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Pete & Tony Review Week 9 Performance vs. Eagles | Jaguars Happy Hour · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 2: Busy two hours ahead as we recap the Eagles over
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  Speaker 2: the Jaguars in Week nine, twenty eight, twenty three. Offensive inconsistency,
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  Speaker 2: Let's say we'll dig into that coming up defense showed
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  Speaker 2: some fight but had key lapses in big moments in
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  Speaker 2: the game. We've heard that before, keeping it real as always.
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  Speaker 2: In seg Or Hour number two, we'll get to that fanatics,
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  Speaker 2: fan questions, We'll go around the football league as well.
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  Speaker 2: Lots to get to with Pete and Tony, But first
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  Speaker 2: let's hear from head coach Doug Peterson after the game
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  Speaker 2: in Philadelphia on the team battling adversity and their resiliency.
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  Speaker 3: You know, a resilient group. Hats off. I mean some
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  Speaker 3: guys played played banged up. I mean Brandon shurf. My
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  Speaker 3: hat's off to him. He played, He played hurt all game,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and Tom goes back in the game, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's just it's it's that time of the year, right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, guys are gonna be Guys are gonna be sore,
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  Speaker 3: Guys are gonna be hurting. But my hat's off to
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  Speaker 3: those guys for, you know, for hanging in there.
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  Speaker 2: That's the head coach after the game. More from Doug
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  Speaker 2: Peterson today in his Monday press conference coming up a
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  Speaker 2: little bit later on the show CBS Sports senior writer
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  Speaker 2: Pete Prisco and Hall of Fame left tackle Tony Basselli.
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  Speaker 2: He's winning us now, Good afternoon, gentlemen, now too, and
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  Speaker 2: seven and three weeks to Thanksgiving. Pete, here, we.
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  Speaker 4: Are a lot. He's not starting the show.
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  Speaker 5: Now, let's hold on, why are why are Why am
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  Speaker 5: I not starting the show?
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  Speaker 4: Because I said so that doesn't matter, Yeah it does. So,
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  Speaker 4: first of all, we'll get to tune seven. We'll get
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  Speaker 4: to Pete losing his mind about play calling. We'll get
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  Speaker 4: to Nick Sirianni maybe being the management coach.
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  Speaker 5: My entire must be something in the water in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 4: The only reason that we're chancelated because he was like
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  Speaker 4: was afraid to kick chip shot, field goals and extra points.
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  Speaker 4: Setting all that asud I want to I was thinking
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  Speaker 4: about this last night and most of a lot of today,
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  Speaker 4: and then Doug just said it. That was that was
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  Speaker 4: a bad football game and we were lucky to be
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  Speaker 4: there at the end, and it's unfortunately we couldn't take
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  Speaker 4: advantage of it with that set And that's a I'm
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  Speaker 4: just speak at the on the both lines of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 4: That's two physical groups for the Eagles, offensive defensive lines
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  Speaker 4: physical and we were beat up, especially on that offensive line.
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  Speaker 4: And and I want to give it, I got much
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  Speaker 4: respect for Brandon Sheriff because that dude is on one leg,
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  Speaker 4: he has all kinds of injuries, and he was playing
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  Speaker 4: against one of the most violent, physical young players in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL, Jalen Carter, and he was matched up a
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  Speaker 4: lot of times one on one with him. And I'll
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  Speaker 4: say this, I think Brandon Sheriff played one hell of
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  Speaker 4: a game. Like I was worried because knowing Brandon was
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  Speaker 4: beat up, that Jalen could just ruin this like just
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  Speaker 4: it would get get tough. And I don't know how
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  Speaker 4: he did it because I know some of the stuff
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  Speaker 4: he's dealing with and the fact that he went out
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  Speaker 4: there and battled the way he did, and I thought
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  Speaker 4: he played well. Pete.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he got beat a couple of different times,
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  Speaker 5: but he fought though.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of times.
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  Speaker 4: But it was late, It wasn't It was never like
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  Speaker 4: you were.
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  Speaker 5: Like an shoot into the gap and throw me. No,
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  Speaker 5: that was like he got off of him a couple
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  Speaker 5: of times in place, but like, but he.
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  Speaker 4: Fought like just battle. I mean, I I can't tell
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  Speaker 4: which I enjoyed and like just as an offensive lineman
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  Speaker 4: having played hurt, going through that playing good players and
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  Speaker 4: to watch him battle like that. I got so much
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  Speaker 4: respect for Brandon Sheriff, Like Pete and I we over
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  Speaker 4: the years of question like you know this, you know
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  Speaker 4: whatever two point maybe not to horizontal, not whatever. Let
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  Speaker 4: me tell you what tip of the cat the Brandon Sheriff,
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  Speaker 4: because that's a pros pro and that dude loves ball.
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  Speaker 5: Which is why why is in the starting lineup, by
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  Speaker 5: the way, and that's why he is like he is.
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  Speaker 5: That was is a good above average guard. No, but
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  Speaker 5: he's a tough, physical guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yesterday he's not.
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  Speaker 5: But he's not. That's not that he was. I said
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  Speaker 5: that yesterday he was good. He had hasn't been. He
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  Speaker 5: hasn't don't.
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  Speaker 4: Watch other guards try to block that kid.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, but he hasn't been above average guard.
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  Speaker 4: And then the second thing I'll say is I am
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  Speaker 4: disappointed for Cooper Hodges. And we'll get into a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Cooper Hodges needed to run on his pass walking like
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  Speaker 4: the twist game still got him. He was off kilter
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  Speaker 4: a little bit. But that dude moves people, yep. And
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  Speaker 4: he that big old Jordan Davis. Why like he's like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't care how big guard he moved him, Like
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  Speaker 4: Cooper Hodges is physical. And the fact that and I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if they've reported how bad that he is,
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  Speaker 4: it did not look good. Yeah, I knew he's done
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  Speaker 4: for the year, but I don't know the severity of it,
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  Speaker 4: Like what what's the impact for next year? But that's
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  Speaker 4: a loss because that's a good that's a good young
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  Speaker 4: football player, not saying perfect, not saying great, but a
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  Speaker 4: guy that you could build would have a chance to
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  Speaker 4: be a good starter this league.
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  Speaker 5: You know what, he is a rich Tilski like Pete.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a great comparison to hard nos physical. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so I just wanted to say those two things we're
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  Speaker 4: gonna beat like, we're gonna get in. We're gonna be
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  Speaker 4: critical as we should be. That was like, that was
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  Speaker 4: a that was a pathetic offensive performance for two and
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  Speaker 4: a half quarters. Had thirty one yards one one uh
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  Speaker 4: one first down in the first.
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  Speaker 5: Half the second lowist since you played.
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  Speaker 4: Yep game Packers game national television. We had eighteen yards
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  Speaker 4: and no first downs yep. But we scored fourteen points
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  Speaker 4: in the second half feet that game. So we'll get
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  Speaker 4: into all that. But I just as a guy, and
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  Speaker 4: Doug said it, I've been I actually been thinking about
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  Speaker 4: it all day. I just I got a lot of
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  Speaker 4: respect for guys who do what Brandon Sheriff. He wasn't
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  Speaker 4: the only one who's playing here. By the way, Brian
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  Speaker 4: Thomas Junior was beat up number.
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  Speaker 5: Of guys on the field. I didn't see him.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get I'll get into that. That's coming up.
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  Speaker 4: Trevor. We don't know what's going on, but he came
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  Speaker 4: out late at halftime. Everyone saw that, so who knows
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  Speaker 4: what's going on there? He fought through, you know when
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  Speaker 4: you're down twenty two to nothing on the road and
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  Speaker 4: you're two and sixteen.
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  Speaker 5: I thought they would pack it.
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  Speaker 4: Up pretty easy to lay it down. And I've seen
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  Speaker 4: guys done it. I've seen guys do it before in
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  Speaker 4: the past. Just say I've had enough. Tap out and
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  Speaker 4: they didn't do it. That says I saw.
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  Speaker 5: I saw that last week. I saw the group of guys.
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  Speaker 5: I saw it last week in Tennessee when they went
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  Speaker 5: to Detroit. They tapped out at halftime. This team didn't
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  Speaker 5: tap out. I was real, I'll be honest with you.
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  Speaker 5: I was very surprised they didn't tap out.
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  Speaker 4: Now, they got it. They got a big break with
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  Speaker 4: this Sakwon Barkley fumble, But you know what, that's football.
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  Speaker 5: But they had scored. They had scored to get the
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  Speaker 5: you know with him and make it a decent chance
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  Speaker 5: that they could come back. So you got to give
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  Speaker 5: them credit for that. They had the pass interference penalty
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  Speaker 5: that helped set them up late. But but the bottom
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  Speaker 5: line is they didn't quit. And I thought all along,
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  Speaker 5: I said it all week. I said they'd pack it
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  Speaker 5: up and go home if they got blown out early,
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  Speaker 5: and they didn't, I was wrong. I can sit here
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  Speaker 5: and say I was wrong. Now, there are a lot
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  Speaker 5: of other things that criticize them about. There are a
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  Speaker 5: lot of things to criticize everybody about. But they didn't quit,
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  Speaker 5: and I think that's that's important.
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  Speaker 4: We have an hour and fifty two minutes to do that, Pete.
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  Speaker 5: But I think lave me. I got a lot of
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  Speaker 5: it right here in the old notebook over here. You
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  Speaker 5: know how I jotted down from the tape. You guys
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  Speaker 5: love when I pulled the notebook out right here.
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  Speaker 2: See it right, oh, the little black book the Pete has.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Yeah, I just think it's important to recognize when
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  Speaker 4: guys dude stuff like it's it's a hard game and
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  Speaker 4: that's a hard place to play, and that's a good
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  Speaker 4: that's a good Eagles team, not great, good good.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So now that aside.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna to the meeting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's kind of lean on the defense a
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  Speaker 2: little bit here. We're gonna get into the offense a
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  Speaker 2: little bit later and the issues of the first half
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  Speaker 2: and starting slow again and then you know, just the
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  Speaker 2: turnovers and things that go with that. But defensively, they're
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  Speaker 2: going up against Jalen Hurts and Saquon Barkley and Barkley
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  Speaker 2: went into the game with thirty two percent of the
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  Speaker 2: scrimmage yards for the Eagles this year, the most of
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  Speaker 2: any player of any team in the NFL. And he
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  Speaker 2: comes out with one hundred and ninety nine more scrimmage
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  Speaker 2: yards in the game and two total touchdowns and highlight
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  Speaker 2: plays and things to go with it. That's one thing
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  Speaker 2: you knew he was probably gonna get his That's just
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  Speaker 2: how he plays. But this defense, guys had lapses in
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  Speaker 2: big moments. Again, third and seventeen, at the nineteen, he
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  Speaker 2: runs it in for a touchdown. Third and long pass
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  Speaker 2: to Devonte Smith for a touchdown. Another big play to
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  Speaker 2: DeVante Smith for forty six yards. So this sounds like
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  Speaker 2: a broken record. Big plays, big moments. This defense can't
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  Speaker 2: hang with him.
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  Speaker 5: The third and seventeen draw is inexcusable.
