker 1: I guess at the time you were very famous. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I was in all of you, you know, and I
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  Speaker 1: was very happy to have you there. And I was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, excited to see you there. And I think
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  Speaker 1: you came into Vegas where you, you were a blogger
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  Speaker 1: at the time, right? But you were covering media stories
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  Speaker 1: and you were, you had your website at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the first time I ever
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  Speaker 2: came to Vegas was for work. I had my website,
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  Speaker 2: but it was for a specific event. I remember it vividly.
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  Speaker 2: It was, I think, October of 2005. And what I
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  Speaker 2: love about Vegas is that it's a lot like New
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  Speaker 2: York City. There's so much turnover. There's newness. It's like
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  Speaker 2: a human being. It's constantly changing.
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  Speaker 1: And....
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  Speaker 2: This was back when the hard rock hotel was very
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  Speaker 2: popular and body English, their club was launching and Paris
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  Speaker 2: Hilton got hired to host the opening of body English.
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  Speaker 2: And a couple of days prior to that, she had
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  Speaker 2: broken up with her fiance, one of the two Greeks
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  Speaker 2: that she was engaged to. And she did the red
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  Speaker 2: carpet because she's still Paris, but she refused to do
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  Speaker 2: any interviews. And then she saw me and she gave
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  Speaker 2: me the only interview of the night. So the magazine
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  Speaker 2: that I was freelancing for at the time, In Touch,
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  Speaker 2: shout out to Dan Wakeford, they were very happy about that.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a very memorable first weekend ever in Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: And then I just kept coming back because I love
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  Speaker 2: Vegas and now I live here. Right.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing. So in 2005, we just opened Tao and
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  Speaker 1: I had just moved to Vegas and we I had
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  Speaker 1: come from working at Bloomberg News and it was very
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  Speaker 1: new to me too, but they had put me in
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  Speaker 1: charge of all the celebrities and running the door at
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  Speaker 1: the same time. And I was new to it, but
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  Speaker 1: I really picked up on it. And it was incredible
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  Speaker 1: to me. But I got to meet all the celebrities
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  Speaker 1: as well. So we kind of meshed because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that was my job. But, you know, so all these
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  Speaker 1: celebrities walked through my door and it was my job
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  Speaker 1: to take care of them, to be their wing woman,
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  Speaker 1: to kind of hide their secrets and to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that they were OK. So that's how I got to
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  Speaker 1: meet all these people as well.
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  Speaker 2: And Tao still is one of the biggest clubs in Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: But back then when you were working there, it was
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  Speaker 2: like the spot. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It was the spot. And it had such impeccable customer
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  Speaker 1: service that I don't think people really understand. It was
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  Speaker 1: run in such a way that. I mean, we had
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  Speaker 1: such a lineup.
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  Speaker 2: Of how you- Wait, I want to tell a secret.
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  Speaker 2: Let's tell some secrets. Oh my God, oh my God,
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  Speaker 2: oh my God. Oh my God, just because, just because.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: Calm down. Oh my God.
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  Speaker 1: Deep breath.
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  Speaker 2: Just because my brain went to 2005, should we tell
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  Speaker 2: this story about Paris at the opening of Tao?
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  Speaker 1: Go for it.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I do. Go for it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes celebrities behave by their own rules. Sure.
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  Speaker 2: And by sometimes, I mean, most of the time for
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  Speaker 2: a variety of reasons, they either want or expect special treatment.
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  Speaker 2: They think they're different or special. Paris Hilton was at
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  Speaker 2: the opening of Tao in 2005. Listen, and I love
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  Speaker 2: Paris and I got to give her major props for
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  Speaker 2: her glow up. You know, I look at her over
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  Speaker 2: the last couple of years and now she's a mother
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  Speaker 2: she's settled down she was very young then we all
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  Speaker 2: have our wild child days but you know she grew
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  Speaker 2: up a socialite in new york city exploded with reality
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  Speaker 2: television fame and was just accustomed to certain things didn't
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  Speaker 2: like waiting in lines And I don't know exactly what happened,
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  Speaker 2: but word got back to me that Paris just popped
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  Speaker 2: a squat and took a piss.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Somewhere like not in the bathroom. You were there. We
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  Speaker 2: saw it.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us. So she was at her table and she
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  Speaker 1: had to go to the bathroom and she just did
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  Speaker 1: not want to make it all the way down. to
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  Speaker 1: the bathroom. So she just, and I don't, and she
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  Speaker 1: didn't have any underwear on, I guess. So she just
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  Speaker 1: lifted up her skirt and went. So, so says the,
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  Speaker 1: the rumor. I mean, listen, we don't, it was dark.
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  Speaker 1: It was dark, but so many, you know, so many
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  Speaker 1: rumors went on that way. It was dark and there
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  Speaker 1: was a lot of people. So all I know is
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  Speaker 1: we had cleaned up an aisle seven right over there.
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  Speaker 2: So. Well, I've actually witnessed a celebrity do that myself also.
