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Talks to Si Hart about his choice of The Macra Terror (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  With a blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcasts in
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  nothing to madly crave. This time.
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  No sigh. I'm gonna Shatter your Illusions
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  right now. Oh, do something, unexpected.
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  What what are you gonna do? I have a question for you.
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  What? Yes, messing with the formula.
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  What's going on? I'm going to turn this into the
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  dock to equivalent of Mastermind, right?
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  Okay, my question is this, Where do you think the macra ranked
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  amongst the giant monsters of Doctor?
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  Who now I'm including Kroll. The Scaris an the giant spiders
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  are meta Pelias free, the giant maggots, all of them we're
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  doing. Wow.
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  In terms of a problem, I love Chrome.
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  Do you know what? I really loved roll.
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  I love the way that his tentacles just appear over the
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  split-screen ago, to loves trying a giant monster, doesn't
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  it? I think maybe the giant spiders
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  are the most. Well, realized of them in like
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  this. Something about the spiders with
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  their female voices and things like that, that I think work and
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  that image of the spider on the back is a really great Doctor
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  Who We image the giant. Maggots are really well done as
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  well but they don't do much other than hiss and and jump up
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  a bit. So and this is the problem when
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  you've got a giant creature that they do much the macro don't
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  talk so you don't have any idea of what they're like as a
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  species they're just all just that one person.
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  He's got. Who is that talking then?
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  Well, I'm guessing that's the the macra but it's again really
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  explain. You don't really have a dialogue
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  that person. Oh and it's not like anyone has
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  a dialogue with the macro to find out what their evil plans
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  are is just it just happened so fast.
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  They're just a giant monster to scare the children more than
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  anything. I think is that enough?
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  Sometimes that is just enough and like I think it's only
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  because Doctor Who fans and go back and watch these a million
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  times that you actually even start asking these questions.
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  Yeah, if this was 1967 that's just the monster of the week and
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  this week is a giant crab and that's amazing.
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  And then this week it's monsters with no faces and that's amazing
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  as the new series done. Join creatures beyond the
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  arachnids and on the macra, Oh, and the macro, yes, I can't
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  think. I'm not sure they.
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  My, I'm just honest, I haven't done anything along the lines of
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  planet of giants because they could pull that do that.
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  So, well now could really. Yeah, I can't think that they
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  have just the spiders in our actors, in the UK and the ones
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  in Kill the Moon. Yeah, and the giant time.
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  Beetle that sits on Donna's back.
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  Oh yeah that was terrible when it is red for.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Considering how well the spider look.
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  How good the spider looked on on this layden's back compared to
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  that all those years later you can talk something about that
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  big, isn't it? Whether spider leaps on her back
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  and it kind of jotters and she jumps?
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  Yes. That it comes to the direction,
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  doesn't it? Does.
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  I don't think you get that with with Donna.
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  You don't see that that bit. So I mean I think her
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  performance when she's in that Circle of mirrors.
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  Is she renders? Yeah you rely on.
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  She goes to show you though. She's yes vicious.
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  Whereas here I think we're left with Anika Wills trying to sell
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  the fact that this giant taxi cab of a monster.
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  Is is, yeah, because the problem with it is, it's big, but it's
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  also immovable. So it doesn't move very well
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  from what we can tell from from the bits that exists.
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  So that doesn't help. I think that the director was
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  quite smart in that he uses the Shadows.
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  Quite a lot. Yes, shadows and dry ice to
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  hide. Height B boys.
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  Much better. A very lumbering.
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  Someone should have given the note to the director of the
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  protons and told him the same thing.
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  Yes, mmm directions Point. Yeah, it's like the mechanoids
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  that the studios are so small that you can't get a monster.
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  This big into the studio, very easily and do anything with it.
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  I think the mechanoids, amazing know what a piece.
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  They look brilliant. Yeah, but though I'm only, it's
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  The B on film at the end in the big fight that look.
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  Look best on a complete side note.
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  I promise you people we will be going into marketer episode 4 in
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  the second although they're so little happening in episode 4
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  this might be the most interesting thing.
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  You hear all commentary. Have you ever watched those
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  Terry Nation Army documentaries on more?
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  Yeah, those are brilliant. I love those.
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  I watch one on the mechanoids. I would like the the level
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  detail. Yeah, it's a research.
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  That's what doctor who finds do. They, if you'd like John to
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  something that's yours, you go into it in detail in the fact
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  that they can identify, which garlic is relations my by where
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  there's a bolt that's sticking out somewhere on all the cases
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  or a scratch on on the paintwork.