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  Speaker 4: I would agree with that. The bigger thing I have
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  Speaker 4: an issue with Pete's giving up two urn in thirty
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  Speaker 4: seven yards of rushing like he just you're not gonna
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  Speaker 4: win football games giving up yard like that, And well.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, sixty of it was the quarterback, But you're right,
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  Speaker 5: I don't care.
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  Speaker 4: I'm with you.
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  Speaker 5: I'm with you.
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  Speaker 4: In like thirty seven.
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  Speaker 5: He doesn't even get touched on that play.
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  Speaker 4: No untouched.
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  Speaker 5: And I thought it was Savage's fault that it popped
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  Speaker 5: to the outside.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, I don't know whose fault was.
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  Speaker 5: I can see. I watched the tape over and over again.
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  Speaker 5: He looks like he gets caught and he needs to
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  Speaker 5: be on the outside to kind of rein him in.
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  Speaker 5: But it and a Lua Khan got blocked. You can
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  Speaker 5: play that play over again. He got blocked. But watch Savage,
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  Speaker 5: he comes running inside there out there. Yeah, so I look,
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  Speaker 5: you know me, I like to point fingers, and I'll
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  Speaker 5: point a finger or two if I have to.
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  Speaker 4: Well, here's here's an I got. I received this. I
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  Speaker 4: guess on average, the average NFL team this year allows
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  Speaker 4: opposing offenses to convert about eight percent of the time
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  Speaker 4: on third and fifteen and more. The Jaguars have allowed
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  Speaker 4: opposing offenses to get a first down or a touchdown
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  Speaker 4: thirty nine percent of the time in those situations, which
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  Speaker 4: is the worst mark in football.
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  Speaker 5: Some of that is lack of pass rush, you know that.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a lot of things, Bete. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, now, I'm hoping this is correct. It was
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  Speaker 4: sent by someone I trust, so I believe that this
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  Speaker 4: is a correct numbers. BottomLine is this team is not
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  Speaker 4: getting off the field enough. And like I remember sitting
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  Speaker 4: there watching the game and I was like, hey, defense
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  Speaker 4: is playing pretty good. But then I think about it
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  Speaker 4: looking back, if Siriani just kicks extra points, it's twenty
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  Speaker 4: four to nothing.
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  Speaker 5: What was he doing? What is he doing?
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  Speaker 4: If he takes the two field goals, I think thirty
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  Speaker 4: to nothing?
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  Speaker 5: Well, it also, you're up six late in the game,
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  Speaker 5: take a field goal to go up nine.
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  Speaker 4: Well there's another I mean, like little thing that. My
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  Speaker 4: point is the offense was so bad, and yes, the
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  Speaker 4: defense didto some good things. I thought Josh Allen Hinds
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  Speaker 4: Allen played good.
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  Speaker 5: I agree.
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  Speaker 4: I thought Tray Bond was physical in the run. Tough
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  Speaker 4: matchup in the past. I mean, Lane Johnson's the best
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  Speaker 4: tackle in football, probably second best. Okay, together, there were
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  Speaker 4: pretty dang good I thought. I thought Tyson Campbell played
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  Speaker 4: pretty well.
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  Speaker 5: I thought Hamilton had a couple of plays and.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I thought Hamilton had a couple of nice plays, and.
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  Speaker 2: He was really good on those two point plays. On
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  Speaker 2: the push plays.
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  Speaker 5: He blew those somebody, he knifed in and made a
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  Speaker 5: made a play of the run game behind a lot
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  Speaker 5: of scrimmage. He made a call, he got off a
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  Speaker 5: couple of blocks and came down the line and was
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  Speaker 5: in on a couple of run plays. So he did
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  Speaker 5: a couple of things. It was like, I'm saying, he's
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  Speaker 5: dominating the game, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it, but like stopping the Tousch push twice.
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  Speaker 4: But if you look at the whole body of work,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you gave up twenty eight points and two
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  Speaker 4: hundred and thirty seven yards of rushing offense, and it
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  Speaker 4: could have been a lot worse if you weren't playing,
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  Speaker 4: if you were playing any other coach besides next Sirianni
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  Speaker 4: and so I don't think the defense was the issue.
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  Speaker 4: The big issue in this game is that we continue
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  Speaker 4: to start It's a third straight game that we have
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  Speaker 4: started down ten to nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Like our offense is.
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  Speaker 4: So inept at the beginning of the games. And I'm
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  Speaker 4: the script, I'm gonna say something that I can't believe.
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna say, oh boy, this should be good.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 4: Pete Prisco might be right. Maybe they should just start
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  Speaker 4: the game two minute and just go wow.
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  Speaker 5: Because can we clip that and save that?
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  Speaker 4: Because the only time this offense has got anything going
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  Speaker 4: when they're desperate, and there's desperation.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we've got to leave that hanging. We'll come
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  Speaker 2: back and dig into this.
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  Speaker 5: Ab I love that. I love that. That's the best
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  Speaker 5: I've ever heard of this show coming out of his mouth.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to dig into this when we come back,
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  Speaker 2: because we want the full answer from Tony, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 6: Got fighting, resilient and it's tough. You know, we can
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  Speaker 6: find a way to get back in the game and
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  Speaker 6: you have an opportunity and it finishes that way. But
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  Speaker 6: I'm really super proud to be a part of that
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  Speaker 6: group and got a lot of fight and we just
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  Speaker 6: gotta just gotta find a way to finish these games.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we've we've had so many one school games
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  Speaker 6: that haven't gone our way because some plays down the
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  Speaker 6: stretch and it's tough.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. Hey, let's let's get into this offense.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 2: We just heard from the quarterback there with the slow
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  Speaker 2: starts thirty one yards in the first half one first down,
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  Speaker 2: which was the opening drive of the by the way,
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  Speaker 2: and and to your point, they Tony, you brought this
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  Speaker 2: up for the break. You think they should go tempo quicker,
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  Speaker 2: quicker tempo earlier in the game. But Doug Peterson talked
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  Speaker 2: about that today. It's like, well, that's great, but you
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  Speaker 2: better get some yards on first down. Are you gonna
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  Speaker 2: go tempo on second and thirteen? Like what there's a
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  Speaker 2: balance there, Well, what's the.
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  Speaker 5: Difference between tempo and second and thirteen and second and nine.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you're hustling up there.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know that was coming JP. I agree with
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: I actually agree with Doug and me saying what I
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: said was showing my desperation. I'm like, I don't like
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: they are they need to finger something out, and that's
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: why I said, maybe Pete's right, maybe like open it
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: up and go. I mean, at this point, what do
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: you have to lose? You you're two and seven.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Well, and then here's the other thing, Tony. So they
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: spent last week game planning and let's see, in a
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: key situation on the goal line, we're gonna throw and
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: is sow to our running back out of the backfield,
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: who happens to be our third team back, who doesn't
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: even run through the play. So they came that they
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: came up with, but they can't come up with something
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: to move the ball in the first half way. What
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: are we doing here?
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Well, let's say that last play because I didn't love
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: the play call either, but it is what it is.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: So I'm saying is that if that's their answer to
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: that play call they put it in last week, then
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: clearly they're thinking about trying things and doing things. Well,
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: try something in the first half. It isn't working in
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: the first half, so why not play faster and loose
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: An attack and put somebody on their heels early in
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: the game.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: But Pete, I think they are trying some of the
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: first half it's not working. They couldn't run it an inch.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Well, okay, then then clearly you got to do something
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: to try and get it going. Tony. If if what
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: you're doing isn't working and you continue to do it,
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: that's insanity.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Pete, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying I actually like,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to ride the fencer. I agree with you,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: and I agree with Duck because if you go out
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: there and play fast, you're gonna be out there for
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: thirty seconds in the defense, who, by the way, isn't
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: exactly the eighty five Bears. It's gonna be on the
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: field even more than they already are.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: So so getting thirty one yards in the first half
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: the way you did it is okay, No.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: It's not. That's what I'm saying.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: They've got to change it. You gotta change it to go.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: He always goes back to the coach who's scared of
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: his own shadows sometimes, and I'm not just talking about Doug.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about around the league. If you go in
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: with the attitude that if you play fast, you're gonna
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: be in second and thirteen. Then you're going with the
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: attitude that you can't complete a pass on the first
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: down play. That's the attitude you're going in with. Well
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: that's a failure right there. Then you failed. Your whole
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: attitude going into that means you failed. So that's what
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: I'm saying. When you hear play that. Do we have
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: that clip? It might make me throw up on my shoes, okay,
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: because it's an awful way to go into a situation.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: You don't agree with me on that, Tony. If he's
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: going in saying, well we could be in second and thirteen,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: then you're automatically assuming you fail on the first down play.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: But I think what he's saying is they've started slow.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: And this is why, Pete, I'm trying to agree with
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: you and you're being in real pain in my ass.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Just to be clear, you're not.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Agreeing with me. You know what you're doing right now,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: You're doing a Tony Boselli classic fence straddling right. I
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: am not.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Let me be crystal clear. I think they should come
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: out fast this week. I think there's all kinds of
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: risks around it because this team has been inept on
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: offense in the Star Games. They've gone backwards. They can't
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: get an inch, they can't run it, they can't complete
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: the pass. They drossed the risk. That's my point. Why
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I agree with you. I don't. You're two and seven,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: but you might.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: You said it was a risk. Where's the risk?
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: I'm agreeing with you.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: I think no, he agrees with me, but then he
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: always has to put the But I understand what Doug
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: was saying.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: I do because it makes it because here's the risk
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: of being a coach doing that next thing. You know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: instead of your offense being on the field for ten
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: minutes of the first half, they're on the field for
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: five minutes.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: Well, it's okay to be on the field for five
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: minutes of the first half if you hit a play
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: for eighty yards and a touchdown, isn't it.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, but not if your defense, who's already struggling Tony.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: It's like the whole stuff that people are talking about
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: at the end of the game, Well, maybe they should
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: have run and use some more clock. If they score there,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: go score your points. You go score your points and
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: put it back on them. It's the same pick.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: I'm with you. I get that's how you normally act.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: But I was sitting in the booth. I didn't say
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: it on the air, but I was thinking, I'm like,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: maybe they should run it here, I mean time out
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: of some clock because if we score the minute thirty left,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty confident that they are going to go score
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: because that's just the history of this team this year.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: But you can't go in with that. You know that
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: you got to think the best players, you're gonna score touchdown. Now,
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: the play call we can question, but you got to
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: go score points there. It's the same attitude, you know.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: It's like Tony and this one always gets me. When
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: the team's backed up at like their ten yard line,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: the entire offense changes the way they call the game.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: And if you're at the midfields at midfield, why why you.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Want to because a turnover there means more than a
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: turnover on the other.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: But that means you're coaching with the whole mentality that
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: you're going to turn all over.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, Pete, you know what it's called. Now, this is
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: where you're being dumb and hard headed. You know what
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: it's called. Situational football. Pete. That's what it's called.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: Why is it situational football because it's always been played
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: that way.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: No, because it's the right way to think. Because the
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: turnover is points there. If you turn it over and
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: you're across, it's.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Not turning it over. I'm going to get a touchdown. Okay.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: If you're at the one yard line, I could understand it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: But you're at the ten or twelve yard line, you
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: don't call the game differently than you do if you're
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: at the midfield. That's stupid. I mean, they've always done it,
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: they've always done it.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: I think you're being ridiculous.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not the minimum yard line peak that you
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: start running the offense for a.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Reef coach scared. If you're coach scared, you're.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Not coaching scared, Pete. That's called coaching smart.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Okay, based on what based on the fact. What what
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: you're saying is you're basing it on the fact that
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: you're going to have a negative.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying and I'm
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: not saying I wouldn't. I would throw it back up.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I think sometimes the best time to take a shot
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: is when you're on your two yard line because you
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: know you're gonna get a man outside take a shot.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: So what's the rationale for not doing playing different playing
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: your normal offense in that scenario? What's the rationale for that?
