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Music, Memory, and Mental Health · Music Explored Podcast

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  When
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  I'm
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  asked
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  this
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  question,
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  so
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  many
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  stories
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  come
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  to
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  mind.
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  But
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  I
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  love
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  telling
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  stories
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  about
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  songwriting
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  because
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  I
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  do
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  songwriting
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  with
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  people.
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  But
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  nine
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  times
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  out
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  of
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  10,
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  9.9
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  times
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  out
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  of
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  10,
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  the
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  people
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  I'm
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  working
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  with
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  have
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  never
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  written
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  a
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  song
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  before,
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  have
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  never
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  touched
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  an
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  instrument
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  before.
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  And
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  I
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  invite
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  songwriting
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  in
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  as
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  a
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  way
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  to
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  express
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  themselves.
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  So
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  people
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  look
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  at
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  me
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  like
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  I
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  can't
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  write
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  a
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  song,
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  and
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  I
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  say,
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  you
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  don't
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  have
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  to
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  do
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  the
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  heavy
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  musical
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  lifting.
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  I
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  do
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  that.
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  You
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  tell
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  me
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  your
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  story.
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  So
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  I'm
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  thinking
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  about
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  a
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  young
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  woman
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  who.
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  We
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  did
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  live
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  music
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  together
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  for
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  relaxation.
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  But
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  she
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  told
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  me
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  about
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  her
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  son
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  and
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  her
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  son
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  was
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  2
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  at
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  the
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  time,
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  just
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  a
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  really
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  little
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  guy.
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  And
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  she
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  said,
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  give
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  him
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  something
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  that
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  he
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  can
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  always
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  have
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  because
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  I
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  know
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  that
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  I'm
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  not
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  around
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  for
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  the
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  rest
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  of
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  his
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  life.
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  So
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  I'd
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  like
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  to
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  write
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  something
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  for
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  him
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  that
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  he
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  can
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  have
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  at
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  his
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  wedding.
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  So
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  she
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  and
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  I
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  wrote
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  a
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  song
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  for
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  her
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  son,
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  her
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  two
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  year
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  old
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  son,
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  that
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  he
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  would
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  then
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  be
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  able
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  to
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  play
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  when
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  he
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  got
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  married,
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  whenever
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  that
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  was.
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  So
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  she
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  and
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  I
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  guided
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  her
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  and
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  I
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  asked
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  her,
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  you
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  know,
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  what
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  do
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  you
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  want
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  your
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  son
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  to
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  feel
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  when
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  he
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  hears
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  this
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  song?
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  What
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  do
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  you
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  want
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  him
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  to
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  think
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  about
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  when
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  he
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  feels
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  sad
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  or
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  misses
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  you?
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  What
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  are
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  some
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  words
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  of
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  wisdom
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  you
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  want
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  to
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  pass
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  on?
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  So
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  she
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  would
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  tell
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  me
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  all
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  of
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  this
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  and
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  together
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  we
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  crafted
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  it
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  into
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  verses
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  in
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  a
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  chorus
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  and
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  recorded
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  it
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  together.
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  She
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  would
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  speak
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  the
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  verses,
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  she'd
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  say,
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  you
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  know,
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  I
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  want
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  you
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  to
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  always
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  remember
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  this.
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  I
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  want
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  you
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  to
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  always
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  think
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  of
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  this.
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  And
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  I
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  would
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  play
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  music
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  in
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  the
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  background
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  and
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  then
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  I
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  sang
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  the
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  chorus
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  because
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  she
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  didn't
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  want
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  to
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  sing.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm
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  not.
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  Are
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  you
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  familiar
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  with
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  the.
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  Are
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  you
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  familiar
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  with
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  the
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  music
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  in
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  memory
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  organization
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  by
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  any
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  chance?
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  Because
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  I
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  see
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  some
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  parallels
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  there
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  to
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  the
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  work
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  that
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  you
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  do
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  and
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  the
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  work
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  that
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  they
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  do.
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  I
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  am,
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  I
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  am.
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  Were
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  you
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  interviewing
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  them
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  recently?
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  In
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  a
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  little.
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  We
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  spoke
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  to
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  them
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  a
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  couple
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  months
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  ago
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  actually.
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  Yeah,
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  I
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  think
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  I
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  saw
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  that.
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  That's
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  awesome.
