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SEC Reality Check: Tom Luginbill on LSU, Lane Kiffin & Elite Rosters 🏈🐯 · Out of Bounds with Bo Bounds

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  Speaker 1: Tom Lougan, Bill, good morning, how are you.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you. But I'm doing good. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: We're good, Bud, Thanks for hanging out with us. So
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  Speaker 1: let's start with the most pressure to deliver in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six. You'll love this. This is great summertime topic.
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  Speaker 1: Most pressure to deliver in twenty twenty six. Kiffin smart
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  Speaker 1: or sort Luke's.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Kiffin, without question.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they've almost set themselves up for a nowhere
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  Speaker 3: to go but down scenario.
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  Speaker 2: When you consider the.
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  Speaker 3: Pressure and the expectations, the resources that have been allotted,
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  Speaker 3: the money that has already been spent, the ballet hood,
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  Speaker 3: recruiting class, transfer portal class, all of it. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: this isn't This isn't like taking the old miss job
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  Speaker 3: and that you get to a nine win season and
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  Speaker 3: they are going to build a statue of you outside
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  Speaker 3: of the state.
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  Speaker 2: This is a.
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  Speaker 3: College football playoff top four or five seed, We expect
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  Speaker 3: it right now type of expectation and fair or unfair,
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  Speaker 3: they've created this, and that's fine because that's the nature
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  Speaker 3: of the business. You know, Stark's going to have a
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  Speaker 3: great football team. I think Kirby's gonna have a great
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  Speaker 3: football team. But right now, this is about Lane establishing
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  Speaker 3: LSU as a national title contender right out of the gate.
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  Speaker 1: And a tough September schedule for Lane with Clemson and
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  Speaker 1: Ole Miss and A and m SO. Tom Lougan Bill
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  Speaker 1: on the at of Bounds show, which roster would you
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  Speaker 1: take today? Texas, Georgia, LSU.
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  Speaker 3: Lukes Texas and Georgia over LSU's roster. The reason why
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  Speaker 3: I say that is there are more returning, verifiable proven
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  Speaker 3: play on Texas and Georgia in relationship to guys that
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  Speaker 3: have played and been within the program.
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  Speaker 2: Right So when you look at Georgia.
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  Speaker 3: And Notre Dame's actually in this conversation too, you look
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  Speaker 3: at Georgia and you look at Texas and you say, okay,
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  Speaker 3: we're the established foundations. Clearly on the high school side,
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  Speaker 3: have they for the most part, you're not going to
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  Speaker 3: be able to do it with everybody, But have they
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  Speaker 3: developed and retained at the high school level?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? And then they supplement.
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  Speaker 3: And they sprinkle in transfer portal additions more than likely upperclassmen,
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  Speaker 3: guys that are going to bring experience, they're going to
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  Speaker 3: bring age, they're going to bring maturity, and right now,
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  Speaker 3: from an established standpoint, I think you'd have to take
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  Speaker 3: Texas or Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, But having said all that, LSU's you know, they're
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  Speaker 1: not far off.
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  Speaker 2: No, And I think LSU has got a high ceiling.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, But and I've said this to you multiple
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  Speaker 3: times on your program, if Sam Levitt doesn't perform, and
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  Speaker 3: more importantly, doesn't stay healthy, then they're likely going to be,
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  Speaker 3: you know, jumping to a youngster if that were to happen,
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  Speaker 3: and it's happened a lot with him, right the previous
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  Speaker 3: two years at Arizona State.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of the hype, let's.
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  Speaker 3: Not forget, a lot of the hype on him was
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  Speaker 3: based off of that twenty twenty four season, right, and
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  Speaker 3: not much other of a sample size to warrant that hype.
