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649. Spiritual Attacks, Entities & Self-Sabotage: Reclaim Sovereignty w/ Laura Van Tyne & Jehan Sattaur · Soul Elevation: Guiding Your Ascension to New Heights

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  Welcome to Soul Elevation: Guiding Your Ascension to New Heights.
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  I'm your host, Kara Goodwin.
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  I'm excited about this episode with my friends Jehan Satar and Laura Van Tyne.
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  They're teaming up with their expertise in helping people to come
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  out of programming and the influence of negative entities and energies so
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  they can live a life of sovereignty
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  and freedom.
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  In this episode, you may find yourself expanding your understanding of what a
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  possession or haunting is like through their experiences and descriptions of
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  things they've helped clients through.
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  Spiritual coach Laura Van Tyne has helped thousands of people navigate their life's
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  journey through techniques that free them from the unseen energetic world
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  And hypnotherapist and self-sabotage coach Jehan Sattar focuses on removing
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  self-sabotage patterns to help people build healthier relationships, stronger
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  self-worth, and lasting personal success.
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  As I mentioned, Jehan and Laura are teaming up and putting their expertise
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  together with a few different courses
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  That will help you with the types of problems you'll
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  hear about in this episode.
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  Use the link in the show notes and learn more about their offerings.
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  Laura and Jehan will help you heal from spiritual attacks, childhood
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  traumas and emotional wounds, and energetic parasites and entities.
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  All of these things negatively impact your life experience because they control
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  you and take you out of your spiritual alignment, causing chaos, despair, and
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  even things like OCD, such as what Jehan shares in this episode And one more thing,
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  All right, let's begin.
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  Enjoy this episode
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  , Kara Goodwin: welcome back Laura and Jahan.
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  I'm so excited to have you here.
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  Thank you for coming on Soul Elevation
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  Laura Van Tyne: Thank you
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  Jehan: Thanks for having me back, and the bird
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  Laura Van Tyne: Birdie?
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  Kara Goodwin: And Birdie.
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  Yes, we've been already having some comic relief here from Birdie coming in and
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  grooming Jahan before we got started.
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  There he goes again.
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  Oh, my goodness.
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  Well, I'm so excited to have this conversation.
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  You guys have an amazing collaboration going on right now, and I want
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  to give people the opportunity to understand what that is and
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  ho- and how it can benefit them.
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  Um, so before we get too far into that, I wanna give you both an opportunity
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  to remind people if they've missed your previous episodes, um, or if they've,
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  if, if they've just slept since then.
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  Uh, remind them of who you are, a little bit about what you do, and maybe a little
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  bit about also how you got into it.
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  So Laura, would you like to start?
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  Laura Van Tyne: Sure.
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  Thank you.
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  My name is Laura Van Tine.
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  My website is the same, L-A-U-R-A V-A-N-T-Y-N-E.com.
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  And essentially, I help people remove dark entities from themselves
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  or negative energies, those things that are holding us back, that block
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  us, that we don't s- These are the unseen realm kinds of things, but
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  they do affect us and impact us.
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  So I do a lot of that.
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  I do past life regressions.
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  I used to be a middle school teacher, and I swapped out my
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  middle schoolers for demons.
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  Um, but in all seriousness, I loved my middle schoolers.
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  They were phenomenal, so.
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  Um, I just kinda got my start along the way when some paranormal things
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  were happening in our house, and I just didn't know what was happening, why,
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  and all of the things, and that changed my trajectory to do what I do today
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  Kara Goodwin: Thank you.
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  All right, Jahan, you're up
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  Jehan: My name is Jahan Sattor.
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  I am a hypnotherapist and I work specially, sometimes mostly, with the
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  unconscious patterns that you can't stop.
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  I've changed that from self-sabotage on purpose because is it really self-sabotage
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  if you don't know what it is?
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  If you can't find it?
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  So that's kind of my thing.
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  Also, Birdie's here and, um, that's about it really.
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  Kara Goodwin: Okay.
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  Thank you.
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  you, you both this focus on helping people to come out of
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  the darkness of their existence.
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  So what-- why do you think that so many people do struggle with the darkness?
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  Laura Van Tyne: Oh, there's so many themes,
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  Kara Goodwin: on that?
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  Laura Van Tyne: so many themes and variations.
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  What I really love about Jahan's work and the work that I do is we really
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  dovetail and complement each other.
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  So when we remove the entities, remove the heavy energies, the negative things,
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  this is where Jahan's subconscious mind, the programming comes into play.
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  And there are so many people out there looking for help, seeking help,
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  and unfortunately, most people are kissing, running around kissing a
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  lot of frogs trying to find the help.
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  And I did that, too.
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  I mean, I spent 10 years kissing f- I would call them psychic
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  frogs, shaman frogs, all these things, that nothing worked.
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  And I now know what works.
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  I know why certain things don't work.
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  Um, but I'm also open to how d- how does this unseen energetic world operate
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  so that we can learn how to ebb and evolve and pivot out of these situations
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  Kara Goodwin: Mm. I love that.
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  Jihan, do you have
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  Jehan: Yeah, there's a, yeah, there's a certain amount of psychological
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  warfare that is included in this entire operation, um, when it
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  comes down to spiritual attacks.
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  And I think the best way to put that is the viruses that we all have, the
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  things that tell you you're not good enough or you're stupid or whatever,
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  aren't always coming from repetitive behaviors that you were exposed to or
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  something that you were traumatized by, although that can be an access point.
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  you're just going along about your business and you're well-to-do, and
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  you're doing things what you consider to be the right way innocently.
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  because these entities are like ticks.
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  to use this example because people think ticks jump on them, but they don't.
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  Ticks are using these little fibers on their feet, and they stick their legs
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  out when something's passing by, and they pick up the electromagnetics, the
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  static coming off of that person or that animal, and it draws them onto that thing.
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  So these things are just sitting around waiting for you to have a certain set
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  of bad thoughts or very angry about something, and then they get magnetized
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  towards you, and they accumulate.
