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Director, Peter Ferriero- The Best Pizza is in L.A. · Caught on the Mike...

• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Caught on the Mic.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: What happens when a lifelong 90210 fan, filmmaker, podcaster, food obsessive, and New Jersey native decides to pick a fight with an entire city over pizza?
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: You make a documentary arguing that the best pizza in the world is actually in Los Angeles.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: Today I'm hanging out with Pete Ferrero talking pizza, filmmaking, nostalgia, 902 and oh, the stories that become obsessions, and why sometimes the best projects start with somebody simply telling you, you can't do that.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: Pete, how the hell are you, man?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, this is a great intro, dude.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm doing really good.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm up in this RV park in Ventura, California, working on something new, and um I'm stoked to be talking to you.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, I'm stoked to have you here.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think we connected over Instagram like two years ago, shortly after I had Brian on.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I had the whole oldish triumvirate on.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: I had Brian on, and then shortly after I had Randy on, and then I eventually had Sharna on and just kind of became mutuals that.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: I remember that.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: I remember that.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was really cool.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: That was a cool, like, that was a cool series of interviews that you did.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: That was very cool.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: Serendipity, man.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Serendipity connects us all together in one way, shape, or form.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: So let's start with the fight, because I think this is an important one.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: I watched the documentary last night.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: I absolutely love it.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: You're a New Jersey guy, so you knew exactly what you were poking at when you decided to make the best pizzas in LA.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: What was said to you that made you go, oh yeah, now I have to prove you wrong?
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: There is this guy, uh, his name is Clark.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's the first time I've said his name.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: And he back in the day when I was moving to LA, he said to me, Um, oh, the only thing about moving out there is you're not gonna be able to find a good slice of pizza anywhere.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I just like immediately was put off by that statement because I was just like, I'm always put off by things like that.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't tell me I'm not gonna be like, I'm gonna find tons of great pizza.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, I was like, it's not gonna be a problem.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, LA has the best pizza, so I'm not worried about it.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then like that title kind of like stuck in my mind that the best pizza is in LA.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, at some point I'm gonna do something with that.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: Is it a podcast?
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: Is it a you know, is it a documentary?
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: Is it what what is it a series?
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: What is it?
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh I did see that news reporter, uh, this guy, uh Andy, in uh LA do a story about like that, you know, the LA pizza scene might be the best period.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, okay, it's time to make the documentary.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then I just kind of went like I had been doing that podcast about Beverly Hills 90210 for some time.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I think it's time to like touch base with some of those people and see if they would want to hang out, eat some pizza, talk some shit, and just you know, have a have a fun time poking the bear that is New York and New Jersey, and evidently New Haven pizza as well.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: Because again, you really covered the gamut.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: You had to have been sick of pizza by the time you were done filming that thing.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually never sick of pizza, just to be just just to be clear.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm up here researching stuff and I and I immediately started looking for a pizza place.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: The one that I ate yesterday was not that good, but but there is good pizza up everywhere that you go, and that's ultimately like you can get a good pizza of in Lincoln, Nebraska, maybe.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's it's funny.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: I I really kind of did a deep dive and started thinking about things after I I watched your doc.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what a good doc does.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: It makes you reflect and kind of think of different parallels in your own life and in your own experiences.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I even sent a text, a group text to my buddies, which they never responded to because they're kind of asses like that.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I was like, hey, do you guys remember probably late aughts, early 2010s, where artisan pizza shops kind of started popping up everywhere?
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: And is that a result of our generation kind of getting into entrepreneurialism, whether it be in the restaurant business, and is pop culture kind of involved in that?
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: And how many, you know, of course, this long-spanning philosophical question about this, but you know, I kind of think about my food experiences and I kind of tie it all together in one way, shape, or form.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, for me, like my upbringing in my life is always my food memories first.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a food memories person, and so um, I remember my first bite of pizza.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: I do think that there is something particularly in Los Angeles, but maybe not just Los Angeles, it could be in New York and New Jersey too, about our generation creating things in the universe.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I think pizza and restaurant and hospitality is definitely something that we've experienced and we've watched on television because so much of our generation is what we experienced in pop culture.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I that was kind of like the point of this documentary, too, is like there's this hand-in-hand guide for me, anyway, about like eating pizza, watching something pop culture, whether whether it was truly 90210, or if it was WWF, or if it was, you know, whatever it was, and pizza always being like at the theme of that.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think I think, yes, I think like there's this great shop here in LA called Danny Boy's Pizza, where the theme of the shop is like 90s, but it's also like Pac-Man, and he's got arcade games, and like he's playing into you know his his generation, and which it happens to be my generation, and he's playing into the culture of you know what we've kind of grown up with.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's really fucking cool that like now our generation is are the creators, the makers, the craft makers, and the tasters, and all that stuff.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's cool that our generation is getting that moment right now.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's the window, the window is a window is closing.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: I know, man.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: It it's like the the dawning on ourselves of like, oh shit, now we're getting older.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's getting harder to stomach.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my my generation's getting some props, and it's like, fuck, wait, I'm old.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's not I'm not getting props in 1996, I'm getting props in 2026 for something that I did.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: Where the fuck you've been, you know, not just for me, but for the generation in in general.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: So was there a specific moment where you realize that this could actually actually be a full-blown documentary rather than just a passionate argument?
