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09/23/26 - Hour 2 · The Huddle

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  Speaker 1: Packers home opener. The anticipation builds. Packers moving forward without
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  Speaker 1: their best offensive lineman and starting right tackle, Zach Bacoboelli.
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  Speaker 2: Back-to-back years, they start up on Thursday night football. A,
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  Speaker 2: the streaming service's favorite NFL team, the Green and Gold,
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  Speaker 2: here kicking off on prime.
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  Speaker 1: So it looks like Anthony Belton picked up the white
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  Speaker 1: courtesy telephone. He's going from like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he's lost his starting spot.
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  Speaker 1: He says he's a man without a country or a
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  Speaker 1: position to, here you go, kid.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, Drew? It turned out that they might
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  Speaker 2: not have known what they were doing, but they made
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  Speaker 2: a decision and quickly the ball found them. When you
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  Speaker 2: go out and play right field, you don't usually play
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  Speaker 2: in the outfield. Odds are one of those first three
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  Speaker 2: fly balls are going right at you. Screaming, slicing line
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  Speaker 2: drive coming at you. So you get rid of Darian
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  Speaker 2: Kennard in final cut down days. He's playing in the
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  Speaker 2: late stages of the third quarter. You and I are
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  Speaker 2: looking at each other at that Cardinals game saying, That's
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  Speaker 2: probably not good news. Not good news. That's not good
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  Speaker 2: for Darian Gennard. And they started working Belton over at
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  Speaker 2: right tackle when they made it clear to him and
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  Speaker 2: everybody else that he wasn't going to be the right guard. And,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it's fortuitous knowing, having some idea that
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  Speaker 2: maybe there would be some issues with Zach. luckily he's
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  Speaker 2: got three or four weeks over there because he's going
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  Speaker 2: to get 15 i would assume now to go see
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  Speaker 2: if it could be an nfl tackle yeah that's.
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  Speaker 3: The silver lining right of it there's no silver lining
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  Speaker 3: when you have an injury like that but the reality
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  Speaker 3: is that they say the waiting is the hardest part
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  Speaker 3: at least you know now you know you don't have
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  Speaker 3: any choice to have make it have a decision sometimes
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  Speaker 3: having those decisions are hard like we have no choice
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  Speaker 3: you're playing here and we have to eat this way
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  Speaker 3: we have to live this.
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  Speaker 1: Way if the draft though if you look at the
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  Speaker 1: blueprint i think you know, it was kind of in
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  Speaker 1: the blueprint that Jordan Morgan was going to be one
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  Speaker 1: starting tackle and Anthony Belton was going to.
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  Speaker 2: Be the other one of the other ones. Yep. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, and suddenly it's like, well, now they're
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  Speaker 1: forced to stick to their original course, which is what
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  Speaker 1: they had planned on.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Your hand gets forced. And I mean, I know
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  Speaker 2: we were in a world where everybody thought big guards
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  Speaker 2: were the way to go. Well, I mean, McKay Becton
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  Speaker 2: worked one time for the Superbowl. they might've also underestimated
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  Speaker 2: the fact that the Eagles were pretty damn good, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like everybody on the guys was pretty good. And Lane
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  Speaker 2: Johnson's first ballot hall of famer elite. So like you
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  Speaker 2: can cover certain things up. I just, they're now, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe it will be a two spots drew. Cause you're right.
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  Speaker 2: The draft and develop draft and forced to play. They
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  Speaker 2: might just be forced to roll with Jagger Burton and
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  Speaker 2: let nothing else be left up to chance because the
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  Speaker 2: toe injury, I know Matt Lafleur said yesterday, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to give Aaron banks up to game time. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to give him every opportunity. That's going to be the
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  Speaker 2: next 15 weeks. And at some point, you're going to
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  Speaker 2: have to start developing some continuity and let the young
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  Speaker 2: man get better. Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I look back and it's like, if you
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  Speaker 1: had decided to move on last year from Rashid at
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  Speaker 1: the left tackle spot, maybe you could have put Morgan
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  Speaker 1: in there looking back and let him start building, getting
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  Speaker 1: reps and getting comfortable because that's going to be, you hope,
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  Speaker 1: his home for seven, eight, nine years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe Anthony Belton could have been the replacement over
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  Speaker 2: there at right tackle when Zach went down in the
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  Speaker 2: last five games. And maybe that would have been better.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows? What I do know is drew like the
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  Speaker 2: tape that he put out in game. Number one, having
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  Speaker 2: to play game two of the season will be far
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  Speaker 2: different from what it is in week 12.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, this is, this is the tough spot
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  Speaker 2: where we are in everybody having such incredible access to
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  Speaker 2: all of the tape and all of the film and
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  Speaker 2: seeing all plays be, run like they're designed to be
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  Speaker 2: on the sweet whiteboards that we all draw them up?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because there's not been one freaking play that's been drawn
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  Speaker 2: up on a whiteboard that was not a touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: It hasn't worked, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That is designed to be touchdowns. That's right. So when
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  Speaker 2: we see it then live and in practice with all 22s,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, well, this is just not right. He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: seal the right arm here correctly. That is a downgrade.