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  Speaker 2: Lady Gaga rehearsing for the American music awards in 2010.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why she just did not want to
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  Speaker 2: go to the bathroom, but thankfully she didn't pee on
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  Speaker 2: the floor. She peed in a bucket. So, okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Easier for the cleanup.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So those were some really great days. Really fun. I
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  Speaker 1: loved it. It was one of the best jobs I
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  Speaker 1: ever had for that was for sure. Um, So let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about how you got to who you are, right?
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  Speaker 1: How you got to be Perez Hilton. Where did you
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  Speaker 1: come from? Who are you? Let's start there.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up in Miami, Florida, the son of two
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  Speaker 2: Cuban immigrants. And that really made me, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: because unlike Paris Hilton, not a diss, okay? Just giving context.
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  Speaker 2: I really had to create everything from scratch. Nothing was
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  Speaker 2: ever handed to me. There was no nepotism. I had to...
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  Speaker 2: get my own way through college. Thankfully, I did very
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  Speaker 2: well in school and got a full scholarship to NYU.
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  Speaker 2: And I wanted to be an actor. That's what I
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  Speaker 2: studied at the Tisch School of the Arts. What a
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  Speaker 2: waste of a degree. But hey, I got a full scholarship,
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  Speaker 2: so it wasn't the end of the world. I moved
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  Speaker 2: out to Los Angeles, was a failed actor like most
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  Speaker 2: actors that move out to Los Angeles. But I was
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  Speaker 2: always very practical. I never.
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  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
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  Speaker 5: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
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  Speaker 5: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching.
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  Speaker 4: You deserve a treat.
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  Speaker 5: With eight flavors to choose from, you can choose the
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  Speaker 5: flavor you favor with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
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  Speaker 2: Wanted to get a job as a bartender or a waiter.
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  Speaker 2: So I always had a dependable day job that would
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  Speaker 2: let me go out on auditions. And I somehow ended
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  Speaker 2: up working at a gay men's magazine and I somehow
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  Speaker 2: just it was the thing at the time discovered blogging.
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  Speaker 2: Had I been 10 years younger, it might've been YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: Had I been 15 years younger, it might've been Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: Had I been 20 years younger, it might've been TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: There's always a thing and of the time. And back
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  Speaker 2: in 2004, this was really before social media. There was
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  Speaker 2: no Instagram in 2004. There was no YouTube in 2004.
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  Speaker 2: Facebook had just launched within a month or two of
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  Speaker 2: me starting.
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  Speaker 1: And the only thing people could really do. Equate that to,
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  Speaker 1: it was like Radar Online, TMZ, right?
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  Speaker 2: No, that didn't exist.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it didn't exist.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't exist. No.
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  Speaker 1: So there was nothing to refresh.
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  Speaker 2: It was just me.
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  Speaker 1: It was you, wow.
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  Speaker 2: It helped me. You know, I gave, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to take credit for TMZ, but I'm pretty sure they
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  Speaker 2: saw that this dude got so much success so quickly.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so much can change over the years, but
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  Speaker 2: one thing remains the same and it is the speed.
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  Speaker 2: at which things can happen online and on social media.
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  Speaker 2: And within six months of me starting my little blog,
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  Speaker 2: I was on television and it blew my mind because
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think anybody was reading it.
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  Speaker 1: So how did you even come up with that idea?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was just curiosity. It's such a different
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  Speaker 2: world now, but I think some of the same principles apply.
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  Speaker 2: I just did what I was interested in. Meaning when
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  Speaker 2: I discovered blogging, I said, let me try it. And
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  Speaker 2: thank God it was simple and easy because I am
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  Speaker 2: not a tech savvy person. My sister is. She's that
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  Speaker 2: side of the brain. I'm the creative, you know, crazy
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  Speaker 2: fun side. And it was this service called Blogspot or Blogger.
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  Speaker 2: You signed up, you click a few buttons, you customize
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  Speaker 2: your template, you know, you pick your color. And within minutes,
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  Speaker 2: you could have been, you know, talking to anybody, any
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  Speaker 2: part of the world. And what set me apart was
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  Speaker 2: back then, people that did have blogs, It was very
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  Speaker 2: much first person, like an online journal, a diary. Ooh,
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  Speaker 2: I went out on a date with so-and-so and I
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  Speaker 2: had an awful time or whatever it might be. But
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  Speaker 2: I just always was drawn to celebrities. It was imprinted
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  Speaker 2: on me at an early age. And actually, through many
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  Speaker 2: years of therapy... And just growing up in adulthood, celebrities
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  Speaker 2: and what I do for a living really saved my
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  Speaker 2: life because my dad died when I was very young.
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  Speaker 2: It was the summer between sophomore and junior year of
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  Speaker 2: high school. And my mother, this Cuban immigrant who was
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  Speaker 2: doing her best, and it was a different time, the 90s,
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  Speaker 2: you know, She was just trying to hold it all
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  Speaker 2: together and not die herself. So we never talked about things.