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  So,
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  yes,
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  I
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  am
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  familiar
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  with
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  their
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  work
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  and
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  I
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  think
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  we
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  are
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  all
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  different
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  sides
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  of
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  the
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  same
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  coin,
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  as
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  it
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  were,
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  or
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  like
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  different
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  elements
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  of
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  the
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  same
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  sphere.
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  Like
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  we
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  are
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  all
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  doing
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  the
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  same
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  thing.
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  We
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  just
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  approach
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  it
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  differently,
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  which
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  is
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  so
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  cool.
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  And
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  that
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  goes
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  for
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  performers
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  and
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  teachers,
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  therapists,
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  music
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  and
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  memory
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  practitioners,
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  researchers.
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  We're
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  all
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  doing
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  the
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  same
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  thing.
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  It's
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  just
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  we're
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  approaching
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  it
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  from
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  different
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  angles.
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  So
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  I
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  love
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  the
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  work
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  of
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  the
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  music
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  and
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  memory
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  Folks,
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  I
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  think
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  it's
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  extraordinary.
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  Yeah,
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  for
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  sure.
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  Yeah,
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  I
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  agree.
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  Which
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  is
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  kind
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  of
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  the
• 2:35
  reason
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  why
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  we
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  even
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  wanted
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  to
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  have
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  the
• 2:37
  conversation
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  with
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  you
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  to
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  begin
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  with,
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  because
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  I'm
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  just.
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  We're
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  both
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  so
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  really
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  fascinated
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  at
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  the
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  connection
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  that
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  music
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  and
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  just
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  mental
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  health
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  and
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  Alzheimer's
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  and
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  memory
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  have
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  in
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  general.
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  It's
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  incredible.
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  Really,
• 2:49
  really
• 2:49
  fascinating
• 2:50
  stuff.
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  Definitely.
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  So
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  when
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  you
• 2:53
  started
• 2:53
  with
• 2:53
  the
• 2:53
  hospital,
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  was
• 2:54
  this
• 2:54
  still
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  a
• 2:55
  brand
• 2:55
  new
• 2:55
  program
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  at
• 2:56
  that
• 2:56
  point
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  or
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  did
• 2:57
  they
• 2:57
  have
• 2:57
  something
• 2:57
  existing?
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  It
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  was.
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  They
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  didn't
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  have
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  anything.
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  And
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  I'm
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  really
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  lucky
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  that
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  my
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  mentor
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  took
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  a
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  chance
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  on
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  me.
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  He
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  was
• 3:03
  head
• 3:03
  of
• 3:04
  psychiatry
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  and
• 3:06
  psychosocial
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  care,
• 3:07
  we
• 3:07
  call
• 3:08
  it.
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  So
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  Dr.
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  Gary
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  Roden
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  said,
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  okay.
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  He
• 3:11
  said,
• 3:11
  I'll
• 3:11
  take
• 3:11
  a
• 3:11
  chance
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  on
• 3:12
  you.
• 3:12
  And
• 3:12
  I
• 3:12
  did
• 3:13
  a
• 3:13
  student
• 3:13
  internship
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  for
• 3:14
  about
• 3:14
  a
• 3:14
  year
• 3:14
  and
• 3:14
  a
• 3:15
  half.
• 3:15
  So
• 3:15
  I
• 3:15
  worked
• 3:15
  there
• 3:15
  as
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  a
• 3:16
  student.
• 3:16
  And
• 3:17
  he
• 3:17
  said,
• 3:17
  you
• 3:17
  know,
• 3:18
  kind
• 3:18
  of
• 3:18
  show
• 3:18
  us
• 3:19
  what
• 3:19
  this
• 3:19
  is
• 3:19
  and
• 3:20
  then
• 3:20
  we'll
• 3:20
  take
• 3:20
  it
• 3:20
  from
• 3:21
  there.
• 3:21
  I
• 3:21
  did
• 3:21
  a
• 3:21
  research
• 3:22
  project
• 3:22
  and
• 3:22
  hung
• 3:22
  out
• 3:23
  with
• 3:23
  lots
• 3:23
  and
• 3:23
  lots
• 3:23
  of
• 3:24
  patients
• 3:24
  and
• 3:24
  families,
• 3:25
  and
• 3:25
  by
• 3:26
  the
• 3:26
  end
• 3:26
  of
• 3:26
  my
• 3:26
  time
• 3:26
  as
• 3:27
  a
• 3:27
  student,
• 3:27
  there
• 3:28
  was
• 3:28
  a
• 3:28
  high
• 3:29
  demand
• 3:29
  for
• 3:29
  the
• 3:30
  service.
