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How The Government Covered Up Crop Circles Pt.2 · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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  [SPEAKER_00]: Coming in for round two of crop circles.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you haven't listened to the first episode from last week, part one, you're going to want to go back and check that out.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Give a little history on crop circles.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Me and Kyle kind of talk about our history with crop circles.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We get into some juicy CIA stuff toward the end where I stopped and we're going to kind of roll right back into that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The juicy CIA stuff is that crop circle investigator Colin Andrews
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, who is the spearhead of all serology, serology, which is the investigation and study of crop circles was basically used as a disinformation pawn by the British government.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And a thing known as Operation Blackbird, he was made to look like a fool on live television regarding crop circles.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: which sucks.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Does suck.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because it not only discredited him, but it discredited the entire phenomena.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Made it just look like it was all just a bunch of hogwash.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Trock one up for the home team.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But that didn't stop calling for him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He just doubled down.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you guys want to make me look like a fool.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have to do way more than that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: which Colin being a pretty respected scientific investigator in journalist.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Just because the government said he was a liar, not a liar, but the phenomena was fraudulent.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Colin still had a bunch of people in his camp, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thousands and thousands of people in his camp, which I don't think the British government really banked on.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They thought if we, if we sacrifice this guy on live television, a lot of people are going to just think that this whole thing is a joke, which a lot of people did, not everybody.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a, it's definitely a successful operation there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, it's a multi-sided one, too, because not only does it discredit crop circles, but it also by proxy discredits everything.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Not for everybody, but for the people in the fence, I feel like a discredit of any part of the phenomena discredits all phenomena.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it really makes you not know who or what to trust.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it shouldn't be anybody in this realm.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll, you'll come to notice once we start talking about the CIA, but especially like Kyle says dot gov.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't ever don't.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, the British government decides to go full disinformation once Colin refuses to shut up and he starts getting followers behind him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They bring in the CIA.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So Colin does what any good fringe theorist would do and he starts going ham about all the bullshit that's going on.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He went on record in an interview with a man named John King stating that he knew that the only way that someone could have gotten into the field during Project Blackbird, which was under complete military surveillance, mind you, night vision, infrared, nothing could have gotten to that field without being seen.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Was that if it was an inside job, they had to let people into that field to make that formation.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He stated that he made the announcement about the crop circle before he had even seen it going by what army surveillance was telling him.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the other aspect of the story, too, that County gets overlooked a little bit is that in the beginning, the army reported to him that they witnessed lights in the sky and a craft.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So he like, if there was, in my opinion, uh, a hiccup on the dot gov side, it was that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was that because logically, the better way to bait it would have been, hey, we got here and something happened in the field.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because it still peaks, it's still, you know,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: peaks is interesting enough and they couldn't even said, hey, we're going to review the footage to see what happened.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: What took place that night, but we did get something and we're like not trying to like jump overboard here, but we did get something.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that would have been a better bait because in the end it would have done the same thing, but I also understand why they went full in to get him hyper excited.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: and getting him on there selling it as if it was a hundred percent fact yeah because in his mind up to this point the military the British military ministry of defense was on his side right they're back in him they're giving them all this equipment they're giving them all these personnel like if they say hey we have a craft and we have a circle or we have a formation he's gonna like he's immediately like fuck yeah let's get it out there
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He also said like, there was almost pressure on him to make the announcement.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We need to get this out immediately.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So he did that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Did that exactly what they said.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then when again, like I said it in the last episode, when he saw it, he immediately knew it was a hoax.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: but also kind of kind of to defend Collins position.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The deal that was made with the military was that they would provide the land, they would provide the equipment, they would provide the bodies, but Colin had to cooperate with them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So they pretty much had him dead derights in the whole scenario, even though he didn't know.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what else could have been to play there in that cooperation.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Operation there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: they could have essentially could have been a twofold system of obviously the bait and switch.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously the the disinformation campaign, but it could have also been Colin had more information on the subject matter than the military.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I guarantee it.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And they absorbed all of his information at the same time, discrediting him, giving them a leg up now.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: in the field.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Which sucks.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The confiscation of all of his material, essentially without confiscating it, because he agreed to cooperate, especially when you ordered it that way, like he had to agree to cooperate.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like a roundabout way of saying, hey, give us all your shit.
• 14:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was very well planned out.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I had, I'll had not at that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They're slick.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They, they, they pulled a fast one on and they got him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They keep, they keep trying to.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So in this interview, Colin said that Blackbird was phase one of, of what essentially he thinks was a three phase operation to discredit the phenomena and discredit him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: and and his fellow colleagues, Pat and and everybody else was working on it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Phase two are a couple of fellows that I had named earlier Doug and Dave.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Dumb and Dumber.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The men who con the world.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So on September ninth, nineteen ninety one, two retired landscape painters.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Keep this in mind.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: These are the guys that are con in the world.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're obviously masterminds.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Dave Chorley, sixty-two, and Douglas Bower, sixty-seven.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Went on National British Tableau Television to reveal that for the last thirteen years, they had been sneaking around Southern England at night, fashioning as many as twenty-five to thirty new crop circles each growing season.
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to call bullshit right off the rip with the fight of these two or sixty two plus years old.
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you don't have nothing better to do, I swear.
• 15:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I swear.
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Get out of here.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: There ain't no way.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Your asses are crawling around a middle to damn night.
• 15:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna love where this goes.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm about to fucking get it.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Keep that in mind.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sixty two and sixty.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna talk mad shit crawling around.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Keep crawling around and in in the forefront of your brain because it's it is absolute opposite of crawling around.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Which it makes it even worse.
• 16:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: makes it even worse.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So they're out there saying they're putting down twenty to thirty new crop circles each season.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Their efforts after they came out apparently inspired copycats.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So after they came on to the scene.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Crop circles begin to pick up, which obviously some of them are gonna be man-made.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Clearly.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Clearly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They go on to talk about varieties of techniques that they use to shape hundreds of Crop circles in both Britain and abroad.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Were these the ones that started the the fat of the board and the rope?
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I remember seeing it on TV then.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is the, this is them.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is phase two.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because this is a hundred percent what I remember I remember the board and the rope.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a hundred percent who you think they are.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Most notably was the seven oak circle, which was presented to Collins friend Pat Delgado as legitimate.
• 17:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: This tabloid got Pat and said, look what we just found in this field.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Can you examine it for us?
• 17:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Total set up again.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Pat's super stoked.
• 17:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we got a new circle.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: He deems at his legitimate states.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is without a doubt the most wonderful moment of my research.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Marveled retired engineer, Pat Delgado.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, he just fell into the mouth of the trap.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: As he stood in a wheat field near seven oaks in the British County of Kent, he goes on record to say no human could have done this.
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Delgado was gazing at a large area where the crops had been mysteriously flattened in a remarkable pattern, a large and nearly perfect circle of plants that had been bent down in a clockwise direction.
• 17:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Extending from the circle were other shapes, antenna, a ladder like strip, and a semi circle.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Seven Oaks phenomenon is the largest of hundreds of circular patterns that have appeared in the Greensfield of Southern England, and in lesser numbers, the fields of twenty other countries during the past thirteen years.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: It seemed perfect fodder for Delgado, who now makes a career of investigating and writing circles.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Remind you that this was written before, like this happened before Blackbird, so Pat hasn't retired yet.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's still in it.
