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James Talarico’s Insane Claims About His “Whiteness” and Masculinity · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
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  Speaker 2: Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
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  Speaker 2: and Jim Garrity of National Review.
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  Speaker 3: Free martinis coming up.
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  Speaker 4: So glad you're with us for the Tuesday edition of
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  Speaker 4: the Three Martini Lunch. A lot to get to today,
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  Speaker 4: and Jim, it's primary day again in a number of states.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna have the runoffs. In South Carolina, we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: have a bunch of results in Maryland. Here it's fun
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  Speaker 4: to see the Democrat versus Democrat primary ads. We'll talk
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  Speaker 4: about that in the chaser. But we're gonna start in
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  Speaker 4: New York, where again it's mostly just Democrats versus Democrats here,
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  Speaker 4: but it's really democrats versus socialists because Zoron Mamdani is
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  Speaker 4: feeling momentum right now and he's actually endorsed challengers to
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  Speaker 4: two sitting Democrats, both of whom we would not really
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  Speaker 4: want to see reelected. But in this case it could
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  Speaker 4: be worse, and the people that Mumdani has endorsed certainly
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  Speaker 4: would be worse. And so that's not even getting to
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  Speaker 4: the primary that include Schlosberg and George Conway in Manhattan.
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  Speaker 4: So it's a real festival of weirdos in New York.
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  Speaker 4: But nonetheless, we've got Congressman Dan Goldman, who most people
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  Speaker 4: on the right sea has completely obnoxious, been very very
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  Speaker 4: hostile to the right during committee hearings and so forth.
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  Speaker 4: But he is up against Brad Lander, who ran for
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  Speaker 4: mayor briefly and now he's also the former New York
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  Speaker 4: City comptroller, also a pretty obnoxious guy. He's expected to
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  Speaker 4: win this primary quite handily over Goldman, mainly over the
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  Speaker 4: issue of Israel. Meanwhile, a member of the Progressive Caucus
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  Speaker 4: and chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, Congressman Adriano Espiat
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  Speaker 4: is in a neck and neck race against an avowed
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  Speaker 4: socialist a Kami Daria Lisa Chevalier, that Mamdani has openly
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  Speaker 4: endorsed as well, and so at a rally just this week,
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  Speaker 4: Mamdani talking about the dystopian view as we would see it,
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  Speaker 4: of what he wants to see in these elections.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I was quoting Ramschi, who said that the
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  Speaker 5: old world is dying and the new world struggles to
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  Speaker 5: be born.
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  Speaker 6: Now is the time of monsters.
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  Speaker 2: I used the term to describe all those who were
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  Speaker 2: preventing the birth of a.
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  Speaker 4: New world, a birth of a new world. That's what
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  Speaker 4: he wants there. And so Jim the question was, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you called getting donations from APAC monster money. And so
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  Speaker 4: we've got that going on between the people who you
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  Speaker 4: don't want to see return and the people you really
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  Speaker 4: don't want to see arrive. That's what voters in New
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  Speaker 4: York City have in front of them today.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Greg, I'm gonna be I'm going to disagree
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  Speaker 5: with you slightly. I think for the Democratic Socialists of
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  Speaker 5: America and their increasing role in Democratic policies and in
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  Speaker 5: Democratic Party and getting elected in a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 5: different cities, now is the time of monsters. Seemed like
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  Speaker 5: a really fitting slogan for them, just truth in advertising,
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  Speaker 5: kudos to them. Now he meant apak, you know, as
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  Speaker 5: the monsters. You know who Zoron Mamdami has never called monsters,
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  Speaker 5: Greg hamas isis al Kaieda, any of those particular groups.
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  Speaker 5: I don't even I don't even think you called the
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  Speaker 5: San Antonio Spurs monsters you think about it. So we're
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  Speaker 5: talking about really hated groups in New York City. So look,
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  Speaker 5: we had always thought the Democratic Party was really really
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  Speaker 5: left and I kind of knew that Trump's victory in
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  Speaker 5: twenty twenty four was ideally going to force some soul
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  Speaker 5: searching in the Democratic Party and say, Wow, we think
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  Speaker 5: we're so much better than this guy. We think our
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  Speaker 5: message is so much better. We think our policies are
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  Speaker 5: so much better. Why do people not like us? Why
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  Speaker 5: do businesses keep leaving blue states? Why do businesses keep
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  Speaker 5: leaving blue cities? And the answer they've concluded is we're
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  Speaker 5: not socialist enough. We need to be more openly socialists.
