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Ep. 1121 - Adventure Racing All Over the World - Jari Kirkland Hiatt Revisited · Adventure Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_02]: it is so cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The sunset and sunrise is I think in the winter time are like probably a little better than the summer just because the peaks and where you are and if you can get up someplace and have the sunrise or sunset it is pretty special.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We never take it for granted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like every day that we get to do that it's special.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Episode number 1121, this is a revisited episode with Yari Hayed, and we're talking about eco challenges, we're talking about ski mountaineering, we're talking about backcountry ski racing, it's a fantastic episode from 2016.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're listening to the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talk with adventures from around the globe to bring you the inspiration and motivation you need to get started in the outdoors or to keep you moving if you're already there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now here's your host, Kurt Lindville.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is something so epic about the Gunnison Valley.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I interviewed Yari in 2016, which was about a year, a year and a half before my family moved to the Gunnison Valley.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was funny is that we kept interviewing amazing adventure athletes and they all seem to be coming from the same place from Gunnison Valley and I never expected that we would live here or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: at some crazy turn of events took place and suddenly my family is moving to the Gunnison Valley and I started bumping into people on the streets in the lifelines at the ski resort out on the mountain bike trails that I had interviewed for the Adventure Sports podcast and some of these people that I only met, you know, interviewing with a microphone or now my friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's super cool to revisit some of these.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I bumped into Yari and Crested Butte
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... years after we did this interview and it was just so fun to bump into and say hey there you are you're the real deal anyway i i hope you enjoy this episode from twenty sixteen it's a classic yari is an amazing individual and the things that she has accomplished in adventure sports are are just wild she's a great example of what an adventure focused lifestyle can lead to
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's an ultra-athlete, amazing person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hope you enjoy this show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today I have Yari Hyatt with us, and Yari is an adventure sports goddess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing, all the things that she has done and continues to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's been heavily involved in mountain biking, and then she became an avid triathlete.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she started doing adventure racing all over the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're here to talk to Yari about what it's like to do adventure racing, to be on the
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[SPEAKER_01]: and also what it's like to build an adventure-based lifestyle, so Yari, welcome to the program.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for having me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's great to be here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yari, I just really enjoyed our pre-interview visit just now because I learned so much about what you've got going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Holy cow, you have so many irons in the fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Feel our guests in on what your life is like these days.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I am, well, I just got back
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I did, I actually won, but we competed in the Patagonia Expedition Race, which is notably probably the most epic adventure race in the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But we can before that, I did two different ski mountaineering races in New Mexico, a couple other ski mountaineering races this winter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Last year, I actually went off course a little bit and I qualified and competed at Kona Iron Man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: mostly because it was just on my bucket list of something to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, last year I was in Paraguay, Adventure Racing, Mountain Bike Race to all over the US, more ski mountain nearing races, just keeps going like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Good cycle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got an awful lot going on with all of this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So right now you live in Crested Butte, Colorado, and why Crested Butte.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little bit of a fluke.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I went to a
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a private university in the south when I graduated, I did not want to stay in the south so I promptly started driving west and I actually ended up in Breckenridge and I was there for a few years and then at a 24 hour mountain bike race, I basically lipped off to the wrong few guys and ended up doing an adventure race with them three weeks later.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They all from Crest of Beauty and Gunnison, and so I found myself moving to Crest of Beauty to be on this adventure racing team and be able to train together and all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Crest of Beauty is lovely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What an amazing place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is, it is actually one of my very favorite places in Colorado, and I think people all feel that way about where they live and stuff, but it is truly beautiful, beautiful, winter summer, it's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, you're around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's great things to do there in the, your ski mountain nearing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you couldn't be in a better place than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Plus, you have the ski area at Crest Abute, which is epic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll just say epic, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this deepest lift axis terrain in the country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really like skiing there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the summertime, mountain biking, galore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, and which, of course, is this, I mean, trail running mountain biking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we actually have really good white water.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Flat water's not very far away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So all the training that I need to do,
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[SPEAKER_02]: is pretty at hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yari, I met you through Dave Wings, and a few weeks back, we interviewed him about Western State Colorado University's Mountain Sports Program, and but how do you know Dave?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he actually lives next door to what are my old teammates, Brian Wickenhouser, and so I met Dave maybe 12 years ago, and I actually knew his wife a little bit better because we used to go out and like do women's, Tuesday night women's mountain bike rides,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have known her a while through that, but then of course we suckered Dave into doing some stupid things with us and adventure racing different places.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I've got the chance to hang out with him a fair bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll have to get Dave a little bit of a hard time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to hear some of those stories of stuff you got Dave to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's amazing stories amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, will you tell us the story of how you got started and all this stuff?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you were two years old, you probably didn't say, I'm going to go to Patagonia and do an adventure race.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was a swimmer in high school and I played soccer and there came a point where it was like, I had to kind of choose which one I maybe wanted to go to college for and see if I could get on scholarship and I chose swimming and I did get on scholarship and so I went to the
