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Mac & Bone Show - Brentson Buckner Interview · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Our next guest has a podcast, but we got to
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  Speaker 1: give him a little bit of love here. Feels better
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  Speaker 1: when Buck's involved around here, doesn't it? The man is
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  Speaker 1: the host of the Buck Naked Truth podcast. What a
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  Speaker 1: name that is. Brinson Buckner, former Panther and Clemson great,
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  Speaker 1: joins us on the Mac and Bone show. Buck, how
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  Speaker 1: you feeling, man?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing good. Thank y'all for having me.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Buck.
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  Speaker 3: Congrats on the podcast, Buck.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, Mac.
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  Speaker 3: What's it entail, Buck? A lot of sports, life? What's
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  Speaker 3: the Buck Naked Truth about?
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  Speaker 2: We're right there where entertainment and sports collide. So we
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  Speaker 2: talk about sports, we talk about entertainment, life in general,
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  Speaker 2: and just go inside and outside of what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Me and No Limit Larry partnered together with it and
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  Speaker 2: just trying to bring the funny side of sports and
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  Speaker 2: entertainment out.
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  Speaker 1: Buck, we used to work. You know this. You were
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  Speaker 1: over there with us. We worked in the same building
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  Speaker 1: for a while with No Limit Larry. And I always
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  Speaker 1: thought he was the only dude in the building louder
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  Speaker 1: than me, Buck. I mean, this dude. You think I scream, No.
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  Speaker 3: Limit Larry, scream louder than me. The elevator rides with
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  Speaker 3: both of them, I lost hearing for all of 2013, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: He was kind of like, I always thought he was
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  Speaker 1: kind of like the black version of me, Buck. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: I kind of thought that. Y'all both need a governor
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  Speaker 2: on y'all voice. Governor. Oh, God.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Put that restricted plate on my mouth. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk. Let's start you off with the Panthers, Buck.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to go Clemson, but let's ease into
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  Speaker 1: it for you.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Let's ease into that stuff. Let's start with the Panthers.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think of this matchup with the Bears?
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  Speaker 1: What are a couple of things you think we need
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  Speaker 1: to watch that will determine who wins this game?
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  Speaker 2: I think you need to be able to watch, can
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  Speaker 2: the Panthers get after the quarterback? We know Williams is
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  Speaker 2: a very talented guy and probably one of the best
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  Speaker 2: off-palette throwers in the league where he can create with
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  Speaker 2: his feet, but can the Carolina Panthers hunt him? Can
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  Speaker 2: they not let him scramble around and make these miraculous
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  Speaker 2: throws that keep Chicago in the game or swing momentum?
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  Speaker 2: toward Chicago. And then, can Carolina run the ball? Can
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  Speaker 2: this offensive line get together after a preseason where many
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  Speaker 2: of them was hurt or didn't play? Can they come
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  Speaker 2: together and can they control the line of scrimmage and
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  Speaker 2: run the ball and make Bryce comfortable in the pocket?
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  Speaker 2: Because I don't think Carolina right now is built to
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  Speaker 2: just sit back in the pocket and say, we got
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  Speaker 2: to throw the ball all over the yard. Even though
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  Speaker 2: I think they got some young, good wide receivers like
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  Speaker 2: I think T-Mac is an ascending player. I think Bryce
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  Speaker 2: Young works better when he has a running game. You
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  Speaker 2: can play action pass. You can keep him off balance.
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  Speaker 3: How big, especially in this matchup, and he's not been
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  Speaker 3: here for long, but the Panthers on Bobby Okereke, how
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  Speaker 3: big will that be in this matchup because of how
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  Speaker 3: much the Bears like to utilize that tight end spot?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's going to be a big– it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a big– Plus, if he can come out there
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  Speaker 2: and he can play, has he got caught up? Is
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  Speaker 2: him and Devin Lillard on the same page? And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you add a player, but you add them late,
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  Speaker 2: you worry about the chemistry right now. Do you worry about,
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  Speaker 2: do they got their language down? Do they got that
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  Speaker 2: little look? Do they understand one another? Like you saw
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  Speaker 2: Thomas and Akikli do, or Dan Morgan and Will Witherspoon,
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  Speaker 2: guys who have played together. you know, is it going
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  Speaker 2: to take one or two more weeks for them to jail?