• 3:30
  So
• 3:30
  then
• 3:30
  it
• 3:31
  turned
• 3:31
  into
• 3:31
  a
• 3:32
  position.
• 3:33
  Oh,
• 3:33
  wow,
• 3:35
  that's.
• 3:36
  Yeah.
• 3:36
  Can
• 3:36
  you
• 3:36
  share
• 3:36
  some
• 3:37
  kind
• 3:37
  of
• 3:37
  the
• 3:37
  research
• 3:38
  that
• 3:39
  you
• 3:39
  have
• 3:39
  done
• 3:39
  to
• 3:40
  show
• 3:40
  the
• 3:40
  effectiveness
• 3:41
  of
• 3:41
  your
• 3:41
  work?
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  Absolutely.
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  Yeah.
• 3:43
  I
• 3:44
  certainly
• 3:44
  started
• 3:45
  out
• 3:45
  researching
• 3:47
  the
• 3:48
  experience
• 3:49
  of
• 3:50
  being
• 3:51
  a
• 3:51
  recipient
• 3:52
  of
• 3:52
  music
• 3:52
  therapy
• 3:53
  while
• 3:53
  on
• 3:53
  a
• 3:53
  palliative
• 3:54
  care
• 3:54
  floor.
• 3:54
  So
• 3:55
  we
• 3:55
  have
• 3:55
  a
• 3:55
  12
• 3:56
  bed
• 3:56
  palliative
• 3:56
  care
• 3:56
  floor
• 3:56
  at
• 3:57
  Princess
• 3:57
  Margaret.
• 3:57
  And
• 3:58
  I
• 3:58
  captured
• 3:59
  people's
• 3:59
  experiences
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  through
• 4:01
  interviews
• 4:01
  and
• 4:01
  recording
• 4:02
  our
• 4:02
  sessions.
• 4:03
  And
• 4:03
  the
• 4:04
  two
• 4:04
  main
• 4:04
  themes
• 4:05
  that
• 4:05
  came
• 4:05
  out
• 4:05
  of
• 4:05
  that
• 4:06
  were
• 4:06
  comfort
• 4:06
  and
• 4:07
  connection.
• 4:07
  They
• 4:08
  felt
• 4:08
  so
• 4:08
  fundamentally
• 4:09
  comforted
• 4:10
  by
• 4:10
  having
• 4:10
  the
• 4:10
  music,
• 4:11
  it
• 4:12
  feeling
• 4:12
  really
• 4:12
  connected
• 4:13
  to
• 4:13
  this
• 4:13
  idea
• 4:14
  of
• 4:14
  lullaby,
• 4:15
  of
• 4:15
  being
• 4:16
  soothed,
• 4:16
  of
• 4:17
  being
• 4:17
  cared
• 4:17
  for
• 4:18
  without
• 4:18
  words.
• 4:18
  So
• 4:18
  when
• 4:19
  they
• 4:19
  heard
• 4:19
  music,
• 4:20
  live
• 4:20
  music
• 4:20
  especially,
• 4:21
  that's
• 4:21
  what
• 4:22
  came
• 4:22
  up.
• 4:22
  And
• 4:23
  really
• 4:23
  connecting
• 4:23
  to
• 4:24
  their.
• 4:25
  Either
• 4:25
  their
• 4:25
  identities,
• 4:26
  their
• 4:27
  family
• 4:27
  members,
• 4:28
  themselves.
• 4:28
  To
• 4:29
  me,
• 4:29
  there
• 4:29
  was
• 4:29
  a
• 4:29
  sense
• 4:30
  of
• 4:30
  really
• 4:30
  linking.
• 4:31
  And
• 4:31
  that
• 4:31
  didn't
• 4:32
  happen
• 4:32
  really
• 4:32
  with
• 4:33
  recorded
• 4:33
  music
• 4:33
  as
• 4:34
  much
• 4:34
  as
• 4:34
  it
• 4:34
  did
• 4:34
  with
• 4:34
  live
• 4:35
  music,
• 4:35
  but
• 4:35
  certainly
• 4:36
  there
• 4:36
  were
• 4:36
  elements.
