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Men, Where Have You Gone? Women will let you come back with conditions! | Maintaining Frame 160 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian. I'm here with Allison and this is maintaining
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  Speaker 1: frame number one sixty. Men, where have you gone? Women?
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  Speaker 1: Will let you come back with conditions where we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be talking about this article that's been doing the
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  Speaker 1: rounds on the social media's are you know, a little
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  Speaker 1: late to the party but fashionably so? And yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, is this like a request from somebody
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  Speaker 1: or you just.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, I just wanted to cover it. I know
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  Speaker 2: a lot of other people covered that last week, but
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  Speaker 2: I think Sargon, the Joker, Clownfish TV, and I watched
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  Speaker 2: most of all of them, like Sargon and the Joker.
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  Speaker 2: I watched all of it.
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  Speaker 1: But the clown Smash not Smash shape. You're talking about
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  Speaker 1: Clownfish TV, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Clownfish TV.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I love the whole thing of Clownfish TV because I
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  Speaker 2: think they just sort of meandered off at the end there,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, ah, this is not on topic,
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  Speaker 2: and I know the irony of me saying that, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So I watched them, and I felt like they were
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  Speaker 2: missing some of what's really going on. So I figured
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  Speaker 2: we could go through it and add our unique take
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  Speaker 2: to this situation. Essentially, this is a New York Times.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I bet those birds are really going to
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  Speaker 2: drive people nuts. I'll lower the volume, but let's get
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  Speaker 2: into it first. This is a article from the New
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  Speaker 2: York Times, and it is a article by a woman
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  Speaker 2: who is fifty four and she is wanting men to
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  Speaker 2: take an interest in her again. Now, this isn't just
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  Speaker 2: a random fifty four this she is a divorcee, I
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  Speaker 2: think a multiple divorcee. She's had multiple relationships. I think
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  Speaker 2: she's had children, so she's also a single mom at
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  Speaker 2: one point. This isn't This isn't like a fifty four
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  Speaker 2: year old widow who's suddenly like waiting again because I
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'd like some male companionship before I die. No,
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  Speaker 2: this is this is a woman who's been up to
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  Speaker 2: stuff prior to getting fifty four, a girl bossing and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and the way that Sargon responded, and he's not I'm
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  Speaker 2: not gonna say that Sargon or joker or wrong, but
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  Speaker 2: I think that they're missing an elephant in the room.
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  Speaker 2: Sargon described how she presents herself in a way that
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't need men and Sargon is saying that a
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  Speaker 2: man wants to feel needed and wants to feel respected
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  Speaker 2: by his partner, which is true. It's one hundred percent true.
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  Speaker 2: And she certainly is giving the impression that she's somebody
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  Speaker 2: who doesn't want to need anyone or doesn't want to
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  Speaker 2: need a man specifically, because that requires a certain amount
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  Speaker 2: of vulnerability and trust, and I don't think this individual
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  Speaker 2: is willing to extend that. And I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 2: Sargon is wrong about what men want, but I think
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  Speaker 2: that that's not the whole picture of why she doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have a man. And I think the Joker talked about
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  Speaker 2: how a man wants a woman who's just you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna smile on him when he comes home, Maybe
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  Speaker 2: make him a dinner, be emotionally available, be allowed to
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  Speaker 2: be intimate, you know, be a real partner. And he's
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  Speaker 2: not wrong either, But again, I don't think that's why
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  Speaker 2: she's single, because I think for both of them, they
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  Speaker 2: focus on this idea that it's a man who is
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  Speaker 2: no longer interested in her, and while that may be
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  Speaker 2: true at fifty four, it probably was not true at
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  Speaker 2: twenty four. So there's a there is a life path
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  Speaker 2: that this woman took to get her to the place
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  Speaker 2: at fifty four where men are starting to lose interest
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  Speaker 2: in her. And I think the idea that she isn't
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  Speaker 2: presenting something at fifty four and that's why she doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have a man, and I think that's only half of
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  Speaker 2: the story. So I wanted to get into it and
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  Speaker 2: maybe round out their interpretation of this woman's situation and
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  Speaker 2: why it exists. It's pretty difficult to do that prior
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  Speaker 2: to them having made their responses. And also, we had
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff last week. Brian finally got his
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  Speaker 2: computer and just this Sunday, Ozmo, My Ozmo turned into
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  Speaker 2: a spicy pillow. You guys know what that is, right,
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  Speaker 2: icy pillow it.
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  Speaker 1: Is Okay, It's where.
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  Speaker 2: else to use, and so it's been it's been a
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  Speaker 2: difficult week. So that's another reason why we haven't responded
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  Speaker 2: till now. But I feel like this does deserve a
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  Speaker 2: response because again the other responses I think we're lacking
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  Speaker 2: in some ways. And also it's interesting to see how
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  Speaker 2: insane this woman is as she sort of begs men
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  Speaker 2: to come back, but at the same time she wants
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  Speaker 2: men to know there are conditions right there, there's there
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  Speaker 2: are things that men need to do for her for
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  Speaker 2: her to take the men who have left back. So
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  Speaker 2: let's do you want to just get started and I'll
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  Speaker 2: deal with.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want me to play the video the monster?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Sure ahead, the monster video. Okay, so the we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get a reading done by this muppet so that
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  Speaker 1: they can per you know, we can interrupt and talk
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  Speaker 1: while it talks. So playing it now?
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  Speaker 4: Man, where have you gone? Please come back? So many
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  Speaker 4: men have retreated from intimacy, hiding behind firewalls, filters and
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  Speaker 4: curated personas, dabbling and scrolling. We Miss You. By Rachel
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  Speaker 4: Trucker May teenth, a warm Saturday night in Wicker Park,
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  Speaker 4: a vibrant stretch of Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: Where yeah, I know, like this is me doing fan
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  Speaker 1: fiction but okay, well you know, we'll let's listen to
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  Speaker 1: them some. I just want to say, though, we before
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  Speaker 1: we get too deep into this, I know that this
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  Speaker 1: is like a single woman's anecdote, but she's going she's
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  Speaker 1: I think responding to her personal anecdote is weakening overall,
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  Speaker 1: because we should be what this is. I think she's
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  Speaker 1: trying to speak for a group, like, let's say, a
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  Speaker 1: plurality of women that are experiencing the same thing. Like
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  Speaker 1: there was another article that I read on a patron
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  Speaker 1: show not long ago, put out by the Wall Street
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  Speaker 1: Journal that was similar to this, but it was more
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  Speaker 1: like looking at the trend, and it was it was
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  Speaker 1: framing it as, you know, more women are are living single,
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  Speaker 1: and it's they're doing like the sex and the city thing,
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  Speaker 1: and they're like they don't need men. But it's it's
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  Speaker 1: trying to frame it in a I didn't you know,
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  Speaker 1: like a sour grapes kind of way. But I think
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  Speaker 1: it's the same phenomenon. So I think that this is
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  Speaker 1: like a trend. I think that we're seeing like where
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  Speaker 1: have all the good men gone? It started off as that,
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  Speaker 1: Now it's just where have the men gone? Where good
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  Speaker 1: men gone? Now it's just where are the men? You know?
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  Speaker 1: So but anyway, so I'm just saying if we were
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, for in my opinion, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be served responding to this person's individual
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  Speaker 1: anecdote because she's speaking to something bigger. But we can
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  Speaker 1: use it as the let's say, the example of that
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  Speaker 1: bigger phenomenon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine, And she's gonna use her anecdote as
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  Speaker 2: sort of a grounding of the more like expanding this
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  Speaker 2: out to the greater world.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to be petty here. This writing is shit, okay.
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  Speaker 2: I journalists would just make the effort to become novelists,
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  Speaker 2: which actually takes a lot of effort, and stop putting
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  Speaker 2: this crap in their journalism because it reeks of I
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  Speaker 2: want to be a novelist, but I am either too
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  Speaker 2: lazy or incompetent to write a story that's compelling to
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  Speaker 2: anyone but my great aunt and my labradoodle. Okay, so
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  Speaker 2: stop it. Just write your thing. Don't try to create atmosphere. God,
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  Speaker 2: I hate that. I hate this endless, freaking, farted out
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  Speaker 2: atmosphere that you see in writing stories. We just recently
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  Speaker 2: did The Doctor Who, Gay Gay Black Doctor Who season
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  Speaker 2: last season, all like there was just too much atmosphere,
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  Speaker 2: this constant atmosphere, atmosphere people talking about nothing like it
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  Speaker 2: was getting really annoying. And this is something I've seen
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  Speaker 2: Lazy writers just write atmosphere. That's what she's doing. She's
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  Speaker 2: writing atmosphere. Where's the verb going to take a while.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Well? I guess we'll find out, but I just wanted
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  Speaker 2: to complain about that, because, you know, writing.
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  Speaker 1: Let's list to more of the here.
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  Speaker 4: In this article read by Gabra Zachman, women walking in
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  Speaker 4: pairs are alone, dressed with care at table after table
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  Speaker 4: at the nearby restaurants. There was a noticeable absence of men,
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  Speaker 4: at least of men seated in what looked like dates.
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  Speaker 4: Troy and I have known each other.
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  Speaker 2: Not only women lonely that don't put these crappy articles
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  Speaker 2: out on New York Times. Women like this also inflict
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  Speaker 2: their poetry upon the world.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean inflict.
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  Speaker 2: You could hear it is like a torture device, like
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  Speaker 2: the Vogon poetry reference.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, oh yeah, this sounds exactly like the article that
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  Speaker 1: I read for the Patron Show last week. I want
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  Speaker 1: to find it now because it sounds so similar to it,
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  Speaker 1: and it was essentially let me see where it is here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: American women are giving up on marriage, and they were
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  Speaker 1: literally saying the same thing. There was like that women
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  Speaker 1: are going out and they're looking at tables and there's
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  Speaker 1: like no men there. Or there was another one where
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  Speaker 1: they were doing like some kind of like speed dating
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  Speaker 1: event or some kind of dating event, a couple of
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  Speaker 1: singles event thing, and there were no men there. It
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  Speaker 1: was just women. There. Are you guys getting the hint yet, ladies? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but anyway, let's listen to more of the mollusk porcupine thing.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, almost oh years.
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  Speaker 2: Just so you know, Brian, we're getting some reports of
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  Speaker 2: issues with the sound. I don't know what they are yet. Well, god, porcupine.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think the video is a little low, but
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  Speaker 1: I can't I have it maxed out, so I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what I can do about that. Like, it's just
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  Speaker 1: it's just the video is a little bit low. I
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  Speaker 1: could try to turn up the gain on it.
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  Speaker 3: Let me see, Yeah, that might.
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  Speaker 1: With I have to use a filter for that. Give
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  Speaker 1: me a second here, I got to adjust it in obs.
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  Speaker 2: the technical issues of I guess the low volume.
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  Speaker 1: See let me see if it's changes anything or.
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  Speaker 4: Met it playboy of all play Okay, so it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is louder. Now let me just yeah, probably a
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  Speaker 1: little too loud. Yeah, so hold on all right, turning.
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  Speaker 2: These gin Bottle says not once does she hold women responsible.
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  Speaker 2: Jin she doesn't even hold herself responsible. There's like this
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  Speaker 2: moment where responsibility, you know, it just sort of floats by,
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  Speaker 2: and she's like, get away, get away, get away. It's
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  Speaker 2: actually pretty hilarious. I'll point it out.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let me play more.
