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With Great Power #352... 22 Panels with Dillon Gilbertson · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:02
  Tad Eggleston: Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to 22 Panels. If you're not paying enough attention, you may think that this is a heavy metal book club, though Matt hasn't popped in yet. But it's not!
• 0:13
  Tad Eggleston: Peter is the co-host, and Dylan is the guest, because we have Volume 4 already? Is it Volume 4 already?
• 0:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 0:23
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Volume 4, Volume 3. Volume 3.
• 0:27
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Volume 4 of My Neighbor Necromancer. When does the Kickstarter roll out? Do we have.
• 0:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: Members…
• 0:34
  Tad Eggleston: date.
• 0:34
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yep, September 15th is when we're…
• 0:37
  Tad Eggleston: 15th, so, so mark your calendars, hit your remind me buttons in Kickstarter so it blasts you an email.
• 0:46
  Dillon Gilbertson: I would be… I would be a bad marketer if I didn't also remind everybody to get there in the first 24 hours, because that's your.
• 0:54
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I was… I was gonna go a step further.
• 0:58
  Dillon Gilbertson: Other rings.
• 0:58
  Tad Eggleston: They say, you get to race me to try to be Kickstarter number one.
• 1:02
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, yeah.
• 1:02
  Tad Eggleston: I've managed to be number one on a number of projects lately, and yours is always one of the ones that… I mean, I know I'm always gonna have to race Peter. It's like, which one of us will hit the button? And Matt, which one of us will hit the button the fastest when we get the email?
• 1:16
  Dillon Gilbertson: I love you guys.
• 1:17
  Tad Eggleston: But you guys, you won't even be able to try if you don't sign up to be reminded when it launches, because…
• 1:26
  Dillon Gilbertson: Even if you're not first.
• 1:28
  Dillon Gilbertson: If you back in the first 24 hours, you get a free bundle of temporary tattoos with the.
• 1:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: So that's what we'.
• 1:36
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, cool.
• 1:36
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 1:38
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I can't…
• 1:39
  Tad Eggleston: Peter's in Seattle now, so he'll, like, put the temporary tattoo on to be the…
• 1:44
  Tad Eggleston: The… the guide for the tattoo artist to make it permanent.
• 1:49
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I have so many tattoos all over.
• 1:52
  Dillon Gilbertson: all the tattoos Peter's got. He had to get them to live in Seattle.
• 1:56
  Tad Eggleston: I was about to say, you live in the Pacific Northwest, so you'd better… you'd better work on that, or they're gonna kick you out.
• 2:02
  Dillon Gilbertson: The Seattle Freeze only thaws when you have at least 7 tattoos.
• 2:06
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I used to, like, want the Mandalorian tattoo on my shoulder.
• 2:12
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah!
• 2:13
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I never got around to doing that, and I'm not sure.
• 2:16
  Tad Eggleston: And now you've seated on the shoulders of too many dickweeds?
• 2:21
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I…
• 2:23
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yes? No, I mean, like, I was just like… I don't know, the Boba Fett show did take a little bit out of the, mystery of Boba Fett.
• 2:36
  Tad Eggleston: No?
• 2:37
  Peter Eggleston Connor: It's great. I think they did a good job with it. That's not me dissing it, I just, like…
• 2:43
  Peter Eggleston Connor: you know, there was definitely an image I had of Boba Fett before and after that show, and… Right. Also, I think over the years, I just…
• 2:51
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Trying to drag it away from it. I wanted to find something more,
• 2:55
  Tad Eggleston: That's right, you wanted one pre-Mandalorian.
• 2:59
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah.
• 3:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to find somebody.
• 3:02
  Dillon Gilbertson: True.
• 3:02
  Tad Eggleston: You've been interested since Knights of the Old Republic.
• 3:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, yeah.
• 3:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, okay.
• 3:09
  Dillon Gilbertson: Boba Fett was like a…
• 3:11
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I've been interested in Boba Fett since Boba Fett was on the TV screen!
• 3:15
  Tad Eggleston: Boba Fett, Boba Fett, WHERE?
• 3:17
  Dillon Gilbertson: Back from the holiday special, you mean, when it was on TV?
• 3:20
  Peter Eggleston Connor: No, I meant, like…
• 3:21
  Tad Eggleston: I wasn't alive for the holiday special.
• 3:24
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I,
• 3:25
  Tad Eggleston: I wasn't alive for the holiday special.
• 3:27
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I actually just meant when he was on, like, when we used to watch the movies when I was a kid.
• 3:33
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay.
• 3:34
  Dillon Gilbertson: On the silver screen, or on the… what's the… what's the T, the small screen? The silver screen's the movie theater.
• 3:40
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Movie theater.
• 3:42
  Tad Eggleston: tube.
• 3:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: What metal is the television? The copper?
• 3:44
  Tad Eggleston: Roob tube!
• 3:45
  Dillon Gilbertson: screen.
• 3:46
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Copper screen.
• 3:47
  Dillon Gilbertson: on screen.
• 3:48
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And, like…
• 3:49
  Dillon Gilbertson: gold screen.
• 3:50
  Tad Eggleston: I thought it was just the poop tube.
• 3:52
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean, it used to be called the boob tube, yeah.
• 3:54
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah. Well, there's no tubes in it now.
• 3:57
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you can't really call it a boob tube anymore.
• 3:59
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's the Boob OCD, or the Boob LCD.
• 4:02
  Dillon Gilbertson: UbOLED.
• 4:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: No more tubes, just… light…
• 4:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 4:11
  Tad Eggleston: I, I mean, we, we, we, we, I thought you were gonna say, no more tubes, just boobs, and I was gonna remind you that this is, this is not the heavy metal…
• 4:20
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 4:21
  Tad Eggleston: This is the My Neighbor Necromancer, and that's, at least theoretically, a YA.
• 4:27
  Tad Eggleston: Middle brain.
• 4:29
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yay.
• 4:29
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Considering I didn't say that, and you did…
• 4:33
  Tad Eggleston: That's true, that's true.
• 4:34
  Dillon Gilbertson: If we kept the words relatively PG, we can… let's… let's… well, yeah, we'll… we'll take it back, let's take it back.
• 4:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Let's take it back, let's take it back. Back to my name.
• 4:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: I am.
• 4:44
  Tad Eggleston: So, Dylan, get us up to date. Where did we leave our protagonist? And what is in store for Issue 4?
• 4:54
  Dillon Gilbertson: In Issue 3, we saw… Jesse and Cyrano get an invitation to a place called The Body Farm.
• 5:02
  Dillon Gilbertson: by a man aptly named the Body Farmer. In Cyrno.
• 5:07
  Tad Eggleston: Whoa! Hold on a second, I have to ask an important question.
• 5:11
  Dillon Gilbertson: Ask away.
• 5:13
  Tad Eggleston: Where did you come up with that name?
• 5:15
  Dillon Gilbertson: The Body Farmer?
• 5:16
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 5:17
  Dillon Gilbertson: If I'm being honest, I got… I got the name from watching Fury Road, and there was a character called the Bullet Farmer, and I was like, that is so cool. And then I… and then it just bled into my consciousness while I was writing Necromancer, and I was like…
• 5:34
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, so did Body Farmer come before the Body Farm?
• 5:38
  Dillon Gilbertson: They're almost simultaneous, so… Okay. In Issue 3,
• 5:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: The body farmer, before he was the body farmer, we learn, lived on this farm.
• 5:50
  Dillon Gilbertson: Where the townsfolk had had enough with the Grim Reaper and taking away their loved ones, and so they revolted and… and killed death.
• 6:01
  Dillon Gilbertson: But in doing so, when they buried death, his essence bled into the earth.
• 6:06
  Dillon Gilbertson: And now death doesn't need an avatar. The Grim Reaper's no longer needed, because death is everywhere.
• 6:12
  Dillon Gilbertson: Just like it is in real life.
• 6:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: And so, and so the… because it comes from where death was buried, that energy is particularly potent on the body farm.
• 6:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: So nothing can survive there, save for the body farmer himself, who is the man who slew death, and so he is the only one capable of…
• 6:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: Of living on the farm.
• 6:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: What we will learn in Issue 4 is that… Prior to Rakut, Destroying the necromancy school.
• 6:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: The Body Farmer used to be the,
• 6:53
  Dillon Gilbertson: The, the seller of bodies for the students to use at the school for lessons.
• 7:00
  Dillon Gilbertson: And now that the school does not exist, the bodies are stacking up, and he doesn't know what to do with them, and so, the burial mounds have spread far past
• 7:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: Far past the farm itself, and so the whole place is surrounded by mounds and mounds of bodies buried beneath the earth.
• 7:19
  Dillon Gilbertson: So at the end of Issue 3,
• 7:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: Jesse and Cyrano have just arrived on the farm to a very rude greeting by the farm's guards.
• 7:29
  Dillon Gilbertson: Only to be saved at the last minute by the body farmer himself.
• 7:33
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I remember that. I was looking at it.
• 7:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah!
• 7:36
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah!
• 7:38
  Dillon Gilbertson: the… can we… can we talk a minute about the two guards? Because…
• 7:43
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Of course we.
• 7:43
  Dillon Gilbertson: The tree crossbow tractor guard with multiple hands on his hand is so cool.
• 7:55
  Dillon Gilbertson: This dude, look at his arm! Like, he's, like, he's got a hand that holds the crossbow, and then several other hands growing out of it in order to pull the string back.
• 8:03
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh yeah, it's…
• 8:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: I think that's one of the coolest things.
• 8:06
  Peter Eggleston Connor: You don't have to use a second arm to… to… you just need one arm for a crossbow. Yeah. The disadvantage to this is that, he doesn't really have a second arm. I mean, I guess he does, he has… instead of having legs, he has two arms at the bottom here.
• 8:23
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, so he sort of transports himself by dragging himself along the ground, because he's attached to this Thatcher.
• 8:30
  Dillon Gilbertson: with wheels on it, and he has these two giant arms that sort of pull himself around, and so whenever he needs more ammo for his crossbow, he just rips a tree out of the ground and throws it in there with his… his leg arms? I guess you could say?
• 8:43
  Peter Eggleston Connor: There you go.
• 8:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: I love that dude, he's so cool.
• 8:46
  Peter Eggleston Connor: He is pretty sweet.
• 8:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: I was so excited when Jason drew that, dude.
• 8:51
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's… that… I mean, like, that's the type of thing where I love in this comic book, it would be super amazing to see in a game, too, where you, like, you know, had this amazing guy, but…
• 9:03
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I don't think it would ever be captured in quite the same essence as it is here, so…
• 9:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's super cool.
• 9:09
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That is super cool.
• 9:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 9:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: So yeah, and in the beginning of, of Issue 4,
• 9:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: The body farmer sort of welcomes them, and it sort of explains the reason for their invitation, which turns out to be, less than pleasant. This is the first time I've gotten to talk about the actual story of My Neighbor Necromancer issue 4.
• 9:37
  Dillon Gilbertson: like, not writing it, because I wrote it down in the… in the Kickstarter page, right? But this is the first time, like, actually talking about it in conversation with people, and so it's very diff… I have… it's very hard to tiptoe around spoilers for this issue, because a lot of things sort of come into…
• 9:55
  Dillon Gilbertson: come into place. All the pieces kind of start to fall into place. It's a very emotional story, like, the things kind of go off the rails quite a bit. And the one thing that, like, I… we don't think we could keep hidden is that Rakut finally returns. We haven't seen the big bad of the series since Issue 1.
• 10:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: And since then, they've just sort of talked about her, sort of in hushed tones.
• 10:17
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I was gonna say, I did notice that in the, the…
• 10:21
  Peter Eggleston Connor: video preview that you guys sent out, that there was quite a bit of imagery with rackets and, you know, some stuff going on there, too, so…
• 10:30
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, which I… I thought when I wrote it, I was like, this is gonna be a sweet reveal, and it's gonna blow everybody's minds, and I'm gonna keep it secret. But, like, there's… there's legitimately, and I'm not… not trying to be…
• 10:41
  Dillon Gilbertson: you know, a big marketer about it, or be the salesman about it. Like, there's just too many things in this. Like, if Rakut is the least…
• 10:52
  Dillon Gilbertson: the smallest thing that happens in terms of reveals in this one. I think there's a lot… it's a lot going on, and I think it's a really… it's a really cool issue. I've been thinking about this issue for years since we started making it, so I'm happy it's finally out.