• 4:37
  I
• 4:38
  recently
• 4:38
  finished
• 4:39
  my
• 4:39
  doctoral
• 4:40
  research
• 4:40
  and
• 4:40
  that
• 4:41
  was
• 4:41
  in
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  experience
• 4:42
  of
• 4:42
  music
• 4:42
  therapy
• 4:43
  during
• 4:43
  assisted
• 4:44
  dying,
• 4:45
  which
• 4:45
  we
• 4:45
  know
• 4:45
  is
• 4:46
  now
• 4:46
  legal
• 4:46
  in
• 4:47
  Canada.
• 4:48
  So
• 4:48
  that
• 4:49
  was
• 4:49
  the
• 4:49
  focus
• 4:49
  of
• 4:49
  my.
• 4:50
  The
• 4:50
  last
• 4:50
  few
• 4:50
  years.
• 4:51
  And
• 4:52
  another
• 4:52
  research
• 4:53
  project
• 4:53
  that
• 4:54
  we're
• 4:54
  working
• 4:54
  on
• 4:54
  is
• 4:55
  the
• 4:55
  experience
• 4:56
  of
• 4:56
  adolescents
• 4:57
  and
• 4:57
  young
• 4:57
  adults
• 4:58
  doing
• 4:58
  group
• 4:58
  music
• 4:59
  therapy.
• 4:59
  So
• 5:00
  that's
• 5:00
  been
• 5:00
  really
• 5:00
  cool
• 5:00
  too.
• 5:01
  Why
• 5:02
  did
• 5:02
  you,
• 5:02
  just
• 5:03
  out
• 5:03
  of
• 5:03
  curiosity,
• 5:04
  why
• 5:04
  did
• 5:04
  you
• 5:05
  decide
• 5:05
  to
• 5:05
  focus
• 5:06
  on
• 5:06
  music
• 5:07
  related
• 5:07
  to
• 5:07
  assisted
• 5:08
  dying?
• 5:10
  So,
• 5:10
  great
• 5:11
  question.
• 5:12
  When
• 5:12
  it
• 5:12
  became
• 5:13
  legal
• 5:13
  in
• 5:14
  Canada
• 5:14
  and
• 5:15
  people
• 5:15
  started
• 5:15
  requesting
• 5:16
  it
• 5:16
  at
• 5:16
  the
• 5:16
  hospital,
• 5:17
  they
• 5:17
  asked
• 5:18
  Me
• 5:18
  to
• 5:18
  be
• 5:18
  there.
• 5:19
  And
• 5:19
  it.
• 5:19
  It
• 5:20
  threw
• 5:20
  me
• 5:20
  for
• 5:20
  a
• 5:20
  loop.
• 5:20
  I
• 5:21
  didn't
• 5:21
  expect
• 5:21
  that.
• 5:22
  I
• 5:22
  don't
• 5:22
  know
• 5:22
  why
• 5:22
  I
• 5:22
  didn't
• 5:22
  expect
• 5:23
  that,
• 5:23
  but
• 5:23
  I
• 5:23
  just
• 5:23
  thought,
• 5:24
  wow,
• 5:25
  why
• 5:25
  music?
• 5:26
  Why
• 5:26
  music
• 5:26
  as
• 5:27
  part
• 5:27
  of
• 5:28
  MAID
• 5:28
  is
• 5:28
  the
• 5:28
  acronym
• 5:29
  Medical
• 5:29
  Assistance
• 5:29
  in
• 5:29
  Dying.
• 5:31
  And
• 5:31
  I
• 5:31
  kept
• 5:31
  getting
• 5:32
  asked
• 5:32
  to
• 5:33
  come
• 5:33
  to
• 5:33
  these
• 5:33
  procedures
• 5:34
  and
• 5:34
  to
• 5:34
  work
• 5:34
  with
• 5:34
  these
• 5:35
  people
• 5:35
  beforehand
• 5:36
  and
• 5:36
  to
• 5:36
  connect
• 5:37
  with
• 5:37
  their
• 5:37
  family
• 5:37
  after.
• 5:38
  And
• 5:38
  I
• 5:38
  got
• 5:39
  really
• 5:39
  curious
• 5:39
  and
• 5:40
  it
• 5:40
  really
• 5:40
  affected
• 5:41
  me
• 5:41
  being
• 5:41
  in
• 5:41
  this
• 5:41
  work.