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  Speaker 2: We get such incredible access to it that we make
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  Speaker 2: sweeping damnations of how players are going to be. Is
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  Speaker 2: it going to be tough sledding if that is the
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  Speaker 2: play you get for Belton the entire season? Yes. Is
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  Speaker 2: he allowed to get better, and I believe he will
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  Speaker 2: get better just by playing? Yes. Now, how much better,
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  Speaker 2: that'll be up to him and the coaching staff, and
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  Speaker 2: you can 1,000% have your own beliefs there. and opinions
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  Speaker 2: as to if they have given you some reason to
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  Speaker 2: believe that they will get him better. But what he
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  Speaker 2: and how he played in week number one, his first
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  Speaker 2: one on the grass, or that awful turf at MetLife Stadium,
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  Speaker 2: I do believe he will develop into a little bit
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  Speaker 2: better player. How much and how quickly... Well, their season
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  Speaker 2: is kind of going to depend on that. I agree, Billy.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the thing. I mean, when you already when
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  Speaker 3: you don't know, but now, you know, say this is
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  Speaker 3: your house. You have to find the way to live
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  Speaker 3: in and operate it and prove it the best you can.
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  Speaker 2: You can get better. You can develop like players do change.
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  Speaker 2: And you're right. We are too quick to automatically litigate
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  Speaker 2: and and and.
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  Speaker 3: Damnate one way or the other.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a word? I don't know. I don't have
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  Speaker 2: no idea. Litigate damn. Well, I threw damnation out there.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't even know if damnation is a word.
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  Speaker 2: Where is, where is Jacob monk fit in this scheme
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  Speaker 2: right now? Where's his, uh, what's his lot in life?
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  Speaker 1: Because when you hear the coaches talk about him, they
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  Speaker 1: just rave about his attitude and his work ethic and
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  Speaker 1: brings the lunch pail.
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  Speaker 2: And they like his toughness.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of the bow Melton of the offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: This kid.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, he was the one that felt like
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  Speaker 2: he was anointed pretty quick. Wayne brought it up to
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  Speaker 2: me during training camp live. And I kept asking, you know,
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  Speaker 2: who's going to start rotating. And he goes, Billy, I got,
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  Speaker 2: I think I got news for you. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: the starting right guard, right? Like I think after a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks of nobody else taking the first, first
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  Speaker 2: team reps, he's going to be the guard. And listen,
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  Speaker 2: they had better tape that said Donovan Jennings was better
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  Speaker 2: in practice. So maybe they have better tape that's telling
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  Speaker 2: them that Jordan Morgan or that Jacob Monk has been
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  Speaker 2: much better. But they do. They love him, and they're
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  Speaker 2: going to give him every chance. He's one of these
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  Speaker 2: cats that is their version of draft and develop being
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  Speaker 2: here for three years.
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  Speaker 1: We did talk about this on the, again, the Beyond
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  Speaker 1: the Booth podcast with Wayne Leary. All the podcasts are available.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a sweet logo for that, too, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Sweet it is. Awesome one. I had nothing to do
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  Speaker 2: with that. But then again, so....
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  Speaker 1: But the Packers have, we were spoiled by continuity and
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  Speaker 1: solid play on the offensive line. Think back like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: our nation turns its lonely eyes to when Elton Jenkins
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  Speaker 1: was playing every week at.
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  Speaker 2: A high level, at a high, high level, right?
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  Speaker 1: And Zach previously, the artist previously known as Zach, Tom
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  Speaker 1: was playing every week at a high level, but the.
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  Speaker 2: Packers moved on from some guys. And we mentioned it.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned Cole van Lannen, who they didn't even really
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  Speaker 1: have room for. And he's now one of the top
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  Speaker 1: guys and getting.
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  Speaker 2: Paid caught and got to like maybe a seventh round
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  Speaker 2: pick back for him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, john runyon didn't have room for josh myers um
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  Speaker 1: they have they've moved on from guys and whether through
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  Speaker 1: injury or just like you know the the normal course
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  Speaker 1: of things like i just saw lucas patrick signing like
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  Speaker 1: oh man remember when he was the swiss army knife
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  Speaker 1: guy and it was they give you everything he had
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  Speaker 1: and glenn and i were talking about him i loved
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  Speaker 1: him because he just not the greatest most skilled guy
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  Speaker 1: but he gave you everything he had every play And
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  Speaker 1: he was a brawler.
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  Speaker 2: And you just kind of root for guys like that. Physically,
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  Speaker 2: physicality and intelligence will get you a long way in
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  Speaker 2: the offensive line room. For sure. And that's what he did.
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  Speaker 1: That's where they'll have to flex. And that's where they're
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  Speaker 1: going to have to be good. But they've moved on
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  Speaker 1: from some guys. And in the past when the Packers
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  Speaker 1: moved on from guys, with a few exceptions, you mostly said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they punted at.
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  Speaker 2: The right time.
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  Speaker 1: They got out just in time. The Ron Wolfe, better
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  Speaker 1: to get rid of him a year too early than
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  Speaker 1: a year too late.
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  Speaker 2: True.
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  Speaker 1: But now they got rid of some guys and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he would look good here. They haven't upgraded.
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  Speaker 2: The confidence in your own process probably turns to arrogance
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  Speaker 2: real quick. The confidence in we can do this and
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  Speaker 2: we will churn out better players every single year on
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  Speaker 2: rookie deals. Then all of a sudden you... believe, all right, well,
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  Speaker 2: we can't miss. You absolutely can. You very much can
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  Speaker 2: draft a Derek Sherrod and a, who was my young
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  Speaker 2: man from Indiana?
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  Speaker 3: Spriggs.