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  Speaker 4: Back when we were both learning how does desire gets packaged, sold,
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  Speaker 4: and sometimes misunderstood, we stayed close, friends, bonded not just
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  Speaker 4: by our opinions, but by the effort it takes to
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  Speaker 4: stay in someone's life. That night, we made the effort. Still,
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  Speaker 4: what I saw unfolding around us felt like something else, entirely,
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  Speaker 4: a collective shift. I couldn't unsee. It started to become
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  Speaker 4: clear the previous April, when a man who had been
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  Speaker 4: pursuing me canceled at dinner at the last minute. There
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  Speaker 4: was a scheduling mix up with his son's game I understood.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a hog.
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  Speaker 1: I get it.
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  Speaker 4: Still, I went. I wore what I would have worn anyway.
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  Speaker 4: I took the table, I ordered well, and I watched
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  Speaker 4: the room.
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  Speaker 2: Well does that mean I ordered well? What are you six?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I managed to pull it off.
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  Speaker 2: This is how do you order well? You're just like U.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take the seventeen and the two Like what you really?
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  Speaker 2: You really knocked that one out of the park. How
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  Speaker 2: can I trust these these boss babes when they say
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  Speaker 2: things like I ordered well?
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  Speaker 3: Like what you mean?
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  Speaker 2: You have a fluent command of the language that you
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  Speaker 2: grew up in.
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  Speaker 3: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: Can anybody tell me? Like in the comments, what the
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  Speaker 2: heck is she on? Is she just patting herself on
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  Speaker 2: the back for something.
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  Speaker 1: Minuscule, for existing presence, for being the table.
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  Speaker 2: I have never thought to myself with an interaction with
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  Speaker 2: a waiter or a cashier, I've never thought to myself, wow,
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  Speaker 2: I did that well?
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  Speaker 3: I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was really knocking it out of the park. I
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  Speaker 2: was the one that brought my A game to that interaction, like,
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  Speaker 2: oh okay, let's uh.
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  Speaker 1: Okay super chat from Albatross. Thank you, he says this
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  Speaker 1: article legit made me angry with how disingenuous and emotionally
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  Speaker 1: manipulative I sounded. I think you mean it sounded the
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  Speaker 1: quote you don't have to be perfect end quote? Thing
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  Speaker 1: was hella dumb, thank you albatross. Yeah, it's all like,
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  Speaker 1: it's all like this kind of like self affirmation new
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  Speaker 1: agy stuff where women just say, you know, I'm enough
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  Speaker 1: and then then and that's supposed to be like a
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  Speaker 1: thing that they tell themselves. I don't know. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's I think it's generally bad, but I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to get into the weeds on that. So all right,
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  Speaker 1: should I play more? Alison? Are you muted? You're muted?
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know. I was struggling with my multiple screens.
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  Speaker 1: Here, all right, I'm playing more of this.
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  Speaker 4: Two tables nearby seem to hold actual dates. The rest
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  Speaker 4: were groups of women or women alone, each one occupying
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  Speaker 4: her space with quiet confidence, no shrinking, no waiting, no apologizing.
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  Speaker 4: That night marked something, not a heartbreak, but an unveiling,
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  Speaker 4: a sense that what I'd been experiencing wasn't just personal misalignment.
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  Speaker 4: It was something broader, cultural, a slow vanishing of presence.
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  Speaker 4: I spent over a decade behind the curtain of digital desire.
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  Speaker 4: As a custodian of records for Playboy and its affiliated
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  Speaker 4: hardcore properties, including sites like Spice TV, I was responsible
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  Speaker 4: for some of the most infringed upon adult content in
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  Speaker 4: the world. I worked closely with copyright attorney.
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  Speaker 1: I think she's laying out the case for COPE because Alevisa,
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  Speaker 1: I can find this in the article here. I spent
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  Speaker 1: over a decade behind the curtain of digital desire. So
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  Speaker 1: she's saying is that she should have a better understanding
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  Speaker 1: of attraction and dating and sexuality because she used to
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  Speaker 1: work for Playboy and its affiliated hardcore properties, including She's
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  Speaker 1: to Be I was responsible for some of the most
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  Speaker 1: infringed upon adult content in the world. I work closely
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  Speaker 1: with copyright attorneys and marketing teams to understand what exactly
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  Speaker 1: what it took to get a man to pay for
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  Speaker 1: content he could easily find for free. So she's trying
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  Speaker 1: to lay out the case as to why she is
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  Speaker 1: qualified to speak on this, and of course she's only
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  Speaker 1: speaking on it from the perspective of someone who essentially,
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  Speaker 1: like got made money off of exploiting men's sexual desire
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  Speaker 1: while also apparently not being available for men until her
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  Speaker 1: face interesting that.
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  Speaker 2: It is interesting because if you think about it, an
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: analogous position would be to say, I've worked in the
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: new product line in McDonald's and I know how to
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: get people addicted to my food. That means I am
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: a nutritionist who can provide you a roadmap to health. Yeah,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: there's two different things there.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely different things, you know. And like she's she's
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: in her fifties, right, I have a feeling that I
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: have a feeling that this is women that are at
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: this age and they're still trying to go out, go
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: to the club, go to the bars, go out for
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: women's girls night, whatever it is, and they're not finding
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: any men around. And it's because not just because the
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: young men are not looking at them, not just that,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: but because I think that the way that people are
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: getting together for those who are, they're not doing it there.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: And men her age have already either found someone, got married,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: sarder family found someone got married, or found someone and
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: stayed with them, or they accepted like they just went
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: full monk mode and they're just like off the radar.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: And she is looking around her and saying, something's wrong
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: with society. But I think something's wrong with.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Her, Well, yes, I meant.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I think it's it's I think she's right. Of course,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: she doesn't blame the parties that are to blame. There
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: is something wrong with society. There's also something wrong with her,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of wrong with what we tell
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: women about men. And also she doesn't isn't in position
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: like she is able to get a subset of men
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: to pay for porn. You know, that's a very specific
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: kind of skill set. That does not mean she understands
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: what men want in a relationship. And also her attitude
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: towards male sexuality. Well, you know what, let me let
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: me let her reveal that.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Let's let's see, let's keep going.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: And marketing teams to understand exactly what it took to
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: get a man to pay for content he could easily
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: find for free. We knew what worked. We knew how
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: to frame a face, adjust, mature a moment of implication
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: just enough to ignite fantasy and open a wallet. I
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: came to understand in exact terms, what cues tempt the
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: average eighteen to thirty six year old cis heterosexual man,
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: What drew him in, what kept him coming back? It
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: wasn't intimacy, It wasn't mutuality. It was access to simulation, clean, fast,
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: and frictionless. In that world, there's no need for conversation,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: no effort, no curiosity, no reciprocity, no one's feelings to consider,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: no vulnerability to navigate, just a closed loop of consumption.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: What struck me most wasn't the extremity of the content.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: It was the emotional vacancy behind it, the drift, the
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: way many men had quietly withdrawn from intimacy and vulnerability,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: not with violence or resistance.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, wait, is this now talking about pornography
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: or the world of pornography.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Apparently like men were just using it to get access
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to simulation, and there was no need for conversation, no effort. Well, yeah,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: it's porn Like you're not going to have a conversation
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: with porno movie. And I think that you're misstating if
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: you think it's frictionless. There's certainly friction. It died, it's
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: self inflicted, but it's there. And then she says what
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: struck meos wasn't the extremity of the content, was the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: emotional vacancy behind it, the way many men had quietly
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: withdrawn from intimacy and vulnerability, not with but it's no,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: it's just getting your rocks off, Like that's the she's
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: now are you? Is she trying to like suggest that
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: there's something pathological about men who like use porn for
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: what it's used for, Like it's literally what yeah get paid.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: He's essentially saying that men are sexually like I guess,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: emotional voids when it comes to their sexuality. Even though
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: she was talking about providing a product that is specifically
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: geared to that it's not about developing a relationship. Maybe
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: this is like a profound difference between men and women.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Women seem to want to develop a relationship in their
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: fiction with a character that is specifically designed to appeal
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: to them and not be anything. But so women have
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: this romantic relationship and supposedly it's superior to men just
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: getting the rocks off, And yet if you think about it,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: it's incredibly controlling. Like you're having a romance in these
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: romance novels. You're having a romantic relationship with the person
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: whose entire being is designed to appeal to you, and
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: it's getting worse and worse. Like in prior eras romance,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: they actually had to show this development of a kind
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: of a sympatico between the male and the female. Not anymore.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: The latest one was this one, this one but was horrible,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: where the guy sacrificed the job, did everything for her.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: She didn't do anything she had and she didn't need
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: to change at all. And that's not actually a romance,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: because the romance is about two parties actually changing and
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: growing and putting the relationship ahead of their own individualistists.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: That's not even in romance anymore. So it doesn't even
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: have that last bit of sanity. Now, the man is
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: just a projection of a control freaks idea of a man,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and you're having an emotional relationship with that. It's actually
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: more sane. What men do is to just get their
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: rocks off and leave their emotions for their relationships and
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: for valuing the individual in the relationship that they're you know,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: the woman who's in the relationship that they're with. Like,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: And what she's saying is that women, or she's implying,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: is that men's behave sexual behavior when they're consuming porn,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: it somehow informs their behavior when they're in relationships with women.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: But there's no like I said, she's a McDonald's food
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: expert saying, I know what nutrition is. No, you don't.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: You know how to sell a very narrow subset of
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: human experience. That's it doesn't mean you know what men
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: are like in relationships, right, or what men want from
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: women emotionally or in relationships. You just know how to
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: get men to pay for porn, and in that that
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: is a very specific subset of men, because most men
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: won't do that anymore unless it's only fans, which they're
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: really selling a parasocial relationship, which is something she should
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: think about. All right, so shall we do a bit more.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I think most people who consume porn probably don't pay
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: anything at all. I think most people don't if they
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: consume it, because it's so much of it out there
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: for free. But anyway, let's keep going.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Sitting across from someone on a Saturday night trying to connect,
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: they were scrolling, dabbling, disappearing behind firewalls, filters and curated personas.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Olly, I just want to pause for a second quick.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Here's a dig like men who are watching porn are
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: not the same men who are looking for a girlfriend
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: at the time, Like a man could be both of
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: those things at any given point in time, but not
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: at the same time, but she's trying to use the
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: fact that there are men who want content that she
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: helps create to essentially like describe the reason why she's
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: alone like that. I mean, it seems like that's how
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: she's justifying it. But we'll see.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: And while they disappeared together.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, sure.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, So what I'm getting from this is we've gone
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: from how she sees men consume porn, which, like I said,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily translate to their relationships, although romance novels probably
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: translate more, and in fact, there is some research suggesting
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: that romance novels ruin women's relationships more than porn news does,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: but regardless, because it emulates an actual relationship rather than
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: just being more of a physical response. But regardless to that,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: she's saying that because she understands this, she understands that
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: and she doesn't apply. But the other thing is she's saying, well, actually,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: this is just a loocid data on the all right,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: let me just move on. What she's saying is that
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: men's emotional hollowness when they can porn is somehow related
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: to their withdrawal of intimacy from the dating world. Their
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: withdrawal into indifference. So at one point men were present
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: in the dating world, but now they're not. And this
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: reminds her of porn. And this seems to be some
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: deep insight that she's presenting. And yet I don't think
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Tend to notice who wasn't arriving and to show up anyway.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: I'm vier infun six day. I've been dating since the
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: mid eighties, been married, been a mother, gotten divorced, had
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: many relationships long and short. I remember when part of
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: heterosexual male culture involves showing up with a woman to
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: signal something status, success, desirability. Women were once signifiers of value,
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: even to other men. It wasn't always healthy, but it
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: meant that men had to show up and put in
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: some effort. That dynamic has quietly collapsed. We have moved
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: into an era where many men no longer seek women
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: to impress other men or to connect across difference. They
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: perform elsewhere alone. They filtered us out. I recently experienced
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: a flicker of possibility with James.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: We met on.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Shall we address that they filtered us? But she's also
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: saying she's like the thing is that she has condemned
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: mail sexuality is hollow, emotionally hollow. She's now condemned men's
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: participation in the romantic sphere as being selfish and egotistical,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: and I mean, she's gonna go for a hat trick,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: like another way of condemning men. And then she asks,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: why have men disappeared?