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the question is actually,
• 18:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Was it real and they just said that it was fake?
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure because I think it's not.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You think it not?
• 18:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: That sucks that it became an injury.
• 18:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they had help in creating that though.
• 18:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't do about it.
• 18:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was it was a hundred percent another set up.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hundred percent.
• 18:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I mean in my head, I'm thinking if it is that magnificent, maybe it was real, but they're just going to do people and say that it wasn't real.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he was stoked that it's a fresh circle or a fresh formation.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: That nobody was privy to yet.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then he also had the attention of the tabloid there.
• 19:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that got to his head.
• 19:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he was understandable.
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be excited.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's what you love.
• 19:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's what you love to do.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you might have overlooked signs, you know, of it actually discrediting the circle.
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: It would be like a big foot.
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: researcher being out in the middle of the forest in Washington and then some asshole walks by two hundred yards away in a big foot costume that dude's gonna be stoked regardless.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have my confirmation.
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have my that's my holy grail.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because essentially that that person in the the outfit has no business being that far out.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just happens if they are.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Being an asshole.
• 19:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it could in this scenario, it would be someone taking that big foot researcher there.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we've seen something in this area before.
• 19:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Come out here and check it out.
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: So on and so forth.
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it sucks.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It sucks because then you
• 20:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually had this conversation not very long ago, different topics, but it sucks that we don't get people grace anymore.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when somebody does fall on the mouth of that trap, it's instant, it's instantly.
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: You are, you're condemned, you're done, you're no longer credible in the story.
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're not allowed to make mistakes.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever you have a quote unquote, life's work, you know, and that's unfortunate that nobody's given grace.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because in the end, you're going to have the hard cores be like, well, you should have seen the fucking signs and you should have known and blah, blah, blah, blah, like they're the professionals.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Shut the fuck up.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Get on down the road.
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Get people grace.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It happens.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that there's people out there that do this shit,
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: for the cloud and for the flame, the fucking government.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, is is shitty.
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, taking somebody that's passionate about something and weaponizing it against them is shitty.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's grounds for.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bring out.
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go to say that's grounds for bringing back catch in these hands.
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
• 21:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where am I?
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Delgado's super stoked about this crop circle.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he's over the moon like hey, you know where me and Colin were spearheading this were the first ones on with the tabloid but the scummy tabloid reporter says actually But this was made by Doug and Dave and I watched him do it
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So right there should bare men on them.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, should have been a stick.
• 21:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
• 21:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hundred percent should have been a stick because that's a pompous thing to do.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that I don't know.
• 21:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: That pisses me off.
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: That pisses me off a lot.
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: That set it right there.
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're not like they purposely drug you there to make you look like an ass.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, just baited you and you.
• 22:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Man, it would have took a lot for me not to stick them.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: They said in the interview that you could just like see the life like drain out of him.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would have absolutely come on glued.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would have, I mean, you, you all would have seen a different fucking person that day.
• 22:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: It would have been fucking bad.
• 22:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: The crops are what would have been the last thing anybody was interested in.
• 22:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they said Delgado was crest fallen and the last line of his interview was we have all been conned.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: If everything you say is true, I will look like the fool.
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's how we ended.
• 22:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's depressing.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which think about coming back from that being set up, hook line and sinker by British tabloid and these two old folkies that don't have anything better to do but vandalize people's crops and you put your entire life in a fucking lawsuit right there.
• 23:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, your entire life is based on like legitimate research about the phenomena and these these three men just are just laughing at you laughing at you.
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And to come back from that and still pull yourself together and be like, this, what I do is important.
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: What I do, I need to continue.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I had to hiccup.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they got one over on me.
• 23:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
• 23:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then to have the goddamn government and the British military do the same shit.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no one or even in the towel.
• 23:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, Doug and Dave got one over on
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Pat and Colin, mostly Pat, but and Pat was the one trying to defend the government when when Colin was like, this is a fucking hoax.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, well, you know, we have all the surveillance and Colin's like, no, this is a fucking joke.
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're made it.
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're making us a joke.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: It sounded like a pat is just a good person.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's trying.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's trying to see the best of the scenario.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 23:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they just keep pulling the rug out for money.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I feel like at that moment is when everything's set in and he's like, I'm done.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're right.
• 24:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is all just a game.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're decimating us.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm done.
• 24:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm walking away.
• 24:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is dumb.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: They go in to talk a little bit about Doug and Dave's technique here, which Kyle had mentioned before.
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: They required no meteorological effects and only rudimentary physics.
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: After making a scale drawing of the intended pattern, Doug and Dave proceeded to the wheat field with their equipment.
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: A four foot long wooden plank, a ball of string, and a baseball cap with wire thread through the visor used as a siding device.
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: At the center of the intended sight, Bauer held one end of the string.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: The other end was attached to the plank.
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Held horizontally at knee level by chorly as he circled around Bauer, pushing the grain gently forward.
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: The heavy heads of the wheat tend to keep it down.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: He explained, he explained.
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Doug and Dave say they conceived their hoax in nineteen seventy eight while sitting at a pub near cheesefoot head.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: What a what a what an awesome place cheesefoot head was got awesome people there so yeah quote wondering what we could do for a bit of a laugh
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I still, I still, like, there's not one part of me that believes that.
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I still, I still, I still, I still can't complete.
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, there's no way they did all of them.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no possible way.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way.
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: They might have done a couple once the, the, the, the, yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, yeah, the theory was conspired, but there's no way they did them all.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't, I, I'm, I'm sorry.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see a sixty two year old man paying like, you know what we should do?
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a bit.
• 25:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now I could see two drunk guys in the bar talking shit.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that they actually go out and do it is a whole other thing.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see growing ass men wasting that amount of time and energy on something dumb like that.
• 26:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: People are dumb though.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: People are dumb and they are from cheesefoot.
• 26:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said whatever the fuck is.
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they like, uh, I'm sure they like the attention after the first of them started popping off.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, cry chops would have been given out.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Crotty chops would have been given out.
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Doug and Dave said they can see their hooks in nineteen seventy eight while sitting in a pub near cheesefoot head quote wondering what we could do for a laugh.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's an act that you're an ass.
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going on record saying they might not be alive anymore, but they're an ass.
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'll second that.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that fucking like a few there.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Inspired by reports of flying saucer sightings and recalling crop circles created with tractors by Australian farmers several years earlier, they decided to flatten some corn to make it appear that a UFO would land it.
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: How the fuck do you make a nonchalant?
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Crop circle with a damn tractor.
• 26:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do you get a crack?
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you get your tractors leave tracks.
• 26:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just saying.
• 26:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Generally speaking, just saying.
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they started doing that.
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately, no one gave a shit for the first three years.
• 27:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: They just kind of, they would go out and flatten some crops and no one said anything.
• 27:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Until one of the circles was spotted in nineteen eighty one and reported to the press.
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely not.