• 11:06
  Peter Eggleston Connor: noise.
• 11:08
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I'm looking forward to it.
• 11:09
  Dillon Gilbertson: No.
• 11:10
  Peter Eggleston Connor: what do we got, Tad?
• 11:14
  Tad Eggleston: What level of production are we in at this point? Does Jason have pencil going, or is he waiting for the money?
• 11:20
  Dillon Gilbertson: Jason's waiting for the money, as we all should be.
• 11:23
  Tad Eggleston: Show me the money!
• 11:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, so the goal of the Kickstarter is for the artists on this book
• 11:34
  Dillon Gilbertson: Who… art is their full-time job.
• 11:37
  Dillon Gilbertson: And so, in order to do their full-time job, you know, you don't… working for free is not something anyone, I think, is fond of.
• 11:45
  Dillon Gilbertson: And so, we… we want to make sure that they are able to keep the lights on when… while they're making this book. And so,
• 11:55
  Dillon Gilbertson: We need to make sure that it's funded before we plow forward.
• 12:00
  Dillon Gilbertson: And so, Jason and Luca are amazing enough to get out the four preview pages, because we need something to show, right? We need to be able to bring in people with more than words.
• 12:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: And so they did the four preview pages, to bring people in, and now we're sort of resting to put all our energy towards promoting the Kickstarter for now.
• 12:23
  Tad Eggleston: And this is still targeted for 6… 6 issues?
• 12:28
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's targeted for 5 issues now.
• 12:30
  Tad Eggleston: Five issues.
• 12:31
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, so this'll be 80% of the way there.
• 12:34
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, so we're… this is the penultimate issue, which is sort of why everything is sort of coming to a head in this one.
• 12:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, we talked a lot about making it 6. It could have easily been 6, but we also really liked the idea of having some oversized issues to give people a bigger bang for their buck when they come for the book on Kickstarter.
• 12:57
  Dillon Gilbertson: And so this issue and the next issue will both be 32 pages, instead of the… instead of the usual 20, 24, 20, 26, or 28.
• 13:07
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 13:09
  Tad Eggleston: What kind of… of fun swag are you planning? Does Peter get another map?
• 13:15
  Tad Eggleston: Will there be more teeth?
• 13:16
  Dillon Gilbertson: Another map.
• 13:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: Peter gets another map, and this…
• 13:20
  Peter Eggleston Connor: on our map!
• 13:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yay!
• 13:23
  Dillon Gilbertson: So…
• 13:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: We've talked about this a little bit before, off-stream or off pod, but the map is back. You'll be able to get a third map of the four collectible maps that will all come together to sort of show
• 13:38
  Dillon Gilbertson: most of the world that, that these characters exist in. But the map will not be made bought with the same material. Unfortunately, the vendor that we were ordering from discontinued the material, and we were not able to convince them to bring that material back just for us.
• 13:58
  Dillon Gilbertson: So, instead of this, this jute material, it's gonna be a weave loom material.
• 14:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: Which should be… should be roughly similar, but I… I'm unable to say exactly… physically unable, because I honestly don't know, how exact it's going to match. And that's something that we… we don't want to hide that from people. We're not trying to dupe people into getting it, because they think it's going to match perfectly. We want to be very upfront that the map is going to be different, unfortunately. We… we tried every which way we could, and
• 14:28
  Dillon Gilbertson: And the, the weave loom material is, is the, is…
• 14:32
  Dillon Gilbertson: the best of all the worlds that we had to sort of reconfigure to make it… make it work, because we still want… we still want this collectible map series to be a thing.
• 14:41
  Dillon Gilbertson: But, all that to say…
• 14:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yes, Peter will be able to get another man. For sure.
• 14:47
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Wow.
• 14:48
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I'm so excited.
• 14:49
  Tad Eggleston: T-shirts, pets, in the comic?
• 14:52
  Dillon Gilbertson: No…
• 14:53
  Tad Eggleston: Like, since… since the last volume, I had a cat die.
• 14:57
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, gosh.
• 14:58
  Dillon Gilbertson: Which cat? What was their name?
• 15:00
  Tad Eggleston: Matt died.
• 15:02
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, yeah, bad dot.
• 15:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: I'm sorry, man.
• 15:06
  Dillon Gilbertson: And so…
• 15:07
  Tad Eggleston: I can't get… I can't get a ghost mat, this issue?
• 15:09
  Dillon Gilbertson: A ghost map? Oh, a ghost map.
• 15:11
  Tad Eggleston: Ghost Matt.
• 15:13
  Tad Eggleston: In previous issues.
• 15:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, you're talking… you mean, like, for,
• 15:16
  Tad Eggleston: Drawn into the issue.
• 15:17
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, yeah.
• 15:18
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, yeah.
• 15:19
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, yeah. The… so, yeah, the familiar commissions are back.
• 15:24
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 15:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: you will 100% be able to get, a Ghost Max. So normally what we offer for,
• 15:31
  Dillon Gilbertson: for the…
• 15:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: pet familiar commissions is any degree of decay, and so it's usually a physical body, and then you can choose whether it's in advanced decay, or no decay at all, or anywhere in between. But if you want a ghost, Matt.
• 15:47
  Dillon Gilbertson: I can get Jason to do a ghost for you.
• 15:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we'll figure it out. It doesn't have to be a ghost mat. I just meant… I just meant that, that, like…
• 15:55
  Tad Eggleston: My kitty died.
• 15:56
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, absolutely. We'll get you a pet commission for sure, and you can also…
• 16:03
  Tad Eggleston: Kitty.
• 16:03
  Dillon Gilbertson: You can also pick,
• 16:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Somewhere in my head… sorry, I just had to mention this, because we're… we're almost… we're three-quarters of the Heavy Metal Podcast here. Somewhere in my head, I just wanted Matt to be the actual cat.
• 16:19
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Well, not really, because I would like to see Matt again, and I just thought it would be funny, but just so our viewers know, Matt the cat was a dear, beloved pet. Matt, our, other co…
• 16:34
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he's still alive.
• 16:35
  Peter Eggleston Connor: He's still alive.
• 16:36
  Tad Eggleston: Matt from the heavy metal, he's, he's still, he's still alive.
• 16:40
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Sorry, Dillon, go ahead, go ahead.
• 16:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: What, what, what, we… so, for the commissions, we also offer accessories. You can choose…
• 16:51
  Dillon Gilbertson: you can choose any number of usual, like, necromancy accessories, like a staff, or a tome, or their favorite toy, but, like, what would you… do you have one in mind? Is there an accessory that you would like, that you think Matt would enjoy most, or that you would like to see.
• 17:06
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't know. Matt wasn't always an accessory guy.
• 17:11
  Tad Eggleston: It's gonna be… I'm trying to find a good picture to show you, and I wonder if they're all on my phone, because even the one that's my background picture here, I don't know where I found it from, because it's not in my…
• 17:26
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe, maybe have Google file pictures.
• 17:30
  Dillon Gilbertson: I live for pet photos, so we need to have that.
• 17:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 17:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 17:34
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, we're… we're… we… we're all about pets. In… in My Neighbor Necromancer, like, most… most of the… the familiars, and, the… the summoned…
• 17:46
  Dillon Gilbertson: beings, are… artistic versions of real-life pets from our friends, and so…
• 17:53
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 17:54
  Dillon Gilbertson: Gavin… Gavin was, the… the cat of our friend Alex.
• 17:59
  Dillon Gilbertson: Cannoli was… was the dog who belonged to our friend Grant.
• 18:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: Bibbets… Bibbets was the name of, of a pet my wife's mom had when she was a child.
• 18:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: And so, we… we've found a lot of joy in being able to give those pets sort of a second life, and have them… and we… we've made this agreement, that for all the pets that are indeed based on real pets, that nothing… nothing bad is…
• 18:30
  Dillon Gilbertson: Nothing permanently bad is ever to happen.
• 18:32
  Tad Eggleston: Nothing bad happens to them, I like that.
• 18:35
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah.
• 18:36
  Dillon Gilbertson: Nothing permanently bad. I can't say that, because Bibbetts famously died.
• 18:39
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, I understand.
• 18:40
  Dillon Gilbertson: But he's good to go. He's… he's fine.
• 18:44
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I understand that.
• 18:47
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, but…
• 18:51
  Tad Eggleston: worries.
• 18:54
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, we had, we also have our map page, per tradition, so we get to see
• 19:00
  Dillon Gilbertson: Cyrano and Jesse, travel across the Deadlands again.
• 19:06
  Dillon Gilbertson: Up to the… up to the ruins of the necromancy school. But the way the map is oriented, we had… we… we struggled with figuring out ways to guide the reader's eye from… to the bottom of the page, in order for them to read from bottom to top.
• 19:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: Because… and there's only so many ways you can do it, and so we… we tried to find some, what I think are fairly creative ways to try and guide people's eyes over there, so hopefully… hopefully if you're listening to this, you'll…
• 19:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: you'll know that we… you're reading… you're reading the map page from bottom to top in issue 4.
• 19:43
  Tad Eggleston: I totally forgot that, that, like, there's a separate picture folder, rather than pictures being in documents.
• 19:49
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh my gosh, look at this cat! Look at this cat!
• 19:52
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he decided he was at the head of the table for Thanksgiving one year.
• 19:56
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yes!
• 19:57
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Heck yeah.
• 19:58
  Dillon Gilbertson: I mean, he gets to carve the turkey?
• 20:00
  Tad Eggleston: Nobody certainly ate some of it.
• 20:02
  Dillon Gilbertson: There you go.
• 20:03
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Well, that's good.
• 20:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh my gosh, the coloring on his face is amazing.
• 20:07
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Did he get a roll, too?
• 20:09
  Peter Eggleston Connor: No.
• 20:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: He better get a roll. Does he even want a roll? Would the cat eat a roll?
• 20:14
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know if he cared about the.
• 20:15
  Dillon Gilbertson: Hmm.
• 20:16
  Tad Eggleston: But I loved that, like, I set the table, and when I came back to get… that was the chair that I was gonna be sitting.
• 20:23
  Dillon Gilbertson: in.
• 20:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: He looks… he looks like a dad who's, like, at the end of his.
• 20:28
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, no.
• 20:29
  Tad Eggleston: Owned the house.
• 20:30
  Dillon Gilbertson: You kid, don't shut up and stop bothering your mother.
• 20:32
  Tad Eggleston: Totally owned the house.
• 20:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh my god.
• 20:35
  Tad Eggleston: That's… that's just how Matt rolled.
• 20:37
  Dillon Gilbertson: I love him. I love Matt.
• 20:39
  Tad Eggleston: This is another good one.
• 20:41
  Tad Eggleston: We'll share some good map pictures.
• 20:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, my God.
• 20:45
  Tad Eggleston: You're gonna have to describe… I mean, Mom and Adam knew Matt.
• 20:48
  Tad Eggleston: And they're the big listeners, but other people have to describe for the people
• 20:54
  Tad Eggleston: Now, it may look like he's sticking his tongue out at the camera here, but he actually had, like, a 4-month period where
• 21:02
  Tad Eggleston: We eventually discovered that he had a couple teeth that needed to be pulled, but, like, this was his standard look.
• 21:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: Just tung out.
• 21:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he would have his tongue just a little bit out.
• 21:13
  Peter Eggleston Connor: So we need to describe this cat for our viewers that aren't, you know, the ones who knew Matt personally.
• 21:20
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I suppose you don't have to go nuts, too.
• 21:22
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Well, I wasn't gonna go nuts, I was gonna say, like, Matt here has his, what is the term for the black tuxedo cat?
• 21:32
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, he's a tuxedo cat. Yeah.
