Latest / Becker’s Healthcare Podcast / Redefining Nurse Practitioner Readiness and Workforce Alignment
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- 0:00This is Laura Dirdo with the Becker's Healthcare
- 0:02podcast. I'm thrilled today to be joined by
- 0:04doctor Marceline Ainsley,
- 0:06assistant professor of nursing at UNH School of
- 0:08Nursing, and doctor Tracy Chan, assistant professor and
- 0:11interim nurse practitioner program director at Oakland University
- 0:15School of Nursing in Rochester, Michigan.
- 0:17Doctor Ainsley, doctor Chan, thank you so much
- 0:19for joining us today.
- 0:21Thank you. So excited to, be here and
- 0:23have the opportunity to connect.
- 0:25Fantastic.
- 0:27Now I know you're really focused on, NP
- 0:29population educational preparation and figure out how we're
- 0:32going to be working with the nursing workforce
- 0:34of the future. So for hospital leaders, what's
- 0:37the practical
- 0:38problem that you're trying to solve here? How
- 0:40are you really defining the NP population in
- 0:42preparation
- 0:43as they show up on the clinical agencies?
- 0:46So hospitals experience real variability in what a
- 0:50new graduate NP is prepared to do even
- 0:54within the same population
- 0:56certification.
- 0:58NPs
- 0:59have eight different certification
- 1:02populations
- 1:03that they can work in.
- 1:05It's not an issue of whether NPs are
- 1:07capable,
- 1:08It's that the educational
- 1:10preparation
- 1:11has been described
- 1:12broadly,
- 1:13but not consistently bounded
- 1:16to. So institutions
- 1:17interpret
- 1:18preparation
- 1:19differently.
- 1:20It can lead to hiring
- 1:22based on assumptions,
- 1:24onboarding that's longer or less targeted than it
- 1:27needs to be, and uneven
- 1:30transition to practice
- 1:31outcomes.
- 1:33This work provides a clearer shared model of
- 1:36educational preparation
- 1:38so clinical agencies can align hiring,
- 1:42orientation, and early role assignment with what graduates
- 1:46were educated to do,
- 1:48improving efficiency
- 1:50and patient safety.
- 1:52And that's really helpful to understand. And, you
- 1:54know, it's so critical right now especially to
- 1:57have those, nurses in in the workforce that's
- 2:00prepared to improve efficiency as well as patient
- 2:03safety, thinking about how,
- 2:05the patient population is changing and shifting.
- 2:08Now in a paper that you've recently written,
- 2:11you argue that the NP Education is fundamentally
- 2:15different from the medical
- 2:16model because it's population based and holistic.
- 2:20I'm curious,
- 2:22doctor Ainsley, if you could talk a little
- 2:24bit more about what do hospital administrators most
- 2:26often misunderstand
- 2:27about this model and what misalignment does it
- 2:30create when NPs are placed into roles based
- 2:33on the medical model assumptions?
- 2:35Yeah. Thanks. That's a great question. We see
- 2:38this a lot in health systems.
- 2:41Most health systems
- 2:42operate in a medical model
- 2:45lens and have a lot of administrative
- 2:49higher level c suite administrators
- 2:52who are physicians,
- 2:53and it's assumed that the NPs
- 2:56coming in are
- 2:57have the same parameters
- 2:59of scope of practice.
- 3:01But NP education,
- 3:03like doctor Chan was saying, is really grounded
- 3:06in this holistic biopsychosocial
- 3:08model,
- 3:09and it's organized by patient populations and patient
- 3:13needs.
- 3:14The population
- 3:15span the wellness illness
- 3:17continuum,
- 3:19but the emphasis
- 3:20and implementation
- 3:21of this vary. So what this means is
- 3:24that when hospitals apply a medical model assumption
- 3:27to NP roles,
- 3:30Sometimes they might expect readiness for specific patient
- 3:33groups,
- 3:35a
- 3:36severity level or visit type that aren't central
- 3:40to the NP population's educational preparation.
- 3:44What our work helps to do is translate
- 3:47this population based model, which is unfamiliar
- 3:51to a lot of hospital system administrators
- 3:54and human resources department,
- 3:56and it translates it into practical parameters
- 4:00that hospitals could use to reduce the mismatch
- 4:04between the educational preparation of the new hire
- 4:08and the clinical environment in which they're being
- 4:11hired
- 4:12into.
- 4:13And this could build,
- 4:15just more predictable transitions into practice
- 4:18and create a smoother onboarding
- 4:21process.
- 4:22I love that. I think it makes a
- 4:24lot of sense, to really use the information
- 4:26we have and
- 4:28have that model then,
- 4:30shifted for the onboarding process to, really get
- 4:33people up to speed as quickly as possible.
- 4:36I I really appreciate that. Now, doctor Chan,
- 4:39what did the National Organization of Nurse Practitioner
- 4:43Faculties National Work Group actually produce that's new?
- 4:46Can you describe some of the population specific
- 4:48narratives and
- 4:50visual depictions
- 4:51and how they can set clear educational boundaries
- 4:54using age, severity, and visit content?