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[SPEAKER_02]: Division two and I swam, but it was a pretty small school and I definitely don't lack energy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So two of the years, my junior or my sophomore junior year, I also ran across country just for the fun of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so then I graduated, promptly moved to Colorado and thought to myself, well if I can run and swim, certainly I can bike and put it together in a triathlon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did a draft lawn and loved it, and then it just escalated into craziness?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really, one little baby step at a time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, let's give the listeners who may not be familiar with adventure racing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think most people are, but let's give them a little bit of the details.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of distances are we talking about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How long are these races?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How are they done?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so really an adventure race is just the premise of that about 90% of the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: involves three different sports that usually is paddling, running, or trekking, and mountain biking, and you usually do it with a map in a compass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to find your way with a map in a compass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's nothing marked, no set course, and there are races in the U.S.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that are six hours long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So short, sweet, you know, that's not very long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To this race in Patagonia, I mean, we
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were on the clock for a little bit less than six days, and it was 400 and 700 kilometers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So somewhere in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the world championships are usually about 600 miles, about 1,000 kilometers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's usually about the same six days.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we were pale, we ascend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They I've inline skated before in an adventure race, white water, flat water paddling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: there's random horseback riding is we had horses in one of them camels in one yeah random things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you've traveled all over the world doing this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to just get your perspective on world travel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is something to be said about leaving the country and trying to race at your highest performance level with things that are very foreign to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, I wanted to try and erase the food, kick my booty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It rocked my world a little bit and not in a good way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a total shock couldn't find anything except for like plain white rice that I could really eat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that set well with me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the next time I went, I took all my own food.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, okay, enough of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you just kind of have to know where you're going and what you're going to be able to eat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It affects how well you race if you don't feel well,
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[SPEAKER_02]: China is very, it's like crazy polluted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we'd get done and be like, I think I've just smoked a pack of cigarettes basically like that, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's like once again, it's like dealing with all the little things that in my Crescibut world, I don't have to deal with, you know, being like in New Zealand where you're like 12, 18 hours off your time, your time clock inside.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so you just have to like, yeah, just do what you can with what you have, you know, like try to,
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[SPEAKER_02]: acclimated's best you can and yeah there's a lot actually that goes into racing around the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to be able to like put your bike in a box and put it back together again and be able to fix anything that got broke on the plane.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well here's a thing that's so cool about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our listeners love adventure sports as do I as do we right and and a bit your sports are awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our listeners love adventure travel and we have a lot of people that just do adventure travel
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when we get to interview someone like you who does multiple adventure sports and has found a way to incorporate that into adventure travel it's kind of fun because you get you get such a variety of sports and you kind of get it all in one package You do and I have to say that like I mean I could go someplace and just grab my bike for six days or what have you or track or whatever but I I definitely think that adds a whole other component to be like
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, now we're going to paddle for 10 hours and being able to paddle for 10 hours and then trek for 36 and ride your bike for 24 and add it on top of each other and there is definitely some different aspect of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it's good because sometimes you're like, oh, I'm just wanting to get off my bike and then you get started trek and you're off your bike.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas if you just bike for, you know, weeks, then you're just biking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe good and bad about both or
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[SPEAKER_02]: because I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is now of course it's like ingrained in my fibers, but I'm actually not maybe the most competitive person on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am, I mean, I compete with myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really have found that being in a race situation, it pushes me further than just going out to train or if I wanted to do an adventure, I would probably sleep more than like two hours a night like we
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[SPEAKER_02]: definitely more of an internal push myself thing than an external I need to compete maybe it's just in that format and it definitely works for me I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you push your body that hard you know you're racing for days and days and days and you just said two hours a night not much sleep extreme distances that's got to take you to a place that most people don't go to can you tell us a story about that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, I don't actually, I don't, I don't do drugs and maybe I don't ever need to now that I've been traced because I've definitely had a couple of really good hallucinations based on sleep deprivation and I think that maybe just people like you've tracked and that you've been really cold for like days on end.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would imagine that even if you've had sleep that you can relate to that or bite or something because you definitely, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you definitely get to a point four days in where you've made me slept for like six hours or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you look at something like a bush and you're like, why is it carved in the shape of a penguin that's so weird?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or it's at night and you're like tracking through the woods and you're like getting tired.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've definitely said to the guys I've been with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey guys, there's a house that's let's sleep on the porch because we can and they're like, y'all are either, there's no house and I'm like, they're fit, they're like no sweetie, there's no house.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll after like, you know, not arguing with them, but being like, really, I think there's a house like having to accept that I was just like dreaming it up because I wanted it to be there, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that the separation between a wake and a sleep kind of gets crossed, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That line gets pretty fuzzy when you're that tired.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, and I would say more than half the time of interest, I'm the main navigator.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it really like puts a strain on you to be awake and aware of the map and where you're going at all times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And because you don't want to make a mistake and end up 10 miles off course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that situation is like, maybe sometimes it's better because you're so focused that you have something to think about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe sometimes when you're just like, oh, we stay on the same trail for the next 20 miles, you can kind of check out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you check out, I think sometimes that's
