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Speaker 1: You don't stab yourself thirteen times and then walk a
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Speaker 1: half mile and die next to a tree.
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Speaker 2: Under the docks. Yeah, under the docks.
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Speaker 3: Very favor with breaking the looks funny you could they
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Speaker 3: arise all the shots they connect the dogs.
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Speaker 2: Under the docks, under the ducks.
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Speaker 3: Yeap under the docks, under the docks.
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Speaker 1: A Noble Lie, Oklahoma said nineteen ninety five. This is
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Speaker 1: a documentary from twenty elevens by FreeMind Films, and it
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Speaker 1: was directed by James Lane. Why are we talking about
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Speaker 1: this particular movie, Well, we're talking about conspiracy documentaries for
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Speaker 1: the first few of these different episodes, and this one
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Speaker 1: I think is one of the most important ones for
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Speaker 1: anybody to see. It sheds light on answers long ignored
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Speaker 1: and censored by both prominent media outlets and the US government.
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Speaker 1: A Noble Eye peels back what we thought we knew
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Speaker 1: about the nineteen ninety five Oklahoma City bombing and its perpetrators.
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Speaker 1: That's sort of the official synopsis.
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Speaker 4: Of this movie for me.
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Speaker 1: This is going to be an overall summary of not
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Speaker 1: just Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City, but it's going to
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Speaker 1: talk about false flags. It's going to talk about something
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Speaker 1: called sheep dipping CIA and something called pat con patriot conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: It is a primer on some of the most mind
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Speaker 1: blowing claims by witnesses, victims, first responders, police, senators, just
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Speaker 1: everyone across the board, news anchors. In my mind, this
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Speaker 1: is sort of the nine to eleven precursor. This was
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Speaker 1: like the practice run for nine to eleven, So everything
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Speaker 1: that you might have come across, and the nine eleven
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and the ones that we'd already seen loose Change,
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Speaker 1: this is sort of the loose Change of Oklahoma City.
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Speaker 5: You took the words right out of my mouth.
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Speaker 6: That's exactly how I perceived it when I watched it,
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Speaker 6: and being the first time tuning into it, it hits
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Speaker 6: you consistently with the same aspect that loose Change does,
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Speaker 6: where it's eyewitnesses, first encounters, evidence, cover up evidence, news clips,
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Speaker 6: where you have the plethora of all the evidence and
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Speaker 6: even scientists and experts on these different events that happen,
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Speaker 6: questioning the official narrative.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's plot the course for a noble lie.
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Speaker 1: This one makes a whole bunch of different claims, and
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Speaker 1: it starts with a quote from Plato's Republic, and the
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Speaker 1: quote says, a noble lie, or at least it's talking
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Speaker 1: about players republic. A noble lie refers to the propping
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Speaker 1: up of a myth in order to maintain social harmony
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Speaker 1: and keep the elites in their present position. So that's
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Speaker 1: what the movie is defining, a noble lie, and that's
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Speaker 1: where it's getting.
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Speaker 4: Its namesake from.
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Speaker 1: The very first claim, the important one is that more
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Speaker 1: than Timothy McVeigh was involved in this and Nichols, right,
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Speaker 1: Terry Nichols, the guy that he meets in the military.
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Speaker 4: But it goes way beyond just.
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Speaker 1: Them being more than the other ones involved. It talks
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Speaker 1: about how this lone wolf theory was put forth by
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Speaker 1: government agencies to kind of put a nice little bow
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Speaker 1: on this and not let it meander and start having
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Speaker 1: people looking into all different avenues. So the lone wolf
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Speaker 1: theory is completely fabricated according to this movie, that there
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Speaker 1: were links between the FBI, the SBLC, Southern Poverty Law Center,
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Speaker 1: John Doe two, the ATF, the CIA, who else knows.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you could just throw a dart at a
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Speaker 1: board at this point and say that they were involved
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Speaker 1: in this.
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Speaker 4: But there's also some receipts.
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Speaker 1: They get into this place called Eloheim City, which is
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Speaker 1: way deep.
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Speaker 4: Down this rabbit hole.
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Speaker 1: I'm not even good to go on this tangent, but
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Speaker 1: it gets all the way into Elohem City, it gets
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Speaker 1: into a guy named Strasmeyer who is brought in from Germany,
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Speaker 1: which they sort of insinuate is a CIA operation and
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Speaker 1: put him inside of Eloheim City. That Eloheim City had
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Speaker 1: literal CIA spy satellites hovering over it to do all
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Speaker 1: sorts of surveillance on what was going on in this area.
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Speaker 1: And that once Timothy McVeigh went to this place, Eloheim City,
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Speaker 1: that essentially he becomes radicalized, probably by design, which is
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Speaker 1: what this movie sort of sets forth, is that he
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Speaker 1: was sent there by the CIA or by the government
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Speaker 1: in order to infiltrate this group at Eloheim City, and
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Speaker 1: that it all kind of springs from this. And then
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Speaker 1: again this thing called pat con or patriot conspiracy was
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Speaker 1: an initiative by the FBI and maybe a few other alphabets,
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Speaker 1: but that the FBI to infiltrate every neo Nazi patriot
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Speaker 1: group and militia in the entire country to get an
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Speaker 1: informant in every single one of these groups and then
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Speaker 1: slowly dismantle them from within. So this is the whole premise,
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Speaker 1: is that not only was it more than McVeigh and
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Speaker 1: more than John Doe two, but it was the CIA,
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Speaker 1: the ATF, FBI, the freaking Southern Poverty Law Center of
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Speaker 1: all places, that they're all in on it.