• 21:34
  Peter Eggleston Connor: He's a tuxedo cat, but…
• 21:35
  Tad Eggleston: Very stately.
• 21:36
  Peter Eggleston Connor: He's got this, like, black face, and in the middle of the black face, he has a fidget spinner of what…
• 21:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: That's how I was.
• 21:42
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 21:43
  Dillon Gilbertson: I was like, I don't know.
• 21:44
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 21:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: that shake.
• 21:45
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, they…
• 21:46
  Dillon Gilbertson: Right.
• 21:47
  Tad Eggleston: See, see, I, I, I love… wait a minute.
• 21:52
  Dillon Gilbertson: But his nose is black, too, so it's a fidget spinner with, like, a black center on it.
• 21:57
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I mean, like, it's a legit finished spinner. It's got the, like, little circle in the middle.
• 22:01
  Dillon Gilbertson: Literally what it is.
• 22:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean, the.
• 22:05
  Tad Eggleston: Now…
• 22:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: A little bit of a triangle, but you know…
• 22:08
  Tad Eggleston: In a second, we're gonna have the, the, the… yeah, Matt as an elephant. Now…
• 22:15
  Tad Eggleston: Look carefully at his eye, and you will know how little time the elephant costume…
• 22:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 22:23
  Tad Eggleston: Stayed on his head.
• 22:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: I will end all of you. He is not having with his elevator.
• 22:28
  Tad Eggleston: It's like, I know where you sleep, is what he's telling us there.
• 22:33
  Peter Eggleston Connor: It pretty much is like, I have amused you, and that's the.
• 22:36
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 22:36
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Gus.
• 22:38
  Tad Eggleston: This is one of my favorites, Matt Inside the Shark.
• 22:40
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Okay, but, like, let's go back to that picture for a second.
• 22:44
  Tad Eggleston: Which one?
• 22:45
  Peter Eggleston Connor: The man inside the shark.
• 22:47
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay.
• 22:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: Is it a shark or is it an elephant?
• 22:50
  Tad Eggleston: It's a shark.
• 22:51
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, he hadn't…
• 22:52
  Peter Eggleston Connor: There are two different ones.
• 22:54
  Tad Eggleston: He had an elephant.
• 22:55
  Dillon Gilbertson: So, hear me out, hear me out on this. What if…
• 22:58
  Dillon Gilbertson: What if it was a commission of Matt, wearing…
• 23:03
  Dillon Gilbertson: The skull… the skull of a very small shark on its head as a hat.
• 23:07
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that would be cool.
• 23:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: Almost like a Cuban situation.
• 23:09
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Are we talking about the elephant, or are we talking about the shark one?
• 23:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: The shark one. Oh, that was… oh, oh, that. I was talking about… okay, alright.
• 23:17
  Peter Eggleston Connor: We're talking.
• 23:17
  Tad Eggleston: The other one was the elephant, but I…
• 23:19
  Dillon Gilbertson: But I like that.
• 23:20
  Tad Eggleston: the shark skull. The shark skull sounds cool. Okay. That sounds very mad.
• 23:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: Right. Yeah.
• 23:26
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I wonder if Matt could just live in a shark's skull?
• 23:29
  Dillon Gilbertson: That would be cool, too, just have a shark skull and, like, have him be sitting in there, kind of like that.
• 23:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:35
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yep, very kingly.
• 23:36
  Dillon Gilbertson: The world is our undead oyster, guys. It's our zombie oyster.
• 23:40
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Zombie-ois.
• 23:41
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, Matt ruled the roost.
• 23:44
  Tad Eggleston: So I was, I was, I was very, very sad to… to lose my mat.
• 23:48
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I have money.
• 23:50
  Tad Eggleston: He, he… It was… I think 11. So he had a decent… You know, he wasn't young.
• 23:58
  Tad Eggleston: But… but it was still.
• 24:00
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, yeah, but he was a good companion for 11 years, I mean…
• 24:05
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 24:06
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Doesn't matter how young or old he was.
• 24:09
  Tad Eggleston: Right, right.
• 24:12
  Tad Eggleston: So yeah, that, that, that, that was my map.
• 24:15
  Tad Eggleston: we got Matt when he fit in my hand.
• 24:18
  Tad Eggleston: And… and… He became a very big kitty, but not a fat kitty.
• 24:24
  Tad Eggleston: Just a…
• 24:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: When He fit in your hand, and then… and then made His home in our hearts.
• 24:29
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Well, but when he fit in our hand was when he also managed to take over the house.
• 24:36
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh.
• 24:37
  Tad Eggleston: It was, like, a pound, and he dominated the 20-pound dog.
• 24:43
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Just to, you know, essentially, the bigger he grew, the more power he had.
• 24:50
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 24:50
  Peter Eggleston Connor: what I'm hearing.
• 24:52
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:52
  Dillon Gilbertson: He could dominate the house as inside the palm of your hand. I can't imagine how…
• 25:00
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, by the time he was 20.
• 25:01
  Dillon Gilbertson: I go over as a large cat.
• 25:03
  Tad Eggleston: we only were kind of joking when we asked our real estate agent if we should have Matt's name on the mortgage.
• 25:17
  Dillon Gilbertson: Love that.
• 25:18
  Tad Eggleston: Because it was very much Matt's house.
• 25:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, Matt said, you're just living in it.
• 25:23
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 25:25
  Tad Eggleston: But…
• 25:25
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I'll leave it to you, but…
• 25:27
  Tad Eggleston: But he, he was benevolent. He was benevolent. He was,
• 25:32
  Tad Eggleston: You know, he always acted like he didn't like Sal.
• 25:35
  Tad Eggleston: But he would knock treats off the top of the refrigerator for him.
• 25:39
  Dillon Gilbertson: Is Sal Other Cat?
• 25:40
  Tad Eggleston: Sal was… Sal was the dog that actually passed away before Matt, but he was also older than Matt. Sal was Kelly's dog that she'd had for longer than she knew me.
• 25:51
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, I see.
• 25:52
  Tad Eggleston: And they pretended to have nothing to do with each other.
• 25:56
  Tad Eggleston: Until Sal got sick, and Matt did… Matt spent a lot of time grooming him when he was sick.
• 26:01
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, that's nice.
• 26:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. But until then, they totally pretended to have nothing to do with each other.
• 26:07
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 26:08
  Tad Eggleston: like…
• 26:10
  Tad Eggleston: Sometimes we'd open the door, and the recliner would be swinging, because they would have both jumped off of it together to make it clear that they never, ever sat together.
• 26:30
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, their first… their first altercation was over the recliner.
• 26:34
  Tad Eggleston: It was… it was Matt's first night in the house.
• 26:37
  Tad Eggleston: Again, he fit in the palm of my hand.
• 26:41
  Tad Eggleston: Sal had been… had been sleeping on the recliner, got up to go to the bathroom. While Kelly let him out, Matt went over to the climber… recliner, CLIMED UP!
• 26:52
  Tad Eggleston: It was way too far for him to jump at that point.
• 26:55
  Tad Eggleston: Climbed up.
• 26:58
  Tad Eggleston: And plopped himself Dead center in the middle of the seat.
• 27:06
  Tad Eggleston: And went to sleep Or at least appeared to go to sleep.
• 27:11
  Tad Eggleston: Sal came back in.
• 27:13
  Tad Eggleston: And was, you know, was taking the trot, and was about to jump, and saw the cat, and stopped dead.
• 27:20
  Tad Eggleston: He looked, then he looked at Kelly, He looked… You looked at Kelly?
• 27:27
  Tad Eggleston: And I started to say, hey, Matt, I think you can share the seat, and Matt opened one eye.
• 27:34
  Tad Eggleston: And Salvador spun around and ran over and curled up in the dog pillow.
• 27:45
  Tad Eggleston: Now, again, 20-pound Toto dog!
• 27:49
  Tad Eggleston: One pound tuxedo kitty!
• 27:52
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh my gosh.
• 27:53
  Peter Eggleston Connor: There you go.
• 27:55
  Tad Eggleston: But again, eventually it became… Salvador was a very well-behaved puppy. He would never dream of climbing on chairs or tables to get things like potato chips. However, he was all… he also understood that his job was to clean up
• 28:10
  Tad Eggleston: crumbs and stuff on the floor. So if there happened to be an open bag of chips on the table, Sal would just kinda…
• 28:18
  Tad Eggleston: Lounge underneath it until Matt, who had absolutely no compunctions about rules, because it's his house, he makes the rules.
• 28:28
  Tad Eggleston: would jump up!
• 28:30
  Tad Eggleston: Knocked the potato chips onto the floor, at which point, Sal was morally obligated to clean them up.
• 28:39
  Dillon Gilbertson: Mmm.
• 28:40
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean…
• 28:47
  Tad Eggleston: That was how our… that was how our house worked with Matt and Sal.
• 28:51
  Tad Eggleston: And, and Matt allowed for… Two new kitties and a new dog on his watch.
• 28:59
  Tad Eggleston: But he made certain that they all knew who was king.
• 29:04
  Tad Eggleston: He was… he was particularly good with, with… with Eddie.
• 29:10
  Tad Eggleston: who, like, anytime Eddie started to get uppity, even though it was the old man versus the young guy, Matt would, like.
• 29:18
  Tad Eggleston: Pound him. Like, pound him, pound him.
• 29:24
  Tad Eggleston: And for that matter, my favorite was when, like, Matt would pretend to sleep on…
• 29:29
  Tad Eggleston: on, like, the top of a couch or something above Eddie.
• 29:33
  Tad Eggleston: And just… accidentally…
• 29:37
  Tad Eggleston: wave his tail across Eddie's face until it annoyed Eddie, and Eddie decided to try to do something about it, at which point Matt would pound him.
• 29:50
  Tad Eggleston: So, you know, there's… when… when you start writing for Matt, Dillon, I think I've given you…
• 29:57
  Tad Eggleston: Deep understanding of his character.
• 30:01
  Tad Eggleston: He was a benevolent king, but he was the king.
• 30:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: I will… you'll… I'll play this…
• 30:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: section of the podcast for Jason when he's… when he's drawing it, and it'll be his… his drawing music.
• 30:15
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I'll send you pictures.
• 30:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:19
  Tad Eggleston: And I'm certain that I'll arrange to pay for the,
• 30:22
  Tad Eggleston: the, the, the, the level. You don't have to do this for me for free.
• 30:26
  Tad Eggleston: And I know that you have that wonderful level.
• 30:29
  Tad Eggleston: That people should take advantage of.
• 30:31
  Dillon Gilbertson: Say that one more time? Oh, the…
• 30:33
  Tad Eggleston: I said, I will pay for my appropriate level. Wow, yes.
• 30:39
  Tad Eggleston: a soul.
• 30:41
  Dillon Gilbertson: There's no way we're ever getting rid of that tier. I love it, and people love it, and like…
• 30:47
  Dillon Gilbertson: I don't know, I, that's one of the most special things about doing the Kickstarters, is… because what happens, too, is people… I get to see… one, I get to see pictures of people's pets.
• 30:59
  Dillon Gilbertson: And that's… that's number one motivation. Love that.
• 31:03
  Dillon Gilbertson: But then, like, they'll tell me stories about the pets, and, like, to try and give an accurate picture of their personality and stuff on it, and, like.
• 31:09
  Tad Eggleston: You mean like I just did?
• 31:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, exactly… I'm telling you, exactly. I love hearing stuff like that about people's pets, and, like, how much joy they bring them.
• 31:20
  Tad Eggleston: There was one other great story from that first night.
• 31:23
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 31:24
  Tad Eggleston: It was before… it was before the chair story. It was, like, his first attempt at taking over.
• 31:32
  Tad Eggleston: He'd run behind our couch, and gone under the end table.
• 31:37
  Tad Eggleston: And you saw Sal just out in the open in the living room.
• 31:41
  Tad Eggleston: And he… Bolted towards him.
• 31:45
  Tad Eggleston: And leaped, and was going at him.