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  Speaker 2: Jason Spriggs. Yeah, that was a big miss. You can
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  Speaker 2: find those guys in the first and second round as well.
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  Speaker 2: And I've seen this conversation being brought up of like, Well,
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  Speaker 2: Goody doesn't care about protecting the quarterbacks as much. He's
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  Speaker 2: actually invested far more on draft capital than Ted Thompson
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  Speaker 2: probably did on any of his guys. Because if you're
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  Speaker 2: looking at that sweet line of Josh Sitton and TJ
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  Speaker 2: Lang and Corey Lindsley and David Bakhtiari walking out, Three
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  Speaker 2: out of those four guys would have been now day
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  Speaker 2: three picks in fourth and fifth rounders. Bulaga fell to
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  Speaker 2: him in the first round. And maybe the one that
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  Speaker 2: people still are surprised didn't work out was Sherrod when
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  Speaker 2: you win the Super Bowl and you take him 32nd.
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  Speaker 2: And he played what? 48 snaps for you? Yeah. I mean, like,
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  Speaker 2: so there have been big swings at the top of
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  Speaker 2: the draft for offensive linemen in green Bay. And historically
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  Speaker 2: those have not worked all that well. They haven't been
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  Speaker 2: nearly as good as the, the backend draft and develop
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  Speaker 2: guys are. So that's where I think the burden confidence
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  Speaker 2: comes from. And maybe that's where a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: of a, Confidence turns to arrogance with the one of
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  Speaker 2: Jacob Monk.
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  Speaker 3: They actually did move on from... The one I can
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  Speaker 3: think of is Breno Giacomini, if you guys remember him.
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  Speaker 3: They moved on from him and he had a long,
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  Speaker 3: long career after, but you're right. Besides that, they pretty much...
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  Speaker 3: Linsley had left but signed the biggest deal for a
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  Speaker 3: center I think ever at the time, or one of
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  Speaker 3: the biggest deals. Maybe not ever, but.
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  Speaker 2: He did. He signed the biggest contract in LA. He
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  Speaker 2: was the highest paid center in football. He was there
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  Speaker 2: for a while, but... If capital.
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  Speaker 1: italicized 72-point type if Aaron Banks plays? Does Jagger Burton
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  Speaker 1: start on the right side or Jacob Monk?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Jacob Monk starts. Yeah, Jacob Monk starts. I don't know, Drew,
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  Speaker 2: that I would say that he's the better player, but
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  Speaker 2: I think right now they're for sure lining him up
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  Speaker 2: there and starts. Now, could Jagger Burton get some time?
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was going to get time in week
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  Speaker 2: one and two. This is the team that last year
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  Speaker 2: didn't stop rotating offensive linemen for 12 or 13 weeks.
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  Speaker 2: They were playing almost seven guys. So I anticipated, especially
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  Speaker 2: when Matt LaFleur mentioned it in the preseason and during
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  Speaker 2: training camp and even the OTAs and minicamp before the
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  Speaker 2: pads even came on, like, yeah, this guy's going to
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  Speaker 2: force himself into playing. This guy's going to force himself
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  Speaker 2: playing into games on Sundays. I just anticipated that he
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  Speaker 2: would be rotated in. Maybe they wanted him to get
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  Speaker 2: some softer landing and get to play at home first.
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  Speaker 2: I got bad news for you. When you start planning
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  Speaker 2: on lining up things like that, it never works out.
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  Speaker 2: I think it'll be Monk, but maybe you'll get a
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  Speaker 2: couple of shades of Burton.
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  Speaker 1: Then it's just like, okay, then I think they're just
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  Speaker 1: holding him, waiting for the air banks.
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  Speaker 2: And then a month from now, it'll be Burton.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be to the point where Burton has
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  Speaker 1: to force his way onto the field, and you've got
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  Speaker 1: to put him in One of the spots, right?
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  Speaker 2: But he's going to have to take it, right? And
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  Speaker 2: that's where they're going with. They're not just going to
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  Speaker 2: give the kid the job. And as much as we
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  Speaker 2: know his name and we like them because he might
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  Speaker 2: have been our draft crush coming in, they get to
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  Speaker 2: hear and know how much he knows the plays every
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  Speaker 2: single day. That's the other part of the miscommunication being
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  Speaker 2: we only are looking at it as a physical deal.
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  Speaker 2: The biggest problem that they had in Minnesota was not
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  Speaker 2: knowing where they were going. And that's the part that
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  Speaker 2: we can't judge as much as we like to judge
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  Speaker 2: everything with the film. You can't know who was right
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  Speaker 2: and who was wrong.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is, if Monk is slightly better than Burton now,
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  Speaker 1: but then look at the big picture and the upside,
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  Speaker 1: and I go back to in recent years. Packers, I
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  Speaker 1: was with El Baldo and Butchie, and we had LeFleur on,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a rare, like, yeah, how dumb are
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  Speaker 1: we as coaches? We didn't realize what we had in
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  Speaker 1: Edger and Cooper until halfway through the season. Like, how
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  Speaker 1: dumb are we? And then like last year, it's like
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  Speaker 1: we see in the end of the season playoffs, Matthew golden. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: this kid has been here all year and they could
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  Speaker 1: have been thrown to him and getting it more incorporated.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that they might be doing the same
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  Speaker 1: thing with Jagger Burton. Like let's start the future now. Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's at this juncture. He might not be as good.
