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Credlin | 21 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Parliament back this week.
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Speaker 2: Is what's coming up on credline? Wounded Coalition MPs back
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Speaker 2: in camera this evening, putting.
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Speaker 3: A pretty brave face on things.
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Speaker 2: It's their second term now of opposition against a very
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Speaker 2: much reinvigorated Albanzi government. And news Polus morning suggesting support
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Speaker 2: for sus and leads Liberal parties now at a forty
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Speaker 2: year low. And wonder the Pam walked to walk work
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Speaker 2: almost flying high he was. We'll get the latest on
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Speaker 2: the washer up from the weekend's election in Tasmania. A
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Speaker 2: clear win here for Jeremy Rockliffe's Liberal Party, a historic
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Speaker 2: low for labor. So what's all this talk about labor
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Speaker 2: clinching power class? Clean energy executive's got a taste of
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Speaker 2: what could come in a fiery David and Goliaths showdown
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Speaker 2: over proposal for ninety turbines in a regional New South
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Speaker 2: Wales area. We'll cross to a local farmer who's ready
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Speaker 2: to take up the fight. And plenty of posturings today
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Speaker 2: from our political leaders as they addressed their respective party rooms.
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Speaker 4: Those opposite will have to decide whether they'll continue the
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Speaker 4: course that they set last term, which essentially was a
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Speaker 4: cul de sac.
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Speaker 2: Now mister Abinezi's getting interviews and he's suggesting that we
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Speaker 2: should just get out of the way.
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Speaker 5: Well, we won't be getting out of the way.
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Speaker 2: We'll stay with that of our tell what primates. We're
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Speaker 2: very careful of your humors. Now in some rare good
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Speaker 2: use for Liberal Party. On the weekend there was a
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Speaker 2: three percent swing to the Libs in the Tasmanian state election.
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Speaker 2: It's not certain though that the Liberal government, led by
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Speaker 2: the then Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe, will be returned because under
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Speaker 2: Tasmania is a bizarre hair clerk voting system. Even a
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Speaker 2: primary vote of forty percent, which is what the Lib's got,
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Speaker 2: won't normally lead to a majority of seats. Still, even
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Speaker 2: though where it's a left green sort of cross bench,
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Speaker 2: they'd be incurring electoral wrath if they supported Labor, which
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Speaker 2: went backwards by some three percent and with just a
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Speaker 2: primary vote of twenty six percent, had its worst vote
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Speaker 2: in history and having repeatedly sworn odeals with the Greens.
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Speaker 2: Either if Labour leader Dean Winter then did one in
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Speaker 2: order to seize government. It would be an utterly brazen
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Speaker 2: breach of faith. And yet that might still happen. It's
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Speaker 2: a little too early to tell. The Later in the show,
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Speaker 2: we'll speak with the Tasbanian Senator John o'dunnham for the
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Speaker 2: latest ILike the recent federal campaign, in this one, the
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Speaker 2: Tasmanian Liberals had three things.
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Speaker 3: Going for them.
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Speaker 2: First, they knew what they were against, an opportunistic labor
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Speaker 2: opposition forcing voters back to the polls early in a
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Speaker 2: crass attempt to grab power. Secondly, the Liberals knew what
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Speaker 2: they were for building a new, state of the art
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Speaker 2: football stadium, because if Tazy is going to be a
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Speaker 2: proper state, it needs proper infrastructure. And they are also
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Speaker 2: focused throughout the term on growing the state's tourism and
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Speaker 2: business opportunities. Respecting its natural beauty, sure, but not locking
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Speaker 2: it up with some sort of nature park where people
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Speaker 2: stand still and live on welfare. And third, the Liberals
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Speaker 2: had the advantage of incumbency. In difficult times, it helps
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Speaker 2: to have a leader who's known quantity to voters. After
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Speaker 2: more than a decade of Liberal rule, Rockliffe has the
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Speaker 2: lowest unemployment in Tasmania of any Premier and the highest
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Speaker 2: business confidence in the country. So, while the paraphrase Mark Twain,
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Speaker 2: reports of the Liberal Party's deaths has been greatly exaggerated
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Speaker 2: and Tasmania is certainly a bright spot outside of the
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Speaker 2: Appellisle thinks are pretty grim, in part because the federal
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Speaker 2: Liberals are yet to work out what therefore and what
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Speaker 2: they're against, and to be honest, reviewing them cells around
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Speaker 2: and round in circles doesn't help. Now, Yes, a serious
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Speaker 2: campaign review was absolutely needed, but multiple reviews at a
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Speaker 2: federal level, as well as a whole lot of different
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Speaker 2: reviews at a state level, or they risk being an
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Speaker 2: excuse for inertia. And with obsessions like gender quotas and
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Speaker 2: US style priories to choose the next round of candidates,
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Speaker 2: it can easily look like the Liberals are only focused
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Speaker 2: on the internals of the party and what might impact
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Speaker 2: them as politicians, rather than what's facing Australian families and
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Speaker 2: small businesses. And if you want more evidence so that
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Speaker 2: naval gazing and how it's turning the Libs. Take a
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Speaker 2: look at two polls out today. Both The Australian and
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Speaker 2: the Nine newspapers have the coalition's primary vote pegged at
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Speaker 2: just twenty nine percent. Twenty nine percent, I don't think
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Speaker 2: federally it's ever been lower. Now in terms of news poll,
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Speaker 2: Labour's two party preferred margins up to a whopping fifty
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Speaker 2: seven forty three. That's a two point improvement since the
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Speaker 2: election and that's a mountain for Susan Lee and a
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Speaker 2: team to climb, particularly when you factor in the massive
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Speaker 2: seat hall that Labor picked up in May. So this
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Speaker 2: is why the Libs have to get down a business
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Speaker 2: and fast now that the parliament's back and Labor starts
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Speaker 2: to push on with his agenda, whether Australians voted for
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Speaker 2: it or not. Believe me, the more time they lives
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Speaker 2: spend talking about themselves, be that quotas or anything else,
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Speaker 2: the more they'll wallow because voters, male or female, don't
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Speaker 2: respond to anything that looks self indulgent and excuse for
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Speaker 2: not having a view on the big issues facing our country.
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Speaker 2: It would be a catastrophic mistake if the Coalition let
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Speaker 2: all their various reviews into policy and the election result
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Speaker 2: keep them out of the political debate for the next
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Speaker 2: twelve months. As of tomorrow, when the Parliament sits, they'll
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Speaker 2: need a position and all the legislation that Labour's going
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Speaker 2: to bring forward, like taxing unrealized capital gains. Good on
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee today for her statement that the Opposition, she said,
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Speaker 2: would fight every step of the way on policy that's
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Speaker 2: against the national interest.
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Speaker 5: If they bring forward legislation that is not in the
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Speaker 5: national interest and it is not in the interests of Australians,
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Speaker 5: then we.
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Speaker 3: Will fight them every step.
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Speaker 4: Of the way.
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Speaker 2: And she should certainly ignore Anthony Albnez's attacks that the
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Speaker 2: Libs should, he says, just get out of his way,
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Speaker 2: because the first job of opposition is to oppose bad policy.