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they immediately attributed it to extraterrestrials.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Zero fucking chance of that.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no fucking way you're going to convince me that you and homie, you and me,
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: went out in the random fields made elaborate designs for three fucking years yeah thirty a season you'd be a hundred hundred by that point no way we keep we I may be one time maybe one time I just attributed that they suck so bad that the farmers are like
• 27:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no, no, there's no possible way on this planet you'll ever justify to me that these gold ass dudes for three years with no recognition zero.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just get that it just kept at it.
• 28:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it was like it was their million dollar idea.
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Get the fuck outta here.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna go get shitty.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna walk on some corn.
• 28:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would have looked at those two and said, you are dumb.
• 28:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You are fucking dumb.
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not to mention, ironically enough, there's not lawsuits at the lawsuit for these motherfuckers.
• 28:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: There should have been charges pressed, but of course because there were when the government that obviously never transpired.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Once that one was spotted and they attributed it to extraterrestrials, they really got a kick out of it.
• 28:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Quote, we laughed so much at that time, recalls, Charlie.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: We had to stop the car because Doug was in stitches so much that he couldn't drive.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're about to be in the stitches, motherfucker.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wish stitches would drive to the UK.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Old stitches too.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was the bringing your face to just yes.
• 28:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was only after a circle enthusiast began seeking government funding that the two Jovial men decided to admit that it was a hoax.
• 29:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jovial.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: However, it's not all it's cracked up to be because Doug and Dave admitted that they only decided to come forward
• 29:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: after they'd been offered thousands of dollars to come forward for their story.
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: What did I such a fun past time that you don't tell anyone until they offer you money?
• 29:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 29:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this story makes me really angry.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we know that they were paid to come forward
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: because they only got paid half up front.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: They literally had to sue the tabloid and whoever else was backing the funding to pay them for the second half of their money.
• 29:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, bro.
• 29:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody came forward and said, hey, old drunkards, if you tell the world that you made these crop circles here and you have been for years, we'll pay you a lot of money.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now that I believe.
• 30:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: and then they only got half of the money.
• 30:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually a pretty clever move to because guys like that, you find two drunks.
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you're not gonna have to offer them very much money for them to go, okay?
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can do this.
• 30:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: You could offer them a thirty rack and they'd be like, all right.
• 30:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 30:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was not an English accent.
• 30:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was the most brilliant accent.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's all right.
• 30:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's all good.
• 30:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was some issues with Doug and Dave's stories, though.
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I also love the fact that
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: They sued.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to get their money.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, come on.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Give me my money.
• 30:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
• 30:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So remember, this is part two of the three phase discredit system, which I mean, if you're the government and you want to, to sow some, sow some discredacy discredency, that's a word I just created.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a good one.
• 31:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: You find, you find the two that are going to, are just going to go all out.
• 31:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, the pub is probably a good place to find that.
• 31:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there, there are some holes in their stories, probably their livers, also.
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully their brains.
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: They decided to demonstrate their crop circle making techniques on live television, right?
• 31:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Show it off.
• 31:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is how we do.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope it was absolutely not right at all.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: The results aren't great.
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, that's awesome.
• 31:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: So.
• 31:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's one face palm that the government has.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's definitely one because they, you know, the government walks down and goes fuck.
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
• 31:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Fuck.
• 31:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So even at this point in the crop circle phenomenon, a lot of the crop circles that are showing up are way, way better and more precise and complicated than any of the crew's shit of Doug and Dave were putting together.
• 31:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: See, that's what I remember.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I remember elaborate crop circles and then being like,
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we did it with this board, and maybe in like, there's no fucking way you got this, that perfect.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: No way.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Every time that they were asked to demonstrate something, the results were out of alignment.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Every single time.
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's because they didn't have their wire on their cap and beer and their bellies.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: The more intricate the design, the worse the results were.
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, because it's not real.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: One example, a news crew wanted Doug to recreate one of his own claimed hoaxes using his own diagram.
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did it come out the same?
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to recreate it as close as possible.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, it didn't.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little bit bigger.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was twice as big as the way that he not only said he hoaxed it, but the diagram that he made for the hoax.
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I also hope that during this elaborate scheme and then the news reporting part when they were wanting to recreate it, I hope that they were just picking random people's fields.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Probably without permission.
• 33:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's probably in the goddamn ministry of defense field.
• 33:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Probably.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: The one that they wanted him to recreate exactly his own design, his own blueprints that he'd made before.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It got so out of hand for him, like he made the first circle twice as big.
• 33:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: He just said, fuck it.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I'm not done.
• 33:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not doing this anymore.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm out of my element.
• 33:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: They also couldn't get their story straight.
• 33:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: The story just starts to crumble.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: They both said that they, okay, one of them said they started making crop circles in seventy-six.
• 33:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: The other one said they started making crop circles in seventy five.
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then they both agreed that they started making crop circles in seventy eight.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
• 33:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then they disagreed with one another and could not decide when they started making them.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they were drugs.
• 34:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't actually know if they were drugs.
• 34:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just insinuating that because they hung out at the pub.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: People, I feel like I feel like you're drunk if you go to the pub all the time.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you're drunk if you make crop circles for fun.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: All so true.
• 34:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just don't know out there.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said,
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I see one image that's going to get put out there.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Especially by a couple of old drugs.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, their story also changed from them being a two-man team of making crop circles alone to them being on a team of multiple people that made crop circles who they refused to give any information about and have never came forward that they made crop circles a dug and death.
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, they are the ring leaders and masterminds.
• 34:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: The circle, or the ring leaders is a good, that's what they should have called themselves.
• 34:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: They claim responsibility for infamous circles, claiming to have diagrams of the formations that they made that Doug drew after making them to keep records.
• 35:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Interestingly enough, the diagrams that he claimed were from the infamous circles don't match the infamous circles.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So what he said he did in a field, don't match the pictures of what was left in the field.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And logically, by the description you've given wouldn't it be the opposite way?
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't you do the diagram first and then do the image in the field?
• 35:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't just freeball the image and then make a diagram?
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 35:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they have any idea.
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want a crop circle is.
• 35:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's been established at this point.
• 35:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been waiting for this.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Since, okay, what we were talking about earlier, about the sixty to sixty-year-old men doing what in the field gone?
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Crawling.
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Old contrary, bud.
• 35:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: When asked how they made some of the circles without leaving tracks in the crops, Doug said,
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: They poll vaulted into the fields.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, the sure they did.
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Quote, you should have seen us running through the fields with our sticks sailing over the crops.
• 36:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would have said, please do that with our boards in our strength.
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have to show us.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have to show us.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no other way you have to do this.
• 36:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 36:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see a sixty five year old man poll vaulting through the field.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: with the with a four foot two by four strap to his back.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, I'm a hundred percent.
• 36:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: How big of a pole does it have to be to not leave any tracks in the middle of a field.
• 36:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a question.
• 36:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: What football football field?
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they got it.
• 36:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're still and surprisingly enough.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know it's going to be shocking to everyone, but their stories continued to change as crop circles continued to advance.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, for example, one researcher was telling Doug that they were looking for a very specific jelly-like substance that had started to be found in crop circles around the UK.
