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The Secret to Wholehearted Rhythms | a conversation with Katye Riselli · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Hi friends, welcome to the Simply Wholehearted community.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Amy Wicks, your host, and here at Simply Wholehearted, we enjoy talking about the gospel messages your heart was created to hear, Enneagram insights, and how you can be confident that you are the best mom.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: We are well on our way into a shiny new year and a new decade.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're anything like me, you are looking for all the permission you can find to ease into this year before the next busy season begins.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully you've had ample time to take in my last couple of episodes, which are episode 134 and 135, which I created to set you up to not only determine your 2020 wholehearted goals, but also to help you create the boundaries you need in order to make them happen.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'd also love to hear if you've incorporated the learn questions in your daily conversation with your kids.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: Now that everyone is healthy, praise the Lord, and school is back in session, I'm reminded once again how invaluable those questions are with my crew.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: So now that you've taken time to learn about 2019 and you've decided what you'd like to learn in 2020 and you're taking back your calendar, we are gonna take the next three weeks to get our wholehearted rhythms underway.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: But listen, I don't just want to offer warm and fuzzy conversation.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: I want it to be a conversation that you can walk away from, feeling like these new rhythms are not only life-giving, but they're also fun.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because I believe if we make what's important to us a little bit more fun, we will actually find ourselves doing what matters to us.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Katie Roselli has been a frequent guest on the podcast, and today she's gonna offer up her expertise and personal experience about sticking to those boundaries we've created with her wisdom from the hashtag just say no january, philosophy, and her insight about uncovering your wholehearted rhythms of getting into the word this year.
• 2:07
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• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I know you're gonna love what you'll learn from this conversation, so let's dive right in.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, friend, happy new year and happy just say no January.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: Whoop.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: All right, give us an update.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: We're a few days into January, and really it does feel like only a few days because there was that whole no man's land, you know, around the 12 days of Christmas, and we didn't even know what day of the week it was because Christmas and New Year's fell on Wednesdays, so it felt like a weekend, and then Thursday felt like Monday.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: And we're like, wait, what nobody knew what to do.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, but the kids are back in school, we are slowly finding our rhythm.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, and I love giving the permission.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: A couple years ago, we started the idea of three weeks to new year, and I shared my rhythm of we fast and pray, we incorporate a slower schedule, so we can just get oriented to what the rest of the year holds, and so important, right?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: Because otherwise it's just like off to the races and we don't even get a second.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: You're going before you even know you started.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: And and it's you know, two weeks into the new year, and wait, wait, what was 2020 gonna be about?
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: What what what was 2019?
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly, exactly.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, our tradition has also been with the three weeks to a new wholehearted year, we talk about these rhythms that I incorporate in my life, and I like to talk about it with people who also incorporate these rhythms, and that encompasses word, worship, and right.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: So today we're gonna talk about word, but before we do, and because I feel like this sets up our opportunity to start those wholehearted rhythms, is we talk about just say no, January.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because when we talked about planning for the year ahead, we we we kind of took in our calendar what worked and what didn't last year, and then what we want for this year.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: And part of figuring out what we want for this year is saying no to some things, even if it's good.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: So give us a little update.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: What's that looking like for you this year?
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: And what what could you teach us in some nuggets of wisdom that you got for us today?