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Speaker 2: But I've been really disappointed by the way the oppositions
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Speaker 2: failed to seize the ground on the crisis in childcare,
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Speaker 2: an area where the government has profoundly let families down,
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Speaker 2: with at least four weeks now the rests and charges
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Speaker 2: against multiple childcare workers now. To be fair, Lee has
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Speaker 2: called these alleged crimes an incredible betrayal that she says
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Speaker 2: leaves her feeling physically sick, and she's written to to
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister offering bipartisan support for fast tracking legislation
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Speaker 2: such as a national register of childcare workers. But as
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Speaker 2: a former childcare minister herself, she's missed a big opportunity
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Speaker 2: to be more of a leader in this and hasn't
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Speaker 2: as she flagged new policy. There's plenty of it, such
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Speaker 2: as giving parents more options than just heavily corporatized and
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Speaker 2: unionized childcare centers. Now, as liberals, it's a no brainer
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Speaker 2: that they start to push for families to get childcare
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Speaker 2: funding paid directly to them, to give parents the choice
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Speaker 2: that they need to get the care that best suits
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Speaker 2: their family, be that in a formal childcare setting or
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Speaker 2: in the family home. Then there's all the issues around
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Speaker 2: the US Alliance triggered by the current government's obvious discomfort
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Speaker 2: with the Trump administration. Now plainly Anthony Albertezi, full of
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Speaker 2: his Beijing bravado, thinks he can remake the US Alliance
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Speaker 2: despite what the Anzas Treaty might say on the matter. Today,
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Speaker 2: he told the Australian newspaper that he was going to
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Speaker 2: make quote the Americans. He'll tell them, make it clear
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Speaker 2: to them about what we can do and what we
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Speaker 2: can't do. If that includes that we can't increase defense
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Speaker 2: spending much beyond two percent of GDP, or then our
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Speaker 2: alliance of the US is on life support, it best.
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Speaker 3: And the PM is still.
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Speaker 2: Insisting that he'll meet Donald Trump on the sidelines of
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Speaker 2: some other meeting rather than meet him at the White House.
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Speaker 2: So after a six day visit to China, he's hoping
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Speaker 2: for what six minutes in a corridor or in the
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Speaker 2: bathroom at some international talk fest. I mean, honestly, that
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Speaker 2: shows a week PM who's scared of a face off
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Speaker 2: with the US President, accustomed to speaking his mind, a
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Speaker 2: PM who hopes if he does it this way, he
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Speaker 2: perhaps can avoid media scrutiny. That's what's said in the room.
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Speaker 2: So and after the handwringing Liberals, you've got a PM
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Speaker 2: flailing around a national security and the security of our
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Speaker 2: children in a childcare system that we all pay as
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Speaker 2: taxpayers sixteen billion a year to fund.
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Speaker 3: Use your leverage.
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Speaker 2: And while you're at it, with yet another offshore wind
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Speaker 2: farm falling over last week and countless others in limbo,
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Speaker 2: let's have a Fetingham debate on it zero that your
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Speaker 2: support is so desperately want. Because the best way for
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Speaker 2: the Libs to gain their standing with voters is for
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Speaker 2: them to give the Australian people the leadership that they're
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Speaker 2: not getting from the current government.
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Speaker 6: All right.
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Speaker 3: Joining us now from Canberra for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter Julia Bradley Good Evening.
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Speaker 7: Politicians have returned to Canberra ahead of the first sitting
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Speaker 7: of the forty eighth Parliament. The Albanese the government enters
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Speaker 7: its second term with a thumping majority. Fresh off the
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Speaker 7: plane from China, the Prime Minister opted to walk to work,
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Speaker 7: braving the Canberra cold.
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Speaker 3: Well excited to be back, Prome Minister, I am indeed.
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Speaker 7: Labour will have a much easier time passing legislation, commanding
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Speaker 7: ninety four seats in the lower House compared with the
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Speaker 7: coalition's forty three seats.
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Speaker 4: There is no reason why every single one of you
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Speaker 4: can't just be returned to the next parliament, but can't
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Speaker 4: be added to as well.
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Speaker 7: The government's policy priorities for the next sitting fortnite include
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Speaker 7: cutting student hextets in training penalty rates and strengthening childcare
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Speaker 7: safety laws. The first female leader of the Liberal Party
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Speaker 7: has addressed a joint party room as fresh polling suggests
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Speaker 7: the opposition is still struggling to resonate with voters. Susan
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Speaker 7: Lee and her National's counterpart delivered a much needed pep
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Speaker 7: talk after a bruising election defeat.
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Speaker 8: Now mister Abenezi's getting interviews and he suggests that we
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Speaker 8: should just get out of the way.
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Speaker 3: Well, we won't be getting out of the way.
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Speaker 5: Our job is to represent the millions of Australians who
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Speaker 5: voted for us, but also the millions who maybe didn't.
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Speaker 1: We can sit in the corner, in the fetal position
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Speaker 1: and give up, or we can come out swinging.
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Speaker 3: And I can tell you what we will do is
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Speaker 3: come out swinging.
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Speaker 7: And Sky News can reveal the Labor Party has decided
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Speaker 7: to keep its portrait of former leader Mark Latham on
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Speaker 7: the party room wall after his former partner accused him
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Speaker 7: of domestic abuse allegations mister Latham denies. The Labor Caucus
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Speaker 7: decided unanimously to add a plaque to the image of
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Speaker 7: the former New South Wales One Nation leader turned independent MP.
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Speaker 3: It will read.
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Speaker 7: In twenty seventeen, Mark Latham was expelled from the Australian
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Speaker 7: Labor Party and banned for life. His actions do not
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Speaker 7: accord with Labor values and fail to meet the standards
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Speaker 7: we expect and demand. Julia Bradley Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Pretty interesting is let's going out of our panel. We're
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Speaker 2: a kickoff a busy weekend Hamera Parliament of course tomorrow
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Speaker 2: it's very ceremonial, although in the first day we won't
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Speaker 2: get a question time until Wednesday. DoD be how to
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Speaker 2: discuss at all political report it can Reddit and the
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Speaker 2: host of the Power our hero on's gone you it's
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Speaker 2: a wonderful gad power Well all smiles this morning.
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Speaker 3: Can the PM walking to work.
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Speaker 2: And where you can see the state of the forty
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Speaker 2: eighth Parliament.
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Speaker 3: You'd be pretty happy about that. It's a sea of red.
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Speaker 2: We saw a list there of some of his first
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Speaker 2: fortnight priorities.
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Speaker 3: What else can you tell us?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, the first one off the blocks, Peter, will be
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Speaker 9: that twenty percent cut to student debt.
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Speaker 3: They've said that for some time.
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Speaker 9: That'll be the first bit that will go through in
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Speaker 9: the coming days when we do get that first sitting
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Speaker 9: day proper on Wednesday. Once the ceremonial bits are done,
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Speaker 9: that we changes to things like recognizing penalty rates, enshrining
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Speaker 9: that in law. Childcare is the most interesting one. You
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Speaker 9: mentioned that a moment ago. There's an intent from the
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Speaker 9: coalition for bipartisanship here, we might not see legislation passed
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Speaker 9: until next week. It will pass in some form, and
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Speaker 9: then we're going to have next month that big meeting
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Speaker 9: of all the attorneys general Michelle Roland and others from
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Speaker 9: states as well to come up with a more uniform
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Speaker 9: national system of potentially things like working with children's checks
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Speaker 9: and others. But there'll be new legislation on that front
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Speaker 9: next week. What we won't see, Peter, is any movement
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Speaker 9: on that contentious superannuation tax change, the Prime Minister noting
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Speaker 9: ahead of this week that it simply does not have
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Speaker 9: support in the Senate, even though they have a pathway
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Speaker 9: with the Greens. The Greens have said they want that
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Speaker 9: threshold from three million lower down to accounts of above
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Speaker 9: two million, and Labor is not keen to budge on that.