• 5:42
  And
• 5:42
  I
• 5:42
  thought,
• 5:42
  I
• 5:43
  need
• 5:43
  to.
• 5:43
  I
• 5:43
  need
• 5:43
  to
• 5:44
  look
• 5:44
  at
• 5:44
  this
• 5:44
  from
• 5:44
  a
• 5:44
  research
• 5:45
  perspect.
• 5:45
  So
• 5:45
  I
• 5:46
  had
• 5:47
  the
• 5:47
  privilege
• 5:47
  of
• 5:48
  working
• 5:48
  with
• 5:49
  10
• 5:49
  people
• 5:51
  and
• 5:51
  10
• 5:51
  caregivers
• 5:52
  that
• 5:52
  were
• 5:52
  connected
• 5:53
  with
• 5:53
  each
• 5:53
  person.
• 5:54
  And
• 5:54
  I
• 5:54
  got
• 5:54
  to
• 5:55
  spend
• 5:55
  time
• 5:55
  with
• 5:55
  them
• 5:56
  in
• 5:56
  the
• 5:57
  weeks
• 5:57
  leading
• 5:57
  up
• 5:57
  to
• 5:57
  their
• 5:58
  procedure
• 5:58
  and
• 5:59
  then
• 5:59
  during
• 5:59
  their
• 6:00
  assisted
• 6:00
  death
• 6:00
  and
• 6:00
  then
• 6:01
  connected
• 6:01
  with
• 6:01
  their
• 6:01
  family
• 6:02
  after.
• 6:03
  So
• 6:03
  lots
• 6:03
  and
• 6:03
  lots
• 6:03
  of
• 6:04
  interviews.
• 6:05
  And
• 6:05
  I
• 6:06
  titled
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  study
• 6:07
  Exit
• 6:07
  Music.
• 6:07
  And
• 6:08
  that's
• 6:08
  been.
• 6:10
  Is
• 6:10
  that
• 6:10
  after
• 6:10
  Radiohead?
• 6:11
  It
• 6:12
  was
• 6:12
  very
• 6:12
  much
• 6:12
  inspired
• 6:13
  by
• 6:13
  Radiohead.
• 6:15
  I
• 6:15
  love
• 6:15
  that.
• 6:17
  Good
• 6:17
  call.
• 6:18
  Wow.
• 6:19
  That's
• 6:20
  fascinating.
• 6:20
  Fascinating
• 6:21
  stuff.
• 6:21
  I'm
• 6:22
  really.
• 6:23
  Yeah.
• 6:24
  I'm
• 6:24
  blown
• 6:24
  away
• 6:25
  at
• 6:25
  the
• 6:25
  connection
• 6:26
  that
• 6:26
  music
• 6:26
  has
• 6:26
  to
• 6:26
  our
• 6:27
  brains.
• 6:27
  And
• 6:28
  do
• 6:28
  you
• 6:28
  know,
• 6:29
  maybe
• 6:29
  what
• 6:30
  it
• 6:30
  is
• 6:30
  about
• 6:30
  live
• 6:31
  music
• 6:31
  that
• 6:32
  might
• 6:32
  be
• 6:32
  the.
• 6:34
  A
• 6:34
  little
• 6:34
  bit
• 6:34
  more
• 6:35
  resonating
• 6:35
  with
• 6:36
  people
• 6:36
  as
• 6:36
  opposed
• 6:37
  to
• 6:37
  recorded
• 6:37
  music.
• 6:38
  Yeah.
• 6:39
  Yeah.
• 6:40
  So
• 6:40
  I
• 6:40
  think
• 6:40
  that,
• 6:40
  you
• 6:41
  know,
• 6:41
  the
• 6:41
  connections
• 6:41
  and
• 6:41
  the
• 6:42
  associations
• 6:42
  are.
• 6:43
  They're
• 6:43
  always
• 6:44
  strong
• 6:44
  with
• 6:44
  music,
• 6:44
  but
• 6:45
  I
• 6:46
  always
• 6:47
  think
• 6:47
  that
• 6:48
  it's
• 6:49
  the
• 6:49
  reactions
• 6:49
  I
• 6:50
  can
• 6:50
  have
• 6:50
  and
• 6:50
  the
• 6:50
  adaptability
• 6:51
  of
• 6:51
  the
• 6:52
  live
• 6:52
  musician
• 6:53
  that
• 6:55
  I
• 6:56
  notice.