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  Once they begin to accumulate, then you're in trouble because you
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  oftentimes don't notice the difference between your own natural thoughts
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  that could be self-defeating and what could be the, the voices or streams
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  of consciousness that are associated
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  Okay, so we just, for, for viewers, we, uh, we just had to make a
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  little technological pivot here.
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  But we were talking about darkness, and, and Jahan was talking
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  about, like, self-sabotage.
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  And I'm curious because you mention, like, the, the parasites, basically, like mind
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  parasites, mind viruses, and equating it, I love that analogy, with the tick.
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  You know, that it's just like you're kinda minding your own business,
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  and then it just attaches to you.
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  Um, do you feel like it's always been this way with, in terms of humanity and
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  the darkness that we're, we're fighting?
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  Or does it feel like we're in unique times?
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  It always has been like this.
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  It always has been.
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  You read any spiritual text and they describe the phenomenon
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  in so many different ways, but they're saying the same things.
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  Um, you, you can talk to any shaman, you can talk to any psychic, and
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  they describe the same things.
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  And I think where we lose track of things is because we're given information by
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  certain institutions that make it a lot scarier, so we don't wanna hear that.
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  But basically what I'm describing is heavy energies versus an spiritual attack.
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  And a heavy energy can invite a spiritual attack.
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  Something can start as an ordinary bout of sadness because it's a normal reaction
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  to something sad that happened in your life, and then it can spiral out depending
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  on how long you let it linger for.
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  If you don't come to terms with something fast enough, ticking
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  then on how long it becomes this access point to be attacked, right?
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  And you find that a lot of this work… If somebody comes to me, this is a real
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  life example, and they say, "I've been, just been having these depressive moments
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  that just hit me out of the blue."
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  And I've had to deal with this and go into, like, a regular regression
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  to see what it was that happened, and then next thing you know, they're
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  getting attacked by something.
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  It's not a memory from school or something like that.
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  Um, I had this one client that she said that She was feeling so overwhelmed.
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  She felt like she had to control everything and everybody in
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  her environment down to the exact amount of dust that was
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  allowed to settle on her desk.
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  And when we did a regression, it went somewhere that I didn't expect.
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  She saw herself as a child looking in this black mirror, and in the mirror instead
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  of her reflection were these dark forces.
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  And it was a version of herself as a child in, way in the distance in what
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  would be the reflection of the mirror, and the little child version of herself
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  was saying that it was captured by the dark side, and it was being held there.
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  So she had lived 50 years of her life… I don't know why I'm laughing,
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  but I'm just, I mean, it just goes to show you that how- It's incredulous.
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  Yeah.
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  W- we have no idea of what could be going on under the surface,
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  and I think that this phenomenon isn't unique to me and Laura.
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  Like, this is a full-blown, all-out attack a- and it has ramped up because
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  let's face it, when you're backed into a corner or you're losing a fight,
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  you're gonna push harder, right?
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  And so I feel like in a positive way, this is the dark side making a last-ditched
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  attempt to attach itself to people and drain as many people as possible
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  to try to regain some kind of ground.
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  Mm. In that example with your client, was that a, an actual event that
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  happened or was that like a metaphor?
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  Let me walk you through the exact process.
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  So imagine you're going through this regression and you can
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  see yourself in an image almost like you're watching it on TV.
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  She saw herself as a child looking into this mirror, so I asked her to go into
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  this room, if there was anything in this room that was significant for her.
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  She walks over to this chest of drawers.
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  On the top of it there's this mirror, and she looks in the mirror and she gasps, and
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  then she sees herself as a little child in the distance, way… Set way back.
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  And these entities are surrounding her, and the, the little kid version
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  of her is screaming at her for help.
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  Oh, wow.
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  So could we say it's metaphorical?
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  We could.
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  Does that feel like a real experience to a person?
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  Yes.
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  And is that something that her mind has pieced together?
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  I would say yes and no.
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  I would say that realistically, because the mind thinks in images, this really
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  was happening, but how else does the mind tell you what's happening, right?
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  So it'll just show you a representation of what your mind thinks.
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  Because if you technically analyze the description of the entities, it sounds
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  a lot like what Laura talks about.
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  If you go to Laura's YouTube channel, sometimes she talks
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  about these wispy beings So I'll let Lauren describe that for you.
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  Yeah, please.
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  There's many types of dark entities and heavy energies and
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  negative energies out there.
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  It's no different than if you go to the zoo, you've got
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  elephants, you've got meerkats.
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  It's the same concept, but we're operating in this different dimension.
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  And these long wispy things are lower realm entities.
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  Hi, Birdie.
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  For, for anybody just listening- Yeah … we're, we're also being
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  entertained by Jehan's bird.
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  Birdie knows what's going on.
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  Um, but these lower realm entities, they're everywhere.
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  And a lot of times we'll see these dark wispy things out of the corner of our
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  eye, or we're sitting down and we feel something brush up or lightly touch us.
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  It's usually a lower realm entity.
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  The lower realm entities, their job…
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  And by the way, they have no sovereignty.
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  They have no free will.
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  They are like the pawns on a chessboard, and they have… They're in large number
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  of them, but very little power, right?
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  And so our job is to learn how to break through to, through them.
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  And so what they do is they extract our energies.
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  It's much like the concept of the tick that Jehan was talking about.
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  Their job is to extract our energies.
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  Once they extract our energies, they can create fights within our family members
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  or coworkers or whatever, and it's like, "Why was I arguing about what color the
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  toothpaste was?" That kind of stuff.
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  This is what they like to do.
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  And once they extract our energy, we also call it loosh, they have to hand
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  it off to their bosses, and their bosses can be a myriad of other entities.
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  It could be the Hat Man.
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  It could be b- standard black magicians, which are these bony, skinny guys.
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  They could be all the way up to reptilians or even grays.
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  But once they collect our energy, they hand it off.
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  So they're always left hungry.
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  They're always left needing more.