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  Speaker 2: So he's going to have to come through big for them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So eight and four, eight and four will just
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  Speaker 1: be a big time disappointment, and you can't get in
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  Speaker 1: at nine and three. I don't with the twelve until
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  Speaker 1: we go to sixteen, twenty or twenty four Lukes, which
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  Speaker 1: is happening, but we just don't know which number. I
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  Speaker 1: think a bunch of SEC teams and Big ten teams
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  Speaker 1: will go at nine and three eventually, But this is
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  Speaker 1: going to be a year where Sankie thought we would
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  Speaker 1: have expanded by now. They couldn't get on the same page,
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  Speaker 1: as you know. But they went ahead and added the
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  Speaker 1: ninth conference game, So we could have a big cluster
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  Speaker 1: of nine and three teams that are on the outside
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  Speaker 1: looking in, even though that could be a good year in.
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  Speaker 2: That CC of course, but you could have that out
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  Speaker 2: of conference.
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  Speaker 3: You could have that out of the out of the
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  Speaker 3: ACC too. What I mean, what if what if Miami's
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  Speaker 3: right there in it again? Clemson's in a position right
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  Speaker 3: now or for the first time in what fifteen years?
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  Speaker 3: Nobody's talking about them. Yeah, like they're lying in the weeds.
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  Speaker 2: To me.
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  Speaker 3: You got Louisville, you got SMU sitting there. There could
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  Speaker 3: be a bunch of teams sitting there at ten and two,
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  Speaker 3: nine and three out of all of the conferences, right
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  Speaker 3: and and and then.
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  Speaker 2: What do you do? What what you got to make sure.
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  Speaker 3: We don't do is go down last year's path, and
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  Speaker 3: the ACC created that. But to leave teams like BYU Texas,
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  Speaker 3: even Vanderbilt, Notre Dame and Notre Dame at home in
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  Speaker 3: favor of James Madison in.
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  Speaker 2: Tulane is absolutely laughable.
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  Speaker 3: Because that's the different And I think I said this
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  Speaker 3: to you too, Bo, but nobody wants to talk about
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  Speaker 3: Cinderella's and you know those long shots and you want
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  Speaker 3: to root from and this and that. Well, the difference
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  Speaker 3: between the basketball tournament and the football College Football Playoff
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  Speaker 3: is basketball doesn't leave the blue blood established program sitting
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  Speaker 3: at home to left the Cinderella in right, right, we
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  Speaker 3: just left those guys at home, and they want to
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  Speaker 3: call it the twelve best teams in college football.
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  Speaker 2: Give me a break.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, that's a good point on Notre Dame and
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  Speaker 1: Texas and to a certain extent, Bandy going ten and
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  Speaker 1: two sure and getting sure and getting left out. Tom
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  Speaker 1: Logan Bill on the Out of Bounds Show Driven by
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  Speaker 1: your next GMC Sierra Truck at Fowler GMC. You mentioned
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  Speaker 1: Notre Dame and you're heavily you know, you started a
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  Speaker 1: quarterback at Georgia Tech. You covered the ACC forever. Now
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  Speaker 1: you're heavily involved in the ACC. They're tied in with
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  Speaker 1: their four or five games a year. But have you
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  Speaker 1: ever in modern era Luke's looked at a schedule that
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  Speaker 1: lines up this way considered considering what Marcus Freeman and
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  Speaker 1: Notre Dame are bringing back.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean it's you know what it is. It's
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  Speaker 3: the perfect recipe for a national title run. It's also
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  Speaker 3: the perfect recipe for disaster. Yeah, right, it's a double
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  Speaker 3: edged sword. And you know, when you look, go look
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  Speaker 3: at Notre Dame and the job that they've done in
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  Speaker 3: terms of development and retention. They've got a potential top
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  Speaker 3: five pick at quarterback. They've got two young, outstanding offensive
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  Speaker 3: tackles on both sides. The biggest thing for me about
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  Speaker 3: Notre Dame is they're gonna have to come up with
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  Speaker 3: a way of generating pass rush, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, and that was something that was lacking a year ago.