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  Speaker 2: She never put me in therapy, which is what I
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  Speaker 2: would do if something traumatic like that happened now with
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  Speaker 2: a family member, God forbid. So I never processed it,
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  Speaker 2: but I drowned myself in the television. It became... It
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  Speaker 2: saved me, but it also became a crutch because I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't present in my young adult life or my young life.
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  Speaker 2: I was just this zombie glued to the television and
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  Speaker 2: listening to the radio and reading Vanity Fair at 15
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  Speaker 2: years old and reading Billboard, which is very expensive. And
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  Speaker 2: I would go to the... the newsstand behind my house
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  Speaker 2: and pick it up. And it really just fostered this
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  Speaker 2: deep appreciation, admiration, respect and knowledge of all things celebrity,
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  Speaker 2: which I then carried over And, you know, I was
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  Speaker 2: a see you next Tuesday early in my career. I
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  Speaker 2: take full accountability for that. I'm responsible for my actions.
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  Speaker 2: I don't blame it on anything that happened in my life.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just giving context, which is what's great about your podcast.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that cliche hurt people hurt people. I clearly
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  Speaker 2: was a hurt, a totally broken person. And I think
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  Speaker 2: over the last decades, whether it be starting with getting healthier,
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  Speaker 2: that was the beginning of healing myself. Not being this
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  Speaker 2: extremely overweight, unhealthy person, having children, being faced with the
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  Speaker 2: hurt I caused others and looking at that mirror. I've
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  Speaker 2: been healing myself over the last few decades. But at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of my career, I was just a hurt person.
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  Speaker 2: I was a very insecure person. And I found something
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  Speaker 2: that worked for me. And I was like, wow, this
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  Speaker 2: thing is really getting a lot of attention. I need
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  Speaker 2: to continue to do it and do it even bigger
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  Speaker 2: and harder and more. And I foolishly kept feeding my
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  Speaker 2: brain these ideas. Fake narratives saying things like the people
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  Speaker 2: that I am picking on that I don't like, they
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  Speaker 2: deserve it. They're just not good people. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: what kind of stupid BS is that? And like, I
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  Speaker 2: would pick on people that didn't deserve it just because
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  Speaker 2: I didn't like them. It was sometimes just very arbitrary.
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  Speaker 2: Like I had my heroes and my villains. I viewed
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  Speaker 2: them as characters instead of real people, which was dumb
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  Speaker 2: and stupid. I would say things like, well, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: saying to my friends online what I'm telling my friends
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  Speaker 2: in the real world. Or, you know, it's just a character.
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  Speaker 2: People don't like what I'm writing. It doesn't bother me
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  Speaker 2: because it's not the real me. Like, that's just some
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  Speaker 2: Jekyll and Hyde BS. Like, I had to wake up
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  Speaker 2: and like, no, it's you saying those things. It's not
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  Speaker 2: some character. So, you know, and like, I can't even...
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  Speaker 2: claim the ignorance of youth because I wasn't a kid
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  Speaker 2: when I started. I was in my mid to late 20s.
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  Speaker 2: This is why I fully understand why a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the public hates me and are not willing to see
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  Speaker 2: me for who I am today, which is a very
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  Speaker 2: different person. At the time, I knew what I was
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  Speaker 2: doing was wrong and I didn't Care. I was so selfish.
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  Speaker 2: All I cared about was the money I was making.
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  Speaker 2: The views, the clicks, it didn't matter to me if
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  Speaker 2: I hurt people. And saying that now, like I carry
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  Speaker 2: with me deep shame and regret and very public baggage
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  Speaker 2: that everybody can see. And that I'm constantly like you, you,
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  Speaker 2: you might get people bringing this up or that up,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like people are constantly reminding me of, and
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  Speaker 2: that's okay. It's okay. I deserve it all because they
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  Speaker 2: are a result of my actions. But the best way
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  Speaker 2: for somebody to maybe understand it is, and where I'm
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  Speaker 2: at now, and maybe you've gotten to a place like this,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we are not our mistakes. For example, a
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  Speaker 2: drug addict might steal and lie repeatedly to friends and family.
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  Speaker 2: Are they a horrible human being? No, they're an addict
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  Speaker 2: who made a ton of mistakes. And I know in
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  Speaker 2: my heart, I am... a great person and I don't
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  Speaker 2: do things how I used to do them anymore. And sorry,
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  Speaker 2: I've talked forever, but thank you for listening.
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  Speaker 1: No, I have so many questions based on what you
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  Speaker 1: just said. I love what you just said because, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I can appreciate that people do things based.
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  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
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  Speaker 5: know about the drawer, the drawer, just.
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  Speaker 3: The one square before bed. Or two, you know, nobody's watching.
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  Speaker 4: You deserve a treat.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: With eight flavors to choose from, you can choose the
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: flavor you favor with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
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  Speaker 1: On what's happened to them in their past, right? So
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  Speaker 1: do you remember covering my story in particular? Sure.
