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aerosol. I'm an aerosol.
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Good evening, everyone, and happy Tuesday.
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Welcome to the Dog Tag Diva podcast.
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I'm your host, Dog Tag Diva. And with me tonight is my fellow
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military broadcast radio host with the Moses Amber Dietz.
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And Amber's podcast is called Into the Weeds.
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And tonight, we are going to be talking about a really
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interesting case that is still in the public mainstream of
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discussion, if you will. We're going to be talking about
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Gypsy Rose Blanchard this evening and her case and some
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inside scoop that you may not be aware of and kind of things that
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are surrounding this really interesting case from multiple
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perspectives. Welcome, Amber.
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Thank you for having me. Thank you very much for coming
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on. I'm always open to new and
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interesting things and being objective and hearing all sides
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of the story so that people can form their own opinions.
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But, you know, this case came to light about 10 years ago, and
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then it kind of came back into the mainstream as she was doing
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interviews from prison and then getting out of prison.
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And now she's out of prison and she's had a, you know, a very
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tumultuous, if you will, to put it lightly, time since she's got
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out of prison. But there's a lot of undertones
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of this story that I'm really interested in talking about with
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you tonight. OK, well, I'm here.
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Ask away. I don't know what you know about
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the case, so why don't we start with that?
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What do you know about it? Well, so I can remember this
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story in the news, probably it's, I think it's 10 years ago
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now. It's about 2015.
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This case came out and you know that the mom, Dede Blanchard,
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had been murdered by her daughter and the boyfriend and
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that Gypsy, the daughter had spent years thinking that she
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was quite ill and had all these medical issues from seizures and
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cancer and etcetera. There was a long list of medical
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issues that she had and they started out in Louisiana, if I'm
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remembering correctly. And then mom and dad got
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divorced and Dee Dee took Gypsy to Missouri.
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And there was, you know, donations involved.
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And who gave her the house was a Habitat for Humanity.
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They gave her the house. Yeah.
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So there was a house and wheelchair bound and surgeries
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and all kinds of things that come along with, you know, have
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having a child with, you know, multiple chronic illnesses and,
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you know, trips and clothes and toys and, you know, things that,
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you know, when you pull at someone's heartstrings, people
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want to to help. And one of the things that came
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out at the end of this upon the murder of Didi Blanchard was
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that Didi had actually lied about all the ailments that
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Gypsy had and she wasn't ill. And so, yeah, So it's and then,
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you know, kind of came out that, you know, the Gypsy was involved
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with the murder of her mom, with the boyfriend that she had met
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online. And Gypsy wound up going to
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prison herself for the murder. In addition to the then
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boyfriend who also went to prison.
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He is serving a life sentence. And she served.
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She was sentenced to 10, but I don't believe she did the full
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10. No 8 1/2.
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OK. And then she was released from
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prison in December of 2023. While she was in prison, she got
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married and got, you know, released in prison.
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Husband picks her up. And then they have this
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tumultuous, you know, continuation of their marriage
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outside of prison. And then she reconnects with an
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old boyfriend that she had dated while she was in prison.
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Or which I don't know how you could consider somebody your
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boyfriend when you're in prison and you you date, but you don't
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really date like that. I think we could do a whole
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another show on women who date men in prison.
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Pen pal romances in prison. Like the Menendez brothers are
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married. Like, wait, I know I show for
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another time. But yeah, she gets married in
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prison to this one individual and she reconnects with an old
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boyfriend. She leaves the husband, there's
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this divorce and then there's then she's pregnant with the new
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boyfriend. And but there's some weird law
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in Louisiana that whatever your name is at that time, even if
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you're divorced, the baby's still going to have that name.
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So it's a whole thing. Yes.
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OK. Well, that was a great rundown.
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So first of all, I would say, so today is actually Nicholas go to
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John her Co defendant's birthday, his 36th birthday.
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And I would like everybody to remember that Nicholas is on the
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spectrum and has autism. And for 2 1/2 years, he was
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manipulated and he tried very hard to get her not to go along
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with this plan. And there's a lot of evidence
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out there showing that he tried to get her to change her mind
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several times. But also, Gypsy is sick.
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She has a chromosome deletion disorder or something like that,
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and it affects a lot of your body.
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It has given her microcephaly, which is like a small head.
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Yes. And all kinds of things come
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along with this medical disorder, and you're a nurse, so
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do you know anything about that? Not her particular medical, like
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her chromosomal deletion, but I can say with some semblance of
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certainty that, you know, when we start, when chromosomes get,
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you know, messed up for whatever reason, either because we're
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exposed to something or because we're born with it and it's, you
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know, a birth defect. It depends on which chromosome
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is has the issue. And then there may or may not be
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small or big IT medical issues that will come along with that
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deletion. And there are so many syndromes
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out there. I mean, I've been a pediatric
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nurse, you know, most of my 28 year career as a nurse.
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And there are some syndromes out there that they don't even have
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a name for because there's so few people that have it.
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So, you know, is microcephaly one of those things that can
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impact, you know, that small head?
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Yes. And what happens when we have a
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small head? Well, that kind of restricts our
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brain's ability to grow to its normal potential and capacity.
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Yeah, so she has a wide range of symptoms.