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um when I went to eat at at first I was kind of like you know, hanging out with friends and eating at different pizza shops, and the point was to do that and like get to know Tori Spelling or Brian or whatever, but then when I ate at Pizzeria Say, which is a Tokyo style pizza here, and I just had this sort of like it was like again one of those food memory things.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: I was with Karen Palmer, who's a writer who uh is in the documentary and also wrote that article that the best pizza's in LA, period.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: And sitting there with her having lunch, and he made a whole bunch of different samples of pizza for me.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh shit, we win.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like this pizza right here, William Jews pizza at Pizzeria Say is better than any pizza I've had in New York, and not because it's a New York style, because it's just totally different and reinventing the the wheel that is pizza, and it's fucking delicious.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I just took the position like, no, this needs to be a documentary, if only for to get more people to be excited about William Jew and Pizzeria Say or the other pizza shops.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was like a big thing for me.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_01: Was like, there's some really cool, cool pizza shops here.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: And if someone, if anything, someone's like and they look at it like a fun travel guide of pizza in Los Angeles.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like all the pizza shops would be doing really great with it.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: So that was my my my point was like, no, this needs to be a doc because then it starts you your mind starts to even open up like what other things about pizza have I learned that is not true, you know what I mean?
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know what I mean?
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like this idea that New York and New Jersey are Connecticut, that that that tri-state, you look at Dave Portnoy make videos, and it's like he says, you know, what are the five best pizza cities?
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it's always like New York, Jersey, you know, Connecticut, you know, it's like, dude, there are other places like you need to open up your your mind to that process.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I love Dave, by the way.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's not a shot at him.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, he's someone that like we celebrate in the documentary.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think some of people's throwing their flag in the sand is kind of like proximity bias, they're just gonna be biased to wherever they're closest to.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I think like the pride of New Yorkers with pizza and certain in certain dishes, for sure.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, no, we define this and it is our culture and it is our thing.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I respect the shit out of that.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, no doubt I grew up in that environment for sure, but it's also very sort of like boxy, you know what I mean?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're in that little box of defined by that.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I know people from New York and New Jersey that have gone to Italy and have been like, well, fuck Italy pizza.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: New York and New Jersey's better.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, no.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you may have really enjoyed Mr.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: Bruno's, you may have really enjoyed a pizza slice in New Jersey, but I promise you the ones in Italy are actually better, you know.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: I do so I do think that what you said is true.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that like people tend to just like live in the box and the bubble of where they are, and so they're just like, like when I lived in Jersey, I was thinking about this the other day.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: When I lived in Jersey, like it used to be difficult to pick where I was gonna get pizza from because it all felt so boring and not inventive.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't mean that insultingly, like I just meant like I've eaten Mr.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: Bruno's a thousand times.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: I've eaten you know, Villa Italia or Lodi pizza and all those places, and so it's like like it's like there was a place in Jersey City called Rasa, which opened up, which was really different, you know what I mean, but still not Tokyo style, but still like in the genre of New York, East Coast Italian style pizza.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I would you I used to go there quite a bit because it was a little bit different.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so, but that's a drive and all that stuff, and I felt like shit, like like you didn't wind up ordering pizza, you ordered something else because it was all the same.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: It was literally all the same.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: But in Los Angeles, like within this, like within where I live, up in uh, you know, where I live, there's like three or four different styles of pizza.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Some are New York, some are, you know, something else.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like I can go to any one of those places, and the the decision of like where I'm going to eat pizza is actually more complicated because it's like, fuck, I don't know where to get pizza.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: And like sometimes in that situation, I just order dominoes.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't want any of these styles.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: I just want like fucking the cheapest, fucking grossest pizza that you can ever imagine.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I order dominoes, you know.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: I get that.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, what did researching LA's pizza culture teach you that genuinely surprised you?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um this is something I haven't said anywhere that like the pizza business is hard.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: We made a fun documentary about the best pizzas in LA, and so many of the shops are like, you know, there's margins of like why a restaurant is successful and not successful, and they are like two bad days away from closing.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying all the pizza shops are like that, you know, there are certainly some that have been established for a long time that can sort of have that and go with it, you know, but like the pizza business and the restaurant business is really hard, especially in the last few years where the cost of wages have gone up, the cost of food has gone up, whatever sort of government restrictions or things that they're now having to deal with.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it's a really, really hard business and while fun.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think like even with me saying the best pizzas in LA and New York shops are not going to be greatly affected by that because if you live in New York, you're still going to your favorite spot.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't matter.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: But like the idea that you know a guy can go around eating a bunch of pizzas in Los Angeles and give exposure to those shops.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: And hey, if anybody watches this documentary, maybe that day they went in, really enjoyed a slice at Hot Tongue Pizza or or or some one of the random spots that I mentioned, and like fucking that keeps it keeps it going.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: Cause I just want to see those restaurants and those pizza shops continually going and growing and building, and the LA pizza culture and the scene needs to be like a fucking thing, and that was kind of like the point, you know.