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  Speaker 5: The socialist types are arguing they are offering a positive vision.
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  Speaker 5: This positive vision requires you to ignore little things like
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  Speaker 5: gulags and political prisoners and the entire history of communism
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  Speaker 5: everywhere it has ever been tried anywhere.
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  Speaker 6: But there is that.
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  Speaker 5: And also keep in mind, greg you can't become a
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  Speaker 5: US citizen if you are a registered member of the
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  Speaker 5: Communist party in a foreign country. You can't be a
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  Speaker 5: back You're supposed to be allowed into the country, right,
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  Speaker 5: So if we don't allow people with that kind of
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  Speaker 5: mentality to come into the country, why would we want
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  Speaker 5: to put them in high offices here in the United States.
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  Speaker 6: I've never gotten a good explanation for that. Ah, it's
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  Speaker 6: Cold War. No, no, it's still in the books.
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  Speaker 5: Again, the idea that you and I could end up
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  Speaker 5: becoming de facto rooting for Goldman and Espiot is a
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  Speaker 5: demonstration of how crazy things have gotten about there. Also,
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  Speaker 5: I kind of marvel because I keep hearing that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Americans don't care about foreign policy, and you know, we
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  Speaker 5: talk about foreign policy and national security defense issues on
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  Speaker 5: this podcast a lot. Yeah, you know, nine times out
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  Speaker 5: of tend the most important issue in an election for
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  Speaker 5: most voters is the economy, and there's nothing wrong with that,
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  Speaker 5: but I kind of wish we would pay more attention
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  Speaker 5: to foreign policy and US interests abroad.
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  Speaker 6: So this is a bit.
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  Speaker 5: Of the you know, the Gypsy curse or something, which
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  Speaker 5: Americans do care about foreign policy in this democratic primary.
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  Speaker 5: What they care about is who hates Israel more? And
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  Speaker 5: that's you know, who can be more pro Hamas, who
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  Speaker 5: can be more who can do more to handwave away
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  Speaker 5: October seventh, and who can make the argument that Israel
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  Speaker 5: is the greatest threat to world peace. That is some
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  Speaker 5: sort of you know, bizarro world reversed up is down
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  Speaker 5: left his right kind of working there. Also, Lander, it's
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  Speaker 5: been interesting to see him talking about Zora and Mamdami
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  Speaker 5: and I working together.
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  Speaker 6: You ran against him in the.
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  Speaker 5: Primary, dude, like I have been a fan of Mamdami
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  Speaker 5: for the past ten minutes. Schlosberg and Conway, he just
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  Speaker 5: named two figures, so I just wish would go away.