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: You're afraid of what turning it over? So it's a
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: negative thinking.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Or and say this, Hey, you gotta know your personnel too.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: If you have some weaknesses up front, you don't want
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: a holding caller in the end zone. Safety, all that
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: stuff could be in place. Test.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: First of all, it's about I'm not It's like, listen,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: if I'm backed up, I'm not gonna call straight drop
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: back passing. Probably I'm gonna run the ball. I'm gonna
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: play action pass it so I can slow the rush down,
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: give my chance. Give you know, I might max protect
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: more when I'm backed up to make sure I can
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: take a shot. Or I make sure I don't take
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: a sack. So okay, but there you go.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Right, if you're at the ten yard line and you
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: go and I let's say they do this, but other
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: teams do it all the time. You go, run, run,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: go make a play on third down, say complete your
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: punting from your tent your end zone. Anyways, they're giving
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: them points anyway, So what's the difference.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: I didn't say that.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying, you know, I'm saying across the league,
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: and so coaching scared in the whole mentality of second
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: and thirteen in the hurry up? Is coaching scared? When
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: you talk that way, you're putting negative thoughts into the
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: entire idea of going not you. I'm talking about the
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: coaches who do that.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: I just think you'll be a little bit. I guess
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: the best description is ridiculous, saying that you don't think
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: about where you are on the field when you're designing.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: For me, John, we've gone to a different that's a
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: whole different argument, the argument about going fast and playing fast.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: And I didn't hear Doug's quote, so I don't know
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: the context of it. But if he said, if you
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: go fast and you're in second to thirteen, then your
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: whole mentality about doing it is negative. Would you not
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: agree with that?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I guess I think about a little
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: bit differently, Pete, from the standpoint of, like you have
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: to like first of all, one of my struggles with
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: our team right now is I like, what's our identity
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: like what's our offensive identity?
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: Well, there isn't one, so I'm trying and create one.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: So that's my point. So I get like, I think
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: a good philosophy and a good offensive identity could be.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying this is the only one. Is that
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: we are going to be a run heavy, play action
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: past team. That's basically what the Eagles are, right, run heavy,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: plays pass. Their last four games, they have thrown the ball.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: They have one four straight. They've thrown it. I mean
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: they've run it much more than they throw it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Well, the quarterback can run too, that's a different.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. Okay, Detroit. Detroit is a run heavy,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: play action pass team.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: And they're offensive line great.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: That's my point. So that you you play the game,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: and you're okay playing the game where you can grind
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: it out, shorten the game, take your shots.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: If you can run it consistently, we let me finished.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: So that's one philosophy. You also can say, hey, we're
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: gonna be a fast break, full speed, throw it around
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: the yard. We know we're gonna put the off defense
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: on the field bit more, but we're gonna go score.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: We're gonna score people. Okay, great, like the Dolphins last year.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: That's how they played, That's what they did, and there's
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: like nuances in between. The problem is with the Jaguars
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: is like, I'm not sure what we are, so I
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: don't think we can be a grinded out team, especially
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: against a physical team like the like the Eagles we
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: played in Detroit in two weeks. Like, I don't think
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: we're physical enough to grind it out with him.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Okay, we could grind it out against the Vikings, not big, probably.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Against the Vikings, you could, right, but I don't think
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: that's in our core who we are. It's okay, well,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: now are we a spread it out, throw it around
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: the field and speed it up and take shots? And
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure we are. That's my problem.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: Okay, let me use the Buffalo bill as an example. Okay,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: what's their identity.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen. They are quarterback centric. Everything's built around him
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: and they're gonna but they that's.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: What That's what the Jacksonville identity should be.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Is Trevor ready for that?
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: There are moments when you watch him and you say, hell, yeah,
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: he's ready for that. There are moments when you put
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: him in obvious passing situations when you say, no, he's
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: not ready.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: For are they paying him to be ready to be that?
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Okay, time out, wrong, wrong answer. Just because you pay
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: a guy doesn't mean he's the guy.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: I still go back to the best times he looks
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: on the football field is when he's playing unburdened and
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: let him go the Chargers game, the there's other games
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: where he's pete.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: How much of that is is? Are like when you
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: know this, When defenses get big leads, they also play
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: a little dry. Hey let's just keep in front of
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: him a little bit.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but at some point in that whole thing, they
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: get to the point where they say, hey, they're within
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: fourteen we got to go back to playing a normal
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: style of defense too. And still and he still came back.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: So it's hard for defenses.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: I just think if you continue to do what you're
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: doing and not building it around him and letting him go,
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: what's the worst thing that happened? You find out that
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: he's not the guy right now?
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: I would agree with you. Listen, And maybe it's part
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: of my own biases, Like I just fundamentally the way
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: you think, the way you play and build the team
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: is inside out. You're physical, you run the ball, you
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: play action pass, you take shots. Like that's how I like.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: That's Look, I'm big with that, Tony.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying is like you probably have much
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: more You might be more clear thinking on this because
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: like you don't really care, Like you like that upstyle
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: that spread it out, throw it around the yard type,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: but not.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Too crazy because I like physical. I think you throw
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: the score, you run the win. That's what I really believe.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: I've always believed that. And I'm gonna go to the
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: Chargers because when the Chargers, when when Harbaugh took over,
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: we sat here and we're gonna say build the offensive line.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: He did. He got physical on the offensive line. You
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: know what they've done the last three games, They've had
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Herbert average over three hundred yards throwing the football because
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: he's he's he's taken it and he's evolved it and
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: he's made it better. And that's why they built. You know,
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: you can't just go way from quarterback with a big
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: arm who can rip it around well. Jacksonville does at times.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying. I think they do now they
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: don't have a neither do the Charges. By the way,
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: have a great group of wide receivers, so they're good
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: enough you can move it around. And Strange played eight
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: nine plays yesterday.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: What happened there? Was there anything about why Strange played
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: too little? I'm gonna ask about that because I thought
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Strange was so good.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: You looked like a pass catcher last week.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did. We've got plenty ahead. I think, Tony,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: the word you were looking for earlier when you were
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: trying to describe Pete was obtuse. You said ridiculous. Obtuse,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I think is what you were.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: I'm stubborn because I think if you keep doing the
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: same things over and over again, it's just stupidity. Try
• 30:44
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  Speaker 4: We could have made more plays for sure.
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• 31:26
  Speaker 7: will show fight to keep ourselves in the game. We've
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• 32:25
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• 32:27
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• 32:40
  Speaker 5: I wonder if I wonder if he didn't asked to
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  Speaker 4: Because now you have to pay him.
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: Sorry, if you give it up on does that means
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: you're giving up on the caesar he didn't want to
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: be here, or you don't think he's better than what
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: you have. I mean, there's got to.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: Be it could be any of those, pete But my
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: guess is they My guess is they don't think he's
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: better than what they have.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's hard to be worse than some of
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: the guys that they've had. I'll be honest with you.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: I mean that safety position has been a big problem
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: all year long.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: It has it hasn't been good. And there were moments
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: yesterday where again that hit again, right.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: Pete, what's that? Oh? Yeah, I mean on the touchdown,
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: on the touchdown, the big not the touchdown, the big
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: play to the Devonte Smith. What the hell was Andre
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: Cisco doing? He got spun around and now Darby's trailing.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: But if you watch Cisco, he thinks he's going to
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: the corner. He put a move on him. He's standing
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: there like, not the touchdown, not the other play, the big.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like the Dolphins play where Tyreek scored
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: on right.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's yeah, And they've had problems with that all
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: year long and continues to be an issue. Look, the
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: safety something been played well, there's no sugarcoating it. Even
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: on when they brought in Johnson on the one he
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: was playing on the run. I think Hurtz got out
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: the site. He got blocked. Member, he's at the line
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: of scrimmage and he came up and he got blasted
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: by the running back and he missed him and he
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: got through there and went, I mean, the safeties all
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: year have been a problem. They're not good. Savage had
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: his issues again. I think he was responsible for the
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: long run on third down. I think he you know,
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: he made a play on the on one pass. He
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: also got beat on that that touchdown by Saquon Barkley.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: So the safety play has been an issue all Cross
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: all year long, and it's going to continue to be
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: that way.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: Wingard is coming back, right at some point.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Some point his window opened a couple weeks ago, hasn't
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: been ready yet.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Just think about this though for a second, particularly on
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: this show. And I thought he played well last year
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: when he was in there. But before that we used
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: to I used to criticize wingerd as well. I didn't
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: think he was that good. Here you are clamoring you
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Wingered back in the lineup right about that?
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: What's really surprising to me about Cisco Pete. And I'm
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: not saying he's playing the worst of the safeties. I
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: agree our safety is underperformance year. He's in a contract year.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well he's cost himself some money. And here's the
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: other thing, Tony, if you look at it on paper,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: you have a guy you went out and paid in
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: free agency. You have a draft pick asset in Cisco.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: What round was he taken in?
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Again, third, wasn't it?
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: You you what? Antonio Johnson was later on pick, but.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: He was a fourth for some reason.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: So you look at this group, but there's there's there's
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: stuff and assets and money put into it. And you're
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: talking about being excited about having wingered back.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Cisco was a third round pick in twenty twenty one,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Antonio Johnson a fifth round pick in twenty twenty three.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, but that's what I'm saying though. There
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: just isn't bang for the bucket that position, which is
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: why you keep having the problems with it. And again
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: sometimes I think over the years, and it's not just
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: this team. Teams are guilty of just replacing guys for
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: the sacred replacing guys. You know, go go get Darnell Savage.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: He'll bring that veteran leadership to that group. Really, I
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: mean seriously, and he hasn't been awful, don't get me wrong,
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: but as he brought anything that when you sit there
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: and you go wow, wow, wow, what a great decision.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Then you look at some of the other by the
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: way some of the other safeties who were signed around
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: the league, you know who are like on second contracts
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: going somewhere else. Elijah Molden, he's played well for the Chargers,
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: came from Tennessee. Julian Love played decent football for Seattle,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: came from the Giants. Elliott has played well for the Steelers,
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Brandon Jones has played well for the Broncos. These are
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: all guys that were given up on by other teams.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: And so that's my and in fairness to safeties, a
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: pass rush hasn't been great at times, I get it,
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: but they haven't played well they have and tackle well
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: they have, and covered well, they haven't done a lot
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: of anything. Well.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Well, it made me think of something, Pete. So last
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: year when this team, you know, went one and six
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: down the stretch, a lot of injuries. But what you know,
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: remember the conversation we had going into the off season,
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: what did we say they need they need.