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Speaker 6: And they even have news footage of the time where
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Speaker 6: they're talking about there was two Middle Eastern men in
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Speaker 6: sweatsuits and that they were on a man hunt for them.
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Speaker 6: In the whole narrative switches to this lone wolf by himself,
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Speaker 6: and they kind of delve deeper into some of the
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Speaker 6: other claims that connect to this.
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Speaker 1: Another major claim is essentially that this was a false
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Speaker 1: flag operation inside job, and I guess that kind of
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Speaker 1: goes without saying if you're saying that the FBI and
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Speaker 1: the CIA, the ATF re all in on this. So
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Speaker 1: to explore that a little bit further, some of the
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Speaker 1: specific claims were that other bombs were found at the scene,
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Speaker 1: other unexploded ordinances, that the ATF and FBI bomb squads
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Speaker 1: were both seen prior to this happening. In one case,
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Speaker 1: they were across the street two hours before the attack,
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Speaker 1: that a phone call. A recorded phone call was made
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Speaker 1: to the FBI twenty four minutes before the Murrow Building fell,
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Speaker 1: saying that the Murrow Building had just been bombed. Twenty
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Speaker 1: four minutes before it actually happened. They get a call
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Speaker 1: stating that that the Governor, Frank Eating's brother, Mark Eating,
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Speaker 1: was writing a spy novel at the time which had
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Speaker 1: a main character that was going to bomb the Murrow
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Speaker 1: Building and his name was Thomas McVeigh instead of Timothy McVeigh.
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Speaker 1: Just a kinky dink, that there is surveillance tape footage
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Speaker 1: of the rider truck and people getting out which the
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Speaker 1: jurors were not allowed to see for security reasons. That
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Speaker 1: the truck bomb itself could not have made that same pattern,
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Speaker 1: that the bombs that were reported going off inside the
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Speaker 1: building before the truck and actual survivors that said that
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Speaker 1: they were in the building and heard the explosion under
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Speaker 1: them and felt the ground lift up under their feet
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Speaker 1: prior to this truck bomb going off. That a retired
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Speaker 1: Air Force general named Benton K. Parton, who was the
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Speaker 1: former director of the United States Air Force Armament's Laboratory.
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Speaker 1: His entire career was literally spent doing bomb blast analytics
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Speaker 1: for the military. He says that this could not have
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Speaker 1: happened from a truck exploding, that it needed to have
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Speaker 1: essentially ordinances placed on all of the different pillars. Again,
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Speaker 1: we've seen loose change before. This is the same story
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Speaker 1: all over again, that there had to be some sort
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Speaker 1: of bombs placed on all of the pillars in order
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Speaker 1: for this amount of damage to happen. That even Eggland
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Speaker 1: Air Force Base did tests and determined that the truck
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Speaker 1: bomb could not have cause of this, That each of
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Speaker 1: the barrels inside this rider truck would have acted as
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Speaker 1: individual bombs going off, almost working against each other, as
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Speaker 1: opposed to one big cohesive explosion. They have witnesses on
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Speaker 1: camera in this documentary talking about how they saw men
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Speaker 1: putting putty and wires on the columns to the building
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Speaker 1: in the parking garage before this had all happened, that
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Speaker 1: the ATF was keeping an illegal armory in the Murrow building,
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Speaker 1: that they were not support supposed to be keeping any explosive,
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Speaker 1: any firearms, any ammunition at all in this building was
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Speaker 1: supposed to be admin only.
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Speaker 4: Yet there is.
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Speaker 1: Video footage of ATF agents in the wreckage pulling away ordinances,
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Speaker 1: pulling away m sixteen's all sorts of things that were
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Speaker 1: not supposed to be in there. That the Murrow building
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Speaker 1: also coincidentally enough, happened to be where they were storing
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Speaker 1: all of the paperwork regarding Mina Arkansas scandals with the
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Speaker 1: Clintons and the Iran Contra documents which would have implicated
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Speaker 1: Bush and Reagan. So just another coincidence that all of
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Speaker 1: these legal documents get wiped out, sort of two birds
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Speaker 1: with one stone. There's footage of the ATF again pulling
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Speaker 1: out unexploded ordinances. That the ATF denied keeping anything in
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Speaker 1: the building despite all of this footage, and that basically
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Speaker 1: all this was suppressed by the media. So like this
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Speaker 1: has got all the hallmarks of a false flag operation.
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Speaker 1: It's basically again nine to eleven for beginners.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you could see that because when you do
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Speaker 6: see the footage of them pulling out the M sixteen's
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Speaker 6: out of the rubble and what looks to me, I
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Speaker 6: mean they make the claim in the film that it
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Speaker 6: is explosive, it does look like that, and that the
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Speaker 6: ATF agents also were notified by I believe it was
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Speaker 6: saying like a pager or some kind of note of hey,
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Speaker 6: don't be here that day, the same things that we
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Speaker 6: heard at nine to eleven, where certain people were like
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Speaker 6: tipped off of like, yeah, you might want to call
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Speaker 6: him sick.
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Speaker 5: Today won't be the day to be there.
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Speaker 6: And even as far as some of the inconsistencies of
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Speaker 6: the ATF story of they have an elevator maintenance guy
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Speaker 6: that claims that what the ATF agent that says he
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Speaker 6: went through all these floors and he miraculously got up
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Speaker 6: and was able to be a hero and save people.