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: You kind of look at that through the entertainment business, because I still view restaurants as being a part of the entertainment business, everything post-pandemic, post-COVID, like everything is kind of for six years now been trying to get their bearings about them again, and it seems like every time there's a step forward, there's two steps backwards.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I fully understand exactly what you're saying there.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: And like consumers are different too, right?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: They're, you know, like the the other side of us is like, you know, there's a bunch of people that want pizza to be$15 or$10.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: But pizza is like$30 because the fucking pepperoni is so costly, or just to keep the lights on the shop is so expensive.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, you know, you gotta be careful when you go around to pizza shops, anybody saying, well, I don't like this slice, or it's a I rate it a six out of ten or something like that, because you're not just, you know, you know, and I didn't do that at all in the documentary.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just promoted the ones I loved and said this one was just aight, you know, if it was just aight, but like, you know, putting a putting a six or a five or a seven on anybody's pizza shop, it's like not only do I have to deal with the fucking structure of this economy, this this the the cost of what my pizza is, and that and that shock sticker sort of of someone going in and ordering a$28 pizza, but now I got a guy coming to the shop and saying I'm only a six, like fuck off, man.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like exactly literally just like support the community and just say it's great.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like just go go to the shop, you know.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's like two C's, man.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's critique and convenience.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like people want more convenience to the point where it's almost robbing people blind.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's a convenience economy right now.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: They want what they want right now, right here.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want to wait for a good thing, and they don't want to pay the cost when they get a good thing.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it really is it really is a very interesting thing and a point in culture.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: I hoped that our generation, going back to like us being 90s kids, that's what I'm you know.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I grew up definitely going to great restaurants and eating and being a foodie is like a part of the definition of who I am.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: And long story short, I had like a girl from high school's family take me to all these like really great restaurants when I was growing up.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so for me, it's like I saw that as an experience of like them not caring about how much the steak cost and all that stuff.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so I I I hope our generation, as foodies and people that grew up like as creators, and we we we will support that cause more than say the previous generation.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: And that's not a shot on the previous generation, it's just you know what I mean.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully, things are shifting in the direction of support the craft, support the artist, support the pizza maker, support the filmmaker, support the thing because we all know how hard it can fucking be for everybody in every industry.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's a that ties in good to my next question because one thing you and I share a commonality about, and maybe it is a fact that we're both 90s kids, is that we're both huge nostalgia guys.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: And while this documentary is about pizza, it for me watching it, it felt more like it was about memory, growing up, family, culture, and the emotional connection that we have with food and how it kind of correlates to our sense of nostalgia.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: Am I off base there?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's that that is that is the point.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: That is exactly what I wanted the documentary to be.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: When I first started to make the documentary and was asking uh Troy Spelling and Brian Austin Green and some of those people to be in the documentary, the DP that was working for me at the time was like, I guess we're just doing 90210 and pizza.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: And that was the last day that she shot on it on the film because I was like, You don't you don't actually understand the point of this documentary, and the and the longer I keep you working on it, your opinion doesn't matter.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah, that is exactly the point because so much of us, especially as East Coasters or people that that uh lived outside of Los Angeles, used to look at LA through the eyes of Beverly Hills 90210.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you're gonna talk about Los Angeles in anything, in a pop culture sense, how can you not start with the biggest Los Angeles, California show, which is Beverly Hills 90210?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like those stars and those actors and those characters are iconic.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: And like the areas and the way they shot it, like it it made me as a kid in New Jersey want to live in LA, like wanting to be a part of that world.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so for me, it's like, yeah, connecting those dots of like Tory spelling and watching her eat, you know, and David eat pizza somewhere.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was a deep connection to me.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like the food network people that come out came out and hung out with me or talking about Emmera Legasi and all those people that like we grew up watching through that, which is a different lens of pop culture, more of a food-oriented lens.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, that was also important to the documentary, too, because I'm not a chef, I'm just a fucking asshole that's going around saying that this thing is true.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: I needed to bring some chefs along with me to be like, no, that one that one's legit, you know what I mean, or this one's not so good or whatever because they know what's up, you know.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: So was having the 90210 cast members always a part of the vision, or did your worlds just naturally collide as the documentary developed?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I guess the second, I guess that I because I had the podcast and you know, I and deep friendships with Brian and Tori and Kathleen Robertson, who produced the documentary with me, was like my fucking go-to, my TV crush and all that, and it's become my one of my excuse me, one of my deepest friends and dearest friends.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I knew that I would ask her if she wanted to do that.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: I knew I would ask them if they wanted to be in it.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: And Lindsay Price was also on 90210, and she's in it as well.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: So it did just sort of, you know, like I did start thinking about like, well, this documentary is gonna be a pop culture-ish dive through the LA pizza scene, proving that LA has really good pizza that might actually be better than some of the places that you think have the best pizza.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm gonna take some of these people along on the journey with me because it just would be more fun in that way.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: Why wouldn't you?