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: To improve the offensive line, prove d line here, get
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: josh heinz Allen signed, and then clean up all the
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: bus on the back half.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Because remember we had a lot of bus last year, okay,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: And the question is what we do at the other
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: corner because we didn't think we didn't know what they
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: do with Darius. So if you think about the set
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: aside the draft, but the free agents we brought in
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: and the free agents made an impact this year. Like
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Mitch Morris, Okay, we're better.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: He's better. He's better at center, You're better at center?
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: Are you great at center?
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: No?
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: Are you better at center? Absolutely?
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, he's like, Okay, good signing. Now I want to
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: talk about the offensive line a little bit. That I
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: thought about this with the Cooper Hodges injury and the
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: trade of Cam last week that happened after our show, So.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: We keep going with the free agents.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Free agent signed? Were Savage.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: Not any better? Ronald Darby clearly not better than what
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: they had they had. Darius Williams, Darius Williams is better
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: than Derby.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Eric Armstead which this week this week and the I
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: believe JP at the defensive corriers.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: He admitted it.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: They confirmed what we had thought. He was promised to
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: play defensive any when he signed.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Just mystifying to me, you take a three technique and
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: he wants to play defensive end, and you go, okay,
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: we'll sign you. We'll let you play defensive end.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: I don't understand that for the life of me. And
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: when he's the only time I've seen him be productive
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: is when he's inside and he had a couple of
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: nice rutches. Uh this week, Okay, are you better?
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: No, you would say, no, you're not better at that's fun.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: You'd have better. You'd have been better off going to
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: give Klais Campbell a one year deal.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Because he's get in there and do the dirty work
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: gave Davis, gave Davis. Are we better with No?
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: He runs like he's in concrete. No, you're not better
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: than better than that.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Duberney. We better?
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: No, you had a punt returner on your roster, So
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: I guess was that one. By the way I'm gonna go,
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna dig deeper into that one. That was an
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: overthinking of it. That's exactly. We're gonna be smarter than
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: everybody else, and we're gonna have We're gonna be ahead
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: of the game on these kickoff returns. We're gonna have two,
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: and instead everybody just kicks the damn ball out in
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: the back of the end zone. So you wasted your money.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: I get and we spent and none of these guys
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: were cheap guys, some more expensive than others. But we
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: But I think that's what the frost. The frustrating thing
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: at being two and seven high hopes, you know, injuries
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: last year, narrative that it was just injuries and didn't
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: have our guys, you know, bad finish, we add some
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: key free agents and here we go and we just
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: haven't seen the impact with the guys that we've the
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: free agents that we we signed.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: That's a lot of times how it works in free
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: agency right there. We've had some special free agents around
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: here over the years. Ye'd be and we can.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: I know we're up against it. But it leads to
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: me to the next thought I had today thinking about
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: this team and some of the injuries we are now
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: going into next year with what I deem is the
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: most important position group on the entire team of any
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: team in the NFL after quarterback, offensive line going in
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: next year and I'm breaking my rule but we're not
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: gonna talk to draft free agents or anything. But just
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: looking at like ause the injury or two and seven,
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: you have no left tackle under contract for next year,
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: I guess you gotta get you get to see what
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: Walker little is.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: For the next But he's a free agent, is your point.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: But he's a free agent. And guess what someone's usually
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: have to overpay for free agents when they get to
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: that thing. Okay, so we have no left tackle. Uh,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: are one young good offensive lineman that we were trying
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: to develop? Just who knows how bad his kney is.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: You have a center and right guard. Are they going
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: into their eleventh years next year or twelve years old?
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: Guys?
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: So they're gonna go there eleventh years? Last last year?
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: This is like as and I said, how much.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Would shock you to see either one of them or
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: both of them just say I'm done? Because there was
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: always a talk that in Buffalo that the Bills thought
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: that Morse was coming to the end, if by his
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: own choosing at some point.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: Well, and this is back to back years. The sheriffs
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: beat up.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: Right, how much can he take it? How much can
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: he take top his nails?
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: But how much does he have left in the tank?
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: And then you got a right tackle who hasn't lived
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: up to his draft expectations.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: I would say this, you got a right tackle that,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, has not taken the jump that I
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: thought he would from year one to year two, correct,
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: I still think he's a he's.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: A Should he be the left tackle?
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: He's an above average pass walker?
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: Would he be the left tackle? Tony?
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know. He's got to improve his run blocking.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: Right, But I'm saying moving forward, not now next year.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: Can you go in in the season and say, hey,
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: you know what, maybe he can be our left tackle? Yeah?
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: I think something. You gotta go find the right tackles.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Well, he played in college was left tackle.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's definitely a left tackle peak, But
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: then you gotta go find you gotta go find a
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: a uh right tackle. Right.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: It goes back. You don't want to talk about the draft.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: It goes back to the draft. It's big, big, big, big, bigger.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: That's what the draft we're up against.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: It what is We've spent a lot of money and
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: stuck and like one of our key positions is really
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: going into next year between injuries and age and free agency.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: It's like the boy, we got a lot of work
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: to do, all right.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: We'll dig into that work a little more when we
• 43:31
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• 43:34
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• 44:00
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• 44:03
  Speaker 2: of the program. We'll get to for that ex fan questions.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: We'll keep it real because we have it already, and
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: we'll go around the league. Yes, Tony, guys, a few minutes.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: We can't finish this first hour, just in case people
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: got to leave without talking about what everyone has been
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: talking about, not everyone, but a lot of people on Twitter.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: I know Pete been you know, hitting us up on
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: it as well as I've heard it from other people.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: Is the play that ended the game yesterday, the play golf,
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: and we haven't talked about that situation. Just to set
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: it up for everybody and remind everybody, we're down five
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: and we get the ball after stopping after basically we
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: get the ball. Was from midfield because of the missed
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: long field goal pass interference. Bottom line is we're moving
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: down the field and first and fifteen with a minute
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: thirty seven last. I mean first, first and ten on
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: the fifteen with mid to thirty seven left, and we
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: call a wheel route. Now, Pete, I was watching, there
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: wasn't much open on the other side, but I think that.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: Was not There wasn't really anything open.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: I think that's where Trevor was going the whole time though.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the first read. Doug even said that. Yeah,
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: And he might have had Washington inside if he waited
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: a second, but it would have been a tight throw.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: He was gonna get sacked. Walker Little had a soft edge.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: So and and people have asked me, is why is
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: During Johnson our third wide receiver, I mean third running
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: back in the game at the end, and we're gonna
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: call an isolation route to him against the linebacker. A
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: couple of things there. One, he might be the third
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: run back, but he's the number one third down back
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: when it comes to protection, he's the best back of protecting, picking.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: Up which is which is which is why he's in
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: on those plays.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: That's why he's in on those situations too. He's the
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: second best receiving back we have. He's better catching the
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: ball than Tank Bingsby. At this point, it was great
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: in my opinion. So and three, it's actually a matchup.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: A lot of coaches are trying to get Pete is
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: you're running back one on one down the field against
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: the linebacker. Now, what happened? Well, one, Kobe Dean was
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: playing over the top the whole time.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: He never threatened him with anything like an angle route
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: or anything like that. He never felt through. You know,
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: sometimes you get out of the backfield like that and
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: you can threaten them more than that. You never threatened, right, So, Tony.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: You mean over he was playing off the line a
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: good bit like.
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, back he ran the route for him and by
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: the way, Erners should have kept running.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: So okay, hold on Pete. But so I just want
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: to make sure everyone understands that that is not like
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: I've heard people say, that's a terrible call, stupid, blah
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, First of all, Pete,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Craig Baberrong. Lot of coordinators are trying to get one
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: on one with the back against the linebacker.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's let's get more into this on the other side,
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: because I see JP put his finger up and telling
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: you to hurry the hell up.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: We gotta wrap it up. Second hour coming up. We
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: got plenty of time for this. When we come back.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: It's Jaguars Happy Hour.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: He played mental gymnastics all day and as a coach,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: you can't on a Monday you can talk to your
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: football team about situational football and situational awareness and say,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: you know, okay, we can't we can't do that. You
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: can't do that as a football team right in those situations.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: And as coaches, you go, we could have.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Done this, we could have done that, We should have
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: done this, we should have done that. And that's the
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: part that you know, beats you up all the time
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: as you the longer you're in this business, longer you
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: coach it, the longer you play it. I think every
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: coach goes through it.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Every player is going to go through it. Head coach
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Doug Peterson today, welcome back. It's our number two of
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Mister Chubby's Wings. Before the game,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: after the game, and during the game. Doug Peterson discussing
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: second guessing that happens on Monday and the building. We're
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: on ten to nextlam Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube, j
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: P Shadwick, Tony Bisselli, Pete Priscoe. The Jaguars got in
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: a twenty two to nothing hole and then rallied to
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: get close. They had the ball in their hands down
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: five inside two minutes, but the third giveaway of the
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: day ended it. We'll have more on that play as
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Tony was wrapping up the first hour coming up in
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: just a moment. The offense struggled through the first half,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: though slow start again, thirty one yards, one first down
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: in the entire first half, Trevor Lawrence's worst rating game
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: since his rookie year under Urban Meyer. Jack's defense fought again,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: but they had key lapses that killed them. Seven plays
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: of twenty or more yards with the Eagles, plus a
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: couple of third and long touchdowns for Philly. The Jags
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: now two and seven. They're fifth loss by five or
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: less points this season, and now plenty of questions moving
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: ahead about what this team's going to be the rest
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: of the year. Up next, the Vikings come to town.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Then it's up to Motown to face the Detroit Lions.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: So that's what's going on in the next two weeks
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: for the Jags before the bye week. All right, guys,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: let's let's wrap up this thought about the interception play
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: at the end that we had to cut off the
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: first hour because it's it's the huge topic of the day. Certainly,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: it really is.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: So the reset reset. So Pete, tell me, where are
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: you disagree? Good match up? I mean getting your running
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: back matchup with the linebacker favorbles of offense typically rerec
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: like every coordinator is trying to do that some at
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: some point. I mean, it's not it's not a bad concept.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: Let me put that way.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: Well, on first down, Okay, yes, I get it. I
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: guess what you're saying. I like. I like. I like
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: backs out of backfield in one on one situation through
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: the lineback.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: Okay, I do too. Second, the Ernest Johnson's in there
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: because in a two minute situation, he's your best pass
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: blocking and blitz pick up and aware running back. And
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: he's and he's and he's better than Tank at catching
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: the ball in the backfield.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: And it better not better than at catches the ball
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: in the back.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: I hope he's better than at blocking and all that
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: kind of stuff. Buttz pick up, okay, which is protection
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: first in two minutes, So that's good. And you know
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: I've also heard and you know, some people say, well,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: maybe they should have run it more clock and and
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: that's an argument. But at the same time, I think
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: Pete would say, like, you gotta go score and then
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: go get stops, like you don't try to mickey mouse
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: around and try to score with no time left, like
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: you score, let your defense go play.
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: But let maybe real quick. By the way, if Etn's
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: running that route or if Digsby's running the route, they're
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: not open either the way he played it.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: So yes, and so the other thing is so also
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: this is by design Trevor's first read. Now my issue
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: is him throwing the ball because Dean is over the
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: top the entire time, and so he's now asking to
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: throw a fifty to fifty ball to a guy who
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: is not a fifty to fifty receiver.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: And was there not a receiver on that side of
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: the field, by the way, there wasn't what no, no, no,
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: I'm saying to start the play, I.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: Don't remember, I don't think about it.