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  There was one right where they managed to trace a Dalek from
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  the chase all the way through its appearances until
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  remembrance of the Daleks that's that's amazing.
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  I'd love that kind of thing but some people say that's a waste
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  of a life. But if it's not no no, that's
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  just adding to the sum total of human knowledge and that's what
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  we want. And that's what Dr. Who fans do
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  they love piecing together. All the like we said before, all
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  the bits of the puzzle. So you might focus on a
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  particular bit that you're really interested in like why
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  Jon pertwee's got this particular jacket on in this
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  story or was Graham Williams choosing, Which jacket the
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  doctor War for which Tori and things like that.
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  You see another series or another franchise that is as
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  well documented and as well, kind of reviews as dr.
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  Hey, I don't think anywhere any other series gets anything like
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  this. Compared to Star Trek there's so
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  much that I don't know about Star Trek.
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  I don't know how they made the 60s show.
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  I don't know how The decision-making went on in the
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  in the 90s and things like that. I'm sure this is something you
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  and Nathan talked about, ya know, there is information out
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  there. There's some books out there but
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  not the wealth of knowledge that there is no.
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  So who was documented? Yeah, so but I could tell you,
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  this was recorded at Riverside Studios.
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  This was directed by John Davis, John Davis, directed many things
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  for the BBC and ITV. Pizza Jeffrey was in all the ICC
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  shows of the 60s and all of that because you find that out as a
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  decimal reason why you and I can do a commentary on this story
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  and it ain't just watching the story is though because we have
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  information that's around because we've both grown up with
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  that being discovered so we've been on that Journey with all
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  the people making the discoveries II.
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  Think when I started reading Doctor Who magazine it, Was
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  issue 44, which was the very first monthly issue.
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  So that was the very start of longer articles about the making
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  of Doctor Who for the first time.
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  So you get these little hints sort of behind the scenes of
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  season 18 and things like that. And so always say Doctor Who
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  magazine grew up with me because I really did because I've
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  started at age five and and onwards and seeing it through
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  all the sort of various ways that it's found out more about
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  the show and if it, they used to be, they used to do the Doctor
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  Who archives in the early days where you just get the synopsis
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  of the story and then it moved to a synopsis of the story with
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  one page, on the making of the story one page.
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  And then suddenly you moved to these huge features that A tiny
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  synopsis where pages and pages of how they actually did did it
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  and they then got access to the people with the
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  behind-the-scenes paperwork. So suddenly you've got this
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  extra level of information and then you've interviewed all the
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  people involved in incredible detail.
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  So you've got that extra extra bit so you find out all these
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  things sort of over the years and piece it together and that's
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  why like I was listening to an interview on Galactic yo-yo.
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  The other day of One of these people that's doing like the
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  reactions videos to Classics Doctor Who and she was able to
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  watch like on brick box, the entirety of Doctor Who like
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  binge watching, you know, and record these videos.
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  But it was kind of disposable information that that went in
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  and they went out, she did a video and then moved on and I
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  think because of how fandom of our age discovered, a lot of
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  this. Reg the house time is Walker's,
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  books. Read the target, novels listen
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  to the soundtracks, discovered, the Telly, snaps all of this.
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  We've got this knowledge ingrained in our heads.
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  Yeah that we can talk about Doctor Who for two hours and
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  then we'll talk about what's on the screen.
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  Yeah and a bit young people today they have no idea but I do
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  think I do think there is Something more substantive, and
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  I'm not saying it's a less worthwhile experience just
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  bingeing here, but there's something more substantive about
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  discovering it, piecemeal, putting it all together.
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  You know, as a kind of library of information in your head
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  rather than just treating it as something disposable that you
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  can just sort of watch one thing after another, you know.
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  Yeah. And yeah, putting together the
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  story of dr. Who has been the Journey of my
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  life more than anything else? I'm really kind of the joy of
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  hamster, is it's been finding all these like-minded people
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  that have done the same thing because you need to have this
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  knowledge to do this. Yeah.
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  Yeah, because you can't talk about a story just by, well, you
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  can just do it by what's on screen, but having that extra
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  background, knowledge makes It an extra special, listen because
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  and again, because I think, because every person who does
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  one of these is coming at it with slightly, different
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  knowledge and slightly different levels, of might learn a ton of
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  stuff. Yeah, I have from listening to
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  being and I've learned things that I've forgotten same breath.
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  You get all the personal stories as well and what certain stories
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  performances? Yes.
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  Actors that people have met and that adds even more.
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  More context. So yeah, exactly.