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  Speaker 5: The fact that Schlosberg isn't running away with this, as
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  Speaker 5: far as I know, is somewhat reassuring, and the idea
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  Speaker 5: we are ending this era that by simply being a
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  Speaker 5: member of the Kennedy family you're entitled to any seat
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  Speaker 5: in Congress or elected office that you like. Conway, actually,
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  Speaker 5: I'm kind of surprised how little I've heard about him,
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  Speaker 5: And I think being an MSNBC commentator is like MSNBC
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  Speaker 5: commentator and Democratic members of Congress both kind of annoy us,
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  Speaker 5: but under our constitution, they have very different roles in
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  Speaker 5: our system, and I don't think doing one makes you
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  Speaker 5: automatically good at the other. And this kind of goes
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  Speaker 5: for Democratic members of Congress. Maybe you should spend less
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  Speaker 5: time on MSNBC or other television networks, and maybe you
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  Speaker 5: should focus more on actually getting bills passed and getting
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  Speaker 5: things done and actual your actual stated responsibilities under the
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  Speaker 5: conducting Oversight. By way, this kind of goes for Republican
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  Speaker 5: members too, the ones who are basically seems like they
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  Speaker 5: sleep in the Fox newsgreen room or Newsmax. So the
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  Speaker 5: ideal world like people would know what their jobs are
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  Speaker 5: and they would not see elected office as a stepping
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  Speaker 5: stone to what they really want to do, would just
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  Speaker 5: be a celebrity.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that's exactly right. It'd be fun if Schlasburg wins
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  Speaker 4: the primary, and the Democrats will be all happy with that. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 4: Bernie's out there in Maine and so many other places
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  Speaker 4: saying we gotta, we got to defeat the oligarchy. But
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  Speaker 4: you also need to elect the Kennedy, those working class Kennedy's.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 4: So here's another one. This is a debate between Sbiat
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  Speaker 4: and Chevalier Jim. If someone asks you in the middle
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  Speaker 4: of a debate, what country you were cheering for in
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  Speaker 4: the World Cup, I think that's an easy answer. I
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  Speaker 4: assume you would say the United States. I would certainly
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  Speaker 4: say the United States. Neither of these people said the
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  Speaker 4: United States. World Cup is here the first match this
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  Speaker 4: week in a met Life stadium taking place in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 4: Even though some people say it is technically New York.
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  Speaker 4: But what do you think will win it all? Who
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  Speaker 4: are you rooting for?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: I like Mexico, Mexico.
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  Speaker 6: There you go, Senegal, Senegal.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Jim, I don't even know what to say.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, because, like I struck by the fact.
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  Speaker 5: But neither of them like is that their heritage, is
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  Speaker 5: that their you know, land of their ancestors or anything
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  Speaker 5: like that. It's a weird year when you don't have
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  Speaker 5: Italy or Ireland in the World Cup.
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  Speaker 6: But you know, it's unsurprising.
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  Speaker 5: First of all, if you're an American, I'm hoping you're
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  Speaker 5: rooting for Team USA. Let's face it, the American men's
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  Speaker 5: soccer team does not have the most sterling record in
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  Speaker 5: World Cup competitions. We're doing phenomenal this year, so I
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  Speaker 5: think you really should be rooting for the US this year.
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  Speaker 5: But it's perfectly okay to have another country that you're
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  Speaker 5: root for, but I think you should mention the US
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  Speaker 5: and that other country. You know, Usually it's like if
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  Speaker 5: Greece is not in it this year, right, I don't
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  Speaker 5: believe so okay, because you know, every time there's a
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  Speaker 5: there's a you know, it goes out of bounds.
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  Speaker 6: They have to yell in grease ball, and I always
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  Speaker 6: feel like that's a bit of a slur.
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  Speaker 5: But nonetheless, like, you know, if you want to root
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  Speaker 5: for another team, go right ahead. Not everybody doing the
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  Speaker 5: Norway rowing thing in Times Square is of Norwegian heritage.
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  Speaker 5: It's perfectly okay to quote unquote adopt another team. But
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  Speaker 5: I really think America should be in there, particularly when
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  Speaker 5: you're running for office in the United States of America.
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  Speaker 5: And in this case, it's all just like like or
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  Speaker 5: you know, if you want to be a Bandwagon fan
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  Speaker 5: and root for Argentina, go right ahead, or you really
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  Speaker 5: love Messi or fine, that's fine, but mention America in
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  Speaker 5: there somewhere, and either one of them did it, Like
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  Speaker 5: that's that says something about the dynamics in the Democratic
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  Speaker 5: Party where you don't want to say you're rooting for
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  Speaker 5: Team USA.
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  Speaker 4: It's just unbelievable. I mean, yes, if Greece was in
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  Speaker 4: there and the US got knocked out, then I'd probably
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  Speaker 4: lean towards Greece. I'm sure you'd probably do the same
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  Speaker 4: with the Irish. But that's that's a whole different story.
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  Speaker 4: That is like the fact that the US wouldn't even
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  Speaker 4: enter your mind.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, at no point do they have in hall either.