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  Speaker 2: Of course. I mean, I don't remember exactly things that
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  Speaker 2: were written, but yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and, you know, I can just say from
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  Speaker 1: my experience, you know, I had known you in the
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  Speaker 1: past and then I knew you from covering my story.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you weren't the only journalist that covered things
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  Speaker 1: about me and then said the things that were said
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  Speaker 1: about me. And, you know, it's, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: get into those things, but you are someone who knows
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  Speaker 1: how to narrate a scandal, right. Among other things. And
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  Speaker 1: it's very interesting. to see how a scandal gets narrated, right?
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  Speaker 1: So I guess my question with that is, do you
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  Speaker 1: ever feel like you hesitate on narrating a scandal when
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  Speaker 1: you know a person is involved and see how that
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  Speaker 1: can affect that person when you know them?
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  Speaker 2: Sure, of course. You know, especially now. Back when I
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  Speaker 2: was doing things differently, I didn't care, like I said.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess when you know them, did it ever
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  Speaker 1: make you hesitate is my question? Because a lot of those...
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  Speaker 1: Celebrities you didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes yes, sometimes no. You know, I would tell myself
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  Speaker 2: things like, well, I've got a job to do and blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's clickbait. And it's clickbait. So it just carries on.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess it didn't matter at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know. Like I said, I, I, I, I
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  Speaker 2: totally knew what I was doing. And, you know, some
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: people might be taking it back. Like, wow, he's being
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: real honest. Yes, I am. Like, why lie? Why sugarcoat things?
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: You know, I, I, I was not a nice person.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: But what's interesting is it didn't start off that way.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Like anything, like an addiction, it gets worse and worse
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: and worse, right? Like toxicity makes you more toxic. The
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: more that you engage, the more that you do it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: The more drugs you do, the more drugs you want. So,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you know, it just, it became... uglier and darker and
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: nastier and worse as the years went on, I think.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: So was there a story that broke the camel's back
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: or something that broke the camel's back? Or was it
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: having kids? Or what was that final moment for you
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that you were like, I have to stop?
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: It was a twofold thing. It was a gradual wanting
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: to change, but being afraid to. And for me, the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: beginning of a desire to be better and do better
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: was when I began my health journey in 2008. I
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: lost a ton of weight, but I don't like to
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: talk about it in terms of weight because I like
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: to frame it in terms of health. I became a
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: healthier person in 2008. And I found that the healthier
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I became, the happier I became. And not only was
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I a happier person, but I had different thoughts. It
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: was wild. It was totally transformative for me. But by
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: that point, I had been Perez for four plus years
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: and I was paralyzed into inaction. I was like, well,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I established my brand as this thing. And if I change,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: people may not like it. So money mattered more to
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: me than doing the right thing or just making that change.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: And then eventually there did come a point where there
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: was that straw that broke the camel's back. It was
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: in 2010. And there was this rash of gay teenagers
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: that died by suicide. And it was so awful. There
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: was this journalist named Dan Savage that created this campaign
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: called It Gets Better. I don't know if you remember that,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: but it was really simple. It was encouraging older folks
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: to make videos to young people and sharing their stories.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: And I think the same day that he launched that campaign,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I made a video and I was the first, to
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: my knowledge, personality or public figure to make an It
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Gets Better video. And in that moment of darkness, I
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: thought I was doing something positive to shine light. But
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the response that I got to my video was a
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: smack to the head with a brick. And it shook
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: me to my core because almost every single comment was,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: how dare you? How dare you make an It Gets
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Better video? You're a bully. You're a hypocrite. You are
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the problem. And at that moment, I said, I don't
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: care if I lose everything. I don't care because this
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: is not who I am in my heart. It's who
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I became. It's who I was in that moment, but
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: it's not who I was in my core and in
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: my essence and in my DNA. And listen, I'm still
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: in the world of entertainment. I still have the same job,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: but I do it differently. I didn't reinvent the wheel.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I just put new rims on it. And I think
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: that's also a good lesson because some people don't even
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: realize what I did. For example, and maybe you even,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: you would even know him. You know, a lot of
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: people like Donald Trump, you know, Donald Trump will literally
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: say whatever he thinks. It doesn't matter to him who
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: he hurts. He's not a mindful person. He's the ultimate egoist,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: selfish narcissist. And, you know, I am not like that anymore.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I might still make mistakes. I'm not perfect. But my
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: intention is never now to be purposefully cruel or just
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: carelessly only wanting a click or attention or whatever it
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: might be.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Right, right. And go back for one second. Why did
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: you pick the name Perez Tillman?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Because when I first started, I was using my real
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: name and I got fired from a job. I was
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: working as a receptionist at ease attempt. And around that
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: same time, I started getting death threats from angry clay
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Aiken fans, because one of the shitty things I did
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: was I outed clay Aiken, which I don't do that anymore. Um,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: But you know what? It's like karma. I'm still dealing
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: with karma. Because of the things that I did in
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the past, I am incredibly disliked, hated by the majority
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: of gay men. And I'm a gay man. So that
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: makes dating exceptionally hard.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: But that's okay. I don't need a man. And that
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: exceptional man will come along when the time is right. Right.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: And except if the time is right, if the time
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: is right, I don't, if it's not right, it's fine.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Like I'm living a very happy life now with three
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: young children and my mother that I also take care of.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: So I'm busy.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: But it's important to put out into the universe what
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: you want. I do want that exceptional man. And I
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: would make time for that exceptional man. Right.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: But he has to accept.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Are you dating anyone?