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Her eyes are messed up, her digestive system is messed up,
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and so she is sick. She has been sick her whole
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life. She was born with it.
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So up until 2011, she went through multiple doctors and
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procedures to try and figure out what was wrong with her.
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And you as a nurse would know. And me as somebody who has been
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very ill my whole life, sometimes it takes a really long
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time to get into diagnosis and you have to go through all kinds
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of medical tests and all kinds of different things in order to
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diagnose, diagnose the patient. And so that's basically what was
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happening is that she was going through all of those medical
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tests to try and figure out what was wrong.
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And it wasn't until 2011 that they figured out what was wrong.
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And by 2011 they had pretty much quit going to the doctor as
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much. So by the time they, yeah, by
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2011, they're kind of backed off from going to the doctor.
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She's got a feeding tube and she only goes to like the emergency
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room to actually get it changed. And she doesn't like every six
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months or something like that. So there's, there's medical
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evidence showing that they, they backed way off from going to the
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doctor by 2011. So.
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Yeah, really interesting. I mean, I just from like my
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nurse brain has so many questions, you know, and I've
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been a nurse a long time. I've been a pediatric nurse a
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long time. I have been around child abusers
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a long time. I have been around, I believe 2
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moms who were one child and by proxy.
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And they are a little, you know, they're very good at you.
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And initially you'll think, wow, they're really on top of their
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game. They're very medically savvy and
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they're advocating. And then there's this other
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side, really OK, They like how much is too much and how, how
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involved is too involved, you know, and again, I as a
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pediatric nurse has been around chronically I'll children, it's
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a variety of syndromes and who've had tracheostomies and
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been on ventilators and had many multiple, you know, medical
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problems. There's, there's a, you know,
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you, I would be able to tell. Well, I, I would like to think
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I'd be able to tell with the little minimal exposure that
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I've had, you know, patients with parents like this, you
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know, there's a line between, you know, OK, they know a lot
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and they're savvy and OK, now they know too much and it's
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getting a little weird, you know, and over time my nursing
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Spidey sense has kind of developed and sometimes I could
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just even tell a parent is off just because like my instinct is
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like something is not right here.
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But it's, you know, she had AG tube and if she was getting fed
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through the tube, you know, why didn't she have home care?
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And maybe they declined that which which happens.
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We've had families that have like, no, we don't need it.
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We can handle it. This is super simple.
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You know, if you're, you know, hopping around from doctor to
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doctor, hospital to hospital, it does make it hard to track some
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of these things and it makes it hard to pick up on any kind of
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abuse and neglect situations. You know, 1000 by proxy in and
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of itself is, you know, it's so like the, the, like the
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percentage, like the incidence of that, it's really small.
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Actually, I wrote it down and there's actually so few cases
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here in the United States, like they can't even quantify it.
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They actually have to go use statistics from like Ireland and
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the United Kingdom and things like that nature.
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So it's really like .5 to 2.8 cases per 100,000 children.
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Correct and there. Actually was a physician here in
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Florida who estimate found 15 cases in the state of Florida in
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one year. And then so nationally that in
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his mind or her mind, I can't remember, it equates to 262
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cases in a year in the United States.
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So that was just one, you know, scientific researcher looking at
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one state and then kind of extrapolating well based on this
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incidence in the population and the ratio.
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This is kind of what we might see here in the United States.
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But the incidence isn't like it's not a lot.
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So it in, in a sense it would be hard to pick up on, you know,
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should you know, especially in this and you know, in this
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situation. Yeah, but in Munchausen by proxy
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cases, isn't it correct that the child is usually made sick?
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They yeah, so they are, you know, and again, there's going
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to be I'm, you know, as medicine, I always tell people
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there's always going to be like a one off from like we could say
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medically, statistically speaking, this is what we see.
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But I always make room for like, but there's always room for, you
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know, it it's a rare incidents or a rare case.
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So, you know, typically they make them sick when they're not
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sick. But do I think they're you know,
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it's possible that she was sick and she made her sicker.
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I that I believe. OK.
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Yeah. So from everything I have seen
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and OK, so as I was telling you earlier, most of Gypsy's medical
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records, especially her time here in Missouri have been
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released and pretty much everybody has a copy of them
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that wants them. And I can get you a copy of them
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if you want them. But what what is shown in the
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medical records is, is it's more of a malingering more than a, a
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Munchausen by proxy situation because Gypsy's not being made
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sick. And if you, if you really look
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at all of the documents between the medical documents and the
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court documents, you'll see that a lot of what has been put out
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there in the media by Gypsy and her team is all false.
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And so you can't really even go by any of the documentaries or
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the show or even Gypsy's book, because she has even stated that
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there are many inaccuracies in the book.
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And so it's really hard, even with Gypsy herself, to
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distinguish what's true and what's not.
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And I believe that in that case, she definitely suffered from
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abuse by her mom in teaching her how to be like that.
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You know, the lying, the manipulating, because
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ultimately, at the end of the day, it was, I believe, in my
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opinion, I believe Gypsy's mother had a sick child, was a
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single mother. And it got on that train of
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getting in with all of the foundations and charities and
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stuff like that and kind of rolled with it, in my opinion,
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and took advantage of the system and taught her daughter how to
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take advantage of the system. And from early on, Gypsy was on
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stage singing. She was an ambassador for
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foundations, you know, as a, as a role model for children, even
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when she was in her 20s. And these people didn't know
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that, you know, sitting in a wheelchair pretending to be a
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child that has mental deficiencies.