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I you know, I love just saying no, January.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is the fourth year I've done it.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I think you and I got to talk about it last year a little bit.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: And last year, my big no was that I had said I'd given a pretty big yes to a project.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: And and so that meant I was gonna clear my schedule for two months to do to to work on that.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and what was interesting as I started thinking about this year um in December, I realized, you know, that was the only time in my entire year that I gave myself that kind of space and margin um that I intentionally did it.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: At the end of the year, I unintentionally did it by giving myself a concussion.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that wasn't so good.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'll repeat that, which was not great.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but but at the same time, in because of that, I had this doctor's note to opt out during what could have been the busiest time of year through the holidays.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I had to in order to recover.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so it made me realize I want to be intentional not just in January, but all year and carving out that space and and making sure that I've cleared the cutter clutter in my head, in my heart, um, and not just clear my counters in my kitchen.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's good.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so um January, I think this year is a lot more of taking it to that next step of just not just saying no to sugar, but saying no to sugar, which is great.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: But let's take let's say no to sugar because it's actually um masking another underlying thing um that we need to say no to um and say yes to something else.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so um, you know, one of the first for me was um it it's a it's a tongue-in-cheek, you know, say no to hiding um the and saying yes to getting in the picture.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, for me, I like to take pictures, I like to write speeches, I'm far more comfortable behind the scenes.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but if sometimes where God asks us to go is out of our comfort zone often.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so while yes, it was tangibly getting in the picture and having updating my professional headshots, the other side of that was saying yes to where God would call me that would ask me to go, not necessarily writing speeches for someone, but giving a speech or being on a panel of White House speechwriters.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so that yes, really, let's say yes to things because we are digging up the roots that we don't need to take with us.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's good stuff.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: In a new year.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of people are gonna want to hop over to your Instagram because you have chronicled every day what you're saying no to.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: And all of it is really inspiring.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it it's not just say no to these same things, but like you said, what is the at the core of what you need to say no to?
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you might give an illustration from your own life, but a lot of it has a ton of food for thought and prompts for you to dig into your own life and go, okay, because I said yes to this thing, I need to say no to this thing.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not bad, it's good.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: And and like you said, because you said yes to speaking, you had to say no to fear to stepping out and getting those pictures done and all the other things that have been involved in this process that I know behind the scenes, which are all very exciting.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: And the other, you know, we realize is that I think in a new year, we we are the most intentional version of ourselves.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we we all collectively as a society, um, it's a clean slate.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: We get to start over.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: And there's so much grace for somebody like me who's a perfectionist or a recovering one, or who, at least because of of the Enneagram, I understand what it is that I'm such a very black or white individual.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so instead of saying, oh my gosh, you want me to do 30 days of of daily chronicling, um, which I've really kind of pushed back on ever since I started blogging in my own name, it was just one day at a time.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so um each each post is it's not pre-planned, it's not pre-loaded, right?
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's not um, it's not, it's not um scheduled content.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's literally um praying each day, Lord, what are what am I saying no to today?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like what is it and what habit or what thoughtful intention rooted in his word am I learning and that I do I want to take and take with me?
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what do I want to sit down and what do I want to take into 2020?
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: I like the word because I don't want a heavy load.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think any of us do.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, none of us do.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: It really is a a wonderful invitation to do a life audit and evaluate things before we just hit the ground running and we don't get a chance to see, see what what it is we really want, and then set our intention.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and I I I just love that you're doing this in real time.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's a ton of power in that.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I really see that the Lord is speaking and moving, and I think people are really loving it.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so for us and and for you, what is it that you need to say no to in order to incorporate more word in your life?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because when we talk about word, we're gonna not only, you know, word for the year is what a lot of people are thinking of, and and we'll talk about that actually a little bit more when it comes to week write.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: But word is talking about getting into the word of God more often, and it's that's a wholehearted rhythm that I think a lot of us aspire to do more of.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: And we all know the benefits of it.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: We've maybe personally experienced the benefits of it or heard of it.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: But what is it that you have to say no to to incorporate more word in your life on a regular basis?
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think I have to say no to, you know, it starts out as saying no to this set idea of what it looks like to be in the word of God.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because I think there's plenty of methods or plans or systems that do it.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, I might start a half dozen different ones and I don't continue it, and then I throw the whole thing out.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think that the biggest no I had to give was I had to give myself permission to figure out what worked for me and the time of day that worked best for me.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so I had to say no to the shoulds, you know, really at the heart of a lot of things for me, it's realizing that I needed to dump the shoulds and and and ask the Lord, what is it for me in this space?