• 31:48
  Tad Eggleston: Claws out, like he was gonna, like…
• 31:52
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, thought better of it mid-air.
• 31:56
  Tad Eggleston: It's fun!
• 31:57
  Dillon Gilbertson: That's the wrong place to have a regret, is midair.
• 32:00
  Tad Eggleston: SPUN!
• 32:02
  Tad Eggleston: Knocked the side… knocked his side against Southside.
• 32:07
  Tad Eggleston: landed on his feet, shot back under the end table, while Sal went, Something just happened?
• 32:19
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh my god. I love it.
• 32:23
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, Sal.
• 32:25
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, 1 pound cap versus 20… like, it… it probably… it's like, was there a stiff breeze in the living room? I'm not used to wind in the living room.
• 32:36
  Dillon Gilbertson: This cat seems like a boss, and I love him.
• 32:38
  Tad Eggleston: He was. He was. Total boss.
• 32:41
  Tad Eggleston: Total boss.
• 32:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: Amazing.
• 32:43
  Tad Eggleston: I still miss him.
• 32:46
  Tad Eggleston: I don't love this.
• 32:48
  Tad Eggleston: My kitty.
• 32:50
  Dillon Gilbertson: We'll get you a commission, no matter what.
• 32:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:53
  Tad Eggleston: So, we got, we got tattoos, we got maps, we got pet commissions, any other cool stuff?
• 33:02
  Dillon Gilbertson: We got a couple of…
• 33:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: unlocks. So we have… we have some…
• 33:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: some stretch goals that, are they called stretch goals when they're, like, in the middle of the campaign? Stretch goals always makes me think, like, once you reach the goal of the campaign, then stuff beyond that.
• 33:20
  Dillon Gilbertson: But we've got stuff, in the middle, and so once you… once we unlock, a certain number of backers, we've got some mystery stuff that we're gonna unlock for people.
• 33:29
  Dillon Gilbertson: Awesome. Some cool physical rewards for everyone. We've got the first 48.
• 33:36
  Dillon Gilbertson: The first 48…
• 33:39
  Dillon Gilbertson: reward level, so if you, if you pledge for that one, it's only available for the first 48 hours.
• 33:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: But you're gonna get… you're gonna get a bunch of stickers, you'll get some prints, you'll get,
• 33:50
  Dillon Gilbertson: You'll get…
• 33:50
  Tad Eggleston: Workers are cool.
• 33:52
  Dillon Gilbertson: You'll get cover A and cover B. So the covers for this one, we didn't have a variant cover drawn by a different artist. Instead, rather, Jason drew two covers that will connect in the middle, and so if you get both.
• 34:06
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 34:06
  Dillon Gilbertson: of them, they will combine to make a full… a full image, and so we're super jazzed about that one.
• 34:16
  Tad Eggleston: like stickers. I put stickers on lots of things.
• 34:19
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yep, stickers, stickers, stickers.
• 34:20
  Tad Eggleston: Except that I don't know how to put my laptop camera on the outside of my laptop, I'd show you all the stickers on my laptop.
• 34:28
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, yeah, I was like…
• 34:29
  Tad Eggleston: I think I'd.
• 34:30
  Dillon Gilbertson: I think.
• 34:30
  Tad Eggleston: I think I'd have to hook up another camera to be able to do that.
• 34:34
  Peter Eggleston Connor: And there's this, there's this nifty invention called a cell phone.
• 34:38
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, there is, there is, I could do it that way.
• 34:41
  Tad Eggleston: Or I do have a separate webcamber that.
• 34:44
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That is wicked cool, Dillon.
• 34:45
  Dillon Gilbertson: So I also am a sticker aficion. I have a bunch on my laptop, but there's only so much room on my laptop.
• 34:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yep, yep, yep.
• 34:52
  Dillon Gilbertson: I've got all these ones on this…
• 35:00
  Tad Eggleston: Peter's reminding me of the cell phone, so we're… we're gonna… we're gonna take the picture that'll just be for you guys, because…
• 35:07
  Tad Eggleston: Because I have a text thread with you.
• 35:09
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, there you go. Oh, Banjo-Kazooie!
• 35:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, man!
• 35:16
  Dillon Gilbertson: Man, Banjo-Kazooie's so good. I remember in middle school, I had the option to buy Banjo-Kazooie, or a game called Nightmare Creatures, and everybody at the time, my friends, who are all also horror fiends, I love horror.
• 35:30
  Dillon Gilbertson: They were… they got mad at me because I bought Banjo-Kazooie instead, because I love that game.
• 35:37
  Dillon Gilbertson: Like, how could you do that instead of nightmare creatures? Well…
• 35:41
  Dillon Gilbertson: I want to ride a bird.
• 35:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: I want to walk around with this bird, with a bear on my back.
• 35:48
  Tad Eggleston: I should turn the… I'm trying to do a crazy angle rather than just, like, moving the laptop.
• 35:55
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Honestly, but I think you made the right choice, because I had to go remind myself what Nightmare Creatures even was.
• 36:02
  Dillon Gilbertson: It looks like garbage.
• 36:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: the…
• 36:06
  Dillon Gilbertson: That might just be, like, the, the, you know, the result of time.
• 36:11
  Tad Eggleston: But also, you were in middle school, so, like, Nightmare vs. Banjo, that's why your friends gave.
• 36:17
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, but it was bad, it was… yeah, well…
• 36:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: I mean, I… I… I mean, don't get me wrong, when I was in middle school, like, I was also very into nightmare creatures.
• 36:28
  Dillon Gilbertson: I had rented it from… from Blockbuster a couple times.
• 36:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: But then, I don't know, Banjo-Kazooie was just a much better game, and I was very into it. Played a lot of it. Collected all the jiggies.
• 36:40
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean, like, that makes sense to me. I'm not saying, like, you know, Nightmare Creatures was terrible at the time, though, I never played it, so I don't fully know.
• 36:51
  Dillon Gilbertson: Alright, let's the only one.
• 36:51
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Honestly, I… I can also say I never played Banjo-Kazooie, which is kind of strange, since that actually seems like something I would have…
• 36:59
  Dillon Gilbertson: I think they remade it for a bit, or for something. I'm looking at, looking at Tad's laptop now, and is this a dead man? Looks like it's drawn by the animators of Rick and Morty, this dead man you got on here.
• 37:10
  Tad Eggleston: Well, not quite. It's drawn by Kyle Starks, who's done some of the Rick and Morty.
• 37:15
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, okay, yeah, that checks out.
• 37:17
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:18
  Tad Eggleston: It's from his sticker club, as is…
• 37:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: The Absolute Wonder Woman.
• 37:23
  Tad Eggleston: As is the Absolute Wonder Woman, yeah.
• 37:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: Perfect, love it, love it.
• 37:26
  Peter Eggleston Connor: move.
• 37:27
  Dillon Gilbertson: What is this Shank SpaghettiOs?
• 37:30
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, jim Terry… Made a movie last year.
• 37:36
  Tad Eggleston: Okay. Jim Terry, the comic artist that works with, with,
• 37:42
  Tad Eggleston: Tim Seeley a lot, and did Come Home Indio. Did a movie called Shank.
• 37:48
  Tad Eggleston: And… and it… it had… it had SpaghettiOs in it.
• 37:52
  Tad Eggleston: And at one of the screenings that I went to.
• 37:56
  Tad Eggleston: They gave away the sticker with the SpaghettiOs.
• 37:59
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:00
  Dillon Gilbertson: Here, I'm gonna send you a picture of mine as well. This is great, this is great audio content, us showing.
• 38:04
  Tad Eggleston: It is, isn't it?
• 38:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: Stickers on our laptop.
• 38:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: Love it.
• 38:09
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean, people have gotten, like, things like Wonder Woman and, you know…
• 38:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 38:15
  Tad Eggleston: Actually, the…
• 38:16
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Morty out of it.
• 38:18
  Tad Eggleston: The newest sticker that I put on it that Kelly just got me and I just loved was,
• 38:24
  Tad Eggleston: the… the… you see the one up in the corner next to Free Speech that says, I'm silently creating a spreadsheet for that?
• 38:36
  Dillon Gilbertson: That's great. So I see that you got Jeff on here.
• 38:40
  Tad Eggleston: Yep.
• 38:40
  Dillon Gilbertson: If we… so, when we were writing issue 3 of Necromancer, We…
• 38:45
  Tad Eggleston: Yours is very cool, too.
• 38:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: I love… I'm obsessed with every single sticker I have on my laptop, and it's unfortunate because there's too many, and I've had to cover some of them.
• 38:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, they're starting to cross over. I'm reaching that point, too, where it's like, how much more can I fit?
• 39:02
  Peter Eggleston Connor: You got Appa on there, which is super sweet, and then you got your fucking awesome My Neighbor Necromancer.
• 39:09
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Stickers.
• 39:11
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I don't know that I… I can't disagree with you, like…
• 39:14
  Tad Eggleston: this.
• 39:15
  Peter Eggleston Connor: What do you do other than… is that Spider Punk? Yeah, that looks like Spider-Punk!
• 39:20
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, the antagonized Fascist sticker.
• 39:22
  Tad Eggleston: This is… this is why a lot of my stickers go on my comic boxes, because if I fill one up, I can just buy another.
• 39:30
  Dillon Gilbertson: There's way more room on there, too.
• 39:32
  Tad Eggleston: Well, no, I put them on a… not the, like, short boxes, but, like, the… I mean, there is more room, but… but, like, the hard cases that you can take to the shop to bring your stuff home with you?
• 39:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 39:43
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:44
  Tad Eggleston: Those… those are the ones that I fill up with stickers.
• 39:46
  Dillon Gilbertson: I got you.
• 39:47
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Nice.
• 39:48
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, here, I have… I have one within reach.
• 39:51
  Tad Eggleston: This is the one… this isn't even done, it's got some…
• 39:54
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, yeah.
• 39:55
  Tad Eggleston: stuff, and it's.
• 39:57
  Dillon Gilbertson: That's cool.
• 39:58
  Tad Eggleston: Some… some booger bear, and some… Oh my god.
• 40:03
  Dillon Gilbertson: Booker Bear.
• 40:04
  Tad Eggleston: Booger Bear is my friend… my friend Andrew's character. It's got Mary Tyler Moorhawk.
• 40:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh yeah, that's sick!
• 40:12
  Tad Eggleston: You know, it's got, it's got the bean, carabines bean.
• 40:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yep.
• 40:20
  Dillon Gilbertson: Another one of those free press, free speech ones on there?
• 40:22
  Tad Eggleston: Yep. It's got,
• 40:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 40:26
  Tad Eggleston: Writer's Guild.
• 40:28
  Tad Eggleston: strike sticker.
• 40:29
  Tad Eggleston: It's got, Spencer Ackerman's Iron Man Against Security.
• 40:35
  Tad Eggleston: national security sticker, it's got a Nicole Goo… Sticker.
• 40:43
  Tad Eggleston: I like… I like the panda ones, though, from Jesse Lanigan. That was before he started putting them in a comic book.
• 40:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: I love those.
• 40:51
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 40:52
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, generally before I stop putting stickers on these, I fill up, like, the whole front, the whole back, and often.
• 41:00
  Tad Eggleston: All of this part and this.
• 41:02
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, yeah.
• 41:03
  Tad Eggleston: And then it's time to get another.
• 41:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: And those are seeker stickers, that's… that's a great… yeah.
• 41:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, so…
• 41:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: Some… some behind-the-scenes from Issue 3 of Necromancer. We… when we were writing that, well, when I was writing it, and Jason was drawing it, Jeff… Jeff, the land shark was having his big moment, and he was exploding, and everybody…
• 41:24
  Tad Eggleston: He's still having his big.
• 41:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: That's what I'm saying, he's very popular.
• 41:28
  Tad Eggleston: I love Jeff.
• 41:29
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, I also love Jeff. I'm obsessed with Jeff. Doug's name was originally Jeff.
• 41:34
  Tad Eggleston: Kelly will be happy to hear that you're also obsessed with Jeff.
• 41:39
  Dillon Gilbertson: Legitimate.