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Speaker 6: The maintenance elevator guy reveals that that's impossible that he
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Speaker 6: couldn't have been on there because where he was at
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Speaker 6: and all of the first hand experience. And what it
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Speaker 6: does show too is that the local media actually did
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Speaker 6: a way better job, because I was remembering back when
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Speaker 6: I was first seeing that as like, you know, I
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Speaker 6: think I was like a young maybe ten eleven, I'm
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Speaker 6: not sure, exactly ninety five somewhere around there. I saw
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Speaker 6: the national media, and when you saw what the local
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Speaker 6: media was saying, it was a totally different story.
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Speaker 1: I remember this one too. I remember I was probably
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Speaker 1: in I want to say, like seventh or maybe eighth
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Speaker 1: grade when this happened, and this was one of those
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Speaker 1: moments where you stopped what you were doing and the
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Speaker 1: teacher put on the news and everyone just kind of watched.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't appreciate what was happening. I saw a
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Speaker 1: big building that was falling down, but that this was again,
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Speaker 1: this was like a nine to eleven prior to a
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Speaker 1: nine to eleven. So the next big key point is
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Speaker 1: specifically about this media cover up. This documentary makes a
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Speaker 1: few claims that twenty twenty did a segment by reporting
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Speaker 1: Roger Charles, and that the FEDS stopped twenty twenty from
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Speaker 1: airing their segment on a lot of these inconsistencies that
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Speaker 1: by the very next day after the bombing happened, the
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Speaker 1: news stations like you were just mentioning all these national
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Speaker 1: news stations. They went from talking about John Doe too,
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Speaker 1: to talking about these other unexploded ordinances, talking about multiple explosions,
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Speaker 1: to completely ignoring all of those facts after less than
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Speaker 1: twenty four hours, and going so far as to claiming
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Speaker 1: anyone else bringing those things up, which they had just
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Speaker 1: been talking about the day before, now that was all
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Speaker 1: conspiracy theory and conjecture and not official record. That there
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Speaker 1: was only one local station out of the entire country
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Speaker 1: that was K four TV, KFOORTV, and they continue to
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Speaker 1: talk about multiple accomplices to talk about all the prior warnings,
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Speaker 1: and wouldn't you know that the New York Times purchases
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Speaker 1: K for TV and then immediately fire the programming director.
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Speaker 1: They fire the lead journalist, a guy lady named Jana Davis,
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Speaker 1: and then all other reporting that contradicted the official narratives
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Speaker 1: vanished that point. That was the last bastion of anyone
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Speaker 1: talking about all these anomalies. And as soon as New
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Speaker 1: York Times bought them and fired everyone involved with that
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Speaker 1: story and that investigation, now all of a sudden, there
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Speaker 1: was just the official story. So an interesting take on this,
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Speaker 1: showing exactly how the media was able to suppress all
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Speaker 1: of this.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it kind of goes on theme of every
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Speaker 6: pretty much the theme in the last probably six seven
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Speaker 6: eight episodes we're doing is always the media covering up somehow,
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Speaker 6: And it does highlight heavily on this of how easily
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Speaker 6: it's done, because once the narrative is switched to now
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Speaker 6: it's a lone wolf McVeigh, everybody just keeps talking about
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Speaker 6: that until you forget about everything else.
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Speaker 1: The next big point is kind of two different ones.
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Speaker 1: It is about two different people that die throughout the
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Speaker 1: course of this. One of them is a first responder
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Speaker 1: police officer named Terence Yek and that that morning he
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Speaker 1: was issuing just a regular traffic ticket about four blocks
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Speaker 1: away from the explosion. As he's writing this ticket, the
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Speaker 1: explosion goes off, he stops writing the ticket, he goes
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Speaker 1: over to be on the scene, and he immediately saves
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Speaker 1: eight people from the wreckage. And again this is as
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Speaker 1: the local news was reporting bombs are still going off.
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Speaker 1: There's still unexploded ordinances. So he quite literally saved eight
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Speaker 1: different people from this scene, and then he turns up
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Speaker 1: brutally murdered soon after this, after claiming that he also
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Speaker 1: ran into all these weird inconsistencies and anomalies. Another person
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Speaker 1: that died throughout the course of this is a guy
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Speaker 1: named Kenneth Trinidou, who basically dies in prison because he
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Speaker 1: has the unfortunate coincidence of having the exact same tattoo
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Speaker 1: as another person, which is completely unrelated. A guy named
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Speaker 1: Richard Guthrie who was part of this elohem City click
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Speaker 1: that was part of maybe someone that Timothy McVeigh had
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Speaker 1: encountered and was, you know, planning on bombing this murrow,
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Speaker 1: building lots.
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Speaker 4: Of evidence to support that.
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Speaker 1: Well, Kenneth Trinido also has a dragon tattoo on his forearm,
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Speaker 1: on his left fore arm, in the same place that
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Speaker 1: Richard Guthrie does. And it gets this way through the
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Speaker 1: system like, hey, you guys in prison have someone that
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Speaker 1: might know about this, and essentially that the FBI tortures
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Speaker 1: this poor guy to death and oopsie a case of
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Speaker 1: mistaken identity. But this mishap ends up leading his brother,
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Speaker 1: who is an attorney, to just go full terrier and
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Speaker 1: not let go and investigate this all the way to
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Speaker 1: do its depths and we'll get into this on the
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Speaker 1: deep dive, but that's a pretty major claim that these
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Speaker 1: two very specific people were literally murdered to cover up
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Speaker 1: part of this false flag.