• 37:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Doug told him, probably just ways from an airplane, the old Joe dirt plane.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then he continued to tell a story that he'd never told before about how he was making a crop circle and got hit in the head by a frozen piece of shit projected from the plane.
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: He talked about how he stumbled back to his car bleeding after getting hit with his poop missile.
• 37:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Interestingly enough, planes don't dump waste over that specific area because it's illegal.
• 37:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not to mention, think about the astronomical odds.
• 37:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Getting hit with a shit missile?
• 37:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: In the middle of like, making a crop circle.
• 37:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, what the fuck?
• 37:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you get hit with the frozen turret while making a crop circle, is it a crop circle?
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 38:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like these two guys.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see how anyone fucking believed them.
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Next, it gets better.
• 38:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Next.
• 38:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Investigator started coming forward about finding tiny bits of metal inside like perfect metal magnetized balls inside of these crop circles.
• 38:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: They think may be pieces of meteorite or something found in new formations.
• 38:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden, guess where people were finding metal shavings, metal little just little iron balls scattered about.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: At the pub in Doug and Dave circles where there weren't any before.
• 38:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now they're there.
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: YouTube silly juices.
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're all these.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're evolving.
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's that's that's phase two.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Iron two bumpkins.
• 38:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I could definitely tell you the government is definitely not winning this round.
• 38:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 38:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did Doug and Dave make some crop circles?
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
• 39:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Undisputed.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: But are they responsible for the entirety of the phenomenon?
• 39:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say probably not.
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I could say, without a doubt, no fucking way.
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: You haven't seen them pull of all though.
• 39:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have it.
• 39:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if I see that, maybe that changed my mind, but the information that I have, absolutely fucking not.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: No way, no, no possible way.
• 39:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Collin and his interview with John King make sure make sure that nobody gets confused.
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: He says in no way does he think the Doug and Dave remembers the CIA, but they are tools for the CIA, hundred percent or the intelligence community.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: The way they operate, you cannot, you can tell they are drugs.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: They are liars.
• 39:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 39:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And not good ones.
• 39:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine being in the military or the Ministry of Defense for Britain and hear him on an interview?
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh yeah, we didn't leave tracks because we pull vaulted.
• 39:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're drunk.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: That I would retire.
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 40:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would quit my government military job and just walk away.
• 40:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I could tell you without a doubt that dude was a hundred percent drunk when he gave that answer.
• 40:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Imagine, imagine being the person ahead of the siop.
• 40:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: All you had to do, all you had to do was convince two convincing people to come forward about craft circles.
• 40:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And these are the two that you grabbed.
• 40:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you fucked up.
• 40:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: You grabbed somebody's losing their job.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Pull vaulting shit missiles.
• 40:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
• 40:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dunzo.
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oops.
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: We move on to phase three of this information discredit campaign.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this is a man by the name of James Schnebel, which I talked about earlier in the last episode.
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Can't remember what I said about it, but he was in there and I told you to make no to that name.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Colin reported that a freelance journalist showed up on the scene.
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: This man was named James Schnebel.
• 41:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Colin believes that Schnebel was in fact a CIA operative.
• 41:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't show up on any official CIA database as any officer or any agent or any paid official.
• 41:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he does show up all over the fucking place in the CIA database when you search him up, of course.
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's everywhere connected with paranormal cases, remote viewing crop circles.
• 41:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: This dude has his fingers in it, which is wild for just being a freelance journalist, right?
• 41:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Snable showed up on the scene of Blackbird and began independently interviewing everyone involved with not only Blackbird but other crop circles that are showing up on the scene.
• 41:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: He just immediately starts causing turmoil, just causing discontent.
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: He is spreading false information about the phenomena.
• 42:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's misquoting people from different sides of the phenomena, just creating chaos, just keeping people all over the place, right?
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which is what a good CIA asset is good at.
• 42:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, yep, yep.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: It gets really fucking weird for Colin.
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: when Schnabel interviews him because Schnabel pulls out a transcript of a conversation that Colin had, which I mean, the guy's the forefront of the crop circle phenomenon, he's going to be quoted in awful lot, except
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: that the transcript was from a conversation that Colin had privately in his own car using a remote satellite phone.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: This was pre-blackbird when they were putting blackbird in the works.
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: He had a transcript of the private conversation from a satellite phone.
• 43:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Either he's the best journalist ever
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: or he's got some inside pull.
• 43:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm gonna go with that one, those got some inside pull.
• 43:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cause I don't, I don't feel like that's easy to do.
• 43:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, he, he's something.
• 43:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: He is something.
• 43:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's other proof that Colin came forward that the intelligence community was monitoring him based off invoices and then following like money he's spent at specific places.
• 43:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: They would also spend money like they were tracking his movements all over the place.
• 43:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: But we know that CIA loves to use journalists' tools, you know?
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, when we were talking about Blackboard, it is the journalists' perfect tool because people talk to journalists, right?
• 44:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they also have the ability to spread misinformation.
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: as Project Mockingbird showed us, like, there were, in that specific time, there were four hundred journalists in the United States that were listed as CIA informants and direct assets.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot.
• 44:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of damage that you can do real fast.
• 44:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, ten journalists and editors at the New York Times were actual agents for the CIA.
• 44:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: there they they decide what what we the general public get to know yeah and on top of that if you had even just a journalist at every uh... ever company
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: All would take is for one from each company to start cooperating or lining up with what the other one was saying that's just an end to the race.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the public narrative is going to be like, well, there's obviously truth here because you got NBC saying it.
• 45:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got Fox saying that you got this one saying it.
• 45:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's obviously true.
• 45:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 45:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 45:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Old boy in the wife files.
• 45:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of his name.
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: He made a great statement.
• 45:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said, it's easy.
• 45:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said, it's not out of the realm of possibility to assume that ten percent of editors, reporters, and media personalities that are responsible for the content you consume.
• 45:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Be a television, be a newspaper, be a podcast host, our CIA informants.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think at that point at this point, it should just go without saying.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: It gets, gets weirder for old buddy Colin.
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: He goes on to say that there was another man in the crop circle field that came forward stating that he saw an actual crop circle be formed while seeing balls of light hovering above it.
• 46:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: That would be wild.
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: They don't know who he is.
• 46:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: They just like, if the information's out there, we don't know the guy's name.
• 46:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's just referred to as the Fox man because he said that he was out doing research on the habitats of red foxes in the area when he saw these balls of light make this crop circle.
• 46:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: This man kept coming to Colin to talk about crop circles.
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: He came to him first.
• 46:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to report my experience.
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he kept coming back.
• 46:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about this.
• 46:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about this crop circle.
• 46:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about this crop circle.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think Russians are involved in the crop circle?
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a weird question.
• 46:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Colin goes, excuse me.
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, yeah, do you think this could be some espionage stuff?
• 47:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the Fox man was definitely.gov.
• 47:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, hundred percent.
• 47:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 47:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: He just flat out after he looks at him all crazy.
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: He just flat out looks at Colin.
• 47:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: He goes, you know you're one of us now.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Colin goes, excuse me.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean one of us?
• 47:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: He goes CIA.
• 47:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you're in too deep.
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're one of us.
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like, bitch, you know, I don't see no checks in my fucking mega town.
• 47:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there was.