• 41:39
  Tad Eggleston: She's so pleased with the number of people who love Jeff.
• 41:43
  Dillon Gilbertson: We were… so when we were writing Issue 3, Doug, the mailman, his original name was Jeff. And I was like… and I was like, we can't…
• 41:51
  Dillon Gilbertson: We can't. We gotta change his name. There can't be another Jeff, because there's only one Jeff, and he's Jeff the Landshark, and so we had… we… so we changed his name. I won't admit that anywhere else but here, but… Oh, look at him!
• 42:03
  Tad Eggleston: See, Jeff?
• 42:06
  Tad Eggleston: I got Jeff up on my wall.
• 42:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, there he is.
• 42:10
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I believe you.
• 42:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: I keep talking so it doesn't show for Peter, and then Peter keeps talking so it doesn't show for me.
• 42:19
  Peter Eggleston Connor: No, you're fine. I mean, like, I…
• 42:21
  Tad Eggleston: We're back in the corner so you can.
• 42:23
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I see it now, I see it, okay, I see it. It's… it's… it took me a little while, because it's, like, far away, and then…
• 42:30
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. It is… it is one of the three full-size posters, though. The three full-size posters are… are…
• 42:38
  Tad Eggleston: The movie poster for Professor Marston and the Wonder Women, which was drawn by Terry Moore.
• 42:46
  Tad Eggleston: The Lovin' Rockets 40.
• 42:49
  Tad Eggleston: And it's Jeff.
• 42:51
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's Jeff. It's always Jeff.
• 42:53
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:55
  Dillon Gilbertson: Jeff forever and ever. It's Jeff's all the way down.
• 42:58
  Tad Eggleston: Hmm.
• 42:59
  Tad Eggleston: The prints are mostly smaller.
• 43:04
  Tad Eggleston: But I got a Dennis Cowan, and a Klaus Jansen, and a Chyna Flores, and a Damon Hampton, and then over there, I've got…
• 43:16
  Tad Eggleston: Chris Schweiser's 3 Indiana Jones posters, and Kyle Stark's Indiana Jones scene.
• 43:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh.
• 43:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. I've got Becky Clunan's Pearl Jam poster.
• 43:27
  Dillon Gilbertson: I have not seen that.
• 43:32
  Tad Eggleston: Mmm… da-da-da-da.
• 43:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, that's cool!
• 43:37
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 43:38
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, no, your screen's getting too dark, I can't see it. Is that Josh Scheer on your television?
• 43:43
  Dillon Gilbertson: mythical.
• 43:44
  Tad Eggleston: Baby.
• 43:45
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's just…
• 43:45
  Tad Eggleston: Netflix… Screensaver playing right now.
• 43:50
  Peter Eggleston Connor: -Oh.
• 43:51
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah.
• 43:51
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Look a little bit like Josh.
• 43:54
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I don't know what you're talking about, Dillon.
• 43:56
  Dillon Gilbertson: Definitely Mythical Chef Josh.
• 43:57
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Mythical Chef Josh.
• 43:59
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, Becky Clunan's…
• 44:01
  Tad Eggleston: I've got a Ramon Perez print that's… that's like a jazz version of Logan and Aurora.
• 44:11
  Tad Eggleston: So, so Logan, I think, has… Is he the saxophone?
• 44:15
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Logan? Or maybe it's trumpet.
• 44:19
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Logan's got a trumpet, and Aurora's at the mic, so it's like… it's like this smoky jazz version of…
• 44:26
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:27
  Tad Eggleston: Logan and Aurora.
• 44:29
  Tad Eggleston: And then I've got a couple of, of…
• 44:32
  Tad Eggleston: Mark Chiarello baseball pictures, a Josh Gibson print, and a three-finger Brown original, and I've got a headshot from Elsa Chardier that she did for me.
• 44:42
  Tad Eggleston: just… Dealer's choice, so I don't even know if it's a character at all.
• 44:46
  Dillon Gilbertson: Veritable museum of amazing art, and you're in your room there.
• 44:50
  Tad Eggleston: I now have 3… I just got 3 David Lapham pages that I need to frame and figure out where I'm putting.
• 44:58
  Dillon Gilbertson: So, so, to, to… So, Jack Foster… did, apologies.
• 45:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: Jack Foster did original watercolor art for his section in Necromancer Issue 3.
• 45:14
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 45:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: And so we… we offered a bunch of the pages.
• 45:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: Or a bunch of the panels that he had ready, in that Kickstarter. But he had more.
• 45:26
  Dillon Gilbertson: And so, he gave them to me at Comic-Con this year, and we are also going to have those as rewards.
• 45:32
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, cool.
• 45:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: on Issue 4. And so, if you read issue 3 and you loved Jack's work, which, like.
• 45:39
  Dillon Gilbertson: Be hard-pressed to find someone who doesn't.
• 45:40
  Tad Eggleston: Is he the children's book illustrator?
• 45:44
  Tad Eggleston: Illustrator?
• 45:45
  Dillon Gilbertson: No…
• 45:47
  Tad Eggleston: No?
• 45:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: I don't believe Jack's done too much children's book stuff.
• 45:51
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, then it's a different Jack Foster?
• 45:54
  Tad Eggleston: I mean… I'm just looking at Jack Foster's.
• 45:56
  Dillon Gilbertson: I mean, unless Jack Foster has a secret… secret books that I don't know about, in which case I'm gonna be very upset that he didn't tell me about them.
• 46:04
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Please,
• 46:05
  Tad Eggleston: There is a jack.
• 46:06
  Peter Eggleston Connor: My Neighbor Necromancer is, like, the part where they're telling the story.
• 46:09
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, the flashback secret.
• 46:11
  Tad Eggleston: This eyeballs, Jack falls?
• 46:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yep, reckless eyeballs, that's it.
• 46:15
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 46:15
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yep, he does. He's most known for his book called Gun.
• 46:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: Which is very good, I recommend checking it out. It's about, like, henchmen, like, the lives of the henchmen of, of evil…
• 46:32
  Dillon Gilbertson: Of evil supervillains.
• 46:34
  Tad Eggleston: Cool.
• 46:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: But yeah, so his original artwork for…
• 46:40
  Dillon Gilbertson: Issue 3 are… is going to be available as rewards. It's the original art, and so they're all one of one.
• 46:47
  Tad Eggleston: A 101.
• 46:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: And what reminded me of that is you saying all this cool art that you have on your wall, and I…
• 46:54
  Tad Eggleston: Only, only two of which are one of one on the wall so far, so…
• 46:59
  Dillon Gilbertson: I'm having a hard time deciding which one of Jack's panels I need to keep for myself.
• 47:04
  Tad Eggleston: I…
• 47:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: I need to keep one.
• 47:06
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 47:06
  Dillon Gilbertson: Right now, every single panel that he did is now on the Kickstarter as a reward, and I need to decide if I'm willing to.
• 47:13
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you gotta pick one and take one down.
• 47:15
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, because I said… I think I sent you…
• 47:18
  Tad Eggleston: You got… you got, like, 12 days to… to pick one and take it down.
• 47:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, I,
• 47:23
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean, realistically, you got 10 days.
• 47:28
  Dillon Gilbertson: I'm sure.
• 47:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:31
  Dillon Gilbertson: Don't ruin… don't make me more upset than I already am. Don't make me more anxious about it.
• 47:36
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Don't worry, I'll send you a reminder every day for 10 days, or like, hey, hey, hey, hey, Dillon, have you taken one out yet? Have you taken one out yet? I wonder what's going on, you know.
• 47:47
  Dillon Gilbertson: There's.
• 47:48
  Peter Eggleston Connor: There's… are others.
• 47:49
  Peter Eggleston Connor: There's three of them.
• 47:50
  Dillon Gilbertson: that I'm trying to decide between. So there's one where, where death is handing his scythe to the farmer, and it's just.
• 47:58
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that's…
• 47:59
  Dillon Gilbertson: a close-up of him handing the scythe to him, and that one is so cool.
• 48:03
  Dillon Gilbertson: The other one is,
• 48:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: is the farmer standing before death, holding his dead son. And it feels like this really defiant, cool moment, that, like, when you've had enough, that you're going to confront death itself, because…
• 48:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: you can't take it anymore, and I think that's a really powerful moment.
• 48:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: And then there's another one that is just the shot, right after…
• 48:27
  Dillon Gilbertson: right after the farmer strikes down Death, and he's falling, and you can… and his skull is just, like, falling into his robe, and it's so… like, the flow of the robe makes it look like he's… it…
• 48:39
  Tad Eggleston: There is a solution, Dylan.
• 48:41
  Dillon Gilbertson: Looks like take them all down and keep them.
• 48:43
  Tad Eggleston: I was gonna say, things…
• 48:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: everything.
• 48:45
  Tad Eggleston: Things go well on walls in threes.
• 48:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: I mean, yeah, but, like, I wanna… I want people to have them. I don't wanna be selfish. I'm going to keep one of them.
• 48:56
  Dillon Gilbertson: I'm going to keep… I'm going to be selfish enough to keep one, but I want… I want other people to also see and have these.
• 49:03
  Tad Eggleston: That's fair. How many are there?
• 49:06
  Dillon Gilbertson: Let's see, how many are there left that are up there? There's those 3, there's…
• 49:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: there's the portraits one. There's one, so there's a sequence in the flashback where you're getting to look at all the things…
• 49:22
  Tad Eggleston: The real question is, are there six or more? Because if you're keeping less than half, you're still…
• 49:27
  Dillon Gilbertson: I don't… I don't think there's more than 6.
• 49:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, okay. It would be better if there were, like, 9, because then you keeping a third.
• 49:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: There's… I think there's only 5 now.
• 49:38
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, then you might only want to take one.
• 49:40
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, those are the only ones Jack had left, because all of the ones previously were sold in the previous Kickstarter.
• 49:47
  Tad Eggleston: Gotcha, gotcha.
• 49:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: And so these are the only 5 left, and now we have to sell them.
• 49:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. That's fair.
• 49:56
  Tad Eggleston: But… but take good pictures of them.
• 49:58
  Dillon Gilbertson: I really… Jack did a great job taking pictures, but he didn't take pictures of… I had to take pictures of some of them, and now I'm embarrassed that my pictures are much worse than his. I did the best I could.
• 50:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: Everyone who sees the Kickstarter, please forgive me, because I did the best that I could.
• 50:16
  Peter Eggleston Connor: For sure.
• 50:17
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Is there anything else, like, I don't… I'm not saying we're at the end or anything, but I'm just curious, is there anything, like, any specific thing you want to call out right here on air, Dillon?
• 50:28
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I was about… I was gonna go there. This seems like the point to wrap up Necromancer, and then we'll do some closing questions and babble a little bit. So, any other big point about the Kickstarter we should know?
• 50:47
  Dillon Gilbertson: Please back it.
• 50:49
  Tad Eggleston: Fuck yeah! Back it twice!
• 50:51
  Tad Eggleston: If you haven't gotten the first three issues, will they be available again?
• 50:56
  Dillon Gilbertson: If what? Oh, yes, yeah, all… so yeah, every… every issue.
• 50:59
  Tad Eggleston: There will be completionist tariffs.
• 51:01
  Dillon Gilbertson: There will be completion.
• 51:02
  Tad Eggleston: People who are behind?
• 51:03
  Dillon Gilbertson: Absolutely, there'll be…
• 51:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: Issue 1 through 3 is also available, and so if you're new to this series, don't worry, we got you covered. You can still read all of them. We have them in physical and digital formats, and so if digital.
• 51:15
  Tad Eggleston: And there's only… there's only a slight, you know…
• 51:18
  Tad Eggleston: penalty for… for having… having waited so long. It's only, like, an extra $1,000 per issue, no big deal.
• 51:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. Throwing a cool 3,000.
• 51:29
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Go listen to Tad!
• 51:31
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 51:32
  Tad Eggleston: This is why I don't run Kickstarter.
• 51:34
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Grace you!
• 51:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah. I mean.