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  Speaker 2: But anytime you've got a tight end that can stretch
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the field, you want to have a
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  Speaker 2: linebacker in there that can disrupt that. And we know
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  Speaker 2: he can, but has he caught up with the system yet?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a legit question. I'll say this, though, Buck,
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  Speaker 1: you saw it last year. Devin Lloyd and a recently
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  Speaker 1: arriving Okereke is such an upgrade, though, over last year, right?
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  Speaker 1: What we had there in the middle.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, with Devin Lloyd, you've gotten so much bigger and
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  Speaker 2: so much athletic. I was in Jacksonville when we drafted
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  Speaker 2: Devin Lloyd, so I know what Devin Lloyd is capable of,
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  Speaker 2: and he's grown tremendously as a player, as a leader.
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  Speaker 2: His skills now are starting to come about because when
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  Speaker 2: he left Utah, he was a position as a player
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  Speaker 2: because he did so many things at Utah. When we
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  Speaker 2: got him to Jacksonville, we were just like, hey, you're
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  Speaker 2: a middle linebacker, let's concentrate here. And you've seen all
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  Speaker 2: the work and the effort and the growth he has
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  Speaker 2: as a player. And that spot right now has become
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  Speaker 2: a strength, I think, for the Carolina Panthers. And not
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  Speaker 2: to take enough from them guys last year, they did
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  Speaker 2: the best they could do, but their best just wasn't
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  Speaker 2: good enough to get the Panthers. where they wanted to go.
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  Speaker 2: But I think right now, with those two guys in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of your defense, you feel comfortable entering the season.
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  Speaker 3: But when you were watching practice in person and watching
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  Speaker 3: the games, did any other young defensive players stand out
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  Speaker 3: to you outside of, we know the obvious star players,
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  Speaker 3: but did any young players, you think, man, I really
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  Speaker 3: like what blank player can be going forward?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sitting there and I'm watching the guy, because
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  Speaker 2: I like pass rush. I was watching Prince Lee, and
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  Speaker 2: I was saying, this guy's going to develop into a player.
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  Speaker 2: There's a little bit of maturity that has to go
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  Speaker 2: on in that position when you start to understand what
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  Speaker 2: you're going to see as a pass rusher and have
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  Speaker 2: a pass rush plan in mind to attack those different blockers.
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  Speaker 2: And I just saw something in him that he could
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  Speaker 2: be one of those spark-type players where he might not
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  Speaker 2: be an every-down outside linebacker right now, But I think
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  Speaker 2: he has the size to grow that. But he could
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  Speaker 2: be one of those guys that come off the bench,
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  Speaker 2: and you're looking at a five- to six-sack guy that's
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  Speaker 2: coming off the bench, and that's good because he's probably
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  Speaker 2: going to be your third outside linebacker because he's not
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  Speaker 2: going to play on rundown. And then I told you
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  Speaker 2: all before, I like the Hunter kid coming out of
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  Speaker 2: Texas Tech. You know, for me, it's kind of funny
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  Speaker 2: because most defensive linemen play better when they're playing on
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  Speaker 2: the edges, when they can play on the– on the
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  Speaker 2: shoulder of a guard. He does his best work when
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  Speaker 2: he's head up a center because he uses his quickness.
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  Speaker 2: He's very disruptive. He's an old-school throwback guy, no tape
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  Speaker 2: on the ankles, no tape on the wrist, and he
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  Speaker 2: just plays hard. But those are the two young guys
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  Speaker 2: that really stuck out to me.
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  Speaker 1: Buck, you have been asked by a Panther fan on
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  Speaker 1: the text line if you could make an Aaron Donald-like
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  Speaker 1: comeback to the Panthers. But a Clemson fan also has
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  Speaker 1: asked if you have any more eligibility because it seems
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  Speaker 1: like everybody does. So, Buck, a Clemson or Panther comeback
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  Speaker 1: in the works?
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  Speaker 2: Man, the only thing I could be good at is
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  Speaker 2: tell you what waffle station is the best station to
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  Speaker 2: go to right now. You know, my football day is over.
