Latest / Rugby Rivals - Sir John Kirwan & Victor Matfield / Springboks are Back-to-Back Champions! TRC Wrap Up & Looking Ahead

Transcript

Springboks are Back-to-Back Champions! TRC Wrap Up & Looking Ahead · Rugby Rivals - Sir John Kirwan & Victor Matfield

• 0:00
  Congratulations Victor, although it's making me feel sick.
• 0:04
  Everything in South Africa is just perfect, we're loving rugby, it's getting great,
• 0:08
  the coaches are the best coaches in the world, the difference between South Africa winning
• 0:12
  the championship and us winning the championship was 20 minutes in the sick and half in Wellington.
• 0:17
  I think Ireland is starting to fall away a little bit, I think England will probably be a
• 0:22
  tougher test match but France I think it's going to be very difficult for South Africa to go
• 0:27
  and beat them in France. I want South Africa to win every single game
• 0:31
  and I want New Zealand to win every single game.
• 0:38
  Welcome to Rugby Rivals for another week where Victor is going to tell us about why he's a champion.
• 0:44
  A double champion, double World Cup and double rugby champion champion.
• 0:49
  Yeah, I must say I'm very happy for the box, I don't think it was our base performance,
• 0:55
  actually probably one of our worst performances in the rugby championship but it's always
• 1:02
  difficult. I think especially after a week like the previous one in Durban where you really put
• 1:08
  a team away just to get the intensity back up, to get the commitment there and also I think you
• 1:14
  start off thinking everything is going to be easy and then you make a lot of mistakes and
• 1:19
  yeah hard to get it back but again that only needed to win the game and that's what they did.
• 1:25
  Why is that hard? Surely you go into a game with a lot of confidence, a lot of self-belief,
• 1:30
  you just come up that team. Why is it always you're always saying it's hard for South Africa to
• 1:35
  double up like that? Yeah, I think because you need to start from zero again and if you look at
• 1:42
  that first half I mean we had two, three great line breaks and then just forcing the boss a little
• 1:48
  bit where if that expectation is not on you you can just go out play your game, put the pressure on
• 1:55
  when the score comes it comes. When you've just put the team away it's almost like in the back of
• 1:59
  your mind that you have to beat them by the same or better again and I think sometimes you just
• 2:04
  overplay your end, you just force things, you don't have the patience so yeah it's just difficult.
• 2:13
  Yeah I think it's a combination Ricardo so you know if you think about the spring box and
• 2:20
  congratulations Victor although it's you know making me feel sick telling you congratulations because
• 2:27
  it makes me feel sick because we wanted to win the championship and we wanted to stop you getting
• 2:32
  another record but that didn't happen and look to be fair you thoroughly deserved it. I think there
• 2:37
  was 40 minutes in the all blacks that they'll probably regret for a long time and you know when
• 2:43
  you talk about you know the difference between two weeks winning an Eden Park, winning pretty well
• 2:49
  I thought spring box played well we played well and then getting pumped in that second half.
• 2:54
  So I think Ricardo answered your question, there's a whole lot of different things, there's
• 2:58
  there's the physical sides way more as well like you know sometimes coaches tend to overdo it when
• 3:05
  they're worried about the team getting up so they might over train the team and so there's a
• 3:10
  whole lot of different things like you're a competitor Ricardo, in fact you're a annoying competitor
• 3:15
  right, you've always been like that, the people don't know Ricardo was my captain,
• 3:20
  psyched to look at his fat ass as a number eight when I was playing first 15 rugby as a halfback.