- 4:58Sure. Yes. That's exactly
- 5:00where our article was on. And NAMFC
- 5:04is the acronym for our organization, the National
- 5:07Organization of Nurse Practitioner
- 5:09Faculties,
- 5:10and we convened an inclusive consensus
- 5:14based
- 5:15national work group that had representation
- 5:19from all NP populations
- 5:22and collaborated
- 5:23with
- 5:24population specific
- 5:26nursing
- 5:27organizations.
- 5:28So there is specifically
- 5:31the pediatric nurse practitioners,
- 5:33there's women's health,
- 5:35neonatal,
- 5:37So we worked with those groups as well,
- 5:40and it expanded to being 81
- 5:43experts
- 5:44who work together
- 5:46to produce
- 5:48an outline,
- 5:50of
- 5:51population
- 5:52specific narrative descriptions
- 5:55as well as visual
- 5:57depictions
- 5:59that define the educational
- 6:01preparation
- 6:02using
- 6:03the
- 6:04patient centered categories of
- 6:07age, severity of presentation,
- 6:10and visit content.
- 6:12So
- 6:13this really gave
- 6:15more
- 6:16clearer educational
- 6:18parameters
- 6:19to help reduce
- 6:21regional and institutional
- 6:22variability
- 6:23and create a more predictive model for transition
- 6:26into practice.
- 6:28So looking at what
- 6:31ages have been defined in the consensus
- 6:34model, there was confusion
- 6:36out there on
- 6:37what age range
- 6:40fell for the adult gerontology.
- 6:42It said that it begins
- 6:44with young adult.
- 6:46Well, when we talk to
- 6:48programs
- 6:49within
- 6:50within this group of experts,
- 6:53we found that the definition was defined as
- 6:5612 years old in some institutions
- 6:59and as 21 years of age in others.
- 7:03So this variable
- 7:05interpretation
- 7:06resulted
- 7:07in adult GEO MPs
- 7:09receiving
- 7:10either full adolescent curriculum,
- 7:13some receiving just medical components and not the
- 7:16behavior or social components,
- 7:19and some receiving no adolescent
- 7:21curriculum.
- 7:22So this document
- 7:24helps to define that better so that hospital
- 7:28systems
- 7:29and employers
- 7:30understand
- 7:32what their,
- 7:34NP that they're hiring has been educated to
- 7:38be able to provide care for.
- 7:42That makes a lot of sense and, you
- 7:43know, it is so helpful to, see some
- 7:46of those variations and, you know, really being
- 7:48able to get to the bottom of how
- 7:50patients are treated and, where, you know, they
- 7:53have,
- 7:54the best results.
- 7:55Now I know overlapping between NP populations can
- 7:59be somewhat confusing, especially for workforce planning.
- 8:02Doctor Ainsley, what are some of the most
- 8:04important overlap versus distinction takeaways for hospitals, especially
- 8:09the idea that some populations may stabilize and
- 8:11refer or consult rather than provide that full
- 8:14spectrum of care for certain ages and severity
- 8:17levels.
- 8:18Yeah.
- 8:19That's great. So I I I I think
- 8:21I wanna answer this in two, like, two
- 8:24levels.
- 8:25Because the first,
- 8:27issue around overlap
- 8:30is a misinterpretation
- 8:32about RN prior work experience
- 8:35and NP education.
- 8:37So
- 8:38also different from the medical model is that
- 8:41our students have preexisting
- 8:43experience in the health care system.
- 8:46So we may receive
- 8:49ICURNs
- 8:50or acute care practicing registered nurses into,
- 8:54a family practice nurse practitioner
- 8:57program where the educational curriculum is grounded in
- 9:01a primary care environment, not acute care.
- 9:04And then when that
- 9:06student graduates
- 9:07and if they wanna go work somewhere
- 9:11in an inpatient
- 9:13setting,
- 9:14the capacity
- 9:16of their
- 9:17scope of practice is limited to their NP
- 9:20educational
- 9:20parameters.
- 9:21It is not dependent on
- 9:24their prior registered nurse experience.
- 9:27Now that registered nurse experience
- 9:30creates,
- 9:31more depth of knowledge.
- 9:33It,
- 9:34grounds
- 9:36and facilitates transition
- 9:38into,
- 9:39back into the health system in a new
- 9:42role.
- 9:43The prior RN experience
- 9:46creates
- 9:47value
- 9:48in hiring nurse practitioners because they have that
- 9:51depth of experience already,
- 9:54and they're not coming out as brand new
- 9:56healthcare practitioners.
- 9:58That being said,
- 10:00within the NP populations,
- 10:03there is also this second layer of overlap
- 10:06and distinction.
- 10:08So the first one being not to confuse
- 10:11their registered nurse experience with their nurse practitioner
- 10:14educational preparation.
- 10:16Those are distinct.
- 10:18And the second layer is within nurse practitioner
- 10:21populations
- 10:22themselves.
- 10:23So when we did this work,
- 10:25we found that NP populations
- 10:28really share
- 10:29more foundational
- 10:31educational preparation
- 10:33than even most educators
- 10:34assumed to be real.