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so, you know, different season of our lives, we're gonna have a different time of our day where we can get in the word and get a lot of it, or even just get enough of it when you have tiny people.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so it's it's dumping this perfect idea of this is what it looks like to be to know God's word or to study the Bible or to memorize scripture.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be index cards and you're gonna memorize them and you're gonna do this.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: It could be something as simple as I have it in different places of my house on a stand, um, incorporating it into my, you know, decorations, or the bulletin board in my kitchen, which is the only place that looks completely cluttered, but it's all the things that I need my eyes to fall on because I spend most of my day there.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so when I'm staring at the stove, I'm seeing an encouragement to remember God's faithfulness in a Bible verse that reminds me that He's faithful.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: Or um making time and space in my day, in my schedule, in my week to be in Bible study, because I know that I'm I'm not gonna call it to mind if I haven't been reading it.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: But it doesn't mean I have to read it for 30 minutes, but it does mean that maybe the first thing I pick up in the day, if it's my phone, to turn off my alarm, instead of going to the news headlines, which I would do if I as a public affairs professional or going to social media because I'm a mom and I wonder, you know, what's going on with my friends.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I I I I have a love-hate relationship with social media because I have friends all over the world and they post things in the middle of the night because they live on the other side of the world.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: But instead of starting with the news or with social media, I start with an app that gives me a Bible verse and walks me through a passage of scripture.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and so I think when we carve out the space, we say no to the things that would take up the space we need to give to the word, then we can say yes to God's word in a way that's intentional and thoughtful.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't have to be perfect, and it's not going to be the same every single day.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but what is gonna be the same is that that I've created space in my day for it.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's really interesting.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: You talk about some of the obstacles that you have to overcome to give yourself more time to the word, and it's obvious that you are you lead as an Enneagram type one.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I think probably for each personality type, they're gonna have to say to unique obstacles.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Not to mention, of course, our season of life that we might be in, and those might be unique challenges as well.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I think for the Enneagram 2, a lot of things we talk about is the Enneagram 2 is always gonna maybe overcome the desire to help all the people.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I they get this all the time, but a lot of times the women that I coach that are a lead as a type 2, they talk about going to the scripture and feeling the need to uh text someone right away, the revelation they had, because they're praying for their friends' needs, and you know they're coming to mind, and so they're using their the time that they would have to get in the word for themselves, they're using it for other people.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then for someone like me, I have to put aside my desire to accomplish or to see it as just another accomplishment and a task to check off my list, and I have to engage.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think we could probably go through all of that and maybe we'll have that conversation on the socials because there's so much there to really give some consideration and go, oh, is that one of the things that's getting away or taking away from the time I'm putting into the word?
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes it's a subconscious thing, you know, that I think that the the more we dig into um what we need to say no to, no, you know, it it's not a always a bad thing that we're saying no to, but it can be good things.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but maybe they're not in the right space or they've overgrown the space they should stay in.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so sometimes it it a lot of just say no, January sometimes can for some people can be like the first time they've had permission to draw boundaries.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: And to know um that they have permission to do that.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think also when we, you know, there's there's so many choices on the internet.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there are thousands of podcasts, there's millions of blogs.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: People have a choice of where they get content.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: And and I think it's really helpful to say no to noise and and be really thoughtful about whose voices you're listening to, um, and ensuring that God's voice is the loudest, his vote's the biggest, um, and he has a trump card in every conversation.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: And you only know what his voice is, and you only know what he has to say about anything if you're in his word.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I know for you a few years ago, you said yes to Bible study fellowship.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: What prompted that, or what kind of what led you to that group?
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: How did you find out about it?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: And what is it that you love about the Bible study fellowship that helps get you in the Word more often?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: I love BSF because um it's the same no matter where I move.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um BSF important is right global ministry.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and there's more than 400,000 um people studying the same material at the same time, all around the world.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so what I love about that is that we've moved I've done BSF in Louisiana, in Alabama, South Dakota, and Missouri.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I have friends who live in Montana and Germany and Korea and Japan, and they're we're all studying the same.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_01: That is pretty awesome.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: And that's awesome.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you and I are even studying the same material this year as we go through Acts and Letters of the Apostles.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I and so what I like about that is that allows me to thoughtfully study the Word of God with some of my best friends who don't live where I live.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: That is really cool.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love being able to hop on Foxer and share the new insight and the passage.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: And what did you think about this question?
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: And what was your group talking about?
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: How did they answer it?