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And yeah, it, it, yeah. It was just one long con in my
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opinion. Yeah, no, I I kind of, I feel,
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feel you along along those lines.
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And you know, typically, you know, they hit a certain age and
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you can't do it anymore because they they can figure it out,
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right. So typically we see this in
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Munchausen and I proxy like in little ones because they don't
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know any different or better. And you would think that as they
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age, they kind of figure it out. So how much did her Gypsies
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chromosomal deletion and the microcephaly, like how much did
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that play into that? We're talk more about the Gypsy
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Row Blanchard case when we come back right after this break.
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I. And we're back and before the
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break, we were talking about how things unfolded in the Gypsy
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Rose Blanchard case and Amber and I were talking about how it
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was kind of 1 long con. And I, I definitely don't
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disagree with that, you know, and we know that, you know,
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sometimes you get kind of caught up in that, you know, the, the
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support and the, the people and how it kind of makes you feel,
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you know, and being in the limelight.
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And sometimes people just can't handle being out of it and they
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want to stay into it. And, you know, like you said,
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you know, we, we kind of snowball into manipulation and
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things and then it, you know, before you know it, it's out of
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control. I mean, we know that, you know,
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when baby Jessica fell into the well back in the 80s, those of
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us who were around remember that the gentleman who actually
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pulled her out of the well actually committed suicide
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because he, you know, after all the news vans and all the media
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attention went away. Like he just couldn't live
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without that spotlight and he actually committed suicide.
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So I don't. Yeah, I don't disagree that, you
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know, she kind of got caught up in all of that and kind of was
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like, OK, well, what do I need to do to keep this up?
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Because, you know, I kind of like all this attention and all
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the things that I'm that I'm getting.
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And the byproduct of that is that Gypsy kind of got caught up
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in it, you know, and I appreciate you bringing up the
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fact that, you know, Nicholas Godejean is on the on the
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spectrum as well, you know, so people are going to ask, you
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know, and one of the things that I've thought about is why did
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she, you know, kill her? You know, why didn't she just
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try to get out? You know, in my mind, as
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somebody who's a survivor of domestic violence, you don't
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know how to get out and you're just so afraid.
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Was that just kind of just she, that was the only way she
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thought to get out. And I'm not condoning it in any
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way, shape or form, but I almost, you know, it's almost a
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shame that that was that's what she felt.
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That was her only way to get away.
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Because I would have loved to have heard Dee Dee's side of the
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story and and how this whole situation kind of unfolded.
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Yeah. So I would say that in my
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opinion, after looking at all of the evidence and all of the
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court evidence, and I'll actually post it in here, a link
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to the court documents. There's a link in there to the
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Google Drive that anybody can access and go through all of the
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court documents that have been released so far.
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And we've got more coming out pretty soon.
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I actually just got an e-mail today from Greene County and
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they told me that it looks like my files are going to be coming
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in sooner than I thought. Oh, that's funny.
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Yeah. So there's going to be a huge
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document dump. And I am assuming that it's
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never been seen before because I when I requested all of this
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information, I thought all of this information was out, but it
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turned out it wasn't. So.
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So I was just kind of asking for it to kind of preserve it for
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historical purposes because I like history.
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And so it was more about that for me.
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But what I'll say is, is that I believe from everything I have
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seen, Gypsy Gypsy's mother, Dee Dee was extremely sick.
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She had diabetes, she had gout, she had Parkinson's.
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If we're to believe what Gypsy says, she was extremely heavy
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and you could tell the the last video that was released, she was
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extremely tired and she used that wheelchair, in my opinion,
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more as a Walker than as a prop, ended up being more like a
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Walker for her. So she was already, she was
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extremely sick. And in my opinion, if Gypsy
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wanted to do something that was painless, like she has said, you
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know, that she loved her mother and she wanted to do something
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that was painless, You know, she could have overdosed her on
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insulin or something like that instead of having her boyfriend
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stabbed her 17 times. And then also, there's ample
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evidence to show that Gypsy was online chronically just like she
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is now back then, and had communication with her dad and
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her stepmother and had communication with a lot of
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people and didn't ask for help except for Nicholas.
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Go to John, the guy who had autism who was easily
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manipulated. And so I believe that Gypsy
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wanted to leave, and I'm not sure what her motivation was
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other than to just get away and live her own life.
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But if you look at all of the court documents, the life that
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she describes living with Nicholas is very twisted and
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evil. And it's not even coming from
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Nicholas. It's coming from all from Gypsy.
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And she says some really terrible, vile things in these
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videos that the police had to watch and these posts and all of
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this communication back and forth.
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I mean, extremely vile things and, and it wasn't coming from
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Nicholas, it was all coming from her.
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So I don't, I don't know what was going on in the woman's
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head, but she was a woman. She wasn't a girl.
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She was 23 years old and. Yeah, You got to wonder, you
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know, what her life was like up to that point.
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You know, and I'm, and I'm not judging.