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Speaker 9: Remember he said he wouldn't during the campaign, So one
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Speaker 9: bit of.
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Speaker 3: Work that Labor will want to get through.
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Speaker 9: They might just have to put that in the freezer
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Speaker 9: for at least a little bit. Though, if they're not
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Speaker 9: going to compromise on that figure.
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Speaker 2: Gabe just done some comments and made in the party
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Speaker 2: room by Susan Lay. She's not going to do what
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Speaker 2: the PM says and just get out of the way
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Speaker 2: and give him the Parliament.
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Speaker 3: For the next three years.
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Speaker 2: We've got news the Coalition's primary at twenty nine percent.
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Speaker 2: I did say, I don't think I've ever seen it
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Speaker 2: at twenty nine percent, forty year low. There for the
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Speaker 2: Libs well ahead two in terms of two pp to
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Speaker 2: Labor fifty seven forty three. Resolve poll overnight two pretty
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Speaker 2: similar to that. Not a great start for the collision,
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Speaker 2: not unexpected, but I tell you what's pretty demoralizing to
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Speaker 2: sit there in the chamber. And of course when Parliament
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Speaker 2: kicks off formally on Wednesday, it's very, very stark when
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Speaker 2: you look behind you and realize you've got no one
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Speaker 2: with you. You look across at the government and it's absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Chock a block.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and this is a shocking result for the Coalition
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Speaker 8: out of that News poll. You know, support for the
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Speaker 8: Coalition has dropped to its lowest level in forty years.
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Speaker 8: It's also worth pointing out the newspole found that support
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Speaker 8: for both major parties has dropped to a historic low.
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Speaker 8: But if you look at the Coalition, it's primary vote
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Speaker 8: on twenty nine percent, and if you look at where
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Speaker 8: voters are going going to Labor. But there's also been
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Speaker 8: that uptick in support for Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party.
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Speaker 8: It's gained one point six percentage points to eight percent,
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Speaker 8: and that does not at all surprise me. I mean,
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Speaker 8: if you look at some of the criticism of the Coalition,
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Speaker 8: it's been criticized for not being a strong enough opposition.
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Speaker 8: It was criticized for that during the election campaign, and
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Speaker 8: now looking at the data from Newspot, it appears to
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Speaker 8: be potentially even weaker under Susan Lee. So look, it's
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Speaker 8: only been a couple of months. Some Australians are still
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Speaker 8: getting to know her. But her approval rating is at
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Speaker 8: thirty five percent, and that is two points lower than
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Speaker 8: where Peter Dutton's was at when he was two months
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Speaker 8: into his leaderships. Also worth of course, noting that Anthony
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Speaker 8: Albanese's approval rating isn't great either at forty seven percent.
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Speaker 8: But look, come Wednesday, come question time, I think all
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Speaker 8: eyes will be on Susan Lee.
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Speaker 2: Look, I know it's our electoral system, but if you
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Speaker 2: take it the Greens preferential voting boost that laborgeds eighty
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Speaker 2: percent return on preferences, he would be nowhere in the
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Speaker 2: position on seats if you look at the primary that
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Speaker 2: labor got.
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Speaker 3: At the election. But it is where we are.
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Speaker 2: We could only be thankful it's not Hair Clark after
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Speaker 2: the weekend in Tasmania. Hey, let's go to the productivity summit, Treasure. Well,
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Speaker 2: it's started out as a productivity summit. Let's call it
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Speaker 2: the increasing taxes summit, because that's what it is for
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Speaker 2: you and your movement today. I tell you all this
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Speaker 2: talk about productivity. What they are demanding now are shorter
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Speaker 2: working weeks and more holidays instead of tax cuts. Now
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Speaker 2: you square this circle for me, cam out as a
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Speaker 2: shorter working week, boost productivity.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's not going to happen, Peter, it's flat out
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Speaker 9: as that. I mean, if you boost productivity and then
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Speaker 9: you cut your working hours back, you end up basically
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Speaker 9: where you were. So that's not the point of this.
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Speaker 9: I don't think that's going to happen. It is worth
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Speaker 9: noting though, And look, we don't often delve into the
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Speaker 9: reading habits of politicians, but the hot book of the
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Speaker 9: month for labor MPs is this book called Abundance. It
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Speaker 9: kind of tries to put a different spein on left
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Speaker 9: wing politics and its approach to the economy and things
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Speaker 9: like productivity. And one of the interesting lines in that
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Speaker 9: book which some of the union movements might be concerned about,
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Speaker 9: is some of the productivity drawbacks of highly unionized, highly
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Speaker 9: organized industries. Of course, that's the foundation of labor, it's
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Speaker 9: in the DNA. So they're not going to be taking
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Speaker 9: the acts to those industries and trying to really make
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Speaker 9: them change. But in terms of looking for productivity, Peter,
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Speaker 9: that is the secret source to get the economy moving.
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Speaker 9: And it does seem like they're going to be open
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Speaker 9: to thinking outside the box. Will that mean higher taxes?
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Speaker 9: Maybe they don't want to really rule a lot in
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Speaker 9: or out. I guess it more comes down to how
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Speaker 9: do they change the tax mix where if they raise
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Speaker 9: it somewhere else, they will probably need to cut somewhere
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Speaker 9: else in order to sell that. That would be a
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Speaker 9: really difficult task if it was just a few increases here,
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Speaker 9: Although of course they'll always point to lower income taxes
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Speaker 9: that they.
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Speaker 3: Brought through before the election.
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Speaker 9: Will that change those somewhere else, potentially on businesses or
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Speaker 9: in some other way to try and get productivity. It's
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Speaker 9: not an easy task.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just on that hot book.
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Speaker 2: It's always interesting Labor love to find a left wing
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Speaker 2: idea from overseas and try and import it. You both
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Speaker 2: were probably still in nappies when the older Tony Blair
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Speaker 2: Blair eyed economics came to Australia, when every Labor MP
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Speaker 2: was banging on about the third Way. Unfortunately I was
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Speaker 2: in Canberra at that time. It didn't solve their problems.
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Speaker 10: Then.
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Speaker 2: I don't think abundance naturally translates at the moment.
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Speaker 3: But we'll see what happens.
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Speaker 2: Hey, just on childcare, you heard me at the top
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Speaker 2: of the show, A cam just referenced this meeting of
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Speaker 2: Attorneys to General coming up. There's a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: stuff game though, that the government can do now. And
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Speaker 2: I go back to the election campaign where they rejected
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Speaker 2: that Register of child sex offenders, the national register that
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Speaker 2: the Morcambs, the wonderful Bruce and Denise Morgan, had fought
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Speaker 2: for so long. It was coalition policy knocked back then
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Speaker 2: by the Prime Minister. All this stuff's got to be national,
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Speaker 2: but it all can be the are now and I
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Speaker 2: think parents are getting frustrated that we've had a whole
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Speaker 2: month here the Prime Minister's been going around the world.
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Speaker 2: He has not been focused on this sort of stuff.
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Speaker 2: And Susan Lee, I tell you a former Minister for childcare,
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Speaker 2: she wants to improve the party standing with women. I mean,
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Speaker 2: give up on the quota is talk about this stuff.