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they offered Colin corrected.
• 47:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: They offered Colin a Swiss bank account full of money.
• 47:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: If he promised to come forward, pushing that the crop circle phenomena is a hoax.
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Since he's the leading spearhead of the research, they said, if you come out and say that this isn't real, we will take care of you greatly.
• 47:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said, we will give you CIA equipment, CIA budget, CIA staff.
• 48:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we have an offshore bank account with your name on it.
• 48:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking figures upon figures.
• 48:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you just have to come out and tell the world that this is a hoax.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: One other stipulation.
• 48:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you find something that you deem as legitimate, the only person you can tell is me, Fox person.
• 48:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
• 48:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So two full questions.
• 48:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: How many times do you think that's played out for the government?
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I have no idea.
• 48:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I bet it's played out a couple in full times.
• 48:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the million dollar man Ted DiBiosics told us everybody's got a price and then What do you do if you get a approach with that deal?
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, that's a hard one
• 48:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
• 48:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love that Colin Stanton stood Tinto's down on his morals and his passion in what he put his gangster.
• 49:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he got him.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's what I'm saying.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: How many zeros and S was back count?
• 49:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna be real.
• 49:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be real.
• 49:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 49:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm saying right now.
• 49:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: This moment in my life.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Given the amount of zeros.
• 49:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ten mill.
• 49:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 49:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got it.
• 49:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got this.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: We got this.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in.
• 49:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: One stipulation though, and I think it's already worked out and what you said.
• 49:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're making stipulation.
• 49:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do have a stipulation.
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do have a stipulation.
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do have a stipulation.
• 49:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it made like I said, it may already be worked out.
• 49:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: My brain made out of processes of correctly.
• 49:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So by what you're saying, not only do I get the ten, ten, ten ends in my bank account.
• 49:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you're also going to give me possible CIA assets to now keep looking into the phenomena.
• 50:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: CIA equipment budget.
• 50:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in to continue without question.
• 50:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in to continue looking into the phenomena.
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 50:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in and all you got to do is say every every one of them is fake.
• 50:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you find the real ones, the only people you tell is Fox Man.
• 50:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: that that's the part that I would hate if I have to if I had to continually.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just credit come out and discredit that would be a not sell point for me.
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was going to be a one and done me just be like come on here and be like it's all fake guys.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't tell you I see later and then I get to go out my journey and really like.
• 50:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Expertly dig into the phenomena.
• 50:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you can do that.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got to be the style.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's hard.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: That adds a new avenue, man, that I don't know that I can stomach for it.
• 50:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a moral conundrum.
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I can stomach for it forever.
• 51:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Especially something that you love.
• 51:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Initially.
• 51:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think between the assets and the dollar signs, it's an easy yes.
• 51:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But over time, the assets and the money get so mundane to you that once again, your moral compass starts to surface.
• 51:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you are now going to be in or even more of a predicament because you're going to be going against the CIA directly.
• 51:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 51:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that is going to be more a way more liability for them than you were in the beginning.
• 51:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's even worse because now you have all the means to investigate the way you want to.
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can investigate all the time consistently.
• 51:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if there's a crop circle in Germany, you can be there because you've got to say, yes, right?
• 51:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you can be there Spain be there boom boom boom boom boom.
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're molder at that point and you can't tell a fucking soul.
• 51:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay with that.
• 52:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: and not only that, you have to tell people that it's not real.
• 52:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, new stipulation, new stipulation.
• 52:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're gonna pull them back.
• 52:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: One more new stipulation.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I get to bring my home in.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, man.
• 52:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the stipulate.
• 52:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the real stipulation.
• 52:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because at least that way you mean you talk about it.
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know I'm I'm blackbook off the records keep in everything.
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everything we find.
• 52:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: No fucking down one day.
• 52:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be the massive the biggest whiz of blow around playing against without a question.
• 52:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
• 52:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be a video of me.
• 52:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Disclot like talent everybody will my my drop girl what do they call a dead man switch has activated all of my informations on the internet and it's just gonna be me going I see call running to remember this phone with the CIA who played who see a who played who you guys are at it for the short term
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Homey was in for the long run.
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Long game.
• 52:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got you.
• 52:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got you.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
• 53:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: But Colin Tinto's down said, no, I'm good.
• 53:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I respect that though.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I respect that because they also wanted all of his information that he'd gather.
• 53:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 53:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, no, that's a given.
• 53:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a good.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: So dude didn't take lightly to that.
• 53:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: He started just mass calling, calling every day.
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Change of mind, change of mind, change of mind.
• 53:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got so bad that Colin contacted the Ministry of Defense.
• 53:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said, this dude is harassing me over things that you said aren't real.
• 53:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: What?
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do something.
• 53:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, nope, it's out of our jurisdiction.
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: The British Ministry of Defense.
• 53:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: What man being harassed?
• 53:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: by another British citizen, it's out of their jurisdiction.
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which instantly tells Colin that it's for, it's for an assets.
• 53:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's out of his hands, it's for an assets.
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then further proves that because he said, you know what, I'm done with all this bullshit, I'm moving to the United States.
• 54:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's not gonna help.
• 54:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he packs up, moves to the United States.
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: is immediately contacted by Pentagon analyst who puts him in contact with the name of anybody that's in the the UFO community.
• 54:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, our bell and stuff.
• 54:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll know this name.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Rosemary Ellen Geilly.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's been on coast to coast, had her own paranormal radio show.
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Big name wrote like fifty books just all over the place.
• 54:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was adamant, adamant, that she wanted to write a book with Colin.
• 54:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Push, he said she went to every means you can think of to try to get him to agree to co-author a book with her.
• 54:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of her stipulations was that they wrote the book in Colin's office.
• 55:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
• 55:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where should you have access?
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck off.
• 55:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, access.
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: His whole database.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's they got stupid.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like what do you think I'm stupid?
• 55:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you wonder what he meant by any means.
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry.
• 55:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Very gums.
• 55:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: He like, if one of the stipulations that we do at my, I'm like, get out of here.
• 55:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's very adamant that Rosemary Ellen Giley was a CIA informant, which is crazy.
• 55:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: When you think of the poll, she had on the paranormal community.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not, though, because remember when I low key is not, I want to know.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, remember the low key accusation I made about Linda during the anarchist stuff.
• 55:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: When we were digging into that, I think it happens to everybody in the paranormal field that get to a certain level.
• 55:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think without question, you become a CIA asset.
• 56:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's either that or you get shut the fuck up.
• 56:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe maybe even, maybe less than that.
• 56:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they say hey Steve, you can walk this line.
• 56:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they're, remember, there is a line.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: You cannot cross this line.
• 56:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Once your research takes you to this point, you have to instantly go, this is not real.
• 56:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is not real.
• 56:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're staying in this lane sucks.
• 56:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I without without a doubt, think that happens far more than we understand.
• 56:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because it also explains how some of these people get to the forefront of the community.
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 56:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Think of how much sway she has.
• 56:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: If if she wasn't informed again, we're we're here to house guy.
• 56:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're not on one side of the fence or the other.
• 56:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're we're just here to present information.
• 56:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 56:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she and if she wasn't informed, we're not even going to assume that she had a choice.