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Speaker 6: And it's kind of unique how like they actually run
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Speaker 6: into it, because how Jesse gets involved and that he
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Speaker 6: really has just a minute mistaken identity and now this
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Speaker 6: is his life work of where he's going to figure
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Speaker 6: out what really happened there.
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Speaker 5: I think that coincidence is significant.
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Speaker 1: The last major key point that this documentary tries to
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Speaker 1: claim was that McVeigh was sheep dipped that McVeigh was
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Speaker 1: not some random hillbilly hick that gets radicalized and ends
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Speaker 1: up becoming a militia right winger neo Nazi that just
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Speaker 1: wants to bomb a federal building. That actually he's in
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Speaker 1: the military. He gets drafted in the Special Forces, he
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Speaker 1: gets a special order that now as part of him
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Speaker 1: being in Special Forces, he's going to infiltrate these right
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Speaker 1: wing militia groups and that he's going to basically find
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Speaker 1: someone that's going to be a patsy, not realizing that
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Speaker 1: he himself is the patsy. He's going to be the
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Speaker 1: one that is shown to be the extremist that bombs this,
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Speaker 1: when in reality they kind of painted as if he
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Speaker 1: was going to get in here and find the people
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Speaker 1: trying to do this and then stopped him at the
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Speaker 1: last second or who knows that. That part kind of
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Speaker 1: remains unanswered. And some of the specific claims were that
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Speaker 1: in the military, he got all these different security clearances,
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Speaker 1: that he was selected out of his Special Forces training,
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Speaker 1: but then officially on paperwork, he drops out. He gets
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Speaker 1: washed out of this training, but they make the claim
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Speaker 1: that no, that was actually him graduating and because they
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Speaker 1: needed him to go undercover in the real world, they
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Speaker 1: had to make it look on paper as if he
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Speaker 1: had washed out of the military, and that has a
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Speaker 1: bone to pick with the federal government because of this washout,
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Speaker 1: hence being accepted in all these extremist groups, and that
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Speaker 1: he wrote all of this to his sister. There's actual
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Speaker 1: letters in his handwriting that were sent that says, hey,
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened. I got recruited, I'm doing these super
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Speaker 1: secret missions. Probably a security violation or to actually write
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Speaker 1: that out. I'm sure there's like an NBA somewhere that
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Speaker 1: says you're not allowed to do that. But that's the
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Speaker 1: other major claim this movie makes that not only was
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Speaker 1: he a patsy, but he was a patsy working for
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Speaker 1: the government.
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Speaker 6: And as you said, cheap dip is where you are
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Speaker 6: officially on the books off of it and some kind
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Speaker 6: of honorable discharge. I think in there they claimed something
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Speaker 6: with his feet that like he had a problem with it,
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Speaker 6: and they let him go. But he's officially he's officially out,
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Speaker 6: but unofficially still in a lot of cot covert operations.
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Speaker 6: And at the time, because you remember, you still had
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Speaker 6: a WACO so they were kind of going a lot
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Speaker 6: through these sovereign right wing militia types and even like
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Speaker 6: the white supremacist and all that, like different groups, and
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Speaker 6: he fit in perfect with that. And as you said,
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Speaker 6: he was unaware that he was the main patsy going
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Speaker 6: to be used for this. And I think even at
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Speaker 6: times they mentioned in the film that he was mad
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Speaker 6: that they had switched it up, because I think at
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Speaker 6: one point it was this Middle Eastern terrorist narrative and
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Speaker 6: they switched.
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Speaker 5: It into what he was doing.
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Speaker 6: And I don't think he was happy about the building
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Speaker 6: that they were going to blow up.
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Speaker 1: For me, the hidden treasures of this particular documentary, lots
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Speaker 1: of news interviews with the jurors on the Nichols case
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Speaker 1: talking about how dissatisfied they were and how the FBI
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Speaker 1: had fumbled this and how they weren't getting the full story.
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Speaker 1: This is not conspiracy theorists. These are jurors on the case.
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Speaker 1: Exactly the same from family members, Terrence Yeek's family members,
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Speaker 1: other people that were actually survivors of that scene, all
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Speaker 1: of them talking about we heard about extra bombs, we
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Speaker 1: heard the police telling us to get back.
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Speaker 4: All this is backed up.
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Speaker 1: This is not just people posting on the internet about it,
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Speaker 1: so that gives it an insane amount of credibility. They
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Speaker 1: also have eyewitness that talks about seeing the ATF bomb
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Speaker 1: squad at the building before any of this goes down,
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Speaker 1: and they make a note of why that was specials
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Speaker 1: because this in the Murrah building. They had ATF offices,
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Speaker 1: but they were admin offices that they never saw anyone
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Speaker 1: dressed up in even a jacket that said ATF on
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Speaker 1: If anything, they were all undercover or they were operating
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Speaker 1: as if they were just any other corporate They even
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Speaker 1: mentioned some of them show up they kind of look
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Speaker 1: like druggies or drug addicts. You know, they're all playing
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Speaker 1: a part, but that this morning in particular. Now you've
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Speaker 1: got guys actually dressed up with all their ATF gear,
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Speaker 1: which completely stood out. There's live footage of newscasters as
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Speaker 1: they're reporting the scene, and you can hear the police
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Speaker 1: in the background saying, get back, get back, we found
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Speaker 1: more bombs, We've got more devices, get back. So again
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Speaker 1: this is not conjection. You can hear them get getting
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Speaker 1: pushed away two blocks away from this bomb scene where
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Speaker 1: they're claiming some more devices are being found inside the building.
