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- 0:05Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm christinaming it.
- 0:08Speaker 1: It's Thursday October nine, twenty twenty five. Three justices of
- 0:12Speaker 1: the New South Wales Supreme Court will today hand down
- 0:15Speaker 1: their decision on a bid by a pro Palestine group
- 0:18Speaker 1: to demonstrate at the Sydney Opera House. The Palestine Action
- 0:22Speaker 1: Group wants to assemble as many as ten thousand people
- 0:25Speaker 1: at the Opera House on Sunday, but the New South
- 0:27Speaker 1: Wales Police argued in court on Wednesday it's a public
- 0:31Speaker 1: safety disaster waiting to happen. Taxpayers will bail out Glencore's
- 0:37Speaker 1: Mount isaacopper smelter to the tune of six hundred million dollars,
- 0:41Speaker 1: but its Swiss bosses say it might still close before
- 0:44Speaker 1: the end of next year. Those stories alive right now
- 0:48Speaker 1: at the Australian dot Com dot a U. Chris Bowen
- 0:52Speaker 1: is at war with a group of environmentalists who say
- 0:55Speaker 1: Australia's renewables rollout is a mess. The Minister alleges this
- 1:00Speaker 1: reading misinformation about the sheer space needed to realize the
- 1:03Speaker 1: Albanese government's ambitious renewables plans, but he can't or won't
- 1:08Speaker 1: explain the numbers coming out of his own department. Today
- 1:13Speaker 1: we unpack the report and the response that's got everyone
- 1:16Speaker 1: scratching their heads. At the end of last month, The
- 1:24Speaker 1: Australian's Rural and Regional correspondent Matthew Denholm reported this.
- 1:29Speaker 2: The stunning scale of Australia's renewables rollout can be revealed.
- 1:34Speaker 2: One thousand projects costing one point three three trillion dollars,
- 1:38Speaker 2: including twenty five thousand more wind towers with forty five
- 1:43Speaker 2: thousand kilometers of associated roads, and two hundred and fifty
- 1:47Speaker 2: million solar panels on four hundred and six thousand hectares.
- 1:52Speaker 2: The figures Australia's first comprehensive glimpse of the true scale
- 1:56Speaker 2: of the renewables revolution, have been compiled by conservationists and
- 2:01Speaker 2: communities pushing for a better planned roll out.
- 2:05Speaker 1: Based on mapping done by rainforest Reserves Australia, the space
- 2:09Speaker 1: taken up by solar panels will need to increase from
- 2:11Speaker 1: just under thirty thousand hectares to more than four hundred
- 2:15Speaker 1: and thirty thousand to meet the Albanese government's renewables goals.
- 2:20Speaker 1: In his reporting, matt explained it like this.
- 2:23Speaker 2: Effectively equivalent to almost all of metropolitan Sydney, parts of
- 2:28Speaker 2: the Lower Blue Mountains and beyond Richmond and Campbelltown.
- 2:33Speaker 1: The same was done with wind turbines, this time using
- 2:36Speaker 1: the city of Brisbane to demonstrate the scale. On the
- 2:40Speaker 1: same day, Minister Chris Bowen posted this on social media.
- 2:45Speaker 3: Some anti renewable pro nuclear activists have worked out how
- 2:48Speaker 3: much land renewables will take and it's pretty confronting. Now
- 2:52Speaker 3: take the area equivalent to Sydney's metropolitan zign. Now, if
- 2:56Speaker 3: that was true, it would be around half of one
- 2:59Speaker 3: percent of Australia's land mass. But guess what doesn't stack up?
- 3:06Speaker 2: Wait? What so?
- 3:08Speaker 4: Chris Bowen, in his social media video shows the data
- 3:12Speaker 4: captured by The Australian and really he says, this is
- 3:16Speaker 4: not something that stacks up. In his words, Sarah Eisen
- 3:20Speaker 4: is a senior political reporter with The Australian. He says,
- 3:23Speaker 4: in reality, they have drastically overestimated the amount of space
- 3:28Speaker 4: we're going to need for these projects.