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: No.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: But in the same realm that you talk about, right?
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So I think it's really important because I have a daughter.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I'm a single mother.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: How old is she?
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: She's 10.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: And I have two dogs and I am a very
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: headstrong person. I'm the mother and the father. I mean,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I have an ex-husband who's involved in my daughter's life,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: but I feel like I'm the catcher in my life, right?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I've done everything. I take care of everything in my life.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: And you're your own cheerleader and you need to be
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: your own cheerleader. Yes.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: And I've handled so many big, huge crises in my life.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And I don't know anyone stronger than me in my life.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: So I need someone that I know has the answers
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: that I can, you know, I can fall in some.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: know about the drawer. The drawer.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Just the one square before bed. Or two, you know.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Nobody's watching.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: You deserve a treat.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: With eight flavors to choose from, you can choose the
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: flavor you favor with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Will catch me, but I've always caught myself. And I
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: feel like I don't know anyone that is capable of
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: doing what I've done for myself. And I want to
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: find that person, but I don't know that I have
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: let anyone be that strong. So I would love to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: find that person, but I don't know that there's someone
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: yet for me.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: And are you still living in Manhattan? Where are you
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: living these days?
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I live in Manhattan, but I'm moving to, I'm between here,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: New York and Florida, and I will be in Palm
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Beach and come this next school year, my daughter will
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: be going to school in Florida. We'll be living in
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Florida together.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Why Florida?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Well, why not? New York has become a really hard
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: place to live. And my ex-husband and I have had
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: a really difficult time the last 10 years, basically. But
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: we finally have gotten to a place in our lives
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that we are able to have a civil conversation. And
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: we've gotten to a place where he's agreed to allow
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: her to come to school in Florida and live in
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Florida with me. And so we have gotten to that
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: place where we can. you know, agree on something finally.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: So did he put any parameters on, you better not
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: talk about me on your podcast?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: No, but after this conversation, he probably will.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Well, you haven't really said much.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I said something nice about him that we're
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: getting along. So yeah, that's good. So no, but everything's
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: fine with us.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I feel like I've talked enough about myself. Like, I
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: want to interview you now. Well, wait a minute.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: We're still interviewing you. Let me ask you a couple
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: more questions.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: All right, all right.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: So, no, tell me about fatherhood for a minute and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: taking care of your mother. I know you moved to Vegas.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: How was that move? Tell me about it. Don't you
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: have a dog? Is your dog still pooping on your floor?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: He's right here next to me.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Aww.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Teddy, he's a senior dog. Bless him. 15 years strong,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: but very healthy. No, I first wanted to move to
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Vegas in 2018. It's the best place ever. I got
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: hired to be the special celebrity guest host of Chippendales
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: for the summer. And I was here for the entire summer,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: which some people might hate because it's the hottest time
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: of the year. But I'm from Miami originally. I'd rather
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: live in a place that has extreme heat than extreme cold.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: And getting to live in Vegas as a local really
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: opened my eyes about all of the wonderful things of
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: the city. And I almost bought a house here at
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the time. But, and this might surprise people listening or watching,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: maybe old Perez might have been more reckless and careless.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: But now that I have three children and my mom
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: that I'm taking care of, I'm by the rules, law abiding,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: all of that stuff. You know, I almost bought a
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: house and then I wanted to rent it out as
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: an Airbnb. But in 2018, the laws were different. You
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: can only have an Airbnb in Vegas if it was
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: a long term rental place. Everybody still listed their homes
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: for shorter stays, but they were doing it illegally. And
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I just knew I'm a big target. And if I
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: did that, I would get ratted out. And I'm too
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: practical going back to like the hiding the day jobs
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: when I was trying to make it as an actor.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I just couldn't have a house sitting in Vegas and
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: not using it to make money. So thankfully, you know,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: in 2018, I got back into there. And in 2020,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I got back into therapy because of the pandemic. And
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: life was real hard with three young children. And I
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: don't know about you in New York, but in Los Angeles, like, listen,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I would, I'm obviously a liberal person and progressive, but
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty much a centrist. Like an LA and the
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: school was just way too progressive, way too liberal. We
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: were out of school for over a year and a half.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Like, like a year. Whereas here in Vegas, they were
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: back in school real quick, which I like and I
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: prefer and kids needed that. So, I got back into
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: therapy and it was my therapist that helped me get
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: to Vegas because I had convinced myself that I was
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: stuck in L.A., that I had to stay in Los
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Angeles for my job. But no, you know, the pandemic
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: showed us all we could live anywhere. We could work
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: from anywhere.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: You know, I think we'll all be happier here. Not
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: just me, but my kids as well. And my mom and,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: you know, being a father is the most important job
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: that I have. It's the thing that I work the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: hardest at. It's also the thing that gives me the
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: most anxiety because I am such a worrier and a
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: planner and you can't control people. You can't control the future. You,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: it's important to be prepared and have, have plans and,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and have money. But I know at the end of
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the day, I'm doing my best. And thankfully my best
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: is exceptional because I'm extremely hard on myself. I put
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: the bar so up high that even if I missed
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the bar, my failure is most people's successes, you know?
