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I Am All In…Again: A One Liner Revenge (Season 4 E13 “Nag Hammadi is Where They Found the Gnostic Gospel”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I Am all in Again.
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  Speaker 2: I Am all in Again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast one
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  Speaker 1: eleven productions, iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcast seen Season four, episode
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  Speaker 1: the thirteen nag Hamadi is where they found the Gnostic Gospel.
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  Speaker 1: Air date February ten, two thousand and three. Synopsis. Jess
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  Speaker 1: returns with the bad attitude throws Leek completely off, while
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  Speaker 1: Lizzard introduces her new boyfriend tj Emily and Richard attended
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  Speaker 1: charity event with Jason Lorelei. Unbeknownst to them they are
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  Speaker 1: already dating. Then Jess finally confesses his true feelings to Rory.
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  Speaker 1: Directed by Chris Long, written by Amy Sherman Palladino. That
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  Speaker 1: it's the dream combination right there. We are joined by
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  Speaker 1: a very special guest, and we have Crazy Carry with
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  Speaker 1: us herself. Jill Brennan Lincoln. How you doing, Jill?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great? How are you.
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  Speaker 1: Doing all right? You played Crazy Carry Duncan, Liz's best friend.
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  Speaker 1: Jill Brennan Lincoln is back. You had we had you
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  Speaker 1: on two thousand and three. In this time, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to recap her first episode as Crazy care. Here, Here
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  Speaker 1: we go, Here we go, Okay. Laurel and Rory wake
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  Speaker 1: up to a cold house because of a broken window.
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  Speaker 1: She already called Luke to fix it. Lane is sleeping
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  Speaker 1: on the couch and still hasn't talked to her mommy.
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  Speaker 1: It's very tense. Emily calls and can't fill a table
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  Speaker 1: at a fundraiser, so she panics and tells Lorelei to
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  Speaker 1: bring people. It's her reputation at stake. She's dying. Lorelei
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  Speaker 1: and Rory attend the charity benefit. Emily asked Jason to
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  Speaker 1: sit with Laura I and pretend they are together. Yuck, yuck, yuck,
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  Speaker 1: and even joke about making out in the coat room,
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  Speaker 1: which they try to do. Floyd, Jason's dad, runs into
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  Speaker 1: Jason at this benefit, and it's a very cold exchange,
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  Speaker 1: like they are just sort of loose acquaintances. Emily and
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  Speaker 1: Richard think Floyd is up to something. They need to strategize,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Jill. This was a bit of comic relief
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  Speaker 1: as Jason and Laura I pretend they are together and
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  Speaker 1: run off to the coat room. As Jason goes along
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  Speaker 1: with the plan, Does this change your mind about him?
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  Speaker 1: In a positive way. No, Please expand on your answer, Jill.
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  Speaker 2: Uh No, he's he's you know, everybody. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: hard when you're when everybody's rooting for the two of you.
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  Speaker 2: So there was no way that he was going to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, be liked. And I you know, he was
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  Speaker 2: kind of slimy too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is that quality. I'll agree with you. There
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  Speaker 1: there is that quality. But I have fun with these two.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's fun watching these two, Yeah, it is. I
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  Speaker 1: do enjoy it. I know it's going to be witty, banter.
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  Speaker 1: I know he's going to he's going to give as
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  Speaker 1: good as he gets, and it's going to be something
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  Speaker 1: zany and unexpected. And what I didn't expect and what
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  Speaker 1: I forgot about is this relationship with his own dad.
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  Speaker 1: And isn't that just so It makes me feel for
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  Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, so so tragic.
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  Speaker 2: It is tragic that.
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  Speaker 1: Your dad, you and your dad are so distant. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just so formal and stuffy and pretentious and
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  Speaker 1: stupid and what a waste of a relationship. I want
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  Speaker 1: to know more about that relationship. It's intriguing to me.
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  Speaker 1: I really really want to know more about it. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: it is what it is. What do you think about Emily?
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Emily so freaked out in your life?