• 51:36
  Tad Eggleston: And one of them's a number one! Number 1s are important!
• 51:40
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yep.
• 51:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I guess. I mean, like, I'm not saying they're not!
• 51:46
  Tad Eggleston: No, Dillon.
• 51:47
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's really nice of the…
• 51:48
  Tad Eggleston: me. He doesn't… he doesn't charge a…
• 51:52
  Tad Eggleston: You didn't back my previous Kickstarters fee.
• 51:56
  Tad Eggleston: No.
• 51:56
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean, it also doesn't seem like a great plan if you're trying to kickstart.
• 52:06
  Tad Eggleston: You guys in your business sense.
• 52:11
  Dillon Gilbertson: Well, you save, you save those kind of tactics for the last one.
• 52:16
  Dillon Gilbertson: Because then you already made it that far, and now you can charge whatever you want, right?
• 52:20
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh…
• 52:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: No.
• 52:22
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That depends on how well you do.
• 52:25
  Tad Eggleston: Depends on how many issues of one you want to keep in your garage for the next 10 years.
• 52:30
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, so the other thing that we have, so we have retailer tiers as well. And so, for comic shops, we always offer a retailer tier that's a large bundle of the books at a discounted price to have in shops, because we have a few comic shops who are amazing supporters of ours, and so they always wear.
• 52:50
  Tad Eggleston: You wanna shout out your comic shop supporters?
• 52:52
  Dillon Gilbertson: Kamikaze in San Diego, is an amazing shop. They've always
• 52:58
  Dillon Gilbertson: stocked my stuff, and so if you ever want to get physical copies of anything that I've written, you can hit them up, and if they don't have it in.
• 53:05
  Tad Eggleston: While you're at San Diego Comic-Con.
• 53:07
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, it's the perfect time. I usually go there. If you go there at the right time during Comic-Con, you will see me there, because I'm usually hanging out there during the off times.
• 53:15
  Tad Eggleston: Cool, cool.
• 53:16
  Dillon Gilbertson: Rubber Chicken Comics here in Bellingham, is another great one.
• 53:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: More fun comics in Ashland, it's another great one. So yeah…
• 53:26
  Tad Eggleston: still there?
• 53:28
  Dillon Gilbertson: No, it actually recently closed, but I'm gonna sing their pre… Iguana Comics, I think, was also one, that, that supported us.
• 53:36
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I'm closed down? That's unfortunate.
• 53:38
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 53:38
  Tad Eggleston: I thought it had.
• 53:40
  Dillon Gilbertson: I love… the guy who ran More Fun…
• 53:43
  Dillon Gilbertson: was such a character. I loved him.
• 53:45
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 53:46
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, that was one of my favorite parts about my, my… Trip to see my dad.
• 53:52
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 53:53
  Tad Eggleston: It was… I think I went to more fun, like, almost every day I was in town.
• 53:57
  Dillon Gilbertson: He, I remember going there with, with Kevin. Peter knows Kevin. We went in there one time, and, like, Kevin wanted to know how… what the dimensions of the long boxes were.
• 54:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: And he goes, he goes, hey, can I ask, how long are the long boxes? And he's like… he's flipping through a magazine, and he's just not… he doesn't want to interact with Kevin. He's like, he just goes, twice as long as the shorter ones.
• 54:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's not helpful, sir.
• 54:29
  Peter Eggleston Connor: -Oh.
• 54:30
  Tad Eggleston: And then he had… I did.
• 54:31
  Dillon Gilbertson: He had a drawer.
• 54:32
  Tad Eggleston: I did.
• 54:32
  Dillon Gilbertson: clock on his wall as well, and and I… the first time I saw it, I was like, hey, there's, like, what's this… what's this clock on your wall? And he's like, that's not a clock.
• 54:41
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's an homage. Like, okay, my bad. My bad, guy, you're right.
• 54:47
  Tad Eggleston: I… I thought he had a fantastic graphic novel selection. He introduced me to Dylan Horrocks, as… as a…
• 54:57
  Tad Eggleston: cartoonist, not personally. Dillon lives in New Zealand, that would have been hard.
• 55:03
  Tad Eggleston: And he also had, what was it, the…
• 55:07
  Tad Eggleston: free comic thing, where, like, for every…
• 55:11
  Tad Eggleston: $10 you spent, you got to pick a comic out of his box of…
• 55:16
  Tad Eggleston: I got, like, 5 original issues of Bone from his… Like, pick a comic box.
• 55:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, yeah, so I think our friend Kevin got, like, some original of, Long Halloween he had back there.
• 55:31
  Tad Eggleston: Right, right.
• 55:32
  Dillon Gilbertson: You got… you have the craziest comics here that you're just like… Yeah.
• 55:37
  Tad Eggleston: Spend… spend 40 bucks, get 4 free issues of Bone.
• 55:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 55:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: Crazy. Yeah, I miss that shop so much that we went there all the time when.
• 55:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 55:49
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah.
• 55:50
  Tad Eggleston: it, it was…
• 55:51
  Peter Eggleston Connor: So…
• 55:52
  Tad Eggleston: it was… I… I definitely enjoyed the, the store. And, and…
• 55:59
  Tad Eggleston: I only knew… well, I mean…
• 56:03
  Tad Eggleston: I only had heard that it closed, because I think I sent somebody to look for something there, and they…
• 56:12
  Tad Eggleston: said it… they didn't see it there. But on the flip side, like, it's not saying that it's closed on Google, so who knows?
• 56:20
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oops.
• 56:21
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe they just couldn't find the door to walk up the stairs.
• 56:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: That's good.
• 56:25
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean, it was not the easiest,
• 56:29
  Tad Eggleston: No, you had to… you had to find the street door and walk up the stairs.
• 56:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: I think he lived in there, too. He had, like, a bed and stuff in the back.
• 56:37
  Tad Eggleston: That's possible.
• 56:38
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Lived in… wow.
• 56:40
  Dillon Gilbertson: Like, living in a coffee shop?
• 56:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: Sounds like the dream.
• 56:44
  Tad Eggleston: I mean… as I look at it, it looks like…
• 56:50
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, their Instagram is still live.
• 56:54
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, I don't know. It, it, it, Google or Yelp is saying it's… Still active.
• 57:01
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 57:02
  Dillon Gilbertson: What's the rating on Yelp? I don't… if it's lower than… if it's lower than 4 stars, I'm calling Yelp and…
• 57:11
  Peter Eggleston Connor: It's got 4.4.
• 57:13
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 57:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: I'll take it.
• 57:16
  Dillon Gilbertson: I love more fun.
• 57:18
  Tad Eggleston: It's got 4.7 on Google.
• 57:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: Great.
• 57:21
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Leave that.
• 57:24
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I do not like that.
• 57:26
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I have a, protective provider that keeps changing my…
• 57:34
  Peter Eggleston Connor: preference away from Google to Yahoo.
• 57:40
  Dillon Gilbertson: Boo.
• 57:43
  Peter Eggleston Connor: We're keeping you protected! I'm like, I don't think that you're keeping me protected, but… have not…
• 57:49
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't know, does Yahoo Maps recognize Lake America? Because if they don't, then maybe you are being protected.
• 57:58
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, does Google Maps recognize.
• 58:00
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's a good litmus test for your search engine.
• 58:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: What's Jeeves?
• 58:05
  Tad Eggleston: Google Maps has recognized it, Apple caved over the weekend, but MapQuest… MapQuest recognizes Lake Ontario.
• 58:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: MapQuest is the real one. We can always depend on MapQuest.
• 58:21
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 58:22
  Dillon Gilbertson: Gosh, through a lot of hard times in road trips.
• 58:26
  Dillon Gilbertson: Printing… printing out these 40-page instructions.
• 58:30
  Tad Eggleston: Destruction.
• 58:31
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's right. I think, like, I remember more of one comics, and I remember, like, always, like, thinking, oh, I should go hang out there more, and now I remember it always closed at, like, 5pm.
• 58:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 58:43
  Tad Eggleston: It does have…
• 58:43
  Dillon Gilbertson: the worst, huh.
• 58:44
  Tad Eggleston: Hours for a.
• 58:45
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah. It's probably because he's gotta eat dinner, and he lives in.
• 58:48
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 58:50
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Wow, boy. I mean, like… I have no idea. I just know that…
• 58:55
  Peter Eggleston Connor: it is… was always, like, I'd go there, it would be closed. Also, it was closed on Sunday. It's closed on Sunday, so I was like…
• 59:03
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Well…
• 59:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: I always… yeah, I always think… thought of the guy who worked… who owned it.
• 59:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: as, like, the… the… the surly guy who had a heart of gold, because I remember… I remember, too, because, like, we didn't have money in college, and, like, I was so broke, like, I couldn't… I couldn't buy comics. Like, even the back issue stuff, that was, like, incredibly cheap.
• 59:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: Like, I couldn't afford comics a lot of the time. I went in there when I could, and could buy them, but there were a couple times I'd go there with friends who were gonna buy comics, but I couldn't.
• 59:34
  Dillon Gilbertson: in, like.
• 59:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: He would… he would let me just read the books that were… like, there was a chair there to sit in and wait.
• 59:40
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 59:41
  Dillon Gilbertson: And he would let me read some of the new issues that came out, and, like, not… not get mad at me for…
• 59:47
  Dillon Gilbertson: For reading.
• 59:48
  Tad Eggleston: Well, good comic shops are like that, like…
• 59:50
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 59:53
  Tad Eggleston: Good comic shops want readers, not…
• 59:57
  Dillon Gilbertson: I mean, you… I mean, they do need customers, though. People gotta pay us.
• 1:00:00
  Tad Eggleston: They do need…
• 1:00:00
  Dillon Gilbertson: Or your local college.
• 1:00:01
  Tad Eggleston: Customers, they do need customers. I'm not saying that, like, you shouldn't buy or whatnot, but, like…
• 1:00:07
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:11
  Tad Eggleston: People who stop reading comics when they're broke aren't guaranteed to start reading comics again when they aren't.
• 1:00:17
  Dillon Gilbertson: That's the truth, that's true, yeah.
• 1:00:20
  Tad Eggleston: People who aren't quite broke, but don't have a lot of expendable income, are more likely to buy if they read enough to go, oh, I really like this.
• 1:00:30
  Tad Eggleston: Rather than buying on spec.
• 1:00:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: Also, if you are not able to support the My Neighbor Necromancer Kickstarter enough to get an issue of the comic book.
• 1:00:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: One, we have, we have a, just like a low $3 tier, just to get your name in the book, if you want, if you're able to support in that way.
• 1:00:53
  Dillon Gilbertson: But if you're… if you just don't have the funds to support it, like, we also want people to read our books, and so if you… I shouldn't say this when I want people to back a Kickstarter, but, like, DM me or message me, and, like.
• 1:01:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: I'm more than happy to send you… send you a digital copy if you want to check.
• 1:01:08
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, we'll see about getting PDFs out. Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 1:01:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you know.
• 1:01:14
  Tad Eggleston: And if I recall correctly, your PDF tier's really reasonable, too.
• 1:01:19
  Dillon Gilbertson: I think so. I would like to think so.
• 1:01:21
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:01:23
  Dillon Gilbertson: So yeah, anyway.
• 1:01:27
  Tad Eggleston: So, alright, closing questions.
• 1:01:31
  Tad Eggleston: I think one of them gets to be new for you. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, because I now have two closing questions.
• 1:01:39
  Dillon Gilbertson: some good stuff.
• 1:01:40
  Tad Eggleston: Now, one, you've had to answer all of the times you've been on, and one is… one is new for you.
• 1:01:45
  Tad Eggleston: So… This is year 5 of this podcast.
• 1:01:52
  Tad Eggleston: I think you've… you've been around for most of them.
• 1:01:55
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, I was gonna say.
• 1:01:55
  Tad Eggleston: mine.
• 1:01:56
  Dillon Gilbertson: I realized it was that new when I first jumped in.
• 1:01:58
  Tad Eggleston: We might have still been in the first year. But yeah, no, like, late October, early November, we hit our fifth anniversary.