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: But usually when you run that play, a lot of time.
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: You try and get him. I can't remember either. You
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: try and get him in traffic where he's got to
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: get through something to cover him.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: If we take a look, yeah.
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but but but the linebacker already had jumped
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: out because you had motioned him out, which also brings
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: him the question.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: But back he went over the top of the slant.
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: Watch watching, watch watch when he motions, he widens yep.
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: So if you don't motion him, you run that play.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: He has to go through trash a little bit rather
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: than being able to go over the top of it,
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: which is the design of the play. To me, was
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: a problem to begin with because I think once they
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: started Tony, once they start motioning him out, he knows, okay,
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: if he had it Okay, here's the other part of that.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: Did he have a two way go on that route
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: that if he did jump over the top, that he
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: comes underneath it. It didn't look that way, right.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: So so here's my problem with the play. I don't
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: love because when you call that play, you know it's
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: the Ernest Johnson unless he's been repping it in practice,
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: and he's been doing a great job in practice. I
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: don't love it. Like I like, in the biggest moments,
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: I want to try to go to Evan Ingram or
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: Brian Thomas Junior or like my topper guys. But okay,
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: set that aside. The two other issues I have is,
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: I know it's his first read, but looking at it
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: with the linebacker over the top, you ever throw that
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: into the back back shoulder where only Duran's can catch
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: it or throw the row of the crowd right too.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: The second issue I have is, if you're Durnis Johnson,
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: you got to run stopped, you got to run through it.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: And the only thing that can happen is na Kobe
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Dean catching the ball. I don't care if you have
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: to beat them, you know, you know what out of them,
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: tackle them whatever. The game's over otherwise. And so I
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: didn't understand, and I understand it was his first read,
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: but I'd love to ask, you know, maybe I'll call
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: Brunel then and ask him as a quarterback, like, but
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: if you see the guy over the top, you're still
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: throwing it. I would like, I know, if it's a
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: receiver and the guy's over the top, you're throwing the
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: back shoulder.
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: But then Brunell throw one of those in the rain.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: That's what he threw. The guy was over the top
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: on him, but he threw it in the rain.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: It was a naked though.
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: He was still over the top.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: On might he might have he might have he might
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: have flashbacks and get upset.
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: He's gonna get out. But no, Okay, the design of
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: the play. I had fault with the design of play
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: because once they motioned him out, the linebacker was widened
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: and therefore could get the depth on it and wasn't
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: threatened by anything inside because there was no one he
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: the receiver couldn't cause any trash once they widened him out.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying. If they if they kept him
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: in the backfield and ran that same play, you might
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: have had a better chance of getting him open because
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: of the trash that might have caused in front of him.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: A and B would have had a harder time getting
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: over the top on it.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: You agreat, Maybe I'm not, as I don't know if
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: I was angry about the design of the player as
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: you are.
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: It's just nippicking the designer. That's just my personal preference
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: on it.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: All right, let's that read. Wasn't there were there any
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: other reads after that that he could have thrown to
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: on the other side.
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: But Tony's right that he was gonna get hit walker
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: little you know, just whift basically on his guy. Otherwise,
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: otherwise if he had a little bit of time and
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: he doesn't like it, which is hard to do, by
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: the way, because the whole idea is you got that
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: guy one on one, you're throwing it there. It's hard
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: to come back to the middle. But if you look
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: at that play on I think he has Washington on
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: it slant if he if he wants to go there now,
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: then he is. You can't get it over the top
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: of his head there.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at it right now.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: No, okay, then he has nothing.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: He could have checked it down to Ingram for like
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: a three or four yard game, but he.
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: Would have gotten hit before any of that happened. But
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: but the bottom line is there were a couple of
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: things to nitpick about the play. Would I have run
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: it with with Deanonners Johnson? No, But when you've got
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: a guy who's in there is your third down passing back,
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: then clearly that signals to them that you're running it too.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: I mean they're throwing it too. Tony doesn't it.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: No, they can run it, like I've been fine with
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: a run play.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: No, but I'm saying usually if he's in there for
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: pass protection, you're signaling to the defense that it's probably
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: a pass because you would.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: Have but he runs, they'll run it out of that.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't know. I just would I've run
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: that play? Hell? No, Do I think that there's a
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: better way to run the play if you're gonna run it?
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: Yes, I guess here's my problem, Pete. I've heard everything
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: from friends who text me to looking at X like
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: think that in talking to people I respect, Like that's
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: a fireball offense. How do you throw that call that
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: play in that situation? I'm like, I don't know, because
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: like it's it's not the wrong matchup as far as
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: like back against the linebacker.
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: He's pretty good in coverage the Kobe Dean.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying. I'm not saying he's not. And
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: I can see Pete's point if you look at the
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: play again, if they do it out of the backfield,
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: could maybe you rub and create some traffic for Nakobe Dean? Possibly,
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: but he I just gonna go over the top more.
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: You might hit, You might hit him.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I could. That's the fair point.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: But so what you're saying is I need to be
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: their offensive coordinator.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying that. Nothing on their side that
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: he should have gone to. It's one on one, and
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: I guess my point is two things. And maybe this
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: is maybe you don't do this with a hang back.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: I'm not a coordinator. Throw it to the back shoulder,
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: Throw to the place where only he can make a
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: great play. If not, it's second down to ten.
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: And then you could criticize Johnson for all you want,
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: but he's not used to running that route, that kind
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: of route like that. They probably practiced it, and the
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: linebacker probably got caught up in the trash. And because
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: they probably didn't practice it that way, I didn't like
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: motioning him out. That bothered me because it's set. It's
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: it set the message that that's you're gonna be in
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: a one on one situation unless and Less and I
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: don't know this. You don't know this, is there is
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: there an option to that route where he can break
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: it off and cut inside of that guy.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: It doesn't look like it.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: It doesn't because Parker's running in there. I mean I'll
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: tell you that. Let me tell you my true thought.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: At the moment, I was less worried about the play
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: call as far as the design. I was more in
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: the mindset of I would have run the ball there.
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: I would have forced Philly to burn a time out
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: there because they were in a weak box. A man
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: for a man I mean that. I mean you could
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: run zone. You could, you could zone read it up
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: the back side, and you have basically a man for
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: man five for five, and I would try to go
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: get four or five with the earnest. So second and
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: five force Sirianni to use the timeout, and now I'm
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: second and five for the ten.
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: No, Sirianni, you would let the clock tick off.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: Well, then that's fine. Then I know.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: I agree. I would have had no problem with a
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: run in that scenario. So if you think you're scoring
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: on that play, you have to run that play.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But he didn't have to go on that play.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: It was first, and it was first at ten for
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: the fix.
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: I get it, Tony, but it goes back to my
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: theory on the whole thing, that you can't worry about
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: the clock when you got to get the touchdown.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: I actually think you can pete when it's first and
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: ten with a minute forty two and like it's a
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: do or die because if you don't get in, you
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: lose the game because you have no timeouts left. So
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: you can play this to the end. I'm not saying
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: like take knees or run it right up the middle,
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: but like right running out.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: I would have had the problem with the run play,
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: but I would not have had a problem with a
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: run play there. I can't.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: My biggest criticism of pressing Doug is not the wheel rout,
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: not whether you should motion or not, none of that,
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: Like getting one one with the backer. Okay, I think
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: the route could have been run better. I think the
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: ball could have been, like, you know, maybe back shoulder
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: because he's over the top. Maybe if you don't do that,
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: have the guy run through. It's probably a contested ball.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Maybe it doesn't intercept it. My biggest issue was why
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: not run the ball there? Why not force them to
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: like get on their heels a little bit, force them
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: to call it time.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: Now, there's no reason that Trevor should should have thrown
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: that ball where he threw it though, zero nothing. There's
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: nothing that says that guy's even close to being open.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: It's going to be a throw, so he should not.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: He should have thrown it into the crowd or you know,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: short armed it into the dirt or something. There's no
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: way he throws that up.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: Don't understand when he sees that what makes him say,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw this. That's what I understand.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: Okay. And and that's not the worst play call that
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: they had of the day.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: But where was.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: That the fourth down play? Oh, the fourth and one?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: That was a.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: Check by Trevor Well, he checked to a bad play
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: because he checked to I know what they're trying to do.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: You're supposed to get a rub on. He's supposed to
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: pick him and let him get outside, get the I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: didn't like the call at all.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: First of all, let me tell you what I think.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: It was a check because if you watched the play, Pete,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: the whole offensive line is running sneak.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: I mean whatever, he if he checked that, he shouldn't
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: have in part part you know what the play before
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: he was a sneak too, and he didn't get anything.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: So maybe they had something to do with it. Right,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: wasn't a third and one and he didn't get to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: he didn't get anything on the sneak.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: It went from third and one to third and half.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Half of football.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would have I would have. I would have
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: run the sneak again.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: I would have run the sneak again. I would not
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: I would not have thrown the ball no matter what
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: I would have, I wouldn't even have that check in.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: No, and and it almost That's why I don't know
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: if it Maybe they make it look like a sneak
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: because because Evan is so ready to catch it and
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: do something with it. And usually I don't know, I
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: just I think. And who was the receiver that was running?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: Was it? Was it? Parker Washington is supposed to kind
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: of pick Cooper Degene, I think, and that's what he's
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: supposed to do. And he didn't. And he made a
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: good play on it. I mean, he made a really
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: good play on it. But I didn't like to call
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: at all. I would have stuck.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: Achilles heel for two years now, third and one and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: fourth and one, yeah.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah sure. Should they have just punted it?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, probably.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: I mean that's a tradational conservative way, but pun like
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: I always say, punting is okay.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: Guys.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: People in this sleegue need to learn that it's okay
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: to punt the football.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: Sometimes stood why they didn't pete because of the situation
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: they're in and they needed to get something going. That
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: defense been out there. It was going sideways for him.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: But it's okay if you're on the flip side of
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: the forty. They were on their own where they have the.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Thirty nine yard nine, their own thirty nine.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: Come on, tone, you don't defend that call. It's a
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: terrible call because you just put him in point plank.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Rade and they're lucky that Siriani. He decided to go
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: for it better.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: It's better to be Uh, get that defense on the
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: twenty and the other twenty that on the point blank
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: range on the thirty nine.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, we didn't give him any points because Siriani went
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: for it himself.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: He did, he's a moron.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Two. He went on fourth and two instead of kicking
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: a field going on three scores.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: It was fourth and three officially. Of all things, what
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: are they doing?
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: What are these guys doing? I mean, my.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Gosh, Siriani's gonna coach himself out of a job if
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: he keeps doing that kind of stuff. He's gonna cost
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: him some games.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: But you know what he's done. He's done the old. Look,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna change my appearance so people talk about it
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: and don't talk about how bad a coach ebra Flus
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: did it. He's doing it. It's amazing these.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: Guys do well. Here's the thing about going for it
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: on fourth and inches or halfy yard whatever it was,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: on your own thirty nine. Even if you get it,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: it's not like you all put yourself in a field
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: goal range, or like you still get to get three
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: or four first downs to go get.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: A field goal, right, that's what I mean. It's not
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: in point blank range. If you're a point blank range
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: on the thirty nine and you go for it, okay,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: that's different. You're gonna get one first down and you
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: definitely got it, or maybe don't even need a first
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: down and you kick a field goal. What do you got.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: There's no endgame there. That makes no sense. I bet
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: you after those play calls that the Eagle fans would
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: over put Roses on Doug style. O.