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  Speaker 5: There's no hesitation of who am I really rooting?
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  Speaker 4: For the fact that I wasn't sure if Greece was
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  Speaker 4: in the World Cup shows you how passionate I am
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  Speaker 4: about this tournament. I hope everybody has a great time,
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  Speaker 4: and I hope the USA wins. But the amount of
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  Speaker 4: minutes I'll spend watching this tournament unless the USA gets
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  Speaker 4: really deep, not a lot. But I hope everybody has
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  Speaker 4: let's shift over to Texas. The Texas Senate race is
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  Speaker 4: between Ken Paxton and James Tallerico. Of course, John Cornyn,
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  Speaker 4: the fourth term incumbent, defeated by Paxton in the primary.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, the argument against Paxton, of course, is
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  Speaker 4: that he's got a lot of controversies and corruption allegations
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  Speaker 4: and even an impeachment by the Texas House. The argument
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  Speaker 4: against tall Rico is the man's insane, and he says
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  Speaker 4: the most outlandish, like beyond far awoke things. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if that was just to raise his profile and
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  Speaker 4: to show that he's a you know, a lefty that's
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  Speaker 4: standing out in Texas. Well, it got him the Senate
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  Speaker 4: nomination over Jasmine Crockett. But now he's trying to walk
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  Speaker 4: back all this stuff because, of course, he actually is
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  Speaker 4: trying to win this race, and you can't do that
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  Speaker 4: when you've got a mountain of insane quotes that are
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  Speaker 4: now on the record. And here's another one that has
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  Speaker 4: come out about how he just struggles so much being
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  Speaker 4: a white guy.
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  Speaker 2: I should mention, you know, my imagination is also just
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  Speaker 2: limited by my own background and identity, my own my whiteness,
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  Speaker 2: my masculinity. All those things limited my imagination about what's possible.
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  Speaker 2: So I have to continually press against that to try
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  Speaker 2: to expand the limits of what I'm dreaming of for
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  Speaker 2: our community. And that's where you know, doctorrom and your
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  Speaker 2: book helps me do that, and podcasts like this helped
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  Speaker 2: me do that.
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  Speaker 4: Jim, I don't know how much you've struggled with your
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  Speaker 4: whiteness or masculinity. By the way, the book he referenced
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  Speaker 4: there is apparently written by a trans queer Latino theologian,
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  Speaker 4: So mark that for what it's worth. But the avalanche
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  Speaker 4: of quotes that are going to hurt James Tallerrico just
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  Speaker 4: keeps getting high.
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  Speaker 5: Greg, you're joking about this, but honestly, goodness, I do
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  Speaker 5: struggle with my whiteness, mostly in the form of melanoma,
• 12:45
  Speaker 5: because I have very little melanin as viewers of this
• 12:48
  Speaker 5: podcast can tell, which means I get sunburned very easily.
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  Speaker 5: I also have struggled with my masculinity, mostly when listeners
• 12:54
  Speaker 5: re call the redoing of the kitchen, because my wife
• 12:58
  Speaker 5: and our lovely redesigner we're talking about and it's like,
• 13:01
  Speaker 5: what kind of colors do you want? And they basically
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  Speaker 5: held up a blank sheet of paper, and the blank
• 13:05
  Speaker 5: sheet of paper was like, No, this one is bone,
• 13:08
  Speaker 5: this one is total white, this one is partial white,
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  Speaker 5: this one is off white. I didn't know I was
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  Speaker 5: color blind until I had to, But apparently the Y
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  Speaker 5: chromosome makes it very tough. I'm being very joking and
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  Speaker 5: sarcastic of that. I really would like to ask James Tellerico,
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  Speaker 5: if you believe that your masculinity limits your imagination, do
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  Speaker 5: you believe that femininity limits imagination in another way? If so,
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  Speaker 5: please say so on the record on camera. Yes, one,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think you want to do that. If you
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  Speaker 5: believe that your whiteness limits your imagination, do you believe
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  Speaker 5: that blackness? Do you believe Latino heritage? Do you believe
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  Speaker 5: that Asian or any other heritage? Do you think that
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  Speaker 5: that limits imagination? Now, if he wants to say, we
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: can only go through life as we are, as we
• 13:48
  Speaker 5: were born and other than Rachel Dolezol, we cannot change
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  Speaker 5: our race, we cannot become another race. And there's always
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: that question of you never judge and manage till you've
• 13:56
  Speaker 5: walked a mile in his moccasins. Right, this idea that
• 13:58
  Speaker 5: you've you know, you should let someone like someone else
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  Speaker 5: talks about their experience. You may not have comparable experiences.