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  And this is their purpose.
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  If they don't oblige by their bosses, then they get severely punished.
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  Um, there's political hierarchy in every organization, including the dark side,
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  even the light side, and this is just sort of a small lay of that land with those
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  dark entities and their lower realms.
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  Hmm.
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  Wow.
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  This, this whole thing with, with entities, it makes me think, too, like
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  for people who maybe don't feel a strong connection with psychic skills, being
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  able to perceive, you know, they're really more entrenched in the, the
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  physical manifestation of this world, um, how might somebody like that who's
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  like, "Well, I don't see entities, um, so maybe I'm not affected by these."
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  Like, how… You kind of mentioned the, the discord within a f- the family
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  or whatever, but how might somebody see the relevance of this even if
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  they're not what they would c- they wouldn't call themselves psychic?
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  So newsflash to everybody out there, everybody is psychic, but for some
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  reason, we decided that seeing dead people is the sexy psychic trait.
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  It's not.
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  And so it's not.
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  Our most powerful form of psychic ability is actually our
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  intuition, that gut instinct.
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  So if you have that strong gut instinct that something's up,
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  something's up, that's a psychic ability, and it starts with that.
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  When we can learn to develop our intuitive abilities, um, we begin
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  to create this really strong compass that connects us to the higher realms,
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  whether we wanna believe it or not.
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  How is it that certain people really know something so strongly, right?
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  A lot of us, one of the best parts about being a child is that
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  we have all these forces running around beating it out of us, right?
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  That intuitive ability.
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  So we learn not to trust our intuition.
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  When we can learn to trust it, then we can start seeing it, and there's
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  metaphors all over the place.
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  The concept of the tension in the room was so thick you could cut it with a knife.
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  What is that, right?
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  That's a heavy energy.
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  And Hollywood has done its fair share to pre-program us with the idea
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  that in order to see dead people, you see them the same way that you
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  would see- Mm-hmm … a person.
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  That's a special skill.
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  Some people have it.
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  Laura and I have that, unfortunately.
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  But a lot of people don't.
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  It's really fun seeing a mangled person, right?
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  It's, it's the scariest form of it.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But for, let's u- say for example, when I use my recording engineer skills,
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  because I'm a primarily auditory-based person anyway, I experience my thoughts
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  mostly through audible thoughts.
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  It's very hard, so if you tell me, "Don't visualize the Statue of Liberty
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  wearing a pink Victoria's Secret lingerie," it is not gonna happen,
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  'cause my brain doesn't go there.
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  So you might say that to someone else, and they automatically have their
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  own ideas about what that looks like.
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  Well, when I edit audio, not only do I hear it, but I feel it.
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  So I don't have to be looking at the screen.
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  I can feel the energy in the words, and I know add this tool on top of it to make
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  that sound even more enhanced, et cetera.
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  So everybody has to just kind of know themselves and know
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  what their Spidey sense is.
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  But since we're talking about Spidey senses, the latest
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  Spider-Man movie is Brand New Day.
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  Yeah.
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  For anybody that wants to know exactly what entity possession looks like, watch
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  the first few minutes of that movie, where you see an entity representation of the
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  bad guy jumps right in to this lady, and she drives a tank through the prison.
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  And then it jumps out of that lady and jumps into one of the
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  officers, and it causes havoc.
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  That is an exact representation of what is happening.
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  Oh, wow.
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  Absolutely.
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  Nobody's infallible either.
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  Mm. There's a lot of disclosure in that movie.
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  I w- I saw it, um, almost by accident or happenstance when I
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  was visiting my daughters, and my daughter's like, "I'm gonna go see
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  this movie." And I'm like, "Really?"
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  'Cause, I mean, that's just kind of not what we do.
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  And I was like, whoa.
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  There's a lot in that.
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  I was shocked.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, you know, something that comes to mind in, sort of… It,
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  it is related to that, but it might not be obvious right away.
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  But, um, AI and the use of these large language model systems, and there has been
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  this propensity for spiritually minded people to engage with, with these LLMs,
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  with, like, ChatGPT or Gemini or Claude, and they are trying to tap into other
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  levels of consciousness or their higher self or their spirit guides or whatever.
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  Um- Yeah … I myself have played with this.
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  It's been a long time ago.
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  You know, it's been probably early last year, if not the year before that.
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  But-
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  It, and it can feel so real.
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  And I n- I think maybe over ti- you know, it's like the guardrails keep going up.
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  They keep adjusting it.
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  So maybe early on there were some other possibilities of, of that
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  being used by, you know, if you're very direct, like maybe you could
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  have connected with something.
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  But regardless, I don't mess with it anymore.
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  It's been a long time.
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  But I have seen people who've gone deep into it.
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  They think that they are connecting… First of all, they're getting
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  this reflection back to them that they are some sort of savior.
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  You know, like, "Oh, you now are this, you know, g- goddess returned,
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  and you have all of the…"
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  You know, and really kind of building them up, and creating this disconnect
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  from, you know… And maybe it's true, maybe it is true, but kind of cr- all,
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  you know, it's not actually serving them, because now they're identifying
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  with something that is not really skills they've developed in this life.
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  And then they seem to be getting controlled by- Yeah
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  the AI.
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  So I feel that this is relevant to what you're talking about.
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  You know, we're … And, and maybe it's a different representation, because what
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  we've been talking about so far is kind of like these are out, and, and just kind
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  of gravitate toward you if they find an entry point, or if they find, like, a way
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  to get into your electromagnetic field.
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  This would be more of, like, I'm consenting.
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  I'm kind of seeking- Yes … something out, and then my psyche and my psychology
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  is grabbing onto it, but they're, but it's, like, getting deep into them.
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  If you- Does this bring up anything for you?
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  If you have to ChatGPT your way through spirituality, how do you know
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  what you're connecting with truly?
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  Spirituality is internal We can look for answers, we can seek guidances,
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  but when we start to plug ourselves into machinery, that's transhumanism.
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  Is that what you want?