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  Speaker 3: I think they've got to increase the output there, create
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  Speaker 3: more negative plays in the backfield, get people in second
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  Speaker 3: and third and long on a more consistent basis. But
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  Speaker 3: everything else is there, man. I mean, they are established,
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  Speaker 3: and they've got the schedule where out side of probably
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  Speaker 3: the Miami Contest, it's not even close in terms of
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  Speaker 3: roster profile comparison with Notre Dame and whoever else they're playing.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that game's in South Bend. It is Yeah, beautiful, incredible,
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  Speaker 1: And so I mean, we we all have them in
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  Speaker 1: the They could, they could screw it up, but we
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  Speaker 1: all have them in the College Football Playoff with their
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  Speaker 1: schedule and talent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if they're in the top twelve, it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 2: what they do. They're in right right.
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  Speaker 3: And if that roster and that team with that schedule
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  Speaker 3: isn't in the top twelve, then they've had a twenty
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  Speaker 3: five Clemson collapse.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right out of bounds. ESPN one oh five nine
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  Speaker 1: to the zone. You mentioned Texas. I'm not sure. I
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  Speaker 1: know they have the talent. We all know that, But
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm buying so kai Kowski to
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  Speaker 1: me like premier, big time defensive coordinator, must champs like good,
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  Speaker 1: But he's in the B level. I think Taikowski's in
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  Speaker 1: the A level.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't. I don't know if I agree with that.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's been there's I think there's been plenty
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  Speaker 3: of proof that Will musch Champ as.
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  Speaker 2: A coordinator is at the elite level.
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  Speaker 3: Now, we all know you got to have players, right,
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  Speaker 3: You got to have really really good players, and really
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  Speaker 3: really good players make you a really really good coach.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, and Texas is going to have that. You know
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  Speaker 2: it'll be.
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  Speaker 3: Now, it might look a little different, they might be
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  Speaker 3: a little bit different schematically and things of that nature.
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  Speaker 3: But understand too that it's all coming off of the
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  Speaker 3: of the same tree, and Stark coached under that tree.
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  Speaker 3: Like he knows exactly what they are getting scheme wise
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  Speaker 3: on defense, he knows exactly how it's going to be implemented.
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  Speaker 2: He knows what the challenges are playing against that defense.
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  Speaker 2: So whether it's.
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  Speaker 3: Mush Champ, Pete Golding, Kirby Smart, whoever it is, you
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  Speaker 3: know that you want to look at and say, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we know the sab And tree, we know
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  Speaker 3: what the scheme is, tried and true. You add great
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  Speaker 3: players to it, they're going to be a formidable group.
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  Speaker 1: Tom Loganville, national college football analyst with the ESPN on
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  Speaker 1: the out of boundship, I want to go to ole
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  Speaker 1: Miss Kiffin is has established himself. Is it fair to
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  Speaker 1: say Kiffin's established himself the last six years as a
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  Speaker 1: top ten play caller?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I would actually go back to even he is a
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  Speaker 3: younger coach, gnashing his teeth and being able to develop
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  Speaker 3: as a play caller and a you know, an overseer
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  Speaker 3: of the offense, going back to him working under Norm
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  Speaker 3: Child sc in some of those SC offenses, and then
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  Speaker 3: obviously it became his turn, and eventually it became Sark's turn.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think where he's done a really good
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  Speaker 3: job is he's evolved with the game, right, He's added wrinkles,
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  Speaker 3: he's eliminated things.
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  Speaker 2: He's tweaked, he's became you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, they weren't a tempo team at USC. They weren't
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  Speaker 3: a let's go as fast as we can team at USC.
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  Speaker 3: He's found some positives in that, so he's implemented it.
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  Speaker 3: I think the evolution of him not just as a
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  Speaker 3: play caller, but to enhance the play call by enhancing
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  Speaker 3: the approach.
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  Speaker 2: And he's done.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Now Trinidad Chambliss and Keewan Lacy have a new
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  Speaker 1: play caller who has two years of offensive coordinator experience
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  Speaker 1: under his bell in East Carolina and John David Baker
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  Speaker 1: and John David Baker said, yeah, it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the same but some different and different terminology.
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  Speaker 1: So you started at quarterback at Georgia Tech. I know
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  Speaker 1: Trinidad and Lacy are going to know the offense and sold,
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  Speaker 1: but what does that entail?
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  Speaker 2: Walk us through?