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  Because we yeah, we've all experienced Doctor Who in the
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  same way, but differently, if you see what I mean, it's we've
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  all Sort of piece together. The story of Doctor Who in a
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  through the target books through the VHS is through the DVDs,
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  through the documentaries through reading dwm, but not
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  everyone has done it. The same not everyone has done.
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  All those steps in a particular order.
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  So, so, some people are now coming back to the target books,
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  where they hadn't read them as a child and having that experience
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  of that. But for me, that was the big way
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  of finding out What those of the stories were and piecing
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  together the plots and and things like that half the Joy
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  about having like repeat guests back because, you know, like
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  I've got a library of repeat guests now on this thing is
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  unlocking each person's personal Journey.
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  You know. Not.
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  Yes, no worries. But actually, how did you
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  discover this show? Is it part of your life as a
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  whole, what stories means? Something to you, you know, and
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  it's not that everyone is talking about, always the Or
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  he's that mean something to them, but they're always stories
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  that they've got something our connection to that.
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  They want to talk about a tale of Youth.
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  You might start exactly. Well, okay, now we're being a
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  little bit self-indulgent now, I'll guess.
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  Wow, that was super interesting because that's the other Joy of
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  this is that you go up from these Matt engines where you
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  actually end up saying something, vaguely, profound,
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  you know. Yes.
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  All you watch the Aztecs and we do fuck all.
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  Mexico people from Peru, don't know, that's the one, one day
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  people will hear that and they'll understand.
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  Let's let's all let's watch episode 4 of the crab people of
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  unnamed Planet. Okay, I'm there count.
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  Is it okay, in five, four, three, two, one, go Joey blood,
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  irritates me that brick Spock's puts season, 4 episode 30.
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  It's the macra to report ball. I'll see you.
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  There you go. You dig a bit of detail right?
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  Well done. Mmm.
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  So I what's your just that nothing to match, whatever.
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  What is your? I was born story.
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  I am the closest episode that was broadcast to where I was
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  born, is the terror of the zygons part 10.
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  What I think I'm sort of in the season gap between revenge of
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  the Cybermen and Terror of the zygons, but I'm actually a bit
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  closer to tear of the Zionist state are like, on.
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  Sure. Yeah.
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  I'm wedged firmly between so deed and Pongal.
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  That doesn't surprise me at school and I'll tell you now.
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  So did was a lot more fun. Just wanted to take control the
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  time. Honestly, like he did have an
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  entire Army. Sorry.
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  Back to the macro Sarah. Look at look, I mean, okay,
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  they've made the mackerel, look, genuinely terrifying there.
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  Let us And again, you get, this is a nice shot with the people
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  moving in the, in the windows, that wasn't the original would
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  it? No, but that's, that's just
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  nicely done. So essentially, now this has
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  become this episode is going to be calm resting control back
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  from Ben who's already kind of us.
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  Yeah, but also diverting the gas away from the macra, So they
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  yell and exposing the macra to the people of the colony or at
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  least the control, the pilot, always get the pilot and the
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  controller mixed up, who's looking over the controller's,
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  the fellow on the screen and he, that's right.
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  Yeah. And the pilot is Peter, Jeffrey.
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  Do we know who that actor is? I'm?
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  Well, the I don't know who the, the picture is of, but the older
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  man is, I'm Graham Lehman who does lots of Doctor Who's and he
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  always does sitting down parts. And what else has he done?
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  Is in Fury from the deep. Okay, he is one of the elderly
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  time Lords in the three doctors. Okay.
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  So he's the one sat down at the control panel in the three.
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  Doctors told do this role as long as I'm sitting down.
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  Yes. Fair enough.
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  I don't know whether he was, was a disabled actor or what he may,
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  well have been, but he always had sitting down roles Yeah, we
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  got that. The doctor being 30th yet
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  turning wheels and causing Mischief.
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  Mmm, This is a great outing for trial and they really is.
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  I know, I said that over and over again, it gets loads to do
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  and Oh, look at this. Here is that after all three
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  times four is, he does a. Some doesn't he?
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  Yes, confuse him. And that's what he does.
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  Does really well of. He's very good at sort of
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  baffling people, and appearing, to be silly and stupid, but
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  underneath, he's absolutely hugely intelligent hugely in
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  charge. I love the scenes in the seeds
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  of death where he's like doing his comedy running around the Is
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  Alex. There are a lot of our but at
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  the end it's like oh I've just tipped your Fleet into the some
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  yes bro. But people don't really talk
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  about his darker side. Do that he's silly.