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I'm, you know, I'm really truly trying to be objective and
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think, you know, if I was somebody who kind of found out
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or realized at one point that maybe I'm not really as sick as
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I'm being made to believe. But she wasn't really exposed
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to, from the, at least from the outside, exposed to a lot of
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normalcy in terms of like just getting up, going to school,
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like she was with her mom all the time.
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So that relationship was clearly a little dysfunctional.
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So if she doesn't really have any semblance of what a normal
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relationship is and then she's seeing she's, you know,
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basically exposed to, you know, like this the like the Disney
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and all that kind of stuff and the comic cons and things.
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But then she's online and she's seeing things.
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So I'm sure her in her mind, her reality is very different than
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what all of us experiences. We just going about our
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day-to-day lives in her behavior, and I don't think it
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was right in any way, shape or form.
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You know, I just kind of wonder, you know, from a psychological
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standpoint, I find this case fascinating because we never got
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to hear from Deedee, who clearly had some issues of her own
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physically and psychologically. And then she has this child
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who's got, you know, a chronic medical issue that kind of gets
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compounded. And then, you know, like, so how
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much does, you know, the chromosomal deletion and the
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microcephaly and everything else medically wrong with her?
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How does that all play into this?
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And, you know, she never saw, you know, doesn't really
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remember her parents much. And so, like, she doesn't have
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examples of healthy relationships.
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So she was almost kind of set up to fail in a sense.
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So, you know, am I surprised that this is kind of what she
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kind of turned into? Not necessarily because we've
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seen people exposed to less and be worse.
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And, you know, like, you know, and there's a a documentary on
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Charles Manson. I can't even watch it.
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Like, I've gotten through like a couple episodes and I'm like,
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OK, I'm having nightmares. I have to stop.
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Yeah. The chaos.
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One I'm I'm stop watching it. It was freaking me out.
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I had to stop, but you know, so we know that if you don't come
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from, you know, and but do I know of people who came from,
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you know, horrible child abuse situations and are completely
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fine and and functional? Absolutely.
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So, you know, it's out there. Like the possibility of of
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normalcy is out there. But you know, do I think she
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should have gone to prison? Absolutely.
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Do I think, you know, again, I wasn't in the courtroom and
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didn't hear all the evidence. So I don't want to pass judgment
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and say that the punishment was, you know, too harsh or too
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little. Because again, if I'm not in the
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courtroom and hearing all the evidence, I find it hard to kind
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of really have a strong opinion in One Direction or the other.
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Well, she didn't go to trial. She got a a plea deal.
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He went to trial, right? What I will say is as I
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encourage anybody who actually has questions like that about
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this whole case to go to that Google Drive, look at the
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pictures, read the court documents, read the police
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reports and judge for yourself. Don't, don't take the
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documentaries, don't take her book, don't take any of that
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into account. Just read, just read the court
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documents and you will be shocked.
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You will be absolutely shocked. And so much to the point that in
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one of the videos that the one of the detectives watches, Gypsy
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talks about, I think it's either a video or it's a, a text
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message something. She talks to Nicholas about how
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at the age of 6, she had a surgery and she had a major
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seizure during that surgery and she became like a a paraplegic.
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And according to her, she pretended.
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Not to have. Feeling and things like that.
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Even to her mom. She was pretending even to her
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mom, like she was playing up the symptoms and and all of that
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stuff. So even in the court documents,
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she talks about how at. The age of.
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Six, She made a conscious decision to lie to her mother
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and everybody else because she was afraid that her mother
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wouldn't love her and the other people wouldn't love her.
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And so it's just interesting. I mean, that's just one, one of
31:55
the things that came out, you know, is like, OK, do we believe
31:59
Gypsy that that's what she did, you know?
32:02
Because it came from. Her own words or, you know,
32:05
whatever. So this case is just extremely
32:09
fascinating when you dig into it.
32:11
Yeah, I mean clearly they. Were codependent on each other
32:14
and you know, so that's in and of itself.
32:18
You know, again, I wish she would have just walked away.
32:22
I mean, she was an adult. She could have just walked away
32:26
'cause I, you know, I think I would definitely would have
32:28
liked to have heard Dee Dee side, you know, the good, the
32:33
bad and the ugly. And then, you know, they could
32:37
have either said, Hey, we're, we can never be around each other
32:39
again, or they could have worked it out.
32:41
You know, I do, you know, I'm will full on admit that I do
32:45
watch, you know, that her life out of prison.
32:48
I watched, you know, that the TV shows Gypsy Rose Blanchard.
32:51
And do I agree with all the horrible, nasty things that
32:56
people are saying about her on social media?
32:59
Absolutely not 'cause I don't think that's right or fair to
33:01
trash her. When when again, we don't know
33:03
the whole story, especially if you haven't seen all the
33:06
information that's out there and, you know, made it, you
33:09
know, an educated decision. So I do think it's horrible.
33:12
Some of the things that people are saying I do on that note.
33:18
So I have a rebuttal to that because unfortunately I have
33:23
become immersed in the Gypsy verse basically of what it is,
33:30
and I don't pay near as much attention as most other people
33:35
do. But there's a lot of really bad
33:40
toxic stuff going on in the Gypsy verse.