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Speaker 1: Not around the truck, which in the official story is
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Speaker 1: the only thing that blew up was just this truck bomb.
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Speaker 1: It was parked outside. And they also have all these
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Speaker 1: different clips showing them finding all these extra devices. And
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Speaker 1: then for me, you would have to know who this
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Speaker 1: person is. But they have an interview with a lady
21:22
Speaker 1: named Wendy Painting, And for me, this is a hidden
21:25
Speaker 1: treasure because Wendy Painting wrote a very comprehensive book on
21:30
Speaker 1: this topic called Aberrations in the Heartland of the Real
21:34
Speaker 1: which is all about the sheep dipping and the connections
21:37
Speaker 1: with McVeigh and Nicols, and is an insane amount of
21:41
Speaker 1: information that will absolutely blow your mind. The fact that
21:43
Speaker 1: they have her in this documentary being interviewed about it.
21:47
Speaker 1: I didn't even think that she was a real person.
21:49
Speaker 1: I thought there was a chance that she was just
21:51
Speaker 1: like a pseudonym made up by some kind of insider.
21:54
Speaker 1: So to actually put a face to a name and
21:58
Speaker 1: know that it's a real person allegedly was kind of
22:00
Speaker 1: a nice treat.
22:03
Speaker 6: And some of the hitting gents for me you mentioned earlier,
22:05
Speaker 6: like the novel twist, they just had a lot of
22:09
Speaker 6: things that I had never heard before. The twist with
22:12
Speaker 6: the novel of Thomas McVeagh, a lot of the brother
22:18
Speaker 6: be mistaken for wild Bill and him being one of
22:21
Speaker 6: the guys that blows off the top of a lot
22:23
Speaker 6: of these things because of a personal vendetta of finding
22:26
Speaker 6: that your brother has a misidentity. And then I also
22:29
Speaker 6: thought a lot of with the ATF and the sheriff
22:32
Speaker 6: bomb squad car being in front of I didn't hear
22:36
Speaker 6: that before until I watched this film. The bomb squad,
22:40
Speaker 6: even the Sheriff's bomb squad was there that morning of
22:43
Speaker 6: the bombing, and they claim, oh, no, he was just
22:46
Speaker 6: driving around running errands in a bomb squad car that like,
22:50
Speaker 6: it's not just like a regular police vehicle. It almost
22:53
Speaker 6: looks like a tow truck that's carrying a trailer. So
22:56
Speaker 6: I find it hard to believe that you would just
22:58
Speaker 6: be driving that around doing your regular errands, like I
23:01
Speaker 6: gotta go pay some bills.
23:03
Speaker 5: So I thought that was significant.
23:04
Speaker 6: And the eyewitness testimonies are great because they even have victims,
23:08
Speaker 6: you know, victims, family members there, They have people that
23:11
Speaker 6: they were there in the building, people that helped save people.
23:14
Speaker 6: They really go across the board of again like loose change.
23:19
Speaker 6: You come with the receipts of the people that were
23:21
Speaker 6: actually there that day, the first responders, the people inside
23:24
Speaker 6: of the building, the family, the survivors of the victims,
23:30
Speaker 6: and they all have their accounts and they all say
23:32
Speaker 6: the same thing that you heard at nine to eleven
23:34
Speaker 6: in loose change. Hey, we hear all these extra bombs,
23:38
Speaker 6: and I think you alluded to it earlier, and I
23:40
Speaker 6: think you're absolutely right. This was almost like the test
23:43
Speaker 6: run for nine to eleven and let's see how this goes.
23:48
Speaker 1: There's for me, there was no overboard moment for this.
23:52
Speaker 1: I couldn't find a flaw. I couldn't find a place
23:56
Speaker 1: where it dragged. Yes, I'm incredibly biased in this regard,
24:00
Speaker 1: but they didn't have the man on the street interviews,
24:03
Speaker 1: they didn't have any weird gotcha questions, they didn't pull
24:06
Speaker 1: up any substantial, unsubstantiated rumors aside from things that we see.
24:11
Speaker 1: Even the media is now, you know, claiming, here's what
24:14
Speaker 1: the eyewitnesses at the time. So I can't find any
24:18
Speaker 1: fault at all with this documentary. I understand that means
24:21
Speaker 1: I'm probably overlooking a lot of bias, but man, this
24:24
Speaker 1: one feels like a supreme example of documentary done right.
24:30
Speaker 5: I have to agree with you.
24:31
Speaker 6: Now I will go to a cop out and go
24:33
Speaker 6: back to almost the same thing I said about Loose Change,
24:36
Speaker 6: because I feel like these films are really like they
24:40
Speaker 6: mesh well together, right, They have a lot of the
24:42
Speaker 6: same feel, maybe not as much tightness as Loose Changed,
24:46
Speaker 6: but that, like we said, that was like the second
24:49
Speaker 6: addition anniversary like special package. But I think if you
24:53
Speaker 6: were a hardcore patriot, you know where you're like, hey, America,
24:57
Speaker 6: the government would never do that, like that's the only
24:59
Speaker 6: and I you don't know that that would still be
25:02
Speaker 6: today how people would think. But at that time, in
25:05
Speaker 6: twenty eleven, I could imagine people being still a little upset,
25:09
Speaker 6: you know, children died there, that kind of thing. But
25:11
Speaker 6: other than that, there's nothing really for me because it
25:15
Speaker 6: flows well. You get a good perspective of all that
25:19
Speaker 6: happened that day from eyewitnesses and people boots on the
25:22
Speaker 6: ground that witness would happen. So it's really hard for
25:25
Speaker 6: me and a first time watcher. So you would think,
25:28
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess I have bias because I don't
25:29
Speaker 6: like the government and the ATF and irs and whatever
25:33
Speaker 6: letters you attached to it. But he was very thorough
25:36
Speaker 6: in this film of here's the evidence, here's the news clips,
25:41
Speaker 6: this is what they're saying, not making crazy claims, but
25:45
Speaker 6: kind of proving the point.
