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- Eve: Welcome to the Project Emerald Collective. I'm your host, Eve McIntyre. Every week I sit down with women who have chosen to live differently. Designers, founders, creatives, psychologists, adventurers and change makers. People asking bigger questions about how we live, work, create and connect. These conversations aren't really about fashion. They're about living with intention. finding the courage to be yourself and discovering what becomes possible when you stop living by expectation and start living by choice. If that's the kind of life you're creating too, you're in the right place. Now let's go. thank you for joining me this morning. I have the pleasure of interviewing Leah Klein, who is the founder of Systalable Label. Leah and I are both doing the Circular Fashion Festival Incubator currently, ahead of the Circular Fashion Festival that's happening in Perth this October. So welcome Leah. Lea Klein: Hi, thanks so much for having me. Eve: it's great for you to be able to share your story with our audience. So we'll jump right into it. Leah, what does living intentionally mean to you? Lea Klein: Wow, we're going straight in there. Eve: Yes. Lea Klein: it's probably not so much about fashion for me, living intentionally. It's really kind of trying to what I teach my son to be in the moment and be kind and be mindful of what you're doing and when you do it and how you do it. And try to find your purpose. Find your purpose in life that gets you up in the morning, that makes you happy, and then try to live this happiness. Eve: Yeah, absolutely. I agree. And it's so important to bring our children along for that journey as well. Lea Klein: That's how we almost learn the most through them. We think we figured it all Eve: I agree. Lea Klein: out and then they ask us questions and all of a sudden we're like, wow, okay, yes, I need to think about that one. Eve: Yes, they have a superpower of mirroring back to you, I've found. Lea Klein: Absolutely. Eve: the three hats that you wear at the moment. Lea Klein: Wow, okay. Like in general, like my mum head, my business head and those kind of yeah. Eve: Yeah, yes, because you're so much like yes, you are the founder of Systylable Label, but Lea Klein: Mm-hmm. Eve: this podcast is more about, the woman that you are and the Lea Klein: Yeah, for Eve: moments that have shaped your life to get you to this point. Lea Klein: Hmm. Yes. It's yeah, wow. I think I started my journey of really getting to know myself when I had my child. and from then on it it's kinda like, okay, I'm trying to be the best mom I can be, but to be the best mum I can be, I realised, wow, I I actually had work to do within myself. and I had to all of a sudden figure out how to be a good mum, how to be a good person. And for me, like I feel like we're we're carrying a lot of intergenerational trauma handed down to us by our parents. Thanks mom and dad and just there was there was no awareness about it and and now you have a child on your own and you're like, wow, this is what you did to me. I would never do this to my child and so you you you're trying to navigate parenting while figuring yourself out and then while starting a business and you kind of write in there and try to do your best. Eve: Yeah, absolutely. It's such a juggling act. Lea Klein: Hm. Eve: tell us about your personal journey and what led you to create So Stylable the Label? Lea Klein: I'm a stage and costume designer by trade. yeah. I was always interested in fashion, but the competitive side of it was too much for me. I'm not a very competitive person. I'm always kinda trying to make other people reach their goals before I kinda look at myself. I was also looking at architecture back in the days and it I wasn't patient enough to kind of wait this. long time to see a project come to life. So stage and costume design was the perfect middle ground for both worlds. I could design fashion without any competition. I didn't have to invent something new all the time. I could even go back in time. And there was no shame about it. and sets would come to life within a week. and it was just amazing to kind of To constantly be challenged creatively over and over again. and I love it, you kind of see the other side to it when the project is finished. Now, what are we gonna do with all these elements, with all these costumes, with all these clothing, with all the props, with all the sets? And working for theatre and especially in the Department of Education, which I've done for the last 12 years, For insurance purposes, lots of these sets were just end up in the bin. And it was heartbreaking. And we just couldn't sell them on, we couldn't borrow them on. And it was just like, okay, I need to I need to rethink what I'm doing here. I started a business in between sustainable event styling, and it was all about celebrating the big moments in life, weddings, birthdays, baby showers, but without leaving any trace on earth. So all my products were second hand sourced. and COVID happened, I guess, to everybody, different ways, and I realized it wasn't kind of sustainable for myself and my family being doing it all on my own, carrying heavy equipment all day, every day, long hours, and I kind of went away from the relying on second hand materials and I wanted to create something that I don't rely on. other people, other industries and other yeah, even like life events, politics and that's kind of how I invented sustable