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, why wouldn't you let those worlds collide?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: And total off the rails side note, Kathleen is killing it on Reacher right now, everybody.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: If you're not watching Reacher, fucking watch Reacher.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Are you a fan of Reacher?
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: Hell yeah.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like for me, like I love the show Reacher.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then when she texted me and said that she was gonna be on Reacher, I was like, oh, this is the fucking coolest thing ever, because it's like my favorite girl is gonna be on my one of my favorite shows.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I was hesitant to say Reacher was my favorite show because 902 and oh and other things.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, I don't know.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: I like if you know something, I don't don't reveal it.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I tell you what, after watching the last few episodes and just kind of watching her emotional intelligence and how she's portraying her character, there's more to her character than what we are being privy to right now.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: Are you on the same page?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's fair, yeah.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, but but I would say that the actress, the Kathleen Robertson herself, is that there's more to her emotional intelligence and and and her person that is, you know, I'm can't wait to see how that storyline, the actress, the real person plays out in life as well, because she's just so every time I'm hanging out with her, or every time I spend some time with her, I'm like, oh my god, I've just I learned so much about either myself or life or a thing or her, and it's like I just keep can't get enough of it, you know what I mean?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, I even leaned over my wife after that last episode, and I was like, There's gonna be some sort of reveal here with her character in the next couple episodes, and like I even went so far to the place where I'm like, I think I would not be surprised if she gets revealed as the big bad, but who knows?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: I asked her, please don't tell me if you don't tell me any of that.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: I wish I did know that, but I don't also because I don't want Reacher fucked for me.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Same.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, she used to on occasion like send me a picture of Alan from set or something really cool, you know what I mean, and just or of herself like on set, and I would always just kind of fanboy about it because I was like, oh my god, that's the fucking coolest thing.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: I love that show so much, you know.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: One of the things that I enjoy about you is that you've spent years essentially turning fandom into storytelling with the Beverly Hills 90210 show.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: You went from being a fan to sitting across from people that actually made the show.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: How has that changed the way you approached filmmaking?
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: And has being a super fan ever made it harder to stay objective in those moments?
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a filmmaker first, and so I do become obsessed with different ideas.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm working on a documentary about an amusement park called The Land of Oz, which is a theme park developed in the 70s and someone stole Darthy's dress out of it.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: I am not a huge Wizard of Oz fan, but the mystery of it all and I kind of became, you know, like was intriguing enough to me, and I became Sort of more of a fan of The Wizard of Oz because I started to make that documentary and I was I watched it again and I was like, oh shit, this is a really good movie.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then suddenly I had memories of like watching it with my grandmother and all these things.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so I don't necessarily always have to be a super fan of something, but it does get a little bit like when I am a super fan of someone or something, I sometimes have to.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing a documentary about the actor Tim Curry, you know, who I am a super fan of.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: I want to say super obsessive where I like stalked Tim Curry or anything like that.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: But I've watched all of his movies and I'm he's my favorite actor.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a huge fan of his work.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so when you're developing a film about someone like that, it's like you want to have a respectful boundary of the relationship and the friendship that we're developing by making this documentary.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: But also I have to be able to ask him some difficult questions and tougher questions so that so that I get to understand who the the person is.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so, and even on Beverly Hills 90210 podcast, there's been times when I've interviewed people where maybe another actor has told me, you know, this person did this, this, and that.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: But you love the person and you appreciate the person coming on the podcast.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: So you can't really like grill them in a way where it's like, you know, like it's, I don't know, like Heraldo or some shit.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: But also engage them in a way where it's like, hey, this thing happened, is that true?