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's because video guessn't have gotten better and
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you've gotten worse. Yeah, okay, Rayah.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: The dating app there was something mutual from the start, wordplay,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: emotional precision, a tone that felt attuned. It was brief,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: but it caught light. I remember saying to him, even
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: fleeting connections matter when they're mutual and lit from the inside.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: God that fries. Sorry, I'm gonna be triggered, be triggered. No,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you know what that phrase is from.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: It's the new matter when they're hotness in.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Literally literately, in media literacy, it's the new hotness. It's
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: pros lit from within is the new way of describing
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: beautiful prose. In other words, pros that does nothing but
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: suck its own ass. And she's using it here. This
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: is a woman who's a wanna be writer who just
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: doesn't have the chops anyway, that that phrase just really
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: drives me nuts. But she's just like, what is this?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: This is bullshit, Like we have two things that she
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: has expressed contempt towards men over and then this bullshit
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: which she's saying, Oh, there was a glimmer of hope,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: and then she vomits out that this bullshit.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, there's nothing, No, it's just let's let me go
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: back a teeny bits. I want to hear this, give
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: a little.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Bit, sending in those super chows to listen to this.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: When I loved it, remember saying to him even fleeting
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: connections matter when they're mutual and lit from the inside.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I meant it. There was just enough spark to wonder
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: what might unfold, enough curiosity to imagine a doorway. But
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: he didn't step through it, not with a plan, not
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: with presence. He hovered, flirting, retreating, offering warmth, but no direction.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: Sexual tension and a spark aren't reason enough to sit
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: still and hope there's substance behind the shimmer. So I
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: named what I felt. I texted him clearly, with care,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: not simply to declare attraction, but to extend a real
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: invitation to explore what was possible. I didn't Chase, I invited,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: leaving the door open if he ever wanted to cross
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: the threshold, not just to take but to meet. I
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: was willing. I wanted, I still do.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: He never Yeah, I got that.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought she was gonna say. So it
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: sounds like she's she was potentially getting involved with a guy,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: and she did not like the way that he was
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: proceeding with things. She had something she expected. Of course,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: men never know what that is. And in the era
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: of post me too, guess what, that's tough, guys almost
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: don't want to navigate that. It's almost like this is
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: a problem women created. I mean that, like, this is
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: something that people don't really want to mention. But yeah,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I mean this is a this is like a product
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: of me too.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: So that's can we listen to it again? I just
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: want to listen to it again because there's something that
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: you're right, there's something very critical in this.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, so right here brief but it caught light.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I remember saying to him, Even fleeting connections matter when
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: they're mutual and lit from the inside. I meant it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: There was just enough spark to wonder what might unfold.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: It isn't realize the curiosity red flag? What this is
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: a red flag?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: What she's doing?
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, because she's lecturing him over his emotional like
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: she's saying, this is valuable, even if it's fleeting like
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: she's she's actually putting herself in a position of lecturing
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: over relationships, which is astounding if you think about it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: And also the lit from within. I think this is
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the new phrase that if a woman uses it, you
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: should flee from within. This is this is this is
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: a phrase that probably indicates a large amount of neuroses
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: and this obsession with with being in a certain feeling
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: all the time, which is what writing has become. By
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: the way, It's about generating a feeling instead of telling
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: a story. Why the atmosphere is this constant freaking atmosphere. Okay,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: let's keep going. She's probably the terrible writer too. You'll
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: have to read her prose and say, oh, it's a
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: love your use of metaphor and color some shit.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: You imagine a doorway, but he didn't step through it,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: not with a plan, not with presence. He hovered, flirting, treating,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: offering warmth, but no direction. Sexual tension and a spark
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: aren't reason enough to sit still and hope there's some
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: since behind the shimmer. Oh I named what I felt.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, But here here's the other there. Do you notice
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: how she's framed this. He's indicating he's not interested, so
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: he's keeping a bit of distance, and she recognizes that,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: and she's saying instead of picking up the hints, she's
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: he's laying down. She is basically reframing this as her
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: rejecting him in a way. It's I do can't wait
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: for you to just be no, lady. He's telling you no,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: but he's doing it in such a way that you
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: don't blow up his life. But let's see what she's saying, ration.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: And a real invitation to explore what was possible. I
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: didn't chase I invited leaving the door if he ever
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: wanted to cross the threshold.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: The other thing you could just in her between wanting
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: a man but also wanting to reject man. That's why
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: she said I didn't chase him, because she's trying to
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: maintain a particular way of viewing herself as the one
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the table who's chased because run in her world or something.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Did you see what I'm saying? She's
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: trying to maintain a view of herself, and that view
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: of herself is actually one hundred degrees opposed one hundred
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: and eighty degrees opposed to actually being in a relationship.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Because he says I didn't chase, Well, why are you
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: saying you didn't chase when you are actually, by definition
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: chasing when you when you what you want. Well, I
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: mean that's not isn't that chasing?
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Actually no, he's withdrawing. You're going forward and putting even
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: more emotional energy into it. That is sort of the
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: definition of chasing. So you're saying, but I'm not doing
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: that as you're doing it. Why because it's inconsistent with
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: how you view yourself. You are the one who is
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: supposed to be chased, correct, And if you chase men,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: then you're a pick me, handmade and agent of the
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: patriarchy or some shit.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: That means you care. That means you are opening yourself
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: up to rejection, which is the wholest this is this
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: is the thing, guys, that is like distential horror and
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: terror for women like this to be rejected by men,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: To even accept the possibility is it just doesn't compute.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: All right, let's let's keep going, all right.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: But to meet I was willing. I wanted, I still do.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: He never replied, he still follows my Instagram stories, one
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: of those small gestures of passive engagement that so many
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: of us now mistake for closeness.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Or you forgot to unfollow, Like I don't like, I mean,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: what is it when you follow someone's Instagram stories? I
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: don't use Instagram, but like, is it just like you
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: click and you follow someone and if you like forget
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: or you know, ignore it or neglect to like look
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: at your Instagram, they just stay followed because I mean,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: he could just I don't. I don't think that he's
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: doing it on purpose. I think you're reading the things.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah interesting.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well this is a female thing. You know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: they ruminate, they read into stuff.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably right.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: He just was like, you know, okay, he probably didn't
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: even really think about it, like if.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: They they probably on Instagram, like yeah, like I'm.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Like friends with people on social media that I don't
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: remember why I ever added them that they're there. Think
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: about it, you know, social media, it's just it's online.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: No, And he probably was just like keeping it at
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: a distance. And I mean, I don't know what she
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: meant by flirting. Who the hell knows. At this point,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: she might be reading into the entire relationship. And this
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: guy was just like, hey, hey, once I see you
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: like marmalade cats, I also like marmalade cats. And she's like,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: how do you? How do you? It's like and then
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: she constructs this entire relationship and she's like backing away slowly.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: There was a glimmer of frigient No, maybe you invented
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: this whole thing. Maybe he was telling you. Maybe he
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: was interested initially, and he was telling you subtly. You know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not interested any further, so I'm not gonna I'm
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: not going to put any energy into it. Then you
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: put energy into it, and I don't think he even responded, Okay,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: you were rejected. You were rejected, possibly before using the.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Phrase lit from with thin or you know, maybe you're
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: just yeah, maybe you're just neurotic. And the guy was like,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: I thought we were clicking, but you probably threw up
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: some red flags, like when you guys are initially talking.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: And the guy was like, oh, or he saw going
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: to multiple chicks. I mean, maybe you were chasing the
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: chad and he was looking at he was playing the field,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: and you lost to a younger, hotter number. I mean
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: that's also possible.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also possible that.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: These guys just don't aren't interestedly when you're fifty, Like
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: she's fifty four and she's still playing the field at
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: fifty four. I would imagine that a single man has
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of baggage, like he's tried and been rejected
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: a lot. You know, you're not going to find a
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: lot of guys who were at that age who are
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: necessarily interested in relationship with a woman who is a divorcee,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: not a widow. You know, as you get older, you're
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: going to be competing with widows. I'm not even talking
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: about younger hotter numbers, but women who've actually strated some
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: kind of loyalty throughout their life because you know, women
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: live about six years longer and they're about you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: a certain amount younger. So there's gonna be a larger
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: amount of widows as you get older. So these fifty
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: four year old women getting you know, getting into fifties, sixties,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: they're not just going to be competing with young hot women.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: They're gonna be competing with women who were loyal their
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: entire lives. And you think a four or sixty year
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: old man who is fresh off either a divorce or
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: maybe a widow or that's really unlikely. Is he gonna
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: choose you versus a widow? Like and like you you're
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: talking about. Yeah, she's probably competing with She's not even that,
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: she's competing with an increasing body of women who've demonstrated
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: loyalty their entire lives to one man. You can't compete
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: with that. And yes, she's also competing with younger, hotter models. Yeah,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: but anyway, let's keep let's keep going.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I got a super chow cool yep, I got a
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: super child. Everybody give give us do some Italian hands
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: in the chap at. Pito gives us fifteen dollars. Thank you,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Pepito and says she can stay lit from within alone.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: He he he.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: What a self obsessed mis interest. Shame on New York
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Times for publishing this crap. She's see the one by
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal. It's it's like Wall Street Journal
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: is a more let's say, dry newspaper from what I remember,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: And they wrote an article that was similar to this,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: so maybe worse because it was like talking to multiple
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: women who are like, I can't find any men. I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: don't get it, But there are also so few men
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that are like making the same kind of money that
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I that I'm making. Essentially, they well, that's another that
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: could be its own show. But I didn't have to
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: show on it. I know it was good. Thank you
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Pepito for that. Men to women such as the article
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: writer for a dollar, this is Nova fan twenty one.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: You're not in a position to negotiate, You're in a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: position to beg And then Noba Fan twenty one gives
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: another dollar and says, is on rumble. I think her
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: article insists upon itself too much. That was how family
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Guy described to Godfather. It insists upon itself, lois, It
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: insists upon itself. Thank you for the super chats and
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Rumble rants probably, and she probably fingers in the chat.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Fill the screen with them because I want to see
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: them bouncing around. Okay, but go go ahead, Alex, and
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: what we're we gonna say, Well.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: She insists upon herself mostly, yeah, she does.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: She insists upon herself.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: She wants to be profound, and yet I don't even
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: think there's any kind of self awareness here. I'm going
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: to get to this because, like, like I said, there's
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: been a lot of interpretations of why this woman is single,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: and I think they're all not hitting the mark. So
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I'll get to my interpretation at the end.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: All Right, feels like silence. There are thousands of James.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: That's because it is silence. He's not interted, he's not
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: He's just not that into you, That's all it is.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: She's trying to like poetically explain how actually he is.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: He's just not brave enough to do it. No, he's
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: not into you. That's it. Like that. I'm sorry, but
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it's it's sad, but it's true.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, going back feels like silence. There are thousands of James's.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: I have known dozens. The arc varies, but the undertoe
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: is familiar. What I won't entertain is directionless orbiting. That
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: thing so many men.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, directionless orbiting. Okay, is this not the
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: most delusional statement yet, Brian, she's said he's directionlessly orbiting her.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't admit that he's really into her, fifty
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: four year old ass.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: The thing is that he's she has. The way that
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: she's described this is he wasn't really interested right, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: then she I guess shot her shot which I supposed
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: good on her, and he withdrew completely. How is that
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: directionless orbiting? It sounds like someone might have had a
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: mild interest in you initially, and then you said we
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: could be lit from within, and he's like crazy, meter
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: going going into the red. And then he's like, I'm
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna just walk away in the most inoffensive
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: way so that you don't blow up my life, and
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna just stop responding to you. And she terms
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: this to be ineffectual orbiting. No, this is a man
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: who's not into you. Okay. If he wasn't too you initially,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: he ceased being into you. Okay, do you see what
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about. She can't handle the idea that she
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: was rejected, so she reframes his behavior under the assumption
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: that he still desired her somehow, and that you know,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: his indifference and following her on Instagram means that he's
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: orbiting her. He's still yeah, like you said, he's still interested.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: But it's because it defies her sense of herself as
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: a woman, her value to just acknowledge that this man
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: is not interested in you.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, back to the.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: Video and the perpetual maybe the emoji check INDs the
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: casual seeing where it goes without ever going anywhere. We
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: call it a situationship, but mostly it's avoidance, an abdication
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: of ownership of feeling, a behavior of sex that isn't
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: a means to an end, but is communion. There was
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: a time not so long.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: The advocation of ownership of feeling, of behavior of sex
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: that isn't a means to an end, but is communion.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, lady, lady, sex that isn't a
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: means to an end. So you're saying that these these
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: men are having sex with you as a means to
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: an end. Oh, I see what you're what you're saying,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: you're saying that the sex needs to lead to a
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: relationship and it's not good grief.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you worked for Playboy? Yeah, why did you think,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: like what kind of people? What kind of circles are
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: you moving in that you know where a person who
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: works for well not just Playboy, because she said it's like,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: you know, she also worked for like more hardcore porn companies,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Like well, what what circles. Are you traveling in, lady?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I mean the maybe I think you you're looking for
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: a man that probably doesn't take in what you're selling.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: That's like, you know, going back to your McDonald's analogy.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: We you've worked at McDonald's and you're upset that, like,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: you know, the I don't know, like the CEO of
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Whole Foods doesn't want anything to do with you. Yeah,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to eat your food? You know?