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: So I love spending time with my kids, doing things
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: with them. Like some parents, you know, they love to
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: go on vacation for a week or two without their kids.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Like I would never do that. Yeah. Some parents, you know,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: they'll send their kids away to camp for the summer
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: for two months. I would never do that. Why are
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: you having kids?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: You know? So it's the best thing ever, especially because
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: each child is so different and that's such an awesome thing. Like, yes,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: they're brother and sister, but, They're so different and so special.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: And thankfully, I love them all equally.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: And they're so it's so interesting what comes out of
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: their mouth. And they're so fun. And you know, sometimes
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: they're a complete nightmare. And you're like, what? But you know,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: every day is a new day. And it starts all
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: over again. So I love my daughter. It's so much
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: fun every day to have her in my life. So
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I just enjoy every minute with her. I agree with you.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I don't send her to sleep away camp, anything like that.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: She's literally like my best friend. And I didn't have
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a great relationship with my mother. So I feel very
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: thankful that I do have a good relationship with my daughter.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: So I do have a couple more questions for you.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: You have a CBD brand, My True 10. What's that?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: And do CBD things really work? I mean, I've like
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: rubbed stuff on my back. I've seen things in gum.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Isn't that a placebo thing?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: You know, the great thing about what we're doing at MyTrue10. com
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: is we'll give you your money back if you don't
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: like it. If it doesn't work for you, that's it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: But tell me about it. But what is it?
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Is it?
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Is it in an oil?
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: What is it? We specialize in gummies, water-soluble gummies, which
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: means they are faster acting. It'll work quicker. It'll get
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: into your system within 10 minutes. That's why it's called
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: My True 10. And what's it supposed to help with?
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I can't... There's so many laws against that. I don't
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: want to get a big fine by the FDA. But
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: if you go to our website, you can check out
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: the reviews and people... Customers can tell you what it's
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: helped them with. Yeah, I've learned a lot. And that's
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: definitely been for me, a yapper and a talker. I'm like,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I can't even share my experience with it. Nope, because
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I'm a partner in this. And if I was just
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: a customer, then I could say, oh. I take it
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: for this and it helped me with that. Anyways, but
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: if I'm going to promote anything, you know, check out
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: my podcast, the Perez Hilton podcast with Chris Booker, because
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: people that listen or watch podcasts usually do enjoy more
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: than one podcast.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: know about the drawer. The drawer.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Just the one square before bed or two. You know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: nobody's watching.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: You deserve a treat.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: With eight flavors to choose from, you can choose the
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: flavor you favor with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Check it out at PerezPodcast.com.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I've been listening to it.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Tell us where we can find it.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. everywhere. You know, just go to the link
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Perez podcast.com. And it's me and my cohost. Who's this,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: you know, very different for me, straight dude that had
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: this shared interest. But I think that's what makes great,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: you know, a great episode. We won't often agree and
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: neither of us are pretending it's all real, but, And
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I love trying to get inside his brain. And we
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: talk everything trending and pop culture. And we will definitely
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: on this coming week's episode be talking about all of
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the drama with Tiger Woods and his now ex-girlfriend.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So let's get into that for a second. First
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: of all, I do want to say I've been listening
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: to you guys. Chris Booker is really funny. He has
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: me laughing.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, stop it.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: The dynamic between the two of you guys is really good.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: The pairing and the chemistry you guys have is awesome.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: And I saw that he followed me recently on Instagram,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: so I was honored. Thanks, Chris. So, yeah. So let's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: talk about some of your top stories, I guess, this week.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask you about. Is
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: that what you're going to cover this week?
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that whole thing broke after we recorded our
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: last episode. So you have great insight into this. I'm
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: just going to get into it. Now it's my show.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: So listen, so much time has passed. I don't remember
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: all of the details of everything that happened with you
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: in the past, but I believe you had signed an
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: NDA with Tiger Woods, right? Allegedly. But then you fought
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: it or something happened and now you're able to talk
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: about everything?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Listen, the bottom line is that.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I saw, yes, I signed an NDA, but
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: it was, you know, after the fact. So there's a
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: little bit of a different scenario here. So she apparently
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: signed an NDA at the beginning of a relationship, which
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: is completely different than somebody signing an NDA after a
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: relationship to cover up things you don't want to be
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: talked about.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: So there is a lot, there's a different scenario here
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: that we're talking about. So You know, I don't I
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: do think the NDAs are important when, you know, you're
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: getting into a relationship with a celebrity or a high
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: powered person and they want you to be protecting things
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: that they don't want you to be getting into a relationship.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: And then you go off and they, you know, like,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: for example, someone comes to work for you or you
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: meet some guy tomorrow and he is going to be
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: around your kids. He's going to be around your mother
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: for the next six years. And then you guys break
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: up and he's mad at you. And then all of
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: a sudden he wants to share all your dirty secrets.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's okay?