25:47
Speaker 1: And there are some crazy claims to be made about
25:50
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City and McVeigh, And I almost wanted to cite
25:54
Speaker 1: maybe that as where it fell short is it didn't
25:56
Speaker 1: include some of those crazier claims. But that's almost to
26:00
Speaker 1: its own advantage, to its own credit, it doesn't get
26:03
Speaker 1: into talking about Jolly West and mk Ultra Research and
26:07
Speaker 1: the fact that Timothy McVey also worked at a aeronautic
26:12
Speaker 1: company that was the site of many different UFO sightings,
26:15
Speaker 1: Like you can go so deep that Timothy McVey himself
26:19
Speaker 1: went to Waco during the Waco Siege when David Koresh
26:22
Speaker 1: and the branch Davidians.
26:23
Speaker 4: Were all there.
26:24
Speaker 1: And there are so many rabbit holes here and this
26:27
Speaker 1: documentary does not go into nearly any of them. I'm
26:31
Speaker 1: actually surprised that it even brings up pat Con. But again,
26:33
Speaker 1: like this is all to its credit and not to
26:36
Speaker 1: its detriment. All right, let's do a deep dive on
26:47
Speaker 1: this one. It kind of feels important that the deep
26:50
Speaker 1: dive is gonna be about something I'm a little bit
26:53
Speaker 1: biased on. So I've actually talked to Tanya Yiky, who
26:58
Speaker 1: was the wife of Terrence Yeky. I've had her on
27:00
Speaker 1: a podcast before, I've talked to her directly. We also
27:03
Speaker 1: message the other sometimes back and forth about just silly
27:06
Speaker 1: conspiracy memes and stuff. But there's a very personal connection
27:10
Speaker 1: with this. So I'm really interested in this claim that
27:14
Speaker 1: Terrence Yiki, this first responder, this hero that saved eight
27:18
Speaker 1: different people, found some sort of information that he thought
27:22
Speaker 1: was explosive enough that he had to keep hidden, didn't
27:25
Speaker 1: tell his friends or family about it, and was putting
27:28
Speaker 1: all of this research he was finding into a storage unit,
27:32
Speaker 1: and that he was killed on his way to this
27:34
Speaker 1: storage unit in the most brutal way. So here are
27:37
Speaker 1: some of the details of the Terrence Yiki situation. Again,
27:42
Speaker 1: he was issuing a traffic ticket four blocks away. He
27:45
Speaker 1: was not involved in this in any direct way. He
27:47
Speaker 1: just happens to be right by the scene. Here's the explosion,
27:51
Speaker 1: runs there, saves eight people, and then soon after is
27:55
Speaker 1: brutally murdered. Not only is he brutally murdered, the crime
27:59
Speaker 1: scene is completely destroyed. It's turned the soil all around
28:03
Speaker 1: the area is turned up by spade shovels. That the
28:07
Speaker 1: last thing that he said to somebody was that he'll
28:11
Speaker 1: have to meet him up later because he's trying to
28:13
Speaker 1: lose these feds that were that were following him. That
28:17
Speaker 1: it was a torture homicide as per the autopsy made,
28:24
Speaker 1: that both jugular veins had been cut, he had handcuff
28:27
Speaker 1: marks around his wrists, that he had multiple cuts all
28:30
Speaker 1: over his body, and that there was a small caliber
28:33
Speaker 1: head wound that entered from the top of his head
28:36
Speaker 1: and exited through his other side of his jaw, with
28:39
Speaker 1: no powder burns on the head. That the sorry, this
28:44
Speaker 1: was a report on the body, that no autopsy was
28:47
Speaker 1: actually performed on the body. There was a toxicology report
28:51
Speaker 1: done that showed that he had no drugs or alcohol
28:54
Speaker 1: in his system. Despite the fact that police and friends
28:58
Speaker 1: were all told that he died he was high and
29:01
Speaker 1: he was drunk, and he had relapsed and was going
29:04
Speaker 1: through some sort of mental episode. The official cause of
29:08
Speaker 1: death was ruled as a homicide. Sorry, the let me
29:12
Speaker 1: say again, the official cause of death was ruled as
29:15
Speaker 1: a suicide. But this documentary has some people that make
29:19
Speaker 1: a good case that logistically this was impossible. One of
29:23
Speaker 1: the quotes was, you don't stab yourself thirteen times and
29:27
Speaker 1: then walk a half mile and die next to a tree.
29:31
Speaker 1: And not only that, but that the car that he
29:33
Speaker 1: was in was completely locked, the windows rolled up, and
29:37
Speaker 1: the keys left in the ignition. So somehow this guy
29:40
Speaker 1: goes from stabbing himself thirteen times, cutting both jugular veins
29:45
Speaker 1: on his neck, putting handcuffs around his wrists, and then
29:49
Speaker 1: getting out of his car and walking half a mile
29:52
Speaker 1: and then die next to a tree that this entire
29:55
Speaker 1: and that all of the different dirt around him had
29:58
Speaker 1: been turned.
29:59
Speaker 4: Up by these a shovels by who you know.