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's what. Yeah, you're using. Yay, I got
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: an analogy that worked. I am so proud of myself.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I ordered well, yeah, okay, I ordered going up.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: Well, when even a one night stand might end with
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: tangled limbs and a shared breakfast when the act is
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: staying the night didn't.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Fucking god, lady, what the hell you're hoping for a
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: share a one night stand that you actually end up
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: eating breakfast with the person?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: What are what is? What are your options?
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Does he just kick you out as soon as he's done,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: He's like, get out, get clothes. No, No, I don't care.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: You're paying for your own uber. Oh my god, that's
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: that baby? Stop having I don't know. Actually, there's not
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: much advice that I can give this woman. She's fucked,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: but let's let's keep going, all right.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Just a willingness to be human for a few more hours. Now,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: even that kind of unscripted context.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: You're only human when you're smelling like you're in a
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: man's bed.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: When the act of I'll read the sentence again because
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I have it in front of me, When the act
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: of saying the night didn't announce a relationship. Just a
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: willingness to be human for a few more hours. Now,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: even that kind of unscripted contact feels rare.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: What the fuck does that even mean? Like it sounds
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: like she's wanting to get a relationship and she's having
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: one night stands and now it's just it's completely about
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: the sex.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what, maybe I don't think she understands
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: what a healthy relationship looks like this.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Occurs to me really quickly. Maybe what's happening here is
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: you're getting exactly what you expect to get from men. Right,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: You you believe you have a particular attitude towards men. Right,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: you believe that men you base your beliefs about male
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: sexuality on getting a very small subset of even pornography
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: users to buy your content. Let's face it, most men won't.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I don't even know why they would buy her content.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: But whatever, Well, she didn't make it, she just marketed it.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: But you're basing your opinion on men's sexuality on a
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: very small subset of men who are using pornography for
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: a very specific task. And it doesn't mean that sex, Like,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: they don't believe that sex can be part of an
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: emotional relationship. They're just not interested in having a control
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: freak pigmalion version of a woman who is giving them
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: the sex like romance novels and male characters. Right, they don't.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: So it's like this is a physical act. The relationship
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: is separate to a degree, it's an expression of intimacy,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: but at this moment, it's just physical release, right, And
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: she's taking that and she's applying it to all ma sexuality.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: And then she's also saying the only reason that men
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: showed up at all was to have a trophy on
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: their arm was because of egotistical posturing with other men. Right,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: these are your beliefs about men. Why are you expecting
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: the men you attract to defy your beliefs about what
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: men do? And who they are rather than confirm them.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: And that's not that's not that's not the ultimate reason
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: why I think she's finding these guys and is facing loneliness.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I'll get to that, but that's just something that occurred
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: to me when I re listened to this. I don't know,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: do you have anything to add to that, Brian, or
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: is it complete in and of itself?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Well, it's I was just going to say that I
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: think that the fact that she works in an industry
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: that creates fantasies, I think that she's kind of bought
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: into her own product and she's looking because like what
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: the way that it sounds like she wants something that
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: you would find in a romance novel where there's like
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: a one life stand, but it turns into pretty woman.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: And this is like the problem with all modern dating
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: is that everybody thinks, well, a lot of people think
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: that that's the way things happen, like in these fictional
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: stories of you know, love at first sight, boy meets
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: girl and I and she's like in her fifties and
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: she hasn't woken up to the fact that that's just
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: not the way it usually goes for people. I mean,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: you might get lucky, but like, it's not like this,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: she's chasing the spark, and that's just not the way
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: it goes. This is what I'm saying.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: You know, she's right, she's chasing the spark. You can't.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: There is no luck that will give you a romance
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: lavel life that doesn't exist. And this is this goes
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: back to what I'm saying that in a romance story,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: the male character is a pigmalion version of a man
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: constructed entirely to please the woman on every facet. So
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: there's nothing that exists. You talk about men using pornography
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: to get off, it's not it's because they don't want
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: to think necessarily about the nature of the woman, because
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: they don't think it's not there's these two separate things,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: whereas women, in order to have this sexual release, they
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: have to have a man who exactly models their pygmalion
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: controlling desires about men. Now, I mean, again, not so
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: bad generations ago, but now it's really bad. It's really
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: bad in terms of romance. So it's like, that's not
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: an emotional connection, that's just reflecting your freaking cortical folds
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: back at you. Right, it's just it's utter emotional syllopsism,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: you know. And you're right, she's chasing the sparks, she's
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: chasing that the feeling that romance novels give you. Yes,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: you're not going to get that from a actual relationship,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: because actual relationships are like life difficult, you know.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: And I don't mean that.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I don't mean the relationship itself is difficult. It's that
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: you can't expect that from another human being. You can't
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: expect to go into a relationship with someone who's going
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: to constantly give you sparks, constantly make you feel a
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: certain way. It doesn't work like that. You go into
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: a relationship because you want somebody to be able to
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: freaking tie down the sales when you're going into a
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: damn storm with you, like you just want somebody who
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: as your back because life is hard enough. All right,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: let's listen more.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Let's keep going.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: We've built so many boundaries that we've walled off the
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: very moments that make connection memorable. And frankly, who.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Built the world. Who built the boundaries? So who built
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: who is we? Again? This goes back to the thing
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I've been saying. Feminists say society or we or other
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: collective abstract terms to refer to people. They're usually referring
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: to either men or women, depending on the context they
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: are trying to get out of. If it's blaming men,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: then they'll say men, or they'll yeah, they'll just say men.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: If they can't say men, they'll say society. And then
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: they'll assume that you're gonna go with men on that.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: So when she says we have built walls, yeah, I
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: don't think that men did that. No, I think men
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: did that.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: But anyway, all right, morning sex is often the best sex.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Sometimes you even get a side of eggs.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Morning sex is often the best sex. She's horny, she's
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: got the horny. I don't have a I don't have
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: a baseball bat on me.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: But morning sex is often the best sex. Sometimes you
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: even get a side of eggs before you disappear from
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: their bed and their life forever. This idea that vulnerability
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: is a feat set of an invitation.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I have a relationship, and guess what we do every morning?
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: We share bacon and eggs every single morning, or sometimes
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: a bowl of rice crispies, you know, either, or I.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Make breakfast and he makes dinner. It's a it's a
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: it's a great arrangement that works for us.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a part of her ship.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I kick ass at making eggs and I can make
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: it in a couple of different ways. And she's simple.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: She likes she likes some sunny side up with toasts
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: because she likes to put the toast in the yolk
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: or turn it into like an open face sandwich. That's it.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, it's we're low maintenance people. I had time,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah today for dinner. They were delicious.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: I'm having fasting today for dinner.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: But we do that Wednesday and Friday.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to do it three days a week. Just
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: it's not even just for like weight loss. It's also
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: because my stomach is total like it doesn't work, so
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I need to recharge my digestive en zomes. And that's
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: more information than you ever needed to know, all right,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: this this woman. Think about how many times Lindsay got
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: to eat eggs with you, Brian, and this woman because
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: she'll she'll never know that because she doesn't have the
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: right priorities.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Well, she's still she's still, she's still weaving her anecdote narrative.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: So we're now I think she's getting to like what
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: she wants to say, the finger pointing yes.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: The finger point is maybe we're between paradigms mourning what's fallen,
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: not yet fluent in what comes next. The infrastructures of intimacy, slowness, curiosity,
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: accountability have been eroded by haste, convenience, and a kind
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: of sanctioned emotional retreat. It's not about blaming men. It's
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: about noticing the imbalance, about.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: The imbalancing what's not.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: It's not about.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Blaming men, Brian. It's about noticing the imbalance. Because women
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: are present and men are not, men are not blame blame.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be called out for blaming men,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: but I want to blame them here. So she talks
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: about balance, which means blame men. And when women are
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: not present, when men are present, you know, it's we
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: don't think about the balance there, No, we just blame
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: men for not being good enough. What is she trying
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: to say here? I just want to.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Notice she's wants to blame men, but she doesn't. Maybe
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: it's become a little bit like a little bit less
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: cool to do that. I don't. Okay, let's just keep
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: let's keep going, because now she's getting.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: To it, meaning getting to it and about refusing to
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: dress it up as personal failure when it's actually a
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: collective reality. So here's what I'll say, by me.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: But but.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: She's saying she doesn't want to see it as a
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: personal failure because it's a collective reality. So there is
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: this moment of potential accountability. But now it's it's a
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: collective reality, which means that men are to blame. That's
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: that's what that usually means. If all women are suffering something,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: then somehow men are not doing something, or doing something
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: or indifferent to something something. Some men are, men are
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: involved somehow, and men need to take responsibility. But there
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: was a moment she's like, maybe it's me. Yes, it
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: is you, and it can also still be you if
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: it's a whole bunch of other women doing the same
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: things that you're doing.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Like, okay, all right.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: When it's actually a collective reality. So here's what I'll say.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: You are missed, not just by me, but by the
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: world you wants help shape. We remember you, the version
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: of you that lingered at the table, that laughed from
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: the chest, that asked questions and waited for the answers,
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: that touched without taking that listened, really listened when a
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: woman spoke. You are not gone, but your presence is thinning.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: In restaurants, in friendships, in the slow rituals of romantic emergence.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: You've retreated not into malice but into something softer and harder,
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: all at once, avoidance, exhaustion, disrepair.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, men are checking out. They're like zy snory yet,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: but this is a way that women are going to
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: react to this. Apparently they're not going to be like
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: my bad. Okay, but well there is more here, so
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: we'll see.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: But I just want to point out that she is
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: saying men like this is all pointing the fingers at men.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: She says she doesn't want to blame men, and she
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: proceeds to do so. She says she doesn't want it.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: She didn't chase, and then she describes chasing like this
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: is this isn't this is an unreliable narrator. All right,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: let's keep all right.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Maybe no one taught you how to stay, Maybe you
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: tried one, sent it hurt. Maybe the world told you
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: your role was to provide, to perform, to protect, and
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: never to feel. But here's what's real. We never needed
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: you to be perfect. We needed you to be with us,
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: not above, not muted, not masked, just with And you
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: can still come back, not by becoming someone else, but
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: by remembering what connection feels like when it's honest and slow,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: when it's earned and messy and sacred. We're still here.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like going back, Brian? I mean, if
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: you were single with this call, with this uh lighting
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: the grass?