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  Speaker 1: There will be some tweaks and different terminology for this
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  Speaker 1: Ole Miss offense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what you got to do is if
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  Speaker 3: you sat there and you put it on paper, right,
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  Speaker 3: and you drew out the concepts and this and that,
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  Speaker 3: all right, it just made me that instead of calling
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  Speaker 3: it a slants, we called a glance, right.
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  Speaker 2: Instead of a slant, we called a glance, all right.
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  Speaker 3: And instead of a dig, we called it over you
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  Speaker 3: know whatever it might be. Instead of a comeback, we
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  Speaker 3: called a cob. You're just talking about interchangeable words. But
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  Speaker 3: if you visualize it and looked at it, and let's
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  Speaker 3: just say you took a play because John David Baker's
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  Speaker 3: offenses essentially, I mean, it's rooted in old Missus principles.
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  Speaker 3: He's coached there before. And you drew it and you said, okay,
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  Speaker 3: what does this play to you? To a player that
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  Speaker 3: played at ole Miss a year ago? And they look
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  Speaker 3: at it, they know exactly what it is. Well, so
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  Speaker 3: the play is not changing, just what you're calling it
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  Speaker 3: maybe shifting a little bit. Now, that's where your off
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  Speaker 3: season comes in, right, That's where you're working January February March,
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  Speaker 3: and you head into spring football. And if you can't
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  Speaker 3: come out of spring football adjusting to terminology, you're not
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  Speaker 3: a very smart football player. And dumb players lose games.
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  Speaker 3: So there's gonna be very there's gonna be very little tolerance,
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  Speaker 3: uh to not be able to know what the foundation
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  Speaker 3: of the offense is when you see it, but not
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  Speaker 3: be able to adjust because you change a couple of
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  Speaker 3: things here and there, you tag something or you call
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  Speaker 3: it protection something instead of a protection being a name,
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  Speaker 3: that's now a number. Okay, well, we got to be
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  Speaker 3: able to adjust to that. The good part about all
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  Speaker 3: of this is by eliminating the second transfer portal period
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  Speaker 3: from the time that player has arrived, either through high
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  Speaker 3: school recruiting in December or the transfer portal you know
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  Speaker 3: in January one, spring football ended, they're not going anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: They're there, so you're not having it. Let's just say
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  Speaker 3: take a second group of transfer portal guys that previously
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  Speaker 3: would have come in after spring football and now integrate
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  Speaker 3: them heading into fall camp. That's already been done. So
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  Speaker 3: by the time anybody, whether it's terminology, even if you
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  Speaker 3: even if you flip the scheme. Even if you brought
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  Speaker 3: in an offer at the coordinator that was gonna, you know,
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  Speaker 3: run a different style of offense.
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  Speaker 2: There's there's gonna be very little tolerance and very little.
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  Speaker 3: Excuses for, especially at the quarterback position, but everybody else
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  Speaker 3: as well, to not be dialed in on what you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like John David Baker throws the ball a
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  Speaker 1: good bit more than Kiffin. Kiffin's been somehow we painted
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  Speaker 1: him Kiffin is a pass happy offense because we see
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  Speaker 1: all the explosive plays, guys running wide open. But as
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  Speaker 1: you know, Lane loves to run the football. Not that
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  Speaker 1: John David Baker won't, but he he skews on the
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  Speaker 1: kind of the big twelve, twenty ten, twenty eleven, throw
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  Speaker 1: it four from what I got it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I actually I had the Carolina three times last year,
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  Speaker 3: so it became very familiar with them on Thursday Night football,
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  Speaker 3: and so I think they want to run it more.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the thing that's you know, interesting, We forget
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  Speaker 3: about this. Either folks don't know it or they don't
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  Speaker 3: realize it's happening, because it's not. It's tough to see
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  Speaker 3: if you don't know what you're watching, but oftentimes things
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  Speaker 3: that materialize in the passing game were called runs in
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  Speaker 3: the huddle, right, And so what's happening is it's really
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  Speaker 3: simple math. And that is when you get into that
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  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage play and you've either got two plays
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  Speaker 3: called in one or you're gonna have a check out
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  Speaker 3: of it based off of what the look is. The
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  Speaker 3: quarterbacks count numbers, right, and so we may say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we want to run it here, we want to establish
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  Speaker 3: this here, but oh boy, they've got seven in the
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  Speaker 3: box and we've only got five or six to block them. Well,
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  Speaker 3: that's not smart football, right, So we got to get
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  Speaker 3: out of that. And if you're gonna load the box,
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  Speaker 3: we want to have one on one opportunities and you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna throw the football. Conversely, the exact opposite happens as well.