• 56:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was on the forefront of the paranormal world at the tile.
• 57:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was on art belt multiple times.
• 57:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anybody who is anybody in the paranormal world in research went to art.
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 57:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a big, big sway if you're being pushed one way or the other for the government.
• 57:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, to be fair, not to fucking slander his name at all, but it would almost make you wonder if he was an asset.
• 57:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's been said.
• 57:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not surprising that it's been said.
• 57:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I guess I voice in the paranormal.
• 57:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I truly do believe, unfortunately, that anybody who gets to the top of the mountain most likely is either an asset or has stipulations on them to almost be an asset.
• 57:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 57:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even if you're not an asset, a true asset, you're still kind of an asset because you're giving guidelines.
• 57:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 57:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you have to maintain those guidelines that you're going to have problems.
• 58:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 58:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And even like...
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even if art didn't know, even if he wasn't an asset, he was still a tool because he was putting out.
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, put out information that's wanted to go on.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you think about it, a lot of the top names in the like in the conspiracy, paranormal world, all kind of take a weird shift at some point.
• 58:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 58:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like Rogan took the shift.
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 58:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I end took the shift.
• 58:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody kind of kind of has, oh, absolutely.
• 58:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of get to a point where their demeanor changed.
• 58:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there is a reason for that.
• 58:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will admit that and I once again, I mean,
• 58:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a situation that I don't, I don't even know how we would handle it.
• 58:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
• 58:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, because if we can't be bought, then there's threats.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 58:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that changes everything.
• 58:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's changing everything.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 58:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you're in and around about way, unfortunately, you're almost better to be bought.
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at least, at least, at that point, you're benefiting and there's no detriment to your family.
• 59:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 59:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: a further moving forward to discredit information, discredit campaign.
• 59:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, by the name of John Lombard came forward in the early nineties, he put together a website called circlemakers.org, which is still around a day and you can get on there and look at crop circles that him and his friends claim to have made.
• 59:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was, and had a masters in art degree.
• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he knew something about geometry and geometric shapes and stuff, but these were like the elaborate of the elaborate.
• 59:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Once Doug and Dave kind of fell apart, this dude came forward saying, hey, these big ones here, these cool ones were making, and he's making videos of him making him, him and his team putting it out,
• 1:00:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So big, big forefront of the disinformation campaign.
• 1:00:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: At one point on circlemakers.org, they had a recruiting link where people thought that they could register their information to maybe be a part of the team to go out and make crop circles.
• 1:00:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, contrary, you click on that recruiting link.
• 1:00:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: It takes you directly to an MI five recruiting link.
• 1:00:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: which is the fuck British military intelligence.
• 1:00:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Still to this day?
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know still to this day, but at some point in the websites existence, it went there.
• 1:00:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's weird.
• 1:00:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Weird.
• 1:00:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't even know how that's weird.
• 1:00:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why are the two tied together?
• 1:01:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is my question?
• 1:01:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's definitely, I feel like it's asset based, but it's almost like the weird.
• 1:01:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 1:01:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's a false breadcrum.
• 1:01:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like the, they didn't Wi-Fi.
• 1:01:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a double bluff.
• 1:01:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like putting it out there.
• 1:01:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's weird.
• 1:01:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like just because they use it a lot.
• 1:01:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: They openly like mock.
• 1:01:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like in two thousand four, they openly mocked Colin, who was at a point where he was asking for funds to continue his research.
• 1:01:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: The site
• 1:01:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, posted a paragraph telling Colin that if he couldn't raise the money, he could just join the MI five and get trained as a crop circle maker as a siop.
• 1:01:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Literally what they put.
• 1:01:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Being that open about it is.
• 1:01:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's almost like putting it out in the open so people think you're just shitting them, but in real, in real life, like you're probably in it.
• 1:01:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or it's just a, it's a tactic for them to get like a more cloud.
• 1:02:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm saying where we're like two, two dummies like us could be like, do let's just pretend that we're in them if I haven't because like the conspiracy world's gonna eat this shit up.
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so we'll just double down on it and make it all look legit even though it's not legit.
• 1:02:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can see that happening.
• 1:02:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but
• 1:02:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Longberg here does kind of have ties to the MI five.
• 1:02:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, oh, I wouldn't doubt that he is.
• 1:02:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: People started digging into him in two thousand nine.
• 1:02:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: He had got his masters degree at the Slade School of Foreign Arts, which just happened to be literally across the street from MI five secret headquarters.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: They shared a courtyard, like, center of here and here.
• 1:02:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: and a lot of people know that intelligence agencies like to pick up final year college students to recruit them.
• 1:03:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Lomburg started making crop circles the year after he graduated.
• 1:03:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it adds up.
• 1:03:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: People then started digging into the website source code, digging into like all the HTML codes.
• 1:03:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Literally the second
• 1:03:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: source code word on the website was in my five.
• 1:03:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was also CIA.
• 1:03:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was also a name we've heard before Jim Schnabel all in the source code of the circle makers website.
• 1:03:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
• 1:03:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fucking weird.
• 1:03:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, the site.
• 1:03:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, they're British obviously, but the site wasn't hosted in Britain.
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was hosted out of Pittsburgh.
• 1:03:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: The administrative contact for the domain, circlemakers.org, was a kernel in the US Air Force, which is us.
• 1:04:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it does kind of point that this is the intelligence being brazen about it.
• 1:04:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 1:04:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 1:04:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's obviously a psychological aspect to it that I don't quite see.
• 1:04:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: There has to be a psychological aspect to it.
• 1:04:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm being that brazen.
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's almost, I think it kind of is people won't take it seriously while getting the information out there, because Longberg went on to mention about how much it cost to run a successful website and all this shit, but he always said that they were being fine at, he said, we would never ask you for money.
• 1:04:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're being financed by an undisclosed source, which makes you think, governmental, right?
• 1:04:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course.
• 1:04:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which if that's the case,
• 1:04:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It brings back the moral quandary of the crimes being committed by circlemakers.org in creating these crop circles.
• 1:05:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because you have vandalism.
• 1:05:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, I just don't know property.
• 1:05:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I have trespassing.
• 1:05:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if it's backed by government intelligence agencies, there's a you can get like you're getting in some weird areas there.
• 1:05:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:05:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Weird gray areas.
• 1:05:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be hard to get it to survive for it.
• 1:05:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
• 1:05:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: because you are going up against.
• 1:05:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:05:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Arguably the most powerful, you know, they're going to be like, here's fifteen hundred dollars for your corncrack.
• 1:05:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Show the fuck up.
• 1:05:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, you probably heard the name Lomburg before because he was also a director.
• 1:05:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what he was doing like when the crop circle things started kind of popping off.
• 1:05:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: He directed a documentary that we probably all heard of before called Mirageman.
• 1:05:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: which is like the ultimate kind of putting it.
• 1:05:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's using his, using his funds to put it out there because it kind of focuses around, oh boy, what's his name?
• 1:06:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Doty who came forward to saying that he worked for the US government as a disinformation agent putting out that the UFO phenomenon is real and this was put out to the masses by
• 1:06:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Longberg, essentially, could was probably funded by either the Ministry of Defense in Britain or the CIA.