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Speaker 2: This is no brainer gap.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: I couldn't agree with you more, Peter. I mean, this
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Speaker 8: is just such a serious issue. If you want to
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Speaker 8: talk about an issue that women care about, that mothers
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Speaker 8: care about, that every Australians care about, it's of course
19:28
Speaker 8: child protection and child safety. And every Australian I think
19:32
Speaker 8: is just absolutely heartbroken and devastated after hearing those allegations
19:36
Speaker 8: of horrific abuse out of that Victorian childcare center, and
19:39
Speaker 8: then what's come out since then, the loopholes in the
19:42
Speaker 8: system that predators have been able to get through. They
19:44
Speaker 8: haven't been adequate checks. And we know that Education Minister
19:48
Speaker 8: Adjacent Clair has pledged to cut funding from childcare services
19:52
Speaker 8: if they failed to meet certain safety standards. But this
19:56
Speaker 8: absolutely needs to be coming from the top. The federal
19:59
Speaker 8: government needs to to be leading on this urgently and
20:03
Speaker 8: as you noted, at the top of the program that
20:05
Speaker 8: Susan Lee looks. She wrote to the Prime Minister. She's
20:07
Speaker 8: of course offered by partisan support, but that really seems to.
20:11
Speaker 3: Be the bare minimum here.
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Speaker 8: Of course, that's a no brainer. This is an opportunity
20:15
Speaker 8: if she wants to lead, and I think every Australian
20:18
Speaker 8: could really expect that from her and from both our
20:20
Speaker 8: leaders when it comes to an issue as serious as
20:22
Speaker 8: this one.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, what happens to tomorrow when Gizelle kept hearing,
20:29
Speaker 2: of course we know is challenging the result in Bradfield.
20:32
Speaker 2: What happens in terms of Nicola Bolai? Does she get
20:35
Speaker 2: sworn in this week?
20:38
Speaker 3: I had to check this, Peter.
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Speaker 9: She does, so she's an MP because remember, of course
20:42
Speaker 9: the AAC did actually certify that result, so Nicolette Buller
20:45
Speaker 9: is deemed the winner. The Liberal Party is going to
20:48
Speaker 9: challenge that. But for all intents and purposes, when Parliament
20:51
Speaker 9: resumes this week, Giselle cap Arrian not a member of parliament.
20:55
Speaker 9: Nicolete Buller is the member for Bradfield, so she'll be
20:57
Speaker 9: sitting most likely in the chamber on Wednesday. Whether something
21:01
Speaker 9: changes through the court process, that will play out for now,
21:04
Speaker 9: though yes she is a member of Parliament.
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Speaker 2: I'll mak the point too of course, so Captarian was
21:10
Speaker 2: on the front bench for Susan Lee. So if she
21:12
Speaker 2: doesn't win the court case, Susan Lee will need an
21:14
Speaker 2: almost immediate reshuffle. It'll be interesting as well. I'll leave
21:17
Speaker 2: it there, thank you very much. On Saturday, Tasmanians went
21:20
Speaker 2: back to the poll. There was, of course, that snap
21:22
Speaker 2: election called and given the vagaries of the Hairclok voting system,
21:25
Speaker 2: I thought we'd better get our chief election out of last.
21:28
Speaker 2: Tom Connellen to give us a breakdown tonight of where
21:31
Speaker 2: things stand with.
21:33
Speaker 3: Pre poll votes now counted.
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Speaker 11: Here's how the parliament now looks in Tasmania. We've got
21:37
Speaker 11: fourteen to Liberal, ten Labor, five Green, four Independent and
21:41
Speaker 11: crucially two still undecided.
21:43
Speaker 3: How would that.
21:45
Speaker 11: Mean things turn out in terms of who actually forms government? Well,
21:48
Speaker 11: for Jeremy Rockcliffe, he apparently gets the first go He
21:51
Speaker 11: would hope at least to get David.
21:53
Speaker 3: O'byrn and Christy Johnston.
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Speaker 11: None of this is assured that gets him to sixteen.
21:57
Speaker 11: He won't get the Greens on side, and that means
21:59
Speaker 11: the Green are effectively on Dean Winter's side.
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Speaker 3: How do things pan out from here? The only path of.
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Speaker 11: Jeremy Rockliffe is to get two of the remaining three.
22:08
Speaker 11: We've got Craig Garland and Peter George, relatively left leaning
22:12
Speaker 11: shooters Fish's Farmers as well. Carloor de Falko is actually
22:15
Speaker 11: former Labor Party member, so that's not easy for Jeremy
22:18
Speaker 11: Rockliffe and for Labour well, their main path would probably
22:21
Speaker 11: be if they actually win that final seat in Bassett
22:24
Speaker 11: gets them for sixteen and suddenly they have a bit
22:26
Speaker 11: more of a viable path via Craig Garland and of
22:30
Speaker 11: course Peter George getting them to eighteen. But going against
22:33
Speaker 11: that possibility is the overall vote. We can't forget as well,
22:37
Speaker 11: the overall will of Tasmanians.
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Speaker 3: This will definitely be a part of those.
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Speaker 11: Negotiations because we look at the statewide vote most of
22:43
Speaker 11: it's in here and it's a three percent against the
22:46
Speaker 11: swing against the Labor Party their primary their lowest on
22:49
Speaker 11: record at twenty six percent. So that will be part
22:51
Speaker 11: of the argument as to who should actually form government
22:54
Speaker 11: as to the will of the Tasmanian people. Once we
22:56
Speaker 11: get all the seats decided, that will be about two
22:59
Speaker 11: weeks away.
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Speaker 2: Joinmen our shadow Education ministaff of course, Liberal Senate of
23:04
Speaker 2: a Tasmania. John o'dunam, Well, you can see they're on
23:07
Speaker 2: the call theboard. There jo great result for the Liberals,
23:10
Speaker 2: worst result in history, bah none for the Labor Party.
23:14
Speaker 2: Yet they might be able to connive with the Greens
23:17
Speaker 2: to take power. How the heck's that democracy?
23:22
Speaker 12: Well, that's the thing, Peter, it's not. That is an
23:25
Speaker 12: absolutely ridiculous proposal. Labour took a hit. Let's not forget.
23:29
Speaker 12: It's an election they forced. They're the ones who moved
23:32
Speaker 12: the no confidence motion and succeeded. I don't know whether
23:35
Speaker 12: that was their plan or not. The leader of the
23:38
Speaker 12: Labor Party, Dean went to then declined an invitation from
23:41
Speaker 12: the governor to form government, forcing everyone to an election,
23:44
Speaker 12: and then he managed to lose it. Not only did
23:46
Speaker 12: they not improve their position, they, as Tom said, took
23:49
Speaker 12: a heat of three percent. So they're back to the
23:52
Speaker 12: worst result ever in Tasmania for them. I cannot believe that.
23:56
Speaker 12: On election night he stood there and he sort of
23:59
Speaker 12: talked about collaborative parliaments and working with a cross bench.
24:02
Speaker 12: He would have to work with five Greens and we
24:05
Speaker 12: all know what they do to jurisdictions. They get the
24:07
Speaker 12: leavers of power in their grip on he'd have to
24:10
Speaker 12: work with three cross benches, all who have disparate views.
24:14
Speaker 12: They would absolutely decimate our economy. He should have conceded today,
24:18
Speaker 12: He should have done the right thing by the people
24:20
Speaker 12: who he's just forced to go to an election. But
24:22
Speaker 12: in true Labor form, he's going to keep us waiting
24:25
Speaker 12: and he's going to hang on to the bitter end.
24:29
Speaker 2: What drove the result, Because I spoke at the top
24:30
Speaker 2: of the show, I mean it was I think a
24:33
Speaker 2: popular leader in the sense here delivered through state.
24:35
Speaker 3: The results on the board.