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's been really fun.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's it.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's what makes, for me, that's what makes studying the Bible fun and not just something to check off my list.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: Is being able to engage in it in a thoughtful way, but also in a relevant way with my girlfriends, with my friends, with people who are in my life or living lives similar to mine on a military base, um, or to with my civilian friends, you know, like you and I are able to talk about the same material.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and so I I love that about BSF.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: I also love that it's um it's it's we study scripture by scripture.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's a non-denominational study.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, more than 70 churches in the local area are represented in our class of 700 women, uh almost 700 women.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so we study in small groups, but we uh come all together in um the Kansas City area.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so what I love about that is that um you're engaging with women who maybe don't look or look like me or have kids at the same ages, where in all walks of life it's multi-generational.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so what that does is that shows me that God's word is it tangibly shows me that God's word is relevant, it's alive and active.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so there isn't a single woman I know who couldn't walk in and do it.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um and it's it's geared for someone who's never studied studied the Bible and for someone who's studied the Bible every year for 50 years.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that's what's fantastic.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: The the questions and there for the conversation, you can just dive in wherever you at you are at spiritually, no matter your depth of Bible knowledge, because the questions are just there to see where you're at and your perspective and to gather the information that's right there in front of you and how you're interpreting it and what you see.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, even though I've grown up in the church and I've read these Bible stories, it feels like a hundred times, I'm looking at it with new eyes and in a new way because I'm also looking at it with a group of other people and hearing their unique perspective and their interpretation, or even how this applied to their own lives, which is really great.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, because I think that's where um that's where the word comes into our lives and intersects it and it it's we see that it's applicable to our lives, yes, um, and how we can live what we say we believe.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we I say I believe this, rubber meets the road when I live out of that belief.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's hard to say to live what you believe if you don't know what you believe.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so the first place to start is digging into God's word and saying, what is true?
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: What does he say?
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Who is God?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Who does he say he is?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Who does he say I am?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: What does he say he can do?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is our ultimate guidebook to set the tone for all the things that follow afterwards, not only for what we're talking about in wholehearted rhythms, but for the rest of the year.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: One of the fun things that we're going to dive into this year is actually this challenge I got from my sister to have 40 days of fun surrounding my birthday.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we talked about this in 2018, and all of 2019 I really chewed it over.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: What is fun?
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: What is fun for me?
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: Do I even need, do I even know how to have fun anymore?
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: What does fun look like?
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: How are my friends having fun?
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: Why do the things that used to be fun, why are they not fun anymore?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of all that different stuff.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things that I believe that I've had a revelation on in the whole process is that the things that have staying power, the rhythms that have staying power in my life have an element of fun to it where I've incorporated and figure out okay how not how can I make it fun but how is this fun and what is it that I do along with it that it becomes fun it becomes enjoyable soul satisfying and all the thing you know to be something this to be this thing that I look forward to because the more we look forward to it the more we're gonna do it so for me I have this unique morning routine and I I my word time is incorporated with that and have made it fun for me like I look forward to the fact that the Lord wakes me up anywhere from 4 a.m to 5 a.m and I get to get up and be with him and feast on the word and I know some of you are rolling your eyes and whatever.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have to use an alarm clock it's just the way I'm made it's been that way my whole life but with this caveat anytime a child woke me up and now my new puppy like that's a different story.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: The Lord's allowed to wake me up at the time but not my children or my puppy dog so I'm learning how to get used to that but otherwise I make it so fun and the Lord has helped has helped it become so fun.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: I really look forward to it.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: So what are just some things that you think would help the activity of getting in the word creating that time to get in the word more studying the word what would make it more fun for people I think always it when you have somebody to do it with you know even if it's if it's not an organized Bible study, if it's just accountability.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: When I lived in South Dakota there were three other gals and I who would meet every Friday morning and it started off as just coffee and then it became routine and then we realized we just needed we needed a space we needed to carve out a space in our day in our week where we could meet with someone else who who were like minded and talk about life and pray for each other and find a scripture or two for each of us in that time that evolved into we read a book together that pointed us back to the Bible.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I think so I think sometimes it's looking for what isn't fun about it to you right now.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like why why don't you do it?