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  No, because he's all what it's like Hartnell being classified
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  as the grumpy cantankerous doctor troughton's.
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  The comedic funny one, but actually he's, he's very
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  Sinister. I mean you watch him in the
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  Moonbase doing that speech about.
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  I'm there are some corners of the universe.
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  And he says he says there, they must be fought to the death and
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  it's funny. They when that was quoted sort
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  of through the 80s and 90s, they always missed off the last bit
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  of that. And it was always they must be
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  fought but I never included the to the death bit and his doctor
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  really lives by that because he's killing everyone on is an
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  you mentioned hard, all their being grumpy and yet my memory
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  of heart. No, it's just B's, giggling
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  Charming like Hey, he's you know, I must have fallen asleep.
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  I'm so sorry we must never let this happen again.
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  What you're insinuating? I thought I can't look after
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  myself. Yeah, exactly.
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  It's very, very interesting. Very interesting.
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  Can't possibly blame me for all this.
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  My fault. I'm fulfilling around.
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  Hey, mister, what can you do this?
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  People keep giving me guns and I do wish.
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  They wouldn't. He's actually he's not he has
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  moments of that, but his characterization is far more
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  detailed than it was a and this is what we did.
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  As young fans, you pick on one characteristic and that's that
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  doctor? Yes.
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  Yeah. Where is she?
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  As I've gotten older, I started to realize just how passive
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  aggressive Pete Davidson's doctor can be.
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  Oh yeah. Oh absolutely.
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  And he's got a wicked line in very, very dark humor.
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  As well, was it? I've only just put it out.
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  Well, jolly good. Now you can take it down again,
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  down again. Well, that bit in the visitation
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  where she says I worked though might have left a forwarding
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  address and he goes, will you like real Island, you know?
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  Yeah. I think what we're saying is
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  that, there's a lot more nuanced in these performances than a
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  one-line thing. And exactly.
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  Yeah. Yes to is a cosmic funny hobo.
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  No, he's not. And he's not to either.
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  So that's not his great assassinator of the universe.
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  Yes, Does he kill anyone in the space pirates?
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  I don't know, I never remember what no one knows.
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  No one cares. Well I'm not yeah.
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  I actually once you get past part to the space pirates is
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  perfectly fine. Those first two episodes are
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  very dragged out but actually the best of it moves along
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  fairly quickly and fairly well, sigh.
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  We are going to be too late again.
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  What's that Ian? This is V 41.
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  He's so funny. I've noticed we're not talking
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  about the makris error again. We're not because they're just
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  walking around tunnels in the dark.
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  Yeah, they really. It really has leveled out to be
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  very traditional now, has less it has from, from a really
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  interesting and different beginning.
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  My you said sir that subversive. Yes, it's playing with stuff.
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  The show doesn't normally there is a very funny scene on it.
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  Is actually in the real. Story of a shop for a window of
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  all the crabs Atkins. Yes, I love that.
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  And I think once got a microphone, that's the one
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  that's true. They'll never suspect.
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  It sounds you know, I'm sorry. How does a sentient racer crabs?
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  Come to be. Gasps.
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  Oh, this is good. I don't know.
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  Suppose Evolution happens different ways or different
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  planets, may be, that kind of thing.
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  If Pippin, Jane Baker can turn vegetable sentient, then gas can
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  turn crabs. Exactly.
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  Yeah, I would like to have seen all this footage of Jamie
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  running around, you know, it was very hot.
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  Yes, I've been it would have been interesting.
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  But I think this is one of the episodes where there isn't any
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  existing footage at all. Oh, really what?
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  And you know what? There's a lot of things about
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  dialogue as well so you will be assessed on the direction quite
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  a bit. I'll my God here's my see.
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  If we go of Dear Old Barney with one of his lovely dances.
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  Everyone up the sun is out. Hey side, that's very good.
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  He's so jolly. Look at him.
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  He is, I would want to work for that man.
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  You know he's, yeah, he's he's got a way of inspiring his
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  dances, he's going to get so I want something gay and cheerful
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  but absolutely. It's always pretty gay and
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  cheerful when you're around on how we must be good.
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  And we must obey, This is really and I really liked the fact that
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  he uses the dogs to get out of the room.
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  You know. Yeah, that's clever.
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  Clever and quick thinking from Jamie, well, I did the same
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  thing at the end of the storage happens.
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  We actually in the animation. See, how did you get here?
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  It's very, it's a very theatrical performer.