• 1:02:06
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, congrats! That's cool.
• 1:02:09
  Tad Eggleston: It's coming up fast. Yeah.
• 1:02:12
  Tad Eggleston: But I feel like I've, I've, like, entered the Twilight Zone.
• 1:02:16
  Tad Eggleston: the way my life has changed because of this podcast, the people that I count as friends, the experiences I've gotten to have, the things I've gotten to see, the things I've been a fly on the wall for, you know.
• 1:02:32
  Tad Eggleston: are just outstanding. You know, the number of things that, like, you've told 15-year-old me, oh, yeah, this is gonna be part of your life, I would have been like.
• 1:02:42
  Tad Eggleston: In what fucking universe? In what fucking universe is that gonna be part of my life?
• 1:02:49
  Tad Eggleston: But I find that that's true for, like, everybody in this business. Everybody in comics.
• 1:02:54
  Tad Eggleston: to a certain extent, everybody in the arts period, but definitely everybody in comics has those stories where, like, when they think back on them, they just kind of pinch themselves, and they're like, really? I spent a weekend with Will Eisner? That was from Durf Bechter recently.
• 1:03:11
  Tad Eggleston: Like, his very first con, he… he introduced himself to some guy that he didn't recognize, Will Eisner.
• 1:03:19
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, for sure.
• 1:03:23
  Tad Eggleston: And they wound up just hanging out all weekend.
• 1:03:27
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 1:03:28
  Tad Eggleston: Because that's the sort of thing that happens in comics, you know? There are so few barriers for entry, there are so few walls between…
• 1:03:41
  Tad Eggleston: So yeah, I've started… I've started collecting people's, like, surreal, pinch-themselves stories. Was that really what I… was… was it me that got to do that?
• 1:03:52
  Tad Eggleston: So… so share one of your… your crazy stories, and… and it doesn't have to be about, like.
• 1:03:58
  Tad Eggleston: my brother crashing your interview, and then you joining the Heavy Metal Book Club, because I know how special that was to you, but…
• 1:04:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: Damn.
• 1:04:06
  Tad Eggleston: You know, you're allowed to have more special things.
• 1:04:14
  Tad Eggleston: I still think of that every time.
• 1:04:15
  Dillon Gilbertson: It was so crazy to be…
• 1:04:17
  Tad Eggleston: Like, halfway through the interview, I'm like, oh, wait a minute, you did this book?
• 1:04:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 1:04:21
  Tad Eggleston: I can't remember. My brother said he was friends with either the writer or the artist of this book. Do you know a… and you're like, Eggleston?
• 1:04:30
  Dillon Gilbertson: Ignisius.
• 1:04:31
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, shit, man!
• 1:04:34
  Dillon Gilbertson: That was the wildest There'll never be a podcast, appearance that tops that.
• 1:04:42
  Dillon Gilbertson: I couldn't… I… like, I was literally beside myself, I couldn't believe it. And then… and then Peter jumped on.
• 1:04:48
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:04:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: Thank you.
• 1:04:49
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:04:50
  Dillon Gilbertson: And now, and now we do Heavy Metal Podcast.
• 1:04:53
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:04:54
  Peter Eggleston Connor: No apologize.
• 1:04:54
  Tad Eggleston: Peter and I had just started doing that with Matt, so, I mean, you…
• 1:04:58
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I think we did maybe, like, 3 of them without you? Maybe 4? Something like that.
• 1:05:02
  Dillon Gilbertson: like that?
• 1:05:02
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that was a new thing, but it's like, hey.
• 1:05:07
  Tad Eggleston: I've got an excuse for… I mean, because you guys were literally saying, we should talk more, and I'm like, I know how to make it, so you guys can talk more.
• 1:05:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yep, yep.
• 1:05:17
  Peter Eggleston Connor: There he goes.
• 1:05:20
  Dillon Gilbertson: So…
• 1:05:21
  Tad Eggleston: 22 panels, bringing college roommates back together.
• 1:05:26
  Dillon Gilbertson: You're not…
• 1:05:27
  Peter Eggleston Connor: my roommate.
• 1:05:28
  Dillon Gilbertson: Might as well.
• 1:05:29
  Tad Eggleston: Dormates.
• 1:05:30
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Okay, we might as well, man, but…
• 1:05:32
  Dillon Gilbertson: time together.
• 1:05:34
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah.
• 1:05:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: Let's see… So there's a couple, and I think… but neither of them quite maybe fit.
• 1:05:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: What you're looking for.
• 1:05:49
  Tad Eggleston: We don't have rules, dude.
• 1:05:51
  Dillon Gilbertson: So, so one of…
• 1:05:52
  Tad Eggleston: I know that about this podcast.
• 1:05:54
  Dillon Gilbertson: Fondest memories of a… Of a creator, a comic creator that, like, a legendary comic creator.
• 1:06:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: that I have is, there was a panel I attended with Grant Morrison.
• 1:06:12
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow.
• 1:06:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: And Grant Morrison, is weird.
• 1:06:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, it's fair to say.
• 1:06:21
  Dillon Gilbertson: He's in a…
• 1:06:22
  Tad Eggleston: I think… I think they would be the first ones to say that.
• 1:06:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yes.
• 1:06:27
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, Grant Morrison is eccentric, and I had… what had just come out? The return of Bruce Wayne had just wrapped up.
• 1:06:38
  Dillon Gilbertson: And, I… I was one of the people who really enjoyed the story, and so I wanted to ask.
• 1:06:46
  Dillon Gilbertson: Grant Morrison a question about the book.
• 1:06:49
  Dillon Gilbertson: And it was some… And I was nervous, because Grant Morrison was a comic book hero of mine.
• 1:06:57
  Tad Eggleston: And he's a wizard. They're a wizard, too, so, like…
• 1:06:59
  Dillon Gilbertson: Legitimate wizard. Like, not even joking, but legitimate wizard.
• 1:07:02
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:07:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: Alan Moore looks like a wizard, but Graham Morrison is a wizard.
• 1:07:08
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, Alan Moore is also a wizard, but, like… Yeah.
• 1:07:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: more the traditional Merlin sense.
• 1:07:15
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:07:17
  Dillon Gilbertson: Anyway, so I went up, and I asked, and I was so nervous, and I was mumbling and rambling.
• 1:07:23
  Dillon Gilbertson: And the question was something to the effect of whether or not Bruce… whether or not Darkseid was actually the person who consciously created Batman.
• 1:07:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: Purposefully as a weapon to travel through time to destroy the entire universe.
• 1:07:43
  Dillon Gilbertson: And he…
• 1:07:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: they… sorry, apologies. So, so they… so they… they… they sort of looked back and forth, and no… and the people on the… the other people on the panel, just thought it was a crazy question, and…
• 1:07:57
  Dillon Gilbertson: Grant Morrison… says simply, If you keep thinking like that, You'll soon be enlightened.
• 1:08:06
  Dillon Gilbertson: and…
• 1:08:07
  Dillon Gilbertson: That's such a Grant Morrison response. I'm not sure how much sense it made. The book had been wrapped up, and so all the answers were already there.
• 1:08:17
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:08:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: But the way I've always taken it is Grant Morrison giving me permission to think
• 1:08:26
  Dillon Gilbertson: and think weird things and to be weird. That is… if I… if I keep… if I keep…
• 1:08:34
  Dillon Gilbertson: Being weird, or having… having…
• 1:08:37
  Dillon Gilbertson: You know, going down weird rabbit holes, and thinking too hard about things, and just coming up with crazy…
• 1:08:43
  Dillon Gilbertson: fun stuff that, like… I don't know, they gave me permission to be weird, is always sort of the way I took it. And I don't know, I doubt that's maybe the way they intended it, but that's always the way I took it, and it's sort of a treasured memory that I have of a comic creator.
• 1:09:00
  Dillon Gilbertson: Influencing my life.
• 1:09:03
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense to me, just with everything I've ever known about you.
• 1:09:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah. Just like, if you… if you keep thinking the way you're thinking, you know.
• 1:09:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: You'll be enlightened, and things are gonna work out. And I love that.
• 1:09:17
  Dillon Gilbertson: The other one was just partying… partying with Doug Jones.
• 1:09:23
  Dillon Gilbertson: we went to, we got… we randomly got into this rooftop party at San Diego Comic-Con, and Doug Jones was there.
• 1:09:32
  Dillon Gilbertson: And we ended up just, like, hanging out and chatting with Doug Jones.
• 1:09:36
  Dillon Gilbertson: And I believe his wife the entire time.
• 1:09:39
  Dillon Gilbertson: And just had the best time. And then at the end, he kissed me on the cheek and told me to keep making him proud.
• 1:09:48
  Dillon Gilbertson: And there was very nice.
• 1:09:50
  Tad Eggleston: Nice.
• 1:09:50
  Dillon Gilbertson: precarious memory.
• 1:09:52
  Peter Eggleston Connor: That's a very, very…
• 1:09:54
  Dillon Gilbertson: So yeah, those are… those are the two that I got for you.
• 1:09:59
  Tad Eggleston: Those are good ones! Those are good ones!
• 1:10:01
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yep.
• 1:10:02
  Tad Eggleston: And they totally qualify.
• 1:10:04
  Tad Eggleston: The other things that qualify, I mean, it's not always, like, the famous creators. Sometimes it's, like, the first time somebody came up and…
• 1:10:14
  Tad Eggleston: was all over how much a book meant to somebody, or… I mean, I get all sorts of stories, that's what I like about it.
• 1:10:19
  Dillon Gilbertson: So, I'll never pass up a chance to share this story, then.
• 1:10:23
  Dillon Gilbertson: I have… I have with me, I keep a screenshot of it on my phone at all times. When I wrote Sweetheart.
• 1:10:33
  Dillon Gilbertson: was the first book I… was the first series that ever got published.
• 1:10:37
  Dillon Gilbertson: And, it was… it was a thinly veiled analogy for life with diabetes, right?
• 1:10:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: About this monster who follows your entire life and sort of makes your struggles misunderstood at some times, and, and just how…
• 1:10:54
  Dillon Gilbertson: how it never really leaves you alone, and it comes back at the worst of times, and things like that. And when the first issue came out.
• 1:11:01
  Dillon Gilbertson: I got an email from the mother of a young child who was also a type 1 diabetic, and she thanked me for it, and said that it finally
• 1:11:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: Her and her son were never able to talk about it without it, bringing up emotions, and like, they always… they… they would argue a lot.
• 1:11:23
  Dillon Gilbertson: And she never really quite understood what he was going through. And then when Sweetheart came out.
• 1:11:31
  Dillon Gilbertson: they both read it together, and it gave them a way to talk about it, and she thanked me for that, and that was the most, to this day, one of the most meaningful interactions I've ever had. It was over email. It was one of the.
• 1:11:45
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 1:11:45
  Dillon Gilbertson: meaningful interactions I've ever had, and so, that's…
• 1:11:50
  Dillon Gilbertson: why I like writing stories, is…
• 1:11:53
  Dillon Gilbertson: that's… that's what it is. Anyone who writes stories, regardless of how much they make doing it, or how often they do it, like, that's… that's what you're aiming for, is to connect with people like that, and that was really… that was really amazing.
• 1:12:10
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, last question. This one you have had before.
• 1:12:14
  Tad Eggleston: But also, you know, you're regular enough on 22 Panels, be careful, because you might wind up having us go, okay, we'll make a book club out of that.
• 1:12:23
  Tad Eggleston: Tell me something you love.
• 1:12:27
  Tad Eggleston: Preferably a comic, but we don't have rules.
• 1:12:31
  Tad Eggleston: Preferably storytelling, but again, with the rules.
• 1:12:34
  Tad Eggleston: Tell me something you love.
• 1:12:36
  Tad Eggleston: But not enough people around you have experienced?
• 1:12:40
  Tad Eggleston: And you'd really like them to, so that you have more people to talk about it with.
• 1:12:49
  Dillon Gilbertson: I have to struggle with this one every single time. I never remember how I…
• 1:12:53
  Tad Eggleston: Jim?