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  Speaker 2: But I... Man, I wish I was in a spot
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  Speaker 2: like an Aaron Donald where I was that good enough,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, that they would hold a spot for
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  Speaker 2: me if I wanted to come back or I was
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  Speaker 2: young enough to come back and play because I think
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  Speaker 2: When you get to Aaron Donald age, I think a
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  Speaker 2: year or two off does the body good. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? You can come back refreshed for a
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  Speaker 2: year and go ball, but I'm sorry, I can't help
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  Speaker 2: you right now.
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  Speaker 3: Buck, if you still got something in the system, though,
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  Speaker 3: you can Oklahoma drill Mack all you want to.
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  Speaker 1: I'll bring him over to you. I couldn't even handle– Buck,
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  Speaker 1: did you see that? I couldn't even handle Fitty in
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  Speaker 1: that drill. Fitty ran me over.
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  Speaker 3: Buck, was I happy with that?
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  Speaker 2: I saw it. I saw it, Mack. You got to
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  Speaker 2: sink your heels, Mack. You got to drive through, Mack.
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  Speaker 2: I was disappointed. But, hey– I'm not going to tell
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  Speaker 2: you enough about 50. He knew what he was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to do.
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  Speaker 1: Finney's a little bowling ball type back. You know those types, Buck.
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  Speaker 3: Finney's like our Tom Rathbun, Buck, back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: Talbert.
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  Speaker 1: Finney is our Mike Talbert, man. In personality and in frame.
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  Speaker 1: He dances as well. We're talking with Brenton Buckner here. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we got to talk Clemson buck for better
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  Speaker 1: or worse, man. How much did that kill you to
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  Speaker 1: see that happen on Saturday? And when you watch it,
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  Speaker 1: and then when you hear all the media commentary that man,
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  Speaker 1: this game's passed Dabo by, he hasn't adjusted enough to,
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  Speaker 1: to the, the, the modern game. Do you kind of
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  Speaker 1: feel that stuff too, or no?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, after sitting back watching it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at it. LSU probably wins that game 10
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  Speaker 2: times out of 10. LSU is a great team. What
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  Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin has put together down there, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff, the energy, everything that's going on is good.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of look at it from a point of view,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because I've been a coach. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: the things that Clemson suffered from, those weren't coaches' problems.
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  Speaker 2: It was a lot of player-led problems out there, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because no coach goes into a game not practicing what
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  Speaker 2: the other team do. You know, you try to perfect it.
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  Speaker 2: You try to give your team all the answers. The
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  Speaker 2: players flunked that test for most of it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: getting off blocks is an attitude. You know, being physical
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  Speaker 2: at the line of scrimmage. I can't coach you to
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  Speaker 2: be physical. I can give you the tools to help
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  Speaker 2: you become more physical than what you are, but going
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  Speaker 2: out there and competing against that other guy in front
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  Speaker 2: of you, that's all about the players. You know, dropping coverage,
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  Speaker 2: not pass protecting, missing blocks. That's on players. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: was disgusted because I am a Clemson alum and I
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  Speaker 2: want to see my team do well. Now, do I
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  Speaker 2: think Deep in my heart, do I think we were
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  Speaker 2: going to win that game?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: If I had to bet, I would have bet on LSU.
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  Speaker 2: But I did not expect it to be the way
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  Speaker 2: it was. I think that was the most disappointing part.
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  Speaker 2: And you could see that on the sideline, on the coaches' faces,
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  Speaker 2: because they was like, I know we practiced this. You know,
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  Speaker 2: that's the worst thing as a coach. I know we practiced.
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  Speaker 2: I knew we knew this was coming. You got to
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  Speaker 2: go out there as a player, and you got to
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  Speaker 2: work the game plan, and you got to put it
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  Speaker 2: all together. I think it was more player let down
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  Speaker 2: than coach.
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  Speaker 3: But Colin came in yesterday, a guy you know well,
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  Speaker 3: and said to us off the air about the Dabo,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the fire Dabo people. Is that a be
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  Speaker 3: careful what you wish for scenario, though, from the Clemson
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  Speaker 3: side of let's not also forget what Clemson was in
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  Speaker 3: the Tommy Bowden years trying to find themselves and what
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  Speaker 3: Dabo has done to get this program where it was?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I think it is. I think you have to
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  Speaker 2: be very careful what you ask for. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not just going to say rest on the laurels
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  Speaker 2: of what he's done in the past, but let's give
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  Speaker 2: the man credit. Now, Clemson has always wanted to be
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  Speaker 2: a national contender on the mouth of everybody. When you
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  Speaker 2: talk about college football, they wanted to be mentioned with
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  Speaker 2: the blue bloods. And Dabo built that. He built it
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  Speaker 2: to where it is now. I've said this before. He's
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  Speaker 2: a victim of his success. Because Clemson fans got spoiled.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think nine ACC titles, two national championships,
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  Speaker 2: two other appearances, and they got used to it. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to be there. We're going to be there. Well,
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  Speaker 2: guess what now? It's been a shift. You're not there.