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  Yes, and it's very American is very American and so, and I
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  noticed this with the, with the official voice of the
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  controller. It's very, it's an American
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  accent. Like, I don't know whether
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  that's sort of a layer that they're sort of a adding sort
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  of, in performance to sort of add to the falsehood of the
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  American Amen. And all of that as well.
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  Maybe maybe I, you know, because Jamie was introduced, right?
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  And I think he was supposed to be, he was introduced because,
• 24:28
  you know, he was quite hot, you know.
• 24:30
  Yeah, I remember there was a letter in Doctor Who magazine
• 24:34
  there's someone wrote to the production team saying that all
• 24:36
  the kids in the class for that Jamie was like you know are
• 24:41
  interactive and that's why I think there's there's something
• 24:45
  to kind of highlight in him here, you know, dollars yet out.
• 24:48
  ow, and And being a bit farmed I'll Trust older to come along
• 24:53
  and spoil, everyone's raw bloody rah.
• 25:01
  That's most Shoppers a door swing.
• 25:02
  That's all that was was nicely done.
• 25:04
  Now went to a party was right? Sorry.
• 25:06
  I said those yeah, those girls are wearing.
• 25:08
  Hmm. It's a bit like going on.
• 25:11
  I'll go out there pretty quick if I'm honest I don't blame you.
• 25:15
  No guns or anything but it's just giving him away.
• 25:19
  So he's he's not entirely good at this point.
• 25:22
  Yeah. Big close-up on Michael craze.
• 25:27
  Yeah. I don't know but he's struggling
• 25:30
  like he's struggling against it. Now that's a short.
• 25:34
  They wouldn't have done you staying.
• 25:38
  That's just a show. It's very like the the shot in
• 25:41
  end of the world, isn't it? It is.
• 25:42
  Yeah. I was just thinking about just
• 25:44
  needs a big fan at the end. Yeah.
• 25:46
  Or the scenes in the bowels of the ship in Voyage of the Damned
• 25:50
  you know that yes it is a style. It's very like the film
• 25:54
  Forbidden Planet that has a spaceship that looks very much
• 25:57
  like that. So I wonder if their homage in
• 25:58
  that on the God. Let this the window.
• 26:01
  Yep, here we go. Go crabs at their work look.
• 26:04
  Yeah, I'm always willing to perhaps, do back like this,
• 26:07
  though. I wouldn't have thought.
• 26:09
  So I don't think they were that many macra.
• 26:12
  Now, what we got there? One, two, three, four, five, one
• 26:15
  scuttling into the room. Yeah, it is.
• 26:18
  I think the implication from this scene, is that the macro
• 26:21
  here is voicing. Yeah, it's going on on the
• 26:26
  screen with the controller, isn't it?
• 26:28
  So, And he's got an awfully clipped voice.
• 26:32
  Yes. Yeah, I think come on now.
• 26:38
  They've literally just spell out.
• 26:39
  The gas is what? I think we figured this out of
• 26:42
  this case. Yeah.
• 26:46
  So what's the moral of the story?
• 26:48
  Don't get hooked on gas. Like, I'm not sure you're all
• 26:52
  wet. Yeah, don't go to Holiday camps.
• 26:58
  Wow, that's a very good moral. Yeah, if you've been to one of
• 27:01
  her pet, yeah, telling you pontoons Get annoyed, some, get
• 27:11
  a nice B&B somewhere instead, you know, yeah, you'd be much
• 27:14
  better off. Okay.
• 27:19
  Doctor we've got to bring the pilot here.
• 27:21
  Okay? Yeah okay it's probably talking
• 27:24
  sense. How can we prove it show them?
• 27:29
  Yeah, it was actually going. I can't deny it.
• 27:36
  So do we have a question from frasor for this episode?
• 27:39
  Oh my God. There is hang on.
• 27:41
  Yes. I'd forgotten all about him and
• 27:43
  that's, you know, oh my goodness.
• 27:45
  All right Frasier happens. So rarely.
• 27:47
  Okay, this release was slated by a section of fandom for cutting
• 27:51
  the Rough and Tumble machine sequence which was too complex
• 27:55
  too complex. Is this a fair criticism?
• 27:59
  Should the animators have tried harder?
• 28:03
  I think we on Staten part one, didn't we?
• 28:05
  We did sorry. Frasier.
• 28:08
  Yep, we did that. What I said they should have
• 28:11
  done the wheel in space? No, you should have spent the
• 28:15
  money on this. Hmm. but, you know, I'm still
• 28:20
  thankful anyone who's listening from the animators, I'm still
• 28:23
  thankful. Thank you very much.