• 6:56
  If
• 6:56
  someone
• 6:57
  starts
• 6:57
  to
• 6:57
  cry,
• 6:57
  I
• 6:58
  slow
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  music
• 6:58
  down.
• 6:59
  If
• 6:59
  someone
• 6:59
  starts
• 6:59
  to
• 7:00
  fall
• 7:00
  asleep,
• 7:02
  I
• 7:02
  watch
• 7:03
  for
• 7:03
  reactions
• 7:04
  and
• 7:04
  I
• 7:04
  then
• 7:04
  can
• 7:05
  comment
• 7:05
  on
• 7:05
  them
• 7:06
  afterwards
• 7:06
  or
• 7:06
  gently
• 7:07
  explore
• 7:08
  them
• 7:08
  with
• 7:08
  people.
• 7:09
  I've
• 7:10
  watched
• 7:10
  loved
• 7:10
  ones
• 7:11
  literally
• 7:12
  curl
• 7:12
  up
• 7:13
  with
• 7:13
  their.
• 7:13
  With
• 7:13
  their
• 7:14
  person
• 7:14
  in
• 7:14
  their
• 7:14
  hospital
• 7:15
  bed
• 7:15
  because
• 7:15
  they
• 7:15
  hear
• 7:15
  a
• 7:16
  song
• 7:16
  that
• 7:16
  meant
• 7:16
  something
• 7:17
  to
• 7:17
  them
• 7:17
  at
• 7:17
  their
• 7:17
  wedding,
• 7:18
  and.
• 7:18
  And
• 7:19
  then
• 7:19
  they
• 7:19
  can
• 7:19
  tell
• 7:19
  me
• 7:20
  stories
• 7:20
  and
• 7:20
  then
• 7:21
  I
• 7:21
  can
• 7:21
  react
• 7:21
  to
• 7:21
  that
• 7:21
  as
• 7:22
  opposed
• 7:22
  to.
• 7:22
  The
• 7:23
  recording
• 7:23
  is
• 7:23
  so
• 7:23
  amazing
• 7:24
  and
• 7:24
  beautiful,
• 7:25
  but
• 7:25
  it
• 7:26
  won't
• 7:26
  slow
• 7:26
  down
• 7:26
  or
• 7:26
  stop
• 7:27
  or
• 7:27
  hand
• 7:27
  you
• 7:27
  a
• 7:27
  Kleenex
• 7:28
  box
• 7:28
  if
• 7:28
  you
• 7:28
  start.
• 7:31
  Yeah.
• 7:32
  That
• 7:32
  physical
• 7:32
  connection
• 7:33
  and
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  energy
• 7:34
  that's
• 7:34
  shared
• 7:35
  in
• 7:35
  the
• 7:35
  room
• 7:35
  is
• 7:35
  probably
• 7:36
  so
• 7:37
  impactful
• 7:37
  as
• 7:37
  well.
• 7:38
  Exactly.
• 7:39
  It's
• 7:39
  all
• 7:39
  about
• 7:39
  the
• 7:40
  relationship.
• 7:41
  Like
• 7:41
  with
• 7:41
  any,
• 7:42
  you
• 7:42
  know,
• 7:42
  psychiatrist,
• 7:43
  therapist,
• 7:44
  counselor,
• 7:44
  that
• 7:45
  connection
• 7:45
  you
• 7:45
  make
• 7:46
  with
• 7:46
  someone
• 7:47
  and
• 7:47
  people
• 7:47
  have
• 7:47
  to
• 7:48
  trust
• 7:48
  you
• 7:48
  in
• 7:48
  order
• 7:49
  to
• 7:49
  let
• 7:49
  you
• 7:49
  sing
• 7:50
  for
• 7:50
  them.
• 7:50
  I
• 7:50
  think
• 7:51
  when
• 7:51
  you're
• 7:51
  very
• 7:51
  vulnerable
• 7:52
  and
• 7:52
  that
• 7:52
  trust
• 7:53
  can
• 7:53
  often
• 7:54
  be
• 7:54
  very
• 7:54
  therapeutic
• 7:55
  in
• 7:55
  and
• 7:55
  of
• 7:55
  itself,
• 7:56
  that
• 7:56
  I
• 7:56
  show
• 7:56
  up
• 7:56
  even
• 7:57
  if
• 7:57
  things
• 7:58
  are
• 7:58
  crappy.