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  Speaker 1: And the other guy might be have more practice reps and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, then, then him, but give him the runway
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  Speaker 1: and let's start the future now, because is there any,
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  Speaker 1: can you think of a scheme? Like, can you think of,
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  Speaker 1: Any machination, like, in the universe where Paco Buele and
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Banks are, like, on the team next year, starting,
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  Speaker 1: or even on the team next year?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Zach, I do, just because of the contract. Like,
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  Speaker 2: Zach's contract.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, a second straight patella tendon injury. I just mean, like, physically,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be hard for him to come back
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  Speaker 1: from that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, sure, yeah. I mean, come to some kind of
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  Speaker 2: settlement of an injury thing or something. Yeah, I guess
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about it that way. Maybe I should have.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to give him every chance, but I'm just like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm betting the under.
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  Speaker 3: I guess there's an assumption you just have naturally that
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  Speaker 3: he'll recover.
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  Speaker 2: From an injury, but maybe you're right. But if you
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  Speaker 2: go from a partially torn to then an actually torn one,
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  Speaker 2: I think that might be a different, it might be
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  Speaker 2: a slightly different injury. I know it's the same knee.
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  Speaker 2: And it might have something to do with it. I, I,
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  Speaker 2: I a thousand percent know that they're planning on him
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  Speaker 2: being a part of the team next year. Right? Like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that, that is going to be your planning, but.
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  Speaker 1: You also have to be ready just in case he
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  Speaker 1: is like, in case this is like, you know, we'll
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  Speaker 1: see for sure though. I, I, but banks for sure.
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  Speaker 2: He's gone. Like they made a mistake bringing it back.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that you can though. Again, like if
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  Speaker 2: you guys, you look at the contracts and look at
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  Speaker 2: how much money they guaranteed when they doubled down and
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: move that money off of them, there's a huge dead
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  Speaker 2: cap number that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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  Speaker 2: For him to just be hanging out somewhere else.
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  Speaker 3: So you're just going to try to make it work.
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  Speaker 2: I get you. I mean, as much as you're not
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  Speaker 2: just going to give people jobs for no reason, you're
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  Speaker 2: paying them. You paid them a decent amount of money,
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  Speaker 2: and they doubled down on the contract that way. So, yes,
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  Speaker 2: maybe they do cut them. Maybe they find the $ 18
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  Speaker 2: or $ 19 million that they'll have in dead cat money
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  Speaker 2: and that dead cat money will be better on the
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: offensive line. There's tough spots here that I know people
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: don't like it, but you sometimes have to go back
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  Speaker 2: to a lot that you have because it's the car
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  Speaker 2: that's on the lot. It's the one you bought. You
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  Speaker 2: might not be able to go and drive the other
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: cars because you don't have access to it. And as
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  Speaker 2: much as the $ 19 million would be sweet to go
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  Speaker 2: and spend on somebody else, If you don't have the
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: opportunity to do it, I don't know that they'll be
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: able to. I don't know that you can have $ 30
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: million of dead cap money on the offensive line that's
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: not playing for you.
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why a lot of times, as fans,
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: we do sit there and say, we look at it
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: like commodities. Who can we get out and put in?
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: Let's sign somebody now. Let's fix this problem right away
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: in week one or two, but the reality is Often,
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: and this is the reality in sports that people don't
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: want to realize, it happens in every sport.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: You've got to get better with who's in your room.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: $ 37.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: 8 million dead cap money this year for Aaron Banks.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: $ 26. 2 million of dead cap money in 2027. That's a
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: lot of money. So you've got to get better with
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: who's in your room.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: That's usually the way it works. You've got to figure
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: out a way with the guys in there to make
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: it better.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Paco Buel is at $ 10. 75 million next year for a
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: starting tackle. That's not that much, right?
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: Not a huge one, no. But, I mean, I think
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: his first year of his extension just kicked in this year. So,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're still sitting with.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Didn't they give like, but wasn't the extension like all
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: signing bonus and all that too?
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: Well, that's hard to figure out always. That's always hard
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: to figure out.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Hard to get those machinations. But anyway, they're in flux.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: And the bottom line is, is this the year that
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: you have to dip in and like, you know, they're
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: already compromised with Parsons, but is this the year? With
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: the lack of first-round picks, is this the year that
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: you have to dip in and trade some draft capital
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: to get somebody at the deadline or to get an upgrade?