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  Speaker 2: She was so funny, She was so great, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I love ed Herman. You know, he's always you know
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  Speaker 2: what's so funny is I actually did a show on
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  Speaker 2: Broadway with him and he was so like the smartest
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  Speaker 2: guy in the room, right, like the smartest. He was
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  Speaker 2: just hysterical in the show. And so to see him
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  Speaker 2: be kind of, you know, always just trying to keep
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  Speaker 2: her happy, I love it. Yeah, she was really on
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  Speaker 2: fire about this for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's her. That's her reputation at stake. Yeah, absolutely
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  Speaker 1: something she'll fight for more than anything.
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  Speaker 2: And she was hysterical at that table, like everybody had
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  Speaker 2: to move around and to try to make it look
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  Speaker 2: more full, and you know, and she doesn't even care.
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  Speaker 2: She would have taken somebody off the street to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that table was full for her her charity event recruiting.
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  Speaker 1: And those those two girls that were sitting there, she.
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  Speaker 2: Just they just were like, you know, dirt.
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  Speaker 1: Contributing nothing, act like you're people please. Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 1: really funny. All right, Jess is back in town, so
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  Speaker 1: is Liz. Liz this. This draws Luke into the fold
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  Speaker 1: here a little bit, right, We're not we're not used
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  Speaker 1: to seeing Luke in so much of an episode, but
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  Speaker 1: he's in. He's in a lot of this. Jess is
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  Speaker 1: still in town trying to get his car fixed by Gypsy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's given her the business, so he's roaming around, accidentally
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  Speaker 1: runs into Rory. Just about everywhere Rory goes, there's Jess.
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  Speaker 1: He's in the library, He's at Western's, he's here, he's there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he runs away each time, accidentally running Yeah, in tim
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  Speaker 1: all of the place. And then Liz meets up with
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  Speaker 1: her friend you Carrie, Jill, you supposedly made out with
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  Speaker 1: Luke under the bleaches in high school, and she hits
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  Speaker 1: on him and calls calls him, butch Liz brought her
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  Speaker 1: earrings to be sold at the diner, and Luke does
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  Speaker 1: not like that idea. What is Luke? Why does Luke
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  Speaker 1: not like that?
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  Speaker 2: Because he thinks that, Remember he thinks the diner is
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  Speaker 2: for food. And I think also Liz has these like well,
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  Speaker 2: it was so fun to rewatch the episode. I think
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  Speaker 2: that she apparently has these grandiose ideas of like trying
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  Speaker 2: new things and then falls apart when they don't work.
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  Speaker 2: So I think Luke is probably already in the midst
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  Speaker 2: with several problems with Jesse. The last thing he needs
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  Speaker 2: is Liz falling apart over her earrings not being bought
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  Speaker 2: in the diner.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe he's preventing also her putting down her anchor
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  Speaker 1: in Stars Hollow. Oh, I would think, yeah, he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want her there right.
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  Speaker 2: Taking his food?
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  Speaker 1: Everything right, right, right, right? But this book.
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  Speaker 2: Danes I forgot Butch Janes was that? Why did you
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  Speaker 2: change your name? That's my fun like question. I love
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  Speaker 2: Amy and Dan, they're so amazing, But we called you
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  Speaker 2: Butch Danes all through high school and we call you
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  Speaker 2: that at the reunion too. Well, maybe it's just a nickname, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: maybe that was like a really hot person or something,
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  Speaker 2: and the girls came up with Butch Danes, that's who
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be. But yeah, you deny the whole
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  Speaker 2: under the bleachers moment and all.
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  Speaker 1: Of that, right, I mean that's the question, did it
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  Speaker 1: or didn't happen? Did it happen or not?
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  Speaker 2: Oh it happened or died it happen? You're just completely
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  Speaker 2: ashamed by it?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Laurel, I means Liz, finally thinking it's me in
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  Speaker 1: the truck when it's Liz in the truck. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: she mistakes Laura I for his wife Nicole. Liz talks
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  Speaker 1: highly about Luke, calls him her hero. She's thinking of
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  Speaker 1: moving back to Stars Hollow, And then after Luke and
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  Speaker 1: just me TJ, Jess gets into a fight with Luke
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  Speaker 1: and tells him the exact opposite. He doesn't need to
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  Speaker 1: fix everything. Luke is visibly hurt from what he said.
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  Speaker 1: Well that Jess. He's a little pisser, isn't he. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: He's really not a nice kid, is he.