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Or and like just my natural sort of like sense of like wonder and thoughtfulness and also like curiosity, let it lead and the and respect, let it lead the conversations with the people that I'm talking to, but also making sure that I don't miss a beat.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like I literally don't miss a fucking beat.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'll let I'll let people off the hook sometimes if I feel like it's too much, you know, like that topic.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like just to make sure that you're super in it and like developing the story to your to the best abil of the ability and what an audience might be interested, what I'm really interested in, and then also, you know, what the person that I'm talking to is into it as well.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's being a fan of something and having obsessions has been uh a great gift to me.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: I have a cousin who like makes fun of me for being obsessed with things, and I'm just I'm like, well, yeah, well, if I was just obsessed and I just kind of like went to conventions and you know met everybody and had a whole bunch of pictures, like that's cool too.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's great for those people, but to take those obsessions and turn them into stories is like literally, when you said that, that like literally defines me as a filmmaker, an artist, and as a person.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: So that is kind of like one of the things that I really want to do with this this platform and filmmaking.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, I I love that you said that because I said at the jump that you and I had a lot of commonalities, and I'm I'm very much the same way when I started this podcast six years ago.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, two things I said I was going to avoid, and it doesn't mean I don't have feelings about them.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: It just means I don't ever want to have that gotcha clip.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't ever want to like create clickbait and exploit somebody that's on my show.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like that is never my intent.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure my podcast would probably be five, ten, twenty times bigger than what it is if I did break that golden rule, you know.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: But it's it's like respecting the individual.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't dive into topics like sociopolitical stuff or religion or somebody's spiritual beliefs and stuff because I respect that individual.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: You're an individual, and so is everybody else.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: Now, granted, you know, if it does kind of go into those murkier waters, I'm gonna shut it down really quick.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: But realistically, what my goal is is as a fan, I want to create something that other fans can consume and enjoy.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel it, you kind of are the same way.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: I interviewed um the actress Mia Sarah, who another obsessive I was obsessed with her in Ferris Bueller, and I interviewed her for the Tim Curry documentary, and then I asked her to do a new podcast that I have.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: And uh in the course of the interview, she talked about John Hughes going dark on and during the making of that movie.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so, of course, I was curious about what she meant by that.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, I asked her and she expanded.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, there's it's an interesting thing because I I do think it's a really powerful interview, one of my most powerful interviews that I've had, like just exploring acting with someone who kind of stepped away from it, and like it was it was really deep and like meaningful to me that we had that chat.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then I, you know, because of the nature of podcasting in 2026, it's like you have to share the the clip of her talking about John Hughes because it's the one that's gonna maybe lead to you know, people more people watching it.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: And of course it went viral and someone picked it up, and you know, I felt like this weird sort of like we talked about so much more, and there was so much depth that it meant so much to me that she took the time to have the conversation with me that like, and then of course, of all the fans that are writing shit, you know, like this, if she doesn't look like what she looked like, you know, and all these kind of like YouTube fans doing what they do, and like I want to I want to attack all of them and write something about them, but then I'm just like it's also like the nature of the beast of when we get in, when we start doing this thing, and you have to embrace it and just like continue interviewing people, have compelling conversations, and then how it lands, it lands, and just be respectful and caring and thoughtful enough to the person you interviewed so they don't feel like oh he did this on purpose because it's not, you know what I mean?
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like we got there in the natural conversation, and it's like you know, it was a great, it was a good moment, and it's it it's interesting too, like going back to the question about pop culture and does it inform me?
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's like something like that, like I loved that movie.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still gonna watch, you know, Ferris Bueller's, but it does sort of give it a new it does sort of give it a new view, right?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like that she is she had this experience.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's difficult sometimes for actors of that generation who are who've done something that is like defined by this thing, and like it's it's a juggernaut.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like our generation is like the juggernaut generation where we liked something, yo, we threw that shit into the into the fucking boom, you know what I mean?
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it was the makers of that, those shows or the advertiser, the markers, they knew how to get us excited about Ferris Bueller's day off.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so, like, there's a weird relationship, even I think, for the actors to be like, shit, that was really difficult to talk about.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I and and so many people love this movie, and so many people love me in this movie, and now I've said this thing to sort of like that's true, but like it kind of fucks with the movie a little bit, and it's like I don't I'm not meaning to do that, but like we're in that generation now, our generation's sharing their shit, you know what I mean?
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: So why wouldn't Mia Sarah say, yo, John Hughes went dark on me during that movie, and it was really tough?
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I want to hear about stories like that.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: We've all had them.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: We may have worked some job where someone went dark on us, and like, can I it's not John Hughes and it's not the same stakes, but it's like, yo, I was working there and I just wanted to do this, and I had to deal with that shit.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a way that our generation can like talk through and identify with things that we all went through.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: It just happens to be an actress talking about like this director and this movie that we all love.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's very, it's a very interesting thing.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a really weird dichotomy because you're you're balancing the responsibility of that conversation and the outcome of it.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: And you ultimately, I and then this is kind of where I land on it typically, is you ultimately leave it up to the the guest discretion.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: And that's a large part of the reason why before I record every episode, the first thing I say, as I did with you, is like, is there anything that's off limits before we we talk?