label to kinda I could do all my own patterns. I found a local printer here in Perth that prints all my designs on organic cotton And the best thing is you can actually design your own. Because the the point is if you invest this money into a garment that supposed to last you a lifetime, it would be great if you could design it yourself. If you can really make sure the sleeve lengths that you've chosen suits your arms, suits your body shape, and you know you you don't always wonder, if the dress was only Five centimeter longer, I would wear it more often. Or if the sleeves would only be shorter or longer. So with this styleable label, you can design your own. So I hope that's where we kind of found our our little niche Eve: So tell us how the business works. Lea Klein: So I normally dress from my earrings down. I find a pair of earrings that I love the on the day and then I'm kinda ooh, okay, what goes with stripes? Why not polka dots? And then I'm kind of dressing down. So I'm kinda like a totally mix, mix match, From head to toe, it kind of all has to kind of fit together. But that's just me. and once you go on our website, you can you can find a pattern you like, you can find a style that you like, and you can kind of really dive into from headbands that are all made out of odd off cuts, from earrings, different style of earrings in the same pattern. You can design your own dress, you can get a blouse, you can get a skirt, you can get a shirt for your for your husband if you want to go all matchy matchy. Eve: Mm-hmm. Lea Klein: and we we even do kids' clothing. So we also have accessories, we do handbags, most of them can be turned inside out. so you can go, you know, easy on the colour, and you have like a monochrome, either a black. polka dots, stripes or a navy blue, but then when you turn it inside out, it it really does a pop of colour. and you can you can go as wild or as as you can kinda dress down or up as you want. And we're trying to do not just a one piece item, we're really trying to create an as versatile and and as changeable Items that really kind of fits everything, fits everybody in a sense of I was only thinking of a small handbag, but what if I quickly need to go shopping? Well, how about you extend the handbag and then have a little tote bag that fits all your shopping? And so yeah, a lot of thought went into the perfect little handbag, but I think we found it. And yeah. Eve: That's so cool. So therefore women can come to you and choose exactly what they like, is that right? Lea Klein: Yes, so we have different options. So once you go on the website and you you pick the pattern that you like, so it obviously it starts with a pattern. You have to fall in love with the pattern or you're not gonna wear the item. If it's choose your pattern and then decide okay, am I a dress girl or am I more wearing blouses for work? do I like short sleeves? Do I like my arms the way they are? Do I like short sleeves? Can I do a little flatter sleeve? Or would I prefer it long? Because I'm in an office, the aircon is on all day, and then the same for the dress length. Am I going short? Am I going three-quarter length? Am I going full length? Or am I adding layers to it? So everything is customizable and we just make people aware. That we are a slow fashion business and that it takes roughly three to four weeks to make this garment. From the moment you choose your pattern and you say, This is what I want, for me to jump on my computer, to send the design to the printer, for the printer to book me in, and then for the pattern to arrive on my doorstep, for then you know it getting Cut into shape and sewn together. yeah, you just need to be aware we are a slow fashion business and this is what we want. We don't want fast fashion. We want to get away with from it, and we want to make people aware this is actually how long it would take you, if you would start making this dress, for you to make it. Eve: And do you have sewing classes as well that you offer Lea Klein: we do as a different project. I started with a friend who's also a an ambassador for sustainability of all sorts of waste and we went we we dived into fabric waste and how bad it is and we are now teaching people we we're teaching the senior centre, we're teaching the youth centre. we've just done a project with the the circular fashion festival that we were in the middle of Perth every Thursday and we we taught people how to repair their clothes, how to look after their clothes and how to give them a second chance. it's easy. It's easy. You just need to kind of take the fear away from the sewing machine and I'll I've been teaching sewing lessons for a long time and it's amazing. And people go away, walk away with they're so happy that they don't have to get rid of their favorite item that they actually can give it a second chance. And yeah, that's that's kind of where the whole circular fashion really makes sense to me. Eve: Yeah. Yeah, I guess that would feel empowering for women as well to Lea Klein: Mm-hmm. Eve: learn that new skill and to be able to, make a difference to fashion waste, but also Lea Klein: Mm-hmm. Eve: be able to hang on to those items that they really love. what about the woman that Lea Klein: Come on. Eve: really l likes the concept but hasn't actually ever questioned what style suits her or, what length she really likes or, arm length or dress length or pant length. where does she start? Lea Klein: Mm, yeah, good question. Hazel, for example, Hazel Law