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  Speaker 2: I think he has a few he has a few
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  Speaker 2: things to overcome.
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  Speaker 1: He is a couple of things. Yeah, boy, because that
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  Speaker 1: was a That was a deadly deadly scene.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was for Luke.
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  Speaker 1: It was like wow, But I thought a very funny scene.
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  Speaker 2: It was really great scene. I loved it and I
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  Speaker 2: was one of the I love that scene in that episode.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that The great writing just comes forefront? And I'm
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  Speaker 1: watching that scene. I forgot got about that scene and
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  Speaker 1: I don't like watching myself. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: actors do not. They just cringe when they see themselves.
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  Speaker 1: But I did not cringe. I thought, Man, I felt
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  Speaker 1: really lucky that I got to do that dialogue, that
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  Speaker 1: I got to be in that scene and say those
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  Speaker 1: words because I knew exactly what to do with them,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: No, they were just terrific writers. And the characters they
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  Speaker 2: brought on there were just always whether they were a
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  Speaker 2: cameo or they were the leads, they were always detailed.
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  Speaker 2: They always were there for a purpose. They were always
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  Speaker 2: had this thing, this hook that everyone could get into
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  Speaker 2: and figure out the character they were really and that
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  Speaker 2: was a great scene. And people really cared about Jesse
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  Speaker 2: and they really cared about Luke, and they cared about
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  Speaker 2: that relationship. Right, So that's good writing. Hard to do
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  Speaker 2: that in a short period of time on TV.
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  Speaker 1: Right. My manager last night and I said, do I
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  Speaker 1: have an acting reel because this one should be on it?
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  Speaker 1: And I gave him the scene it should be.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very good thing.
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  Speaker 1: I said, put this on there because this is a
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  Speaker 1: that is a great scene.
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  Speaker 2: You were great in that scene.
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  Speaker 1: Milo was great in that scene. I mean it's like
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  Speaker 1: it's like but it's the writing. It's like you can't
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  Speaker 1: everything came together in that scene. The lighting, the editing,
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  Speaker 1: the acting, the writing, most of all beautiful, just beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: D you know, Before I started my scene, Kathleen, who
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  Speaker 2: was playing Liz, came up to me, right and she
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  Speaker 2: was like, Jill, I just I need you to know
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  Speaker 2: some they talk fast here. They talk really fast. You've
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  Speaker 2: got to talk fast. And I loved it. I remember thinking,
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  Speaker 2: oh wow, And I remember looking back on her, I
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  Speaker 2: remembering her saying that, and it was really it was
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  Speaker 2: really Gilmore Girls and West Wing that moved this quick. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But one of the things I always struck me when
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  Speaker 2: I watched the show or come shoot is how many
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  Speaker 2: people actually came from theater that were used to that
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  Speaker 2: kind of pace, and then how many people were actually
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  Speaker 2: from film. And I mean I ended up, you know,
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  Speaker 2: hanging out with Kathleen a little bit after this. I
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  Speaker 2: loved her, but she really, if I'm not mistaken remembering
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  Speaker 2: looking at her career, she really came from more film.
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  Speaker 2: So I remember just thinking like, you're going to get
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  Speaker 2: on this train and it's going to go and you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna have to be ready. And that's really what I
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  Speaker 2: always loved about coming on this set, was I had
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  Speaker 2: worked on Mani sets, and I didn't feel like people
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  Speaker 2: when they showed up for Gilmore Girls were ready to work,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like they were there was no messing around with the actors.
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  Speaker 2: Were ready to do their job. And I'd never seen
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  Speaker 2: a line supervisor work harder than Gilmore Girls. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: West Wing in terms of like getting the lines right,
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  Speaker 2: making sure the contact, the context to what was going
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  Speaker 2: on was happening. It was. It was a great show.
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  Speaker 2: They were great writers. And you were in that scene.
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  Speaker 1: Well thanks, Yeah, very powerful scene, very powerful storytelling. All right,
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  Speaker 1: Luke comes over to laurel Ize to fix her window. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but he's drunk, I.
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  Speaker 2: Know, That's what was like and funny drunk.
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  Speaker 1: He's drunk and he cuts himself and events about what
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  Speaker 1: Jess said to him. Yeah, but he's a fixer and
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  Speaker 1: that nobody wants him around fixing to mind my own business.