• 7:59
  And
• 8:00
  I
• 8:00
  think
• 8:00
  that's
• 8:00
  the
• 8:00
  power
• 8:00
  of
• 8:01
  the
• 8:01
  live
• 8:01
  music
• 8:01
  therapist
• 8:02
  for
• 8:03
  sure.
• 8:03
  What
• 8:04
  does
• 8:04
  your
• 8:04
  typical
• 8:05
  workday
• 8:05
  look
• 8:05
  like.
• 8:07
  Hmm.
• 8:09
  I'm
• 8:10
  often
• 8:11
  in
• 8:11
  interdisciplinary
• 8:12
  rounds
• 8:12
  in
• 8:13
  the
• 8:13
  morning,
• 8:13
  so
• 8:13
  that
• 8:13
  means
• 8:13
  our
• 8:14
  whole
• 8:14
  team
• 8:14
  meets
• 8:14
  and
• 8:15
  our
• 8:15
  whole
• 8:15
  team
• 8:15
  discusses
• 8:16
  every
• 8:16
  patient.
• 8:17
  So
• 8:17
  that
• 8:17
  happens
• 8:17
  at
• 8:17
  the
• 8:18
  hospice,
• 8:18
  that
• 8:19
  happens
• 8:19
  on
• 8:19
  palliative
• 8:20
  care,
• 8:20
  that
• 8:20
  happens
• 8:21
  in
• 8:21
  bone
• 8:21
  marrow
• 8:21
  transplant.
• 8:22
  So
• 8:22
  I
• 8:22
  try
• 8:22
  and
• 8:23
  show
• 8:23
  up
• 8:23
  to
• 8:23
  as
• 8:23
  many
• 8:24
  team
• 8:24
  meetings
• 8:25
  as
• 8:25
  I
• 8:25
  can,
• 8:26
  and
• 8:26
  then
• 8:27
  I
• 8:27
  offer
• 8:27
  my
• 8:27
  perspective
• 8:28
  from
• 8:28
  what
• 8:28
  I've
• 8:28
  seen
• 8:28
  from
• 8:29
  the
• 8:29
  patient.
• 8:29
  And
• 8:29
  I
• 8:29
  often
• 8:30
  get
• 8:30
  new
• 8:30
  referrals
• 8:31
  that
• 8:31
  way.
• 8:31
  So,
• 8:32
  you
• 8:32
  know,
• 8:33
  the
• 8:33
  physiotherapist
• 8:34
  might
• 8:34
  say,
• 8:34
  hey,
• 8:35
  Sarah
• 8:35
  Rose,
• 8:35
  like,
• 8:36
  our
• 8:36
  guy
• 8:36
  in
• 8:36
  this
• 8:37
  room
• 8:37
  is
• 8:37
  having
• 8:37
  a
• 8:37
  really
• 8:38
  hard
• 8:38
  with
• 8:38
  energy
• 8:39
  and
• 8:39
  motivation.
• 8:39
  Can
• 8:40
  you
• 8:40
  meet
• 8:40
  with
• 8:40
  them?
• 8:41
  Or
• 8:41
  hey,
• 8:41
  Sarah's.
• 8:42
  This
• 8:42
  person
• 8:42
  is
• 8:43
  close
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  end
• 8:44
  of
• 8:44
  life.
• 8:44
  They
• 8:45
  probably
• 8:45
  have
• 8:45
  a
• 8:45
  few
• 8:45
  hours
• 8:45
  left
• 8:46
  and
• 8:46
  the
• 8:46
  family
• 8:46
  wanted
• 8:47
  to
• 8:47
  have
• 8:47
  some
• 8:48
  music.
• 8:48
  Can
• 8:48
  you
• 8:48
  meet
• 8:48
  with
• 8:49
  them?
• 8:50
  So
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  kind
• 8:50
  of
• 8:50
  get.
• 8:51
  Triage
• 8:52
  is
• 8:52
  the
• 8:52
  word.
• 8:52
  I
• 8:53
  get
• 8:53
  my
• 8:53
  referrals.