24:36
Speaker 2: There in Tasmania some of the strongest business wise, commercial wise,
24:42
Speaker 2: tourism wise results you've had in that state for a
24:45
Speaker 2: long time. And incumbency and I guess probably angry about
24:49
Speaker 2: going to the polls.
24:51
Speaker 3: Is that that or more?
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Speaker 12: No, I think what you've listed is very much at
24:57
Speaker 12: the heart of why the Libs had such a strong
25:00
Speaker 12: result down there. Jeremy Rockliffe incredibly popular and that's why
25:04
Speaker 12: Labour wanted to get rid of him with this ridiculous
25:06
Speaker 12: no confidence motion. You also had a Labor Party that
25:11
Speaker 12: were being punished for having forced an early election. But
25:15
Speaker 12: again I point to the fact that they weren't ready
25:17
Speaker 12: as if they didn't have a plan to actually run
25:20
Speaker 12: a campaign, let alone govern. They gave no alternative to
25:24
Speaker 12: the people of Tasmania. And here, Clark, at the end
25:26
Speaker 12: of the day, is a system, particularly in our very
25:29
Speaker 12: small jurisdiction, where people will vote if they know you
25:33
Speaker 12: or they've heard your name, not necessarily what you stand for.
25:36
Speaker 12: It's about the people in your community, you know, or
25:38
Speaker 12: that you see down the street. I have to say,
25:39
Speaker 12: that's one of the realities we deal with.
25:43
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Hair Clark, I tell what it's crazy
25:46
Speaker 2: when need to change that, because I mean Tasmate is
25:48
Speaker 2: a state. It's not like the Act that can have
25:52
Speaker 2: a crazy voting system. You're a grown up state, but
25:54
Speaker 2: you haven't got a grown up voting system.
25:56
Speaker 3: Is that on the table?
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Speaker 12: Well, I think honestly now, given we've had two elections
26:03
Speaker 12: within the space of what fifteen months, our third early election,
26:08
Speaker 12: we need to have a serious conversation about it. It's
26:12
Speaker 12: a system that it's a bit like someone described the
26:15
Speaker 12: Australian Senate to me once, is like a French film.
26:18
Speaker 12: You think it makes sense and it looks like it's
26:19
Speaker 12: going in a certain direction, and then suddenly there's a
26:21
Speaker 12: plot twist and it goes in a totally different direction.
26:24
Speaker 12: Here Clark is exactly the same, and you get at
26:27
Speaker 12: the sixth and seventh spots in all of these electorates,
26:30
Speaker 12: the five electorates across the state, these minor parties and
26:33
Speaker 12: independents that represent very narrow focus groups, and they're the
26:36
Speaker 12: ones who are derailing the future of our state. But
26:38
Speaker 12: we do need to have a serious adult conversation about it.
26:44
Speaker 2: You're kind I think it looks like one of those
26:46
Speaker 2: Chainsaw horror movies on Saturday night. And tell you what, Hey,
26:49
Speaker 2: you're back in Campbell. Let's focus on the Fairs shocking
26:52
Speaker 2: news poll today.
26:54
Speaker 3: There is, as I said at the.
26:55
Speaker 2: Top of the show, a bit of a bright light
26:56
Speaker 2: for liberals down in Tasmania, and not so when you
26:58
Speaker 2: look at camera. And I made the point I remember
27:02
Speaker 2: after John Howard lost, you know seven, sitting back in
27:04
Speaker 2: the chamber when the Parliament return and look at the
27:06
Speaker 2: sea of red on the government benches. You can forget
27:09
Speaker 2: the election result until you sit back in the chamber
27:12
Speaker 2: and then it's absolutely apparent.
27:15
Speaker 3: How do you turn this around? John? Where should the
27:17
Speaker 3: Libs be focused?
27:20
Speaker 12: Well, I'll tell you what politics is not rocket science.
27:23
Speaker 12: And we've failed at the last election and for a
27:26
Speaker 12: good part of the term to actually come up with
27:29
Speaker 12: solutions that Australians needed and clearly articulate to them that
27:33
Speaker 12: the solutions we were offering were the ones that would
27:36
Speaker 12: get them a better outcome. And that's how you get votes.
27:39
Speaker 12: You convince people that your plan for them is a
27:41
Speaker 12: better one, clearly, coherently, consistently.
27:45
Speaker 10: We didn't do that.
27:46
Speaker 12: As I say, I mean you've run through a range
27:49
Speaker 12: of things related to for instance, childcare today. They're the
27:52
Speaker 12: sorts of things we need to be talking about solutions
27:54
Speaker 12: to costantly all of that in a very clear and
27:57
Speaker 12: coherent way. We should be out of the talking about
28:01
Speaker 12: these things, as I say, the solutions to the people,
28:04
Speaker 12: to the problems people are facing, so that they actually
28:07
Speaker 12: then convert that into a vote for us at the
28:09
Speaker 12: next selection. We have no choice but to climb this
28:12
Speaker 12: mountain and work as hard as we damn can to
28:14
Speaker 12: get the best result possible.
28:17
Speaker 2: Will you keep kicking a few backsides inside the party room,
28:20
Speaker 2: because I reckon a few might need it, Donna m
28:22
Speaker 2: thank you after the break. How is it that PM
28:25
Speaker 2: can have all these redlines when dealing with Donald Trump,
28:28
Speaker 2: but appear to give Beijing a leaf pass, as it
28:31
Speaker 2: did last week.
28:32
Speaker 3: Plus the alarming.
28:32
Speaker 2: News of those ports linked to walkers being snatched up
28:37
Speaker 2: by businesses with links to Beijing.
28:40
Speaker 3: Are we sleep at the wheel again? Welcome back?
28:47
Speaker 2: Still to come yet another farming community, this time in
28:49
Speaker 2: New South Wales, pushing back against the massive role out
28:52
Speaker 2: of wind farms SEF set to devastate some of Australia's
28:56
Speaker 2: best agricultural land. But first, the Prime Minister said he's
29:00
Speaker 2: now focused on securing a face to face meeting with
29:03
Speaker 2: President Donald Trump following his six day trip to China.
29:06
Speaker 2: Should have been his focus from day one, but there
29:09
Speaker 2: we are, and more than just a meeting. In an
29:11
Speaker 2: interview with The Australian out today, the Prime Minister says
29:14
Speaker 2: he's vowed to draw clear lines for the meeting on
29:17
Speaker 2: the limits of the nation's partnership. Do you want to
29:21
Speaker 2: be now to discuss what this means? Former Army Director
29:23
Speaker 2: General retired Brigadier Ian Langford in thank you for your time,
29:28
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you make of this idea of
29:30
Speaker 2: clear lines on the limits of our partnership?
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Speaker 6: Mean?
29:34
Speaker 2: How do you read this because if you take the
29:37
Speaker 2: Prime minster literally, is he looking to rewrite the Anzas Treaty.
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Speaker 10: Well, it's really interesting, Peter, thanks for having me.
29:46
Speaker 9: On.
29:46
Speaker 10: On one hand, we have this real strategic contemplation around
29:50
Speaker 10: his six day visit. High level delegations would have gone
29:53
Speaker 10: into significant preparation and planning for those key leader engagements
29:57
Speaker 10: in Beijing. I contrast that to the more reactive approach
30:01
Speaker 10: that we're seeing now as it relates to the Prime
30:04
Speaker 10: Minister's visit or attempt to achieve an office call with
30:08
Speaker 10: the President. And so you can see on one hand
30:10
Speaker 10: a real strategic play in terms of how we engage
30:13
Speaker 10: with China, and we see on the other a much
30:16
Speaker 10: more reactive, much more constraining and potentially conflict style as
30:23
Speaker 10: it relates to the US. So, I mean part of
30:25
Speaker 10: this comment around redlines really pertains to the domestic agenda here.