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  Speaker 1: Laurel I comfort Zone goes to Jess, gives him the
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  Speaker 1: business for what he said to Luke, And I've never
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  Speaker 1: liked Laurel I more. You know, that's what you do.
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  Speaker 1: You stand up for your your friends, right, you stand
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  Speaker 1: up for your man, You stand up for your friends.
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  Speaker 1: All right, now we're at the Firelight Festival. Liz apologizes
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  Speaker 1: about Jess and thanks him Luke that is, for everything
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  Speaker 1: he did. Luke talks to TJ and says everything's okay,
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  Speaker 1: and then the famous line comes. It's like you think,
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  Speaker 1: you think Luke was being a little a little judgie
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  Speaker 1: with TJ and a little condescending and dismissive. And then
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  Speaker 1: and then t J gets his revenge with one line, you're.
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  Speaker 2: H I love that. God was a great scene too,
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  Speaker 2: that was great.
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  Speaker 1: That's hysterical. And then Luke gives Lorelei a pair of
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  Speaker 1: earrings that Liz made, the turquoise one, and it was
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  Speaker 1: just like it was kind of like a half friendship
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  Speaker 1: thing and a sort of half romantic vibe, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like they they walked
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  Speaker 1: that line the right. The writing walks the line really
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  Speaker 1: really well with that kind of thing. All right, So
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  Speaker 1: Rory and just see each other at the food cart
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  Speaker 1: and she runs away and this is this is actually
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  Speaker 1: really funny. I get to leave first. This is my talent.
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  Speaker 1: She gets. She's tired of this guy taken off every
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  Speaker 1: time they see each other, so now she wants to
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  Speaker 1: be the one to leave first, and she demands an
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  Speaker 1: explanation and she hasn't seen him in a while, and
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  Speaker 1: you left me and why are you here? And then
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  Speaker 1: when he drops the love bomb on her, it's like whoa.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She just stands there stunned and said, all right, So
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  Speaker 1: all right, here's some here's some thoughts starters. We get
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  Speaker 1: two opposite takes on Luke's character. Jess thinks Luke's fixing
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  Speaker 1: things is a negative trait, where Liz sees him as
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  Speaker 1: a hero for doing that. There is so much depth
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  Speaker 1: to Luke in this episode. What are your thoughts on
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  Speaker 1: this particular family dynamic?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I thought that, I thought again, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's rich writing. I thought this whole episode really showed
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  Speaker 2: that the brother and the father that Luke was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the domestic side that Luke was becoming by taking care
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  Speaker 2: of his family. And I think it deepened, which is
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  Speaker 2: good writing always. It deepened not only the audience caring
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  Speaker 2: more for him, but also lore Lies seeing that, and
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was really really needed. But even the
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  Speaker 2: scene where he really lets just have it, I thought
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  Speaker 2: that that that's what a father would do, so it
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  Speaker 2: really he's stepping in he always steps in begrudgingly. That's
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  Speaker 2: what was such a good character and you did such
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  Speaker 2: a great job. But he's stepping in fuller in this episode,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, really stepping up. And Ed loved getting
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  Speaker 2: to know more about him through Liz, your sister, and
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  Speaker 2: how how codependent she's been on you, and it just
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  Speaker 2: was we got to know a lot about Luke in
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  Speaker 2: this episode. I thought, all right, just.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't terribly likable in this episode. But then he drops
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  Speaker 1: that I love you on Rory at the end and
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  Speaker 1: just leaves. How did that make you feel?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think one of the streams that
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  Speaker 2: the scenes that struck me was when Liz was talking
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  Speaker 2: to Lorlai, and that's another great acting choice by her
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  Speaker 2: and also by the writing was Lorlai didn't throw Jess
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  Speaker 2: under it. She didn't know that she was Rory's mother,