• 3:27
  You imagine what you're like when you lose and like this Argentinian sides are really good
• 3:31
  side they're really proud side like Victor's mentioned this before, some of their attack is
• 3:37
  absolutely amazing like even in their last at Trickenham they did some amazing things on attack
• 3:44
  so they're a proud nation so you imagine when New Zealand or South Africa lose the following week
• 3:49
  we're going to be up and we're going to be really annoyed and so we're going to perform and I
• 3:56
  thought the Argentinians had performed right across this championship and they're not a team to take
• 4:00
  lightly so they would have come off the they would have been disappointed with their loss
• 4:05
  you know in in South Africa and they go to London and they wanted to prove a point again
• 4:11
  South Africa were probably 2.3% off you know I've talked to a lot of people about the about the
• 4:17
  about the all black performance and everyone's talking about oh it's this and it's that but it also
• 4:21
  could be physical when you come off Eden Park there's a massive mental drain you might over train
• 4:26
  there's a whole lot of different scenarios that go on and I think at this level the difference
• 4:30
  is like 2 to 3% like the difference between South Africa winning the championship and us winning
• 4:34
  the championship was 20 minutes in the second half in Wellington right and a couple of moments
• 4:41
  and those moments change the game at this level so for me retrospective it's just been a great
• 4:48
  championship it's been a great competition I think Argentina have been outstanding I think Australia
• 4:54
  are way better side so South Africa and New Zealand have been put to the put to the pump like
• 5:00
  you know and it's that's how you want the championship to be and long may it live long that
• 5:06
  level long may we bring on the Northern tour because now what we've got to do is go over and prove
• 5:11
  to the Northern Hemisphere that we are still the best competition in the world hey hey y'all
• 5:17
  the thing that people don't remember is there's two teams on the field I mean we're definitely not
• 5:23
  30 points better than New Zealand so to go out next week and play against them the chance of
• 5:27
  beating them by 30 won't happen I think it's just in the game where there's one or two moments
• 5:34
  you take those opportunity and in a game someone can just fall away all day there same thing
• 5:39
  against Argentina I don't think we a team that will beat them every week by 30 40 points it's just
• 5:45
  on the day we were good they went as good they made mistakes then they're going to a next game
• 5:50
  probably don't believe they can win so they actually just want to keep the score low
• 5:54
  and then it's much harder to put that big corner teams so there's always two teams on the field
• 5:59
  and like Jacob is saying I think these four teams are really close to each other and it was a
• 6:07
  fantastic rugby championship and I mean actually before last week we were talking about the
• 6:13
  expectation of New Zealand fans I mean everything in South Africa is just perfect we loving
• 6:18
  rugby it's going great the coaches are the best coaches in the world the players we've got
• 6:23
  depth I mean if you look at New Zealand they also got 19 points same as us in the rugby championship
• 6:29
  and they worried is it the right coach do they have the right players oh yeah I just think
• 6:34
  expectations in New Zealand is so much higher than anywhere else in the world I think with this
• 6:39
  team we're getting there with the springbox as well and yeah I think it was a fantastic
• 6:45
  rugby championship it's great that Argentina is performing it's great that Australia is back
• 6:50
  and yeah it's actually a pity there won't be a rugby championship next year
• 6:55
  do you think jk did the all blacks meet your expectations against Australia
• 7:01
  yeah we beat them twice and we kept the blitters low cut when we kept the even pack alive so yeah of
• 7:06
  course well those are results but I wanted to beat South Africa just he doesn't want to talk about
• 7:15
  I think that there's one of the base performances of the all blacks especially that's taken off
• 7:20
  I thought Australia probably had them a bit under under wraps in the first off and I thought
• 7:28
  Australia could have lead going into half time but I really enjoyed what I saw of the all blacks
• 7:33
  in that second off they played a clever game they kept Australia out of the game I left those
• 7:39
  little kicks in behind on the front foot running onto the ball so I thought the second off the
• 7:45
  all blacks was really good for me if I can just get back if I can just get back to the conversation
• 7:51
  I think I'll start with yours Victor and then I'll go back to your question Ricardo because New
• 7:56
  Zealand is naturally questioned everything when we lose so the reason why we're a little bit
• 8:03
  concerned is we're a little bit concerned about and this is a whole bunch of x rugby guys getting