30:29
Speaker 10: It's been very popular for the Prime Minister to be
30:32
Speaker 10: critical of the President. There's obviously a dimension here around
30:35
Speaker 10: things like the pharmaceutical benefit scheme and him wanting to
30:38
Speaker 10: protect that. But really, when you think about our security guaranteel,
30:44
Speaker 10: the relationship between Australia and the US, and most acutely
30:48
Speaker 10: between our two key leaders is what underscores and us
30:53
Speaker 10: in execution what underwrites Australia's national security. And it really
30:57
Speaker 10: does give focus and provide, if you like, an all
31:00
Speaker 10: start around how we design policy, how we resource our
31:03
Speaker 10: national security, and how we achieve a mandate with the
31:05
Speaker 10: Australian people to keep them safe.
31:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right to say he looked incredibly warm over
31:12
Speaker 2: there with the Chinese is come home and the first
31:15
Speaker 2: sort of hit out of the Australian media. It looks
31:17
Speaker 2: like with those comments regarding President Trump that he's performing
31:20
Speaker 2: for Beijing, that he said something behind closed doors, I'll
31:23
Speaker 2: make it clear when I get back to Australia, and he's.
31:26
Speaker 3: Doing just that.
31:27
Speaker 2: And also over the weekend, you know, not a lot
31:31
Speaker 2: out of that visit six days big time for a
31:33
Speaker 2: PM was concrete and that was the general view of
31:38
Speaker 2: most of the commentariat. And do you think that's a
31:39
Speaker 2: fair criticism.
31:42
Speaker 10: I think it is so. I mean, we've had apples,
31:44
Speaker 10: we've had tourism, and they are worthy in their own right.
31:47
Speaker 10: But really, in the days since the Prime Minister has
31:50
Speaker 10: completed this activity, I'm looking for what are the enduring
31:55
Speaker 10: dimensions benefits what is changing as a result of that
31:58
Speaker 10: high level engagement. And again we think we understand that
32:02
Speaker 10: we've had some key leader and relationship resets with the
32:06
Speaker 10: Chinese leadership, but that can't obviously come at a cost
32:09
Speaker 10: in terms of how we balance overall both our security
32:12
Speaker 10: and our economic relationships with the two countries that will
32:16
Speaker 10: have the most deterministic effect on our future for the
32:20
Speaker 10: rest of our lives. So it's one thing to achieve
32:23
Speaker 10: some small gains, it's another to declare a relationship reset.
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Speaker 10: We really didn't achieve any acknowledgment from the Chinese as
32:32
Speaker 10: it relates to things that concern us, to include some
32:35
Speaker 10: of that maritime aggression we saw off the East Coast
32:38
Speaker 10: some months ago. We haven't had a clear explanation on
32:41
Speaker 10: the purpose around military expansion in the way that we're
32:45
Speaker 10: seeing the People's Liberation Army really rival the US now
32:49
Speaker 10: in the Western Pacific and in eastern North Asia. I mean,
32:52
Speaker 10: China have doubled their nuclear arsenal since twenty twenty, and
32:57
Speaker 10: the explanation for doing that is not clear. They're the
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Speaker 10: big strategic issues that a country like Australia, a middle
33:03
Speaker 10: power who was in a military alliance with the United States.
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Speaker 10: Really want to understand from these visits so that we
33:09
Speaker 10: can chart our way forward, because really, if you listen
33:13
Speaker 10: to the pundits and the experts, the period we're moving
33:17
Speaker 10: into now demands more Australian state craft, demands more expertise
33:22
Speaker 10: and more real agility in terms of how we manage
33:25
Speaker 10: our economic and our security relationships.
33:29
Speaker 2: I won't get into so the failure of the Prime
33:32
Speaker 2: Minister to discuss the Port of Darwin, but clearly that
33:35
Speaker 2: involvement with the Chinese company should put us all on notice.
33:38
Speaker 2: So I think, you know, we've got to say we're
33:40
Speaker 2: shocked by the revelations in the Australian that there's a
33:43
Speaker 2: whole lot of companies that are leads travelings to the
33:46
Speaker 2: Chinese Communist Party buying up land at Port Kembler and
33:50
Speaker 2: new Castle. Now we know back in twenty thirteen these
33:53
Speaker 2: two ports were shortlisted for Orcus it feels like we're a.
33:58
Speaker 3: Sleep with a wheel here.
33:59
Speaker 2: I mean, is it no one sitting at Russell and
34:02
Speaker 2: checking these sort of purchases. Is no one in Parliament
34:05
Speaker 2: House checking these sort of purchases. I presume they've got
34:08
Speaker 2: to go through ferb in some way, But I mean
34:10
Speaker 2: this is crazy.
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Speaker 10: It is I mean, we can't we have a retrospective
34:18
Speaker 10: experience based on the Port of Darwin. We should be
34:21
Speaker 10: thinking about our defense facilities in terms of the threats
34:24
Speaker 10: they face, be that espionage, be that sabotage, be that
34:29
Speaker 10: passive intelligence collection, and we should be really mindful of
34:32
Speaker 10: who is acquiring land through lease or through purchase, and
34:36
Speaker 10: whether or not they're state owned, and what kind of
34:38
Speaker 10: threat that might represent to that facility. We also know
34:42
Speaker 10: in the US, for example, the US government is now
34:45
Speaker 10: clamping down on Chinese government companies I should say that
34:48
Speaker 10: are buying land in and around US Air Force facilities.
34:51
Speaker 10: It's certainly part of I think a deliberate campaign on
34:55
Speaker 10: the part of the Chinese to get close to our
34:57
Speaker 10: defense facilities to increase their capacity to collect intelligence. And
35:01
Speaker 10: when it comes to UCUS, specifically Pillow one, the nuclear
35:04
Speaker 10: powered submarine, there can be no compromise for meeting our
35:08
Speaker 10: security obligations in terms of sharing that platform with the
35:12
Speaker 10: Americans and that technology, but also keeping ourselves safe for
35:16
Speaker 10: what Richard Miles calls the apex predator of our defense capability.
35:20
Speaker 10: So this is really concerning our foreign Investment Review Board
35:23
Speaker 10: has a part to play here, but so does our
35:25
Speaker 10: leadership and the public discussion around how we keep our
35:28
Speaker 10: facilities secure, not only now but in the years and
35:31
Speaker 10: decades ahead as these capabilities come online.
35:36
Speaker 3: Bring it a lake Fett thank you out of the brank.
35:39
Speaker 3: I'll bring you that.
35:39
Speaker 2: Footage from a regional townhole meeting over the weekend absolutely
35:42
Speaker 2: fired our farmers over a wind farm issue. You're not
35:46
Speaker 2: going to want to miss that plast The council ruled
35:48
Speaker 2: in Victoria that limits of display the Australian flag because
35:51
Speaker 2: of concerns it's not culturally safe.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back coming up.
36:01
Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews's former chief of staff has spoken publicly for
36:03
Speaker 2: the first time and she's given a pretty blunt assessment
36:06
Speaker 2: of Labour's performance at the last state and federal elections.