• 28:25
  Hold it bends and Schultz. I know we've already says yeah
• 28:27
  it's a short repeating myself. This is say, is this an example
• 28:37
  of an episode for the has completely run out of steam?
• 28:43
  I do Wonder it's it's you know what I mean?
• 28:49
  Okay, I'm going through this thing.
• 28:51
  I'm coming to not macro. I mean Doctor Who in general
• 28:55
  Classic series Doctor Who is that?
• 28:58
  These stories generally start very strong and generally end
• 29:03
  very weak and there are exceptions but that is usually
• 29:07
  the rule Yeah, you look at the amount of stories that finish
• 29:11
  with a everything blowing up. Because that's the only way they
• 29:17
  can can finish it off. Oh, there are.
• 29:19
  There are so many examples. You can you can tell her that,
• 29:23
  can you think of a sorry, we're going to go need to talk about
• 29:26
  something else other than my crochet because not much going
• 29:28
  on. Can you think of an example of
• 29:30
  an episode or a final episode from each doctor?
• 29:35
  Classic series that pays off the story?
• 29:39
  Whoo. Whoo.
• 29:42
  That's a very good one. Okay, I'm going to say, yes, I
• 29:48
  probably can so go far, I don't know if it's child, they make
• 29:54
  fire and they escape by making fire, which is the one thing the
• 29:58
  tribe can't do and they have formed an effective team
• 30:02
  together. And I always think those cavemen
• 30:04
  episodes deserve more love than they get for what they do.
• 30:08
  I was going to say the Romans because I think, well, because
• 30:11
  that's just beautifully plotted that and Applause, come together
• 30:14
  really beautifully. Beautifully and it just climaxes
• 30:16
  with the doctor being responsible for the great fire
• 30:20
  of Rome technically. Okay, trow them Fountain, now
• 30:26
  quite often they escaped from the base Under Siege.
• 30:29
  So that finishes the story, Whoo, I mean, I'll say The
• 30:37
  Darlings so even though this, yeah, yeah, War Games is a good,
• 30:42
  good choice, power of the Daleks hair of the Daleks builds, a
• 30:45
  bill to built and finishes brilliantly.
• 30:48
  Yes. Oh, okay, Pertwee Carnival of
• 30:53
  monsters are brilliant. Yeah, it's just is so
• 30:57
  beautifully plotted and yet comes to a perfect end.
• 31:02
  Tom Baker, see, I think early, Tom Baker, though.
• 31:05
  The episode Force really struggle.
• 31:07
  I'd say Genesis ends really well.
• 31:10
  Yep. To say.
• 31:14
  Full circle. Oh, yeah, because that's nicely
• 31:18
  plotted where everything sort of comes together.
• 31:21
  So you've got enough hints and they do actually make the
• 31:25
  decision to fly the Starliner off at the end.
• 31:29
  And I do, I love the Cliffhanger as well.
• 31:31
  It's like we're stuck in the space-time Continuum.
• 31:34
  Yes. All right, dejectedly to the
• 31:37
  camera. Davison Andrews Army.
• 31:42
  And there are many songs. Do you know, Frontier else is
• 31:46
  the smell. Yeah, but a lot of amends with
• 31:48
  massacres. Yep, by Colin Baker. oh, All
• 31:57
  right, some ways vervoids. Yeah, she knows very much
• 32:03
  because it's all nicely set up. Yeah, the vine easy.
• 32:06
  Mmm. And yeah, they're plants.
• 32:09
  So it's spring summer autumn ever?
• 32:12
  Yeah. Okay.
• 32:13
  The voids and McCoy fenric. Vendrick is good.
• 32:18
  I'm remembrance is really nicely done, but, you know, as I was
• 32:23
  going through those doctors, I was thinking about Farm or where
• 32:26
  I was going. No, no, it's not that one yet.
• 32:31
  Yeah, so we can't lay this blame entirely on Mac, whatever them.
• 32:35
  No, it's not. It's not alone in that, but in
• 32:39
  the same breath is still, well, acted.
• 32:40
  It's still pretty well directed. I think, from what you can tell
• 32:43
  ya, And again. I want to talk about it because
• 32:51
  it's, it's such a great premise for a story and such a great
• 32:56
  setting for a story, and the fact that it becomes a generic
• 33:00
  Doctor Who story. That's not a, that's not
• 33:03
  actually a big problem. Really?
• 33:05
  Because I like generic Doctor Who stories.
• 33:09
  I mean, I know you don't like it, but I absolutely fucking a
• 33:11
  door planet of the Daleks, so they don't get more generic than
• 33:14
  that. Exactly.