• 1:12:54
  Dillon Gilbertson: buddies. It's always so hard.
• 1:12:56
  Tad Eggleston: Everybody, everybody struggles with this one.
• 1:12:59
  Tad Eggleston: Most people love this one, but they also have to, like…
• 1:13:02
  Tad Eggleston: Think, and look at their bookshelves, and…
• 1:13:06
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah…
• 1:13:07
  Tad Eggleston: That's why it's such a great question. I'm proud of this question.
• 1:13:11
  Dillon Gilbertson: Do you remember what I said last time?
• 1:13:13
  Tad Eggleston: Not at all.
• 1:13:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: Not at all.
• 1:13:16
  Tad Eggleston: Which means that unless I immediately remember when you say it again, you could get away with saying it again.
• 1:13:23
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I feel like he could get away with saying it again either way.
• 1:13:27
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe. I generally don't.
• 1:13:28
  Dillon Gilbertson: I don't let people.
• 1:13:29
  Tad Eggleston: I'll do it if I, if I remember.
• 1:13:31
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, I see.
• 1:13:33
  Tad Eggleston: I'd like to get a new reading item.
• 1:13:41
  Peter Eggleston Connor: You should say forbidden juggle? No, don't let them in.
• 1:13:45
  Dillon Gilbertson: I'm… I'm reading.
• 1:13:46
  Tad Eggleston: Baby Bear Arm? We've already read that.
• 1:13:49
  Dillon Gilbertson: Baron, baby, yeah.
• 1:13:50
  Peter Eggleston Connor: arm, baby.
• 1:13:52
  Peter Eggleston Connor: There we are, baby, get it right!
• 1:13:54
  Tad Eggleston: Bare arm, baby!
• 1:13:55
  Dillon Gilbertson: human Matt, not related to… to Cat Matt the Cat, gave me that original…
• 1:14:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:14:03
  Dillon Gilbertson: art, which was really cool that I still have.
• 1:14:05
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Bye.
• 1:14:07
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I don't think it was the original, but that was…
• 1:14:10
  Dillon Gilbertson: He gave me… he gave.
• 1:14:11
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he gave prints to everybody, and he gave Dillon the original.
• 1:14:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah, okay.
• 1:14:14
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, man.
• 1:14:15
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, yeah.
• 1:14:16
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I don't think I got the original. I know Dillon did, but…
• 1:14:20
  Tad Eggleston: And I think he's reworking it for Kelly to make into a t-shirt, but we haven't done that yet.
• 1:14:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh my god, oh my gosh! That'd be so cool. I…
• 1:14:29
  Dillon Gilbertson: And part of me is mad that Bare Arm Baby is so popular that people love it so much, because…
• 1:14:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's… in a lot of ways, it's… I struggled… it's the worst thing I've ever written. Like, I… I was… like, I didn't…
• 1:14:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: I didn't…
• 1:14:45
  Dillon Gilbertson: I don't know, I wasn't a practiced writer at the time, I wasn't a disciplined writer, I was just writing it because it was fun.
• 1:14:52
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that just means that the reimagining of Bare Arm Baby, when you're in your 40s, will be…
• 1:14:59
  Dillon Gilbertson: I don't know.
• 1:14:59
  Tad Eggleston: Phenomenal.
• 1:15:00
  Dillon Gilbertson: I think… I think its charm is its deficiencies, though. It's got wabi-sabi. It's beautiful because of its flaws. And I think if I… if I do it again, it's not gonna be as beautiful, because it's gonna be shinier.
• 1:15:13
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, like…
• 1:15:14
  Tad Eggleston: They would be shy.
• 1:15:15
  Tad Eggleston: laws.
• 1:15:17
  Peter Eggleston Connor: all, like, these random concepts that you talk about in college are just so very charming that… I mean, like, I still remember Gravy Vision, I don't know.
• 1:15:28
  Dillon Gilbertson: Maybe vision, yeah.
• 1:15:29
  Peter Eggleston Connor: before?
• 1:15:30
  Dillon Gilbertson: We're thinking about gravy vision and beard vision today.
• 1:15:34
  Peter Eggleston Connor: There you go.
• 1:15:35
  Dillon Gilbertson: I was like, what's a wild… what's a… what's just, like, a fun, wild story that doesn't have to have, like, a deeper meaning, that could just be fun, wacky nonsense? And I was like, what about people that have…
• 1:15:43
  Dillon Gilbertson: the most useless superpowers, and then I, I mean, then I thought of Mystery men, but, like, something akin to Mystery men, but I was like, yeah, someone who has beard vision, or gravy vision.
• 1:15:54
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I also remember a detachable, body part.
• 1:15:58
  Dillon Gilbertson: Oh, yeah, there's the… I'm writing.
• 1:16:01
  Tad Eggleston: Was that based on the King Missile song?
• 1:16:05
  Dillon Gilbertson: No, yeah, no.
• 1:16:07
  Dillon Gilbertson: The other one I talked about, 2 days ago?
• 1:16:13
  Dillon Gilbertson: No, actually it was earlier today. I think I was texting with the Necromancy group chat.
• 1:16:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: About Humansi? Did I ever tell you about Humanzi?
• 1:16:23
  Peter Eggleston Connor: No, I don't think I've heard that one.
• 1:16:24
  Dillon Gilbertson: So we were in a genetics class, and we were learning about how similar humans and chimpanzees were, genetically.
• 1:16:31
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Oh, wow.
• 1:16:31
  Dillon Gilbertson: And it's like, it's a very small… a lot of really small changes to get from one to the other. I was like, so you could just be like…
• 1:16:39
  Dillon Gilbertson: born human to a family of normal chimpanzees with just, like, a couple genetic mutations. And so it's, like, a regular guy named Kevin or something who was born as a genetic mutant from chimps.
• 1:16:53
  Dillon Gilbertson: And he's just a dude. He's just a normal dude with a chimp family.
• 1:16:56
  Peter Eggleston Connor: Yeah, dude.
• 1:16:59
  Dillon Gilbertson: Marathon Baby was another one.
• 1:17:04
  Dillon Gilbertson: Anyway, so we're going down tracks of just really weird, stupid ideas.
• 1:17:07
  Tad Eggleston: I'm loving it.
• 1:17:09
  Peter Eggleston Connor: I mean, I don't… I think they're great, to be perfectly honest. I'm not saying that they will all make it into the comics, I don't know what will and what won't, but they are super amusing, even if, like.
• 1:17:23
  Peter Eggleston Connor: They're just like… Random thoughts.
• 1:17:26
  Dillon Gilbertson: That's… that's… that's their function, maybe. Maybe that's the purpose for why they exist, is just to be amusing.
• 1:17:32
  Tad Eggleston: They do sound like they could be the heart of a Patreon.
• 1:17:36
  Dillon Gilbertson: Maybe. Maybe one day. Patreon's hard. I do… I have a hard enough time, like, promoting my own social media. Like, I don't have a lot of followers, because I'm not on social media a lot.
• 1:17:45
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:17:46
  Dillon Gilbertson: And so I… Patreon just seems… is scary to me, like, I don't know how to… I don't know.
• 1:17:50
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I think it depends entirely on how you do it. If you just start putting your ideas up and say, show just enough of them to go, hey, if you want to actually see them, 5 bucks a month.
• 1:18:00
  Dillon Gilbertson: I am.
• 1:18:01
  Tad Eggleston: Damn.
• 1:18:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: There was another one… that I went a little bit further with.
• 1:18:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: So I wrote this sci-fi story called Albert 7.
• 1:18:18
  Dillon Gilbertson: About this chimp who… or this, this Reese's monkey from the… the flight… the, the space program.
• 1:18:27
  Dillon Gilbertson: Back in, like, the 60s, when they were launching dogs and chimps into space and stuff to see if they could survive there, or just, like, trying to… trying to reach space, basically, and…
• 1:18:37
  Dillon Gilbertson: That the, the… it was the same monkey that they just cloned over and over again, was my idea, and that it just made it genetically better every time, kind of like a doomsday situation, or not doomsday, yeah, doomsday situation.
• 1:18:54
  Dillon Gilbertson: And then, and then I was like, I could probably make this into a Detective Chimp-type story. And, like, that's how Detective Chimp sort of got smarter, and then there would be other versions of these creatures that they did the same thing to in the space program that were all sort of different genetically in different ways, and create a big murder mystery out of it and stuff. I thought that would be kind of fun.
• 1:19:14
  Dillon Gilbertson: So a thing that I wish people knew more about
• 1:19:20
  Dillon Gilbertson: So that I could talk about it more, or with them? Is that…
• 1:19:23
  Tad Eggleston: Talk with them, yeah.
• 1:19:26
  Tad Eggleston: Something you wish you had more people to talk about.
• 1:19:29
  Dillon Gilbertson: Something you.
• 1:19:29
  Tad Eggleston: You wish you had more people to… Talk with about it.
• 1:19:34
  Dillon Gilbertson: Yeah.
• 1:19:36
  Dillon Gilbertson: I am reading currently, I think I'm an issue or two behind, but I was reading a comic called Corpse Night.
• 1:19:44
  Dillon Gilbertson: Okay.
• 1:19:45
  Tad Eggleston: I am.
• 1:19:46
  Dillon Gilbertson: So, Corpse Night, is this really cool book, written by, Michael Chavez, and I think Matthew Roberts is the artist?
• 1:19:55
  Tad Eggleston: Sounds right.
• 1:19:57
  Dillon Gilbertson: And,
• 1:20:00
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's about this girl and her dad, like, get attacked by raiders, or something to that effect, and the dad dies, but then the dad comes back as, like, as a walking corpse to, like, protect his daughter in order to hide the fact that he's a corpse, that he's sort of clad in knight's armor.
• 1:20:20
  Dillon Gilbertson: And then they… Go on travels, and…
• 1:20:25
  Dillon Gilbertson: And, like, that… I mean, imagine… reading…
• 1:20:30
  Dillon Gilbertson: My Neighbor Necromancer, and then, like, you'll kind of get why I am into the concept of this book.
• 1:20:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:38
  Dillon Gilbertson: It's like, on a high… on a high concept level, it just sounds super cool, and then the art is incredible as well.
• 1:20:46
  Dillon Gilbertson: It… I… I'm… I don't balk at…
• 1:20:50
  Dillon Gilbertson: wordy comics, comics with walls of text. I think… I think those are… those are fine. Those serve their… their purpose, and there's nothing wrong with that. But I think there's something that I particularly enjoy about comics who use words so sparingly.
• 1:21:08
  Dillon Gilbertson: But still are able to elicit a strong emotional response, and I think Corpse Knight is one of those comics that is able to do that. And I think it's, I don't know, I think it's sort of a magic trick of a book, and I really enjoy it.
• 1:21:22
  Tad Eggleston: Very cool.
• 1:21:23
  Tad Eggleston: I like that pick, and now I'm gonna have to read more, because I've read the first issue.
• 1:21:28
  Tad Eggleston: But I haven't kept up with it yet.
• 1:21:31
  Dillon Gilbertson: The covers are also incredible. If you're someone.
• 1:21:33
  Tad Eggleston: They are.
• 1:21:34
  Dillon Gilbertson: who collects comics or buys comics for the covers, like, Corpse Night's gonna feed you real good. You're gonna be eating really well with Corpse Night.
• 1:21:42
  Tad Eggleston: So, well, Peter, thank you for co-hosting, and Dylan, thank you so much for joining us. The Kickstarter is for My Neighbor Necromancer, issue number 4. It'll kick off on September 15th, right?
• 1:21:58
  Dillon Gilbertson: That's right, yup.
• 1:22:00
  Tad Eggleston: September 15th?
• 1:22:01
  Tad Eggleston: So remember to… to hit that remind button right now. Remember that there are special 24- and 48-hour rewards, so you want to be on top of the book immediately to… to get all of the coolest stuff.
• 1:22:19
  Tad Eggleston: Again, for Dillon Gilbertson, this has been 22 Panels, and we will see you after the next page.