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  Speaker 2: you know, she didn't understand that relationship. And so just
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  Speaker 2: that idea that Laura Lai is upset that somebody's hurting
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  Speaker 2: her daughter that way, but she never really throws him
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  Speaker 2: under the bus. She finds a way to stay in
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  Speaker 2: a middle ground by still supporting her daughter and not
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  Speaker 2: trashing this young man. And I think I felt sorry
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  Speaker 2: for him. I mean, you know, I've seen enough movies
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  Speaker 2: and seen enough plays and that you really look at
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  Speaker 2: him and you think, oh, this kid has really had
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  Speaker 2: a rough time. What's his story? Why does he keep
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  Speaker 2: making this choice? It's not helping him? And then I
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  Speaker 2: think You're the only one who could really penetrate your
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  Speaker 2: character in talking to him directly about it. So it
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  Speaker 2: was a pretty deep episode in that regard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really was. It really struck a chord. I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of people go through this in their families.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of lizes in families. There's
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  Speaker 1: justice in families.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: You know a lot of people go through this kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff. Very relatable, very deep, very impactful. So what
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  Speaker 1: do I remember about getting a script like this? Emotional scenes,
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  Speaker 1: character development? You know, I've lived all this stuff. If
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to interview myself here, I've lived every bit
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  Speaker 1: of this. I've been Jess. I had a Liz in
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  Speaker 1: my life. I know about this stuff. I lived it,
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  Speaker 1: I grew up with it. I was it. So there
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  Speaker 1: was no real research that I had to do. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have to ask anybody any questions. It just I
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  Speaker 1: knew it. This is familiar territory for me.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what's so great about what we do when
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  Speaker 2: we do it, when we're storytellers, as you use what
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  Speaker 2: you have and the bad that has happened to you,
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  Speaker 2: it turns into good when you could use it to
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  Speaker 2: tell a story to impact other people. So I think
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  Speaker 2: that's really cool. We're getting deep.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it really is. I mean, look it.
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  Speaker 1: It sort of shifts the focus away from Lorelei and
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  Speaker 1: her relationship with with with her family, you know, Richard Emley,
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  Speaker 1: and it really focuses in on Luke and his family.
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  Speaker 1: So we're getting we're getting you know, we're getting a
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  Speaker 1: little time to delve into Luke's background. Have you ever
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  Speaker 1: known Jill this type of guy that Luke is portraying.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, of course, I think I dated many of them,
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  Speaker 2: and when I was younger, you know, I did. I I,
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  Speaker 2: especially in New York, dated a guy from New Jersey.
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  Speaker 2: Reminded me a lot of him. And you know that
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  Speaker 2: this person that is got a lot of walls up,
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  Speaker 2: but underneath they're really a teddy bear that ends up
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  Speaker 2: doing the right thing for everybody, but would prefer to
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  Speaker 2: not have to put themselves in vulnerable positions, but when
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  Speaker 2: the time comes, they they're there for their family and
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: they're there for people that they authentically care about in
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: their community.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I have What do you think about Jessic's
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: chances here?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I think it's good writing because it doesn't
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: look good in this episode, right. He's not making good choices.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: He's running, he's hiding, he's not dealing with what he
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: needs to deal with, and he's angry about it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, let me ask you the perennial question that
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: is being asked now and for the last several years,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and people always ask me what team I'm on in
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: terms of Rory's boyfriends Jeff, I know, Wow or Dean.
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  Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? Where do you fall?