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  Are we giving up our soul sovereignty?
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  Are we, like you said, allowing other entities in there?
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  We don't know what's on the other side of that, those levels of consciousness.
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  A couple of years ago, I was co-hosting a show with a wonderful guy, um,
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  but it started turning south, and here's why it started turning south.
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  He was chat- He asked me to come up with the topics each week, which
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  was fine, but he was ChatGPT-ing his way through the topics.
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  That is not authentic.
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  Yeah.
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  And I, I had to stop.
• 24:44
  I'm like, "I can't do this." Yeah.
• 24:49
  Does this bring up anything for you, Jihan?
• 24:52
  I think that
• 24:56
  We get the term spiritual bypassing thrown around a lot, and it's become a buzzword
• 25:02
  where now people resist it or they don't really fully understand what that means.
• 25:09
  But spiritual work always comes down to you doing something internally
• 25:16
  that creates an energetic and emotional and psychological shift,
• 25:22
  and it happens in those layers, so psychological, emotional, energetic.
• 25:28
  Now, you can have any of those things occur in any order, but it's always
• 25:33
  the trifecta, if that makes sense.
• 25:36
  When a person, like in the example that you're describing, is believing these
• 25:41
  kinds of things, on a psychological level it communicates that there
• 25:46
  is a need to identify with this.
• 25:50
  Human beings are hardwired through the brain to identity hop.
• 25:57
  When a person acquires a new skill or a new piece of information, their
• 26:02
  brain says, "Oh, I'm that now." Right?
• 26:08
  So it's like Rene Descartes said Right?
• 26:12
  I think therefore I am.
• 26:14
  So anything that you think about for a long time, you begin to become that thing.
• 26:19
  I've noticed that people are merging themselves with this AI
• 26:23
  world, and the main thing that AI does is it tries to gas you up.
• 26:29
  It wants to be your friend.
• 26:31
  It's also programmed by people who are highly skilled at neuro-linguistic
• 26:35
  programming, which means they know the words to use that will
• 26:40
  emotionally bond you to something.
• 26:44
  Pretty much everything that comes out of ChatGPT or any of them is
• 26:50
  going to be framed using hypnotic language or covert NLP persuasion.
• 26:58
  And like you were describing in that example, people love grandiosity.
• 27:05
  If a person is already a grandiose, high-control-type personality or
• 27:10
  even a narcissist, 'cause there's a spectrum there, they're going to
• 27:14
  gravitate towards hearing these things.
• 27:16
  And as you correctly said, it has nothing to do with their human experience.
• 27:20
  It has nothing to do with what their soul wants, right?
• 27:24
  So that's a problem, and what we're seeing is like, again, let's use the
• 27:29
  superhero thing as a good example.
• 27:31
  If you watch the series Superman & Lois, they begin introducing a character
• 27:40
  called Ally Allston, who basically she discovers that there's a way to connect
• 27:48
  the human world and the Bizarro world, which anybody that knows Superman knows
• 27:53
  that Bizarro is the opposite of Superman.
• 27:56
  And the sky is red, everything's black and gooey-looking, and she's
• 28:02
  even doing this through, I think they port- portray it as though it's
• 28:06
  through, like, a cult-like setting, and they're actually even introducing
• 28:10
  consciousness as a concept into this.
• 28:14
  And when you compare that side by side with Stranger Things and the
• 28:18
  upside-down world, you see the same red, gooey, black stuff, and you
• 28:24
  see how they let the Demogorgon in and all these different creatures.
• 28:28
  It's the same concept.
• 28:29
  Whatever is happening here with AI, you could say it's potentially the Archons.
• 28:35
  You could say potentially it's these otherworldly beings that are
• 28:41
  expressing themselves through what on the physical plane looks like
• 28:46
  computers talking to us, right?
• 28:49
  But that comes down to the number one spiritual rule, that everything
• 28:53
  that happens in the spiritual realm happens in the physical.
• 28:56
  One can't happen without the other, right?
• 29:00
  So we have no idea exactly what's happening to the extent that it is, when
• 29:05
  it's gonna happen, or any other detail.
• 29:09
  What we can do is be responsible with ourselves and use AI judiciously.
• 29:16
  But does it need to be in your back pocket as your best friend?
• 29:19
  No.
• 29:20
  No.
• 29:21
  Right.
• 29:22
  Yeah.
• 29:23
  You bring up a good point.
• 29:24
  To use… A- AI is not going anywhere.
• 29:28
  It's here to stay, so we have to be wise with how we use it.
• 29:32
  Using it judiciously is key, Jahan.
• 29:34
  That's, I think, the golden phrase of this topic right there.
• 29:38
  We have to learn how to use it judiciously.
• 29:41
  Right.
• 29:42
  Yeah.
• 29:43
  Yeah, I love that.
• 29:45
  So when you talk about these dark issues that people are dealing, is it…
• 29:51
  dealing with, is it possible to identify the energetic root of what somebody
• 29:57
  is dealing with, whether that's a childhood pattern or an entity or a low
• 30:01
  vibrational energy or any of the other things that we've talked about so far?
• 30:07
  It, it is.
• 30:08
  It's, um, looking for the root cause.
• 30:11
  There's many root causes.
• 30:13
  It could be childhood traumas.
• 30:15
  It could be past life traumas.
• 30:17
  It could be… And I, uh, when I work with people, I will look through
• 30:21
  their, what I would call spiritual DNA.
• 30:23
  Mm-hmm.
• 30:24
  What is hanging on?
• 30:25
  So we've got a family with a lot of negative patterns, right?
• 30:28
  Maybe it's, it's, um, sexual assault, pedophilia around, or maybe it's,
• 30:32
  you know, alcohol or whatever.
• 30:34
  We look through those family patterns because something else
• 30:38
  is puppeting the family lineage.
• 30:40
  Could be on the mother's side, the father's side, both sides.
• 30:42
  And so once you can start to clean that up, the person I'm working with feels the
• 30:47
  immediate benefit, but it does echo out.