36:10
Speaker 2: Pretty telling that's coming out. But first to a fiery
36:13
Speaker 2: town hall meeting last week. It was Thursday, bigger pardon
36:16
Speaker 2: over the weekend at a small, inner, small New South
36:19
Speaker 2: Wales town, the town of Bowning, not far from Yes
36:22
Speaker 2: and passionate injections are from local farmers and community members
36:26
Speaker 2: against a plan to build some ninety wind turbines ninety,
36:31
Speaker 2: with each one about the same size as a skyscraper
36:34
Speaker 2: in Sydney. A consortium of companies led by wind Prospect
36:39
Speaker 2: behind the renewables proposal, which could see the turbines built
36:42
Speaker 2: between Bitterlong and Bowning, an area with a population of
36:46
Speaker 2: around one thousand people but fantastic prime agricultural land. It's
36:53
Speaker 2: fair to say these energy execs probably weren't expecting such
36:57
Speaker 2: fiery pushback.
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Speaker 7: I believe in building the Gatherer for forty bloody years,
37:03
Speaker 7: paying the bank, and you guys come.
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Speaker 3: Along and sat me right around the country.
37:13
Speaker 2: You saw me cover this in the Mallley in western
37:15
Speaker 2: Victoria at the top of the year.
37:17
Speaker 3: This is New South Wales.
37:18
Speaker 2: We've talked a lot also about the Illawara, and this
37:22
Speaker 2: one looks like a David and Goliath battle. I think
37:24
Speaker 2: because people in Canberra are underestimating the community is concerned
37:29
Speaker 2: with our headlong push to net zero. Emma Wab is
37:33
Speaker 2: a third generation woolf farmer, mum of three and the
37:36
Speaker 2: presidents of a new community action group that's been established
37:39
Speaker 2: to try and stop this renewable project from going ahead.
37:42
Speaker 2: I'm pleased to say Emma joins me now, Emma give
37:46
Speaker 2: me a sense of the consequences for farmers like you
37:49
Speaker 2: and locals if this project gets the go ahead.
37:54
Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 13: The consequences are huge, Peter, and thank you for having
37:57
Speaker 13: me on. The consequence is that our home, our community,
38:01
Speaker 13: our landscape will never be the same again. It will
38:04
Speaker 13: be a large scale industrialization of a farming community. And
38:09
Speaker 13: we're feeling the impacts of this project right now. Every
38:13
Speaker 13: day I'm fielding phone calls from neighbors who are not
38:16
Speaker 13: coping with the stress. Farmers who have worked their entire
38:20
Speaker 13: lives to care for the land and whose entire wealth
38:25
Speaker 13: and legacy is tied up in that land, who feel
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Speaker 13: an overwhelming sense of powerlessness. And once you throw the
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Speaker 13: stress of this development on top of poor markets and
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Speaker 13: rising costs and a poor season, it's a recipe for disaster.
38:42
Speaker 13: But we can also we also the consequences for the
38:45
Speaker 13: villages of Binelong and Bounding are massive. This is irreversible
38:49
Speaker 13: change and harm. We can look at other projects, because
38:52
Speaker 13: there are so many projects in this region. We are
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Speaker 13: absolutely saturated in wind turbines already, and we know that
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Speaker 13: these projects are pushed through the approvals process by underselling
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Speaker 13: the impact on communities and people's lives and they benefit
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Speaker 13: the few at the expense of many.
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Speaker 2: And look, you barely get to say, you absolutely barely
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Speaker 2: get to say.
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Speaker 3: You make the point that they pushed through a lot
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Speaker 3: of areas.
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Speaker 2: There are no rights for locals and residents landhowners to object.
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Speaker 2: We're seeing in Victoria that if you want to object
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Speaker 2: to this stuff coming on your land, you could end
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Speaker 2: up with a twelve to fourteen thousand dollars.
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Speaker 10: Fine.
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Speaker 2: We know that there's at best a fourteen year life
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Speaker 2: for the head of these turbines, and a lot of
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Speaker 2: them it's not economical to take them down, so they
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Speaker 2: leave them to rust in paddocks and to cap it
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Speaker 2: all off. Seventy percent of them, Emma, are foreign owned.
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Speaker 2: I mean, do you think residents understand what's headed your way?
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Speaker 3: Oh, we definitely understand that.
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Speaker 13: It's causing a lot of anger and a lot of
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Speaker 13: distress in the community.
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Speaker 2: So how they trying to sell it to you? What's
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Speaker 2: the spin you're getting from these execs.
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Speaker 13: Well, there's certainly a degree of moral superiority. They claim
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Speaker 13: it's environmental and they're trying to save the world. And
40:13
Speaker 13: we were even asked if we want to keep the
40:16
Speaker 13: lights on, which is really condescending. It really was quite
40:21
Speaker 13: a disgusting display last week of arrogance and entitlement to
40:25
Speaker 13: the point.
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Speaker 6: Where they actually they actually just stopped.
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Speaker 3: Trying to sell it to us.
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Speaker 13: They just told us it's a state significant project. We
40:33
Speaker 13: have a license to do this from the very top,
40:36
Speaker 13: and we're here and we're charging ahead in the face
40:39
Speaker 13: of overwhelming community opposition.
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Speaker 2: I make the point too, you know this is all
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Speaker 2: under the twenty thirty targets. By the end of the
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Speaker 2: year we should see the twenty thirty five targets. They
40:52
Speaker 2: pick up transport in a big way, and they absolutely
40:55
Speaker 2: go after agriculture. So this is just the tip of
40:59
Speaker 2: what's headed your way on that zero. Do you think
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Speaker 2: you're hearing enough from the politicians in Canberra about consultation with.
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Speaker 3: Communities, Oh, definitely not.
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Speaker 6: I mean we are collateral damage farmers, and that's a
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Speaker 6: fact where our community, like so many others, is being
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Speaker 6: exploited by multinational, billion dollar corporations and none of it
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Speaker 6: is about saving the world or clean energy.
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Speaker 13: It's about making money. And if it didn't make money,
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Speaker 13: these developers wouldn't do it. Rural communities with easy targets.
41:34
Speaker 13: We don't have a powerful voice. We certainly don't have
41:37
Speaker 13: the numbers in terms of votes. So there is a
41:40
Speaker 13: massive power imbalance here that is being taken advantage of.
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Speaker 2: All Right, my viewers are behind you, because I get
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Speaker 2: emails about this stuff every single day, and these are
41:50
Speaker 2: people who live in the cities.
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Speaker 3: Where can they.
41:53
Speaker 2: Go to support your group? We've got something there up
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Speaker 2: on the website now. But more strength to your arm.
41:59
Speaker 2: When's your next men? Anyone genext fight with the regulators.
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Speaker 13: Well, that remains to be seen at the moment. The
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Speaker 13: fight with the developers is it's behind closed doors, and
42:11
Speaker 13: that's part of the problem. So they pick and divide,
42:15
Speaker 13: they pit neighbor against neighbor, and they have one on
42:17
Speaker 13: one meetings, and that's a really big part of the
42:20
Speaker 13: problem here is that there's just no transparency and no
42:26
Speaker 13: regard obviously for the people who live here. But in
42:29
Speaker 13: terms of taking it to the developers will continue to
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Speaker 13: fight this.
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Speaker 3: We love this place.
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Speaker 13: This is my family's home, this is my children's future.
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Speaker 13: Three generations of blood, sweat and tears have gone into
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Speaker 13: this country. These are generational communities, generational farms, and we
42:49
Speaker 13: all have a deep connection with the land. It's why
42:52
Speaker 13: we do what we do. We work every day, Farmers
42:55
Speaker 13: work every day in very difficult circumstances, and we invest
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Speaker 13: so much of ourselves into the land. So we'll keep fighting,
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Speaker 13: and we'll continue to feed and clothe this country and
43:08
Speaker 13: we will not give up.