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because you don't want to kind of get that gotcha moment with somebody, but if it comes out organically, it's a totally different thing, you know, it just it just happens.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's interesting because like gotcha to me is is if the actor that you're interviewing or the person, the sports person is known to have done something totally fucked.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: And like, you know, you have them on the show and you say, What was the thing that you know, what about that thing that you did that was totally fucked?
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's a that's a gotcha, but I don't know.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I feel like we're in a we're in an era of conversation and exploring like all of the things, you know what I mean?
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: As long as it's presented in a thoughtful way in which we're going to be sharing something so that the audience that's listening has a deeper understanding of it of the thing, I think it's okay.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: As long as it's not like we're where are you on Trump?
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like because that's only going to that's only going to alienate 50% of the people that just watched the clip one way or the other.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like that's more of the gotcha shit that I'm like, I'm definitely not fucking with.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: Same.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: Same degree.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: I also don't want to fuck with that in at all, just generally speaking.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no shit.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: But but I think I think you you raise a good point, and you kind of said it without saying it, is we're also in the transparency about mental health era, too.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like where people are a lot more transparent about it.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I'm that's what I'm saying.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like a lot of the people that watch my podcast, I think then even the 90210 one, while the information about 90210 was really compelling, and that's the reason they came there every week.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: I do think that there's a bit of like having Brian on and talking about where he was in his mind at that point and how it relates sort of to today, or how it relates sort of to the a storyline or something that someone is dealing with.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think we're now of the generation that divorces are happening, people are splitting, people are, you know, have complicated histories with their parents or their upbringing or the school that they went to.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I think like they're looking for voices that capture their their imagination and their thoughts, you know what I mean?
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: And like in a way where it's like, yeah, I did go through that.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like I wish 90210 was still on the air because I feel like when we watched that show, like we we always gained so much nor information about maybe something that just had happened last week at school.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like for sure.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I saw that last week.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this is what Dylan did, you know what I mean?
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, but like, you know, we're of that age where real ass shit is happening to to our generation.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: We're experiencing, like, I mean, not to even go political, but we're experiencing seeing things on television that we never saw growing up, and or you know, in a in a different sort of degree of it.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like we need an outsource or a place in people that are talking about these things that we like and enjoy.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's a part of like what I'm hoping my films, podcasts, and presentations gives our generation for sure, my generation.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: So when you remove your fandom, what are you actually looking for when you decide that this is the next story I need to tell?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm currently developing something about chat GPT right now, and there is no I'm not a fan.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not I'm I love chat GPT, but I'm not like obsessed with it in the in the in the like where I would be like Kathleen Robertson, you know what I mean?
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm obsessed with the technology and I'm obsessed with sort of the generation that we're in right now of like this sort of loneliness epidemic, and I'm interested in uh why people are using chat GPT for things other than like, how do I get to the grocery store or tell me more about this band I really liked?
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: How do they break up?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: But like if you're using it in a way, and I and I'm someone who has used it in a way for therapy or for deeper things, like what does that why are you doing that, and what does that look like?
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: And what does that look like long term?
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm in the early stages of it, and I don't want to talk too much about it, but it's a very interesting sort of social experiment that I'm putting on myself for this, the the purposes of Chat GPT.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: So, what does it look like when pop culture or something's not in the it looks like I fuck with myself and put myself through some crazy experiment, put myself through some like really torturous, crazy experiment to see how I come out the other side of it.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a little it's a bit of like the Morgan Spurlock eating McDonald's, only consuming Chat GPT.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of like the concept.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Woof.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: Woof.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm I'm really deep today, dude.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: I love it, I love it because I I'm I'm gonna go even deeper because I have to bring up something completely outside of the movie because I saw it a few times from you yesterday and it blew my mind recently.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't gone to see the the biopic movie Tony yet, but I'm on a huge Anthony Bourdain kick right now.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: I've been going back and watching old episodes of parts unknown.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pulling up motivational clips all over TikTok and the different social media platforms.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: And and I saw you post a couple of Bourdain clips yourself.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: And what's funny, and I mean this as a wholehearted compliment to the doc, is there were parts of it that I was just like, oh man, this is really parts unknown, and I fucking love this.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna put on for this.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: To make this documentary, I would tell people it's part Anthony Bourdain, it's part Cork Kerbier enthusiasm, and it's part, you know, uh some food documentary.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was my biggest influence, and Bourdain as a host was probably my biggest inspiration in the sense that he didn't have the typical conversations with people.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't do the formulaic things.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Bourdain is a bit, you know, like I and then I added the Kirby enthusiasm in it because I wanted it to be more, a little bit more, especially for pizza.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted it to be a bit funnier.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted it to be a bit looser.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: I have a lot of pop culture people here.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want it to be super dark.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want people to be like going down a like the dark side of pizza pizza or something like that, which is a great documentary, no doubt, but it's not the one that I wanted to do.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: But Bourdain is a huge fucking influence on me, man.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and that's a I take that as a compliment because that was like a part of it.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: It was a point.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, no, there's no part of me that thinks I'm Anthony Bourdain in any way, but that's sort of like traveling from that traveling to show to show with someone who's funny and compelling and a bit rock and roll and interesting is missing from our television sets right now.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: And there's so many people that have tried to do it, from like Gordon Ramsay and even Conan O'Brien.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: I love all those people in their other forms, but nobody's kind of really been the Bourdain replacement.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: And and nobody ever will be, but like if I can make some shit that's kind of like reminds you a little bit of it in a different way, like that's to me like one of the one of my ultimate goals.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck, dude, you just blew my mind.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I shit you not.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: I was on like this two-hour drive the other day, and I'm listening.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm listening to the Parts Unknown podcast, which is kind of a hard listen because they just take the show and they throw it into the audio onto the streaming platforms, and it's like I kind of have to have the visual stimulation too.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm the same way.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: Is it is this visual as well?