has a business where she is curating your wardrobe for you and helping you find confidence in what you already have and how to wear it and how to combine things with each other. And it's not about buying more, it's about buying less, but making the most of what you have already. And Hazel, for example, is a great person to ask about what actually suits me. What can I wear and how can I wear it? I'm designing dresses for for women that maybe are not the most confident in their body. So I've taken a lot of time to kind of design a shape that is not hundred percent fitted to a body shape. And we we also we're doing sizes in between. So it's an it's an SM, it's an ML and it's an LXL. So the cut of the dress is so flattering that you don't have to be there is no perfect size. There's only perfect clothing that fits you. and the dresses that I make are designed to fit to make you feel confident and make you feel seen and beautiful without fitting without being a hundred percent fitted dress if that makes sense. Eve: So clothing that actually feels comfortable and it's not Lea Klein: Mm-hmm. Eve: a rigid sizing. Lea Klein: Yes, absolutely. But feeling feminine and feeling gorgeous. Eve: absolutely. And do your dresses have pockets, interestingly? Lea Klein: Yes. it was so cute to see that we just recently had a photo shoot where we had to kinda wait our turn and all the models were dressed already where they were all sitting in in hair and makeup and then they were standing around and I looked at them and it was so cute to see all of them started putting their hands in the pockets. And I was like, This is so good because this is actually what you end up doing I'm really glad we do you can even design your own pockets. You can do hidden pockets, you can have a pocket on top, you can have one, you can have two. so all the options are out there for really make it your dress, for making it a garment that you would wear every day. And I had a customer the other day that said, I need pockets, I'm a teacher and I need deep pockets, I need to put a lot of things in my pocket all day Eve: Yeah. Lea Klein: long. Eve: Absolutely. dresses without pockets are really annoying actually. Lea Klein: Yeah. Eve: so tell us about where your fashion journey began. Lea Klein: Wow, okay. it probably began when I was six years old and I made my first Barbie dress. growing up with a single mom in East Germany wasn't something where we could just go and buy new things easily. they were hand-me-down toys that then I had to look after and I had to kind of make work. So mom taught me how to make tidy little Barbie dresses. and I guess that's where we started. And from then if I can make a dress for my Barbie, can I make a dress for myself? And yeah it was always really looking after the stuff you had rather than buying new. Which we also couldn't have afforded even if there was availability out there. it began really, really early and it never changed. I never questioned what I wanted to be or what I needed to be. It needed to be something creative. There was no doubt about it. And if you ask anybody in my family, they would say, Yeah, Leah, yeah, had to be, had to be. Some form of a creative thing. Eve: Yeah, I love that. so you've explored fashion and then you've gone into architecture and then stage and costume design. What kept pulling you back towards that creative work? Lea Klein: I guess for me it's like breathing. I just that's how my brain works. My brain works in colours, in shapes. I'm terrible with numbers, I'm terrible with names. that's just how I see the world. that's just who I am. I need to be expressing myself. And maybe because I'm such an introvert externally, I need to find my outlet to to kind of yeah, express myself and what's going on in my head. And if you look around my house, I like things organized. It's not that I'm this mad painter who throws the colours around. I'm kind of very methodical about it and but it just needs to come out. It it can't be suppressed at all. I'm not a nine to five girl that works in an office. I tried, I failed, I wasn't happy, I didn't want to get up and even even as a student I was working in an opera house and we all had to wear a uniform. a white blouse a black blouser on top, a jacket and with polsters in the shoulders and a skirt. But because I'm so short, it I just looked awful. So I started taking the polsters out and I started making the jacket fit and I shortened the skirt. So all of a sudden I was wearing this uniform that nobody liked, but I was wearing it proudly. And I was walking around in the brakes from door to door and I felt good. And yeah, this is kind of what fashion is for me. Just feeling good in it. No matter how expensive, no matter where it's from, it's just does it make you feel good? Then go for it. I know if I had a very expensive item in my wardrobe I probably wouldn't wear it because I would be so scared of breaking it or making it dirty. And and so what's the point? I wear clothes where I can, you know, be on the ground with my son, where I quickly can play soccer in if I have to And I don't want clothes to kind of make you feel like you're wearing a costume either. you should feel confident in going out in the same clothing that you go into the supermarket, that you pick up your son, but that you potentially also could go to the theater later. these kind of items I would like to create for people. Eve: I love that. I love that you kept coming back to yourself and it just feels like