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  Speaker 2: But it took him time to build it. Now you
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  Speaker 2: might have given him time to rebuild it because he's
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  Speaker 2: got to look at himself in the mirror, too, and say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: there's some things I got to do better. But right now,
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  Speaker 2: we're just not getting the recruits that we normally get.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you go back and look at our team, Clemson,
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  Speaker 2: when they were winning national titles, they dominated recruiting in
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  Speaker 2: the state of North Carolina with the Dexter Lawrences of
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  Speaker 2: the world. They're not doing that no more. You throw
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  Speaker 2: money in it and people who can pay more than you,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's a different recruiting world. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I think Clemson has to be very judicious in
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  Speaker 2: how they do things now because we don't have the
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  Speaker 2: big pot of money anymore. like a lot of teams,
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  Speaker 2: like the Texas teams or the LSUs. So you've got
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  Speaker 2: to be very careful how you use it, but you've
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  Speaker 2: got to use it the right way. The one thing
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  Speaker 2: that I can say that was disappointing to me is
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you can go into a season in
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  Speaker 2: today's NCAA season and not have a seasoned quarterback. I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you might like a guy who signed with you, but
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  Speaker 2: he's been there three years. and nobody's come and get him.
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  Speaker 2: He hasn't made a push to start. You've got to
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  Speaker 2: bring in somebody that can compete with him. So when
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  Speaker 2: you go into LSU, you've got to load a gun,
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  Speaker 2: and you know exactly what you've got.
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  Speaker 1: Go spend money in the portal at that position, like
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  Speaker 1: so many big-time programs do. But Dabo has never done
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  Speaker 1: that at that position. You know, he hasn't. I also
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of their alums, Bone, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: their former players with the big bucks, guys that used
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  Speaker 1: to play defensive line for them, they need to come
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  Speaker 1: with that NIL money for Clemson, too. Don't you think, Bone?
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Buck, I saw a bunch. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you follow. I'm sure you probably do. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of the former Clemson guys, a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: former Clemson guys were not happy on Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I saw it.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed like they used to get, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: guess it's a results-based business, but they're not shy about
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  Speaker 1: calling out Dabo anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's more so they were just shocked that
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  Speaker 2: their team would get beat like that. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? 51 straight points. They let it go. They
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  Speaker 2: let it go. You know, you don't have no rushing
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  Speaker 2: yards at halftime. You got a field goal. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you just look inept the whole game. And so I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of the frustration is coming out. Who's
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  Speaker 2: going to wear the hat for the frustration? The head coach.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, once again, Dabo is a victim of things. Like,
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  Speaker 2: he was stern against us. college football becoming what it
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  Speaker 2: is now, but now it's here. And I know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he went into the pool this year. He got some guys,
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  Speaker 2: but I think you got to be all the way
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  Speaker 2: in there or all the way out of there. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? You can't walk the line with it.
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  Speaker 2: You got to jump in there like you just did.
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback position. If I'm going to spend money, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to get that trigger, man.
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  Speaker 1: That's the most important one. Although at NC State, I'm wondering,
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  Speaker 1: did they spend so much money on the quarterback bone?
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  Speaker 1: They didn't have money for everybody else. But anyway, I digress.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Matt.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to say, the podcast is the Buck
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  Speaker 1: Naked Truth Podcast. Where do you get that? Just wherever
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  Speaker 1: you get podcasts, Buck? Where do you get that at?
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  Speaker 2: You can get IG. You can go IG. You can
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  Speaker 2: go YouTube. And we're coming to Apple soon. So I
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: know we just started with... We're on our sixth show, and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we just telling our butt naked truth.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: Keep doing your thing, Buck. Thanks for hanging with us, man.
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, one time for the one time.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Buck, one time for the one time.