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: This yeah, yeah.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, thank God.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: But no, but I was thinking about it, and I'm like, okay, long term, what do I want caught on the mic to look like?
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: And long term, I would love caught on the mic to eventually evolve into something.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: I just recently went to Colorado and went to a show where I got to hang out with the 311 dudes, uh, the sublime guys, and all of those guys backstage, and you know, got to talk to them a little bit.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't make any content of it, I just hung out with them because they had all been past podcast guests.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought to myself, man, that would be awesome.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like going to different cities, meeting with some of my favorite entertainers who are in those cities or based out of those cities and experiencing the city through their eyes.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's you know, yeah, man.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: I love that concept.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you should do that.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's missing.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so, like, you know, if you tried to pitch that show, they would immediately be like, Well, we don't know this guy, you know what I mean, and why should he be doing it?
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then they don't even get to the point of watching the demo, they're just like, oh, fuck it, you know, there's no Bourdain.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so what the greatest thing about this era of of where we are is like we literally could just put this on YouTube and have zero expectations of anybody actually fucking watching it, but then find a few people that do, and then like it sort of builds a little bit of a juggernaut.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same thing as when I did the Beverly Hills 90210 show, or when you start it with this, it's like that was the first era, and mostly the reason why the Beverly Hills 90210 show happened, it happened because it happened during the pandemic and everybody was home and there wasn't really sort of that like go around and talk to everybody, you know what I mean?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: So it was just a different timing of our universe.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: But now is the time where creators need to be.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: If you're into that, whatever you're into, if you're into indulgently eating a pizza and rating it a six, cool.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: But we have the platforms now to like do that and showcase ourselves where we didn't always have that.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: It was always sort of like, fuck, I need the the executive at this place to do the and this whole long drawn-out thing.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like literally raise some money, have some money, go work, make a thing, and just go fucking make the thing.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: That was the greatest advice that Kathleen Robertson gave me.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: I was hanging out with her at a in a hotel lobby in Toronto, and she said, What do you want to do?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's the project that you want to make?
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I was talking about, I think I was talking about the pizza documentary, and she was like, I and I probably said 10 other projects, and she's like, go make shit.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: Don't give me any excuses, just go make shit.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, She's right.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: I need to just go make shit.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that was sort of the that was sort of the the moment where I was like, Oh, I'm just not gonna so she was like, also said, like, stop waiting for people to say yes or no, tell yourself yes and just go do it.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: And here we are, you know what I mean?
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: This is the new punk rock.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: The things that you're doing and the things that I'm doing now, it's the new punk rock.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: And like and and these are the our digital flyers, if you will, you know, yeah, for sure.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: And the thing is, is like, you know, because Emerald Legossi is super popular or Anthony Burdain is super popular, and those formats or those people went away, though Emerald's still with us and doing bangin' work, but like it didn't mean that the genre disappeared.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like people were still looking for peep travel shows and cool, interesting new people that could take them on an adventure, not the same old fucking 10 that we've seen on all those channels forever.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's like I want to see new faces and like maybe not necessarily a chef, maybe someone that's just interesting.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like someone that doesn't necessarily qualify for that thing.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like, oh well, it can only be a chef that goes and tries food.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's like actually it's probably better if it's not because he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, and it's better that he brings the chef to understand what he's talking about.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like the host, the whole idea of like the host, like what you're doing here or what we do, it's like that format has sort of shifted a bit to be like celebrities hosting things and podcasts, and like some of them are fucking really good, and like they should be doing it, you know, the have been doing it the whole time.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's some where you're like, Yeah, you shouldn't be doing this.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like you actually really suck.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, and nothing you're saying is very interesting at all, and you don't know how to talk to a guest whatsoever.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like you've seen those clips pop up, and you're like, oh god, she needs to not have a show.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody in her universe or his universe, tell him stop because it's so not good.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: Get rid of the yes men, exactly.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: So finally, six months or a year from now, when people have watched the best pizza in LA, which is available now, video on demand.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what do you hope they are actually taking away from it?