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Speaker 3: My god.
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Speaker 2: Emma, a friend of mining in common with you, and
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Speaker 2: I've never met you before tonight said you're firing. You're passionate,
43:18
Speaker 2: and you're very articulate.
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Speaker 3: So they're lucky to have you. Keep up the fight.
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Speaker 2: If we can't get this one, we're going to get
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Speaker 2: you in the parliament. Emma web thank you. Please help
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Speaker 2: out these people right across the country. There's a project
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Speaker 2: every week we've got to fight against all right after
43:33
Speaker 2: the break break this massive indigenous land rights termination. It's
43:37
Speaker 2: a whopping precedent right across the country. Welcome back, let's
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Speaker 2: get in my Monday night panel a liberal MP Mary
43:48
Speaker 2: Aldred and l ANDP Senator James mcgrat and welcome to
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Speaker 2: you both.
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Speaker 3: How about this one down in Victory? Well where else?
43:55
Speaker 3: Down in Victoria, of course is Victoria.
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Speaker 2: The Mornington Peninsula has rewritten the polar see this is
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Speaker 2: staff as though this is against the will of elected
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Speaker 2: counselors and residents. They've rewritten the policy in relation to
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Speaker 2: the Australian flag and they are limiting the display of
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Speaker 2: the Australian flag in places where they are not sure
44:13
Speaker 2: it's culturally safe.
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Speaker 3: James, I'll kick off with you.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is absolutely extraordinary.
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Speaker 3: This is bonkers.
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Speaker 1: Anyone who allows this to happen is a complete art
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Speaker 1: of bozo. I don't understand why anyone wants to live
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Speaker 1: in Victoria when your counsels are so absolutely crazy. Moved
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Speaker 1: to Queensland. Now, that flag, to me, it says freedom.
44:39
Speaker 1: It shouts freedom, it shrieks freedom. It is a flag
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Speaker 1: that makes sure that this country is safe for everybody,
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Speaker 1: regardless of their color, who they sleep with, anything. It
44:51
Speaker 1: is a safe flag. It is the Australian flag. It
44:53
Speaker 1: is the flag of freedom. These counselors and they've got
44:56
Speaker 1: to get a grip. Who allows these people to come
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Speaker 1: up with such absolute madness?
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Speaker 2: Well, these aren't the people we elect, unfortunately, a Mary,
45:06
Speaker 2: this is not far from you and your set of monash.
45:08
Speaker 2: And they say that the Comm's boss not an elected official.
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Speaker 2: The communications boss he gets or she gets the last word,
45:16
Speaker 2: and whether or not to put the flag on printed
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Speaker 2: material because quote diverse communities, including indigenous and intersex groups.
45:23
Speaker 3: Might find an offensive. I'll tell you what I mean.
45:25
Speaker 2: Every second day in Melbourne you see a pro Palestinian
45:29
Speaker 2: lobby marching down with the rainbow flag. I mean, take
45:34
Speaker 2: your gay rights to gaza and see how far you go.
45:36
Speaker 2: But they're worried about the Australian flag.
45:39
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a bit like Turkey's for Christmas, that one.
45:42
Speaker 5: But I've got to agree with James. I've got two
45:44
Speaker 5: issues with this. Number one is the primacy of the
45:47
Speaker 5: elected local government representatives and mayors come out today saying
45:51
Speaker 5: he vehemently disagrees with it and it's going to be
45:53
Speaker 5: pulled from the agenda. So it's massive overreach by a
45:57
Speaker 5: group of unelected officials. The other thing is one of
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Speaker 5: the best parts of my job and I'm still two
46:04
Speaker 5: months in.
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Speaker 3: As you know, Peter has just been the.
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Speaker 5: Number of clubs and schools that are requesting new Australian
46:12
Speaker 5: flags in my electorate.
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Speaker 3: I've been to.
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Speaker 5: Foster Primary School here in South Primary School on Friday,
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Speaker 5: Merbow North Bowls Club. They love the Australian flag, and
46:20
Speaker 5: we live in a time at the moment, I think
46:22
Speaker 5: in our country where there's lots to disagree on, but
46:25
Speaker 5: people see the Australian flag as a unifying thing that
46:28
Speaker 5: brings us together. And for all the other reasons that
46:31
Speaker 5: James is nominated as well.
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Speaker 2: Right, let's go to that Federal Court decision on Friday,
46:37
Speaker 2: James McGrath that determined three groups of Indigenous people can
46:40
Speaker 2: control access to parts of Western Victoria in a landmark
46:45
Speaker 2: native title decision.
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Speaker 3: Now, this is where it's interesting.
46:48
Speaker 2: It recognizes quote, exclusive rights over specific properties and this
46:54
Speaker 2: includes the rights of access.
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Speaker 3: There's going to be a lot of community concern.
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Speaker 2: Here and it's a big whack of Western Victoria.
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Speaker 1: This is of concern to the members of that community.
47:08
Speaker 1: And I actually hope that common sense would intervene here
47:12
Speaker 1: because we've seen in other parts of Australia, in particular
47:15
Speaker 1: in Queensland, where members of the community have been excluded
47:20
Speaker 1: from going to the beach or going to swimming holes
47:23
Speaker 1: that have been going for generations. So this Federal Court
47:27
Speaker 1: decision should send shock waves across Australia because it's going
47:31
Speaker 1: to end up dividing Australians when we want Australians to
47:34
Speaker 1: come together, and we do not want one group of
47:37
Speaker 1: Australians saying to another group of Astraians you can't come here anymore,
47:40
Speaker 1: even though they've been going there for years. So I
47:42
Speaker 1: actually hope common sense would intervene. Clearly, you don't have
47:46
Speaker 1: too much common sense in the Federal Court sometimes, but
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Speaker 1: I hope that the groups on the ground and the
47:51
Speaker 1: people on the ground sit down and work out an
47:54
Speaker 1: adult arrangement here.
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Speaker 3: Just quickly.
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Speaker 2: The woman who ran Dan andrew office for seven years,
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Speaker 2: she's given a public interview.
48:02
Speaker 3: Her first.
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Speaker 2: This was with a labor insider, pretty blunt assessment of
48:07
Speaker 2: the Albanezer government. She said it did not have enough
48:10
Speaker 2: of an agenda in the first term and she can't
48:13
Speaker 2: say a nice thing.
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Speaker 3: At all about the labor government in Victoria. Mary.
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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised here, but pretty telling from Lizzie Radcliffe.
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Speaker 3: Very interesting.
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Speaker 5: This is someone who I would describe in her approach
48:26
Speaker 5: on communications as cautious and always courteous, and so this
48:31
Speaker 5: is a pretty bold thing that she's come out to say.
48:35
Speaker 5: Say what you like about Dan Andrews and his government
48:39
Speaker 5: and Peter. As you know, I had plenty to say
48:41
Speaker 5: when I was at Committee for Gipsland and the Franchise
48:43
Speaker 5: Council because of the constitutions of that government, but you
48:48
Speaker 5: always knew what Dan Andrews stood for. This government federally
48:52
Speaker 5: has no legislative agenda. They are here treading water and
48:56
Speaker 5: not addressing the day to day concerns of Australians who
48:59
Speaker 5: are really struggling.
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Speaker 3: Right now, I got to jump in there.
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Speaker 2: Mary, We're out of time, but all very best for
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Speaker 2: your first week in the Big House.
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Speaker 3: James, as always, see you next week. That's it for me.
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