• 1:04:04
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• 1:04:08
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• 1:04:12
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  Speaker 2: Chubby's Wings.
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  Speaker 3: We were with the time left. We had talked about
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  Speaker 3: it on the sideline to kind of slow the pace
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  Speaker 3: there at the end, you know, and it's just something
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  Speaker 3: you got to try to do right. You can try
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  Speaker 3: to if you can, you know, you stay in bounds,
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  Speaker 3: you stay in bounds, or if it's in complete, you
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  Speaker 3: play another down, whatever it is. But it's to the
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  Speaker 3: bottom line is two. We still needed to score.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 3: You know felt good too with where our defense had played.
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  Speaker 3: It would give us a shot.
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  Speaker 2: Head goes Doug Peterson after the game yesterday on the
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  Speaker 2: final interception strategy behind it and welcome back. It's Jaguars
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  Speaker 2: Happy Hour, JP Shatterick Tony Wasselli Pete Prisco after a
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  Speaker 2: Jaguars loss in Philadelphia to the Eagles twenty eight to
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  Speaker 2: twenty three. The final time now for Keeping It Real,
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  Speaker 2: presented by Nobody, and we'll go back to the offense
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  Speaker 2: here overall, we've talked about slow starts, We've talked about
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  Speaker 2: key moments where there are interceptions. How do you fix
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  Speaker 2: it this year? Is it fixable this season or is
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  Speaker 2: this something that is a bigger picture problem for the
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  Speaker 2: long term.
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  Speaker 4: Is it fixable this year? I think a certain degree
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  Speaker 4: of it's fixable. So if you play cleaner, catch the
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  Speaker 4: balls that are thrown to you, you know, no pre
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  Speaker 4: stat penalties, just do the basics, rights, I think there'll
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  Speaker 4: be some improvement.
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  Speaker 5: Target Brian Thomas more than four times a game.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that, Pete. But you're
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  Speaker 4: beat up, you're probably at you're you're out with the
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  Speaker 4: guy who would have been your number one target coming
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  Speaker 4: into the season, Uh, Christian Kirk. So he's out. You
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  Speaker 4: got a rookie who's is beat up, but heck of
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  Speaker 4: a player, Your big free agent missed the game or
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  Speaker 4: when you know this week? So when does he get back?
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  Speaker 4: You have a beat up, really beat up offensive line,
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  Speaker 4: and and so I'm not sure how much you can
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  Speaker 4: fix it. I think you can fix it around the
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  Speaker 4: edges and just by playing cleaner and not beating yourself,
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  Speaker 4: trying to start a little faster, but I think there's
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  Speaker 4: probably limits because of injuries and and maybe you know
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  Speaker 4: and sometimes you go also. And I'm not saying this
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  Speaker 4: is the time to do it. And I'm not saying
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  Speaker 4: this is the case either, by the way, but maybe
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  Speaker 4: sometimes you overestimate your talent level two.
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  Speaker 5: You know that that is the case, you won't say it.
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  Speaker 5: I will that is the case, And I'm guilty of
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  Speaker 5: it as anybody. So I can't. I can't sit here
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  Speaker 5: and criticize anybody else for saying it, because I'm as
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  Speaker 5: guilty as anybody. I thought the talent was better and
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  Speaker 5: it's not.
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  Speaker 4: Where do you think they're lacking talent?
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  Speaker 5: Well, you can start with the offensive line. That's a problem.
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  Speaker 5: It's been a problem. It's been a problem for a
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  Speaker 5: long time. But look, it's not a problem that's only
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  Speaker 5: in their grouping, because it's around the league. It's a problem,
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  Speaker 5: but it's a big problem with Jacksonville. I think it's
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  Speaker 5: a problem on the defensive interior. I think those guys
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  Speaker 5: are they try, they're good players, they're not I mean,
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  Speaker 5: they're backups. That's what those guys are. You would like
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  Speaker 5: to have Hamilton and that group led better as backups.
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  Speaker 5: You don't want them starting. You need a monster in there.
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  Speaker 5: You need somebody that's gonna tear people up in both
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  Speaker 5: the past game and the run game. They don't have that.
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  Speaker 5: That's a weakness the linebackers in coverage, and they weren't
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  Speaker 5: awful yesterday, but for the most part this season, the
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  Speaker 5: coverage has been terrible for the linebacker group and then
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  Speaker 5: the safety. So I've always been a big believer and
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  Speaker 5: you build from the edges the way the game is played.
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  Speaker 5: But they're so bad up the middle right now that
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  Speaker 5: that's a problem. And so when that's a problem, it
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  Speaker 5: kind of filters out to the edges. And the fact
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  Speaker 5: that you have two really good edge play those are
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  Speaker 5: good edge players. They're not you know, look, they're not
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  Speaker 5: put their hands on the ground and go blow by
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  Speaker 5: in win every consistently like a von Miller and is Heyday.
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  Speaker 5: But they're both good, physical, tough edge players. They don't
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  Speaker 5: get any help from the inside. And that's why, you know,
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  Speaker 5: like heinz Allen sack numbers are down, he's having a
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  Speaker 5: you go back and watch the tape, he's having a
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  Speaker 5: good year, and so I think that contributes to it all.
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  Speaker 5: So I think when we do talk about the talent.
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  Speaker 5: I thought Hamilton would go back to what he was
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  Speaker 5: before his injury. He hadn't done that. I thought Armstead
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  Speaker 5: would play on the inside and be what he was
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  Speaker 5: with the forty nine ers at times in his career.
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  Speaker 5: He hasn't done that. I thought Lloyd would take the
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  Speaker 5: next step this year. He hasn't done that. Then you
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  Speaker 5: go to the middle of the field. The safeties. We
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  Speaker 5: talked about them. They've been a total F. I mean
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  Speaker 5: that's an F from where we thought Cisco would be
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  Speaker 5: in a contract year to what they paid Savage to
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  Speaker 5: come in and play, to Antonio Johnson who flashed at
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  Speaker 5: times as a rookie and regressed. That's an F. So
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  Speaker 5: you add it all up, and you and you know,
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  Speaker 5: compound the problem by having Darby playing a man coverage
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  Speaker 5: which he can't, which he doesn't do very well. And
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  Speaker 5: you didn't have Campbell for all those games. That's why
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  Speaker 5: your defense has been bad. It's easy to see, it's
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  Speaker 5: not hard. And then the offensive line is the problem.
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  Speaker 5: On the offensive side of the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a long list, but okay.
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  Speaker 4: You and I talked about this, So I just go
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  Speaker 4: back to last year thinking about the team that how
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  Speaker 4: we finished at nine and eight and so disappointing, and
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  Speaker 4: we talked about where we thought they needed to get better,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, before we signed off for the year,
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  Speaker 4: and I think we talked about this in camp, and
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  Speaker 4: I remember looking back over what we did in free
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  Speaker 4: agency and the draft, and my big question as we
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  Speaker 4: were sitting around, I think it was me, maybe Longes Hair, JP,
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  Speaker 4: whoever is is this team any better than it was
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  Speaker 4: last year? And my answer at the time is I
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  Speaker 4: didn't think so. I didn't see anything that they did
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  Speaker 4: that made them better. Like I didn't see anything they
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  Speaker 4: added on defense compared to the losses they had on defense.
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  Speaker 4: With the additions, I didn't see them better, especially when
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  Speaker 4: I had heard, you know, we had all had heard
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  Speaker 4: at the time, which was confirmed by Ryan Nielson this week,
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  Speaker 4: that Armsteair was going to be a defensive end.
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  Speaker 5: But training camp, you didn't think he was going to
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  Speaker 5: be a defensive end. You thought he was going to
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  Speaker 5: be a defense He wasn't around him training was practicing. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 5: but you thought he was going to be a defensive tackle.
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  Speaker 4: We I thought someone told us that they that that
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  Speaker 4: was part of them signing him. I thought that.
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  Speaker 5: I think that came later, but okay, but I mean
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  Speaker 5: we were sitting there thinking they'd be better at the middle,
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  Speaker 5: because you thought he'd beat Eric Armstead from the forty
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  Speaker 5: nine ers.
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  Speaker 4: I was worried about it, though he's a ten year
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  Speaker 4: vet and he's hurt coming up in trees. I was
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  Speaker 4: always worried about it because just I mean, age is
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  Speaker 4: undefeated unless you're Tom Brady. And so I didn't know
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  Speaker 4: where we had like improved across the board based on
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  Speaker 4: the losses and then the free agent Okay, then you
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  Speaker 4: move to the offensive side, and I didn't know what
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  Speaker 4: we had done better. Now granted I did worse. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't think Brian Thomas Jr. Was gonna be what he
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  Speaker 4: is when we.
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  Speaker 5: Drive and see I did, I did not? I did,
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  Speaker 5: I did not.
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  Speaker 4: He's a good player. I thought the only thing we
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  Speaker 4: had done to improve ourselves was adding Mitch Morris, which
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  Speaker 4: I was also worried about, not because of Mitch Morris
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  Speaker 4: is the player, just because his ten year bet and
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  Speaker 4: how much you know, how much gas does he have
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  Speaker 4: in the tank. And so I came in the season thinking,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm hoping, you know, We talked about the
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  Speaker 4: first show, Treffor's gotta have a big year, got you
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  Speaker 4: gotta jump? Because I didn't think Gave Davis was better
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  Speaker 4: than h than what's his number zero last year Jones?
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  Speaker 5: He doesn't run better than he wasn't better.
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  Speaker 4: In Jay Jones. And I didn't think Brian Thomas Junior
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  Speaker 4: is a rookie, would be better than Ben Ridley. Well, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 4: I was wrong about that, but I didn't. I didn't
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  Speaker 4: think Gabe would be better than Jay Jones. And I
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  Speaker 4: thought Jay Jones probably better blocker. But we did and
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  Speaker 4: so I didn't see as being two and seven. But
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  Speaker 4: we talked about it, Pete, how much better would we be?
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  Speaker 4: Because I thought we had a tough pretty good. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't know the NFC North was gonna be the Gauntlet,
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  Speaker 4: but I thought we'd be you know, you know, somewhere
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  Speaker 4: between eight nine and eleven and you know six, I
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  Speaker 4: mean we'd be. We talked about it that we would
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  Speaker 4: be fighting for the playoffs. We have a chance to
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  Speaker 4: go to the playoffs and win the division in December.
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  Speaker 5: And we were wrong about that. Wrong, I was wrong. Hey,
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  Speaker 5: but here's the other thing, Tony.
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  Speaker 4: But Pete, my whole point is if you go back,
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  Speaker 4: this team also finished one and six last year and
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  Speaker 4: what we just went through. I'm the fool because I
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  Speaker 4: didn't think we got much better.
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  Speaker 5: Wells who is a player? Who is a player that
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  Speaker 5: they brought it?
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  Speaker 4: I'll give you two guys. Tank Bigsby's better.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So he's technically your backup running bat. So okay,
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  Speaker 5: that's good. You have a nice backup running back to
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  Speaker 5: go with Threaten strange and nine snaps.