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: This doesn't work.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Now if this doesn't work with Lindsay, and I don't
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: think that's going to happen. But no, I'm not going
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: back out there. I'm done.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this call you can have an authentic connection
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: with me? Really, a person who can't keep her freaking
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: line straight for two sentences? How do you have an
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: authentic connection with that?
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: And what makes you.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Think that constantly generating the romance novel experience is a
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: real authentic connection. And then the assumption here is again,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: why did men leave if this was what was on offer,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: an authentic connection? Right? I don't think that's what happened,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: she says. So men used to be there because of
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: egotistical reasons of showing women off to their male friends, right,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: And now she's saying come back because do that. But yeah,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: the authentic connection. But you just said that the reason
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: why men dated was not for an authentic connection, but
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: just to show off a woman on their arm. So
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: which is it? Okay?
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: All right, okay, so let's hear the rest. I think.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when it's earned and messy and sacred, we're still here,
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: those of us who are willing to co create something true.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: We are not impossible to please. When not asking for performances,
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: we are asking for presence, for courage, for breath and
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: eye contact and the ability to say I'm here. I
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: don't know how to do this perfectly, but I want
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: to try. Come back, not with flowers or fireworks, but
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: with willingness, with your whole, beautiful, imperfect heart. We're still
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: here and we haven't stopped hoping.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Is it crying? It's weird I did that, you added
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: this inky.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: I did all of the mot like that. People are
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: saying it looks like AI slop. I actually did all
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: of the movements. I was getting pretty ridiculous there in
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: places and the emotions. So I'm having her job during
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: this heart felt appeal to men to come back. Because
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: men left, I don't know why, because apparently women no
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: longer functioned as trophies. And now she's going to say
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: that men should come back for something that she said
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: that men didn't want in the first place, which is
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: which is authentic connection?
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, let me let me listen to
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: that last again.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, with your whole, beautiful, imperfect heart. We're still here
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: and we haven't stopped hoping. As for me, I'll keep
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: showing up. Not because I'm waiting, because I know what
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: it feels like when someone finally arrives.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Again, it's not because I'm waiting, even though I'm waiting.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting down in our room with a bunch of
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: metal chairs with like fake vinyl seats and a bunch
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: of newspapers on the side table, and I have a
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: number that I took from the reception. But I'm not
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: waiting again, unreliable narrator, what's authentic about this? And how
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: dare she say that the men who are not interested
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: in here and have left have the imperfect hearts? What's
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: an imperfect heart?
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: What's this?
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Slot?
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: No idea?
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: And again like this is like she already preloaded this.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let her get away from this. She
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: said that men are emotionally in terms of their sexuality,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: and their interest in women is purely in terms of
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: having a trophy to show off to other men. And
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: now she's saying, men, please come back, come back, and
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: we'll have authenticness. And yeah, I'm really not going to
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: reject your authentic self, even though I'm a divorcee with
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: multiple relationships in which I have demonstrated that I rejected
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: men because I left them. And then again, all of
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: this is in response to a dude who is like,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not interested. I'm just not interested, not interested. Didn't Actually,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: maybe this could have been this New York Times article
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: could have been prevented if that guy actually took one
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: for the team and said, lady, no, okay, I'm actually
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: considering getting a restraining order here, leave me alone. But
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: you know, of course he has to deal with the
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: potential of her blowing up his life. But maybe we
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: could have been spared this article if he'd just been
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: explicitly honest, I'm not interested. I'm not orbiting you. I
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: don't have secret desires. And now she's saying, come back,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: come back to this dude, he's not interested. Come back.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: We'll have eggs in the morning. And authenticness. He's not interested,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: And there's no analysis of why men have genuinely left,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: no actual question why men aren't interested anymore, why men
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: aren't showing up? No, it's it's did she actually even
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: think about that once.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Throat all of us about what that she was?
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: No, why men aren't actually showing up? Or does she
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: simply say, well, men used to show up because of trophies,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: and I guess now men are are quietly possessing their
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: space and are no longer trophies. So men have skidaddled.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying, we know that we've taken everything from you,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: but please don't, please don't leave the table. You should
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: come back to the table, even though you have nothing
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: that you you know, hear the table, Yeah, you have
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: nothing now like we have everything. So it's like, you know,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I think again, Carl said, and we can get into like,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: you know, what people's responses were. But Carl said, the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: problem is that men do want to feel a sense
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: of purpose and meaning. And I think that's why men
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: even now are happier generally than women are, because men
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: are at least you know, there is something the world
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: asks of them. With women, there isn't they just like,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: you know, do whatever you want, work, don't work, go
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: to school, don't go to school, stay at home with
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: your parents, move out. Nobody's gonna judge you because you're
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: not allowed to opening only fans fuck up thousand dudes
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: in a day, you know. I mean, you'll get some
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: people pushing back and saying something, but you can just
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: call them like you know, I don't know, like Puritans,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: and then like move on with your day and it
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Like whatever shape you're in, after everything's over with,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: you got a man's got to pick you anyways, because
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: you have a right to that. And I think that
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: because we don't hold women to anything and we just
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: completely liberated them, they're miserable because there's no meaning in
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: their life. Meanwhile, men, you know, despite all of the obstacles,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: they tend to do better, better, like what their mental
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: health is better. And a part of it I think
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: has to do with the fact that they are struggling,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: because it does, you know, at the very least, it
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: builds character. I'm not saying it's fair or right, but
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: the reality is, I think men do better because they
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: actually know if I don't have a job, like they're
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: not separated from the consequences of their actions or inactions.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Right A man knows I have to work a woman,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: you know, do you know that women are like a
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: lot more likely to just quit their job, like at
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: the drop of a hat, like if they just don't.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: You know, one chick she quit she's thinking like eighteen
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars a week, and she just quit because she
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: didn't like the way like the you know, her boss
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: talked to her or something, you know, and it was like, wow,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: that's that must be really nice to be able to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: just quit a job that pays that well because you
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: just don't feel one hundred percent comfortable because you know
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: that if you do that, everyone in your circle is
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: going to come together and help you out. But men
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: are basically like you just I just got to go
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: to work. I don't like my job, but I got
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: to do it right and I and then you know,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: it is the reality. But at the same time, because
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: we are harder on men, they deal with it better
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: because they don't have an alternative. But because we're so
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: nice to women, they're actually not doing well, Like that's
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: why they're mind pills more than the so called fees
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: with the valium. It's way worse the SSRIs and women
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: are on because they're living a life of complete liberation
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: and no meaning. So you know, I mean, that's just
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: what I think.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Anyway, And actually there is studies to corroborate this ability
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: to manage their emotions is superior to women. It's their
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: ability to avoid rumination and other negative behaviors is superior
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: to women. It's just that they're dealing with more. That's
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: why they suicide more. Are they unlive themselves more?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Men?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Men? Yeah, things are better at it too.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: They mean it, yeah, yeah, they mean it.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Does it? They're done, you know, and they don't have like,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: they don't have the services, they don't have anybody like this.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: American Psychology Association basically says, if you're a man, put
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: a man at odds with his identity. So if he
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: wants to be mentally healthy, the American Psychology Association will
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: put him at odds with his masculine identity. They'll say, oh,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: it's because you want to be masculine that you have
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: mental health issues, which is not true. It's not born
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: out statistically men's behavior in terms of their mental health.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: It's better than women's. It's just they're dealing with more.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: They're dealing with losing custody. They're dealing with being discriminated
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: against the in the workplace and in education, teachers mark
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: boys less. There are literally female only scholarships and female
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: only employment opportunities, and men are doing the hardest jobs
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: in society. So it's just, you know, men, why do
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: they own the live themselves more. They're dealing with more.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: They're carrying a heavy load. Heavier load, all right, because
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: I mean if you actually look at something that if
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: you actually hold something consistent. So you look at suicide
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: or unliving yourself in a profession like being a doctor,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: and you look at men and women and for the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: most part, you hold all of the pressures consistent. So
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: doctors generally have the same amount of pressure. And you
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: look at like er doctors who have to work unholy
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: hours and stuff, and you look at the men and
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: the women in the profession. Women are women are unliving
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: themselves more. They can't handle the pressure as well as men. Sorry, guys,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: just true. All right, let's keep.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Going or is this the end of the video. That's
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: the end?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, well all right, so I'm going to get
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: into why I think that she is having the issues
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: that she's having, and maybe this extends to everyone generally. Actually,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: could you go back, like a few seconds and we
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: could play a little bit more.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: I need to do better a few seconds and then play. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: where I stopped. It is just them. It's just saying
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: like who wrote it and stuff and who they are,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: So yeah.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: It's perfectly I want to try come back, not with
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: flowers or fireworks, but with willingness, with your whole, beautiful,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: imperfect heart.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Where still she's saying it to this guy who ghosted her,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: as he's not interested.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: I'll keep showing up, not because I'm waiting, because I
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: know what it feels like when someone finally arrives. Rachel
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: Drucker is an.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right, yeah, so she's not waiting. She's
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: just waiting. Guys, She's waiting for you to come back,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: even though you don't want to. And I don't think
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: this appeal is making any men actually want to come
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: back because people can say anything they like, but their
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: actions say more about who they are than what they say.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: This woman is saying, oh, come back with your imperfect
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: your imperfect heart, Okay, so you're prejudging the men that
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: aren't interested in coming back to you. And then she's
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: also said again, men's sexuality is emotionally hollow, and men
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: were interested in dating for trophies. So she's already pre
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: judging men. And then her behavior throughout all of this
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: is she could directly contradict herself. She describes chasing someone
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: and saying, no, I wasn't chasing, you know, she did
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: something else that I remember of it was, I'm not
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: blaming men. And then she describes everything that's wrong, everything
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: that men have failed at. You know, they're in disrepair,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: they're quitting whatever, you know, and takes no responsibility at
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: all as a woman for this situation or even the
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: situation that she's in.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: It.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: She doesn't have to necessarily take responsibility for the actions
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: of other women as long as she hasn't counseled women
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: to take those actions, but she hasn't taken responsibility for
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: her own actions. She says and said, Hey, maybe the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: problem isn't men. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. She explicitly
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: avoids it by saying, oh, this seems to be universal. Well,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: all women could be making the same problem or making
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: the same mistakes that you're making, you could still take
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: personal responsibility. Right, doesn't do that? And then she, like
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: I said, she says she's not blaming men, but who's
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: to blame? Men are the ones that have to take responsibility, right,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: They're the ones who have to come back with their
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: authentic selves even after basically saying nope to her, right
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: this is And then she says I'm not waiting when