• 8:08
  to get Victor right so this is and then people stopping me in the airport so when our schoolboy
• 8:14
  side gets bashed up by Aussie we're now under 20s lose the world cup in to South Africa
• 8:22
  again we start saying what is what is our yeah thank you for throwing that in Raqqa
• 8:28
  thank you it's very very good you just throw those little bombs in but I ask questions okay
• 8:36
  because we want to win everything and and I'm okay with that so when we lose that schoolboy game
• 8:44
  we've lost the under 20s over the summer and our team is probably not performing how the country
• 8:50
  want I think it's right that we question what is our high performance doing you know I firmly believe
• 8:56
  that when you as traitor South African people that you are and you left us from super rugby for money
• 9:02
  you money hungry South African people it had a real effect on super rugby I don't think super
• 9:10
  rugby now prepares us for the rugby at the highest level I firmly believe that so we question a lot
• 9:19
  we question a lot and I think that's a good thing are people listening who knows getting back to
• 9:25
  your question Ricardo as an all black you always want to get better right so did the all blacks get
• 9:31
  better over the championship and my my challenge to us as all blacks is we're probably still struggling
• 9:39
  with a little bit of inconsistency I believe with Victor I believe what Victor said I think that
• 9:43
  was our best performance I think we were put under pressure against Australia and we held
• 9:50
  strong our kicking game was really good I think I'm a big believer in combinations and I don't
• 9:55
  know what you're like Victor but you know being a back I think when you see when you see Jordi freed
• 10:02
  up a wee bit and he starts putting little kicks in it means that the combination that he had with
• 10:08
  Quintu Pai was a good combination is our loose forward combination the right one yet you know we saw
• 10:16
  we saw Ardi probably a little bit quiet is that the game plan or is he just having a flat moment I
• 10:23
  mean this is our world's best carrier of the ball so I think rightly New Zealand got better over
• 10:29
  the championship but inconsistency cost us that inconsistency in the second half against South
• 10:35
  Africa and the inconsistency of not getting up like South Africa what was the difference we played
• 10:40
  Argentina one week and we smashed them we played really well in wherever it was Kodoba and then we
• 10:44
  lost the next week in Buenos Aires whereas this South African team are just a little bit of a head of
• 10:51
  us with consistency right and that won them the competition so I think it's okay to question Victor
• 10:58
  we were like we've lost two world cups mate you know and I know you're going to keep reminding me
• 11:03
  that we've just lost two champions in my row and if you're a kiwi that's not good enough and I
• 11:06
  think we should look in the mirror and say it's not good enough I just I just think the time of
• 11:13
  New Zealand being the number one team in the world dominating having 85 plus percent it's going
• 11:19
  to be hard to stay at that level I think because everyone is just closer I think if you look at the
• 11:25
  four top teams South Africa New Zealand I'll say Ireland and France I think when they play each other
• 11:32
  10 times it will be very close to 50-50 beating each other it won't be like in the old days where
• 11:37
  New Zealand were 90 percent and the other guys fight to win one on two and I've got no problem with
• 11:42
  that mate and I think that's good thing for rugby like we need the world cup of rugby to get better
• 11:47
  and better like the world cup of soccer I mean it's Italy who I'm passionate about can't even qualify
• 11:53
  for the world cup the last soccer world cup right so I agree with you I understand what you're saying
• 12:00
  but I still think that as kiwis we question so for me the all blacks at this in this moment
• 12:08
  traveling well I really enjoyed that we've got some young players coming in we changed the football
• 12:13
  team on the weekend victor which is we haven't done right yeah we put Quinnon you know we we
• 12:21
  changed a few of the players some of them through injuries and so I think that's a that's a really
• 12:25
  good thing I think for us I'm not Christian in the all blacks I'm questioning is our high performance
• 12:33
  and our competitions preparing our team to have a winning percentage as high as it should be so
• 12:41
  so what seems to come through is that South Africans are eternally optimistic and New Zealanders
• 12:47
  are eternally pessimistic so that's good so we've established that we're a miserable race we're
• 12:52
  not happy with everything in South Africa just celebrates everything Rick just wait I mean after
• 12:58
  the one loss against Australia at Alice Park it was chaos in South Africa as well if we lost
• 13:04