- 3:32Speaker 3: The New South Wales Agricultural Commissioner has looked at how
- 3:35Speaker 3: much land renewables will take based on the plans of
- 3:37Speaker 3: the Australian energy market operator, the people who actually run
- 3:40Speaker 3: the grit, and they found it's about four percent of
- 3:43Speaker 3: what is in the newspaper today.
- 3:46Speaker 1: So where did this twelve percent figure come from? Over
- 3:49Speaker 1: the past few days, the Australian has tried to get
- 3:52Speaker 1: to the bottom of it.
- 3:54Speaker 4: So The Australian asked Chris Bowen this exact question, because
- 3:58Speaker 4: it wasn't clear from the social media video. Twelve percent
- 4:01Speaker 4: is of very specific figure and what we were told was
- 4:04Speaker 4: that this figure comes from the New South Wales Agricultural
- 4:07Speaker 4: Commissioner's report, and we were sent that report. But what
- 4:11Speaker 4: that report focuses on is only New South Wales coverage.
- 4:15Speaker 4: A lot of the graphics, a lot of the charts
- 4:18Speaker 4: and everything says this is how much land mass in
- 4:20Speaker 4: New South Wales will be needed. Upon asking again how
- 4:25Speaker 4: that twelve percent figure was landed on, we did receive
- 4:28Speaker 4: an incredibly long response, but it didn't answer the question.
- 4:32Speaker 4: We have been able to determine that of the eight
- 4:36Speaker 4: hundred nine hundred odd projects that have been mapped, around
- 4:39Speaker 4: six or so are not going ahead. They've been discontinued
- 4:43Speaker 4: or paused, so there may be some merit in re
- 4:47Speaker 4: looking at that, but it still leaves the question open
- 4:50Speaker 4: of how the claim that what was represented by this
- 4:53Speaker 4: group and reported on by the Australian that that is
- 4:56Speaker 4: way overblown, that in fact, the reality is that the
- 4:59Speaker 4: land use twelve percent of that reporting half a dozen
- 5:02Speaker 4: projects that are paused at the moment or won't go ahead.
- 5:06Speaker 4: That still doesn't reduce that land mass enough to give
- 5:10Speaker 4: us the answer of how we got to that twelve
- 5:12Speaker 4: percent figure that keeps being used. We also asked if
- 5:19Speaker 4: in fact the Minister was confused by these two pieces
- 5:23Speaker 4: of data, if he did in fact mean that he
- 5:26Speaker 4: was referring to New South Wales specific data when our
- 5:29Speaker 4: reporting was about national data and that's also what the
- 5:31Speaker 4: mapping was showing. That wasn't responded to. We asked if
- 5:35Speaker 4: any kind of apology or attraction was necessary. Instead, we
- 5:39Speaker 4: heard that he was concerned about misinformation being spread by
- 5:43Speaker 4: this group and the sorts of links that this group
- 5:46Speaker 4: has to that nuclear anti renewable lobby or side of politics,
- 5:51Speaker 4: so to speak.
- 5:54Speaker 1: And here's the twist. Rainforest Reserves Australia has recently revised
- 5:58Speaker 1: its two year renewal mapping report to expand the space.
- 6:02Speaker 1: It says the government's renewables ambitions will require. The Conservation
- 6:07Speaker 1: Group now estimates existing and planned renewables projects like wind
- 6:11Speaker 1: and solar will cover more than four hundred and eighty
- 6:14Speaker 1: three thousand hectares nationally. What has been Chris Bowen's response
- 6:20Speaker 1: In the Department's response to that development.
- 6:24Speaker 4: The response is that there is even more concern now
- 6:28Speaker 4: that this data is very much publicly available. Now that
- 6:30Speaker 4: they can see all of that data, they have even
- 6:33Speaker 4: more concerns and believe they are even more flaws. We
- 6:36Speaker 4: have asked what they are. We are yet to receive
- 6:39Speaker 4: a response. It may still come. This is a very
- 6:41Speaker 4: large data set that's taken over two years to compile,
- 6:45Speaker 4: but it was something that in their perspective, only raised
- 6:48Speaker 4: more concern rather than say, prompting an apology or a
- 6:51Speaker 4: retraction about the original video from Crispawn.