30:01
Speaker 1: So this was the most sort of suspicious circumstances around
30:06
Speaker 1: this Terrence Heki death.
30:09
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was terrible and if you think about it,
30:13
Speaker 6: it reminds me of the Gary Webb situation where you know, ay,
30:18
Speaker 6: how do you shoot yourself at the back of the
30:19
Speaker 6: head twice?
30:20
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? These questions.
30:22
Speaker 6: It's funny because the conspiracies that they're covering or trying
30:25
Speaker 6: to bring shed light onto its usually not as crazy
30:30
Speaker 6: as whatever supposedly happened. To them, right, like, hey, yeah,
30:33
Speaker 6: he locked his car and sliced boat juggulars and just
30:35
Speaker 6: was like, I'm out of here, Like that just doesn't
30:37
Speaker 6: make any sense to me.
30:40
Speaker 1: The other part of this equation, too, is Kenneth Trina Do.
30:43
Speaker 1: So the story of Kenneth Trina Do that he's in
30:46
Speaker 1: prison and that he has a record for robbing banks,
30:50
Speaker 1: and this also is one of the reasons that he
30:54
Speaker 1: gets confused with this Richard Guphrey guy, because Richard Guthrie
30:58
Speaker 1: had also been robbing banks and using that money to
31:01
Speaker 1: fund an actual right wing sort of militia extremist community,
31:06
Speaker 1: and that because of the tattoo and because of the
31:10
Speaker 1: bank robber background, this is the origin for this case
31:14
Speaker 1: of mistaken identity.
31:16
Speaker 4: Here's some of the details. They claim that.
31:21
Speaker 1: When they went in to check the cell, they spray luminol. Right,
31:23
Speaker 1: this is where like you detect bodily fluids, they spray
31:26
Speaker 1: luminol in a cell and the entire cell lights up,
31:29
Speaker 1: meaning that there is blood on the walls, floor, ceiling,
31:32
Speaker 1: everything in the cell. So it all likely happened in
31:35
Speaker 1: his prison cell that within one hour of his death,
31:40
Speaker 1: he had the equivalent of thirty bottles of Coca Cola
31:43
Speaker 1: in his system, and the reason for this is they
31:46
Speaker 1: explained that caffeine, high doses of caffeine is used in
31:51
Speaker 1: Third world countries to enhance to enhance pain while they're
31:55
Speaker 1: doing these torture techniques, these enhanced interrogation sessions. That there
32:00
Speaker 1: were beatings on the bottom of his feet, meaning they
32:03
Speaker 1: were torturing him by whipping his feet, and that his
32:06
Speaker 1: brother Jesse trying to do He essentially believes that this
32:10
Speaker 1: was the result of the FBI interrogating him. And the
32:13
Speaker 1: reason he believes this is because Jesse gets a message
32:16
Speaker 1: from Timothy McVeigh and Timothy McVeigh tells him, Hey, I
32:21
Speaker 1: think the FBI killed your brother because they thought he
32:24
Speaker 1: was Richard Guthrie, this guy aka wild Bill, who ran
32:28
Speaker 1: the Aryan Army, who was behind this thing called the
32:31
Speaker 1: Midwest Bank robberies, and that Richard Guthrie was by many reports,
32:37
Speaker 1: he was likely this John Doe number two character. It
32:41
Speaker 1: was all a case mistaken identity, and all Jesse knew
32:45
Speaker 1: was that his brother was not the perpetrator of this
32:49
Speaker 1: and that his brother was clearly tortured to death. It
32:52
Speaker 1: wasn't just a routine death inside of a prison. He
32:55
Speaker 1: wasn't looking into Oklahoma City. He wasn't even around Oklahoma City.
33:00
Speaker 1: This was completely unrelated from anything Oklahoma City. But every
33:04
Speaker 1: single time he kept looking into this, that's all it kept.
33:06
Speaker 4: Leading back to.
33:07
Speaker 1: So now Jesse Trena Do is sort of at the
33:10
Speaker 1: heart of even like the modern day look into Oklahoma
33:14
Speaker 1: City and Timothy McVeigh.
33:16
Speaker 6: And I think the John Doe two in my opinion,
33:19
Speaker 6: I mean, they don't really spell it out on that,
33:21
Speaker 6: but it kind of gives you a feel of it
33:23
Speaker 6: that he was really the person that was supposed to
33:25
Speaker 6: be the patsy, that they can go after these groups
33:28
Speaker 6: and for whatever reason, if they lost him or can't
33:31
Speaker 6: find him or he was killed, then they had to
33:35
Speaker 6: find Like it kind of blurred the lines. And because
33:38
Speaker 6: McVeigh reaching out to Jesse, that tells me that he
33:41
Speaker 6: had knowledge of who was supposed to be the fall guy.
33:44
Speaker 5: That's what it made me feel.
33:45
Speaker 1: Like the ripples and waves made by this particular documentary
33:56
Speaker 1: might be a little bit hard to pinpoint because I
34:00
Speaker 1: think it might be less about this documentary and Noble Eye,
34:04
Speaker 1: but more about revealing this whole pat con conspiracy. The
34:08
Speaker 1: fact allegedly that Oklahoma City was an inside job false flag,
34:14
Speaker 1: that Timothy McVeigh was maybe sheep dipped. Even if he wasn't,
34:19
Speaker 1: his background in the military is well worth looking into.