  another one in Cape Town it was like will they fire us here I mean after he was won two world cups so
• 13:09
  I think both nations the expectation is very high but I think the expectation with New Zealand
• 13:15
  is just a little bit higher than what we we've got in South Africa with both of us when ever
• 13:21
  to whenever you go to South Africa they always ask you the question what do you think of our beautiful
• 13:26
  country like you know you just can't answer that with anything other than oh it's beautiful
• 13:32
  and I think that's the beautiful thing about South Africans who was your we'll start with you Victor
• 13:36
  who were the two players in the rugby championship that impressed you the most I think firstly
• 13:45
  I'm not going to call us South African as a firstly from Australia I think Wilson their captain is just
• 13:52
  an outstanding rugby player the way he led that team every time they were under pressure
• 13:58
  he kind of stood up just his lines he run the almost makes me think of Owen Finnegan of old we just
• 14:05
  he runs the right time at the right moment give momentum to his team and when there's a big play
• 14:11
  he's normally the one that steps up so he was pretty outstanding for me and then in the South African
• 14:16
  team I think the performance of Sasha in that urban game and even this weekend in that first
• 14:24
  off he's a special player and I think he's going to do special things for South Africa
• 14:29
  Jake aye I will skeleton I thought was unbelievable as I wasn't happy that he left the field because
• 14:37
  I'd never like seeing a player leave the field but he started the game on the weekend by like
• 14:43
  pushing Adi in the face and annoying people and I just thought his physical presence
• 14:48
  specially against South Africa early was just a thing to behold like any carried the team with him
• 14:55
  with a bit of belief so I thought he was outstanding and unfortunately he wasn't around the whole
• 15:01
  time and this is this is this is an argument around southern hemisphere this is northern hemisphere
• 15:07
  and where all the money is right I think Sasha was unbelievable like he is he is like you know I think
• 15:16
  of Dan Carter and you know Grant Fox and Johnny Wilkinson had a baby to be him you know he seems
• 15:25
  to have everything because athleticism is amazing is acceleration is amazing you know it takes a
• 15:32
  lot of courage for the modern player just to read what's in front of them and I don't know what
• 15:36
  the structure is but I know Brownie pretty well you know from a from a attack coaching point of
• 15:42
  you and this kids just playing with incredible confidence and that's hard to do when you're young
• 15:46
  man and when you live in South Africa or New Zealand right so for me so for me that's been that's
• 15:53
  been really good I think we haven't had we haven't had anyone in the all blacks that's new that
• 16:00
  sort of stood up and and played played like you think wow like you know Wallace Satiti last year
• 16:07
  was was amazing I think to poor Vi I've really enjoyed his ability to play from from six and seven
• 16:15
  I'm sad that he's probably going to be out for the season so I've really enjoyed him coming into
• 16:20
  a leadership role so for me you guys will just need to work on his celebrations it feels like he's
• 16:28
  playing in in the UK for Sarasins with all these celebrations yeah and I agree with that I think
• 16:35
  that's yeah I do agree with that I thought we're both a little bit old school around that I don't
• 16:39
  like those little celebrations I don't mind when you score a try and then I thought Cam Roy guard
• 16:45
  coming back into the side you know we've always had two types of halfback we've always had the
• 16:52
  you know the the halfback so that's like a third loose forward you know really like a Justin Marshall
• 16:58
  or you know when I played it was you know Andrew Donald old shuffles we used to call him
• 17:03
  and then you've got guys like you know the clerical you've got far from you've got far from you
• 17:09
  got you know Aaron Smith where they're just great passes and great rounder and annoying little
• 17:15
  people whereas I think Cam Roy guard's got a combination he's that big guy he you know you wouldn't
• 17:21
  want to defend around the ruck when when you're tired because he you know he's just going to have a
• 17:25
  go so having him back has been like a revelation and I think I think what you need to realise to
• 17:32
  win world cups and to have to win championships and I know VickDee of one two in a row is
• 17:39
  19 combination is fundamental so your 19 combination is really important for me I just want to go
• 17:46
  back on that comment if you say Justin Marshall was a force loose force like playing I love it never
• 17:54
  seen him in a break time maybe Brian Byron Keller but Justin were more the guy putting everyone
• 18:01
  away I think actually can I can I mention the players is that is that okay with you too
• 18:06