33:45
And what I mean by that is, is that there's like a whole
33:49
discord. The Gypsy and her best friend
33:52
are involved in that run, and they dox creators and they dox
33:58
subscribers. Literally they're doxing people.
34:03
Is that the friend that's been that's?
34:04
Been on the dock in the show at the That's Bree.
34:07
Bree. Yeah, that's her name.
34:08
Yep. Yeah, I'm, I saw that one
34:11
episode of Mike. If you were really her friend,
34:14
why are you enabling her? Oh, it's.
34:18
It's really bad. The woman will be on a live for
34:21
16 hours straight defending Gypsy constantly.
34:27
And then she's got all of these side characters.
34:30
There's this old woman named Dreamer Craft Corner that is
34:35
absolutely ridiculous. She's a racist, she's a bigot.
34:40
She's just an absolutely horrible human being.
34:44
And there's just all of these side characters that are
34:47
involved with Gypsy in this Discord and on TikTok that are
34:52
actually making people's lives miserable.
34:55
They've got pictures of people's homes.
34:58
They've got the names of people's kids.
35:01
All kinds of stuff. It's really bad and I am
35:10
extremely disappointed in the fact that.
35:13
So when I heard about Gypsy and I heard that she was in prison
35:17
with my cousin my. Cousin and I initially.
35:21
Started praying for her. That's how we initially end of
35:26
the situation, yeah. Yes, I started praying.
35:29
For her, we were concerned about, you know, was she being
35:32
taken care of, You know, was she being abused again, you know,
35:38
because people will go into the system and repeatedly get
35:41
abused. And so we were extremely
35:44
concerned about that. So my cousin started asking
35:47
questions, you know, and we didn't really get much before
35:52
she went out, before she got out of prison, but like 2 days
35:55
before she got out of prison, she said that she wanted to go
35:59
see Taylor Swift. And it.
36:03
Wasn't a oh I want to go see Taylor Swift.
36:06
No, it was AI want to go meet Taylor Swift.
36:10
And in my mind that was just repeating the same thing over
36:16
and over. You know, she was she was
36:18
meeting the cast of Harry Potter.
36:20
She was meeting Miranda Lambert and all of these famous people,
36:24
and she was up on stage singing and.
36:29
Now she just wants. To continue that, but on a
36:33
larger scale. Yeah, I I find it you.
36:37
Know this whole, like you said, this whole thing is fascinating.
36:40
And you know, if it were me, and again, I'm kind of an, A well
36:45
adjusted, relatively well adjusted adult that you know,
36:51
you didn't, you know, you married this guy when you were
36:54
in prison. You got out, you moving
36:55
together. You it's not what you thought it
36:57
was going to be. Well, well, no shit.
36:58
Like you married him in prison and you're living together and
37:01
you've never lived with a man. So of course there's going to be
37:03
bumps in the road and you changed your mind.
37:05
OK, fine. But then the back and forth the
37:08
two of them have and then she has the baby.
37:11
Like can you drive 3 1/2 hours to the hospital to sign this
37:14
consent form? And like what?
37:17
First of all, block him. Let your loyal lawyers deal with
37:20
the shit and be done with it. Like I just the, you know, like
37:25
you said, like she wants to be have like 1 toe in the pools for
37:30
the the pool of drama. Like she never wants to like get
37:34
herself out of it completely. And like the father and the
37:38
stepmother like just don't engage and she does it anyway.
37:42
The father says, Hey, Ken's back in your life, just use
37:45
protection and she gets knocked up right away.
37:47
It's like, Oh my God, like give yourself a chance to just be out
37:53
and be single and like you, you know, you have like a life of
37:59
neglect and abuse and trauma and then you go to prison.
38:02
Like you're coming out like you should be hide.
38:05
Like not that you should be hiding, but just live your life.
38:09
Do like I want to like who's her therapist?
38:11
Oh my God, I just want to ask like, what did they he or she
38:14
doing? Well, and that's the thing.
38:16
When she was in prison, she swears up and down that she
38:19
couldn't get therapy because she was too healthy for therapy.
38:24
But my cousin's in there. She's in a whole wing where it's
38:29
called women's empowerment, you know, and they focus on
38:33
codependency and they focus on, you know, being a better person.
38:39
And Gypsy only took the one class that she was supposed to
38:43
take, the victim's impact class. And she basically spent her time
38:51
causing chaos and watching TV while she was in prison, not
38:55
bettering herself, you know, And she was setting up her life to
39:00
come out and be an influencer. You know, there was no.
39:07
Gypsy has never taken the time to figure out who Gypsy is and
39:15
work on all of her issues. It's always about codependency.
39:21
And just like with this baby, I mean, she was, she was stealing
39:25
baby clothes and, and naming babies when she was with
39:30
Nicholas, you know, and planning on getting pregnant.
39:33
That was her plan a was to get pregnant by Nicholas.
39:38
And that's how she would escape her mother.
39:41
And then when she was with Ryan, she was trying to get pregnant
39:45
and she was buying baby clothes, you know, and then as soon as
39:48
she gets with her, with Ken, she gets pregnant, you know, 'cause
39:52
they said, you know, they were with each other 12 times in four
39:55
days, you know, so. I mean, and the sister.