• 33:15
  And that's that is, Possibly the most generic don't do story
• 33:21
  there is because it does everything you wanted to do and
• 33:24
  it does it incredibly competently and go up the
• 33:27
  biggest ventilation that you do on a lot of hot air escaped
• 33:35
  capture, there's a bomb. Yeah there's everything in that
• 33:39
  story so much looks like it is bent right over that pole.
• 33:45
  There, Annie okay, what's occurring now?
• 33:52
  Oh, there's just told us how long we've got to go for
• 33:54
  minutes. Yep, here comes some gas.
• 33:57
  It's coming in there. Oh my God.
• 34:07
  They're all in trouble. But can someone outside?
• 34:09
  Save them? Oh, I wonder who that could
• 34:12
  possibly be the world. Who's the one person it's me?
• 34:18
  Doc. Is it me?
• 34:20
  Doc could be media. Doesn't doesn't been going a
• 34:23
  minute when the back was go. No, don't do it, because it just
• 34:34
  didn't happen again after this for a long, long time?
• 34:37
  No. Every single companion is I'll
• 34:40
  pay for the rest of the show, even ice.
• 34:45
  Who's supposed to be a fucking Cockney?
• 34:47
  Yep. That's like your tea goes like
• 34:51
  yeah. There we go.
• 34:52
  He's back to normal now. Oh that's all up to been to save
• 34:58
  the day and make amends here, economical wheels and Michael
• 35:02
  phrase. Felt a bit put out so much of
• 35:05
  their stuff was was junked what I would I know Dipper.
• 35:10
  What leg always said she was really upset that Herrera was
• 35:14
  so, so missing. She lives to see anyway.
• 35:19
  The world and web of fear. Yes, she was.
• 35:21
  Yes, she was yeah, she was still alive in 2013.
• 35:25
  I was going to mention that earlier actually, because
• 35:28
  interestingly now I know enemy. The world's reputation kind of
• 35:32
  shot up when it came. Yes.
• 35:34
  And Weber fears reputation, even maintained or possibly went
• 35:38
  down, just a little bit. Because they weren't missing
• 35:43
  anymore. I don't have that kind of Sheen
• 35:46
  about them though. They're just, they're just
• 35:49
  stories that you had watch. This would be.
• 35:52
  I think that would be exactly the same.
• 35:54
  For fact, any other story that came back?
• 35:57
  If we'd got the whole lot back as was rumored in 2013, it would
• 36:02
  just be another comedy. Yeah, exactly.
• 36:05
  Well, we all love that. Didn't we were all swept along
• 36:08
  with it all the EM stories were coming back.
• 36:11
  Marco Hello. The mythmakers and the macro
• 36:13
  Terra were all coming back. God's sakes.
• 36:17
  Those are those threads on Gallifrey base.
• 36:20
  They do they need to find something to talk about and I.
• 36:22
  Yeah, oh, look, There Was An Almighty explosion as.
• 36:25
  I mean, although it was her work backwards.
• 36:28
  Macro finished off know, they probably make a lovely paella.
• 36:31
  Now, lovely seafood salad, and everyone's they're all gay and
• 36:40
  cheerful. Now, Oh, I do like the bit where
• 36:43
  it's like, all they want to make you the new?
• 36:46
  Yeah, I think one of the things I love about the trout in years
• 36:50
  that they do all the way through that he always disappears before
• 36:54
  he has to say goodbye and runs off.
• 36:57
  That's why Fury from the Deep Impact.
• 36:59
  Isn't it because? Yeah because he never does that
• 37:02
  is she sticking around? So they stay and have dinner and
• 37:05
  Sierra off properly so really? Yeah, that's really quite
• 37:08
  affecting. Yeah.
• 37:09
  It's like when David Tennant's doctor.
• 37:14
  His first doctor, if we could get more supposed to free
• 37:19
  doctors really since down for Christmas dinner at the end of
• 37:22
  the Christmas Invasion, because that his previous Incarnation
• 37:26
  didn't do that. And it's a marketing, the
• 37:29
  growing and What is it? Says my mom's getting dinner
• 37:33
  real good. Put it on simmer, awesome.
• 37:39
  Yes we pan and pan. And that was a really fun and
• 37:45
  dance dance. Yeah, you know.
• 37:51
  Okay, sorry. Rod.
• 37:54
  You know what we've got to do now I do so I'm going to tell
• 37:58
  you you just start doing it. You won right?
• 38:00
  You were so right. Okay so I am going.
• 38:04
  I'm going to say I G. This setting is good.