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[SPEAKER_02]: active imagination takes over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're waking dreams start to have a role.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So tell us a story of an adventure race, maybe not the whole race, not a summary, but just a segment in time when something really unique happened that you think represents what special about adventure racing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I honestly believe adventure racing truly like anything can happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we, I was just in Patagonia, so it's first my mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we started this section, we paddled across this fjord, and it was not very long, it was six k. And so we get to the other side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We get to dump all of our paddling gear, so we don't have to track with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But we put on, you know, like, you take off your dry suit and you end up with your Gore-Tex, you know, have my outer research Gore-Tex closed on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, um, we start tracking because it's raining because it's Patagonia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the first thing we do is literally go bush waxed right up this mountain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's maybe like 3,500 vertical feet, maybe a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And by the time we get to the top, it's snowing and there's three new inches of snow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're just in our tennis shoes and our like bike gloves basically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And everything is getting soaking wet and your feet are starting to freeze because they're
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we like get up and over this past like quick as we can like you're not dilly dallying because you just are getting colder and then literally we drop off the backside and the sun comes out just enough and it's just like this beautiful there's no snow on the ground it's probably now up to 55 degrees.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We like have taken off our vortex jackets or huge glaciers, crazy lakes and then we drop down at this valley and we end up trekking in a bog.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, so your feet every step, it's like four or five inches of water and like muchy ground for maybe the next like six hours.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, like in the span of like eight, nine hours, I was like straight vertical uphill, snow, sunshine, crazy distance, glaciers and bogginess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That might summarize like an adventure race.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you kind of have to be ready for anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it sounds like quite an experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Yari, I know we have listeners out there who hear this story and just say, you know what, that sounds like it might be out or reach for me, but maybe not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I should try to do something and see what I could do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would you recommend for someone that's interested in testing the waters of endurance sports like this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would say it's definitely viable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's feasible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is amazing goal to have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: showing up to an adventurous, it's maybe half physical, and the other half is mental.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we see it a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, people are just not prepared for the fact that like, you might run out of food and end up trekking for six hours with no food, and that's not awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You get tired or, you know, mentally you just have to tell yourself before the race even starts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, no matter what happens, I will not quit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care how bad situation gets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I will not quit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the next thing would be just to talk to someone,
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[SPEAKER_02]: in depth more, who's done in advance or actually finished in the event race and pick their brain a little bit of maybe what exactly more to expect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But honestly, I think most people could probably finish an adventure race.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it might take some time to like train yourself to go win an event race.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But for sure, finishing one is is completely feasible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're not a Aussie person and you, you know, know what it's like to track and buy a compaddle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we heard from a fellow the other day who was talking about extreme ultramarathoning and he's done 3,000 mile runs, which is just crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he said that the way it started for him was he had a reason to try to get more exercise and so he would go out his front door and run until he started feeling kind of tired and turned around and come back home again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what first maybe that was a half mile, who knows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then little by little, the distance is just kept getting bigger and it was just something he enjoyed to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he started jumping on a bus and he would take the bus, some distance and jump off and run back home again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And over time, he became an ultra-distance runner that just really enjoys what he does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you know what, if we start small enough and we're careful, I bet you just about anybody could get into these things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely, I mean, for sure that's how it happened with me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, my first run when I moved to Breckneridge, granted I came from sea level to like 10,000 feet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I ran two miles and laid on the ground and thought I was having a heart attack because there was no air.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, well, maybe tomorrow, I'll do the same like 20 minutes, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it was not very long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I definitely built up and at some point though, I think I advocate sounding up for race that you might not be prepared for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or doing something, doing adventure race,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So say like your longest run ever was 10 miles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then to go out with a friend or sign up for a marathon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because at some point, you've trained enough, and it's just the mental ability to say, okay, I'm just gonna finish.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even if I have to walk or whatever, like, it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because the longest race I had ever done before, I race my bike for 24 hours was maybe like three or four hours.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I had ridden my bike for eight hours, but I'd never ridden my bike at night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd never stayed up all night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had never done any of these things,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to do my best, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so for sure, like I don't think you should do a 24 hour mountain bike race off the couch, but I definitely think you can train a little bit, train a little bit, sign up for your 10k, sign up for a half marathon, but then just jump to the marathon, or it doesn't have to be always these little baby steps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There can be bigger leaps and bounds, you know, don't hurt yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't pull like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't hurt your Achilles like on my own three and then run a marathon because that's not going to be beneficial either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, I wanted to ask you about that because it's always been my, my experience is I probably try to do too much without enough preparation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I get injuries, you know, it's, it's a hip or it's a knee or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think, wow, how do you keep going or maybe you don't?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's your recommendation for injuries?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not on some wood quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't really had very many injuries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My injuries have only come like, I had a really bad road cycling accident one and tore my AC up, my AC joint.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I have, I just been 400 miles in that I like worked out like five days later.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know, I have been blessed with a pretty injury-free, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't, I don't know that aspect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like maybe someone who is in a professional that it has had more injuries like that can help.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause I mean, I don't know, lift weights,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the one thing that I've learned, and this is no advice, really, but what I've learned is if I keep on going when I am injured, I just end up hurting myself a lot worse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, for sure, 100% a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of professional athletes can't say no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they during a race hurt themselves, and then they end up literally like, oh, they tweak their ankle, but they still ran the last 25 miles with their 50 mileer, and they like destroy it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the doctors were like, we can't really fix it and then they're done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So no, I don't think you should.
21:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a time in place to be like,
21:43
[SPEAKER_02]: it's no longer it's going to hurt me beyond repair if I keep going.
21:48
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, if you have a blister, that's probably not the case.
21:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
21:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you've got something in a joint, this just going wrong.
21:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's time to take a break.
21:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And like if you're like, you know, if you can tell like a tendon is rubbing and it's like getting inflamed, yeah, time to not.
22:03
[SPEAKER_02]: like exploded and like caused permanent damage for sure.
22:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So if people wanted to learn more about the adventure race that you've done, I'm going to give them the the website here, uh, PatagonianExpeditionRace.com.
22:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And you just competed on the God Zone team.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And you took first place.
22:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Congratulations.
22:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
22:24
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
22:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great website and you can learn an awful lot about adventure racing and about specifically this Patagonian expedition race.
22:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I actually think there's a lot of information that if you go to Facebook, if you type in like the Patagonian Expedition Race, I think on Facebook, Seth comes up also.
22:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they update that just as much to be honest.
22:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool.
22:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where people can find more information.
22:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to ask you about your scheme out nearing.
22:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're on the US scheme out nearing team as well.
22:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is scheme out nearing?
23:02
[SPEAKER_02]: with wicked light gear and a wicked fast pace.
23:06
[SPEAKER_02]: So in a race, well, this weekend, we're going to blacken our edge.
23:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just a longer race.
23:11
[SPEAKER_02]: This is like the beginning races that the season are usually like two hours, two and a half hours.
23:16
[SPEAKER_02]: And this one will probably be like four.
23:17
[SPEAKER_02]: But we will start and we actually peak out at five different peaks in blacken our edge.
23:22
[SPEAKER_02]: We start at the base area, go up to some of the peaks, ski off of it.
23:27
[SPEAKER_02]: So you have skins that are like,
23:29
[SPEAKER_02]: and vision like shark skin, like it's smooth one way and really rough the other.
23:33
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little fuzzier than that, but we put them on the bottom of your skin, skis, your heel is free, but you like walk up or whatever to the top.
23:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And you pull the skins off and then you lock your heel in like your alpine skiing and you ski down and they have it flagged.
23:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you have, it's not between gates, they just have flags to mark the course and you have to stay within like 20 feet of the flags.
23:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So then you ski down double diamonds to like groomers that depends on where the course is.
24:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you do it again, you get to the bottom of some place.
24:04
[SPEAKER_02]: You put your skins back on, you skin back up to the top of something, and then you take your skins off and ski down.
24:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, like some races, you only do it three skin changes and this race, I think it's like five.
24:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So what kind of distances are we talking about?
24:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, some races are like, it's like five thousand vertical feet
24:25
[SPEAKER_02]: maybe 10 miles.
24:26
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, kind of steep, but not crazy steep.
24:30
[SPEAKER_02]: But then, like the Elk Mountain Grand Traverse is the ski mountain area race that goes from crest to view to Aspen.
24:36
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of epic because you start at night because of avalanche danger because you're in the backcountry.
24:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's only like what would be say, 7,000 vertical feet and 42 miles or 9,000.
24:47
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not very many vertical feet for how long it is.
24:50
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it's a really flat.
24:52
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you end up like,
24:54
[SPEAKER_02]: lighting more than just like going straight up mountains um i'm trying to think yeah a race it's like two hours long you usually end up doing like four thousand vertical feet or something and eight miles or ten miles.
25:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're on the US ski mountaineering team and how many teams are there that compete against each other and where does this team take you?
25:14
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to qualify to be on the US team so you have like a couple of races that are the
25:20
[SPEAKER_02]: and then competing at nationals and then they like take the top eight women in the top like 12 or something men and then you compete at the world championships and that's always been in Europe because they have I mean it's huge in Europe they'll get like 700 people showing up for a race where we get like 250 you know or a hundred um and so we compete against all the European teams um I'm trying to think there was a couple of Australians we have some Japanese like the Japanese compete they've got good snow they do some stuff
25:48
[SPEAKER_02]: That kind of thing.
25:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like going to be an expeditions for it in the next winter Olympics or something maybe.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty cool.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So describe the skis that you use.
25:58
[SPEAKER_02]: So you know when you look at a normal alpine ski these days, it has shape.
26:02
[SPEAKER_02]: The tip is like wider at the top and it's like narrow under the foot and then the tail gets wider again and it's back in the day, people use the ski on skis that are like 200
26:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And now a typical ski for like me, if I'm going to like ski on the resort or backcountry is you know, like head height or something, maybe even shorter than that.
26:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I level and that would be like a 170 for me, maybe.
26:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And these skis, I ski on, I race on our 157th.
26:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're considerable amount shorter.
26:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And they are literally in the made of carbon and they weigh nothing.
26:38
[SPEAKER_02]: They weigh the same amount basically as a Nordic ski.
26:41
[SPEAKER_02]: But they look exactly like an almost ski.
26:44
[SPEAKER_02]: They have like with at the top, narrow under the foot.
26:47
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just not as big and beefy as a normal downhill ski.
26:51
[SPEAKER_02]: So it makes them a little bit less stable.
26:53
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't race through the crud as good as a normal ski.