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: If there are guys out there, then they'll be in
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: the conversation. I would have to go really deep into
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: all of the logs. Cam Robinson got traded and played
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: left tackle. He was a Viking a year or so ago,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: and the results were not all that great. Again, teams
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: aren't parting with good offensive linemen right now because people
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: don't have them. People don't have a ton of them,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: and if you're still waiting for one, it's going to
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: be tougher. $ 18 million on the dead cat money for
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Zach next year. $ 9 million roster bonus, just like Banks
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: is as well. So maybe they do cut him. I
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: don't know. I just think it's a lot of money.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: It's not a given that he's back.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Well, and even if he is, it's a 9- to
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: 12-month rehab, so he'll be on the Parsons program kind
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: of slow walking.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: There's a reason why I was more nervous about him
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: coming back from that injury than any other injury that
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: they had. I mean, you're right. We talked about Tucker
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Kraft quite a bit coming back from an ACL. This
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: is the one that was a lot more intriguing to me.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Halfway through our Wednesday show. halfway through the week hump
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: day i'm.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: So happy the hump day camel is back in in
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: various such a good decision such a good decision by
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: nbc when they fired up that that wednesday night game
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: to bring the camel back and get torico as annoyed
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: as possible they even have the two bluegrass guys on
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: the mini stage they're back too that was good around
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: that was good awesome yeah it's like it's funny because
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: those commercials that you were sick of that come back
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: you like them and now we want to launch uh
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: jason kelsey and his wife into the sun with that
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: sunday with that sunday ticket.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: One we're gonna be the worst host ever.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be at that party and i don't
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: want to see any more from that party pretend party
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: that you think that you would hear more about a
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: kelsey party than a different party than the wedding i
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: mean i mean that's incredible i've heard more about that
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: one than i had about that 1100 person wedding those
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: ndas are strong jason kelsey and his wife are lovely
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: people but uh They're in the brink of being overexposed.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I think we can put them back.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: It happens with anybody that has a popularity about them
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: and then a podcast, and then it's like, oh.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Let's put them everywhere. But Armin, speaking of popularity, this
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: is going to get Armin in the feels.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: And since Dolph is here, I saw a little celebratory
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: post from Ella Langley yesterday because her song, Choose in Texas,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: has now taken over the number one on the Billboard
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Hot 100 for consecutive weeks.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: And it broke the record by Armin's Girl. Mariah Carey
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: for All I Want for Christmas broke the record.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: That's impressive. It is impressive.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: It's one thing to have a hit.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: We're getting to Mariah's season. Mariah did it.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Over several different years. And unfortunately for Ella, Mariah is
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: going to break it again this Christmas.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: I think that song is number one every December for
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: four straight weeks.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Yes. Because we can't think of any new Christmas songs.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: It is. I know. You're right. Because it's the greatest one.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: It's a good song, but you want to talk about overexposure?
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: All we hear is that song all the time. Back
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: in the day, we had Burl Ives and Andy Williams
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: and all these guys doing stuff.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Well, Blue Blaze is trying, but nobody cares about Michael
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Blue Blaze like they do Mariah Carey. We're into covers.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: We don't have patience for new songs when it comes
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: to holidays. Because it's such a short window. It's getting
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: longer every year.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a short 28-month window. But this is about
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Ella Langley. Congrats to Ella. I think it's impressive. Now,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: how many people in country music or any music for
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: that matter, Dolph, are trying to rack their brains trying
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: to find the secret sauce to why that one worked?
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? That is the one. There's
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: been a lot of great songs. It's catchy as hell
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and you don't understand it.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: It is catchy.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: It was co-written by Miranda Lambert, by the way. She's
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: very rich anyway.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Now she's even richer. I don't get it. It's a
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: good song.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Would I have predicted this would be the all-time record
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: breaker on the Billboard Hot 100?
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: No.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: That's the secret sauce that's hard to figure out sometimes.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: You know it's got you know it's got america when
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: it's got my three-year-old randomly just saying drinking jack all
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: by myself so that was that was a little bit
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: that was one that i did have to tell him
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: like buddy that is one song you can't sing it
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: remember my daughter's singing a little nelly hot in here
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take my clothes off.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: But you know what? The thing is.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, my little guy would love that one, right? Yeah,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: no kidding.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: You sing that at school, more likely all the teachers
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: will sing along. I'm in Target, and it's on, and
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: everyone's singing. I'm like, man, this is really... And it's...
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: To me, it's a very older country song, like an
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: older time country western.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: More people yearning for that. Now, are we going to
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: see artists trying to go back to that country western?
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: You are seeing that, even in mainstream country, which is
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: what we play in FM 106. You're hearing more steel guitar.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: You have guys like Zach Topp. Parker McCollum kind of
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: throwback to 90s country. I'm not mad about that.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Let's get some Alan Jackson and Travis Tritt back.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Zach Topp does that.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: You're not going to see a throwback to Hank Williams Sr., 1950s,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: here in my beer type stuff, when it was country
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: and western. But you are seeing kind of a resurgence
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: of old school country right now.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Now, is this one going to be competing? Now, choosing Texas.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: What about the Boston song? That's the next one that
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: feels like it's absolutely everywhere.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: What's it called?
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Boston. It's called Boston. Now, the young lady who,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Armin wouldn't like this because we're just having a conversation
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: about people with their parental units and well-funded situations. Her
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: dad is the owner of Groupon, the lady that's fired
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: up this one. Yeah, that's right.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Stella Lefty. It's her name. Born and raised in the
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: north suburbs of Chicago. She grew up in Winnetka, Wilmette. Yeah,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: one of the Newtrier schools.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Newtrier, very country.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that? Are you kidding me?
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: What, is she from Winnetka?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: She is. She just said Winnetka, yeah. Winnetka, Wilmette, one
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: of those.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: No, I respect it. You know what? It's like Jessica Pagula.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: She didn't have to become a great tennis player, but
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: she did. I'm not, Billy thinks I'm salty about it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily salty. I just like to comment about it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: You know, there was a time in country music where
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: everybody seemed to be from down south.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: It ain't that way anymore. No, no, no, no, no.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: It's a genre anyone can pick up, right? The Pacific
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: Northwest is the hot spot right now. You've got a
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: lot of big names. Tucker Wetmore and Zach Topp coming
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: out of that area.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: If you're singing about something, if you're putting pen to
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: paper about people's feelings and they can relate to your writing,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: we saw it with Taylor. It doesn't matter where you're from,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: what you do, how you sound.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: People like it, you know?