- 10:37But when we drill down into
- 10:39what
- 10:40students needed to know and how we,
- 10:43engage in the health care system,
- 10:47The behaviors and the knowledge and the skills
- 10:49are very similar across NP roles, and it's
- 10:52really the context and setting
- 10:54that changes based on the NP population.
- 10:58And it's
- 10:59key to name this overlap accurately and define
- 11:02the boundaries of preparation so that hospitals aren't
- 11:05relying on guesswork
- 11:07in their hiring
- 11:09or in the alignment
- 11:10of the new hire with the clinical area
- 11:13in which they're
- 11:14being assigned.
- 11:16So it's a critical nuance in some scenarios
- 11:21and students may be educated to stabilize and
- 11:25refer or provide consult
- 11:27for certain aspects of care,
- 11:30but not have the full spectrum delivery of
- 11:33care. So if you think about like in
- 11:35the primary care setting,
- 11:37you know, students or patients inappropriately
- 11:40present to settings and
- 11:43you may have,
- 11:45a chest pain showing up to a primary
- 11:47care office. Right? And primary care is going
- 11:50to want to assess, stabilize, and refer to
- 11:53the next level of care.
- 11:54So the scope of dealing with that, within
- 11:57the primary care setting is not full spectrum
- 12:00of care,
- 12:01but how to move the patient through the
- 12:04system effectively
- 12:05to receive, the most appropriate level of care.
- 12:08And this
- 12:10full spectrum of care aligns with the bio
- 12:13psycho psychosocial model for the age and severity
- 12:17range identified
- 12:19for each NP population.
- 12:22So why is this important for hospitals?
- 12:25It supports smarter staffing models,
- 12:28creates clearer role expectations,
- 12:30and safer assignment decisions,
- 12:33especially in the high acuity and complex settings
- 12:37that represent our current health care system.
- 12:40That's helpful to understand. And, I think especially
- 12:44looking at the complexity of health care today,
- 12:46knowing all of these,
- 12:48different areas of variation and then being able
- 12:51to zero in on what is, the patient
- 12:54where the patient is and how you can,
- 12:57address some of those gaps makes a big
- 12:59difference. Now before we wrap up here, doctor
- 13:01Chan, I was curious if an
- 13:04member
- 13:05hospital wanted to act on this tomorrow. What
- 13:07would you advise?
- 13:09Thank you. So the first part really is
- 13:11looking at, you know, the document that shows
- 13:15what the educational
- 13:17preparation of MP populations
- 13:19by age and severity
- 13:22are reading, looking at both that visual depiction
- 13:25as well as the narrative descriptions,
- 13:27and using those
- 13:29to
- 13:30write your job descriptions and make them more
- 13:34explicit
- 13:35that reflect the age range, the typical severity
- 13:39your service expects.
- 13:42Then
- 13:43secondly, would be looking at your onboarding
- 13:46process and transition to practice pathways.
- 13:49Make sure they're targeted
- 13:51based on the predictable educational
- 13:54preparation and the actual clinical
- 13:57environment.
- 13:58And then engaging your clinical leaders and academic
- 14:02partners.
- 14:03So student clinical
- 14:05placements,
- 14:06precepting
- 14:07expectations,
- 14:08and early career role assignments
- 14:10align.
- 14:13The payoff is gonna be reduced variability
- 14:16and readiness,
- 14:17more
- 14:18efficient onboarding investment,
- 14:21a stronger team integration,
- 14:23and ultimately
- 14:24improved
- 14:25patient safety.
- 14:28Yeah. So I just wanted to add that,
- 14:31as soon as this work published
- 14:33and the table that doctor Chan's referencing
- 14:37is in the preamble to the competency implementation
- 14:41guide for nurse practitioner faculty that NAMF put
- 14:44out in 2024.
- 14:46There's also a peer reviewed article,
- 14:50that I provided the reference for. I hope
- 14:52the citation can make it,
- 14:54where the podcast is listed.
- 14:56And as soon as it's published, we receive
- 14:59contact from the veteran health affairs
- 15:02appreciating,
- 15:03the work that has been done and coaching
- 15:07them through,
- 15:08appropriate interpretation of the work so that they
- 15:11were able to do a workforce assessment
- 15:14for NP alignment and really work on improving
- 15:17their some of their hiring processes.
- 15:20So we know from working with VHA
- 15:23that this is something that's meaningful and desired
- 15:26by health systems.
- 15:27So we appreciate the opportunity to bring it
- 15:30to your group today.
- 15:32Absolutely. And we so appreciate your time and
- 15:35and energy in, spending with us and sharing
- 15:38with us a bit deeper into the work
- 15:39that you're doing. We can certainly make sure
- 15:41the citation and link is appearing within the,
- 15:44podcast notes and make sure that any listeners
- 15:47are able to easily access it, which will
- 15:48be fantastic.
- 15:50Doctor Chan, doctor Ainsley, thank you so much
- 15:52for joining us again, and I I truly
- 15:54appreciate your expertise and look forward to continuing
- 15:56the conversation in the future.
- 15:58Thank you.
- 15:59Thank you.