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  Speaker 3: You may come into a situation where you've got second
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  Speaker 3: and eight and you've got a pass play called and
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  Speaker 3: they're in too high and got five people in the box. Well,
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna check to run, right, because now you have
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  Speaker 3: the numbers advantage and you're going to try to get
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  Speaker 3: five six yards of that and get yourself in second
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  Speaker 3: and short which is third and short, which is what
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  Speaker 3: everybody wants to be in.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not necessarily rocket science. It's numbers.
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  Speaker 1: And you have a veteran quarterback who proved he was
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  Speaker 1: arguably the best decision maker in the country.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah last year in Trinidad.
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  Speaker 3: He can get you in and out of those things, right,
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  Speaker 3: he knows he knows pre snap. Okay, this is what
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  Speaker 3: we ultimately want to be in. We don't want to
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  Speaker 3: run this versus this look. We'd ideally love him to
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  Speaker 3: be in this look. If we're going to attack them
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  Speaker 3: with this. Oh wait that they're not in that look either.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to something else and understand too, Like at
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  Speaker 3: the speed and rate that they're going, how fast that
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  Speaker 3: stuff has to happen, right, And because it's not just
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  Speaker 3: the pre snap recognition in the diagnosis once the ball snapped,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to produce a positive result. And with offenses
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  Speaker 3: like that, they're having to make those determinations anywhere between
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  Speaker 3: eleven and fourteen seconds.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Levy, who's on the hot seat and has to
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  Speaker 1: win this year, and he has a true sophomore back
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  Speaker 1: and I always referenced Dak and Eli, who back then
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  Speaker 1: didn't start until the red shirt sophomore years here and
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  Speaker 1: they're both phenomenal. Okay, they hung around forever all that,
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  Speaker 1: so his job is right, you know, is on the line.
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  Speaker 1: With a true sophomore QB who's six foot four, two thirty.
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  Speaker 1: You know he can run around, probably not a refined passer,
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  Speaker 1: yet you played quarterback at the Power four level knowing
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  Speaker 1: that you've got to win X amount of games. What
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  Speaker 1: would be your I mean, what would be to your
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  Speaker 1: approach this year with a true sophomore that played a
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  Speaker 1: little bit last year, knowing that he's going to have
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  Speaker 1: to carry you over the finish line, so to speak.
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  Speaker 3: Lukes, Well, I think that's where the the off season
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  Speaker 3: coaching component comes into play.
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  Speaker 2: As you mentioned, you've got a small sample size, there's
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  Speaker 2: tape to be to.
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  Speaker 3: Be watched, and then you're you're continuing to develop this
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  Speaker 3: player's theory of the game knowledge. It's not necessarily how
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  Speaker 3: big he is, how tall he is, it's what can
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  Speaker 3: he handle, what can he process? What can he do right?