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  Speaker 4: You asked me who got better?
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  Speaker 5: But he's such a threat that they had nine snaps
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  Speaker 5: on Sunday. There's there's something wrong there.
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  Speaker 4: Walker better, Ventra Miller is much better.
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  Speaker 2: Yes he is, well, he didn't.
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  Speaker 4: He was hurt last year too, That's why he's better.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, But again, also I didn't see this happening.
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  Speaker 4: I A'm Brandish airs playing better this year than needed
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  Speaker 4: last year. But you don't usually see that of a
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  Speaker 4: ten year guys.
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  Speaker 5: My point, But and then we can flip it to
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  Speaker 5: this thing. You see, you caught a touchdown pass last
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  Speaker 5: night for the Vikings.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Josh Oliver Oliver?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So Josh Oliver was known when he came to
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  Speaker 5: Jacksonville's what a blocker, right, wasn't even pretty dark good
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  Speaker 5: blocker at times in the early in his career. That's
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  Speaker 5: what they thought he would be.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they thought.
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  Speaker 4: I tried to I tried to block these things out.
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  Speaker 5: Saying we could go through this whole thing. The same
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  Speaker 5: with Quincy will Williams. It's you got rid of those guys.
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  Speaker 5: They were on your roster. They're contributors for teams other
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  Speaker 5: teams where they now you had to go draft to
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  Speaker 5: replace them. Why just for the sake of replacing them?
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  Speaker 5: What's the reason?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, so this goes back to the keeping the real
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  Speaker 4: what do you need to get better? Well, we are
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  Speaker 4: now if you look, we were eight and three last
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  Speaker 4: year yep, which seems like a like a thousand years ago.
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  Speaker 5: Was that an accident? That's the question you got to ask.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we can remember how we won them, like we
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  Speaker 4: were playing pretty good, really good, complimentary football, and we
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  Speaker 4: were getting tons of turnovers. Remember that.
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  Speaker 5: And and I want to go back who were the
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  Speaker 5: teams they beat in that run too? I think if
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  Speaker 5: we go looking back at some of the teams they
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  Speaker 5: beat in that run, we go, oh, they beat the Bills, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and buff But that was one of those ones where
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  Speaker 5: they went to the London. Remember they got they weren't
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  Speaker 5: They had that idea how to handle that. That was
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  Speaker 5: part of that and they got it. They lost about
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  Speaker 5: six game, right, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Last year they beat the Colts, they beat the Falcons,
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  Speaker 2: they beat the Bills, both in London. They beat the
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  Speaker 2: Colts again, they beat the Saints, they beat the Steelers.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, okay, okay, but here's my point.
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  Speaker 4: Beat we were eight and three. Regardless, we were eight
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  Speaker 4: and three. Since then, we have gone three and thirteen.
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  Speaker 4: So when you asked me, what are you gonna do
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  Speaker 4: to get better, it's not just two and seven. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: we've added a couple of draft picks. Yes we've added
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  Speaker 4: a couple free agents. But our offense it's eight of
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  Speaker 4: the same eleven guys yet last year.
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  Speaker 5: It's true, but nobody's gotten better, including the quarterback. And
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  Speaker 5: I think the quarter I'll be honest with you, I
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  Speaker 5: think the quarterback's being held back by this team. I
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  Speaker 5: really do. I think they're ruining him. I'll say it.
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  Speaker 5: If you get an offense, if you get an offensive
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  Speaker 5: guy in here, like Ben Johnson or something like that,
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  Speaker 5: I guarantee he's a significantly better player.
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  Speaker 4: Pete, I fundamentally disagree with you on that comment. Why why,
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  Speaker 4: Because this is what in my opinion, If you think
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  Speaker 4: firing a coach is gonna fix everything you.
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  Speaker 5: Are, That's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: What I'm saying you.
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  Speaker 4: Said, Okay, Pete, you can't replace a guy without firing
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  Speaker 4: a guy. So you're saying I disagree with you a
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  Speaker 4: thousand percent. If you think somehow Ben Johnson coming into
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  Speaker 4: here is gonna be a magic pill and flip the
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  Speaker 4: switch and all of a sudden you're gonna be good.
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  Speaker 4: I disagree with that.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So then you don't think the quarterback is You
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  Speaker 5: can have it one or two ways. Either they've taken
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  Speaker 5: the quarterback and not made him grow, or he's not
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 5: very good one it's one or two. It's one or
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  Speaker 5: the other. It can't it has to be why he's
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  Speaker 5: not as good as it was a year ago. I
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  Speaker 5: don't think.
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  Speaker 4: Do you.
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  Speaker 5: Think when he was healthy, when he was healthy last year,
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  Speaker 5: he's as good now as he was then the same,
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  Speaker 5: So he hasn't gotten better and.
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  Speaker 4: The same.
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  Speaker 5: So he hasn't gotten better. So is this who he
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  Speaker 5: is or have they made him this It's got to
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  Speaker 5: be one of the other.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we don't know yet. Maybe there's enough samples.
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  Speaker 4: Playing a different style.
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  Speaker 5: Now, like I'll go back to yesterday, the throat to Washington.
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  Speaker 5: You saw Washington. He's gotta go, he's got to get
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 5: depth on that. That's good, that's what you gotta But
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: he also kind of bended off. He's got to be complete.
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  Speaker 5: That's gonna be the forty yard completion. You saw it
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  Speaker 5: happened to a couple other times where guys didn't run
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  Speaker 5: the right they stopped. They kind of there's no there's
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  Speaker 5: no connection, and it's it's tough guys going in and out.
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  Speaker 5: I get it, but I I just I just think that.
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  Speaker 4: Pete, I'm not listen. We can have a debate about
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: the quarterback last there.
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  Speaker 5: The kid has talent. I'm sorry, he has more talent
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: than when he gets But.
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  Speaker 4: You are nuts. You are absolutely qrazy if you think
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  Speaker 4: fire one coach is gonna fix everything.
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  Speaker 5: It's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I think they're
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: holding him back.
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  Speaker 4: You just said if you bring Ben Johnson and his offense,
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna win.
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  Speaker 5: You're not say they're gonna win. They're gonna make him better.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: You're crazy, they're gonna make him well, then he can't
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: get better. Then it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: You have to look at the whole thing. Pete. This
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: is the problem with organizations. Do they said, oh, let's
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: just oh, it's this magic pill, let's take that one.
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  Speaker 5: It's not what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: That's what you just said.
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying a guy like Ben Johnson or somebody with
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: an offensive mind like that who comes in and doesn't
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: doesn't run this offense. This offense is stagnant. It's it's predictable.
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  Speaker 4: Last year, Pete, remember last year everyone said, we's gotta
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: fire the defense. Score again me deven scored, Everything will
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  Speaker 4: be better.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean remember that. Yeah, Well they fired one
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  Speaker 5: bad one and got another bad one.
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  Speaker 4: I must I'm not here to judge whether one's bad
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  Speaker 4: or good. That's not my point in this argument. My
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: point is the mistake. I mean, too many made people
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: makes like, oh, just get rid of that guy, and
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  Speaker 4: it's it's you gotta look at it.
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  Speaker 5: I need to say one thing about getting rid of anybody.
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  Speaker 5: All I'm saying, if they had a guy that was
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: he can't bring somebody out. He hadn't made him better.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 5: He's not better. So it's one of two things. Either
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: they haven't made him better or he's not any good.
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  Speaker 5: It can't be both.
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  Speaker 4: Outstanding JP outstanding. I gotta jump in real quick. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we ended it real quickly, so I know we're getting
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  Speaker 4: to the fans and you got to read your read
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  Speaker 4: My point, P was the mistake is because I'm not
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  Speaker 4: advocating for firing anyone in that building. And that's not
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: my job. It's it's that's one man's job over there.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: It's not mine. My point is, you got to look
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: at the whole thing, like, how about the fact that
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence's receivers have have had dropped the ball more
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: than any other receiving group, that any other quarterbacks dealt
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: with since he's been here.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely number one in the league.
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  Speaker 4: Number one in the league. Okay, okay, So if you
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: cut those in half and they were in the middle
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: of the league, would his numbers be different.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's a good player. I just think there's
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: you're blaming everything on the plate. I think there's more
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: to them.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's the point. I think there's more to it.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: I think you gotta look at everything.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, but the guys are dropping past is what is that?
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: Is that coaching focused?
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: Wrong guys?
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: I don't know, jumping off sides and when you get
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: down in the red zone.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not there every day.
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  Speaker 5: I believe the coach is responsible for that. I'm not
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 5: saying fired everybody. I'm just saying I think they're holding
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: Trevor back. That's me.
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  Speaker 4: I disagree with you from the standpoint until you are
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: understanding and look at everything. I don't know what it is.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's coaching. I'm not in the building.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: I hear it. I mean I hear things, I'm not
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: in the building.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I can ask you a legitimate question
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: of how many guys have gotten better and you can
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: come over a handful that that that begs that the
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: coaching is a problem.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: I just gave you guys who got better.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: Give me three and the whole team.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen, he's gotten better, better, He's better than he
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: was a year ago pre dank physical, it's more physical.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: They ask him the game weight. So is that the
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: defensive coordinator for asking the game weight? I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe, So there you go. It goes back to the coaching. Look,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not saying sitting here a wholesale change are gonna
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: fix it because they have a roster problem as well.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: But I think when it relates to.
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  Speaker 4: That's my point. You got to look at the whole thing,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm not.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: Looking at the whole thing. And as it relates to
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: the quarterback, I think he's being held back.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: But why is he held back? Is it the poe?
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: Is it the roster? The coaching?
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: Let us go free for a little while, and then
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: if it told him back then I was wrong. Okay,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you that right now.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: Is it the culture? Is it him is?
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: By the way, this is not the week.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know. My point is I get really frustrated
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: when everyone's like, oh, it's just Ben Ben Johnson, It'll
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: fix everything.
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  Speaker 5: But well, first off, we don't know if Ben Johnson
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: can handle a room. We don't know that at point.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: Bete, you're the one who said it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think Ben Johnson's a bright star in the
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: coaching profession.
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  Speaker 4: I listen. I think Ben Johnson is one of the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: better offensive coordinators in football right now, and I think
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: he has the numbers that prove it. I think he's
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: in the right place with a great head coach. They've
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: built it the right way. They have a strong offensive line,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: they have an identity, they know who they are, they
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: have two good backs. They don't ask their quarterback to
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: do a lot. It's play action pass. It's like, it's
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: all good. But it's built in a manner to fit
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: the way that they want to play. And they call
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: plays based on their personnel and what they got and
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: they it's designed that way. They picked players that way.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: Like I'll give you per example, Pete, you and I
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: both would have said it when they picked Jamar.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Gibbs in the first round, Jamir.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: Jamier's thank you, Melvin Kidd when they picked Jamir Gibbs.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: I guarantee you both of us we weren't together and
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: both rolled our eyes. Going back in the first round,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: you don't do that. Well, you know what, they got
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: a strong offensive line, They got two really good backs,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: They have an okay receiving corps. They have a nice
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: tight end. They have a quarterback that got thrown out
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: of a city. But you know what, they play to
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: their identity. They run it. They're physical, they plack and
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: pass high high percentage, and they take shots at times
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: like but they pick guys.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: They are But when Jamison Williams is on the field,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: they have a guy who can stretch the field. They
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: have a tight end who can catch the ball, and
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: they have a guy who can work the intermediate routes
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 5: on the running game. I get it.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: What they go do? They invest the offensive line, They
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: invested in backs.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: Well, they drafted they also guess what, now, what's Jared
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: Goff talking?