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely it's more exciting. I always have been in
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: this show. I just thought he was her first real love,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: and for me, the romantic part of their relationship from
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the beginning to the middle of the end was really
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: exciting to watch and really engaging. So I mean, you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: I really was always team jess Plus, he was super
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: cute and he had that bad boy quality and that's
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: a lot that's fun.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to look at it. And I have a
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: very practical answer for this question that I will share.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that those two sort of reflect each
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: other's wounds, psychological wounds, perhaps on a deeper level than
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: diner logan. But oh, okay, I don't know if it's
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the healthiest. I don't know that they're really in love.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't I don't know that
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: what they're responding two in each of them is love
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: with the other person or or is it a recognition
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: of a wound that they both share from their childhood
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that has to do with hers with Christopher or her father,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and him with obviously his father.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: And you know, that makes a lot of sense. I
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: think that's a great idea. I love that. I think
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: maybe what I was responding to, which I think it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: a huge part of young romance, is I just felt
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: like the chemistry between them and the attraction was stronger. Right,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm attracting. And it's probably because of what
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: you said.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's just because of the wound. It's not
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: falling in love that has to represent safety for you, Right,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: it's a different if it's it's a different chemical right.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if these if these two I'm trying
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: to figure out if these two are just sort of,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: you know, giving each other dopamine hits as opposed to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: like real, real pair bonding.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Well, that's young love, right. Would they have made it
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: in their thirties and forties? I don't know, right, Yeah,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's a good point.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Right, because I always say Logan. And the reason I
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: answer Logan is, you know, he's to the manner born,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: she's to the manner born sort of. I think intellectually, yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: he was her equal. I think that he is more
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: mature than the other two. I think he also has
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: his issues with his own father, but they are not insurmountable,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and he is strong enough and smart enough to sort
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: of get self help and also get the therapy. I
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: think that he might need, right to overcome this. I
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: just think he's more of a man at a young age,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: more of a potentially good man at a young age,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: than the other two. And I also think, and this
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: is a cynical part of me, that ten years into
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: their marriage, let's say it's Logan and Rory, and it's
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Logan's child, and they have a second child and they're
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: ten years in to a marriage. I'm thinking, who's less
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: likely to cheat? Who's more likely to cheat?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: For sure, Jess is it Jess? Is it Dean? Dean
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: is it Logan? And I fall on it's either two
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: thirds of these guys are gonna cheat or they're all
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: gonna cheat. And now we have to talk about divorce
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and where she's going to get the best settlement. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I know that's very cynical, but she's going to get
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars a divorce settlement from Logan,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: and maybe some of that money trickles back into Luke
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and Laurel. I maybe I can get a boat, Laura,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I can get a better in whatever. But then O
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Rory also gets some kind of revenge, a measure of
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: revenge against Mitchem Huntsberger, who you know, pretty much pillar
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to Post destroyed her ego regarding her career in journalism.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: So she didn't have it, you know, she just doesn't
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: have what it takes this kind of thing. Maybe he
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: was right, if something like that is going to crush
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: a person, then they maybe they weren't meant for it anyway.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: But I almost disagree with that because a lot of
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: people that are highly sensitive, highly gifted, highly talented can
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: easily get crushed by, especially like a wrecking ball that
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Mitcham hunsker Burger was to her. I mean he delivered
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: that with a crush crushing blow after crush blow. I mean,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: there's there's a way to say something like that, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: he you know, he just went for the jugular. Yeah,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: So anyway, she gets a revenge. Plus, I also think
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: in the lore of in the lore of the storytelling,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you can continue this piece with a kind of a
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Gilmore Hunsburger children. As they grow the does the DNA
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: force them into stars hollow like situations? So the storytelling
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: continue to a new generation of people, you know, the
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: children of Rory and Logan. Will they grow up and
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: rebel the way Laura like, you know what I mean?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Is it just in their DNA? So I think that
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: for me is the best choice. And that's my answer,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm sticking to it.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. I'm sticking to Jess.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, like you I do.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I think, I don't know. I think there's also a
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: counter argument that opposites attract and they can be good
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: for each other, right they opposite way of viewing life.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: And I don't know. I think maybe Jess might settle
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: down and be more like Luke as he gets older
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: and want to be in a consistent place and not
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: need as much pressure on himself to make a living
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: and meet all the needs and be happy in a
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: smaller town. It could happen, So that might work.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: There was a part of me that's rooting for Jess
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and that I do see him eventually getting it together
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and you know, teaching English at a community college or
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: a small college somewhere in the Northeast and being settled
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, no figuring it out.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's pretty young if you first see him.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Right, I think he's self aware enough to with that
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: boats well for his future, you know, na contemplations and yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: you know, knowing that he needs to get help and
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: knowing that, you know, and he's probably smart enough to
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: figure it out all on his own. But it was
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: always nice to seek help, right, and a sign of
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: real strength. Actually, Dean, how do you think that one
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: turns out that that marriage to.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I think I agree with you that I'd feel more
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: in the Logan route. The Dean just not. I don't
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: go there with the Dan right right, Yeah, not much
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: for me, just that I don't think that there was
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: talk about somebody I think would cheat mm hmmm. And
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I think we'd have the biggest problem regarding the manner
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: and all of that. In some ways, I don't. I
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: just don't. I don't see it. So that's me all right.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Well, our time is drawing, nigh uh jil. Thanks for
• 29:01
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• 29:06
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