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I would say like now that we had that conversation, my first answer would be I hope that, you know, if you're a foodie, you would be like, Well, I'm going to LA for work and I'm gonna definitely fuck with their pizza, and I'm gonna go to some of those shops that are in that film because it was definitely like a good guide.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: And you're gonna maybe if you DM DM me and I'll I'll tell you where to go and not to, I guess.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: But like, you know, I want I want LA to be really respected as a pizza city, and I want people to really, you know, be engaged with it and not put it in the in the box of like, oh, it's just a sucky pizza, and oh, they they they get a trophy now because they have decent pizza.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, no, it's like it's as good as any other city that you could possibly think of.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: But secondarily, I would be like kind of what we were talking about a little bit like supporting independent independent filmmakers or independent us, you know what I mean?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Of like podcasters and people that are going out and making the content and helping them to like create their content and do their thing because it's all costly and it's all hard and there's just a lot of rejection in it.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: People that pass on interviews, people that pass on all the things, and just sort of like get to a place where it's like, no, it's not just about like it being on TV.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's like there are really successful independent YouTubers and and uh content creators that are making really interesting things that don't have 2.5 million bot followers that everybody needs to get in bed with.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we want them because he's got two, it's like who knows what what when that, how that happened and occurred.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's sometimes I see a content creator with 2.5 million views or followers, and it's like, well, how am I just seeing the video today for the first fucking time?
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like you would think everybody has seen this person, you know what I mean?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like it feels like a bit manipulated, some of that.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: And so I would just say, like, I just want people to be supporting the artists and people that are creating these things because it is going to be the future, and it's it's already starting to happen in movies.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, filmmakers are going out, fucking making their movie and Then and now places are starting to have to buy it because it's it's a bit of a juggernaut.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: So back to the advice that Kathleen Robertson gave me if you are someone like that, just go fucking make the thing and don't make any excuses.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like go do the thing and just fucking have it happen.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're someone that consumes art and material and podcasts and film, it's like support everybody and help them get where they're going in any way that you possibly can because it is the future.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good tie-in to my my final question.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: First and foremost, Pete, I have really fucking enjoyed this conversation.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: Me too, I gotta get that off, man.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: I I I could hang out with you all night, man.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: But my my closing question that I ask every single guest that does my show because I enjoy their individual perspectives.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, everybody's got a unique perspective in life.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: Is what's your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today through your eyes and the things you've experienced?
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think having a few things.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Deep gratitude for the good and the bad that happens in your life.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: Some of the bad is really hard to have gratitude for.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: But if you're going to have gratitude for all the good things in your life, you have to at least acknowledge that you had to go through a tough moment to get, you know, to get to that other good moment or to like it's all deeply connected, our our story, our own story arcs.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like we're all on some big TV show, by the way.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: And also have compassion and empathy for all individuals, even people that you don't always agree with.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: And uh and to sort of like if you are an artist or someone that's making things, to keep them in mind as well and uh be affected and effective in sharing your story and belief of like what the world is supposed to be, and really just going for going for the things that you want to do and not really giving a fuck if you know somebody doesn't care for it or doesn't like it because ultimately it's like you need to do the thing for you to do you.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, I just think like I want to see more people going for the for the dream for the dream thing that that's been like hanging at hanging on that's in the back of their mind.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like it doesn't have to be film or a podcast, it could be like, I really want to get into cooking or I really want to work in an insurance agency or whatever the fuck that thing is, but like I just want people to go and do those things and have other people in their lives be totally supportive of them doing that thing and get them there because that's what er each of us is supposed to be doing.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, tell everybody where they can find you, your movies, and everything else online.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: Plug your shit, my friend.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm on Instagram at Peter Ferrero, which is spelt right here on the screen, f-e-r-r-i-e-r-o.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: The best pizza is in LA is now on Amazon and Apple.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: And just, you know, stick stick by me, stick through my social media, and you can see what I'm making next.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: Love it.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad we're connected.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad we actually got to hang out face to face.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: And man, I tell you what, I plan on seeing you on here sometime again in the not too distant future, Pete.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: The world's a much better place with you and it, my friend.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thanks so much, man.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_01: You too, and keep doing this.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: I I love your show, and I think this has been like one of the best interviews I've had.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_01: But the questions that you asked me really got me thinking and was sort of like outside of the normal.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, what's your favorite slice in Los Angeles or whatever it is?
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like I I prefer this kind of conversation.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: So, man, I can't wait to share this and like tell everybody to come check it out.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, brother.