26:58
[SPEAKER_02]: But your boot, once again, if you saw me in Liffline, if I had my ski not nearing stuff on, you wouldn't think anything of it.
27:04
[SPEAKER_02]: They're bright green.
27:05
[SPEAKER_02]: You might be like other kind of ugly.
27:06
[SPEAKER_02]: But they,
27:08
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't look that much different, but if you picked it up, you would be blown away by how light they are and how make that makes it much easier to go up hill.
27:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
27:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
27:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're free hill on the way up.
27:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you can lock your boot in for the down hill.
27:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
27:23
[SPEAKER_02]: And it literally becomes exactly like an alpine boot.
27:26
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I mean, it's full of carbon.
27:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, it's super stiff.
27:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And um, you just like ice ski my alpine boots.
27:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not maybe not quite as aggressive.
27:35
[SPEAKER_02]: because they're, um, yeah, they're the skis, I mean, they're still not like, it's, I can't ski like Lindsey Vaughan.
27:41
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but I, I could still do the same course.
27:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wouldn't be as fast of course.
27:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So how much does it cost to get into gear like that?
27:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, like the super nice gear.
27:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're talking like $700 for bindings, probably like $1,500 for a pair of boots and skis that are probably like $6,700.
27:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, and all know, if you think about, if that's like the highest end,
28:04
[SPEAKER_02]: That's nothing really compared to like a sweet $8,000 mountain bike.
28:08
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, of course, live in a mountain town.
28:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I ski six months of the year.
28:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's a great investment for me.
28:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll do this for the rest of my life, because I can, because it's super, you know, easy, but you can step it down and have like gear that's a little bit heavier.
28:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even that much and probably take off half that cost.
28:26
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, get boots that are like $800, maybe even like $7, bindings that are like $400 and like get someone's use keys or like keys are not good for like $400.
28:36
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, depends on if you think that's viable, like you're going to go and do it.
28:41
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, wonderful, extra, sorry.
28:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like,
28:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And now there's only like one resort in Colorado that doesn't let you skin up hill.
28:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone else has an uphill ski policy.
28:49
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can go and like skin up hill and it's a very safe environment.
28:53
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's no avalanche danger.
28:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing that you need to like be worried of.
28:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And get this amazing workout in and all the days work, then go ski lifts or go ski backcountry, you know, one way or the other.
29:07
[SPEAKER_02]: It's if you ski on a resort, it's super safe.
29:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of runners now in cyclists
29:12
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a really good crossover winter training.
29:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of just downhill skiing, you now have this ability to get your heart rate up and keep it flowing all year.
29:22
[SPEAKER_01]: My sound's really, really cool.
29:24
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that I love about it, I love mountaineering, I like winter mountaineering, but I also like just covering distance in the back country and seeing the different views and the scenery, it's so cool.
29:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it is so cool, it's so beautiful.
29:39
[SPEAKER_02]: They're my, like,
29:40
[SPEAKER_02]: the sunset and sunrise is I think in the winter time or like probably little better than the summer just because the peaks and where you are and if you can get up someplace and have the sunrise or sunset it is pretty special we we never take it for granted like every day if we I mean every day that we get to do that it's special
29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'd like to ask you specifically for advice.
30:02
[SPEAKER_01]: If one of our listeners wants to incorporate more adventure into his or her life and they want to perhaps even make a career out of adventure sports, what would you recommend?
30:14
[SPEAKER_01]: How can they pull that off?
30:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good question.
30:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I would say the first thing would be to go
30:21
[SPEAKER_02]: find a place that you can do an orientarian race or take an orientarian class and learn how to use a map in a compass and like learn how to use it really well.
30:29
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you already know how to do that, I would say go do a couple of orientarian races.
30:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And then otherwise, if you're really like, oh, I can do all these things.
30:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to be on a team or go do an adventure race.
30:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually races now that you don't have to have four people to compete in.
30:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're the smaller races like six to 12 hours.
30:49
[SPEAKER_02]: or get on one of those websites like Google Adventurer Racing or and there's always boards like or T make out her we're looking for another guy or girl that could come race with us and just go give it a shot and see if you even like it and I'm like 90% of the time people love it and they're like oh I can't wait to train and do more but there's a whole adventure racing community out there you just have to seek it out and thankfully we have Google.
31:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so let me take me to the end of the race.
31:18
[SPEAKER_01]: You've been racing for days.
31:20
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you've been through all sorts of experiences and hardships and challenges.
31:24
[SPEAKER_01]: What does it feel like to cross a finish line?
31:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll just preface by the three miles proceeding finish line because at that point we know we're going to win and I'm with these three guys that I've been with now for the last like, you know, well, I've been with them for like 10 plus days because we have days leading into the race.
31:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And we just start talking about like all the crazy, wonderful and credible amazing moments we've had, you know, like we get to reminisce as we're just like jogging, trekking into the finish line and and so you have this really amazing like bond with these guys and and just to because you remembered different things like oh, yeah.
32:04
[SPEAKER_02]: that didn't happen.
32:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, right.
32:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember he threw up or, you know, like, we saw those skunks, like the British guys, they were like, skunks.
32:14
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, get away.
32:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's so funny because we have different perspectives.
32:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have skunks.
32:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how silly they are.
32:22
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, there's we get to reminisce.
32:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And so going into the finish line, you kind of, because it's maybe
32:31
[SPEAKER_02]: You really get to savor the moment and enjoy it, maybe more.
32:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So then just like when you run a marathon, you like cross-up in your slime, you're done.
32:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you really get to remember the good and the bad that just happened.
32:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And then of course when you cross-up in your slime, there's just like press everywhere and then playing crazy music and the hand you bottle champagne and you drink it and you're pretty much drunk in like six seconds.
32:55
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like amazing because you know, you have no food in like three hours or whatever.
33:00
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a different, you really do feel accomplished.
33:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Like maybe that you could conquer the world.
33:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you actually finished something that was incredibly hard and you stuck it out through all the pain and all the joy to get to the most joyous point.
33:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, so you have the big celebration and then things start to wind down.
33:20
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the next 24 hours like,
33:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, how many calories can I eat?
33:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not joking.
33:28
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not really funny.
33:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Though seriously, this race we got done in the Japanese team and the South African team, they were like right there.
33:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we, they had this tiny little restaurant, we went inside.
33:41
[SPEAKER_02]: We basically, everyone stripped off their shoes and socks because they're just completely soaking wet.
33:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you're at a table in your stinky spandex,
33:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're just bringing in like the most amazing beef and potatoes and salad.
33:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're just like, I mean, I ate, we ate so much food.
34:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then it takes like an hour, you know.
34:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're like, ooh, food coma, I'm tired.
34:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been racing for a long time.
34:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then we actually got busted a couple of hours to this village and another town.
34:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And we slept for the night, wake up in the morning, eats.
34:16
[SPEAKER_02]: And then mess with some gear.
34:19
[SPEAKER_02]: eat and then it must have some more gear and eat some more.
34:22
[SPEAKER_02]: It is your body for like the next actually two days.
34:25
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like replenishes everything that you just took out of it.
34:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a really essential to eat good food and to have good food.
34:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, lots of messing with gear.
34:35
[SPEAKER_02]: We call it faffing, which drives me crazy actually.
34:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I like get on the guys all the time.
34:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It's tough faffing.
34:41
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like when you have like something that you have to clean, but they have to like re-clean it or like your bike.
34:48
[SPEAKER_02]: washing it and all the things that get dirty and disgusting and do a load of laundry and wash your dry suit dry it out, you know, like all the things that got disgusting that you just threw into a bag that you didn't care about, you now have to care about.
35:02
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that helps me to kind of get a feel for the context of the sport, you know?
35:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it makes it, that's just, I got just thinking about it.
35:09
[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't make it sound that great, but I mean, like we all know now that like the adventure race really doesn't stop on the race ends, like you still have to like deal
35:17
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a different pace and it's okay because you can sleep when you want and like you don't have to you can't get lost in laundry.
35:25
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you mentioned how important it is to have the food after the race, but how do you keep your energy level up during an extended race like this?
35:33
[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of food are you eating?
35:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we any kind of food that's highly, we for the race, we make these bags, like we take
35:44
[SPEAKER_02]: So I put in enough food and we say about 250 calories every hour.
35:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I like certain foods you can eat if you're on a bike.
35:51
[SPEAKER_02]: So stay like, I think, what can't you don't need like potato chips necessarily on a bike.
35:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It's harder to eat, you know, like a bag of potato chips.
36:00
[SPEAKER_02]: But you can eat bars, you can eat like squeezeable apple juices or like goose and gels and stuff like that.
36:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So food that you eat on a bike is not necessarily the same as you eat on a trek.
36:12
[SPEAKER_02]: But we basically count 250 calories every hour.
36:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, planted ahead.
36:16
[SPEAKER_02]: But I am a salty girl.
36:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I can't each sugar as much as a lot of other people maybe.
36:23
[SPEAKER_02]: So I eat a lot of potato chips.
36:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I eat a lot of just potatoes with salt on them.
36:29
[SPEAKER_02]: This race, of course, because the weather was, I mean, the high was like 60 in the whole race.
36:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And the low was like 30.
36:36
[SPEAKER_02]: We actually take to freeze dried food and like take your little stove.
36:41
[SPEAKER_02]: and make food while we're tracking.
36:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we're on a track for like two days.
36:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And you just can't live on potato chips for two days.
36:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you still need something of substance.
36:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when you get like 800 calories all at one time.
36:52
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, you know, you actually will carry that way with you because it's important.
36:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I like applesauce.
36:59
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I like fruits.
37:02
[SPEAKER_02]: We make the things called cereal bombs, which is just like whatever kind of cereal usually like granola, add like your, you know,
37:10
[SPEAKER_02]: So then on the road on the track, all you could do is add filtered water and you can like have your cereal.
37:16
[SPEAKER_02]: And it makes you feel pretty normal because that's like a normal everyday thing.
37:19
[SPEAKER_02]: We ate a lot of pate because it's cold enough, but you can't eat pate in a real adventure race because or like a hot one because they just put your bag out in the middle of nowhere.
37:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And it just gets hot and like you like that goes bad.
37:31
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'm trying to think anything that sounds good.