• 1:06:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Probably the CIA.
• 1:06:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Probably the CIA.
• 1:06:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:06:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So definitely feel, it definitely feels very CIA-ish.
• 1:06:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know we're getting long on time here, but obviously Colin is kind of put off by all of this shit going on like he said.
• 1:06:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: He literally said he was at a point where he was also ready to throw on the towel like Pat.
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: just over it, done.
• 1:06:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the interview with John King, he said, I remember laying him bed one night, thinking after Doug and Dave after Blackbird, that all of this was not real.
• 1:07:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said, I was thinking that I would really been had, and all of it was not real.
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I started trying to directly connect to the phenomena.
• 1:07:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said, all I could think about was one of those first crop circles that I had seen, which was the Celtic Cross in the field.
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said, I just projected that to the phenomena.
• 1:07:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you are real, stop making me chase you, come to me.
• 1:07:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said the next morning he had gotten a call from a crop circle that he had investigated right down the road.
• 1:07:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was like two miles from his house.
• 1:07:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was a circle there that he had looked into.
• 1:07:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: The farmer got up the next morning and in the field next to that one was the Celtic Cross.
• 1:07:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again.
• 1:07:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, for a second time after he had put it out into the ether.
• 1:07:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, prove to me that you are real.
• 1:07:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is the sign that I want.
• 1:07:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It not only made it close to his house, but it made it in the field of the circle that he investigated literally the night before.
• 1:08:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to know, if I could talk to him, I would ask, when you put that in the, did you say it out loud?
• 1:08:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or did you say it in your work?
• 1:08:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: It could be bugged.
• 1:08:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
• 1:08:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, he may have seen me.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I said it in the interview, but I'm not.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 1:08:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have time to look into it.
• 1:08:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that kind of wraps it up on Colin.
• 1:08:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm also going to talk about some over ten over areas where the crop circles show up.
• 1:08:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned it before, but they're like chalk aquifers underneath a lot of you can produce energy and a lot of the crop circles that cannot be proven to be man-made show up in this swath of these chalk aquifers.
• 1:08:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also,
• 1:08:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a theory that maybe they're not coming from the sky.
• 1:08:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're coming from the ground up like a sound vibrations because there are circles that are found in fields.
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: where after the crops have been taken away, the imprint of the circle is still there.
• 1:09:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it will be there for like, some of them are up to three years.
• 1:09:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: The intricate designs are still in the soil.
• 1:09:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you can still see that.
• 1:09:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's wild.
• 1:09:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.
• 1:09:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: There has been some crop circles that have been suggested that they are star maps.
• 1:09:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: essentially like trying to tell us where to look, where to go.
• 1:09:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I could see that.
• 1:09:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: There have been other models, other formations that essentially people think are two D rendering of like a wormhole, how a wormhole would look if you split it in half and projected it onto the earth.
• 1:10:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: There have been other crop circles that have no, like they, there's no geometric rhyme or reason to them.
• 1:10:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: They just look scattered and just weird, right?
• 1:10:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there was a man by the name of Nicola Romanski, who started looking into these.
• 1:10:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: He first noticed the star maps and was like, man, they would probably try and tell us something.
• 1:10:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then he saw the wormhole like ones, which are essentially just circles with a line-throwman stuff.
• 1:10:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he started putting these into a three-D model where he takes the flat inlay of the essentially a blueprint and he rotates it around its axis.
• 1:10:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: So when he did that, it came up with the model of what we look like as a wormhole.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: with the center getting closer and the whole thing.
• 1:10:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he took some of these real strange crop circles that we were finding and did the same thing.
• 1:11:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: They started producing, like as he made the three-d model, what looked like UFOs.
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like if you take this weird, just flat-in-lade blueprint and you three-d it, he started getting what looked like what we know as UFOs.
• 1:11:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: like like one look like the dialogue Nazi Bell.
• 1:11:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there were disks and all sorts of weird shit.
• 1:11:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he started being like, hey, you know, there might be something to this.
• 1:11:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's try to build this.
• 1:11:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's try like they're giving us the blueprint.
• 1:11:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let's try to build it.
• 1:11:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he got some backing from a film producer.
• 1:11:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: They started making it.
• 1:11:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: He hired a whole bunch of people to start creating and he actually made
• 1:11:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: created one of the blueprints that they came out with.
• 1:11:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were trying to produce enough energy to see what they could get out of it.
• 1:11:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: They said they did get plasma to ignite, which I don't know what that means.
• 1:11:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming it takes a certain amount of energy, but then all of a sudden they're funding got cut.
• 1:12:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they had to stop.
• 1:12:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It makes you wonder if
• 1:12:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was the first civilian to stumble onto that information.
• 1:12:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It does.
• 1:12:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: It does.
• 1:12:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, again, watch the wife files because he actually shows in his YouTube video the three D renderings of the crafts.
• 1:12:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's fucking wild.
• 1:12:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.
• 1:12:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
• 1:12:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: But someone, I was reading on Reddit, people talking about it, and they're like, it's almost like us being three dimensional beings drawing a picture on two dimensions.
• 1:12:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: They said, what if they're four dimensional beings drawing pictures on the third dimension here?
• 1:12:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: trying to explain to us how to get to them as best they can.
• 1:12:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: They probably are.
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, more dumb.
• 1:12:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: We are not known to be too intelligent.
• 1:13:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some other things are just changes in the crops.
• 1:13:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: As like wheat, for example, gets ready to harvest the heads of the wheat curve and get real dry.
• 1:13:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they break, right?
• 1:13:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you try to flatten them out, a lot of these crop circles where the walls of the circle have curved wheat head, the wheat that was been flattened in the circle perfectly straight is aligned itself out.
• 1:13:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It said the only way to do this is with immense amounts of radiation energy.
• 1:13:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: They also say that there is expulsion chambers in the week like where you have to have very specific microwave radiation focused at it to make these wheat nodules bust where in the middle of the circle all of the stocks have this but two feet away in the walls of the circle that's not there.
• 1:13:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's very direct energy.
• 1:13:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Crazy, right?
• 1:13:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just have some notable crop circles here that I was going to talk about.
• 1:14:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
• 1:14:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: first we have what they call the erasibo answer okay so in nineteen seventy four team of scientists led by Frank Drake and Carl Sagan composed a message to be transmitted to the edge of our galaxy specifically the globular cluster measure thirteen group of stars roughly twenty five thousand light years from earth this was humanity's first attempt to contact extra terrestrial's the message was written in binary code which when displayed as a graphic
• 1:14:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: in a twenty-three by seventy-three rectangle chosen because they're prime numbers and like math is the spoken language of the universe or some bullshit provided several pieces of information about human beings in our planet this included the atomic numbers for the elements that combine that are combined to make up DNA hydrogen, carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and phosphorus a stick figure of a human being representation of our solar system and our position in it
• 1:15:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: and a representation of the Erasibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico that was used to transmit the message.
• 1:15:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, they sent that out.
• 1:15:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not long, oh, that's not true.
• 1:15:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not long after, but long after it, fifteen years or so.
• 1:15:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me double check here.