34:22
Speaker 1: This is such a deep and complicated story and incredibly
34:27
Speaker 1: relevant today because if you look this, if there were
34:31
Speaker 1: a patriot conspiracy, if there were this conspiracy by the
34:35
Speaker 1: FBI and allegedly atf and CIA and every other alphabet,
34:40
Speaker 1: that if they were using this premise in order to
34:44
Speaker 1: move forward more legislation and to beef up their numbers
34:47
Speaker 1: and to get more funding, you don't have to look
34:50
Speaker 1: very far versus like j six right, the January sixth
34:54
Speaker 1: event kind of has this same premise written all over it,
34:58
Speaker 1: where there's an opportunity to cause an incident and then
35:02
Speaker 1: blame a small faction of extremists on that incident and
35:06
Speaker 1: then use it to invoke all sorts of extra political
35:09
Speaker 1: change and more rallies and people go in the jail
35:12
Speaker 1: and using that as legal precedent. So, if anything, we
35:15
Speaker 1: are still watching this pat con in the works right
35:20
Speaker 1: like we are still living through it. And I think
35:22
Speaker 1: that this movie sheds a lot of light on that.
35:25
Speaker 1: And if you haven't seen it before. I absolutely think
35:28
Speaker 1: that you should watch.
35:28
Speaker 6: It, and it kind of gives you the feel of,
35:31
Speaker 6: like you know, the Patriot fronts where you see them marching.
35:33
Speaker 6: Now these guys and when people call them feds, these
35:37
Speaker 6: are the reasons why people call them feds in. One
35:40
Speaker 6: of the big influences too, is James Corbett did a movie,
35:44
Speaker 6: a little film called Secret Life of Timothy McVeagh. It's
35:46
Speaker 6: about like an hour footage and it really focuses on
35:50
Speaker 6: specifically the sheep dipping aspect of the MK ultra and
35:55
Speaker 6: they got most of the information from this film, which
35:57
Speaker 6: I actually saw the James Corbett film, and I didn't
36:01
Speaker 6: realize that this film inspired of that film, So I
36:04
Speaker 6: think it did have some influence again on key figures
36:07
Speaker 6: in this sphere and the narrative of it was an
36:13
Speaker 6: inside job and the proof to prove it that the
36:15
Speaker 6: government knew prior to this happening that this was going
36:18
Speaker 6: to happen.
36:20
Speaker 4: And I mentioned that this was one of my hidden treasures.
36:22
Speaker 1: That they had a interview with Wendy Painting and she
36:24
Speaker 1: wrote that book Operations in the Heartland of the Real
36:27
Speaker 1: So if you want to get even more in depth
36:30
Speaker 1: on all of this and all of the truly extraordinary
36:33
Speaker 1: claims that she backs up in her book. I highly
36:36
Speaker 1: recommend that one. There's another book called Bad Company, which
36:40
Speaker 1: is even more wild. It's a little bit less about
36:42
Speaker 1: McVeigh and a lot more about Richard Guthrie and the
36:45
Speaker 1: Arian Army and the bank.
36:46
Speaker 4: Robbers and dude, it is the most wild story.
36:50
Speaker 1: In fact, after I read both of those books, I
36:53
Speaker 1: started working on a graphic novel about this entire event
36:57
Speaker 1: about Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City. It's it's only in
37:01
Speaker 1: script form. I haven't gotten to the point just because
37:04
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of people in the comic book
37:06
Speaker 1: world that are like, yeah, we want to expose the
37:09
Speaker 1: false flag of Oklahoma City.
37:11
Speaker 4: It's like, just by me bringing that up, most of
37:13
Speaker 4: the time they.
37:14
Speaker 1: Look at me like, you know, I'm in a militia
37:16
Speaker 1: or I'm about to put on a hood or ask
37:18
Speaker 1: them to join some crazy, you know cult in like Arkansas.
37:22
Speaker 1: So but it's more relevant than ever, even in twenty
37:25
Speaker 1: twenty five. All right, Noble Eye, Oklahoma City nineteen ninety five,
37:33
Speaker 1: produced in twenty eleven, Stink or.
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37:43
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
37:43
Speaker 6: This is up there for the first time I seen it.
37:47
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to watch it again because it's going
37:48
Speaker 6: to be on my list of like Loose Change. It's
37:50
Speaker 6: one of the top documentaries I've ever seen in my opinion,
37:54
Speaker 6: one hundred percent.
37:55
Speaker 1: Surprise here. This one is a swim for me. Michael
37:58
Speaker 1: Phelps all the way. He's bringing home the you know,
38:02
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38:06
Speaker 1: If you haven't watched this documentary before, you have to go.
38:10
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38:13
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38:16
Speaker 1: it or not, you'll find the entire thing. There are
38:18
Speaker 1: zero excuses for you not to watch this, so highly recommended.
38:23
Speaker 1: You kind of have to at this point.
38:26
Speaker 5: Or just stop looking into conspiracies.
38:38
Speaker 1: I'll let you announce what's next up on the horizon
38:41
Speaker 1: because we got kind of a special tree.
38:42
Speaker 4: We're gonna do a little theme for the next month.
38:45
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38:47
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38:49
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38:54
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38:57
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39:01
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39:03
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39:05
Speaker 1: I'm excited, and we can't really do say that we
39:08
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39:12
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Speaker 1: So that's what's on the horizon. I hope you're ready
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39:22
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39:25
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Speaker 5: Well for uncle niggas for real.
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Speaker 2: You welcome. They ain't never had a deal.
42:27
Speaker 9: You welcome, man, they lacking a pill.
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Speaker 2: You're welcome. Yet they going. It's still You're welcome.