40:01
Bless her, it like you know who's just graduated, became a
40:04
nurse. Like she initially thinks she's
40:07
pregnant with Ryan. The sister takes her to the drug
40:09
store to get Plan B like you. So you knew where you could have
40:13
gone. You could have bought condoms,
40:15
you could have gone on birth control.
40:17
Like that would have made the most sense, right?
40:19
Like just I'm going to go on birth control because I'm going
40:22
to be having sex and I need to focus on me and learning who I
40:26
am without my mother, without the abuse and trauma, not in
40:30
prison. Like figure out who you are and
40:33
heal and then do you could still live your life and get the
40:39
tattoos and dye your hair, but figure out who you are and stand
40:43
on your own 2 feet. And it it does seem, you know,
40:47
she's got a bit of her mother in her because, you know, as we
40:50
kind of alluded to, like the mom got caught up in all the
40:53
attention and the foundations and the stuff.
40:56
And then now it seems like she, Gypsy is just kind of wanting to
41:00
keep continue that because if it were me, I want to step back
41:03
from the limelight and get out of the way.
41:06
And you know, even, you know, she had that book signing and
41:10
they had to have security all over the place because people
41:12
were threatening her and things and, you know, they were
41:15
threatening her. So I even watched.
41:18
OK, so at. That book signing?
41:25
OK, Sir Morbidex is a YouTube and I follow him and he's funny.
41:31
He's more of like a Howard Stern kind of shock jock type guy.
41:36
He's, he's really funny, you know, And so he set up that,
41:41
that whole protest basically, and what it was, was just a
41:46
couple of people outside. One woman went inside and, and
41:51
bought a ticket and she wanted to actually, you know, get in
41:55
line and talk to Gypsy or whatever.
41:56
That was just one woman. But the rest of them, they're
42:00
only like 3 or 4 of them that were actually outside.
42:04
And they just had signs saying Justice for DD.
42:07
And it was a live stream. The whole thing was live stream.
42:10
So if anybody wants to go check it out, it's on Sir Morbinex.
42:15
And that was just, it was, it was made to be something bigger
42:19
than it was. And even that YouTube that drove
42:21
past her house. Yeah, well, Gypsy wasn't home
42:25
when that actually happened. And she wasn't calling out
42:30
Gypsy. She was calling out Gypsy
42:31
Stepmother. So.
42:37
They they twist the whole, they twist everything.
42:40
You know, that's just how it's expected to be, but you know it.
42:46
She brings most of all of this stuff on herself.
42:50
And if she would just have gotten out of prison, gone and
42:54
lived her life quietly, worked on herself.
42:59
People. Would have given her the benefit
43:01
of the doubt, but because she has come out and.
43:06
Tried to. Literally destroy lives online.
43:13
You know, I I can't stand behind her.
43:16
I can't. I can't give her the benefit of
43:18
the doubt anymore. And it's unfortunate, but I
43:22
can't. Yeah, I mean.
43:25
It's I do think that, you know, the back and forth between her
43:29
and Ryan I thought was way too much like and and that's on him
43:33
too. I mean, the the two of them
43:35
again have this codependent relationship and he's like, oh,
43:38
I still miss her and I still love her.
43:40
I'm like, dude, get a grip like a grown ass man, get a grip.
43:44
Go to work. It will be OK like but she's.
43:48
Sending him pictures of her and her baby and she was swearing
43:53
online this whole time that he wasn't doing it, or I mean that
43:58
she wasn't doing it and that he was reaching out to her.
44:02
But then all of this evidence comes out that she was actually
44:05
reaching out to him and sending him pictures of her and her
44:09
baby. I mean, that's so messed up.
44:12
I know it's and. A lot of twisted things going
44:15
on. I'm like Oh my God, that baby
44:19
and the. Timeline, OK.
44:20
So usually when you're pregnant, you get your first sonogram
44:26
around your 4th month usually because that's when you can
44:30
start telling, you know, if it's a boy or a girl.
44:33
And I don't know how it is nowadays, but at least when I
44:37
had my kids 20 years ago, that's how it was, you know, so by.
44:43
June 5th. Gypsy.
44:46
Had already. Sent a picture of the sonogram
44:51
to the prison. And I found out that she.
44:55
Was pregnant, but in her book she says that she found out she
45:00
was pregnant on June 10th, which is her the day that her mother
45:06
died. Well, actually her mother died
45:08
June 9th, but she says June 10th.
45:11
And so if she found out on June 10th, but I found out on June
45:18
5th that she had already had a sonogram, did.
45:23
She find out she was. Pregnant with a sonogram,
45:26
because that's just weird. So I'm thinking about the
45:30
timeline. You know what I mean?
45:32
Yeah, I mean. I will tell you now that
45:35
nowadays you can have, you know, an ultrasound, you know,
45:39
earlier, especially if you miss a period, you know, maybe you're
45:43
having some spotting, maybe there's some concerns.
45:46
So they can do them earlier, but that's just to give you a
45:49
guesstimate of how far along you are.
45:51
And they're, you know, you know, are you, do we see a sack?