you keep evolving and keep uncovering like what you who you are and living in that truth, which feel like that's coming through in your designs as well. And what made you realize that you were living a life that wasn't in alignment, like when you were working in an office and studying architecture Lea Klein: Not too sure. It's probably just who I am that I don't even think about it. So my husband, for example, in the family is the accountant. He's the numbers guy, he's the organizer, he looks, you know, after what we need and and I'm more kind of the behind the scenes, I'm the the carer, I'm the supporter, while everybody has their roles in in their little family structure, it's it's always clear that I need to express myself through sitting on the sewing machine, trying to make something new, fix something, That you know, my my son, for example, he cannot wear long pants for some reason. So I keep ending up finding these long pants in the op shop that I then all have to chop up and turn into shorts so this boy can actually wear something going to school. Eve: Yeah. Lea Klein: And it's just it's it's a constant little yeah, in involving sustainable workshop happening out here. And when I started my sustainable event styling business, I loved the creative side of it. I loved setting it up, I loved having photo shoots, I loved the collaborations with other artists that we were sharing little events, but breaking it down it you ended up being this furniture removalist on my own during COVID that was carrying heavy tables and chairs into venues, out of venues, back in the trailer, back into the shed, and it was just not sustainable for my body or my family. and my husband had to jump in and he was tired after work and it was pity because the idea was so good. The idea was so important, but I almost felt like Perth wasn't ready five years ago. Eve: Yeah. Lea Klein: Perth wasn't quite there yet to kinda go away from the white wedding. Everything had to be white and and everything had to be bought brand new and everybody had to just go into the big K shop and and and buy all the white. and then I was I was the one trying to buy all these items off marketplace that they were then selling after the one day of they needed a big wedding with hundred white tablecloths and napkins and and candlesticks that then they would never use again. So I would end up buying them all off marketplace to kind of tell people, look you don't have to buy new, you can hire it from me and Eve: Mm. Lea Klein: You know, it's maybe the style you want. I'll give you five different options. I had various different color options, and even if if the colour that I was after didn't exist, I would just dye them. I was trying to change the way people were looking at events. Eve: Mm-hmm. Lea Klein: and realizing at the end it was it's it's tough. It's tough, it was tough on me, on my body, on my family. And I feel like COVID didn't help and and people weren't quite ready to give up their big weddings. Eve: Mm. Lea Klein: I kind of needed to get away from from not being dependent on other institutions to to find what I was looking for. I wanted to kind of almost go back into my bubble and kind of reassess where are my values? What do I really want? do I want to write emails about three nepkins forth and back or do I really want to know people when they come to me, this is valuable. is really one of a kind, or this is different. When they come to me, they really cherish knowing this is truly important to the environment and for the future of our children. We need to support this. We don't ask silly questions. We don't try to make a bargain. This is, you know, I can offer them something important. with the event styling business, I didn't find my people yet, I feel like while the the fashion industry, because we all need clothes to wear all day, every day. We don't always have Eve: Mm-hmm. Lea Klein: a big wedding or a big birthday coming up. But with the fashion incubator and these people that I now get to know, it's just To to seeing how passionate they are and how important it is to to feel great every day in the in the clothes we're wearing, it probably is is more my niche. Eve: Yeah. I love that you recognized that and, took that as an opportunity because it wasn't aligned with your values, to then, reassess and then make more aligned choices. that's so important. that's the goal really, Lea Klein: Absolutely. Eve: is living in alignment. so Project Emerald has evolved from talking about secondhand fashion into asking much bigger questions around identity. So I'd love your perspective Lea Klein: Uh-huh. Eve: on what role clothing should play in someone's life. Lea Klein: Really find the style that suits your body and don't try to follow trends, don't try to look like The new trend out there. try to really kind of embrace your body there's there's always a style out there for everybody shape. you don't just because everybody is wearing jeans, you don't have to squeeze into a pair of jeans and then not feel confident and and walk around not feeling great. I don't own a pair of jeans because they just don't make me feel confident. They make me fear question my body if I Eve: Mm-hmm. Lea Klein: squeeze into one. and then I ended up putting so many layers on top of it what was the point of even putting that jeans on if you now can't even see it. I would really encourage people to take some time to really figure out what suits their body type? And don't question your body. Your