• 1:15:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, two thousand one.
• 1:15:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So,
• 1:15:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's quite a way, seven, four or two thousand ones, so that's a ways.
• 1:15:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the hillside town of Hampshire, we got to reply because right there next to the Chiboltan radio telescope, not the Arocyba where it was sent out, but the Chiboltan, the farmer that owned the field noticed in an indentation in his crops.
• 1:15:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, okay, this is fucking weird.
• 1:16:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's the deal?
• 1:16:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't tell anything that was going on when he was looking at it.
• 1:16:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: But from the air, you see what looks to be like a replica of the face that was found on Mars.
• 1:16:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: an image that was sent back by the Viking one space probe in seventy six.
• 1:16:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: The face, the most prominent feature is the like image is striking resemblance to the Martian face.
• 1:16:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I pulled it up here so we can see a Kyle.
• 1:16:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I remember seeing this crop circle.
• 1:16:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I believe it's the same one.
• 1:16:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:16:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here it is.
• 1:16:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: This was in the field first.
• 1:16:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:16:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then two days later, we got the Aerosibo answer, which is... A face is fucking weird.
• 1:16:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: The face is fucking weird, right?
• 1:16:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
• 1:17:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Aerosibo answer, coming three days after the face,
• 1:17:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: The reply came from a crop circle, technically a crop rack rectangle, seemingly to be a copy of the Aerosibo message, but with key differences.
• 1:17:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: The atomic code for carbon had been replaced with silicon.
• 1:17:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: The stick figure had a change shape to indicate a large head in a smaller body than a human.
• 1:17:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: The image of an Aerosibo had been replaced with a complex image, seeming to indicate some kind of space telescope with solar panels.
• 1:17:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And potentially mimic other complex crop circles that have been drawn in the past, because this eye or whatever the hell this is, or we put the RSEBO telescope, they think it's some sort of radio technology that they're using to beam these out, was also found in a crop circle, years prior to that, almost in the same field.
• 1:17:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you're telling me, because I've never really thought about it, go back to the image.
• 1:18:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: At the bottom of that image, it's an eye with essentially radio waves coming out of it.
• 1:18:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's something of that sort.
• 1:18:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so keep that in mind for next week's episode.
• 1:18:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:18:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some fucking odd foreshadowing.
• 1:18:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
• 1:18:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
• 1:18:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking weird.
• 1:18:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Next we have the Julia set, which on Sunday, July, seven, nineteen, ninety-six.
• 1:18:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: What has been called one of the most complex and spectacular crop circles designed, seen up to this point, appeared in England.
• 1:18:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was an astonishing fractural pattern called the Julia set, which clearly demonstrates some sort of intelligence.
• 1:18:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is unique crop circle in the history.
• 1:18:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: In history, it will serve a reasons, including the fact that it appeared not far from the mysterious and world famous Stonehenge monument on the English countryside.
• 1:18:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: that it allegedly appeared during daylight in less than an hour.
• 1:18:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: The circle became one of the most famous and important crop circles in history.
• 1:18:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Colin Andrews expressed the sentiments of many when he said it a public conference.
• 1:19:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: If these Julia sets can be proven to be made by humans, we will all pack our bags and go home.
• 1:19:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Additional claims that have been the standard with most crop circles.
• 1:19:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: The strange case had many unique features.
• 1:19:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: The circumstance surrounding it in appearance are at first glad straight forward and impressive enough, but a pilot came forward and said he flew over the field opposite a stone hinge late in the afternoon and saw nothing but a normal and disturbed field below on his return flight back less than an hour.
• 1:19:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: The pilot was stunned to see a spectacular six hundred foot fractural crop circle below in the very same field.
• 1:19:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was definitely Dave and Darrell.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:19:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Doosh and Darrell.
• 1:19:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: There it is.
• 1:19:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's Stonehenge and there's the crops that will be hard as hell to make.
• 1:19:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the middle of daylight, next to a dam road, next to one of the most prominent tourist attractions.
• 1:19:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:19:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ever.
• 1:19:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I would believe that humans, and especially in that short amount of time,
• 1:20:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: could even do that, not to mention, have everything is so perfect.
• 1:20:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is one of those ones that they think is a three D blueprint.
• 1:20:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could see that look like I look like a radio telescope when you do that.
• 1:20:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It does.
• 1:20:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: What else do I got that one's crazy.
• 1:20:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that one's monster seven hundred and eighty foot.
• 1:20:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: This was in a field.
• 1:20:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: In milk Hill, which there is a brand new one that just happened until fast tattoo.
• 1:20:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: In twenty twenty five, a new one just formed in the same field.
• 1:20:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: This specific one here.
• 1:20:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's called the pie circle and it represents like pie is a whole like three in the new.
• 1:20:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you get it.
• 1:20:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, forever, which is crazy.
• 1:20:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking for one specific one.
• 1:21:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: That one's fucking crazy.
• 1:21:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry guys.
• 1:21:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: This one.
• 1:21:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, yeah, I remember that one.
• 1:21:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Alien, alien face here.
• 1:21:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:21:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Sparrel shot face and message of two thousand two.
• 1:21:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Sparrel shot crop circle known as the alien face with disk formation appeared in a field near Sparrel shot Hampshire England in August, two thousand two.
• 1:21:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's four hundred feet wide circle featuring a depiction of an alien holding a disk with a decoded message in the disk.
• 1:21:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: The disk is in binary.
• 1:21:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: and it translates to be where the bears of false gifts and their broken promises, much pain but still time, believe.
• 1:21:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: There is good out there, we oppose deception, conduit closing.
• 1:21:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: The only other ones I have is the Oliver Castle footage, which I'm sure you've seen if you watch the Unsolved Mysteries, man, recording balls of light that produce a crop circle in the field.
• 1:22:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was actually, I almost brought that up when we talked about the original, when the military claimed the balls of light.
• 1:22:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it made me instantly remember the Unsolved Mysteries depiction of it.
• 1:22:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm an editor.
• 1:22:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll just, we'll just cut her at that because we're way over.
• 1:22:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, so that's crop circles.
• 1:22:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who the thought crop circles had such an elaborate backstory?
• 1:22:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who the fuck?
• 1:22:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: See, I gave a shit.
• 1:22:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:22:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got legitimately, I thought it was just one of them topics that just... Petered out, man.
• 1:22:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:22:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you can see, I, A, dot, gov, and there's all sorts of shit about our home.
• 1:22:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Buddy, Jim Shnavel here.
• 1:22:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fucking nuts, man.
• 1:22:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who's just an investigative journalist?
• 1:22:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, of course.
• 1:22:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, thanks for hanging out.
• 1:22:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you guys enjoyed that.
• 1:22:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got all kinds of sources from all over the place.
• 1:22:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, CIA.
• 1:22:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got this one of them.
• 1:22:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also, check out the Wifiiles.
• 1:23:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know they don't need any of our help, but they did do excellent research on this particular episode.
• 1:23:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You guys need to check it out.
• 1:23:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's dope.
• 1:23:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for hanging out with us.
• 1:23:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hope you have a good Monday.
• 1:23:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Till we meet again, stay safe, stay weird, and do not trust the military industrial complex.