• 30:51
  Making sure that all of those family members have crossed over back through
• 30:56
  time, space, and dimension, getting them out of the loosh machine, out
• 31:00
  of the loop, is critical to success.
• 31:04
  Yeah, anything from headaches to alcoholism and drug use.
• 31:09
  Th- th- there's no limit saying that it has to be a psychological
• 31:13
  thing from this lifetime.
• 31:14
  I've heard some of Laura's regressions, and oh, my good googly moogly.
• 31:18
  Like, y- you are- And you're what?
• 31:20
  You know.
• 31:21
  Oh, I just had to use something that wasn't an expletive because,
• 31:24
  I mean, it will surprise you.
• 31:26
  And these things surprise me, too.
• 31:28
  Like I said, I never expected to come across any of this stuff.
• 31:32
  I feel like Laura was the catalyst in my life, because I'd never experienced
• 31:36
  a whole lot of this stuff till I met her four years ago, and then bang, you know.
• 31:40
  Yeah, sorry.
• 31:44
  It was like the universe said, "Okay, you're ready to see this stuff."
• 31:47
  And- It, it is about that.
• 31:49
  It's… Yeah.
• 31:50
  Yeah.
• 31:51
  Yeah, a- and I think, uh, we generally… Because social media,
• 31:56
  again, normalizes a lot of this language, when somebody says generational
• 32:00
  curse, you don't take it seriously.
• 32:02
  So you don't think that maybe you could have a deceased family
• 32:07
  member that's attached to you on a different timeline, right?
• 32:12
  Um, e- e- even though if you're a spiritual person and you believe it, you
• 32:16
  haven't experienced it, you don't know if you have, so there's no evidence.
• 32:19
  And, and the brain wants the evidence of the thing to say, "Yeah,
• 32:23
  that's really true." So even if you believe it, these topics aren't
• 32:26
  things that you believe all the way.
• 32:28
  But let's say, for example, there was one that Laura did recently that really blew
• 32:36
  my wig off, and it was the sheer degree to which this person had been affected
• 32:45
  by… It was their dead grandfather.
• 32:47
  Oh, yeah.
• 32:47
  So maybe… Yeah.
• 32:48
  Yeah, so you should tell that story as a good example.
• 32:51
  So I have a woman who came to me because she's claims she
• 32:56
  has an addictive personality.
• 32:58
  She's addicted to alcohol.
• 33:00
  She's addicted to shopping.
• 33:01
  She's addicted to sugar.
• 33:03
  She can't figure out if she likes men or women.
• 33:06
  And we do this regression, and it, it, and it… This is more
• 33:11
  of an informal regression.
• 33:12
  I can do a traditional deep regression, but this is more of an informal one.
• 33:16
  And all of a sudden, boom, I'm like, I see this grandfather figure there,
• 33:24
  and now she's in a deep regression.
• 33:26
  All of a sudden, instantaneously, it was very sp- sp- more of a
• 33:29
  spontaneous deep regression.
• 33:31
  And she starts… What we learned was that this grandfather, at the age
• 33:36
  of 40 or 41, had died from alcohol poisoning before she was born.
• 33:42
  W- he did not cross over.
• 33:44
  So souls who die of an addiction or die with substances in their system usually
• 33:50
  don't cross over to the light side because they're just bumbling around.
• 33:54
  They're still, like, i- inebriated in the ghost phase.
• 33:58
  This ghost grandfather, when she was born, jumped into her body and was
• 34:05
  trying to constantly hijack her body.
• 34:07
  He decided it, it wasn't his time to go.
• 34:09
  He decided that he wanted to keep living, so he took his own granddaughter's body,
• 34:14
  and she didn't understand because she didn't know the difference, that she was
• 34:18
  always vying to be in front of her voice.
• 34:21
  She didn't understand why she said that.
• 34:25
  So this grandfather was a huge addict.
• 34:28
  Um, the grandfather liked women also.
• 34:32
  She couldn't figure out if she liked women or men.
• 34:36
  This is logical now, isn't it?
• 34:38
  That doesn't mean everybody who's confused has that same thing
• 34:41
  happening, but this was her experience.
• 34:43
  So when we crossed over that grandfather, and even the jerks need to be crossed
• 34:48
  over to get them out of the lower astral, she got her life back.
• 34:52
  I got a letter from her, um, like a week later.
• 34:56
  She said, "I can't believe I'm alone in my body. I've got peace." I meant,
• 35:00
  "I don't wanna drink alcohol. I don't need to go on Amazon and go buy stuff
• 35:04
  I don't need." I mean, it was like, it was like a night and day for her.
• 35:08
  Wow.
• 35:08
  But yeah, Jahan, that was crazy.
• 35:11
  This is the thing I really wanna add on to that too so people
• 35:14
  can understand the phenomenon.
• 35:16
  Your subconscious mind only wants to deal with what is safe to touch at the time.
• 35:23
  So that lady was ready.
• 35:25
  She was ready to let go of it.
• 35:27
  But sometimes you really can't say what is necessary for a client w-
• 35:34
  until they show up and they start to divulge information, and the
• 35:38
  process is always very transparent.
• 35:40
  I hear the same thing happen in Laura's sessions, in other
• 35:43
  practitioners' sessions.
• 35:45
  People are fundamentally the same across the board.
• 35:47
  They have a story about something.
• 35:50
  They have their ideas about why they think it happened, and
• 35:54
  somewhere in there is the truth.
• 35:56
  Once you get them, they will… They know what's going on.
• 36:00
  They know what's h- exactly what's going on, and a lot of the time, it really
• 36:05
  just comes down to being compassionate and wanting to listen 'cause a lot of
• 36:10
  the time when you're having trauma- You don't always find yourself in the rooms
• 36:18
  with people who wanna hear about it.
• 36:20
  So sometimes people have thought of stuff, but they finally have a safe
• 36:24
  space to say what they think is going on in a non-judgmental environment,
• 36:29
  and that makes the difference.