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: she's patently waiting. Right. She has been inconsistent, So there's
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: no reason to believe that this is an authentic appeal, okay,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: and every reason to believe that she continues to judge men.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: And this is the real reason why she's single. It's
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: not because she's not giving men a sense that they
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: can do stuff with her, or she's not giving men
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: a sense that she's a good partner. Of course, she's
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: not doing that. She's giving men no reason to come
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: back at all. I mean, then she's set this up herself.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: This is her attitude towards men. They are wham bam,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: thank you, ma'am. While you're fifty four years old, you
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: don't have a lot of wham bam. Plenty of ma'am though,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: So it is no longer working for you, right, And
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: that is your attitude towards men since you were in Playboy, okay,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: and they are giving you what you believe they are,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: all right, why would you expect anything different. But here's
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: the other thing. She is not getting a man because
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: she's not being she's showing men that they can do
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: something for her, like Sargon said, or she's presenting herself
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: as a decent companion like Joker said. She's not getting
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: a man because she didn't do the work period when
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: the work needed to get done. She is now at
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: fall and she didn't plant a garden, and she's looking
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: around and she says, I don't have a harvest. Yeah,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: well you didn't plant a garden when you were supposed
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: to be planting. That's why you don't have a harvest now. Right.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to be creating a relationship when you're young, right,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: and then when you get older you reap the rewards
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: of having stuck with someone for that length of time
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: and having a opinion and being loyal to that companion.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: When you're fifty four, nobody fucking wants you anymore except
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: the person who has been by your side since you
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: were twenty seven or twenty two, Right, that is the
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: reality here. You haven't built your harvest, lady, so you
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: get nothing.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: You're you're a little far from the mic house, and
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: you're low, scrying low.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: I'm coming in while I'm screaming. So maybe that's a
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: good thing, right, she has and what she did instead
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: was And this is why I brought up the fact
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: that you sort of get these glimpses of how she
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: wants to eat her cake and have it too. Wants
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: like with that particular anecdote about the guy who ghosted her,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: she wants to pretend like she was the one that
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: was rejecting him because he was orbiting her when he
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: was actually ghosting her, he wasn't giving her any indication
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: he had any interest in her at all. Luke warmed
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: like maybe even politeness, and she wanted to reframe that
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: as him orbiting her and just not making the effort
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: that she wanted in the relationship. Therefore she moved on.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: That's ridiculous, though she's not. She's still waiting, right, that's ridiculous,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: And it's because she can't conceive of being rejected by men.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: And that is the real big problem. She sees herself
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: worth in terms of rejecting men, so she's rejected them
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: throughout her life. She's basically sees her self worth in
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: smashing her harvest. I don't need I don't need no garden.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go smash it. So she builds another garden
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: and she goes smashes it, and all her all her
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: friends do the seal clap when you smashed your garden,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: that was great. You're such a word more than that garden.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: You're worth more.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: You should, you should?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: She does it over and over again. She's rejecting building
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: anything because the rejection feels so good. Being able to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: reject a man just feels so it's so fulfilling. And
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: that's what she's been doing, you know, kicking him in
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: out to the curb for whatever reason. Like shee how
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: many opportunities did she have to build that long term relationship,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: she says she had of marriage and then multiple men, right,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: I've seen that happen. Okay, The women who go into
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: that downward spiral never get a man better than our
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: first husband. Never, and they get ones that have significantly
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: more baggage as they go down. Never get a man
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: better than the first husband. Right, you had an opportunity
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: to have a life with someone. What did you squander
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: it on? What's the real reason why you left him?
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: And if you think about it, was it really because
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: he was a narcissist or abusive or because he was boring?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Because that's the most common he's boring. Yeah, when your
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: garden is just starting, it's boring. It's boring, but you
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: stick with it. You stick with it. A lot of
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: us get a lot of sense of satisfaction in knowing
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: that we have expressed loyalty and helped another human being
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: have a better life or made someone else's life better. Right,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: So we enjoy the process of growing our garden and
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: when we're fifty four we get a nice harvest. You don't.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: You didn't do the work. You just enjoyed rejecting men.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: So it's not like it's not because she doesn't present
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: the idea that men can take responsibility for her, or
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: you do stuff for her, or because she doesn't present
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: the idea that she'd be a good can Neither of
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: these things are wrong because she doesn't. It's because she
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: literally sees herself in terms of rejecting men more than
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: accepting them. And building a life with them. It's like
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: asking like a ballimic, asking, well, why can't I keep it?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Why can't I keep dinner down? Because you keep shoving
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: your fingers down your throat? Right, that's why, lady, Why
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: can't you keep a relationship? Because you keep shoving your
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: fingers down your throat and vomiting up the men who
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: you attract. And at this point in time, it's too late.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: You probably you don't have the mentality to have a
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: proper relationship. Like you get freebies when you're young and
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: you're a woman, you get a lot of freebies. You
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: get like men interested in you, men wanting to have
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: a relationship with you. Those freebies go away as you
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: get older, and if you haven't turned those freebies into anything,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have nothing. Sorry. I hope your kid likes you.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: That's about okay. Did you want to add anything to that?
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I just I think that I will speak and then
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: you can add what you want. But I think it's
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: just it's it's it doesn't framing it in terms of
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: what she's not giving men, I don't think captures what's
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: really happening here here. The problem is that she rejected
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: her opportunities, right, she rejected them, and now she's opportunities
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: of run out.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Well, she got married and then divorced. I think that
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: she said there were children involved, so she threw away
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: something that was there that she had. And of course
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: we're not going to know like the reason for it,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: you know, So I don't want to speculate, but I
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: think that should have been priority number one. Maybe your
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: happiness doesn't come first. So that's the problem.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Young Budski TV. Because the guy couldn't lead. No, I
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: think he let himself out the door quite aptly.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Why would a guy lead if he's not interested?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why would the guy lead if he's.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Not in or he doesn't appear to be interested. So
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: you're basically saying he should just be in the relationship anyway,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: and just what prove that he's a leader to a
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: woman he doesn't want anything to do with. That's what's
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: the word for it. Retarded, Yeah, that.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: Is the word for it. Man, I just readalized. I'm
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: off center. God damn it. I was so careful about
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: centering myself too.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's his lack of leadership is
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: the problem here. It's the fact that he's not interested
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: in her, and a whole bunch of men are not
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: interested in women. And if you want men to lead,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to reduce how many powers women have
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: a socially and bia state sanctioned. Maybe maybe get them
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: a little bit more equal. But this conversation is one
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: we can't seem to have, at least not in more
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: mainstream circles. But anyway, like I said, I thought that
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: the real critical thing that's being missed is her problem.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: She sees herself in terms of rejecting men because she
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: wants to be morally superior to men. That's a peer
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: and position. Throughout this entire thing, did you notice that
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: she's morally superiod and that men can come back, presumably
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: since she said it before that men only wanted women
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: for trophies. That men can come back when they deal
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: with their shit and start wanting authentic connection, or maybe
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: they just don't want to come back, right. Trophies are
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: not because it oherent to this entire analysis is that
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: the reason why men are not dating is because they
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: no longer get their patriarchal benefits from dating, which is
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: being able to show women off as trophies So when
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: she says I want you back, I want an authentic connection,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: I don't buy it.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Everybody anation is a confession.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: How how can you have an authentic connection to somebody
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: you have moral contempt for? And she don't. She's ever
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: going to admit that she might be profoundly wrong about men.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: I'm almost certain that she's a feminist. Is she ever
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: going to say, you know what, she.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Actually used the term cisgendered, heteronormative or something in in
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: her thing that that's usually that's usually a dead giveaway
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: that we're talking about a gender ideologue.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: So I'm guessing that the actually saying, oh yeah, maybe
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: I was wrong about this unscientific assertion that men oppress women,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: and it's very unscientific. How many animals do you think
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: exist in which the male actually oppresses the female? Maybe chimps,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: but I don't think that that's actually really Chimps are
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: not a really good model for humans because we have
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: we're obligate pair bonders, which means children die without their fathers.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: So you really think in that circumstances, men and women
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: are going to evolve to be at war. No, they're
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: going to evolve highly cooperative relationships, Like, that's the thing.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Why do you think humans are so unique? Because men
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: and men are highly cooperative? Men and women are highly
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: cooperative men, women and women are more cooperative than other
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: female grade apes. But that doesn't say much. But that's why.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: So it's ridiculous to say that men and women are
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: at war and that a society could be evolutionarily fit
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: when it sets its men and women at war with
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: each other. Doesn't make sense at all, and it's never
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: been scientifically proven. Is she ever going to say, you know,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: I might be wrong about men. Maybe men aren't inherently evil,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: maybe they don't have flawed hurts. Okay, all right, yeah,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: do you want to I think that's it CALA today
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: or do the.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: The basketball whatever you want. I mean, I feel like
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: the Kaitlyn Clark I did watch it, Yeah, I mean
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: it was a WNBA oh the diet Coke of sports.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Although Kaitlyn Clark is like an exceptional player. I know,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: I'll say it's from what I heard, I don't follow
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: it too closely, but Kaitlyn Clark is like the first
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: female like WNBA person that could be considered like a star,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: and all the other women hate her. All the other
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: women who play basketball hate her, so more like, I
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: don't know what whether she's more on the Michael Jordan's
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: side of being like, you know, a great athlete but
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: also like a kind of a model, you know, a
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: model individual, or if he's more like a Lebron James
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: where he's really good at the game, but he's also
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: not a great person. So I don't know which one
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: that is. But all right, I gotta get the super chow.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah we do, let's do it.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Laptop Well two fifteen gives us twenty five dollars and
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: says the lady who wrote the article needs a new hobby,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: and he thinks, anyways, thanks for everything you do, Alison
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: and Brian, Well, thank you, laptop laptop to fifteen.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: Chris. Chris mis though, says Caitlin Clark could beat anyone
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: in your audience one on one. I would hope.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, yeah, she's a professional basketball player. Yeah yeah,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you think, First of all, why
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: are you caping for someone that we didn't even criticize, Like,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: I don't understand, Chris, You're weird. You're a weird person
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: that likes to watch our videos and then you troll
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: us and you say useless things, and then you say, well,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: Caitlyn cart would destroy you, And I'm like, I'm literally
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: complimenting her on her ability to play basketball, and you're
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: acting like I'm attacking her. So when I compliment women,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: is that also an attack on women? Like? Is that
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: how much of a white knight you are? Is that
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: how hard you simp? That's kind of sad. But welcome
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: to the show anyway, Please stick around and have a
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: good time. Maybe you'll learn something.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: I actually want to get into the Caitlin Clark thing
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: because it is insane and I don't think. I don't
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: think all the women in the b NBA actually hate her,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: because a.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Lot of them do. They're her, and even even.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: Her teammates seem to be somewhat indifferent. But there is
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: she does seem to have a friend. Finally, so do
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: you have the video? Let's take a look.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: Am I playing from the beginning?
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, I don't think we need to worry about it.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think we need to worry about.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Your your camera change on a green You're just green?
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Oh I'm a green square. I imploded feminist fund about me?