37:35
[SPEAKER_02]: If you go to the grocery store and you're like, oh, a little Debbie Snackcake.
37:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this one's 200 calories, and this one's 400, but I always picked the 400.
37:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And I give normal day life like 90, cook like 95% of all my food, like very minimally processed.
37:52
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you kind of shock your body into like, ooh, really nothing fresh, nothing amazing for the next six days, but
37:59
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just part of the game, even if you backpack, you know that that's like how it would be.
38:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's about getting enough calories to keep on going.
38:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is.
38:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, to want to eat it, and people make the mistake all the time, like, newbie of entrecers, because you think like, oh yeah, I'm like, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are on bagels or whatever, and you get out there and you cannot eat bread.
38:18
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like your nemesis, it's so dry.
38:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And usually you're like, on the bird of not being hydrated enough.
38:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then to put that in your mouth,
38:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Like end up, you know, it's just as horrible.
38:32
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't do it.
38:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So you just end up bagging that kind of stuff, you know, things sound good or if you're going at it like a slow pace.
38:40
[SPEAKER_02]: that you could eat are not really viable at a fast pace, you know, make sense?
38:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the thick, gooey peanut butter may not be the right choice, the dry bread, probably not the right choice.
38:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm with you, I can't do the sugars.
38:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not like that.
38:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do the sugars.
38:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to do more of a protein fat, salty diet.
38:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, totally.
39:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And so definitely it's harder to do that.
39:02
[SPEAKER_02]: But they make like tuna fish now that's in those like little packs.
39:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And so usually if it's like, what ends up happening with me
39:10
[SPEAKER_02]: My nutrition on the bike ends up suffering a little bit because it's hard to find things I can eat while I run my bike for 20 hours, but I can eat anything when you track, you know.
39:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, that makes sense.
39:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's shift gears a little bit.
39:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I always try to get this question in.
39:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to hear about the time that things went really wrong.
39:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so that also the pattern going yet.
39:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's just pre-pref this by saying there's four people on the team, Chris, one of the guys.
39:35
[SPEAKER_02]: The 24 hours or the 30 30 six hours before the race started he got sick and he threw up for 24 hours like he did anything he was so sick and we were just like what are we going to do and as a team we just decide that we were going to go to the start line and see what happened like everyone else felt fine and so we were like well we'll just carries pack will limp in thrills and what happens will just start you know.
39:58
[SPEAKER_02]: So the eight hours leading into the Charlie race, he was fine.
40:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And by the time the race started, he was like, oh, yeah, I'm good.
40:04
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I mean, we didn't race super hard enough to bat because he was a little off the bat.
40:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, because he hadn't kept anything as body, he still wasn't super strong.
40:14
[SPEAKER_02]: But so then the first day about two o'clock, Warren, second teammate, he gets sick.
40:20
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's off his bike, just getting sick.
40:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it was so miserable.
40:28
[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't pin through it, you know, and we're just like, oh, this is not the way we thought this race was going to go.
40:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it was my turn.
40:36
[SPEAKER_02]: So I got sick at 6 o'clock the next night, and I mean, there was times where I literally like put my foot down through up off my bike and keep riding and it was miserable.
40:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, so the next day we were tracking, which was actually better than riding your bike in a few more times.
40:51
[SPEAKER_02]: So I hadn't kept any food in my body for 24 hours and it was just like,
40:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you just don't have the choice.
40:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you don't even have the choice to go slower.
41:00
[SPEAKER_02]: You're just like, what how bad can I mean, how much can I push my body and it not reject me?
41:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And luckily for me, I think maybe it was in the best situation there, because like I said, trekking was actually easier than biking, like the position you're in or whatever is better, but Chris, the guy that got sick originally,
41:20
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, just so you know, Yari, like you're not really going to want, like you're not going to feel good for another day.
41:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And now it's like, okay, and maybe just mentally knowing that prepared me for two days of pretty bad, I mean hardship.
41:35
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's definitely the worst I've ever suffered.
41:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely for the first time ever thought to myself, I don't have to leave my house again.
41:41
[SPEAKER_01]: That does not sound like fun.
41:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And how did your team win under those conditions?
41:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
41:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the thing that I think that happened then is that the first night when Warren was sick, he just said, I'm going to have to sleep.
41:54
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was not in our game plan.
41:55
[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be we're not planning on sleeping that night.
41:57
[SPEAKER_02]: If no one had felt sick, we would have ridden our bikes through the night.
42:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And but we had to sleep.
42:01
[SPEAKER_02]: But he was like,
42:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And now after knowing, I mean, yeah, I know how he felt.
42:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's totally true.
42:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, so we slept for four hours.
42:09
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the next night, when I started throwing up and was like midnight, we finally went to bed at one, I was like, we're gonna have to sleep again, guys.
42:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm sorry.
42:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't think I can like trek through the night.
42:19
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, okay.
42:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So we had two night, the first two nights, we slept for hours each.
42:26
[SPEAKER_02]: And that, that is what I think to like,
42:28
[SPEAKER_02]: We came back, I mean, because we didn't get so overdone up to begin with, you know, because the other teams, I think, exploded because of that.
42:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe there's a strategy there.
42:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe get a little bit more rest at the beginning of the race.
42:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know, but it's like, um, because there hasn't been enough like studies done about that.
42:45
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like too scary to put yourself like without any, I mean, just because you can't just because sleep for nine hours in the
42:57
[SPEAKER_02]: It's mentally that would be too, it's like too hard.
43:00
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, it's just, because you get to a checkpoint and they're like, oh yeah, that team, it's nine hours in front of you.
43:06
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like panic, the nine hours in two days, it's like too many, you know, that's like six too many.
43:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's not, and we just, we didn't like, for the first few days and we were sick and like just blimpin' ourselves through, we were like, we'll just see how it goes.
43:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we just didn't have maybe an agenda at that point because we just were maybe just appreciating being there
43:27
[SPEAKER_02]: full on racing and then once we all felt good and we were like throw down and went really well.
43:33
[SPEAKER_01]: So Yari, you also teach clinics.
43:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
43:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so for both chemo, I do actually adventure racing too.
43:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Adventure racing is key mountain biking.
43:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I part of that is that my love for the sport.
43:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I will do anything to encourage or get anyone else into the sport or have them have the best time they could possibly have.
43:52
[SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be pain involved, but if I can make it,
43:55
[SPEAKER_02]: more enjoyable or give you more skill, I'm all about it.
43:58
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Greeks wrote the pedics, they put on, he organizes some mountain bike clinics and ski mountaineering clinics.
44:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And I teach for them, and I actually teach for Dave Weenst, too at Western State.
44:12
[SPEAKER_02]: But I can't really say enough about how much, especially girls, but anyone can benefit from going to a clinic and
44:25
[SPEAKER_02]: um, how to breathe better, how to do everything better, how to do that better on skis, um, eventuracing a lot of it is like what gear to have, how to look at a map and like read it better, you know, there's other stuff involved in that, but um, it really does help.
44:41
[SPEAKER_02]: get advice and training from a professional, you know, to, yeah, I mean, I've made enough mistakes.
44:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you don't have to make the same mistakes.
44:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I can help that school, you know, one personal example would be about mountain biking.
44:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Most people can write a bike.
44:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you get on a mountain bike trail and, you know, you have a tight trail that's really curvy and you have some big drops and you have some big humps to get over.
45:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And in, in,
45:05
[SPEAKER_01]: there's some techniques that are not just automatic that you would get from knowing how to write a bike.
45:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you know those techniques, then it makes all the difference in the world.
45:15
[SPEAKER_02]: It really does.
45:16
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's more enjoyable.
45:17
[SPEAKER_02]: All of a sudden, you're not like struggling to do tight turns or to like get, do step ups or drops.
45:25
[SPEAKER_02]: You, it comes naturally and you're really comfortable at it.
45:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And all the energy you save mentally and physically, just goes into being faster.
45:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Just propelling yourself, you know, and the key is just a little tip for the listeners here.
45:40
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're not a mountainbiker, or you are, and you don't know this tip yet, this is a good one.
45:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So look where you want to go.
45:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, don't look at what you don't want to do.
45:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't look at what you, like if you look at tree and hit the tree, if you look at a bowler and hit the bowler and God forbid, if you look off a drop, you're going off.
45:59
[SPEAKER_02]: it's it's a craziest thing and when I say look I mean turn your head turn your head and look the bike will follow it's true and that's the so the opposite is true if you look at the open space then that's where you're going to go it's we're going to ski it's where you're going to bike that's you know if you look past the route you look past the rock that's where you're going to end up not at it so there's an an application there for everyday life I think
46:24
[SPEAKER_01]: oh for sure and this is the beauty of adventure sports these sorts of little things that you pick up along the way that can really impact you look where you want to go in real life folks and I'm not just talking about when you're walking down the street or driving your car all that's a good idea too but look at where you want to be where do you want to be in life focus on it you'll end up there it is totally true
46:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I could actually write a book, like everything I know about life I learned from a venture racing.
46:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Please write the book.
46:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to interview you and hear what you have to say and read the book myself.
46:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So that sounds great.
46:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll start working on it.
46:56
[SPEAKER_01]: On that, light, can you close this out with what inspires you?
47:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you keep doing this?
47:03
[SPEAKER_02]: At this point, I think my inspiration comes from getting to do new and different and exciting things.
47:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Even next, sometimes, like, running a trail and crest a view that I've never ridden before, or, but having the ability to be a professional adventurator and going to travel the world and seeing China and Japan and Australia and New Zealand and Abu Dhabi and that all over Europe and Paraguay and Chile and Argentina, like, every place, I have that inspires me to, like,
47:42
[SPEAKER_02]: meet new and different people and see different cultures and see how we can all fit together still.
47:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that all of us would benefit with a dose of that.
47:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think I've benefited from the dose of that.
47:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, I can speak personal experience.
48:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Yari, thank you so much for being on the show and giving us what I think is a very realistic view into adventure sports and all of this and I wish you all the best.
48:11
[SPEAKER_01]: You have amazing stories and good luck.
48:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Just keep on doing it.
48:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.
48:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate it.
48:17
[SPEAKER_01]: As always, thank you very much for your time today and get out there and have some fun.