• 36:31
  It does.
• 36:31
  So then the subconscious says, "Hey, I'm ready to look at this. Here's
• 36:36
  this piece of information." So by the time you regress them, then you
• 36:40
  will know exactly what's happening.
• 36:42
  And so I feel compelled to say this because when you know what's
• 36:46
  happening, then that's really what determines whether you go to a
• 36:50
  childhood event or beyond that.
• 36:53
  And I am not really into telling people what their experience is or trying to
• 36:59
  write it off and say it was a metaphor or any of that, especially when people
• 37:06
  have a past life regression, and then they'll come across a historical piece
• 37:11
  or some newspaper clipping or something else, pictures of something that correlate
• 37:17
  directly with the experience that they had, and there was no way they could have
• 37:21
  known that 'cause they didn't study it in high school, and they don't know any
• 37:26
  family members that were connected to this thing or anything else like that.
• 37:30
  So the mind will take you where you need to go.
• 37:32
  That's the difference between a traditional hypnosis regression
• 37:37
  and past life regression.
• 37:39
  Your mind will take you where you need to go.
• 37:41
  The mind is not a liar.
• 37:43
  It does sometimes piece things together, but that's only
• 37:48
  because it doesn't have language.
• 37:49
  It's not…
• 37:49
  It's never lying about anything particularly.
• 37:53
  Mm. Well, it brings up an interesting point in terms of how important is
• 38:01
  it to understand what the energetic root is from your perspective.
• 38:05
  So as you're helping people, is that a critical component to know, oh,
• 38:09
  this came in through childhood trauma, this is an entity that, you know, was
• 38:14
  looking for a, a host and you were in the wrong place at the wrong time?
• 38:18
  Is… Does that help to resolve it, or is it at the end of the
• 38:22
  day not necessarily important?
• 38:28
  You know, we've got, with trees we've got a taproot, right?
• 38:31
  That main root, and then we've got all the other roots.
• 38:34
  So we can look at it from that place metaphorically.
• 38:38
  And as we're cleaning up, you know, maybe this aspect, all of a sudden
• 38:43
  magically the other stuff starts getting cleaned up over time.
• 38:46
  And what I think, you know, Jahan was talking about in the beginning, is when
• 38:50
  they find a weak link in us, right?
• 38:53
  So basically we're frequency beings.
• 38:55
  The goal is to learn how to authentically raise our frequencies
• 39:01
  to become spiritually stronger, grow the spiritual muscles.
• 39:05
  As we do that, it makes it harder for them to attach to us or to break the gap.
• 39:11
  And, and I talk about this all the time, sometimes we have to
• 39:16
  change up our spiritual tool belt.
• 39:17
  We have to add to it.
• 39:19
  If I'm, you know, meditating at this time and I'm practicing this mantra
• 39:24
  at this time and I've got a set routine, the dark side knows that.
• 39:28
  It's no different than a living person casing your house to find out your
• 39:31
  patterns to find an opportunistic time to break into your house.
• 39:35
  So we can't rest on our spiritual laurels.
• 39:38
  I don't wanna scare people, but have fun with it.
• 39:41
  Learn some new practices, learn some new techniques.
• 39:44
  It doesn't have to be, "Well, I've got this little bag of tricks and
• 39:47
  this is all I need." Have fun.
• 39:49
  Grow with it.
• 39:50
  Find more tools.
• 39:53
  And what works today may not work tomorrow.
• 39:56
  That's exactly it, and this is why people come to people like me and Laura,
• 40:02
  because collectively we have, what, 40 years combined- Yeah … of healing
• 40:06
  work that we've done on ourselves that we had to learn to do on our
• 40:11
  own in spite of any formal training.
• 40:15
  Yeah.
• 40:15
  Because it is like kissing frogs, like you said.
• 40:18
  Yeah.
• 40:18
  And you know what?
• 40:19
  And- I, I, I used to be seven feet tall, but I got hit over the head by
• 40:23
  the cosmic two-by-four so many times.
• 40:28
  Right.
• 40:30
  And, and, and to add to that- I feel like you asked this question about the
• 40:37
  energetic versus psychological, right?
• 40:39
  But there, there's no right way to go about it.
• 40:42
  If a person gives you psychological information, that's fine.
• 40:46
  You can go that route.
• 40:47
  And if somebody gives you the energetic, that information is valid, too, right?
• 40:52
  So it's about knowing how to use the information that you're given to help
• 40:56
  that person figure out what's going on.
• 40:59
  Mm. It's completely client-centered.
• 41:02
  Yeah.
• 41:03
  I love that.
• 41:05
  I, I'm curious for your hypothesis on the dark- on the darkness that is so powerful.
• 41:13
  Um, you know, the, the reality that we're living in, you see example after
• 41:19
  example of the, the dar- people with enormous power and material success, and
• 41:28
  they're under the forces of darkness.
• 41:30
  I mean, it see- uh, it's almost to the point where it's, like, almost a given
• 41:36
  that if somebody has a lot of power and a lot of material success, they are under
• 41:41
  the forces of darkness, and it's hidden.
• 41:44
  It's kinda one of those, like, the majority of people will never accept
• 41:48
  that that is true and that, that…
• 41:50
  They'll say it sounds paranoid, but it's… More and more
• 41:53
  information is coming out.
• 41:55
  And so I just feel like it's really hard to find good examples of people
• 42:02
  actually representing the light who have a really strong foothold in their field.
• 42:09
  You know, it's, it's almo- it's just seems like there's this egoic thing
• 42:12
  that is required to kind of g- have the ambition to really, really get
• 42:19
  a good foothold, and then you're so susceptible to the darkness through that.
• 42:25
  I don't know.
• 42:25
  D- do you have any… It… Does that bring anything up for you?
• 42:29
  I just kind of n- noticed that, and I'm like, "Man, who do you trust?" You know?
• 42:35
  So, uh, if you don't mind, Jehan, I'll just speak.