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: They're talking about Jared Goff MVP candidate.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: Well, they invested in the offensive line. They drafted Pinay
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: Seoul high in the first round. They already had Decker.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: They already had Decker. They already had uh right now.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: So they they got they win got Zeitler free agency.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 5: Jacksonville could have got Zeitler for the same damn sandwich
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: that take out for him.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: Pete, You're missing my point. You can't just look at
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: one thing. They made an decision. This is who we are,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: this is how we're gonna play, and we're gonna build
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: it that way, right, So.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: What's the decision at Jacksonville? How do you play it?
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: And what you just said before, there's no identity. There's
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: no identity.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: First of all, you have to establish what you want
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: to be well.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: And that goes to the coaching part of it, doesn't it.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: I think it goes to the whole front office, coaching, GM,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: all of them together.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 9: You gotta be on the same page. And I'm not
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 9: by the way, I don't want anyone tweeting me or
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 9: say anything reading into it. I'm saying they're not. I'm
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 9: just saying the results aren't very good. That's all I'm saying.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: And my response in my ti rade here is to
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 4: Pete who said they.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: Just made it better bring Ben Johnson in, But they
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: haven't made a better Bring somebody in to make it better,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: make it better. They haven't made it better. They have
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: the number one overall pick in the draft and They've
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: rendered him into something that he isn't, which is average,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: and that's the problem.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: His receivers lead the league and drops since he joined
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: the NFL.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: Pete, the whole thing, Well, you should have got rid
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: of Keenan. I mean I got an answer for all
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: of them.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: He's coming in next week.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: By the way, Pete, I know you agree with me
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, because like you've got it, you can't
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: just like I get so tired of it because guess what,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: this is what everyone does. Let's go get the hot coordinator.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: And Ben Johnson is dang good coordinator, but he's also
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: in a great situation with it.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna go to another thing. Daniel steps into Washington
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: with Cliff Kingsbury, and their offensive line is a hodgepodge
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: of veterans. They signed because a lot of them are questionable,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: good questionable one going in mclaurin's a good player. The
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: runnback's a good player, not any better than what Jacksonville has.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: And yet they go in there because Kingsbury makes it
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: easy on the quarterback. The system. He quarterback's really good,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: don't get me wrong, but he made.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: It pretty good. Pe you know what else, he does.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: He's in the building like a four point thirty every
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: morning doing studying and oculus and all this.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, no, I love the kid, Don't get me wrong.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: I thought he was the best quarterback in the draft class.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: But but again, a coaching system, the whole thing can
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: make the quarterback better.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: It's everything around it. It's the whole organization. It's who
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: you are, what your identity is.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: It's typing better now than he was a year ago.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: Yes or no, I can't say. I don't think so.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: Then then there's a problem. I mean, he's either he's
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: not good, which I don't believe, or they're holding him back.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: And I'm a big believer in that.
• 1:28:47
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  Speaker 2: forty four? Why do you think Strange played so few
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: snaps this week? Would have expected him to get targets
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: with us so thin at wide receiver, not everybody at once.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Oh hope you don't have Tony go ahead.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: Tony, Tony go ahead?
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: I thought he go ahead, there you go. Yeah, I'm mute.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: I was shocked, which would be that would be bad
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: if you were on that the whole show sometime, geez.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: I was shocked by that because I thought they I
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: thought the best. If I was saying, okay, who's the
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: best group on the field for them, it would be
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: Brian Thomas Junior. But now he was beat up all week,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: so who knows how much practice he could get any
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: And he's a rookie, so you got to be careful
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: if he's not practicing H Parker, Washington, Strange, and Evan
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: Ingram with either E Tan or I'm a big, big
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: Sbey fan, but he was beat up too, so but
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: either one of those, any of the backs, Like I
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: thought that was your best personnel grouping, that would put
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: them in a little bit of a bind of how
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: they matched up with Ingram because now they have to
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: decide do they go base personnel to stop the run
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: because you can run it out of twelve, or do
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: they go to nickel to match up with Ingram. I
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: thought we'd see a lot of that, and we did not.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean Trammel played how many steps? He played
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: like thirty five? And I think Strange play nine.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: And this is nothing he has trouble because he actually
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: did some He ran some good routes. You know that
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: he did. He ran some good rounds. Can I why
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: we're on Trammel? Why in the hell was he returning punts?
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: Can I get that? Can I get that? Because Washington
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: was playing receivers?
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: So what so what Trammel ended up playing just as
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: bad as much receivers?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: I mean you talk about a mistake. That's a mistake.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: I disagreed with that decision.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Now, now it's not his first time returning punts, by
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: the way. I mean, he played in LA.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: He's a great but he catches the ball very well.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: So they were they were.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: Very very well. And he dropped it very well too.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: He didn't dry he got He caught it and started running.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: Got hit.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: First of all, he should have fair caught that ball.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: Dropping it is when you fumble it. He fumbled it.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: If you don't catch it clean. He caught it clean
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: and started running.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: Okay, but why would you not have washed its back there?
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: I would have, particularly after he had one for a
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 5: touchdown a couple of weeks ago.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: I would have Pete, you're missing my point.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: Okay, Well what's the point? What's their point? What would
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: be that point?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: They didn't want to because Parker was starting, They didn't
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: want to have him returned punts too. But if I'm
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: not mistaken, on the first play, wasn't Trammell out there
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: on the field on the first play of the game.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: I think he was.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 5: So so you're so one of your put the other
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: starting receiver off that you got him off the street
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: and put him over there, off the practice squad put
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: him over there. It makes no there's no reasoning behind that,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: no testifying it. I'm sorry, there's no justifying it.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: I'm not talking about you.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Unless they saw something in the practice field we didn't see.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Uh, let's get one more question and
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: then we got to go around the league at Jacob
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: Brighthart too, or slow starts being caused by poor execution
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: by the players, or a poor script by the play callerer,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: or I'm gonna I'm.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: Always gonna I give the players the credit and I'm
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: gonna take give them the blank. I think it's the
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: Jimmy's and Joe's not tax as well.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 5: How about if I give him a ten places for
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: this week and see if it works.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: I would love that. I would love it. The problem
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: is I don't. I would have a hard time rooting
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: against my Jaguars. But I want you to fail, so
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: I can.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: I know you want to take some criticism next week.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: That would be a way to do it.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: I know one of those plays I put Brian, I
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: put Brian Thomas on a post corner route and get
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: him for about forty.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm listen. Bet you like to claim that you
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: could be an offensive coordinator.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: I couldn't. I could not be. I'll be honest with you.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: I could not be. I would never pretend to say
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: that I could be. But I know, just like I
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: could never direct a movie, but I know what looks
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: good on the big screen, and I know ways to
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: make it better.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: I could get your run game for you. That's about it.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: I could I get your protection a run game when
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: it comes to routes and coverages.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: But just like little things, I couldn't. I wouldn't the
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: design of that play that they ran for daners Johnson.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: I would have had it run a different way, just
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: just for the exact reasons I explained. That's all I'm saying.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: All Right, fanatics, fan questions are in. We're done. We
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  Speaker 2: got to touch around the league. We got like three
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: minutes left to go around the NFL.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: Go fast, because you got to do your Monday night chorus.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got two minutes basically. So what stands out,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: Pete about around the league yesterday? What's the number one
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: thing that of all these games stood out to you
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: the most?
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: Well, I think the Cowboys are toast. I mean, that's
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: it's sad. But because you look at the Cowboys, you
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: think that they were going to make a little push
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  Speaker 5: to win that division. They're done. They're finished. The Ravens
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  Speaker 5: exposed the Broncos a little bit on Sunday, and the
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  Speaker 5: Ravens are dynamic on offense. By the way, Todd Monkin
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  Speaker 5: doing a hell of a job calling plays in Baltimore.
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  Speaker 5: He's really adapted to what they do. And I think
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  Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson's adapted to what he does. It's really working.
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  Speaker 5: So that's a couple of things. Joe Flack starting, did
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  Speaker 5: it work out? No, he did nothing. He did nothing.
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  Speaker 5: Anthony Richards has not been good. But you make that move,
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  Speaker 5: you got to get more than three points out of it.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: So that's just a couple of the things going on
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  Speaker 5: around the league.
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  Speaker 2: Tony, I would watch them.
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  Speaker 4: The Jags, so I.
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  Speaker 5: Mean, I can go round more I can give.
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  Speaker 4: I watched, I didn't, I watched. I stayed in Philly
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  Speaker 4: last night. I didn't go back with the team because
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  Speaker 4: I had a meeting in uh I'd go to Chicago
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  Speaker 4: this morning. I did watch the entire Sunday night game
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  Speaker 4: as tired as I was. I did not see that
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  Speaker 4: being a defensive battle. I mean the goal, the Colt's defense.
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  Speaker 4: Give them credit. They scored seven and they played good things,
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  Speaker 4: played tough.
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  Speaker 5: But here, here's the other thing about that, Joe Flacco
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  Speaker 5: had problems with a lot of those coverages, those dropping
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  Speaker 5: out and everything. If he having problems with those, and
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  Speaker 5: Jacksonville doesn't dictate tempo in that game, which is what
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  Speaker 5: I think they should do, and they getting third and long,
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  Speaker 5: that's gonna be a problem next week.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's not just third and long, second and long again.
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  Speaker 4: They're gonna they do a lot of exotic stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Monday Night Football, Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
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  Speaker 2: at four and four head two arrowhead to face Patrick
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  Speaker 2: Mahomes and the final undefeated team in the NFL, the
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  Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs at seven to zero. Inclement weather in
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  Speaker 2: the forecast in Kansas City. Who you got tonight?
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  Speaker 4: Not gonna be close? No, no Godwin, no Evans, no
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  Speaker 4: Mike Evans. Tough lads, really good tamp I mean a
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  Speaker 4: really good Chiefs defense. I see this as a ten
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  Speaker 4: plus point victory for the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 5: I agree, and I think getting Hopkins. Why he might
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  Speaker 5: not help every team, He's gonna help that team because
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  Speaker 5: he knows how to sit down in zones and create
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  Speaker 5: help Kelsey get open. So run defense tops in the league.
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  Speaker 5: They're gonna shut down the Bucks run game. It's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be ugly.
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  Speaker 4: I feel bad because I think the Bucks were a
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: pretty interesting team when they got it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so they got hurt. They can't you know, they
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  Speaker 5: can't keep up. Baker Mayfield as seven interceptions in the
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: last three games. He's throwing touchdown passes by turn it over.
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  Speaker 2: You have it. You heard it here first. That's Monday
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  Speaker 2: Night Football. We'll do it again next week after the
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  Speaker 2: Vikings come to town. Gentlemen, have a great week.
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  Speaker 4: You want to lock it?
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  Speaker 5: No, there's not a chance in hell. I'm locking that Game's.
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