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I wouldn't make anybody sign an NDA. However,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't get married unless I'm marrying somebody with more money.
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Me too.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, different storyline. But I wouldn't make anybody sign an NDA. Yeah, okay.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Well, but that's you. But that's, again, different scenario. He did.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: He did, yeah.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the bottom line.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Is you can't... But it's fascinating. It's fascinating. So the
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: whole thing is fascinating because... So remind me if you
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: want and people listening, you signed an NDA after the
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: fact that was attached to money, right? Like he paid
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: you to be silent. Yes. But then you were not silent.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: So how did that happen?
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, there's a New York Times article that
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: was written maybe a year and a half ago that
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: people should familiarize themselves with if they haven't already. That's,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you know, probably 20 minutes. read, which if you're going
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: to cover it this week with Chris, you guys should
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: read it because it's very good. And it took them
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: about eight months to write. And it had to.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Be about you.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, it was a whole, you know, you know, cover
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: story that really talks about this whole scenario, because I
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: was paid, but I wasn't paid the full amount. And,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: and it talks about how NDAs are sent to once
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: an NDA is signed, and then It's debated. It goes
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: to arbitration and arbitration are where NDAs go to die
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and get buried. So you cannot talk about what happens
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: in an arbitration. So the bottom line is without getting
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: into a lot of detail, I wasn't paid the full amount.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Did that nullify the contract?
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: So to speak, but again, you got to read the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: article because I can't necessarily talk about the details, but listen,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: to summarize that I agreed to walk away with a
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: scarlet letter for a lot of money, but I wasn't
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: paid for the amount of money that I agreed to.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: So I spent the last 14 years getting just abused,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: called all these names. I went through life really having
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: a very difficult time with not being able to talk,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: but one person got to have a major comeback, right?
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: And so no one said anything about the man, but
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the woman has to be the mistress, the whore, the homewrecker.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Every time I would get into a relationship, I had
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: to be the one that ruined a relationship. I had
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: to have the nastiness around me, but that person didn't
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: have any sort of scorn. Do you know what I mean?
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: And that really wasn't fair for me. It's been so
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: difficult for me to get a normal job. I haven't
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: been able to have a normal relationship.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I would say, though, that Tiger Woods' past is still
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: something that, when I think of him, and a lot
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: of people, they still think of that, too. He might
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: have had a comeback in golf, but in the public's perception,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: it It's never going to be what it was before.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I would say because of everything that happened with you,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: with all of the other women, like that was just crazy.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: It was like so many. And then with, you know,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: all of his other issues that he's gone through. So
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: the bar, Rachel, the bar is so low. For example,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: look at Mel Gibson. He was allegedly physically abusive towards
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: his ex.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Said, said racist things. homophobic, anti-Semitic things. And he continued
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: to have a thriving career in Hollywood for decades after that.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: So the bar is low.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Tom Sandoval scandal, right?
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Sure, Vanderpump Rules.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you see all the people in the surrounding storyline.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Look at the anger that all those people have.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: It's all fake. It's all fake. It's all just clout chasing.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: It's performative to get attention for themselves. These are reality
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: TV stars doing what they do best, stirring the pot. Sure.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: But don't you think a lot of those people are
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: emanating like their anger? Like you see.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: it's a lot of hypocrisy because so many of.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Those who allegedly punched her, wasn't she? Someone's mistress. Wasn't she?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Eddie. And so Eddie.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then Lala Kent is so angry.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: So I have.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: No, like, I'm not invested in this. I get why
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: they're angry, but they all have their own history. So
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: what are they so mad about? Like it's, Like you're
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: listening to everybody like comment on this stuff. And it's
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: just so incredible how how this is permeated the news.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: And it's made it to The New York Times. And
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what are we talking about here? This is
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: a reality TV show with on a level that was
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: no one was really watching the show that much. The
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: hottest show on TV. So it's incredible.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: That was my initial reaction, too. Like, they're all cheaters.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: They've all cheated. Why are we shocked? I'm not shocked. Right.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: And by the way, none of them were married. So
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: what's the big deal?
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to Tiger for a moment.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: His now ex-girlfriend, you know, she's been making news because
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: of the NDA, because of the way he treated her
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: with the breakup. He didn't tell her directly. He had
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: his people tell her that he was breaking up with
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: her and a lot of shadiness. Have you reached out
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: to that woman or has she reached out to you?
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Has there been any communication?