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Taylor Swift grew up on a Christmas tree farm in Pennsylvania.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Maggie and Georgia hit us on the talking text line
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and said, I was going to ask you about Ella.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Are you all Ella fellas? I think she's awesome. Oh,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: she's great. I think she's great.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: She's reached the point in celebrity where people are going back, well,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: she's had work done or she had like, the other
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: night I roll in and my wife was watching a
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Yellowstone episode and it was like a, a band playing
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and it was like Lainey Wilson.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And she's like, yeah. I'm like, I said, is that
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Lainey Wilson? She goes, yeah.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Before Ozempic. She had, she was thick. She had a
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: five episode run. They actually worked her into the script.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: She was, you know, Zach Bryan played Yellowstone too, but
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: he was just playing a county fair.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Lainey had a role. She was a character. She was
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: dating one of the ranch hands on Yellowstone. Oh, she's
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: in the show.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And that's what my wife was saying. And she's like, yeah,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that's her pre-Olympic. You might not recognize her. I'm like, well,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: she was famous. She was famous for a certain asset.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, now maybe I'll have to
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: go watch. Okay, now we're talking.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can see what it used to look like.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: But Ella Langley's in that role where now people are like, oh,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: she's had work done. She's had lip fillers. She's had Botox. Well,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: she even said in one of her posts, she said, like,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: who needs Botox when you've got.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Bangs, right?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, that works, yeah, for sure.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're old enough to remember what a young
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Linda Ronstadt looked like, she kind of resembles her. She's
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: also the new Morgan Wallen where everybody wants to record
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: with her. I think she has four songs on the
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: charts right now with Morgan. with Coetzee. She's all over
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: the place.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: We got introduced to Ella from our guy Dave Gasper
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, maybe a year and a
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: half ago. She had the song about buying a young
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: man a beer that she was just very interested in. Oh, yeah,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: with Riley Green.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: He was an early investor.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Our boy Dave Gasper, a very early investor, because I
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: think there were like every single night, just about every
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: man thought that that was going to actually happen to her.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: These countries do a leap up. No doubt about it.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: It's like when you win a Kentucky Derby, everybody wants
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: a piece of the horse.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Not for nothing, having a brunette country star is kind
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: of a change of pace, isn't it?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Because aren't they usually all blondes?
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I can tell you, I've never thought I would see
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: the day that country music would be so strongly influenced
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: by female artists.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Because for the longest time, we weren't.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: And now it's amazing to see who's up there on
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: the charts and who's selling the most records, and it's females.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: So Marcus in Iowa, another one of the Iowans that
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I really enjoy, he said both types, country and western.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: When was that line delineated, and when did they just
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: become together for a beautiful union? It was way before me.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: I think the early 70s is when that term went
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: away officially in country music.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: To just being country music.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Although, you know, so when you think of Western music,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: what would it be like old Marty Robbins?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't even know.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: You know better than us.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I can't even think of an example.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: The Cowboy songs like Gene Autry and Roy Rogers way, way,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: way back. Yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: That is awesome. Yeah. Country and Western.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: But the Blues Brothers is where, when I think of
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: that line where, they walked into a bar and they
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: wanted a gig and what kind of music play?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, we have both kinds here, country and Western. That's
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: all I remember it from. So I'm just glad that
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: that's where it ultimately ended. Bob's country bunker. Bob's country bunker.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: No, if your instinct was correct, in the 70s, the
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Western tag, this is according to AI, I guess, the
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Western tag faded away completely as musical styles blended and
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: the distinct cowboy persona became less central to mainstream national production.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: All right, well. There you go.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Dolph and I, we can have an entire– like we
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: could have a whole case of beer and I could
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: give you my dissertation about country music veering when Mutt
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Lang and Shania Twain teamed up.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. That was game-changing.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Because then it was– it went to like the high
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: harmonies and the big arena rock guitar type stuff.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: That woman to me, like Shania Twain's hits were Mutt
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Lang who also in his past– He like took ACDC
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: from a pub band to an arena, like rock, you know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and Def Leppard. And he brought that. And then it became,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: it shapeshifted that. That was to me a turning point
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: in country music.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: It did.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: As Steve Earle said, it ain't country music unless you're
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: singing about killing people. Then it had this like sheen.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: It had this sheen and like.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: KB always calls Nashville, what does he call it, Daytona
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: with a belt buckle.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I like that. Yep, that works. That's funny.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: That was a turning point in the music, and then
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: we got this poppy, and then it was the bro country.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: That was the gateway to a lot of things.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: And what's funny, Drew, is every generation, especially if you're
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: diehard in country music, there's somebody who will tell you
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: that happened in every generation. I remember Johnny Cash telling
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: a story where he was almost blackballed because he had
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: too much edge for country music in his era. I
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: remember people lost their minds during the urban cowboy craze
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: of the late seventies, early eighties, because then they thought
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: it was too pop with, you know, that, that soundtrack
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: had Bonnie raid on Charlie Daniels. Imagine thinking Charlie Daniels
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: was too rock for country.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Right. Back then.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Then who the biggest artist became, you know, the Kenny
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Chesney's of the world that did like the beach kind
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: of country thing going on.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the Buffett influence.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Although his first hit was like, she thinks my tractor's sexy.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: It was one of his first big ones.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: You can't get more country than that, I guess.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: That's true. And then, well, there was a time when