• 38:12
  The setting is a really great idea.
• 38:15
  The idea of the colony Like a Holiday Camp is a great thing
• 38:19
  for Doctor Who that works really nicely.
• 38:21
  Okay. I am going to say as much as
• 38:24
  I've ripped it a bit, this is the first instant that I can
• 38:31
  recall. No, the web Planet.
• 38:34
  I just think, I just think taking a normal creature and
• 38:39
  blowing it up to a giant size. Sighs is a really fun thing.
• 38:43
  For dogs who to do and we've clever use of Shadows and things
• 38:47
  like that. I'm sure there were some pretty
• 38:49
  tense moments from this. Yeah.
• 38:52
  Okay, I'm going to st. Michael craze.
• 38:54
  Oh, because he, he's doing really good.
• 38:56
  Good stuff. He's got lots to do.
• 38:59
  He's fought about how to make possessed been different to
• 39:02
  normal been, but there's still enough of been in in both to
• 39:07
  make it so work. I think he's really good here
• 39:10
  and he's He never gets enough kudos for what he does.
• 39:13
  So I really like him. I'm gonna say the
• 39:18
  characterization of the second doctor, which lightly coheres in
• 39:22
  this story and I think this is the blueprint going forward now.
• 39:26
  Yes, route and responds to it brilliantly.
• 39:29
  This is his most assured performance at this point in the
• 39:33
  season. Yep.
• 39:35
  And so my last one is I'm going to go with the jingles because
• 39:41
  to just get in your heads like or like all jingle should I
• 39:45
  think that sets this above-normal doctor who we don't
• 39:50
  often get music in the story that's actually playing in the
• 39:54
  story and I think that's, that's really nice.
• 39:58
  And mine kind of is wrapped up with your one.
• 40:00
  There is, I'm going to say it's that me.
• 40:04
  Mix of the very jolly and the Very Sinister.
• 40:08
  And I think that's a hard mix to pull off but in episode 1 of
• 40:11
  this story, it does it really, really well.
• 40:15
  And I always loved it and it doesn't happen very often where
• 40:18
  the doctor own Co I like on holiday, you know, like bit like
• 40:22
  Black Orchid, episode one or something like that.
• 40:24
  And you know this shit's gonna hit the fan, you know,
• 40:26
  something's going to go wrong but the intention to sort of go
• 40:29
  somewhere and relax and they actually get back 10 minutes
• 40:32
  worth of it before things start going wrong.
• 40:34
  Yes, I got lots of lovely scenes of Anika wheels and all.
• 40:38
  This is super which is always a good thing.
• 40:41
  And just as I could as small extra the, like we said in
• 40:46
  episode one, all of those six, these influences, the the oh,
• 40:50
  yes. Yeah, it's very much of the
• 40:52
  time. Yeah.
• 40:55
  And doctor, who hasn't really captured back sort of 60s
• 40:59
  obsession, with that much. There's a few in the Indian
• 41:03
  Street blacks. Other stories by apart from That
• 41:05
  it shied away from it, something that they did a lot in the
• 41:07
  Avengers and things like that the Avengers, and the Prisoner
• 41:10
  and all of that very much tied up with those kind of
• 41:12
  sensibilities. But you don't often get it in
• 41:14
  Doctor Who. So whilst this my devolve into a
• 41:18
  bit of a runaround it does have some interest.
• 41:23
  It's a fun premise. Yes there is there is wow there
• 41:28
  we go. I where we going next?
• 41:31
  I was asking. We're always going back to the
• 41:34
  second. We keep getting knocked to the
• 41:36
  Noosa. I think we should go back to
• 41:39
  manisa next time. I think so.
• 41:41
  Yes, because I have lots to talk about in that one.
• 41:44
  I've got to say. I think snake dance potentially
• 41:51
  has the strongest guest cast of Any classic Doctor Who story and
• 41:58
  one of the strongest Guest characters Carl step and it's
• 42:05
  one of the best realized planets.
• 42:08
  Certainly just? Yeah, again, it's it's a planet.
• 42:14
  Like we said here, you can't imagine how this actually came
• 42:16
  to be, but you can see how Medusa came to be because, see
• 42:20
  how that Civilization has grown and grown up, like it is for me.
• 42:24
  Its needles, feels like a story that would have been a part of
• 42:27
  Christopher. Christopher H, bid, Meads.
• 42:29
  Davison Doctor Who? Yes had it continued at some
• 42:32
  very good thing and very, very good thing.
• 42:35
  Well then let's just say, until next time I'm still next time.
• 42:40
  Joe