body Eve: Mm-hmm. Lea Klein: should be embraced the way it is. It's your Eve: Mm-hmm. Lea Klein: body, it's beautiful no matter what. if you feel like you can't embrace it the way it is and go out there and show the world, then find ways to dress the way it flatters your body, it enhances it and and and it makes you feel confident and going out there like a winner every day. And don't hide. clothing shouldn't be about hiding. and it doesn't take much money. it probably takes patience to to go through op shops, find kind of, you know, the items that are simple in a way that you can re combinate with other items that you already have and that you Eve: Mm-hmm. Lea Klein: just keep doing that rather than buying more and more and more just use what you have and just try to change it around so Eve: Mm-hmm. Lea Klein: if you're in love with a pattern go for it make sure you know you have items that either kind of have the same color palette like your favorite leopard pattern you know and go for it. Do a bit of research and live life and stop worrying about your body and the clothes you have or don't have. As I said, I don't wear any designer clothes, I don't have any. and I don't need any. Eve: I love that you know that about yourself and that you are confident in your own skin and the styles that you like and you're living your life authentically as opposed to taking different paths or wearing different clothing just to fit in. Lea Klein: Mm. Absolutely. Eve: So what never goes out of style in your books? Lea Klein: probably black. Eve: This is so classic. Lea Klein: And I yeah, and I try not to wear it as much. I like to hide behind it sometimes. and I think it's it's about finding a set of clothing. It could be ten, fifteen different clothes that that can be combined in hundred different ways. So it's the three pair of pants that you need. Maybe a fitted, a non-so fitted, and maybe a colorful one. And then you need a couple of tops that that kind of all go ideally all go with all of those pants. All of these shirts can be combined with all of these pants and then a layer on top like a cardigan or a jumper. So ideally all of these jumpers can be combined with All of these shirts with all of these pens and you can just mix and match, but you have your base stock of items that you wear until they die over and over again. And I like to throw accessories at it to to to mix and match it up. I like necklaces, I like banglets, I like earrings, I like a good scarf that just Eve: Mm-hmm. Lea Klein: Maybe if I don't have a yellow jumper, but I feel like a yellow scarf will today kind of bring out the sun in me. yeah, I for me it's accessories that kind of that that bring a bit of pop of colour and a bit of fun. But for my wardrobe it's it's the items, can I combine them? Will I wear them in a year from now on? And I still have items in my wardrobe that I brought from Germany fifteen years ago in my backpack as a as a backpacker. and they're still with me. So Eve: Mm. Lea Klein: it doesn't need much, it just needs a way to combine them all, to make them wearable every day, again, again and again, without you feeling boring or out of date Eve: I think confidence is a big thing. So if you love what you are wearing and it fits you perfectly, you naturally feel more confident in everyday life. Lea Klein: Absolutely. Eve: if you could redesign one thing about the fashion industry overnight, what would it be? Lea Klein: wow. One thing. transparency. Eve: yeah. Lea Klein: Yeah, it had to be transparency that everybody, every company out there has to say on a label inside the garment, exactly. How is it possible that this item from the big K cost five dollars? How in the world is this possible? It traveled all the way around the world. It got made by somebody, who did it got made from? and I I would like the production chain written on the label for you to understand how can this cost five dollars? This is impossible. And I would like to change that for people to really see how fast fashion is made and how we need to slow down. Eve: That would be quite alarming, I think, if people were to actually be reading on the label Lea Klein: Absolutely. We would be shocked. Eve: how that shirt can cost five dollars. I'd actually really love to see that, so Leah, do you think sustainability starts with what we buy or does it actually start with knowing ourselves? Lea Klein: Yeah, knowing yourself first. What suits you? what do you need? Do you even need more things in your wardrobe? Is that do you want to cover up something? is that an impulse shopping? I don't even ask myself that anymore. if I think I need an item. My first instinct is going on marketplace. Eve: Hm. Lea Klein: On my local community pages, can I find this item secondhand? That's always my first instinct, my first choice. I will not buy it brand new if I can find it secondhand. And if I have to do a a whole day of op shopping and I'll drive to five, six different op shops. Only if I really really can't find this item secondhand anywhere, and I've written messages on all my local buy nothing groups or garage sale or anything out there, then I may consider buying it new. But the next step would really be Where do I buy it from? What's it made out of? Is it is it just something that I for a season. Seasonal shopping. my god, is it seasons they they come again, so you can if you if you feel like you need to buy something new for Christmas and and and you're gonna change your whole Christmas decoration. Is