45:54
Do we see things progressing? You know, do they do anatomy
45:57
scan about 16 to 20 weeks based on, you know, your pregnancy,
46:01
are you high risk or not? But yeah, I mean, that timeline
46:07
was, you know, I always, you know, as a medical person, I,
46:11
that's the thing that I always go to is the timeline.
46:16
You know, I do kind of feel as though she and Ken should have
46:20
known better and should have used protection.
46:22
Like it just came out of prison. You're just reconnecting.
46:26
Get just buy some frigging condoms at the, you know, at the
46:29
local, you know, drugstore and like protect yourself like
46:34
you've been out of prison not even a year.
46:36
Like this was not the time for that to happen.
46:39
Things will come in time, but just get again, give yourself
46:42
that chance for healing and to live your life and figure you
46:46
out and not throw more drama into it.
46:49
And you wouldn't have this Ryan last name drama with the baby.
46:56
It's like, watch that episode of Teen Mom.
46:58
Like dear God. Yeah, no, it it's gotten.
47:04
So the first season was extremely boring and I
47:07
completely checked out of it. And then the second season has
47:11
gotten better, but it's only because they're actually
47:15
starting to expose her manipulation more.
47:18
And so it's like, oh, OK, I can, I can see where you're going
47:21
with that. But unfortunately they didn't do
47:24
enough. So you know it is what it is.
47:29
Father and stepmother are well-intentioned individuals.
47:34
I just want to ask why does he always have his headphones on?
47:38
Like why can't you take them off for a couple of minutes?
47:42
So the. Stepmom is not well-intentioned.
47:46
She is just as active online, participating in the gossip and
47:52
the toxicity online. The dad, he's just kind of go
47:57
with the flow out on the boat, you know, kind of mentality.
48:04
So yeah, unfortunately the stepmother is immersed in all
48:07
the drama as well. Super interesting.
48:13
Case it is. So what?
48:17
It where do you want to see things go or what do you think?
48:22
They should. What direction?
48:23
Do you think they should be heading?
48:26
So I. Mean ideally.
48:36
She's not going to go back to. Prison unless she messes up
48:39
within the next few days, I mean because she gets off of parole I
48:43
think June 15th or something like that, so.
48:50
Ideally what I would like. To see is is.
48:53
I would like to see her. Go off and live.
48:57
Her life and be productive offline find get involved in her
49:04
community and you know make a life for that baby that is out
49:15
of the spotlight. I mean, she swore that she would
49:17
never put her baby online, but the baby's online chronically
49:21
now. So it's like, what the heck,
49:24
You're just you're. Doing exactly.
49:27
What you accused your mother of doing, exploiting you.
49:31
Yeah, I don't. Follow her on social media.
49:34
So, but I, I would have to agree, like I wish that she
49:37
would just kind of just take a step back out of social media,
49:40
get you, you know, get offline, tell, you know, Bree and you
49:45
know, anybody else. And same thing with Ryan.
49:48
Like he should back off too and stay away.
49:50
Like just stay everybody, go to your corners and live your quiet
49:54
lives and just take care of that baby 'cause like that's my big
49:58
concern. You know, especially as a, a
50:00
pediatric nurse who's seen a lot of child abuse and neglect.
50:03
And I've seen a lot of kids die and parents do horrible,
50:06
horrible things to their children.
50:07
And I would like Gypsy to take care of herself and find herself
50:13
so that she can be the best mom that she can be for for Aurora
50:19
and, you know, so that Aurora doesn't, you know, suffer and
50:23
get caught in in the crossfire, you know, and can you know, I
50:28
something's not right. Like I can't put my finger on
50:33
it, but I just well, is tingling with him.
50:37
I'm like, I don't know what's going on here.
50:39
Like, I don't think he's like bad, but I don't think he's
50:42
good. Like there's something off.
50:44
Well, first he wrote a prisoner. And then fell in love with her.
50:49
And not just any ordinary prisoner, but a prisoner who
50:53
murdered her mother and manipulated somebody into doing
50:57
it. And she looked.
51:00
Like she was, you know, 14 years old and a shaved head and all
51:06
that stuff. So it's kind of weird, you know,
51:10
that him and Ryan would write her.
51:12
So yes, he is definitely weird on that front.
51:16
I believe that Ken is the only person who's not afraid of her
51:23
in her life, honestly, 'cause he's the only one that stands up
51:27
to her. But I don't think that they love
51:32
each other. I don't think they even like
51:33
each other half the time. That's just apparent from the
51:38
show, the way they interact. It's just not ideal at all.
51:45
Yeah, and I can't like. I don't want to say he's on the
51:48
spectrum, but he's close to it in my opinion.
51:53
Oh, you're the they. People just started asking that
51:57
question recently. Is he like I?
52:01
I'm like he's. But he's he's got a job, like
52:04
he's very obviously, he's got a decent car.
52:06
He drives like he seems like you said, like he seems like he's
52:10
kind of together, like he's not a hot mess.
52:13
Yeah, he's a foodie. He even attempted to beef
52:16
Wellington, which is. He's what?
52:22
But again, I'm. Like I can't.
52:24
And then you have Ryan, bless his little soul, who's just
52:29
falling apart from this, and another one who's just, he
52:33
probably, you know, the codependency is just the whole
52:36
thing. You know, want.
52:39
To do a. Psychological.