  if you can ask yourself the same question have your say or the player that really impressed me
• 18:14
  just because of the way he just took to test rugby was Eroi Carter I thought that he very quickly
• 18:20
  became one of our best players he his work rate was incredible his confidence from the moment
• 18:26
  he stepped on the park was amazing like he was born to play test rugby and you know he was
• 18:32
  always trying to take people on I was just so impressed with him that so quickly he could become
• 18:38
  one of our best players super starman he's a super star that boy did you and I just agreed on
• 18:44
  something yeah first on the 30 years yeah so let's move on I think and that's a winger you're
• 18:52
  talking about exactly exactly but let's think about pathways right and I think the sevens should
• 19:00
  still be a pathway especially for backs and I know in the last I don't know what it's like in
• 19:05
  South Africa Victor but in New Zealand in the last few years it's been a bit separate so we've had
• 19:10
  our sevens contract players and we've had our 15s contract players and there hasn't been a lot
• 19:14
  of crossover but I think Lee Roy is is one of those guys that like you know he's he's a qualified
• 19:23
  electrician he's done the hard yards he hasn't come through the traditional pathway he was an
• 19:29
  amazing sevens play but the thing I like about the way he plays is that his individual skills are
• 19:35
  from sevens you know when you get into wide channel and sevens you've got to clean out properly
• 19:41
  right or you get hammered and I think those crossover skills that he's brought to the game
• 19:48
  really really good so we need to look at sevens as a pathway as well so guys coming across
• 19:54
  I just like how New Zealand is following the spring walks at the moment I mean we started with a
• 20:00
  high kick with a wing as that needs to be full backs under the high ball then we changed to
• 20:05
  bringing sevens players into with goal goal be goodly orange now you guys are doing the same it's
• 20:11
  nice that you guys are following success it's always good Victor like we've never followed so
• 20:17
  that you've always followed us I'll just remind you you have a New Zealander in your coaching
• 20:21
  staff in the backs just reminding us trying to teach him something then we can send him back for
• 20:26
  you guys so but you're in camp with Japan at the moment what's the what's your program here
• 20:33
  yeah it just arrives yesterday we've been on a split camp with the forwards and the backs the
• 20:39
  forwards are here in Oita it's my first time yeah while the backs is in Miyazaki and then we
• 20:46
  join up together on Thursday and yeah we've got Australia A we'll probably play like a B
• 20:52
  side against them and then Australia and then it's into their inner fear tour starting off with
• 20:58
  a spring box at Tweaking M so pretty tough to it for the boys up north I think Miyazashi Miyamoto
• 21:07
  Musashi was from Oita wasn't he the famous the famous samurai yeah I took a photo yesterday
• 21:18
  with a samurai maybe it's it's talking about that Northern tour I mean from the South African
• 21:23
  the all black perspective you know it's a great opportunity to just get another gauge on where they
• 21:30
  are in terms of you know so the all black start with that big game against Trumbi's Irish team in
• 21:35
  Chicago and then basically they have a grand slam I think and then South Africa's got a hell of a
• 21:41
  tour including playing France and France obviously so what do you what do you do you mean Riccata
• 21:47
  when you say get a gauge well you know it's constantly the world champions South Africans after
• 21:53
  when everything they're South African right they're the world champions twice in the double championship
• 21:58
  so they're under a lot of pressure to go north and prove themselves is that what you're
• 22:03
  is that what you're saying right gauge themselves haven't we proven enough do we need to do more
• 22:09
  yeah listen I think this this Northern aim is here trips going to be very exciting I'm a full
• 22:19
  believer the big threat for New Zealand and the spring walks is France at the moment if you look
• 22:24
  at their team in the previous World Cup they were outstanding actually still a young squat they've
• 22:31
  got some brilliant players and they look at the top 14 with the lose and Bordeaux just playing
• 22:37
  unbelievable rugby dominating the Heineken Cup or the invasive Cup as it's called now I think France
• 22:45
  is a big threat I think and it's a pretty Trumbi is not here I think Ireland is starting to fall
• 22:54
  away a little bit I think England will probably be a tougher taste match at the end of the year but
• 23:00
  France I think it's going to be very difficult for South Africa to go and beat them in France
• 23:06
  I think I think to get to get to World Cups nowadays and to be competitive you need to know
• 23:15
  how to win and you need to win tough so for the New Zealanders to go on a grand slam if you're a