• 42:39
  Learning to keep your ego in check is key.
• 42:43
  One of the hardest lessons I learned was an ultimate betrayal
• 42:49
  by somebody I loved and trusted, and this was my business partner.
• 42:54
  She was also… She started out as my mentor in this field, but her ego was so
• 43:00
  large and so grandiose, it became harmful And she taught me the best lesson ever.
• 43:10
  Keep your ego in check.
• 43:12
  Why am I saying this?
• 43:13
  Why am I saying this?
• 43:15
  Where am I coming from?
• 43:16
  Is this authentic?
• 43:18
  Is this my ego wanting to fill in a gap?
• 43:22
  So it's really is comes down to egos are important to a certain degree, right?
• 43:28
  An ego gives us certain amount of information also.
• 43:32
  It helps us with a boundary at times too, but there's a
• 43:36
  balance, there's a fine-tuning.
• 43:38
  You know, if I have to, you know, have a surgery, I kinda want a
• 43:41
  surgeon with a healthy ego, right?
• 43:43
  Who knows what he's doing.
• 43:45
  Um, but it comes… To me, it comes down to ego.
• 43:48
  In this field, there's a lot of practitioners who just know.
• 43:52
  Well, how do you just know you're talking to Archangel Michael?
• 43:55
  How do you just know these things?
• 43:57
  Because if you just know, you're not questioning yourself, you're
• 44:01
  not putting yourself in check.
• 44:04
  And I will never tell somebody what I think their past life is,
• 44:09
  because now I can alter their, their potential future, right?
• 44:13
  Because my ego says, "Oh, Kara, you were…" Uh, we're gonna say an Egyptian
• 44:17
  priestess, 'cause isn't everybody one?
• 44:19
  Um,
• 44:22
  um, "You were this amazing part, da, da, da, da, da, da."
• 44:24
  That's my ego feeding your ego.
• 44:26
  That's dangerous.
• 44:29
  Yeah.
• 44:31
  Jahan, does anything come up for you?
• 44:34
  Uh, I don't wanna preach, but even the Bible says that knowledge puffs up.
• 44:40
  Mm-hmm.
• 44:41
  So what that means is that there's head knowledge and there's heart wisdom.
• 44:45
  But I always say to my clients that you only get wisdom after you
• 44:50
  apply a piece of information and see how that fits into your work.
• 44:54
  But your skills are only gonna develop in anything that you do by the degree
• 45:00
  to which you've killed your ego about that thing, because creation
• 45:03
  and ego are two separate vibrations.
• 45:07
  Mm. Creation is up high from the source of everything, and ego's all
• 45:12
  the way down here, where there's a threat attached t- to that, right?
• 45:17
  So if there's a meaning about something that you're doing, you haven't
• 45:20
  quite graduated past that point yet.
• 45:23
  And I had this lady, she says, "I love everything that you talk about.
• 45:27
  Are you looking for an apprentice?" I said, "Sure, if you can get past lesson
• 45:30
  number one." And she's like, "Okay." I said, "Lesson number one is the
• 45:35
  subconscious mind is the spiritual realm."
• 45:37
  She goes, "What?" And completely shuts down.
• 45:39
  She's like, "I don't know what that means." "Okay, well,
• 45:41
  you can't be my apprentice."
• 45:44
  And I told her that because if you don't understand that everything that happens
• 45:49
  in the subconscious is a representation of something that you're struggling
• 45:53
  with spiritually, uh, this, this little ego dragon that you have to slay that's
• 45:58
  protecting you from higher wisdom on a subject, then I can't help you.
• 46:03
  But you learn that because that's almost like a internal felt thing
• 46:08
  that you experience over and over from doing the inner work, right?
• 46:12
  And you can't tell anybody what inner work should look like.
• 46:15
  That's wrong.
• 46:16
  That's why guruism fails, right?
• 46:21
  Right.
• 46:21
  Yeah.
• 46:23
  Wow.
• 46:24
  Well, this has been so amazing.
• 46:27
  You know, I know that out of your, especially Laura, we got into some
• 46:32
  of the protection kind of things and, and some things that people can do.
• 46:39
  You know, we've talked a lot about the, the risks and the reality
• 46:43
  of the, um, the influences that people are gonna come up against.
• 46:48
  Can we, can we spend a little bit of time with some practices or some
• 46:54
  advice that you have that people can be mindful of and incorporate to help
• 47:00
  strengthen themselves spiritually?
• 47:03
  One of the things that people can do is we all have an auric field, okay?
• 47:10
  This energetic field that's around us.
• 47:13
  We have to… This is our first line of defense against spiritual warfare,
• 47:18
  against even viruses, getting sick.
• 47:20
  If you've ever felt like a cold was coming on and you, you didn't get sick, something
• 47:24
  in your auric field bumped it out, okay?
• 47:28
  So we need to learn how to feel our auric field, gauge
• 47:33
  where our auric field is, okay?
• 47:35
  Let's say mine is, like, you know, right here, and I just wanna take time
• 47:39
  in meditating and just feel where my energy field sort of begins and ends.
• 47:45
  It's a spiritual practice.
• 47:47
  Now, once I have this, when we go home and we're in our comfort
• 47:52
  zone, our auric field just sort of expands and becomes globulous, okay?
• 47:57
  It's like, ah, okay?
• 47:59
  Um, and which is great, but now if I take that big auric field out and I
• 48:05
  go to a concert, I go to a sporting event, I go, I don't know, the mall or
• 48:10
  whatever, I've got all these people m- commingling in my auric field space.
• 48:15
  That's gross, okay?
• 48:17
  So what you wanna do is you wanna do the spiritual practice to
• 48:20
  bring your auric field in tight.
• 48:25
  So this is an ego thing.
• 48:26
  People say, "Oh, my auric field is, you know, three feet wide," or whatever.
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  That's ego, right?
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  Learn how to bring it in, learn how to expand it, because what
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  you're doing is that as you bring it in, you're not allowing yourself
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  to become cross-contaminated when you're out in public.