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Dwight Yoakam was like the outcast. Yeah. You're right.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Dwight Yoakam was a dude who was opening for punk
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: bands in L.A. And he had a sound that nobody
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: ever really heard a lot before when he broke out.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: When he broke out, yeah. Yeah. So it's just fascinating.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Guitarist Cadillac. Dwight Yoakam is one. These pictures are phenomenal.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I need to... I need more of these history lessons
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: just to see some of these outfits. Highly underrated actor.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I love him as an actor.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: You want to see good Dwight Yoakam, check out Sling
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Blade or Panic Room.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: That's another good role by him. Seems like an interesting
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: dude to hang with, too. The stories and the whole Bakersfield,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: him and Buck Owens. But also see him in Cary,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: North Carolina coming up tomorrow night.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Really? At the Coca Booth Amphitheater. Dwight still plays Milwaukee regularly. Yeah.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: He's no Phil Vassar in this town, but he draws
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: a crowd. Phil Vassar's the one. You know he's going
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: to be sitting there. Oh, he's going to be at
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the Emerald Queen Casino in Vegas? Oh, my goodness. Let's go.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: He was playing Resorts World at one point. My goodness.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Emerald Queen Resorts World.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Holy cow.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Dwight. Just absolutely wild. All right.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: So, Dolph, with the Packers playing tomorrow, as a Bears fan,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you watch because you live here and you're an NFL guy.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: But are you hate watching?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Are you secretly hoping that the Packers lose to help
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the Bears in the standings? I wonder what's the mindset
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: when you watch a Packers game? Is it just you're neutral?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: No, of course not. I want them to lose, obviously,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: as a Bears fan.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: That's totally fair.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I would respect you if you didn't say that.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I would expect the same thing from Packers fans when
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: the Bears are playing.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Case Keenum could be the guy, right?
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Tyson Bajan in concussion protocol. It's going to be interesting
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: to see what the Falcons got, especially with Pennix playing
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: for the first time.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a huge unknown. Man, if they can throw
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: the football to Drake London, that's going to be the
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: biggest thing. He has got seven catches, I think, on
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the season. That's just embarrassing. I think he had two
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: targets on Sunday or something. And the biggest thing that
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: he was targeting was trying to fight some guy in
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: the crowd more than anything. Is that line right, Billy?
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Five and a half? Do you think that's... I thought
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I saw five and a half. Is that accurate? It
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: was sitting at seven last night. It's a title of
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: sports book. It has been bet down to five and
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: a half now. Okay. And I could see it going
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: even more in the direction of the Atlanta Falcons. Really?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you the full on the line
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: with the Pottawatomie Sportsbook coming up tomorrow.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Perfect.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Before the game, for the day of the game, so
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: you can get to the Pottawatomie Sportsbook and make that play.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I think it's... Is it because of Michael
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Penix that people are starting to, Oh, Hey, let's put
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: some money on the Falcon.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: They have looked so inept that they can't get worse
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: at court. That's why I'm wondering whether they were the
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: worst quarterback football team in football for the first two weeks.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Who was the quarterback? Uh, Cooper rush, Cooper rush,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Cooper rush and Jack Strand, who we're not going to put,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: we're not going to blame the Bloomer product. All right. Bloomer, Wisconsin,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: stand up for Jack Strand. He's a sweet young man
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: and he's going to have a long career in this league.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: If he can run the football like he did, but
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, he, You can't have guys dropping the ball
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: and then it being a pick six. That is going
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: to be a tough way for Jack Strand to live.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: I also think the Packers have inspired much confidence for better.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Talk about the line and stuff like that. That's another
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: factor as well. They had to escape against the Jets.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: So it's interesting to me, too. I thought it'd be
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: closer to seven, and it was there for a while.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: We get to make the sweeping assumptions of just watching
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: two weeks. Packers strike you as a bit of an
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: under and a field goal win theme. From the first
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: two weeks. Like, feels like they're going to have to
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: win a lot of their games potentially by three to
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: ten points. Defense and special teams the way they did.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Defense and special teams feel like they're going to be
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the recipe going forward. And that generally signals unders. So,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Penix is back. And, you know.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: It's gotten so bad for Atlanta that they're almost like
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: hoping that Tua.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Gets healthy and that they can use him.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: That's how bad it is. That is bad.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: But they've had, they've scored 16 points in two games.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: They were down to their four stringer, the kid from Bloomer,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and they've played two games and not had a snap
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: in the red zone on offense, which is a stunning stat.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: So the first time they reached the red zone, it's
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: going to be like a breakthrough for them.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: They might throw a party. That is really rough. If
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: they score a tutty that way, my God.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's, and then, well, they also, and Billy
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: and I were talking off the air, Job one for
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: the Packers to keep Jordan Love upright with a makeshift
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: offensive line and keep Zedarius Smith out of the backfield,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: keep him from celebrating at Lambeau.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Because he's got a couple of them queued up. He
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: got Aaron Rodgers a couple times, right?
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: He did.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: He did. And I think the only tour of duty
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: he hasn't done in the NFC North is with the Bears. Yeah,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: that's right. He'll have to play a couple of weeks
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: with Atlanta, look good, and then by the deadline get
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: traded to the Bears. Bears could use him. Although, I'll
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: say this.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Since the first half of the Carolina game, the Bears'
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: defense has been adequate. Now, granted, they were aided by
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: miserable weather on Sunday against the Vikings. But, you know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: they've given up, I think, 22 points in the last
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: six quarters, which... After that first half in Carolina, I thought, oh,
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: my God, this might be an historically bad defense. And
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: the Bears have had some historically bad defenses, you think,
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: back to the Mark Trestman days.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Can we go back to those? What's Trestman doing nowadays?