• 23:23
  young like we grew up dreaming of winning grand slams and it's going to be incredibly difficult I
• 23:29
  agree with Victor on Ireland I have no idea where they are at the moment I don't think you know
• 23:35
  they've had they've had a 9 and 10 you know with Jamison but now what are they going to do at 10
• 23:41
  you know I think they've got some challenges they've got some players that are getting older
• 23:46
  France I believe are the best side in the world I think that the coach made some mistakes at the
• 23:52
  last World Cup was who or how long he played especially DuPont I think he left him out there
• 23:59
  15 minutes too long in that game that they lost and he was gassed at the end but they are
• 24:08
  unbelievable they sent their second side to New Zealand and not only were they incredibly well
• 24:13
  coach they were full of talent and full of really good technical players so the rut was aggressive
• 24:20
  so I agree with Victor I think that France are the biggest threat on the Northern too I've no idea
• 24:25
  how Ireland's going to face up England's always going to be tough at picking them although there's
• 24:30
  a few rumbles coming out about ortho just lately and it's man management skills whether that's true
• 24:35
  or not who knows but we'll probably find out and Scotland's always the banana peel because they're
• 24:41
  always better they're a bit like Argentina they're always better than people give them credit for
• 24:45
  and you've got to got to look out so the hardest thing for us those it's the end of the year
• 24:52
  and you know fatigues are real issue so is this in this interview too is this one time with you
• 24:57
  two really joined together as the southern hemisphere taking on the north are you together in this
• 25:04
  I think we're coming together I see Trimby's got a very nice video of you Sir John Cohen this
• 25:10
  weekend this whole week all over social media so I think as we go up north we'll go back to south
• 25:19
  versus north totally totally I want South Africa to win every single game and I want New Zealand to win
• 25:26
  every single go and I hope Aussie continue to perform and get better when's Joe Schmidt finishing
• 25:32
  is he still doing the end of year to it yeah I think so yeah yeah he finishes next year so you know
• 25:38
  for me the northern hemisphere is a different rugby it's a different type of game and I love it I
• 25:46
  mean I think the six nations one of the greatest competitions I think South Africa a better set up
• 25:52
  to play in the northern hemisphere now just because they got so many players playing over then they
• 25:56
  understand the system they understand how it works they understand the game I mean the games way
• 26:00
  more on the ground as an epic you know like you even see it when you get an English referee on the
• 26:05
  weekend with Aussie so so much to report people on the ground so it's a different type of game
• 26:11
  but it's a it's a fantastic opportunity for the south to so we're still strong I just I'm just
• 26:17
  going to I just people we go there's just one thing I wanted to just acknowledge some some
• 26:22
  devastating news this week you know when we hear about Lewis Moody and his diagnosis with him and
• 26:29
  D you know you know he's done so much for so many other people and and you can see when he
• 26:36
  was being interviewed really it's it's just such a hard thing for him to comprehend it's hard for
• 26:41
  any us to comprehend so so all I love to to Lewis and the family and and you know I mean this is
• 26:48
  a time where the rugby community is really not about rivals but we're all in this together and we
• 26:52
  all just wish him we just wish him the best that he possibly can be yeah I mean I I um I can't
• 27:02
  imagine I can't imagine what he's what him and his family are going through and the courage that
• 27:08
  he showed as a rugby player and the courage that he's shown post to you know just to give to so
• 27:14
  many other people I what he walk across the Sahara Desert you know he's been raising money for
• 27:18
  brain cancer my thoughts just go out to him and and he'll he'll fight man and I think the most
• 27:25
  important thing is be great to see him on the northern tour I hope to get to see him this game
• 27:32
  like you said Ricardo you know I I just love our game because our game is about rivalry but then
• 27:41
  shaking hands and having a beer and to see one of our mates like that and you probably
• 27:45
  um you know you probably met him a probably a bit more than me Victor yeah um just want to say
• 27:54
  our thoughts are going out to him and I think the whole rugby public and I think like John is saying
• 27:59
  that's where the rugby public pulls together um I mean I went through the whole process pretty close
• 28:07
  with US front of East Asian and it's not an easy road but as US yeah he's a fighter and yeah
• 28:15
  there's always miracles so um let's hope and let's keep believing
• 28:21
  that's rugby rivals for this week