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: All right? Let me just fix that, and it'll take
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: a moment, but just please.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: It's the most the most populated uh w NBA game,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: the all the hundreds hundreds of people tune in for
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: the w NBA when Caitlyn Kark is playing.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: Lots of fun and drama in this w NBA game.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: This happened a while ago. Everyone requested it. I appreciate you.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: The Dodgers and Padres decided to fight for four games.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: Let me pause it because this is like ear rape
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: now because I I altered the because the other one
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: was I had to raise the ball manually over here.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Hold on a second, Sorry, guys, and I'm sure that
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: you were experiencing ri ip headphone users for that. Okay,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: so we.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: Got pushed and pushed and pushed.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: But here we go.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: It's brought to you by DraftKings, and I'm going to
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: open up with this which I hadn't seen from all
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: the highlights on social media and all that. Right before
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: the main event, Caitlin Clark gets called for a failure
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: and she runs over. She said, I didn't touch her.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: I didn't touch her, And they're saying, we'll look at it,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: we'll look at it, we'll look at it.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: We'll look at it.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: She said, well, I'll look at it, and she's right,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: there's no contact made.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: She gets called for the foul.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: Watch this replay right here, just no contact made, gets
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: called for the foul. She tells the rest. She says,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: oh my god, watch it back after the game. Trust me,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: you'll see. Yeah, I didn't touch at all. Watch I
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: actually we watch it right now. Look up there. It
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: is so that happened. They make both of their free throws,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: and then Indiana's got the ball and it's the next possession.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: Right after she doesn't touch someone and gets the foul.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: Then you got Kaylen Clark with the ball banging around
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: top of the key, her and Jacey Sheldon just banging
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: around and then she's gonna take a finger to the
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: eye and then gets bumped and then gets sent to
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: the ground. She can't believe it.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: What the fuck?
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you believe that, but you actually get better. But
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: people are tuning in to the w MBNA because of
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: this drama, right yeah, because it's now getting crazy. So
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: it's almost like they're getting asses in seats because this
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: woman has become a target.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, she's been really good for the ratings. Because
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: nobody wanted to watch this ship before.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: Now they're watching it because of the drama. But I'm
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: just wondering if maybe women's basketball will end up being
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: like hockey throw punches, and.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they'll maybe throwing hands and those are the
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: clips that will go viral.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, keep going, all right, what are you kidding me?
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: I just got fouled from not touching someone and they
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: just tore my eyeball out and bang me to the ground.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: So we'll we'll slow down and enhance this. It's a
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: thumb swipe to the eye and the bridge of the
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: nose and then jac walks up to her and kind
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: of leans in a little straightens up, throws the belly
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: at her right just like booms a little bump and
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 5: she's like, god.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: Start that.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: Number three Marina Maybury just sends her to the ground.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: So there's a little bump from Sheldon and then blind
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: sided number three bangs her to the ground and stead
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: her while she's down.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: No, it's just like this is like, holy shit, it
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: like Bonobos. This is a chimp out. The UNBA couple parks.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: Actually you're really.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: You're actually quite right. I was looking at the violence
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: that Banobo's do. They are extremely like they didn't actually
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: look on female and female violence. But Bonobo males are
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: actually more aggressive to each other than banovo.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: Like typical lesbian relationships.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: Here's jimp behavior. Like chimps are supposedly get this rap
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: for being really aggressive, and it's because male chimps tend
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: to be more physically aggressive towards women or the female chimps.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: But if you actually look at the incidents, female bonobos
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: are three times more aggressive to female our male banovos
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: than male chimps are to female chimps. So there's a
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: lot of violence in banobo's society. Sure nobody wants to
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: talk about that, all right, let's keep going.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, that's what I do. You're not looking, you're
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: not set on your feet. I come in and just
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: bang into the ground. So they look at the replay
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: for far too long, just way too long, almost impossibly
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: too long. This is just a quick clip, but you
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: can tell by everyone else's faces around them they're bored,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: just so bored. And it just, I mean, this feels
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: like a long time. It's not what it was like this.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: Referee, did you see like she has a foul called
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: on her and she didn't even touch the woman and
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: multiple angles Caitlin Clark did not touch the woman and
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: then she gets poked in the eye with a thumb. Well,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: why her hand was there? Nobody knows, you know the
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: other woman who poked her in the eye and then
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: shoved down no foul or like they have to they
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: like getting their microscopes out, can we see?
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the these are these like these guys are the uh,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: these heads, these floating heads.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Are trying to looking at this to find the foul.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're probably wondering, like, how do I respond to
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: this without losing my job for being sexist? Because no
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: matter what, it's all out, I'm gonna get in trouble.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: How do I navigate this minefield? How do I walk
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: this line?
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Well, obviously you throw Caitlin under the bush.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we could call it privilege and then do that.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: How about that? Yeah, probably leaning on that.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: It's it's merit privilege. Kitlyn Clark has unfair merit privilege.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: She's so good at something it's unfair to the other women.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: She must be a man. Yeah, okay, it's a form
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: of male privilege.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: What so Caitlin didn't touch the other woman, but she
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: still has a foul called on her, and they and
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: they throw the baskets and then she's literally sent to
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: the ground. And these idiots are like, well this so,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's obviously like bias against her for what reason?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Why this is? And this isn't the like they were
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: They talk about how Jordan uh Was had this experience.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: But this isn't the players doing this. This is the
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: referees showing of venus bias against Caitlyn Clark. Why why
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: are they eating the woman who is putting the mw
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: NB or them the women's basketball on the map? Why
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: why are they prosecuting her like this executing? Yeah, all right,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: let's this is just one clip.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: They looked at it for so long. She's like, please,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: please don't see what I did. Please don't see what
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: I did in good News flagrant one on JC. Yeah,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: what about the shove, She's like, uh, we didn't have
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: a look at somebody shoving should have been an ejection.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: That's really bad.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: You spent that much time looking at the replay and
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: you didn't even look at after the thumb to the eye,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: that's all they looked at. And the coach is like.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: Running.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: They're looking and they're thinking, they're so adamized that this
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: woman shoves her thumb into Caitlin's eye and that's all
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: they're looking at. They don't even bother with the woman
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: who just shoved her down onto the ground. They're like, no,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: we would, that's irrelevant. So after a player is an
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: assaulted assaulted, that's the only thing you consider. Everything else
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: is free gae free game like it's it's you don't
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: have to worry about it. Once the player is assaulted.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: Once that's the only thing. Other members of the opposing
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: team can go and get their hits in, you know,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: free action.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: Okay, keep on number two and number three doesn't miss. Now,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: let's move on. Four minutes left in the fourth and
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: Kaylyn Clark's gonna get the ball. Her and Jacy Sheldon
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: just garden each other all day, hanging out. She finds
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: an opening, Sheldon's on her hand up interface bangs the
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: deep three celebrates accordingly, Yeah, fuck yeah, you like that.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And then this is right after that. Now
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: they're just hanging out again, spending a lot of time
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: together on the court. Yeah, Kaylyn Clark, Jason Sheldon, I'm
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: just isolating them. So it might be a little pick
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: slated granny, but Clark guarding Jayson Sheldon and then claps
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: in her face when the pass goes awry, and then
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: there's a shot and they get the rebound and Caitlyn
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: gets it, and then they call time out, time out.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: Then right here, Sheldon's gonna say something like, you can't
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: guard me. She says, oh yeah, and you can guard me.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: You can't guard me.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: Nuh uh flap clap, come on, come on, let's fucking go.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: Let's stupid.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: She looks kind of like Jade from Jay and Silent Bob. Here,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like a handsome woman, handsome woman?
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah is that it?
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: No, No, you could probably jump a little bit ahead,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: like maybe thirte.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: Jump ahead to where to like yeah right here?
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like the thing is that?
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Okay? Right here?
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: Take her to the ground. Bam throws her to the ground,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: steps up and steps right to her, grabs her by
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: the head and just screams in her ear, I'll walt
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: being the most calmst person you can be, and look
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: at then that Cunningham minds as she takes her down
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: to the ground. No facial expression, just like a slight,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: peaceful smile, like the most piece she's had in a
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: long time, and then actually grabs her steps up.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: Do what you just let's watch this and I'll tell
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: you what.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 5: Stop thin, do somethin. Do something about it, Do something
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: about it, do something about it. Yep, let her know,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: do something about it.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: Kind of bagging her just to do something.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: Meanwhile, she had her hair, she just had her grab
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: back of the head, just rag doll in her whispered
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: in her ear. Look at this shot, you know, do
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: something about it, Jacy, do something.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Comedy. This guy, this guy is like this is ultimate
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: play by play. He's reading lips and ship on the
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: that's new. I mean, anyway, there's something about it.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 4: You can't you can't get that in your face.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: And then oh you see that the hand comes off
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: the back of the head and goes across the face.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: And just a little push just for good measure. You know,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: you put your thumb in Caitlinn's eye' gonna put my
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: thumb in your eye. There you go, and a little
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: bit of the mouth. Interesting, interesting, chance to bite her.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 5: Now this was all on top of the crowd and
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: this woman saved by this man.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Look at that.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: He goes you good, I got you.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: I'll protect you.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: We're both wearing red.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: So that's my job. These these fans what the.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: White Night goddamn sploil wanted.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: He wanted to prevent things from escalating. It's not really
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: the point, you know, the point of a sports just
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: to play sports, not to fight in the streets unless
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: we're talking like MMA or something.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: So in for retreat and then you got this head
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: just popping up twelve or forty, I don't know. You
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: tell me it's still cool. Chewing gum on the sideline,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: didn't get rattled. Jaycy's fixing her hair because that got
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: messed up from when Cunningham grabbed it and screamed do
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: something in her ear five thousand times. And yeah, she's
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: gonna get kicked out, which she's totally cool with. They
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: go to replay again. It took less time. This one
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: was a little easier. Throws the towel, flips the hair,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: and she's out kicked out of the game two minutes.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: Essentially, what happened is Cunningham a fuck Well, she didn't
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: really fuck her up, but she she's she slammed the
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: woman who who took.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: Out or put the thumb in Caitlyn' she.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: Took She was basically ejected from the game for it,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: but she later on tells it she actually explained what
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: was going through mind, and she said she just got
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: sick of Caitlin being treated like this, and then the
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: referees is doing nothing, and so she got some vengeance.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: You see, it's not justice, it's when women do it.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: It's vengeance, all right. So anyway, I thought that was interesting.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: It's really interesting how much Caitlin is getting shit. And
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: it's not just the the players, because they, like I
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: said this, Michael Joe or was that Yeah, got shipped
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: from the players in the NBA, But it is the referees.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: And what is with the w the WNBA and their
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: hatred of Caitlin Clark? What is with that? Why do
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: you as low as this woman she's she's actually putting
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: you guys on the map? I mean, how can you
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: justify that she didn't touch that other woman at all?