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: Is it because you're lonely well then maybe that's a way to get to to find someone you're looking for connection and you're looking for accountability.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah maybe you don't do it because you're exhausted.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well then don't do it at six o'clock in the morning yeah do it at one o'clock when my girls are little I am not a morning person at all I am the one rolling my eyes when you're like wake up at four who are you I know um my husband jokes about calling me to wake me up when we were dating like he's like are you gonna get up to go to work?
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yes I am but leave me alone when I have to thank you I only need so much time in the morning.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I you know I beat myself up a lot as a young mom thinking man I really should be reading my Bible but I'm just tired.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: And if I'm reading my Bible at seven o'clock in the morning I'm gonna fall asleep.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so I started realizing that I had permission to pick a different time of day.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: I have a good girlfriend now who has a newborn and she's four kids in a newborn and and I've I know that she'll she will get into the word of God at like nine o'clock at night because that's when she can.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so I think one thing we need to do is give ourselves permission to find the right time the right space um and the right people to study with and maybe something as simple as you get up you read a few verses and then you go for a walk around your neighborhood and you think about that verse and you ask God to tell you what is that what is that for me today?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: Who are you because I've read this and who am I because I believe this.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah so I just think the key is figuring out how it's more fun for us and how it can be a rhythm that we really look forward to on a regular basis.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I love these ideas that you shared.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: I I think it's awesome and I love thinking about how we are studying the same words every day at a different time of day and being able to talk about it and share about it.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: I know that's been a real life giving element for me this year as I um have just incorporated kind of that new element of studying the word in that very formal you know format because I don't always do a Bible study.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's very you know just freestyle I'm just reading through the Bible or I'm reading a passage that the Lord leaves.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: So Bible study fellowship has been a really wonderful element.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Now going back to just as we finish up here I'm again really excited about people hopping onto your Instagram profile and seeing what you're writing about and posting about you've covered let's see we're gonna be on like day 15 by the time this episode um pops into our friends earbuds do you have any inkling about some of the just no elements that you think you might be sharing about for the rest of the month I think we're gonna talk about um saying no to our fears.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh yeah um and saying yes to brave um but also a a grace filled brave right because I think we have these ideas of what brave is um and we have we've put people who we've called brave on that definition right and so if she's brave I can't be you know and so I think we need to say no to not just our fears but these incomplete definitions um because because if we're gonna be wholehearted in our bravery that's that's different.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah awesome oh I can't wait to see it it's gonna be so good thanks Katie for popping on with me I hope we'll be hearing a lot more from you all of 2020 which can be a leave it's a big year it's gonna be a good one and we're gonna have a lot of fun.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well thanks for having me it's so fun.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: I always feel a little smarter after talking to Katie and I also feel ready to take on whatever task she has encouraged me about.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope you make the choice to overcome some of your objections or perceived limitations to make word one of your wholehearted rhythms in 2020 so you can have your best year yet.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'd also love to hear how you can make getting in the word more fun for you.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like what time of day do you read it?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: What's your reading plan?
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Do you play music or do you keep it quiet?
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: Or maybe you have a practice of opening up your Bible app when you're in the bathroom right because it's the only place you can have some peace.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: But whatever it is you do I hope you know the Lord delights in those who want to get closer to him and getting in the word will do just that.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: Next week we're gonna continue our conversation about wholehearted rhythms with worship and another favorite guest of the show, Sarah Hagerty.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure if you've heard yet but not only did they add another beautiful little girl to the family, yeah, for the grand total of seven kids, oh my goodness, you better believe we're gonna talk about that.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: But Sarah is also birthing a new book into the world.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Her new book Adore is now available for pre-order on Amazon and all the places but if you stay tuned I'll also be offering an amazing bonus if you happen to pre-order her book after next week's podcast.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope you've enjoyed this episode as you think about the year ahead.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: And it would mean the world to me to have you share this podcast with your girlfriends and leave a rating with a review so others know what to expect and that they are welcome to join this community.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: Also you can always email me or tag Simply Wholehearted on social media or send me a direct message if you try out one of these fun ways to get into the word.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: So until next week let's invite others to join us to pursue perspective, purpose and plans for a simply wholehearted life.