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  Speaker 5: You may not really fully understand what it's like to
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  Speaker 5: be them. And this is why we're supposed to call
• 14:09
  Speaker 5: to try to be empathetic. And you know, if you
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  Speaker 5: buy into Christianity, we're supposed to look at as our
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  Speaker 5: brothers and sisters in Christ. Right, We're supposed to look
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  Speaker 5: at them as family members, even if we're very different.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't get that from Talla Rico. I get
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  Speaker 5: this as from this self flagellating Oh I.
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  Speaker 6: Am so bad.
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  Speaker 5: Here are all the flaws in me, And I don't
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  Speaker 5: think that's like as bad as Ken Paxton is. Lord
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  Speaker 5: knows that man has all kinds of flaws and scandals
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  Speaker 5: and crimes and sins and his you know, marriage is
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  Speaker 5: a super fun site. But you look at all that
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  Speaker 5: and he doesn't walk around talking. But there's something wrong
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  Speaker 5: with him because he's white, or because he's male, or
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: because he's straight and apparently very very straight based on
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: the number of mistresses. He has attempted to persuade state
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: agencies to hire, although I guess you could say he
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: was just trying to create jobs for women. Maybe that's
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  Speaker 5: part of his sales pitch there. You look at that like,
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  Speaker 5: I think this is just I think there's just a
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  Speaker 5: significant chunk of the electorate that's just sick and tired
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  Speaker 5: of this and just you know, like not just dividing people,
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  Speaker 5: not just getting into the bean counting, not just getting
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  Speaker 5: into the sense of these people have to be in
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  Speaker 5: this category or something, but that there's something inherently better
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  Speaker 5: or worse than people based on that. Look, Greg, you
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  Speaker 5: and I have been around a while. If there's anything
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  Speaker 5: life has taught us is that you can find jerks
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  Speaker 5: of every color, every race, every creed, every religion there are.
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  Speaker 5: You know, there is no group of people. I don't
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: believe in racial superiority, but I do believe in across
• 15:29
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  Speaker 4: And that has passed in up forty nine forty seven.
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  Speaker 4: I think you've got to still address the issues, because
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's what he's going to do to try
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  Speaker 5: And my suspicion is that if you ask one, I'll
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  Speaker 5: be interested in new tel Rico does interviews in which
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  Speaker 5: he gets asked about these kinds of comments, to say,
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  Speaker 5: your imagine?
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: Do still believe that?
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: And he probably would want to go back and take
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: a second shot at that one. He's probably saying, oh, well,
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  Speaker 5: when I said that, what I really meant.
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  Speaker 6: Was blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 5: But if he doesn't do that, if he does it,
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  Speaker 5: then it's like this, you know, Kamala Harris saying, hey,
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  Speaker 5: remember all those things I said four years ago. I'm
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: going to have a staffer issue a statement that is
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  Speaker 5: no longer my position. And if your thinking has changed, great,
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  Speaker 5: But ideally you're thinking has changed on something more than well,
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  Speaker 5: I was running for a smaller, more bluer district than
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: now I'm running statewide in Texas.
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  Speaker 6: So I can't believe that.