52:40
Study and codependency. Just look at Ryan and Gypsy.
52:45
Yes, yes. Exactly.
52:47
And I mean, it's it's textbook totally.
52:50
And with Ken, though, I think he I think he has some anger issues
52:55
because in the last episode or the episode before that, he was
53:01
even yelling at his mom, you know, and it's like you're going
53:05
to yell at your mom on national TV.
53:07
That's kind of weird, you know, So, and he wasn't even like he
53:13
was just saying, you know, I don't care about these people,
53:16
you know, and they're going to make up everything.
53:19
But you know, the way he was speaking to his mom was not OK.
53:24
So when when you're comfortable speaking to your mom like that
53:29
on camera, what are you doing when the cameras are off, right?
53:36
So do you think as someone who's watched the documentary and
53:42
you've watched the TV show and you've also got inside
53:45
information as as someone who is from that area and has seen, you
53:50
know, additional documents that a lot of people probably haven't
53:53
seen, Like what do you do? How accurate is the portrayal of
53:57
her on the TV show versus what you think is her true
54:02
personality? So.
54:08
I think you kind of really do see her true personality shine
54:13
through because she if you listen to the things she says
54:19
and watch the things she does, you know her, her true
54:22
personality does shine through. But as far as like the overall
54:27
media portrayal of Gypsy, it is absolutely inaccurate.
54:33
It it is so far inaccurate. It's it's sad and it's kind, you
54:41
know, especially the fact that there is an autistic man in
54:45
prison for life without parole. You.
54:50
Know he. Deserves to be there, you know,
54:54
but at the same time. Like you brought up Manson.
55:00
Earlier, Manson manipulated people into murdering people.
55:07
That's essentially what Gypsy did.
55:10
She manipulated A vulnerable person to commit murder, and
55:18
Manson manipulated vulnerable people to commit murder.
55:29
Yeah, I you know. I do have to wonder and think
55:35
about, you know, some of the things that you know, as I was,
55:38
you know, as I'm watching the show and I'm going, I don't know
55:41
if I would have done that. Like just you're out of.
55:45
Prison. You know, there's a lot of
55:47
negativity about you in the press and on social media.
55:53
And is this how we should be handling this?
55:57
Like, I question, you know, a lot of the things that she does
56:01
and some of those things being the breeze response and
56:04
reactions to things. And I'm defending and listen, I
56:07
get it. Like I have a couple besties
56:08
that I would probably die for, but I'm not sure that that's the
56:13
way to go about join it. And like you said, I just wish
56:16
she would maybe get off of social media and just go live
56:23
your life quietly and. Just be exist.
56:28
And take care of you and your daughter and you know it's.
56:32
Almost like. She needs to be in a
56:35
relationship because she does not know how to take care of
56:38
herself and she needs to be cared for.
56:40
And that's why she married Ryan and knowing that she would come
56:45
out of prison and someone would take care of her and then
56:47
realize, OK, this isn't the right guy.
56:49
We're not really Jelly and living together and I'm going to
56:52
go with this guy, but I really want a baby.
56:54
So I'll have a baby and then I could take care of the baby.
56:57
But again, who's going to be taking care of her and the baby
57:01
is still the question. And she needs to figure out how
57:03
to take care of her Dang self. Yeah, well, I mean if.
57:06
You even watch the show, so I watch it with other people
57:10
'cause they stream it on TikTok on Mondays.
57:14
Conspiracy. Go check out Conspiracy.
57:18
She's the one that does that. And yeah, So what you notice is,
57:24
is that she's got signs all over the house telling her what to do
57:29
or telling Ken what to do. And it's like signs that are
57:35
like really weird, like after three minutes burp or whatever,
57:39
I can't remember everything but it, it's just like a normal
57:44
person wouldn't do that. Maybe they would make a
57:47
checklist or something like that but not put up signs all over
57:51
the house to remind them about. What to do?
57:56
With the baby. It's very odd.
58:02
So he does not know how to take care of herself, let alone her
58:06
baby. Yeah, I I think that you.
58:08
Know that would be you know what I would hope for that she learns
58:12
how to focus to take care of that baby and do right by that
58:15
baby because you are in the public eye and it won't take but
58:19
that quick somebody makes a phone call.
58:21
Do you know Department of Child Services?
58:23
And they have been and they have.
58:26
Been and that's. The that's the sad thing too is,
58:30
is that when it comes to Gypsy, people will call her parole
58:35
officer or they'll call DCF to the point now where if something
58:41
really does happen, are they going to take it seriously,
58:45
right? And.
58:47
So I wish people would be more responsible, more adults when
58:55
they're dealing with this situation and try to see it from
59:00
a logical standpoint, but unfortunately emotions get way
59:05
crazy when it comes to stuff like this, right?
59:08
Well, Gypsy, if you're listening, we will, you know,
59:11
pray for you and your baby and that you have good health and in
59:16
your future endeavors. And thank you again, Amber, for
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coming on tonight and having a very interesting discussion
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about this case that I'm sure we're going to be continue to be
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discussing for many months to come.
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Oh yes. Thanks for coming.
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On and for the dog tag Diva, I'm here to remind you to greet each
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each day with purpose, passion and tenacity and be kind to each
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other. Thank you.
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