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: I would hope he's retired.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Selling insurance?
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: The mad genius. The mad scientist. He was a legend
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: in the Canadian Football League.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: He was a great coach in the Canadian Football League.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: He is back with the Montreal Alouettes. He is?
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I believe.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: As stunning as that stat is, and I was talking
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to Wayne yesterday. Wayne's like, never seen a stat like that.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Two games, and you don't take a snap in the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: red zone.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: That's unheard of. It's pretty incredible.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: That can't continue.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: But the Packers, the stat that's glaring for them is
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: how abysmal they are, and especially Sunday on third down.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: One for nine on third down, and you win the game.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: And it's... We were talking about it's all predicated because
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: they're not getting anything out of the running game and
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: they're not getting it out of first down.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: So it seems like every second down is even worse.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, show me any quarterback in any
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: offense that's going to thrive on third and 13.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Would it be better with Josh Jacobs? Would it be better?
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, a thousand percent better. And Josh Jacobs turns the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Packers red zone trips from field goals into touchdowns many
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: times because of the yards he chews up.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: And And it'll get even better than when the Indianapolis
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Colts hopefully lose three more games consecutively. They drop to 0-5,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: and they start figuring out, like, man, we're in a
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: bad spot here. We might as well just trade Jonathan Taylor.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Trade JT. We might as well just get rid of him,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: get a second-round pick, and send him to Green Bay.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: NFL trades like that.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Are so unknown, aren't they? You just don't see them
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: happening that often.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: We don't. But when they do, it'll be electric when
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: JT23 is running to Green Bay.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: No doubt.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: So, Billy, what is the prescription? What do you do?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Like, we've got to get better on third down. Well,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you've got to be better on first and second down. Well,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: and this is going to be the one that people
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: don't want to do. You've got to run the ball.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: You've got to be able.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: To run the football. You have to run the ball
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: for more than two yards. Right, but the thing is
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: about running the ball, you have to be able to
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: live with the two-yard gains because at some point it is, one,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: a change-up to not letting guys pin their ears back
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: and rush it for 45, 50 times a game. It
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: gives somewhat an illusion for linebackers to come up and
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: then allow Tucker Craft and Matthew Golden to get some
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: of those intermediate passes that people want to see on
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: second and third down. Because if you're not going to
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: be able to run it, all these sweet RPOs that
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: they have built in, they're just going to beg you
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: to run the ball. So as tough as it is,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: they're going to have to get better on the ground
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: to be a better offense. It's just a fact. They're
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: not going to throw it 80%.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Dolph and I are going to go back to the
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: 70s and 80s. We want more screens and quarterback draws.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I like.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Quarterback draw, I will not be interested in. The screens,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I love the idea.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: It's an ever-changing league. Maybe it's time for the run-and-shoot
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: to come back.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Hey, there you go.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Bring back the old K-gun. They ran that in Buffalo.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Run-and-shoot yourself in the foot.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: The K-gun.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: That was basically run-and-shoot, basically.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And Love is good at kind of getting away from
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: pressure and extending plays, but they don't generally roll them
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: out a lot. They don't generally design rollouts a lot.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: No, they haven't moved the pocket a ton. They could
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: definitely do that a little bit onto the roll. They
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: generally only do that on fourth down around the goal line,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: which is always the best. Roll it off to the
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: right and shorten the field by 50%. You've got to
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: keep him upright at all costs.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: And keep coming with the runs to the short side.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: And the Don't worry, once C.B.L. Williams comes back.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: There you go, now you're talking. Dolph, thanks for hanging
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: out with us. It's halftime.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: The Baumgartner has a recap for us of the Brewers'
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: loss last night. Interesting game. Brewers lose, but also clinch
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: a first-round buy, so it wasn't a total wasted evening.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Take it away, Hunter. Thanks, guys.
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: The Brewers fall to the Philadelphia Phillies 6-4 last night,
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: but the Braves fall to the Reds, so the Brewers
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: clinch a first round bye. So, for the second straight season,
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: they will not be playing in the wildcard round.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: That is big.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Game one of the NLDS in Milwaukee, Saturday, October 3rd.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: We'll know the.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Time probably a few days before that date. But that
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: is the best news of the night. Also good news,
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Colton Gordon with five innings, just two earned runs.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: That was huge.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: I know he gave up the runs in the eighth
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: inning when the game was tied, but he absolutely saved
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: that bullpen, and you have a really fresh bullpen heading
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: into tomorrow. Plus, you just want to save these guys
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: as much as you can as you head down this
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: final week of the season. So the Brewers might have lost,
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: but there are some positives from last night. Dustin May,
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: just two innings. Kyle Harrison, one inning. The plan was
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: for Dustin May to get two innings. Unfortunately, he gives
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: up that home run and a couple of walks in there,
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: not looking as solid as you probably want. But Pat
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Murphy's saying after the game that he still trusts him,
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: and it's looking like he may be that Game 3
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: starter just based on his experience. Chris Hook telling Adam
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: McAlvey of LB.com that... They kind of throw out the
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: regular season when a guy like Dustin May is able
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: to take the mound because he has been in the
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: postseason before. So we'll see how this all pans out.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: Game 2 in Philly coming up tonight. 540 first pitch,
• 37:18
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