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  Speaker 5: I think you need a better explanation for that, and
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  Speaker 4: No, but he's trying. He's saying, oh, I was trying
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  Speaker 5: Oh I thought it a better one. It's, you know,
• 17:50
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  Speaker 4: All right, Jim, Well, the past week or so has
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: certainly been a fun time for most of the mainstream
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: media because they got to focus on their beloved Barack
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: and Michelle Obama again with the opening of the Obama
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Presidential Center in Chicago, Illinois. The official ceremony was Thursday
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: of last week, and a lot of people, of course,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: especially on the left, even though they don't admit they're
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: on the left, extolling the Obama years in so many ways,
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: and of course they'll use it as a as a
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: way to attack the current administration. But two former network
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: guys Chuck Todd, long time with NBC, Chris Solizza, first
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: of The Washington Post and then of CNN. I don't
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: know which one's podcast this is from it it's Eliza, Okay,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: So they both have podcasts, but Solisza's the host here.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: They both do the decision desk thing on primary and
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: election nights, and so, Jim, they have once again come
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: back with the old trope that Obama really wasn't that
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: far left. He's actually pretty moderate and the only reason
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Republicans and others on the right had an issue with them, well,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: it's because he's black.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Listen Obama rad right. It was the same thing right
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: far rights viewed Obama as some left winger. Right, Obama
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: was basically a degree more liberal than Bill Clinton.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: You know, mentally a moderate. Obama probably temperamentally a moderate.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: What policy was he that liberal on? Chris it's one
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: of the biggest thing. It's because he was black, thank you.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: The only reason people think it was liberal is because
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: he's black.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Like it's this he he he governed more closely to
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: George W. Bush than than than Donald Trump.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: He wanted single payer healthcare. I'm pretty sure that's pretty
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: far left.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: DACA was an extreme authoritarian move that didn't involve Congress.
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: He went after his political enemies through the I R S.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: I would say that's pretty far left. And so Liza
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: actually saying out loud Jim that whether you're modern or
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: not depends on how you speak, rather than what you're saying.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: I was gonna say.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: My original remarks here, Greg were going to include Obama
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: tried to reach a deal with the Iranians, but that
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: that would be got to cross that one off in
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: recent events. Here's what if you're like, so the idea
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: of like, oh, he's a degree more liberal than Clinton.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: Bill Clinton was not as centrist as a lot of
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: people want.
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: To remember him.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: So he became more centrist after the Republican Revolution of
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: nineteen ninety four, where the whole country was like, what
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: the heck are you doing? This is not what we
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: voted for. You promised you're gonna cut taxes, You're raising taxes.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: You went on this tax and spend spree. You know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Jocelyn Elders, we're gonna put condoms on the you know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: handing out condoms, and schools we're gonna teach kids to masturbate.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: There wasn't a World Series in nineteen ninety four. All
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: these different factors of how the country is going far
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: to the left. But I want to put out, like,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: how would you define the political center? I think the
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: best way to define the political center is to take
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: the most left word Republican or the most right word democrat,
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: and figure out it's somewhere in there. So, based on
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: recent history, you'd say, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski on the
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: Republican side, Mansion and Cinema are no longer with us
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: in the Democratic side in the Senate. But yeah, I
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: suppose you could do Fan to Fetterman only votes of the
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Trump administration like twenty some percent of the time, if
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: that so, Like you know, but there is your sense
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: of where the political center is, right, Obama is significantly
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: to the left of that, of that position, like on
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: a whole foreign policy, domestic policy, social policy, economics, every
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: single one of those, like significantly to the left of that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: What Obama was the was remarkably gifted at and he
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: was helped long by not just a media that believed him,
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: a media that wanted to believe him. The standard Obama trope.
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: Was, some say that we should do this on the right,
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: that would destroy the world. Some people on the left
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: say we should do this, that would destroy the world.
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: But I have found this sensible path in the middle.
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: And it was like the fact that he could find
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: Bernie Sanders to the left of him meant that he
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: must be in the sensible middle part, not actually on
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: the right. Where I get I think it was on
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: an issue after issue significantly further to the left to
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: the median voter, significantly to the left of the median
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: senator or House member. But again the fact that he
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: says he was moderate in his temperament. This is a
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: kin to the deury to which Mark Warner and various
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: other Michael Bennett Democrats who are considered to be moderate
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: when you look at them, they pretty much vote party
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: line a lot. They really don't deviate from party orthodoxy.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: There are a bunch of people who think that moderation
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: is a stylistic choice, not a matter of ideology or
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: political positioning, and that's not understanding what the term means,
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: or at least not being precise enough in it. So
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: it's nice to see that very clearly at work.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: The Obama revisionism, the Obama hero worship continues undebated on
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: the left. And again two guys who remember Chrystalizza was
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: out there when he's at CN endging just passionately saying
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: we don't root for a side you do.