• 8:53
  I
• 8:54
  think
• 8:54
  about
• 8:54
  who
• 8:54
  I'm
• 8:54
  going
• 8:54
  to
• 8:55
  see,
• 8:55
  and
• 8:55
  then
• 8:56
  I've
• 8:56
  got
• 8:56
  the
• 8:56
  day
• 8:57
  ahead
• 8:57
  of
• 8:57
  me
• 8:57
  to
• 8:58
  connect
• 8:59
  with
• 8:59
  different
• 8:59
  people
• 9:00
  and
• 9:01
  have
• 9:01
  sessions.
• 9:01
  But
• 9:01
  right
• 9:02
  now
• 9:02
  I
• 9:03
  have
• 9:03
  two
• 9:03
  graduate
• 9:04
  students
• 9:04
  working
• 9:04
  with
• 9:05
  me,
• 9:05
  which
• 9:05
  is
• 9:05
  so
• 9:05
  great.
• 9:06
  I
• 9:06
  have
• 9:06
  that
• 9:07
  once
• 9:07
  a
• 9:07
  year
• 9:07
  for
• 9:08
  a
• 9:08
  few
• 9:08
  months.
• 9:08
  And
• 9:09
  so
• 9:09
  I'm
• 9:09
  teaching
• 9:10
  a
• 9:10
  lot
• 9:10
  as
• 9:10
  well,
• 9:11
  which
• 9:11
  is
• 9:11
  really
• 9:11
  fun.
• 9:12
  Yeah.
• 9:13
  Wow.
• 9:14
  How
• 9:14
  do
• 9:14
  you
• 9:14
  prepare
• 9:14
  yourself
• 9:15
  mentally,
• 9:16
  daily
• 9:16
  or
• 9:17
  even
• 9:17
  throughout
• 9:17
  the
• 9:17
  day?
• 9:20
  This
• 9:20
  is.
• 9:20
  It
• 9:21
  always
• 9:21
  feels
• 9:21
  like
• 9:22
  the
• 9:22
  million
• 9:22
  dollar
• 9:23
  question
• 9:23
  because
• 9:25
  it
• 9:25
  can
• 9:25
  change
• 9:26
  day
• 9:26
  to
• 9:26
  day.
• 9:26
  And
• 9:27
  I
• 9:27
  feel
• 9:27
  like
• 9:27
  it's
• 9:27
  something
• 9:28
  that
• 9:28
  palliative
• 9:29
  care
• 9:29
  providers
• 9:30
  in
• 9:30
  particular,
• 9:30
  but
• 9:31
  healthcare
• 9:31
  workers
• 9:31
  in
• 9:32
  general
• 9:32
  have
• 9:32
  to
• 9:32
  ask
• 9:33
  themselves
• 9:33
  every
• 9:33
  day.
• 9:34
  And
• 9:34
  some
• 9:35
  days
• 9:35
  I'm
• 9:35
  better
• 9:35
  than
• 9:35
  others.
• 9:37
  It's
• 9:38
  certainly
• 9:39
  tough
• 9:40
  to
• 9:41
  show
• 9:41
  up
• 9:41
  to
• 9:41
  the
• 9:41
  work
• 9:42
  every
• 9:42
  day.
• 9:42
  At
• 9:43
  times,
• 9:44
  I
• 9:44
  rely
• 9:45
  really
• 9:45
  heavily
• 9:45
  on
• 9:45
  my
• 9:46
  team,
• 9:46
  like
• 9:46
  the
• 9:46
  docs
• 9:47
  and
• 9:47
  the
• 9:47
  nurses
• 9:47
  and
• 9:48
  the
• 9:48
  social
• 9:48
  workers
• 9:48
  and
• 9:49
  everyone
• 9:49
  from
• 9:50
  the
• 9:50
  housekeepers
• 9:51
  to
• 9:51
  the
• 9:52
  support
• 9:52
  staff.
• 9:53
  We
• 9:53
  all
• 9:53
  really
• 9:54
  rely
• 9:54
  on
• 9:54
  each
• 9:54
  other
• 9:55
  and
• 9:55
  check
• 9:56
  in
• 9:56
  with
• 9:56
  each
• 9:56
  other,
• 9:56
  like,
• 9:57
  how
• 9:57
  are
• 9:57
  you
• 9:57
  doing?