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  Speaker 3: And you're gonna test that out. That's what spring football's for.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna put him in situations to see what he does.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna maybe try to trick him into a situation
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: to see if he recognizes it and gets out of
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: it or moves into something. You're going to want to
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: really upgrade that player's knowledge of past protections and how
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: to protect himself and get the team into the right call.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: So I think so much of.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: The development and an off season between a freshman and
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: sophomore year is really advancing that player's knowledge of the
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: game so that they can think fast and they can
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: play comfortable. Now does that mean that you ask them
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: to do something that maybe they're not comfortable with or
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: they don't have confidence in. Absolutely not. But that's what
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: you're trying to find out, right, Because we can talk
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: all we want about scheme and systems and this and that.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: The great systems are the systems that revolve around a
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: player strengths and then do everything they can to mask weaknesses.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: So you're trying to figure out what that is, Right,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: You're trying to say, Okay, you know, with with.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Somebody like I don't know anybody, they would have had
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: it at Oklahoma under.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Jeff Levy, guys that had Dylan Well, yeah, okay, let's
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: take Dylan Gabriel for example, Okay, they may do things
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: in the office with Dylan Gabriel that they're not going
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: to do with Kamaro Taylor, right, And maybe it's not
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: because he's not capable of doing it, but maybe it's
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: because he's not capable of doing it yet, right, Or
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: you're going to implement some things that Camaro Taylor does
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: really really well that you wouldn't have done with Dylan Gabriel,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: and whether that's moving the pocket, changing the launch point,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: putting in him in a position to always be able
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: to run in case things don't happen and he doesn't
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: get through the progression, but avoiding a negative play and
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: doing so. You got to find those things out and
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: then you build the day offense around that, right, because
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: you don't want to stick a square Pegan around hole,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: you know, like the old days it used to be, well,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: you know, we're going to put this guy into the
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: West Coast offense, or this guy's going to be right
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: in the multiple pro style, and this is who we
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: are and this is what we're gonna do.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: There has to adapt. Yes, those days are long gone. Yes,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: all right, we'll wrap it up with this.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Tom Lougan Bill on the show ESPN college football analysts
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: biggest story coming out of the ACC. Can Belichick get
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: it done at North Carolina? Can Dabbo reboot Clemson? Or
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: does Mario make another run? Or is it another You
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: were there all week last week. You've got some big
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: names in the conference. What is it for you?
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Tom Lougan Bill, I don't think it's really I don't
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: think North Carolina's is a big of a storyline unless
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: they come out of nowhere and just completely have a
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: reversal of fortune. You know, last year, if you remember,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: they were gifted a great schedule and went four and
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: eight with it. They have not been gifted that schedule
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: this time around. Schedule is much more difficult.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: They are going to have almost.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: As many new faces as they had a year ago,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: yet they're gonna be less experienced. I love to hire
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Bobby Patrino, but what can he get out of the quarterback?
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: And how much better can they be? They gotta be
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: able to run the football.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I mean last year North Carolina, when they ran for
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: one hundred and forty five yards or more per game,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: they were three and oh they only won four games
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: all right? Last year at Arkansas there were only two
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: games where Bobby Patrino's offense didn't rush for one hundred
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: and forty five yards or more.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: So they're going to try to run the.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Football North Carolina, and they need to because you don't
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: know what the quarterback.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Position is going to be just yet. Miami is to me,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: they're the most talented team.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: They have the best blend of high school developed recruits
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: and transfer portal additions.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: For me, I don't think.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: It's about how good Miami's gonna be or how good
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: they're capable of being. To me, it's going to be
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: all about did they spend their offseason reading their press clippings? Yeah,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: and you know, the pats on the backs and the addible.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I mean that stuff starts sinking in and all of
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: a sudden, you know, you get caught up in it
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: and you lose your focus and you're not you know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: when you bring a new guys that weren't a part
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: of that run last year, they didn't have anything to
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: do with that. Now you got to establish that run
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: on your own with a new team and a new
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: locker room, a new leadership. And I think that's something
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: you know to keep an eye on with Miami. I
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: think Clemson is gonna be very interesting to watch because,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: like I said, you know when, when was the last
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: time we were going into a preseason where all the
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: talk was it Clemson? You know, So it's gonna be interesting.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: The quarterback play is actually pretty good in the ACC.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: CJ. Bailey at Nancy State is a stud. Kevin Jennings
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: at SMU is a stud.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: We obviously know Darien mensa big time player getting that
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: move to Miami. And you know, we'll see how the
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: whole thing plays out.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Lukes, we appreciate it.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Have a good week, my man.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: You bet we'll do the same to you.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Tom Logan Bill on the Out of Bound Show, ESPN
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