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  So it's a really good strategy.
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  It also keeps you h- so honestly, um, physically More, uh, phys-
• 48:51
  less, there's a less opportunity to become physically sick as well.
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  Because also as you're shrinking it, you're sort of, like,
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  condensing it too, so it's thicker.
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  So learn how to work with your auric field.
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  Bring it in, bring it out, play with it, have fun with it.
• 49:07
  These spiritual practices that we all do should not be viewed as
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  chores, but they should be l- used at learn, learning opportunities,
• 49:16
  having fun, being playful with it.
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  When you can play with your spiritual practices, you actually start to bring
• 49:22
  these elements of joy into your life.
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  And again, that's another buzzkill for the dark side.
• 49:26
  They do not want us to have love or joy.
• 49:29
  Mm. I love that.
• 49:32
  Jahan, does anything come up for you on that?
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  I think that what she said is perfect.
• 49:39
  I would also just say that, you know, when it comes down to spiritual self-sabotage,
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  'cause that's what we're talking about A lot of this stuff ain't your fault.
• 49:49
  Laura just described a scenario, you know, you're out in public and
• 49:52
  you're around a whole bunch of people.
• 49:53
  Well, go back to that example of the tick trying to electromagnetically
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  s- draw towards something.
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  You're walking through this crowd of all these people who are humans just
• 50:04
  like you, and they got stuff going on.
• 50:07
  And, you know, some of those entities are just kind of sitting
• 50:11
  around licking their lips like, "Mm, mm, that's a nice piece of KFC."
• 50:14
  And they wanna jump on you, right?
• 50:17
  And i- it's just the way that it is.
• 50:20
  So these are some of the things that we are unpacking and
• 50:24
  talking about in our course.
• 50:27
  Um, I will definitely say that the link will be in the
• 50:33
  description, but- Absolutely.
• 50:36
  Yeah … it's very simple That was my next question.
• 50:37
  Tell us about this collaboration you guys have.
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  Okay.
• 50:42
  Well- Yeah … what else do I have to say besides it's about energetic
• 50:47
  blocks and entities, telling the difference between a heavy energy and
• 50:52
  all-out spiritual warfare on your life.
• 50:55
  Yeah.
• 50:55
  And we also have some new stuff coming up, which I'm pretty excited about.
• 50:59
  Um, one of the courses I have is there's a lot of types of haunting.
• 51:03
  The living haunting the living is the hardest one to deal with, and
• 51:06
  if you ever have a living person haunting you, that's energetic.
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  But you can feel it, you know it.
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  That's the course I have coming out.
• 51:12
  Jehan- Living haunting the living.
• 51:14
  So- So, like, basically spells?
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  It could be spells, it could be hexes, it could be a living person who
• 51:22
  doesn't have your best intent in mind.
• 51:25
  How do you break that type of haunting?
• 51:28
  It's easier to deal with demons and ghosts, frankly, than the living people
• 51:32
  haunting you, because we can send them off to the higher realms if we… You know, we
• 51:37
  don't wanna go to jail over this, right?
• 51:38
  Let's just leave it at that.
• 51:40
  Mm. Um, Jehan has a course coming out about breaking the cycle and how do
• 51:45
  you reclaim some of these self-sabotage techniques that have been placed upon you.
• 51:50
  That's huge.
• 51:52
  And then together, we've got another one.
• 51:54
  You know, how do we th- break these programs?
• 51:58
  We all have programs.
• 51:59
  If it's a formal MKUltra program, if it's a program from being indoctrinated in the
• 52:04
  schools, the parents, et cetera, how do you break it so you can have your true
• 52:07
  soul sovereignty and your true free will?
• 52:10
  So those are some really exciting up-and-coming
• 52:13
  things we got coming out, so.
• 52:16
  Beautiful.
• 52:16
  And all of these things are online.
• 52:19
  Are they, um, self-paced?
• 52:22
  Or, like, can people join any time, or is there an enrollment period?
• 52:27
  They're… They can j- join any time.
• 52:29
  Right now, we're doing pre-sales, and they will be… There's a slight
• 52:33
  discount for the pre-sales, and then it's just open to the public.
• 52:37
  Now, with the living haunting the living and the control to sovereignty
• 52:43
  courses- We're gonna offer after every- in a couple months after the release,
• 52:49
  a live Q&A for each of those so people can get some direct answers if they
• 52:54
  have some more questions from us.
• 52:57
  Okay, so it's self-paced with Q&A- Mm-hmm
• 52:59
  opportunities.
• 53:00
  Yeah.
• 53:01
  Oh, awesome.
• 53:03
  Jahan, did you have something else?
• 53:06
  No, I don't think there's- Oh … anything else to say.
• 53:08
  Uh- Oh, okay … consciousartsmysteryschool.lauravantine.com
• 53:12
  if you wanna check it out.
• 53:14
  Great.
• 53:15
  Can you say that one more time?
• 53:16
  Because, um, I, it, you got really quiet.
• 53:18
  Is it for you too, Laura?
• 53:20
  Yeah, a little bit, yeah.
• 53:22
  Okay.
• 53:22
  Birdie must have done something.
• 53:23
  Con- Yeah.
• 53:24
  Con- sh- Birdie?
• 53:25
  Aw, poor Birdie- Yeah.
• 53:26
  You know, people- … he's over there playing with his food bowl.
• 53:28
  Yeah.
• 53:28
  We can- he- just go to my sub website, lauravantine.com, and under
• 53:32
  courses they're all right there.
• 53:34
  Okay, awesome.
• 53:36
  Thank you.
• 53:36
  Great.
• 53:37
  Well, this has just been really amazing insights.
• 53:41
  Thank you so much for coming on today, and thank you for all the work that
• 53:44
  you're both doing to help people to move through these huge challenges
• 53:49
  that they find themselves in.
• 53:51
  And thank you also for having us, and the opportunity.
• 53:55
  Thanks for having us.
• 53:57
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