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, but I, no, of course not. Of course,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to reach out to her, but I
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: think it'd be funny to have her on the podcast.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: We could sit here in silence and I could say
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: brought to you by Tiger Woods, NDA. We could just
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: sit here and no one would talk. No, but listen,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I think what's interesting is that if people watch like
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the HBO documentary that came out on Tiger that I
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: was also in, people would know that this guy compartmentalizes things.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: This is not like a normal breakup that normal people
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: are in. This guy wants to win. This guy wants
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: to compete. I'm just speculating on two people, right? But
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: this guy probably, they've been probably breaking up for a while.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: And at some point he was like, this girl has
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: to get out and she's not getting out. And he probably,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: you know, was like, guys, you got to get this
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: girl out. And when she went on a trip, you know,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: he probably closed the doors and I'm sure he gave
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: her some money. This guy's, I mean, he's not an asshole.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: He probably gave her some money to live in a hotel,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: probably gave her some money. I saw an article recently
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: that he gave her in the last day that he
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: gave her some money to go live somewhere else. And,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't think there's anything weird about that.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I think she was refusing to leave. I'm sure she
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: was refusing to leave a house like You.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Know, she also signed an NDA. We spoke about that.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: And now her lawyer is making noise, contesting that, which
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: is weird for me because I don't know, like nobody
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: forced that woman. Nobody forces anybody to sign an NDA.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Like if you really don't want to do it, you
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: don't do it. So two things. One, do you have
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: any empathy, sympathy? Do you feel bad for this woman?
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: And two, do you think her lawyer will be successful
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: and that the NDA should be tossed out?
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: My personal opinion? I mean, listen, no one knows what
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: happens behind closed doors besides two people in a relationship.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I always caution people to be careful when you're judging
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: things in a relationship, right? Even when there's court documents involved.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Do I have empathy for her? Yes, because she's up
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: against a machine.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: But, you know, it's a different scenario. It didn't even
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: occur to me. It didn't occur to me until you
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: just explained it that way. Her lawyer in doing this
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: the way that he did, it could just be a
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: tactic to try to get more money out of him.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Is that.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: It?
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: It could be a tactic, yeah. Maybe not more money,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: but it's a tactic to get this played out in
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the court of public opinion.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, money is what matters, right?
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Like why play it out in the court of public
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: opinion if you don't want more money from him to
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: make it go away?
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Or money to make it go away.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: It's all speculation. That's what we do, right? Speculate.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: So, you know, everything that happened with you and the
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: response that you got from people, what's the biggest lesson
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: you learned from that all?
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Never take money to sign an NDA. It just chokes you.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, it ruined my life for the last 14 years.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: It's been really, really hard to get my voice back,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: to get your credibility back, to get people to respect you.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: It's been really hard for me. I mean, you knew
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: me as a person before that. I had an amazing job.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I had amazing friends. I was really happy. It's been
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: really hard to get my footing back.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Would you say you're happy now?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I'm trying every day. I'm trying to get back there.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm the same person I was when you
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: knew me, but it's taken me some time to get
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: back there. You know, I'm so misunderstood, right? That is
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: my biggest challenge. So I have to... Every person I meet,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: it's like I have to... address them and get them
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: to give me a chance one person at a time.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: That's my biggest challenge. And so maybe.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, same, you know, cause Perez Hilton, isn't my
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: real name. It's Mark. And, you know, I'm not always
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: flamboyant and fabulous. Like some, you know, the real me
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: isn't whom you might think he is.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: And people think they know you, right? People think they
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: know everything about you. And you don't want to always
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: be that person that people think they know. You might
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: want to sit at home and watch a documentary. You
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: might want to be a recluse all the time. I
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: am a recluse. I love watching Dateline all the time.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with Nancy Grace. I want to figure out
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: all the murder mysteries. I just want to be with
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: my kid and I just want to find happiness. It's
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: hard navigating what people think about you and who you
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: are and finding that middle ground. So I think that's
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing that's misunderstood.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I want to know if you were managing Britney Spears,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: what you would tell her to do and how you
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: would manage her social media account.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I would not tell Britney to do anything. I
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: would lovingly suggest or encourage that she do everything in
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: her power to be healthier and focus on her health.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get into details, but we've learned
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: enough over the last few months that it's not shocking
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: to understand that Brittany has such a hatred and a
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: distrust of doctors. And that puts her in a very
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: difficult position because... Many, perhaps she might need the help
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: of doctors. And if you can't trust doctors, but you
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: need their help and then you don't get help from doctors,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: that it's just a vicious cycle and hard. So I
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: would just suggest that she do whatever she can to
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: be a healthier person, whether that be see a doctor,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: a therapist, you know, whatever it is, not drink. I
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: don't know. So I would just encourage her to move
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: forward on a path of health, health and wellness. And
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I would let her keep doing exactly what she's doing
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: with her social media because it's making her happy. So
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: who cares what people think, you know, like do what
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: makes you happy. It's not hurting anybody. Well, it is alleged,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: not even allegedly, it is hurting her children. Her kids
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: have said they don't like it and they don't want that,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: but hopefully as her kids get older, they'll understand the
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: insane amount of trauma that their mother has been through.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: And hopefully then there'll be more supportive of her, healing
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: her trauma in whatever ways are non hurtful to her. Yeah.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Okay. Great answer. Well, I could talk to you all
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: day long and hopefully we'll do this again. And, you know,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I want you to give my best to Chris Booker.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: And I can't wait to see you when I come
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: to you.
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