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: I don't believe you.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: So anyway, it's fun to see the mask come off.
• 24:42
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• 24:45
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  Speaker 4: talked about New York, but also Maryland is having its
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  Speaker 4: primaries today, another deep blue state, and the one race
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  Speaker 4: that I can't avoid is for the Democratic nomination in
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: the sixth congressional district. David Trone, the billionaire founder of
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  Speaker 4: Total Wine, had that seat, gave it up two years
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  Speaker 4: ago to run for Senate. He lost in the Democratic primary.
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  Speaker 4: Now he wants it back. April McLain Delaney is the
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  Speaker 4: wife of John Delaney, who also used to hold that seat.
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  Speaker 4: He ran for president for about ten minutes in twenty twenty,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: and now there's this huge primary fight Delaney who's the
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: incumbent and has the endorsement of Senator Chris van Holland
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: and Congressman Jamie Raskin, two guys that we would not
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: want the endorsement. I've been in a Democratic primary that
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: seems pretty good. So now Trone's out there saying, well,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I'm endorsed by these regular folks who work hard every
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: day throughout our district. And then at the same time,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: he's got an ad where people are reading a letter
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: from Hillary Clinton that's not even an endorsement, it's just
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: a nice letter from Hillary Clinton. And so he's like
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: all excited that Hillary Clinton effectively backs him in this race.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: But the bigger issue Jim is since he is a billionaire,
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I can't go anywhere, I can't go online, I can't
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: watch TV. I can't even listen to the radio in
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: the car with at least without at least one David
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Trone spot every commercial break.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: First of all, Greg, there are a lot of Democratic
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: members in Congress and former members of Congress who I
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: would say, I have never done a darn thing for
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: me David Trump and runs a really good one in
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: beer store. I got to say, you know, look, as
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: a congressman he's hot garbage.
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: But as a guy.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: Giving you every micro brewery from coast to coast you
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: could ever want here in Authenticity Woods, he does a
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: nice job. Good job, John, David Trut stick to what
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: you're good at. You you know, I know that sober
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: judgment is not what you're known for, right, It's helping
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: people get rid of their sober judgment.
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: That's what you're best known for. And yes, because he's
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: a built.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: Every Maryland Democratic primary ad which we get in the
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Washington DC area, I mean, I know about you.
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: Greg.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: I find it a little bit reassuring that Ah Democratic
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: elected officials and candidates are every bit as vicious to
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: each other as they are to Republicans in the general election,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: because it's always you know, so and so once voted
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: in a prayer of this idea supported by Trump, which
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: is just the same as attacking cops on January sixth.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: You know, you just can't trust that. You know, this
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: person once said that abortion isn't always a good thing.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: That's the Handmaid's tale. You know, it's just in your face.
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: They hate each other.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: It's kind of the interesting thing is like after the primary, well,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: we're all expected to come together and unite behind each other. Finally,
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: nobody really hates billionaires. I know they say they do,
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: but like, there is not a lefty on this earth
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: who's like, Alex Soros should not have all that money
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: and we should give away all the sorrows money.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: Because that's tainted.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: You know, that's a writing populous very few of them,
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: any problems with Musk or Atolsen or anything. Everybody's hatred
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: of billionaires is completely contingent upon what causes they support.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: I don't spend a lot of time raging about billionaires
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: unless you want to count Wody Johnson.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm not going to miss the dueling ads where
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: they're they're each like, no, I support abortion more.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: I'm performing an abortion right now.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: Just go away.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: I know we live in a blue area now and
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: I'm having a hard time accepting that, But geez, just ridiculous.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: So one of them is going to go away. So
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: that's good news. Jim, I'll see tomorrow. See tomorrow, Greg,
• 28:58
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