that a one is it a one year thing, or can you use it for the next five years? Can Christmas just be about family and being together rather than the colours on the Christmas tree? And your napkins and the plates that you eating from? Or is it about actually bringing everybody together and eat together? Eve: I agree with that sentiment as well I would always look to buy secondhand first. and I got really frustrated that marketplace took so much time and I was going down this rabbit hole each time I was doing it. plus I didn't really I don't really love social media, so I didn't really want to be on I knew that there must have been an easier way to buy second hand. So hence creating Project Emerald Marketplace. For that exact reason. Yeah. Lea Klein: Absolutely, that's where you come in. Yes. Eve: that's where, the marketplace ideas certainly stemmed from. I had three young children at the time. I still do, but they've grown up a bit now. but I didn't have the time to go to different op shops. trying to find them clothes or myself clothes when I identified that there was something that I needed. hence the journey to create the marketplace was born from that frustration, I guess, and need. But also I knew that I didn't want to necessarily buy, poor quality items that I'll just have to throw in the bin. So we're aligned in that way. Lea Klein: it's hard to shop for kids they're growing so fast. And I find myself really frustrated when school throws at you another Harmony Day and all of a sudden you need this orange t-shirt. And and where do you get an orange t-shirt in in the next week? I find myself really kind of challenged. Where do I go now? And and will I comply? I just wouldn't wear orange. I would maybe wear an orange scarf. Or but for my son who wants to fit in and and to kind of really kinda explain to him, but it's it's not about fitting in. What about Eve: Mm. Lea Klein: the environment? Do we is that more important than your peers? And for him at the moment it is. And and and to kinda have that conversation with him, can you wear a soccer jersey that shows you are from Ireland and there there's a bit of orange in there and can you explain to your peers that this is harmony for you having family from Ireland and cherishing them dressing kids sustainably is is I find the hardest. Eve: they've got school pressures and then, trying to fit in and also be true to themselves, because that's what, we're trying to educate them on. it's difficult. Leah, what does taking your power back mean to you? Lea Klein: Therapy. Eve: Mm. Lea Klein: Yeah, for me it's it's kind of really getting down to the nitty-gritty of myself. Why do I do things the way I do? Is this healthy? Is this healthy for me? Is this healthy for my family? Am I just passing frustrations down that are actually to be solved within myself and to kind of really just kind of get down there, it was everything, everything from from homeopathy to finding a guru to walking the Camino de Santiago twice, doing family constellations, trauma therapy, hypnotherapy, reading various books and send them to my parents and say, ha ha ha Here, guys, you should have been reading this forty years ago and I wouldn't be here today. yes. Eve: So where can everyone find the stylable the label? Lea Klein: Yes, okay. we are on Instagram. Sustylable the Label is one where we really just show the items that we make and that we sell and then we have a behind the scenes account which is Sustylable the Leia sustylable.lea and where we kinda really bring you back behind the scenes and we're we're not sugarcoating it and we really show you this is what we do and this is how we do it and sometimes I just show how I clean my house and free myself from plastic because it's plastic free July and and how I go down the rabbit hole realizing my god, there's plastic everywhere. and then you're gonna see the stylable on two different runways in October on the circular fashion runway. that's on the twenty-third of October. And then on the seventeenth of October there's another runway run by the Fremantle Fashion Festival. So there's gonna be lots of styleable label out there in the coming weeks. So yeah, we're very excited about it and very proud that we can be part of something so important. Eve: Excellent. It's so cool. and Leah, our last question to close off, what advice would you give to your younger self? Lea Klein: it's not you, it's them. your parents messed up, nobody there to tell you that they all had their little quirks and traumas. and it's not you. you're beautiful and I think we should tell that every child they are beautiful just the way they are. And if we mess up sometimes and we're getting loud or we're getting unfair, we should acknowledge and we should explain and we should tell them we don't have all the answers. So I think yeah, the advice is kind of like Children are beautiful and important and gorgeous just the way they are, and parents mess up. Yep. Eve: thank you so much, Leah. I appreciate your Lea Klein: Mm-hmm. Eve: time today. thank you for joining us. look out for these podcasts. we generally have them live every Friday. these are important conversations and I hope that they're shaping women's lives and, adding value and you're gaining new perspectives from listening to each of these conversations. So please share them with someone in your network that, would benefit from hearing the incredible women that I get to interview each week. So thank you, Leah. Lea Klein: Thank you so much.