- 6:57Speaker 1: Rainforest Reserves Australia fired back at Bowen's claim their calculations
- 7:02Speaker 1: were way off the mark. In a press release. They
- 7:04Speaker 1: called the claim unsupported, vague, unclear, and appears to mix
- 7:08Speaker 1: up the new South Wales only data with its national figures.
- 7:13Speaker 1: They told The Australian they're standing by their mapping and
- 7:16Speaker 1: have called on Chris Bowen to share his department's data
- 7:19Speaker 1: with them for review.
- 7:21Speaker 4: There are a lot of conservationists that are very positive
- 7:24Speaker 4: about this work. Christine Milner comes to mind as someone
- 7:27Speaker 4: who's saying we need to move away from colin gas,
- 7:30Speaker 4: as this group says we do as well, But she's
- 7:33Speaker 4: similarly concerned about this blind move towards large scale renewable
- 7:38Speaker 4: projects that maybe we're not considering the damage they're doing
- 7:42Speaker 4: because they're called renewable projects or clean energy projects, and
- 7:45Speaker 4: the worry that that's going to get away from us.
- 7:47Speaker 4: So you are hearing actually a fair bit of encouragement
- 7:50Speaker 4: from progressives and progressive circles for sure when it comes
- 7:54Speaker 4: to this kind of project.
- 7:58Speaker 1: Coming up. What about the other half of Chris Bowen's claims.
- 8:13Speaker 1: The mapping that informed the Australians reporting was done by
- 8:16Speaker 1: Queensland conservationist Stephen Nowakowski. He says he's been arrested for
- 8:21Speaker 1: his boots on the ground activism and ran for the
- 8:23Speaker 1: Greens in Cans in the early two thousands. Sarah Chris
- 8:29Speaker 1: Bowen said in the video posted to social media in
- 8:31Speaker 1: response to The Australians reporting that Stephen Nolakowski and Rainforest
- 8:35Speaker 1: Reserves Australia.
- 8:36Speaker 3: Are anti renewable pro nuclear activists.
- 8:40Speaker 1: Is Stephen Nolkowski or rainforest Reserves Australia either of those things,
- 8:44Speaker 1: anti renewables or pro nuclear.
- 8:47Speaker 4: Well, they're conservationists that are concerned about the rollout of
- 8:51Speaker 4: large scale renewable projects that come, as they say, potentially
- 8:55Speaker 4: at the costs of really rich ecological or agricultural land.
- 9:00Speaker 4: And now, like many conservationists, they are saying we need
- 9:03Speaker 4: to move away from coal and gas, there is no question,
- 9:06Speaker 4: but it cannot be at the expense of biodiversity. So
- 9:10Speaker 4: they're the sorts of people who are concerned about land
- 9:13Speaker 4: being impacted in such a way that it causes more
- 9:16Speaker 4: damage than relief when it comes to our push towards
- 9:18Speaker 4: net zero. I think maybe pro nuclear is something you
- 9:22Speaker 4: could argue. It was something that mister Nawakowski was quite
- 9:25Speaker 4: clear and transparent about that, despite this being a hard
- 9:27Speaker 4: thing to admit, he thought that maybe nuclear did need
- 9:29Speaker 4: to be considered, that it needed to be in the mix.
- 9:33Speaker 4: He's one of the few Australian conservationists that feel that way,
- 9:36Speaker 4: and he has been quite upfront about how it is
- 9:39Speaker 4: somewhat of a turnaround or a shock. However, I think
- 9:42Speaker 4: to say anti renewable would be quite a stretch. He's
- 9:46Speaker 4: a conservationist, is how he's described himself, wildlife photographer. It's
- 9:50Speaker 4: incredibly concerned about the biodiversity of Australia and he's also
- 9:56Speaker 4: raised plenty of concerns as well about coal and fossil
- 9:59Speaker 4: fuel and the ongoing role that they have to play.
- 10:03Speaker 4: But to say that he or this group are some
- 10:05Speaker 4: kind of incredibly pronuculiar, staunchly anti renewable lobby and that
- 10:12Speaker 4: is their agenda, I don't think quite represents the truth
- 10:17Speaker 4: behind this particular organization.
- 10:21Speaker 1: Sarah Eisen is a senior political reporter with The Australian.
- 10:26Speaker 1: You can read her reporting and analysis, as well as
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