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: And yet she gets shoved and you have to discuss
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: it for five minutes And probably the only reason they
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: called it was so egregious that they couldn't do anything
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: but do that. So, how is it that the administration
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: of the w NBA has it out for Kaitlyn Kirk? Like,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: is it just resentment? Is it just the bucket of
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: crabs principle. You resent the fact that she's that good
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: and you just can't handle it. It's unfair, I mean,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: merit points should be distributed equally, right anyway, It just
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: strikes me this.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: I think it's just like when men are It's not
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: that it doesn't happen, but like I think generally, like
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: men are more likely to see someone who's really good
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: as like a challenge to like I want to rise
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: to that challenge, right, Like Michael Jordan on the Bulls
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: when he was with the Chicago Bulls back in the
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: day in the nineties. When I used to I used
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: to work was like a Lazi's. I used to work
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: at a cafe and in the summer, I think it
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: was the summer when the basketball season was coming, you know.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: I would work the cafe as a busboy and like
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: I helped the bartender. I was like eighteen, It was
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: like my first job. And when the Bulls had Michael Jordan,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: he made the entire team better and you got like
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: they drew in the best players. It was Michael Jordan,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen, the second best player in the NBA. Then
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: you got like guys like Dennis Rodman, who was the
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: great rebound guy. They had like all of these great
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: players on that team. And I think that at that
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: time anyway, Jordan made the whole team better, Like they
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: were all because they were all trying to like outdo
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: each other. But in a way that is more like,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: you know's what's the word sportsman like, so you had competition,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't as aggressive back then. I think that
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: basketball has changed, like sports is of more it's it's
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: actually like less of that now, like guys like Lebron
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: and stuff. There's a lot more aggression and like, you know,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: more like let's say, like unhealthy competitiveness and less sportsmanship.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: But I think that that was even that is not
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: the same as the way it is when women play.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know claim to be an expert,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: but like based on the way that they're acting towards
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: Kitlin Clark. And then couple that with the soccer team.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: Remember the soccer team with the woman that looks like
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: the legendary skin for Rachel Matdow. She was like the
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: captain of the soccer team that lost to like a
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: bunch of high school student boys. But yeah, she was
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: she won the trophy and she was shouting, I deserve
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: this right. It's just a different mindset, Like there's less
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: grace and there's less gratefulness, and there's less humility, it
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: seems with the women than it is with the men.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember Ronda Rousey who was like, you know,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: like killing it in the ring, and she was so
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: cocky and so arrogant, and maybe it was a show,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: but I don't think so, I think that, And she
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: ended up like getting her ass beat by what her
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: name was, Holmes, who was you know, a little humbler,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: a little hungrier, and so she was able to win.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: That's what I think it comes down to sometimes. So
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: you know, again I don't claim to be an expert
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: at it, but there might be something about female psychology
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: and male psychology and the way that they receive the
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: way they deal with competition and the way that they
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: deal with jealousy. And the thing is is that feminists
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: for decades claimed that, you know, masculinity is all about
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: like dominance and competitiveness to like this extreme degree of
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: being like you know, violent, to dominate other men, and
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: that that's why they will claim that patriarcher hurts men
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: too and all of that. But from what we have
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: talked about all this time is that that's generally not
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: that there is a kind of man that does that,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: but that's not normal for masculinity. Most of the time
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: it's men working together, it's cooperative. But the best kind
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: is when there's a mixture of cooperative when you're working
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: as a team, like if you're on a team like
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: a sports team or a military unit or firefighters or
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: cops or whatever, and you have like a goal and
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: you're working together towards that goal. I think that that's
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: where men excel. And I think that that's like an
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: evolved tradance, like not something that's just like innate per se,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: but it just came over multiple generations of selection, and
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of that selection came from women, and so
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: that's the way I think men express it. And then
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: with women though I don't think that that has been like,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: let's say, put through the same stressors over generations, so
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: women are still really new at this thing maybe, And
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: I think that might be why they don't. And also
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: we've never like again, the whole conversation about dominance and
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: envy and stuff only comes out of the feminist perspective.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: It's the water we swim in today. So when women
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: become jealous and they destroy each other, which we know happens,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: we act like it doesn't happen. We just turn a
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: blind eye to it. And so when we see it
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: happen like this, some people are shocked, like, oh my god,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't think that was I thought that was something
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: that only dudes did. But of course you do, because
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: that's the way feminists talk about it. Whenever they say
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: anything negative, it's never feminine, it's always masculine. So that
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: framing is basically like how we see the world. And
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, this doesn't surprise me at all, Like I
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: you know, I could because I've seen how women get
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: when they're you know, when they're competing with each other,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: and the way that they aggress against each other. We
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: know that that happens, but it's not something we're supposed
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: to talk about.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And one of the things I was thinking of was,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know if women have a lot of a
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: language or a framework for dealing with jealousy of other women,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: and it's really it's one of the most toxic things
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: that I see today. I think it's behind the female
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: dating strategy destroying the lives of the people who listen
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: to them because they're jealous of women if they have
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: a partner and they don't, They're jealous of the women
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: if they have what they think is a better partner
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: and they don't. They start picking at it, and you
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: get women trying to seduce the boyfriends of their girlfriends,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing. And when somebody has
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: a talent and they've probably gone, I'm sure Caitlin Clark
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: has done the work to bring this talent up to
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: its maximum potential. I think a lot of women think
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: that that's an unfair thing because it comes back to
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: There was a study done on men and women and
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: how they approach interviewing and learning to be better at interviewing.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: And what they found is while women did better initially
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: at interviewing than men, when they got feedback how to improve,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: they didn't pursue it, they didn't stick with it, they
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: didn't enact the feedback. The men enacted the feedback. The
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: women just sort of quit because for whatever reason, they
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: felt like their actions couldn't affect a positive outcome in
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: their abilities, whereas the men took the feedback and improved,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: so over time, men were improving their interview skills and
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: women just shut down in the face of criticism. And
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: it's this mentality that what you're given is unfair, like
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: it's like you can't change it. You can't look at
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark and say, hey, maybe I have some talent.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: I could work on it and become more like her.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: You look at Caitlyn Clark and you say she was
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: just unfairly granted these skills by virtue of her birth,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: which is true. I mean athleticism. There's a lot of
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: genetic components to athleticism, but a lot of it is
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: grit too, right, It's the willingness to do the work
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: and to be as good as you can be and
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: not see her as an example of being really good
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  Speaker 2: at what you do. And then so they reframe it
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  Speaker 2: as it's unfair. It's unfair that she has these skills
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  Speaker 2: and I don't, because it's just almost like a passive thing,
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  Speaker 2: just granted it by genetics, and you can't change it.
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  Speaker 2: Can't shift it. You can't see it as an inspiration
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  Speaker 2: to do good in whatever you can do, or do
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  Speaker 2: good in terms of helping her, you know, being support
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  Speaker 2: for her or something, or seeing it in terms of
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  Speaker 2: a team effort. That's the other thing. Seeing Caitlin as
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  Speaker 2: you share in her glory as her part of her team,
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  Speaker 2: or even you share in her glory because she's making
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  Speaker 2: your sport relevant. You know, it's just resentment over what
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  Speaker 2: she's getting. And this is something I see very much
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  Speaker 2: with women, because women's essential conflicts are over resources and
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  Speaker 2: they have trouble seeing the process of building a resource.
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  Speaker 2: And this ties right back to the woman we talked
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  Speaker 2: about with who's complaining about men not being in her life.
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  Speaker 2: She probably looks at women who have men at fifty
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  Speaker 2: four and thinks that this was unfair, or that they're
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  Speaker 2: a pick me, or that they compromise somehow, and degrades
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  Speaker 2: and expresses jealousy towards what they did. And you can
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  Speaker 2: do that by saying, well, he's not not really worth it,
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  Speaker 2: or she had to compromise her values to stay with him,
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  Speaker 2: But it really is jealousy, and it's the inability to
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  Speaker 2: see that those women did the work right, and that
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  Speaker 2: really reduces the jealousy because you look at Caitlin Clark,
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  Speaker 2: you say, well, she did the work right. You look
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  Speaker 2: at women who excel, well, they did the work. You
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  Speaker 2: look at men who excel, well, they did the work.
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  Speaker 2: Why did the men in that study end up having
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  Speaker 2: more interview skills than the women because they did the
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  Speaker 2: work right. They didn't start out with better interview skills.
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  Speaker 2: The women were ranked higher. That might have been biased
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  Speaker 2: towards women. It might have been that they were just
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  Speaker 2: inherently better at interviewing initially. But it was the men
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  Speaker 2: who did their work in response to the criticism. And
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  Speaker 2: to be able to do that means you cannot shut down.
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  Speaker 2: You can't see criticism as somebody is denying me resources.
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  Speaker 2: You have to see criticism as the first step to
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  Speaker 2: developing your own resources. Okay, And this woman won't want
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  Speaker 2: ever internalize that criticism, yep, Okay, all right? So, and
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  Speaker 2: women in general have trouble internalizing criticism. And I imagine
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  Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark feels like a hell of a lot of
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  Speaker 2: criticism to a lot of the NBA players. All right,
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's good. What do you think, Brent
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  Speaker 2: I hope you guys have been entertained. Thank you again.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just double check to see if there's anybody
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  Speaker 2: else who puts something through that I have to thank,
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  Speaker 2: But thank you again to OKAFS, thank you to Ulkley,
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  Speaker 2: thank you to health potion Addict, thank you to actually
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  Speaker 2: there's a few, yeah, no, those those are the each
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  Speaker 2: of them sent two hundred and fifty. And then there
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  Speaker 2: was HANSI who sent seventy five. And yesterday we already
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  Speaker 2: thanked the people who put something through then. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: thank you, thank you for another successful fundraiser, Very much appreciated.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to continue to do this work because again,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: like this is a different I think this is a
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: different analysis. I mean we could I don't know, if
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  Speaker 2: you want to talk touch brief on what you saw
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  Speaker 2: with the other analyzes of this woman saying where are
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  Speaker 2: the men gone? But those things, but I think they
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  Speaker 2: focused more on what she wasn't giving men rather than
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: the fact that she was rejecting men and she probably
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: was enjoying it and feeling like she was a high
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: flyer until she realized that, and she never I don't
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  Speaker 2: think she's ever going to take responsibility for this, that
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: she had the opportunity to build a relationship that would
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: last her through you know, her elder years, and she
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  Speaker 2: didn't do it. She is somebody who doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 2: a good risk for a relationship for a man in
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: her age bracket. Are you going to get kids from
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: this woman? No, that's over. That ship has sailed. So
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  Speaker 2: what is it that she gives is she is she
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: genuinely wanting an authentic self? Or she does she want
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: to judge this man for rejecting her because because he
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: doesn't he doesn't want the authentic he doesn't want it
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: in the lit by itself, you know, relationship? How dare huh? Anyway? Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so that's pretty much it. And I would probably have
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  Speaker 2: less of a judgmental like I would judge or less
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: if she didn't start with men's sexualities emotionally hollow and
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: they initially wanted women because they were trophies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that the way that men looked like
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: looked at marriage in the past. And I've been reading
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: something about this Unwin I think it talks about this
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: is that it was an epic adventure, not a romance,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: not a rom com, not lit from within the eternal spark.
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  Speaker 2: We're always going to be having this wonderful emotion. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be an epic adventure where you go sail
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  Speaker 2: and you have somebody's back, somebody to lash down the sales,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: you know, somebody to hug when you go into the squall,
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  Speaker 2: and it's gonna be bad and it's gonna be good,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: but you're gonna be building something. You're gonna be going somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna be going on a journey with another human being.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the way I think men view their relationships
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: more than women and unfo. Fortunately, life is more like
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: an epic adventure, or at least it's more like ups
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: and downs than it is the eternal, lukewarm spark of
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: a fucking rom Colm. All right, okay, I'm done, I'm good. Okay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's take it out. Okay, So, if you like anything,
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  Speaker 1: Oh j o'bales gave us a dollar ninety nine and said, lull,
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  Speaker 6: Next Men's Right activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 6: literal machines. They are talking point machines. They are impossible
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  Speaker 6: to fucking deal with, especially if you have like especially
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 6: if you have like a couple of dudes who have
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  Speaker 6: good memory on top of that too, Holy shit, you're
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  Speaker 6: fucked